Wings Over Scotland

It won’t just be ‘trade’ negotiations being discussed after the UK leaves all of its EU treaties (and other treaties).

UK and devolved governments have spent two years drafting legislation to incorporate EU law into UK (and English), Scots (pending a Supreme Court decision, and Welsh law (Yes, Wales has its own EU Continuity Act).

It would need a change to the constitution of the UK, or another vote on independence, but this scenario makes it easier for Scotland to apply to rejoin the EU under Article 50, part 5.

Did anyone catch Theresa May saying the vote would be held on 27th Nov? That is the date the EU Court of justice was due to hear the case on article 50 and the possibility of revoking it.

This is what we can look forward to ……. fracking ……. if we don’t get out of this so-called Union.

link to thoughtcontrolscotland.com

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The National: ‘New study reveals surge in independence support among young women’.

link to thenational.scot

Ken500 @ 10.31.

My Great gandfathers & both grandfathers attended 1358 giving me some limited knowledge.

Firstly Free Masons are NOT a secret society, there are plenty books to read on the subject.
They are a Society Of Secrets.
Catholics are banned by the Pope from attending see Wiki.
A persons religion takes no part in selection/aceeptance.
My understanding is that the main criteria is to be of a nature that would not bring the “craft into disrepute”

Google Grand Lodge, home page & scroll down to Freemasonry and Religion it clearly states their position is neutral, likewise on Politics. Both are clearly for the individual. They do not discriminate between any of the things you mention.

I have no knowledge on the female side except that they have the equivalent & Eastern Star etc

Its not for me to defend them, but I feel your post DOES NOT reflect reality.
My understanding is that they do a lot of other charitable stuff too.

Sandy @ 3.07

I agree Sandy and I bet there will be Masons who are Wingers and deserve to be represented in the true light. As far as I’m concerned they are welcome here, as they are in communities around Scotland.

Yes Bob Mack, I heard that too. TM waffled over that as usual.

When the SNP guy was speaking, all the MPs talked over him so you couldn’t hear. The speaker eventually told them to can it at the behest of gestures from the other SNP mps, but they soon started again and drowned him out. Silent of course to lister. To Bono and the rest. Disgraceful. I am so angry.

Boudicca , disgraceful? No. But expected yes. These scum have no respect for Scotland, its people, or its politicians. To them we are second class. Time now overdue to get rid of these fcuking vampires sucking our nations and our peoples lifeblood away.

And I thought we lived in a democracy. How wrong I was.

link to caltonjock.com

Mr Peffers @2.54

You are incorrect on atributing of Scottish exports via English ports, see link and extract from Scot gov below. GERS is quite clear in how these are attributed.

link to gov.scot

Are Scottish goods which are exported via ports from the rest of the UK counted as international Scottish exports?

Yes. The ESS publication measures the destination of goods exported from Scotland regardless of the port from which they leave the UK.

Jings.

link to uk.reuters.com;

O/T but a long, old thread so bear with me.

Seems England are 0-3 up at H/T in Spain. Cue premature ejaculations on-line ablaw the dyke re “Football’s coming home” (I shit you not).

However, I humbly submit:

link to heraldscotland.com

Ya bass…..

No one at Westminster gives a damn about what Nicola says, except the imponent SNP MPs who have achieved ZERO for Scotland.

Mark my words – Nicola is not going to call an independence referendum before Brexit has been completed and Scotland is at the mercy of Westminster.

Challenge to the clueless pompous armchair pundits posting here:

With the honourable exception of Hamish100, does a single one of you have the guts to go on the record and state that there will definitely be an independence referendum before Brexit has been completed?

Robert Peffers?

Liz g?

sassenach?

Dave McEwan Hill?

Cubby?

Petra?

Brian Doonthetoon?

Thought not.

Cowards.

Oh Rock

You are terrible Muriel!

Iain moor ar 8.34

Mr Peffers was referring to exports external to the uk, rather than internal to the uk. The treatment of external to the uk exports is quite clear in the Scot gov doc.

@Petra, 15 October 7.23pm

It’s not just the geology. It is also the disposal of the toxic water. The US has a big problem

link to nakedcapitalism.com

@self 8.36: forgot to archive.

Have applied bastinado to feet.

*Grovels*

@Gfaetheblock,

Then GERS should show the total of exports for oil and gas which is almost exclusively a product from Scotland. No ? Funny that.

Reluctant Nationalalis
We know where you’re coming from though, eh?

