Wings Over Scotland

Meanwhile the BBC south of the border ran with it as their No1 headline at 6pm and not so much of a peep about the even bigger scandal of English authorities, yet again, being suspected of dodgy dealings. The report, which was said to be complete, into child grooming rings across England has disappeared, apparently.
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In other news: Indyposterboy has changed the layout of his site and added some new material: link to indyposterboy.scot

Its just a pity that some sharp, on-the-ball, quick witted, wide boys couldnt have been warning people about the SNP before now. With some advanced warning the hyper faithful political sheep would have been more alert. Oh yeah, that did happen. The sheep just called them yoons and MI5 stooges and dismissed absolutely every warning and observation out of hand.

Mackay needs to resign from SNP immediately and look at his conscience regarding continuing as an MSP.

This has taken the heat of Lady Ruth Davidson’s dual mandate when a few months ago she game up to spend more time with her new family. Explain how she will do this?

Meanwhile I see BBC Sportscene has banished Michael Stewart for speaking his mind about Rangers cosy PR with sections of the press. On Air BBC said oh JumTraynor isn’t here to defend himself. The same idea of balance doesn’t apply to their London
centric journalists who allow the SNP / Scot Gov to be defamed and misrepresented without any rebuke or reply.

@sassenach 6.52 pm

Peffers was an abusive and arrogant blawhard. Not everyone misses him. He took up far too much space BTL and flew off the handle at anyone who didn’t take his pronouncements at face value. He provided no references and made many mistakes which were never acknowledged when pointed out to him. Only someone ignorant of Scottish history would be impressed by his unverified and repetitive rants.

Your sound very familiar – much like a poster ‘Cubby’ who used to go on about Britnats here. They badmouth this site continually over on WGD where they post sycophantic rubbish day in day out along with Poison Petra and her 10 000 links a day and Flat Earth Ken2. Between the 3 of them they make BTL WGD unreadable.

One thing this site doesn’t do is kowtow to an SNP in lock down and disarray. Away back to WGD for a cuddle and a wee cup of sweet tea.

Joe,

Your slavers are showing.Is your shift not nearly over?

Independence is more important to Scotland than the wrongdoing of some of its supporters.

It’d certainly be ironic if the SNP blew up entirely just as the polls began consistently showing Yes over 50%. I think that would be the classic Scottish snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

@RobertTheTruth

You do a fine job yourself of making this site unreadable Rodney you total plonker hahahaha

Stu Campbell

Judicial review seeking declarator at Court Of Session Outer House:

UK Parliamentary sovereignty is not in accordance with Scots Law as the people of Scotland are sovereign in Scots Law?

@sassenach at 6:52 pm

You have to accept that time moves on, just like politics. People come and go for various reasons such as ill health or death, differences of opinion, or simply attrition through burnout or frustration.
I lurked for a years before I started posting and learnt a great deal from the huge array of articles and diverse btl commentary.
Presume you are aware your post could be construed by folk that still post here as a kick in the baws / fanny because you don’t like what they say, or the style they say it in, or you’d simply hark back to the good old days.

People make this place what it is, warts and all, so play the ball, not the man / woman / non-binary individual / or whatever other coagulation of stardust some entity wants to call themselves.
Graf Midgehunter asked about the other site last night and I felt awkward answering the question because what I said may have been misconstrued or deemed inaccurate by the parties involved.
But I answered nevertheless, others could chip in if I was wildly off the mark.

In the lead up to the “exodus” pressure was clearly building due to governmental can kicking in both Kingdoms, and uncertainty about “brexit” day and whether we would actually be leaving the EU against our will or not.
Passionate people express their views and it escalated to the point a few gaskets were blown.

We have more clarity now though, and with that I’d hope a conciliatory hand could be offered by all the folk involved to one another which would facilitate a regroup if they are willing and able to accept or acknowledge the circumstances, many of which were out of our control, had a significant factor in the emotive way people acted.

But then again, what the fuck would I know…other than TR7s are shit.

@Dan 12:45pm

Ha! A challenge right enough. I got interested enough to have another look at the TD7 engine (and its resultant grief) I note that the TWOA (Wedgies) in the USA have a custom jig guaranteed to get a head off a doddle.. hmm the phrase ‘Aye, right’ springs to mind, though the Yanks seem to make the plans available to other clubs.

