The evolution of fairness
Some of our more alert readers may recall the events of four years ago this month, when a mob of SNP representatives all suddenly raged against the idea of (perfectly legally) “gaming” the Holyrood electoral system to produce a pro-indy supermajority.
Voters try to organise themselves to maximise their desired outcomes all the time (see various tactical-voting campaigns), and so do political parties – witness John Swinney’s current plans for a grand anti-Reform coalition. And of course, the SNP never objected to indy voters voting for a different party on the list if it was the Greens. The entire thing was just a poorly-disguised attack on Alba.
But even so, guess what? The rules just changed again.
We’ll say this for Tommy Sheppard: his columns for The National are at least more interesting than the boilerplate woke drivel churned out by most of its pundits like Kelly Given, Steph”en” Paton, Caitlin Logan, Pat Kane or Karen Adam. There are even glimmers of frankness in them, such as the recent one where he admitted the SNP probably had fewer than 3,000 active members, and this:
Now, that isn’t “remarkable” at all. Labour did well at last year’s election because people were sick of the SNP, and now they’re sick of Labour too. It would make little sense to switch back, especially when nobody can actually identify any meaningful policy differences between the two parties anyway. But it’s still an uncommon amount of reflection in a politician.
It doesn’t take long for dishonesty to re-assert itself, though.
In fact the current state of the polls makes an SNP victory – ie winning more seats than anyone else, as opposed to a majority – extremely probable, as Sheppard had in fact pointed out just a paragraph earlier, when he said “in a first past the post contest with lots of parties, the one with the most support triumphs, even if it’s the choice of nowhere near half of the electorate”.
Polls for the last six months have put the SNP consistently well clear of the four main Unionist parties, with almost 60% of the vote roughly-evenly split between them, on the first-past-the-post constituency vote, with the gap currently over 15 points.
And while that vote isn’t uniformly spread (the Lib Dems will retain their pockets of strength in the north, and the Tories will probably hang onto theirs in the Borders, despite the Reform vote eating into their core) a gap of that size means the large bulk of the 73 FPTP constituency seats – 50 or more – will go to the SNP.
And that’s when things get interesting in a supposedly-proportional electoral system. Because 55 MSPs (the most recent projection) in a Parliament of 129 is already 43% of the seats in the chamber – a share well above the SNP’s actual support, before we even get to counting the list votes.
If the SNP were as concerned about “fairness” as they apparently were in 2021, they shouldn’t stand any list candidates at all (or any that get elected should stand down), because every one that gets elected – and at least a few likely would, eg in the aforementioned Borders – would only make the unfairness worse.
But that’s not Tommy Sheppard’s response. Suddenly he’s concerned that pro-indy representation in the Parliament (which the 2021 SNP, remember, didn’t want to be unfairly high) will be LOWERED if any other pro-indy party stands, and he therefore insists that people need to keep voting SNP.
Sheppard’s focus on the list vote as the “true” representation of voters’ wishes is fascinating, because that one shows SNP support at just 30%, compared to the 35% on the constituency vote.
That would mean the SNP would be over-represented by a huge margin of around 50% – ie they’d have 45% of seats on 30% support, or 1.5 times their proportionate share – and pro-indy seats would be 52% of the chamber on just 42% of the vote (the same projection gave the Greens 10 seats for their 10%) – a majority from a minority, plainly “unfair” in Mhairi Hunter logic.
Sheppard, of course, doesn’t criticise any indy supporter who’s planning on voting for the Greens, even though he notes that independence is “not a core belief” of the SNP’s former coalition partners.
But he can’t play both sides. If he wants indy supporters to “unite to maximise our collective strength”, then the way to do that is for SNP voters to vote for other indy parties. He shouldn’t be attacking Alba for being too small, and lecturing people about the evils of being divided, he should be urging SNP voters to lend them (or the Greens, ISP etc) their second vote so that they DO get seats.
In 2021 a million list votes for the SNP won just two list seats, whereas giving them to other indy parties would have secured 10 times as many. Those wasted votes are precisely how to “snatch defeat from the jaws of victory” if your goal is to “maximise our collective strength”.
If, on the other hand, the SNP are primarily concerned about being “fair” to Unionists, they should keep demanding that everyone in the indy movement joins the SNP, because he knows that ain’t happening and that stubbornly sticking to a one-horse policy when it’s a knackered old nag only fit for dogfood and glue will achieve nothing but delivering more Unionist seats, just as it did in 2021.
In the real world, of course, politicians will never tell voters to vote for any party other than their own. But Sheppard’s message is all over the place, and irrational, illogical nonsense in a hatful of incredibly obvious ways, and treating the electorate like complete imbeciles who’ll swallow any old garbage is damaging in and of itself.