Reluctant Nationalalist
How would you approach protecting the interests of women and gender minorities from the likely harmful impacts of Brexit? Or is that too much of a wanky, intellectual, question for you. Are you sure this blog is your natural habitat?

We know where you are coming from bud.

Anti-feminism and anti-gender far right politics in Europe and beyond

The rise, over the last two decades, of the neo-nationalist, populist right is now a well-established fact across the political landscape. But the precise permutations taken and modes of organisation and affiliations on specific issues such as anti-LGBTQ rights, which many of these groups have pursued, is often less well-known. Two recent books, one by Bruno Perreau titled Queer Theory: The French Response (2016 Stanford) and the other edited by David Paternotte and Roman Kuhar titled Anti-Gender Campaigns in Europe, (Rowman and Littlefield 2017) make significant inroads in filling this gap, each of them focusing on Europe, and in particular on questions of sexuality and gender.

link to opendemocracy.net

Bob Mack
I’d sussed the prick months ago. 😉

Bob, I’m a fairly thick cunt, but I still managed to get into a decent uni at 17 y/o and ended up getting an MA in Psychology, so fuck off with the ‘inclination’ comment you wee hack. I’m fairly confident this…politically correct slug who merely regurgitates theory that happens to arouse his loins (for you can bet that there’s stuff out there that doesn’t), can’t teach me anything meaningful. Glad you like it, though.

He stinks the comment section up, but I don’t suppose that matters as Stuart clearly gave up on it a long time ago.

Some Psychologist. Studied human behaviour but can’t allow yourself to skip over what you don’t like? Remedial classes for you buddy.

Reading a few articles on the Herald there, not mcuh of interest really in the articles themselves but the comments below.

They are now as bad as the Scotsman, it only takes a handful of uber-yoons to get a grip and the end result is a disaster zone. That’s a pity, pre Indyref there was some fairly decent discourse could be had there between both groups of supporters but certainly not now despite the valiant efforts of a few who try to keep things reasonable.

The likely result is just like the Scotsman and all pro-independence arguments will disappear, and those people become even less likely to read the paper online. Can’t help but suspect that it’s all the work of the green ink brigade from SIU.

The crazy thing about though is that they are adding to the woes of both papers falling readership and engagement by those not really caught up in either side and ultimately the rabid ultra-yoons will destroy the papers that support them.

Ken500
Cheers Ken500, I can’t complain. Always try to. 😉

@RN: I tuned out long ago after the “Reluctant” bit in your handle.

Your willy-waggling bad language suggests you have no argument to lose.

I rarely understand Cameron B but I can be taught 😛

Guardian:

UK economy heading for worst year since crash, say economists.

Forecasting body blames growing risks of no-deal Brexit as it downgrades estimate

link to archive.is

@Thepnr says:
15 October, 2018 at 9:44 pm
Reading a few articles on the Herald there, not mcuh of interest really in the articles themselves but the comments below.

They are now as bad as the Scotsman, it only takes a handful of uber-yoons to get a grip and the end result is a disaster zone.

There was a time a good while back when regardless of the article, some good discourse was possible in the Herald. That was because the comments were properly moderated. It didn’t mean there was lots of pro-Indy, although there was some, but a variety of opinions were there and there were few outrageous ones. Even handed and fair, well relatively.

Then that stopped. Cut backs perhaps? Moderation now seems non existent in papers like the Scotsman and Herald and really vile stuff gets posted. Gave up on both and sounds from what you say that they aren’t attempting to fix it.

Reluctant Nationalist
He could sure as shit could teach you some manners!
But mibbi you should just stick to the Revs writing.. especially the bit about playing the ball and not the man.
I’d be happy to explain what that means and I’ll use wee words if You’re struggling?

@gfaetheblock
A brave try.

“ESS is designated as a National Statistics product”
Statistics Product, statistically, based on data, which is an estimate
“ESS is the only official source of Scottish exports which includes ESTIMATES for both goods and services.
ONS also recently produced EXPERIMENTAL statistics ESTIMATING international exports of services from Scotland, based on the existing UK ITIS publication. Their figures for Scotland were different from those produced in ESS due to differences in methodology and data sources”
IE: DIFFERENT GUESSES

“Are Scottish goods which are exported via ports from the rest of the UK counted as international Scottish exports?”
Yes. The ESS publication measures the destination of goods exported from Scotland regardless of the port from which they leave the UK”.