Anyway, yes you’re right about a few politicians, there are at least a couple of ex civil engineers on the books too. I don’t think its necessarily a biased vetting outcome which skews the political bias, so much as self-selection.

As my various careers have mostly been technical to a fair level, I’ve ways been asked why I didn’t move into a management role. My response was usually ‘Jeezus no, the utter shite I’d have to listen to and be party to – I’d rather gouge my own eyeballs out’
I’ve had to sadly give the same response to those asking why I don’t go into politics (List MSP is hardly a high bar) Though, I will not decry all politicians as being useless fuckwits…

For many people, It’s probably just not in the genes – So, it’s no surprise really that politics (or just being in a doughnut meeting with their ilk) is anathema to those who probably should be there. Or maybe we should mimic the Athenians – you’re press-ganged out your trade, whether you like it or not!
Instead today, we make do with the bizarre concept of appointing and shuffling political cabinets; on the principle of ‘If you can manage one department, you can manage any department’.
Here’s your new manager – boing! they’re gone, here’s another – with just enough grasp of the ‘Janet & John’ to wing it for their brief tenure.
So anyway, I shed no tears over Mackay – there’ll be another along in a minute – boing! ta-daa!

Joe I would be interested to know how closely you and Stu Campbell really agree.

My belief is Scotland is as good as other nations of its size,many without Scotland’s people and natural resources.

I do not beat myself up over some bad eggs who pretend to share my hopes for Scotland’s future.

All this sleaze shite with DM and AS,though not/perhaps not illegal is probably a good reason for NS not to be calling a referendum at the moment.

Add the corona/hiv bio-weopon potential chaos and an indyref campaign could look like a sideshow farce.

Maybe best to let the waters settle.

Maybe NS isn’t so daft/over cautious.

Dan says:

Dan, Ever tried to take the engine out of a Stag. Jesus Christ. Still remember the buggering about.
And a Rover SD1 headlight, I remember I had to give it a by. And it was only to replace a lamp, I think.

What a panel on QT tonight!
5 Remainers and 4 leftists.
Not even an SNP.
Maybe they’re busy looking after the kids!

Question.

If the persistent sex scandals of the Conservative Party did not prevent them getting a huge majority

Why the view that Mackay’s legal creepiness will damage the electorability of the SNP in general and the cause of independence in particular.

Surely its not being suggested that the English electorate are more pervy than the Scots!

Now BBC paper review on Derek Mackay again attacking SNP “lots of scandals” without any counter argument.

Turn that fecking Beethoven down!

link to archive.is

From this last August.

link to twitter.com

To this today.

link to twitter.com

Hoots Mon! There’s a Ruth loose aboot this hoose (o’ lairds)

The Daily Record missed out on the Mackay Main Course.

But are happy to settle for the Mackay Pudding.

‘Got any naughty pics?’ Derek MacKay bombarded married SNP activist with messages for years

link to archive.is

Col Blimp IV @ 1.10
Is this the “salty” way of expressing yer self ?
Not a good look Col!
I expect Scots to use profanity to an ” intellectual bitch slap effect ” not a Westminster fantasy punishment…
Raise the bar a bit wull ye!

Much as it pains me to say it Mackay’s indiscretions reflect an SNP hierarchy that is obsessed with gay, lesbian, bi and trans issues.

The rights of minorities with minority sexual proclivities are the focus of the current SNP leadership.Gender recognition being one particular example.

Mackay has done nothing illegal and an older man wanting to befriend a younger man is not necessarily malign. Maybe Mackay misses his children of a similar age because of him leaving them when he left his wife.

One thing for sure, it’s a rip roaring media story timed to perfection just as Mackay was going to launch the budget. But who fed the media the story, how did they get all the texts…….the security services whose technologies spy and record everyone’s digital existence.

And Salmond, ten years after he allegedly leered at a woman, whilst making a comment against another Police Scotland spend £8 million investigating. Expect more of the same as independence support claims beyond the latest 52%.

Mackay May have been stupid but the security services are not. The war to destroy the independence movement is very real.