“For some companies operating in Scotland, their products are feeding into a global supply chain. For example, they may sell a good to a company in England who subsequently incorporate it into a product which is exported internationally. In such a situation, only the sale from the Scottish company to their customer in England would be counted as a Scottish export. It would be recorded as a Scottish export to the rest of the UK”

I think we already covered tje following however:
“While undoubtedly some exports to the rest of the UK will be re-exported, including as part of other products, it is not possible to say exactly what this proportion is”

Statistically, estimated, best guess, probably, under normal circumstamces, within the parameters we have arbitarily assigned based on things it is not possible to say…
zzzzzz rinse and repeat.

Trans ? Or personality disorder? Who knows or cares?

No more replies. You have become what you hate.

@stu mac

I reckon it’s beyond fixing and the comments would be as well to be shut down. Maybe in the not too distant future all newspapers will close comments. The Guardian already heading that way and as for the BBC. Well you know there view on allowing comments on Scottish stories, they don’t.

Maybe that’s the aim of the uber-yoons, to get comments shut down so as pro-indy voices don’t get heard. Who knows, but if it is then they’re too late. Our voices are being heard alright and in more important places than newspaper btl comments.

Masons are in a secret society. They meet is secret. Anyone can’t join. People are invited to join. They can Black ball who they like for any reason. Membership is not free and open to all. It is unequal. Women can’t join on equal status. They are racist, sexist, and bigoted,

They should not be allowed to stand as candidates. Candidates have to declare a declaration they are fit people to be representative, Honourable people who do not lie. They lie. They are not representational of the population because of their status of membership. They lie. They are part of a secret society,, unequal. People are not allowed to join. They black ball people without reason, Women don’t have equal status. They are racist and bigoted, Blsckballing people with no reason.

They support the British State to whom they give allegiance. The Royals. They are the Head. The order of the Garter.

If they want to support Independence. They are members in an Organisation that does not. An Organisation which is against Independence in any way, shape or form. People who support Independence are out of place in the Lodge. They are acting against own best interest and remaining in an association, which is actively totally against Independence.

@gfaetheblock,

Therefore the amount of whisky and the money paid for the infrastructure i.e. docking, transport admin ,to enable it’s export all gets attributed to Scotland? Amazing, English ports giving Scotland credit for their export business. What was I thinking?

NI/RoI Border

As I understand it, the EU offered NI the ability to stay in the CU and SM in exchange for customs checks in the Irish Sea and the DUP said NO.
Remember the DUP did not back the GFA either, so presumably they are not too fussed about a return to the troubles.

Is TM merely using this to get UK wide concessions from the EU?

I would think a move to offer a border poll would cause the DUP to fold and accept the EU’s offer.

If I were the EU I would publicly state that a Border poll may be required to move the negotiations along, then do nothing and agree to nothing and let the clock keep ticking. The pressure on the DUP and the Tories would keep ramping up.

“Reluctant Nationalist says:
15 October, 2018 at 10:00 pm

Fuckin scum.”

He “shall” be fucking scum. . . .

You can rely on the education, to remember punctuation.

Glasgow District Council and the poisoned legacy left by the in place long time, long self serving Labour party

link to caltonjock.com

Just ’cause I like to niggle, in a post-colonial, feminist standpoint, sort of way. 😉

Strands of Feminist Theory

Conclusion

In the 1970s, many feminists were concerned with developing theory which could help explain women’s oppression and which could indicate how that oppression could be challenged.
By the second half of the 1980s, many theorists had turned away from the search for over-arching explanations of women’s subordination and were analysing particular issues and problems.
Sometimes this analysis was aimed at policy-makers and/or activists but sometimes it was mainly intended for an academic audience.
Feminist research and publication expanded considerably, not least because of the development of Women’s Studies programmes.

Radical feminism has developed in a number of different directions in the UK since the 1970s. Within this broad strand, there has been more emphasis on differences between men and women and on celebrating the positive aspects of the values and characteristics traditionally associated with women. Some radical feminists have taken Black feminist criticism seriously and incorporated issues of racism, class oppresssion and imperialism into their analysis of patriarchy.

link to pers-www.wlv.ac.uk

Contrasting Debates and Perspectives from Second and Third Wave Feminists in Britain: Class, Work and Activism
link to uhra.herts.ac.uk

The Study of Populist Radical Right Parties: Towards a Fourth Wave

Abstract

Since the start of the third wave of populist radical right politics in postwar Europe in the early 1980s, more articles and books have been written on far right parties than on all other party families combined. What are the main insights about the populist radical right that these hundreds of articles and books have provided us and what should future studies of the populist radical right parties focus on? This article critically assesses the progress made in recent research by focusing on four key aspects: scope, data and method, causes, and consequences.

The main argument is that, although the scope of scholarship has finally moved beyond the usual suspects, meaning that more issues and parties are studied today, theoretical innovation, particularly with regard to explanations of the
electoral success of populist radical right parties, has been marginal since early 1990s. Moreover, studies of party effects remain limited in number and scope, focusing mainly on immigration policies. Today, we need research which more explicitly acknowledges and theorizes the diversity within the far right party family, and goes beyond the paradigm of the outsider-challenger party.

Keywords: far right, populism, parties, Europe, new research agenda

link to sv.uio.no

to be fair tho cam, it is spoiling my lurking, it’s a couple of page downs and then scroll backup and readjusting, much happier just scrolling through and absorbing, as normal

@Gfaetheblock,

I think you miss the point. Scottish businesses are paying directly or indirectly,English ports to export our goods because Scottish ports have been run down to the extent that they cannot do so.

Imagine that revenue was accrued here in Scotland instead of Hull or whatever. Even better, imagine how the hinterland around Scottish ports would develop, and all bringing economic benefits. Is that so strange?

ElGordo
I’m sorry mate, I just feel the quickening. 🙂

Iain mhor 😉

The actual alcohol duty would in all cases be attributed to Scotland when it was taken out of bond.

Except for one wee very small minor tiny insignificant problem.

Whisky can be moved from bonded warehouse to bonded warehouse. THAT I could find no detail on whatsoever. I gave up, more fun watching spiders crawling up the wall and placing bets.

Oh, and then there’s gin of course almost as big as whisky now in Scotland. There ARE no similar regulations protecting the brand of Scottish or Scotch Gin.

Unionists hide behind this trail “Scotch Whisky has to be matured in Scotland”. “It has to be bottled in Scotland”. First part true, second part only partly true. They also call it all a myth, even export duty. Not so I think, export duty exists, but it’s 0%.

We’ll never know the true extent of this until Independent, maybe not even then – spirit can be exported in bulk all over the world, though of course an Independent Scottish Government would be perfectly within its rights to bring un different regulations covering all whisky, and gin if it wanted to. Scotland could get a GI for alll whisky and gin, something the UK might not be interested in doing on our behlaf, even if there was a demand for it (there might not be).

Which does mean, however, there may not be any reduction in figures at all at the moment. It’s one of life’s mysteries.

O/T What is an alternative to using Facebook? Someone btl on here mentioned the system they now use instead of Facebook and cited all the advantages of the alternative.

Would someone be kind enough to remind me of the name?

Thank you.

Bob mack,

Thanks, I did miss your point. Development of a Scottish port suitable for the used of modern super tankers, would be good for income but not actually sure I would want to live near one, nor how economically viable it would be. Can that not happen now though?

@gfaetheblock 10:41pm
It’s not that odd.
The presumption is that ESS figures are what is.
The ESS and others play sweet melodies upon a blue guitar and lull the senses ”

They said, “You have a blue guitar,
You do not play things as they are.”
The man replied, “Things as they are
Are changed upon the blue guitar.”

Forsooth!
“My heart aches, and a drowsy numbness pains
My sense, as though of hemlock I had drunk,
Or emptied some dull opiate to the drains
One minute past hath the GERS figures been released…
Was it a vision, or a waking dream?”

Sarah @ 11.24

I assume you mean MeWe ?
I have not quite got used to it yet, but intend to keep at it.

Indy Car Gordon Ross is using it too.

CameronB Brodie,

O/T Well, I seem to have set off some kind of hornets’ nest with my previous comment, even though it was not my intention to offend but rather to assist, for the mutual benefit of us all.

Surely one crucial lodestone for posting anything on the main thread here is: does it reach out to the casual uncommitted visitor and hopefully bring them a little closer to independence, and conversely does it say nothing that might deter the same?

I also have my favourite topics about which I could readily discourse at considerable length – maybe we all do – but I am humble enough to understand that they would convince no-one and would merely clog up each thread with isolated non-sequiturs that engender no useful discussion whatever. So I desist. I merely ask you to consider the same.

Given the small number of degrees of separation between any two topics, one can of course indulge in sophistry to justify any discourse whatever under the sun, but when you get around to “experiential womenhood” (whatever the h*ll that is) and all suchlike exotica, how many casual readers do you think are going to be converted to indy because of it? And how many are instead going to think they have stumbled into pseuds’ corner and depart in haste, never to return?