Came across this link possibly appropriate but I’ll leave it to individual thoughts

link to commonspace.scot

You are absolutely right Liz, no amount of perversion, criminality, or incompetence from our politicians should diminish the desire for self government … these are the things that politicians are famous for the whole world over.

I think the public at large became weary of the Scottish Press’ sacred quest to find bigger and better reasons for us to feel “ashamed of being Scottish” some years ago.

But I do believe that being in the vanguard of the independence movement carries with it an obligation to strive to remain beyond reproach and be constantly vigilant of the nefarious efforts the Britists will make to tarnish the image and reputation of those who fly the flag.

Forgetting some of the more lurid stuff from yesterday, is there any real indication of where the SNP will get the support from to actually pass the budget? Are we still expecting ultimately some money will be found to get the Greens on board, even if they are making unhappy noises at the moment?

Sarah Smith true to form couldn’t resist reiterating in detail for the nth time details of the charges against Eck.

Given the number of times we have been reminded of the charges how can any possible jurors not be pre-prejudiced meaning that a fair trial is impossible.

I have thought for ages that the strategy of the Guys In the Black Hats is for the charges to be dropped due to the impossibility of a fair trial but leaving the mud succsesfully thrown and stuck.

Its all fun and games just now for people to believe the SNP will not do something against our interests even when they say they will do it…im just trying to avoid the same thing happening with the EU. Because i was and am right about Sturgeon and the SNP and im totally fucking bang on when it comes to the EU despite how ugly a thought that might be for the majority to want to consider

Civil war begins with the administration in control implementing personal attacks to destabilise opposition leaders
That is what Scotland has been experiencing since 2014

One after another
Leaders in the SNP and the greens I might add, have been attacked with personal persecution much of which caused great damage to reputation leading to resignation but was many months later proven to be founded on not much mor than exaggerated newspaper tittle tattle.

Expect much worse to come

So far it’s just politicians

Unions , business and individuals will also be targeted if they support independence

Check your personal information watch for signs of interference

For those speculating about the black arts involvement in the Mackay debacle

IF

and obviously THAT’S A BIG FECKING ‘IF’

the Scottish Sun’s political editor is to be believed

the boy’s mother only found out about the messages a few days ago

And her natural reaction seems to have been

I’m going to The Sun with this

As any mother would!

Is chequebook journalism still a thing these days?

Asking for a mother I know.

link to bbc.co.uk

(not archived – for those who want to hear the excerpt)

Graeme, how is that related to what I just said?

Almond chutney….

Just like others who criticise the SNP approach

You do not know what the SNP approach is

Only those in the cabinet inner circle of the SNP know their plan

People like yourself guessing , using second hand opinion

The SNP have been doing this a long long time

Thy know better than anyone what they are up against

The propoganda machine in the U.K. is the most effective in the world with free reign to do what it pleases every day we see unfounded accusations that use the free press ethos to tell lies and once the damage is done they retract with little or no penalty for the damage caused

Well Craig Murray’s your mole was spot on the SNP are not holding a Spring conference, but instead moving it to the Summer.

Party activists, grsssroots movements, and senior members are furious about this, they feel the Murrells are pushing a indyref into the long grass, and that they’re taking the heat out of a backlash that’s coming their way over the inept way they dealt with our great opportunity to hold one during the Brexit fiasco.

link to thenational.scot

@mike cassidy
The sniffer hound unionist press is all the more reason for those living in the SNP glasshouse to be discrete and circumspect.
Curiously the same hounds spent many hours searching for dirt on Salmond and claim to have found nothing, until the current set of allegations turned up.
Politicians cannot count on having a private life, as Johnson found out when the spat with his girl friend was reported by a politically unsympathetic neighbour to the press as an abusive fight.
Mackay’s behaviour, although not strictly illegal, was rash in the extreme given his government office and the public view of grooming.

terence callachan says:
7 February, 2020 at 9:38 am
Almond chutney….

Just like others who criticise the SNP approach

You do not know what the SNP approach is
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Is it not a fair comment to make, seeing as Wings and it’s administration actively criticize the SNP on a daily basis?

Apart from nominating Colonel Ruth (I love the rape clause) Davidson for a peerage. Boris Johnson has also nominated Peter Cruddas for one as well.

Cruddas has donated over £3.5 million pounds to the Tory party, and £1.5 million pounds to the vote leave campaign which he founded.

Johnson is rewarding his buddies and obedient lackeys and the taxpayers will pick up the bills.

Almond chutney….

Maybe not fair comment

But perfectly true

Why isn’t Scotland independent?

Scotland were a part of 2 unions. The EU and the UK. There have been a vote over both (independently) and a significant majority choose EU.

If these two split a choice had to be one or the other (or neither of them).

When these two split it is quite absurd to treat as a given that Scotland had to go with UK, and to assess independence from UK later or even at all.

Staying with EU instead were within the mandates (plural), and respecting the votes of the Scottish people.

The Scottish parliament should have been gathered when the Brexit vote came in, and then declare respect for the vote of the Scottish people.

Mike d…

Sound decision

Me too

When you know your beliefs and your people are under attack

“If You Want To Go Fast, Go Alone. If You Want To Go Far, Go Together.” – African Proverb

@Dave Hansell

Well said and thanks for the link (couldn’t agree more).

Dave Hansell 10.21

Essential read.

Especially for those who hoped the gender issue was going to go away.

Mackay brought down by a furious Scottish mum

The first of many about to blow up their sense of entitlement.

And the SNP’s opponents more than happy to let them vent their fury.

@ Almond Chutney.

Scotland has already made the choice of whether or not it wishes to be in the EU, and with the numbers in favour growing, now around 73% that’s not likely to change. As far as your list of what I assume you consider negative aspects of membership, who knows, and its why in the 2014 referendum the SG stated clearly that the negotiated deal would be put to the electorate to approve or not. The other deal we would be voting is the settlement with Westminster, which is one of the reasons Westminster hasn’t a hope in hell of parking their nukes in an Independent Scotland. The upside of to negotiating a new membership, is that we get to decide on our priorities, not westminsters, so the crap farming subsidies we currently have, negotiated by westminster, can be revisited, fishing is another. Whatever the deal, that will for us to decide. Sounds good to me.

Ignore ‘I’m sorry but no, that’s bullshit. Scotlan’

Was meant to be part of the third paragraph, but wanted to alter my tone, without deleting my draft oops..

Terrance callachan 10:54

Which bit of:

“The point made here is of course the existence of a ticking time bomb far wider than the indescretions of a few individual politicians simply because it is not about individuals it’s about wider systemic issues.”

suggests in any way, shape or form, that the issue is about individuals making mistakes?

The words are the words. And the words clearly say “wider than a few individual indescresions” and “it’s not about individuals it’s about wider systemic issues” as the link provided lays out in Janet and John terms.

I know high street stores are closing down at a rapid rate but I didn’t realise Specsavers had gone under.

@Dave Hansell, 10.21

Well said and thanks for the good link. The current focus on identity politics is one way of deflecting the electorate’s attention from issues which require real change like land reform or financial regulation.

@abulhaq

What’s wrong with being gay? You’ve posted a lot of comments referencing your disdain for it.

Republicofscotland wrote on 7 February, 2020 at 10:10 am
Gary Kelly whose been organising indy marches since 2014 needs your help, AUOB has launched a crowdfunder for him.

link to thenational.scot

In other news, six nations, Scotland up against England tomorrow.

Scotland, England already lost their first rounds vs. Ireland, France respectively.

Wales KILLED it against Italy, will go up against Ireland tomorrow with France vs. Italy on Sunday.

Odds will be on Wales, will be a draconian league this year 😉

Chris Grey’s Brexit Blog is still delivering the goods, link to archive.is

tldr; Brexiters need to stop campaigning and start governing.

My take is that the brains that delivered Brexit can’t and probably won’t want to do the governing part. Instead they see themselves as cheerleaders and it’s going to be up to the rest of the UK to make it work. This new, USA style of endless campaigning is also handy as when it all starts to go horribly wrong they will have someone else to blame for the mess: “See we delivered Brexit, it’s not our fault that you cannot adjust to our new globally, competitive way of doing things”.

The blog post was also interesting in that it had the word “Scotland” it in – first time I can recall seeing it in a long time.

Almond chutney 13:27
Other than Scottish politics does seem to have veritable swarms of them….nothing.
In my home culture such an orientation is something you do not ‘parade’.
And such discretion is respected.
Surely it’s a personal, intimate matter of no general concern or interest?