Of course, it’s easy enough to skim on by, and I suspect that in fact with such voluminous arcana the vast majority of readers do exactly that, but why should it be necessary to break up interesting and timely discourses in such a disjointed manner? I ask you earnestly, is there not just a little self-indulgence in it?

I don’t say don’t write this stuff, I merely encourage you to place it in the O/T section, which is precisely and specifically intended for such matters.

As I already said, when you post comments like the rest of we mere mortals, I typically find them interesting, pertinent and accessible. And long may it be so!

Horses for courses, my friend.

I think people with MA’s in whatever should express themselves better. It is maybe tiredness mixed in with a babysham or two but it does make WoS less interesting. Any new person looking in probably leave even quicker never to return

Effen B’s are only funny when Matt McGinn tells the story. Anyone else is just boring and promotes independence not one jot.

Just my view

All the posts about whisky, where it is bottled, labelled etc may be academic after Brexit when the brand protection it gets from the EU as do many other identifiably Scottish products.

I don’t see the UK going to bat to protect it. To the Brexiteers it is a bargaining chip to put into the pot to secure a trade deal…any trade deal.

Hamish 100 @ 1.50
Babbysham oan a Monday?
Tell us … whits life like oan the edge there Hamish?
And who is Effin Bee?
Should we friend them on Facebook ?

@RN 11:50PM
Hehehe! Now that made me laugh at least 😉

Don’t know where Teachers whisky has gone to now but it used to be bottled in Springburn Glasgow just next to Petershill Jrs Football park

You could smell it from half a mile away when I was a kid

@Cameron Brodie,

They are politely saying “shut up” Some not so politely

Goodnight Cameron, time for my bed. I enjoy your stuff.

Nice to know your welcome eh? Newbies will just love that. Everybody welcome on Wings . Oh my aching ribs.

SIC are far-left? Like totalitarian collectivism, that sort of thing?

Or is it just the smaller RIC under that umbrella, who seem to want a more equitable distribution of spending and wealth, nationalisation of energy and industry, and stricter rules on banking and corporate practice. Y’know, the kind of thing most people want. I would’ve thought that was a vote-winner.

” Reluctant Nationalist says:
16 October, 2018 at 12:23 am

SIC are far-left? Like totalitarian collectivism, that sort of thing?

Or is it just the smaller RIC under that umbrella, who seem to want a more equitable distribution of spending and wealth, nationalisation of energy and industry, and stricter rules on banking and corporate practice. Y’know, the kind of thing most people want. I would’ve thought that was a vote-winner.”

I imagined you doing backward rolls as your were saying that

” Reluctant Nationalist says:
16 October, 2018 at 12:23 am

SIC are far-left? Like totalitarian collectivism, that sort of thing?

Or is it just the smaller RIC under that umbrella, who seem to want a more equitable distribution of spending and wealth, nationalisation of energy and industry, and stricter rules on banking and corporate practice. Y’know, the kind of thing most people want. I would’ve thought that was a vote-winner.

“I pleasured you, while you squeaked it”

Peter Bell with questions on Scottish Independence Convention

link to peterabell.blog

Could easily be a 5th column with its own political agenda.

Hi Wingers or as some of the trolls sound…whingers,can I tell you that even if Nicola was Saint Theresa’s love child or Alex really was guilty of whatever,I would still support Independence because I was of that obvious opinion before they were born.

No , I wish Stu would leave Trans and sevco alone but buckeroo (cf) asallgood academicso say
thatis san ferry anne.

That’s the Royal Town Planning Institute, obvs.

I’m not trying to show off, I copy and paste because folk tend not to click links. I do try to edit down to the essentials.

The Political Economy of Brexit

The UK’s vote to leave the European Union is a pivotal moment in British history. Over the past forty years, the UK’s economy has become increasingly intertwined and dependent on its relationship with the other EU member states with both the EU and the UK’s economic landscape irrevocably fashioned by its membership. Brexit takes both parties into uncharted territory. At such a time of uncertainty, what can we say for certain about the UK’s economic relationship with the EU and what might be the likely flashpoints for negotiations and the unintended consequences of Brexit?

link to cup.columbia.edu

Enemies of Brexit?

It is becoming increasingly clear that Brexit is serving as the trigger for a culture war involving universities. As with virtually everything that surrounds Brexit, the manifest causes and symptoms of this may have nothing to do with the European Union, and may not even have very much to do with universities as they actually exist. But Brexit is all about political theatre, in which symbols and mythical creatures are invoked and slayed, and higher education is becoming one of the imagined demons that supposedly stands in the hero’s path.

For those who have little knowledge of higher education – how it works, how it succeeds, the strains and risks it currently faces – this is a fabulous opportunity to unleash resentment on what appear from a distance like citadels of privilege and arrogance. That resentment must have been brewing for some time to have reached these proportions, but is now being fed daily by right-wing newspapers (both broadsheet and tabloid) with the help of the more outrageous Brexiteers, such as Chris Heaton-Harris MP.

link to perc.org.uk

Liberalism after Brexit
A fantasy of ‘Liberalism in One Country’[i]

Given that Brexit was an event imagined and delivered from within the Conservative Party, one of the most important analyses of it is Matthew d’Ancona’s examination of how the idea shifted from the party’s margins to its mainstream over the post-Thatcher era. Two things in particular stand out in his account.

Firstly, the political plausibility of Brexit rose as a direct response to Tony Blair’s dogmatic assumption that European integration was a historical destiny, which encompassed the UK. No doubt a figure such as Blair would have discovered a messianic agenda under any historical circumstances. But given he gained power specifically in the mid-90s, he was one palpable victim of the fin de siècle ideology (stereotyped by Francis Fukuyama’s ‘end of history’ thesis, but also present in Anthony Giddens’ ‘Third Way’) that the world was programmed to converge around a single political system.

Neo-conservative faith in violent ‘democratisation’ was Blair’s worst indulgence on this front, but a view of European unification (and expansion) as inevitable was responsible for inciting the Tory reaction within Westminster. Europe could have been viewed as a particular historical path, adopted in view of the particular awfulness of the European 20th century. Instead, in a Hegelian fashion, the idea of Europe became entangled with the idea of ‘globalisation’, and the conservative reaction was to refuse both.

Secondly, Tory Brexiteers view the EU as an anti-market project, which blocks economic freedom. This is also weirdly ahistorical. Firstly, the EU was established specifically to entrench the market as the organising principle of European coordination, as a way of preventing further war between France and Germany. When the Left complains that the EU is a ‘neoliberal’ institution that elevates the market above national democracy (see Wolfgang Streeck’s piece on this), this is correct. The Left should recognise that, in terms of its foundational goal, it’s been remarkably successful.

Of course it achieves the single market through a high level of bureaucratic and technocratic planning (such as anti-trust, standardisation, consumer protection), allowing it to be represented as ‘socialist’ by those who cling to a Victorian or anarchic idea of what the market should look like. But there is no contradiction between technocracy and market competition, indeed the latter has depended on the former ever since the rise of business corporations and market regulation in the final decades of the 19th century. David Graeber’s Utopia of Rules explores how this confluence of markets and bureaucracy works…..

link to perc.org.uk

I believe Ireland is heading in the direction of a hard border and a border poll will also take place before or after the hard border is introduced.

If the Irish vote for a United Ireland then best wishes to them in taking on the responsibility for all the Britnat nutters in the North.

I’m posting far too much probably to take my mind of an unweldable corroded subframe in wife’s car ho hum, new one’s cheaper than it looked like this morning all the same, and old one maybe even still under long warranty apparently. Wish me luck I could do with it. Anyways get a load of this:

link to twitter.com

YAYAYAYAY!

Oh, it’s plain YES, not YES We Can. I’ll have to change back my avatar.

@ ElGordo

Are you sure it’s ‘I pleasured you’, not ‘you received pleasure’?

@CameronB Brodie – keep on posting Cameron. I don’t manage to read every post but it’s good to have the choice. People who aren’t interested can just scroll by.

Same to Ken500, repetition is necessary sometimes. As with Robert Peffers posts on constitutional matters, it doesn’t always sink in at first glance. And I agree – the psychobastards should be in jail, not swanning around the planet on private jets sowing death and destruction on perfectly innocent people.

Kangaroo

Went to the Scottish Convention last year. There were loads of topics covered including a future currency, an interesting talk by Pensioners for Yes, Wee Ginger Dug etc.

From what I remember it was exactly the opposite from what Peter Bell is saying.

The Scottish Independence Convention didn’t want a top down approach and was encouraging everyone to work in their own groups and join up with others etc although following a discussion from the floor, it was made clear a lot of people felt some kind of central point was required and definitely other speakers rather than just politicians would be helpful.

I’ve also attended a talk by Peter Bell and (perhaps mistakenly), my impression was he was very much in favour of the SNP doing the talking.