Abulhaq says:
7 February, 2020 at 2:07 pm

Are you baiting me to comment on what ‘your home culture’ entails and perceive me as a racist, may I ask?

Because the culture on the island of Great Britain is a lot more tolerant, and to ‘parade’ that being different is OK is perfectly acceptable. I admit that the level of flaunting is indeed high, but I really don’t see the reason to be pissed off about it, unless you are dead set against it.

@Liz g

Not the context I had intended at all, I didn’t reference anything about freedom to leave.

Of course freedom to leave is essentially fundamental, I’m not saying that but it seems that intention of leaving upon joining is very low in the books anyway.

Sovereignty would indeed be achieved through indy, but is that sovereign at its max when policies are set higher than your own government? Westminster/Brussels, different name, same old shit in regards to control. But you are right in regards to the right to leave… Unless you’re in the rUK and is perceived to be ‘punished’ by the EU for leaving – demanding EU regulation alignment and access to fishing waters, as a few examples in return for being independent from the bloc, or at least with a sensible trade agreement.

The whole argument is that the UK wants to pursue a Canada style trade agreement, but tell me, do the EU demand access to Canadian waters, or expect Canada to align themselves to EU regulations? It’s all seems very bureaucratic.

Colin Alexander….stop being such a twit

@Colin Alexander

Maybe the SNP did jump too soon. I remember a few news articles from 2014 where the SNP merely considered a second indy ref fresh from the remains of the first vote, before the whole EU fiasco..

Maybe if they just sat up, shut up and waited for the shit to unfold and preventing England from leaving the EU, that would have gained more support and look less like dogs chewing the feet of a tory government.

David hansell…..all of it

Ticking time bomb , don’t be silly

Colin Alexander….I think it is sensible to delay the SNP conference and allow the replacement for Mr Mackay some time to prepare .

It is sensible to let the dust settle on the Mackay resignation
And it is sensible to see what the outcome and aftermath of Alex Salmonds court case is.

Nothing more
Nothing less

Good organisation in difficult circumstances

terence callachan

Care to explain the above “twit” comment?

The Scot Govt is a puppet govt.

The situation is comparable between the political relationship between Romania and the Soviet Empire and Scotland with the British Empire.

Bojo didn’t block indyref2; he only refused a s30. It’s Sturgeon who has effectively blocked it.

Colin Alexander
Then that’s low Colin and incredibly disrespectful to their victims…. How could ye?….

Almond Chutney…
Read it again….. My focus was on the ability to leave not the intention….. You agree that we’d get lot’s of good stuff for keeping fishing as it is though… Eh ??

Why can’t you pretend you live here, instead of pretending you live in Wales?

Stupida fackin game.

Terence Callachan

Salmond isn’t even in the SNP and like anyone else charged with a crime, is presumed innocent, and is entitled to a fair trial.

As for MacKay, as far as I know, MacKay hasn’t done anything illegal. He’s behaved sleazy and so resigned his ministerial position.

Sturgeon as leader has lost the trust of a large section of the SNP grassroots. I believe that’s why conference is cancelled.

She has failed to stop Scotland being dragged out of the EU; failed to lead or make progress on independence, which are the biggest issues; so she should hand the baton over to someone else.

Not defending Derek Mackay in any way the mans an idiot and deserves everything he get out of this.

However reading the British media, I couldn’t help noticing the thrashing that Mackay has taken (and rightly so) but on the otherhand the same media gives Prince Andrew, who was a close friend of sex trafficker and sexual predator Jefferey Epstein.

A gentle ride over his “defers” Royal navy Vice-admiral position.

You’re playing the game really badly, almond. Just trying to be helpful, that’s all.

RepublicofScotland
McKay is not an idiot.
He is an evil, sexual predator preying on a schoolboy.
Obviously, you are not a parent.
Andrew, if any of the girls he slept with were groomed or underage is equally as bad and deserves everything that might come to him. I understand the US prosecutor will do everything to get him.
Stop making excuses for evil people.

Colin Alexander
Then find another allegory

@ Lez b

*Analogy.

Pete …you say a schoolboy ,
Isn’t the boy sixteen ?
You can get married in Scotland at 16
You can have a baby at 16 and be treated as the responsible adult for that baby
You can vote in Scotland at 16

Yes indeed you can do all these things as a schoolboy / schoolgirl

That’s it then guys we should all give up on independence because Mr Chutney the English Welshman likes to holiday at Loch Rannoch once a year.

Terence Callachan

As conference is cancelled it prevents the numbers of dissenting delegates being counted.

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In an effort to focus on gaining Scottish Independence, might I suggest we, here in Scotland, are being “gamed”?

Thee are the 77th Brigade operatives who no doubt do their OODA Loop thing on WoS.

There WILL be those string pullers who, akin to a crossover episode of Borgen/House of Cards/Still Game, manipulate the SNP to the point where we now have the de facto McWoke 5th Column causing havoc at ALL levels of the SNP.

Until Alex Salmond returns as Leader, or Joanna Cherry becomes the new Leader of the SNP, it might be helpful to stop navel gazing and look abroad for a political square-go.

May I draw everyone’s attention to the London Puppet master supremo, Dominic Cummings. Even the Tories have acidic comments about this destroyer of UK institutions who occupies the number two spot in the Tory Party.

Cummings owns the Svengali position in Boris Johnson’s inner circle because he won the election for them. Cummings has the same access to levers of power that Alistair Campbell had in his similarly unelected tenure alongside former PM Tony Blair.

Scotland is barely on London’s radar. Just now the Tory MPs are incontinent with ambition, seeking to climb the greasy political pole in an imminent reshuffle.

Dominic Cummings will have a role in whom Boris appoints to serve at his pleasure.

So it might be worthwhile, for those, like me, who truly believe we are better to make our own political decisions in Holyrood than continue under the Scottish Raj and Governor General Alistair Jack, to start working PROACTIVELY to find a way out of this frucking mess.

Stuart Campbell has heroically highlighted the McWoke problem of entryism taking over the SNP.

Whilst Derek Mackay has actually done the SNP a favour. Yes, incredibly he has. Mackay proves that the current SNP high command are NOT fit for purpose. Today’s report in The National that SNP Spring Conference is effectively cancelled TRYS to put the tin lid on any grass root rebellion/effort to get IndyRef2 onto the agenda and FORCE the English Gold takers at Bute House to call IndyRef2.

Given we are outnumbered 10-to-1 by England, we have to be smarter than the English Westminster overlords.

In a bizarre dichotomy, the enemy of my enemy is my friend etc., it might make for some interesting reading to study Dominic Cummings strange website and how he is causing havoc in the Westminster Civil service.

Am not wanting to go all CameronB and stuff my view of world academia down the throats of readers here (Cameron, I know you mean well, but less is more).

We are all capable of working Google and conducting our own research.

It would do us well to learn more about the forthcoming political implosion of middle England politics and the Westminster Civil Service in crisis under Boris and his feral, ruthless pet psycho. Perhaps have a swatch at this…

link to archive.is

Colin Alexander …you might be right
Dissent will show at the conference in the summer if people are unhappy
It’s a long journey
No rush

Al-Stuart….they have a never ending conveyer belt of nutters down there in Westminster

When you support a cause
Especially one as far reaching as Scottish independence

You will never find yourself blessed with perfectly behaved agreeable personalities throughout

All large organisations have this issue

The answer to this is

Support Scottish independence
Support your leaders
They will have differing views on many things

But supporting the cause means supporting the leaders

Til the next leader comes along

Continuity is key

WE ARE STRONGER TOGETHER

Votes for 16 year olds is based on intelligence quotient legal age of consent and the possibility of being a taxpayer, not knowledge of the political system or many people of all ages would be denied the vote, 21 year olds and above are no more able to improve their intelligence than any age, over time people may increase knowledge but not intelligence

If found guilty of a criminal offence in Scotland under the age of 18 you may be sent to young offenders prison or secure care depending on the severity of the crime

Welsh Sion , if you are about ,best of luck to-morrow I am rooting for Wee Wales!

I just watched a lovely piece sent by Yes Cymru of Caroline Hitt’s take on independence – thank you to Yes Cymru for sending it on.

As to the “problematic pronouns” so celebrated in the SJW anglophone culture…

I resent SJW English-speakers, forcing their gendered ideas on me and my language and culture.