Personally I think it would be more difficult for the Gordon Brewers to treat other speakers from different backgrounds with the same contempt than the politicians but that’s just my view.

At the end of the day the way I see it the more the merrier

@Molly
It’s all a load of personalities, and the idea is it’s my way or the highway.

Walking’s good too 🙂

Kangaroo

Attended the Scottish Indy Convention last year.

It was the exact opposite of Peter Bells scepticism

It was questions from the floor if I remember right which raised the issue of a central contact if you like and the speakers/ organisers were very much keep doing what you’re doing as groups,forums, street stalls etc .

I might be wrong because I’ve attended a few ‘gatherings’.

Funny enough I’ve also attended a talk by Peter Bell.

Again might be wrong but got the impression he was very much for the SNP doing the talking.

Personally I think it would be harder for the Gordon Brewers to treat non politicians with the same contempt as he treats ‘some’ politicians and not every Yes or potential Yes voter is an SNP voter so it widens the conversation.

The more the merrier I would think?

Cameron B;
Your not one of these. You research things &, indeed, help broaden the mind.
It’s the self-opinionated, single-minded, myth-believing know-alls who get on my goat.

Capilla.
Mr Peffers reminds us of incidents based on well researched facts as I have previously posted.

@ Molly says at 1:26 am …. ”Kangaroo – Went to the Scottish Convention last year. There were loads of topics covered including a future currency, an interesting talk by Pensioners for Yes, Wee Ginger Dug etc. From what I remember it was exactly the opposite from what Peter Bell is saying. The Scottish Independence Convention didn’t want a top down approach and was encouraging everyone to work in their own groups and join up with others etc although following a discussion from the floor, it was made clear a lot of people felt some kind of central point was required and definitely other speakers rather than just politicians would be helpful” … At the end of the day the way I see it the more the merrier.”

I was at the SIC Convention in Edinburgh last year too Molly and yes ”it was exactly the opposite from what Peter Bell is saying.” In fact a large number of influential independence supporters don’t seem to agree with him either.

Imo, we REALLY need this. A ”umbrella” group that’ll pull it all together.

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‘Fundraiser led by Elaine C Smith launched for indy campaign aiming to keep Yes support above 50%.’

”The National columnist Paul Kavanagh (Wee Ginger Dug) said: “I’m proud to be a part of this campaign. It’s time. Time to work. Time to build. Time to make our better Scotland real. We can only do it by pulling together, by collaboration and cooperation, because the way we campaign for our better Scotland will define that Scotland once we win it.”

”In the SIC’s fundraising video, MP Philippa Whitford said the organisation “will give you the strategic tools you need … to reach undecided voters and give them the information they need to back independence”.

link to thenational.scot

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‘What is the Scottish Independence Convention and who is involved?’

‘THE Scottish Independence Convention is a stakeholder organisation for all who wish to see Scotland become independent.

It is made up of national level pro-independence supporting groups, pro-independence parties and representatives from regional Yes groups as follows: Women for Independence; NHS for Yes; Common Weal; Christians for Independence; Scottish CND; Scottish Green Party; Scottish National Party; Scottish Socialist Party; Labour for Independence; Young Scots for Independence; SNP Students; Radical Independence Campaign; Pensioners for Independence; Business for Scotland; Scots English for Independence; Hubs for Scottish Independence (HUSCI); Yes Highlands; Aberdeen Independence Movement; Scottish Independence Foundation.”

link to thenational.scot

The Scottish Whisky Industry employs around 10,000 people in Scotland and 30,000 in England. Why’s that?

”More than 10,000 are directly employed in the Scotch Whisky industry.

Over 40,000 jobs across the UK are supported by the industry..”

And then to add insult to injury many workers in Scotland, such as at Chivas Brothers / Pernod Ricard, are on zero-hour contracts … with all that entails … such being bullied and being laid off.

That’ll bl**dy well change with Independence.

link to scotch-whisky.org.uk

” Britain’s magical thinking won’t make the EU accept the impossible …. At every step of the Brexit process, there has been a reliable way to predict what the European Union will do. …. The trick is to listen to what they actually say “

” the Brexit process has followed an EU timetable on terms defined by EU treaties. … European leaders have repeated the golden rule … privileges of membership are unavailable to non-members. Britain must decide what it likes about its current arrangements and then negotiate a price for retaining them. The latest terms and conditions have been regularly updated on the European commission’s website. “

Certainly agrees with my view of reality!

link to archive.li

@ cirsium says at 9:00 pm …. Petra, It’s not just the geology. It is also the disposal of the toxic water. The US has a big problem.”

..”Fracking is based on the “hydraulic” process of using pressurized liquid to shatter shale rock to let the oil and gas inside escape. And while that liquid is a mixture of many hazardous chemicals, it is mostly water. And acquiring that water and then properly disposing of the toxic wastewater produced by fracking is becoming a big and expensive problem for the industry…”

link to nakedcapitalism.com

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Thanks for the excellent link cirsium. Water is crucial to the process, from beginning to end (dumping), and that’s why Westminster is determined to get control over fracking in Scotland. Scotland with around 5 million of a population, and with at least 31,460 freshwater lochs alone. Then there’s our sea lochs and rivers.

link to en.wikipedia.org

There’s around 387 lakes in England however most of them are in fact reservoirs and can’t be touched. Between one thing and another England, with 53 million of a population, doesn’t seem to have too much going for it.

link to britain-visitor.com

Links

Scottish Prism Peter.A.Bell & More – 14th Oct 2018
link to barrheadboy.com

Quite a few new posts on this site, take a look
link to businessforscotland.com

link to macalbasite.wordpress.com

link to independenceconvention.scot

link to thoughtcontrolscotland.com

link to spice-spotlight.scot

link to centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk

link to grumpyscottishman.wordpress.com

Jury selected for Tory MP’s election spending trial
link to archive.is

link to sluggerotoole.com

link to voxpoliticalonline.com

AstraZeneca halts UK investments due to Brexit uncertainties – Le Monde link to archive.is

link to taxresearch.org.uk

link to chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com

link to consilium.europa.eu

link to irishtimes.com

Did anyone listen to the Indycar Gordon Ross video that Robert (P) posted yesterday? If not could you do so and tell me (us) what you make of it?

”The Scottish Continuity Bill … If it goes to the European Court and we win we would be recognised as being a newly founded state before any referendum .. before we leave the UK .. re-establishing the sovereignty of the people. 11.00 mins in.

‘Indycar Gordon Ross 15 10 18 Blaming the Irish for Brexit.’

link to youtube.com

@Petra 8:22

Re indycar

Yes I saw that video but what he is suggesting doesn’t make sense to me. I would need to read the submissions to the court, but have not seen any reference to it other than Rob Peffers comments. I watched the entire Continuity Bill case on line but have not seen any link to a reference to the ECJ or other International Court. If you have a ref and I can read the submissions I may be able to provide a reasonable comment. It is obviously of vital importance so we need to be up-to-date with it.

@Nana

Thanks Nana. 🙂

I’ll be keeping an eye on Wednesday’s summit and then the progress of the Continuity Bill case in the SC.

FM hit just the right note yesterday with consistency of message. Next bit should be quite the page turner. 😉

sandy says:
15 October, 2018 at 11:22 pm
Ken500. @ 10.20pm.

Had a quick reluctant glance. Utter PISH. (Other posters, excuse language usage)

Where is the skill in debate these days ?

If you go back 100 years most tradesmen were masons so what does that prove? It was a hangup from the medieval guild societies nowadays jobs, universities, colleges, apprenticeships are all gained by merit.

Strangely in days long past major Scottish projects like Glasgow Royal Infirmary, the Wallace Monument, the Bannockburn Flagpole and many others were erected through the auspices of the Masonic Order with great pomp and fanfare as Masons then were proud to fly the Saltire. Nowadays nobody hears much or anything about their charity activities, still not a lot of people buy newspapers these days.

Nowadays with Lodge it’s oh we’re APOLITICAL funnily enough exactly what HES said just recently, that brought 100000 plus into Holyrood Park. Well I have said it before and I’ll say it again when are the Masons going to March with a Yes Banner, frankly I personally don’t think it will ever happen. Still you can easily prove me wrong organize A Masons for Indy and then I shall be convinced till then as they say the jury is out !

I think the Gibraltar situation is different because having a Border there is simplicity itself, and nowhere near as provocative and inflammatory as it is in Northern Ireland.

There is also no formal Peace Treaty like the Good Friday Agreement which is contingent on there being no Border whatsoever.

Good luck to Gibraltar, although time will tell whether Spain will bend to a Brexit Deal which doesn’t suit its interests, or veto any deal even supposing Westminster can ever secure one.

Lenny – the Troodos site is a “reserved site”, not a Sovereign Base, which is where the difficulties will lie!

Great links Nana. Thanks.

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