My language has two forms of third 3rd person singular pronoun. Humans, male and female, are “hän” – no sex differentiation. Non-humans (animals, objects) are “se” (supposedly equivalent to English “it”). Except in everyday speech, humans are also “se”.

We have a fairly non-gendered language /and culture, and English-speaking social justice warriors are trying to twist our language to suit their agenda.

That’s cultural imperialim.

@Almond Chutney, 7 February, 2020 at 10:41 am

The ONLY problem with that, is there is no guarantee for Scotland to automatically rejoin the EU, nor remain as it would ‘legally’ be a new state and would have to apply like any other.

I agree that there isn’t a guarantee. Though I’m not sure that the opposite is a given either.
If a member in EU splits, would each part be automatically thrown out? That might cause problems for the EU.
Would one automatically stay in and the other out?

There is not a lot of precedent, so it might be down to what the EU chooses between the offers made to it. Would it matter if independence from Westminster were gained before, at, or after Brexit?

Several times in earlier threads the claim have been made that Scotland would be out and England in if the UK splits.

If that is true, it makes SNPs remain effort even more peculiar!

… returning to [EU] would mean some big changes and a lot more policies in regards to ‘new’ trade, currency and accepting Schengen
Depends. Mainly on negotiations, and what role Scotland would choose as a bridge between EU and England. It would lessen the harm of Brexit a lot for EU and England, as the perfect go-between. And it would provide wealth to Scotland. Perhaps most as an independent nation.

@Almond Chutney & @Golfnut
Good arguments regarding the EU vote.

rUK
Does it really exist if the union ends? IMHO it doesn’t.

(Thanks Stu Campbell for the sanity and knowledge you have provided, it is appreciated more than you know.)

Just looked it up. Osprey Arena at Aviemore Centre (the biggest one) is only 1000 square metres, normal conference format is 650 people. Fire Capacity is 1100 but presumably that’s not all seated and before you get in TV cameras etc. But even assuming they are going to jiggle 1,000 capacity somehow, after you get in your MP’s, MSP’s, their staff, tv crews, party HQ staff and media, how many ordinary folk is that?

Good Bye wings its been a blast.

By the sounds if this an antidote for the Coronavirus is close, as US man is given an Ebola drug when he had the Coronavirus, he later left hospital.

Big pharma will make a fortune from any antidote. The cynic in me tells me that this and similar outbreaks over the decades, had a little help in materialising.

link to livescience.com

Terrance Callaghan 2:53

I take it English is not your first language.

Unless of course you are being deliberately obtuse.

There is certainly no way any reasonably intelligent individual could interpret a sentence which says this is not about individuals but about systemic issues, as detailed in the link, as meaning the exact opposite.

If I were you I get down to the late night chemists for a tube a gorm because you are clearly lacking in it.

But seeing as I like you today, because I might not like you tomorrow here’s a,few links about that ticking time bomb not just in the political partys like the SNP and the Labour Party but beyond:

Tick

link to oxfordmail.co.uk

Tock

link to archive.is

Tick

link to unherd.com

Tock

link to gofundme.com

Tick

link to womansplaceuk.org

Tock

link to feministcurrent.com

Tick

link to blogs.spectator.co.uk

Tock

link to off-guardian.org

Tick

link to thecritic.co.uk

And as bonus, you might want to up your game and join the rest of the grown ups in terms of actually substantiating your arguments beyond the Karl Rove gambit of saying something is so because you say it is so.

That kind of approach might impress the wannabe post modernist Hipsters but here in the reality based Community, which contains millions of registered voters, it’s just not going to fly.

I have not discovered one country in modern times that became independent simply by counting the number of bits of paper in a metal box.
There was usually something else going on that precipitated it.
Whether public demonstrations, acts of civil disobedience, boycotts etc the case was made to the ruling caste that the people were serious in their intent.
Such provocation would inevitably led to errors of judgment on the part of the authorities.
If the SNP doesn’t shape up the people must.
The djinn is out of the bottle.

Dr Jim

Ireland had a Parliament that voted for independence following an election where an independence mandate was sought and won.

It was then shut down by the UK state.

I’ve no doubt the Murrells are aware of Ireland’s history and that is part of the reason why they bend the knee, to protect their own position as British Empire colonial administrators.