If you genuinely care about independence and you’re in the SNP, you need to grit your teeth, accept that 40% of indy supporters have – entirely justifiably – completely lost faith in your party, and stop attacking them and competing with them. By all means try to win them back by fixing everything you’ve broken in the last 10 years, but until such times as that (somehow) happens you can’t treat them as your enemies, or wayward children who don’t really understand what they’re doing and just need a lecture.
But the key line in the paragraph above is “if you genuinely care about independence”, because we know the SNP don’t. Every vote for them is in fact a vote for another five years of doing nothing. Sheppard himself admits the party has no plan.
We all know what the occupants of those SNP seats will be doing.
And if they have any real interest in independence and really want to bring the indy movement back together, maybe they should start by telling the truth for a while. Because we all know from the bitter disappointments and betrayals of the last 10 years that “Voting SNP over and over again will bring about independence!” ain’t it.
The SNP and greens have more plants than Dobbies, and I wouldn’t bet against TS being one of them.
Typo paragraph 4? Last?
Labour did well at *least* year’s election
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU MEAN
My mistake. 😉
Who the f still gives the Greens their vote?
Nutters
I’d rather see the death of the SNP than Independence with the SNP running Scotland, what a nightmare scenario.
When Shona Robison made the decision to stand down I thought thank god he’s been listening to me. I’ve prayed for the useless individual to be chucked out of politics. Yes she’s leaving on her own volition, its a pity the rest don’t follow suite. Please god shut this Unionist parliament down for good.
Robison only survived this length of time through her close association with Sturgeon and has known for a long time her jaickit was hingin’ on a slack nail. From the time she landed at Holyrood she demonstrated how inept she was to the point of laying the NHS in Scotland to a LOW from which it has never recovered.
Robison was to the fore in bulldozing ‘WOKE’ legislation through at Holyrood in spite of the fact she was the mother of a ‘female’ child. Scotland will be all to the good when she removes her parasitic wretched self from public life!!
I’d be out of an independent scotland ASAP
Not because I love the English
Not because I think that Westminster is competent
But purely because I think the SNP would grasp the reigns of power and never let go
And they would turn Scotland into a extreme left wing authertarian hellhole
And they would make trump look like an absolute amateur at filling their own bank accounts
They show all the signs now, when their powers are checked to some extent by the UKG. They’d go full Stalinist if left to their own devices.
“And they would turn Scotland into a extreme left wing authertarian hellhole
And they would make trump look like an absolute amateur at filling their own bank accounts”
They already have.
And much more.
I just been confronted with a page after posting full letters that make complete no sense.
Just seen Mhairi Hunter walking by my flat. This is one vote she won’t be getting again as she tries to be re-elected for Govanhill.
Tommy talks of the Greens not having independence as their core core and that people who do not support independence vote for them. Well, same goes for the SNP. So long as they do not rock the boat on independence and bring in other policies that appeal to others on the political spectrum, they feel they can hold on in 2026.
After all, that ‘huge’ new constituency of New Scots/’woke’/’trans’ voters were catered for very well, while genuine independence supporters and long-term members of the SNP have been treated like the proverbial brown stuff. Independence as an aspiration is all well and dandy, but don’t actually expect it to materialize.
In the end, they have probably lost more voters of the old, ‘boots on the ground’ campaigning types as they have gained ‘new’ voters, so what was the point? Well, when you have been tasked with ensuring that independence never actually happens in reality, but you can keep the unquestioning faithful slavering over the dangling carrot, you are quids in, aren’t you?
Nice job for years, even nicer pension and you don’t actually have to do anything too onerous except relieve women and girls of the burden of their hard-won rights by breaching every law in the land. What could go wrong?
It is THIS insulting, moronic, imbecilic, LYING PISH vomited by this tr@itorous gravy slurper that enrages REAL independence supporters, tommy can spout this garbage to what is left of the Scum Nonce Party membership because we know that they are NOT real independence supporters, they are brainless robotic fuckwit tr@itors to Scotland and Scots who are more interested in voting for deviants and perverts who BETRAY and INSULT their mothers every day, whose idea of independence can ONLY come through the Scum Nonce Parties never never La La land of politics
Tommy and his fellow betraying troughers are shiting themselves that I4I (Independents4Independence) gain some traction and PUBLICLY EXPOSE the LIES and CORRUPTION rampant throughout Holyrood
VOTE I4I (Independents4Independence)for direct democracy and FREEDOM for Scotland
SIGN UP NOW to SALVO and Liberation.Scot to FIGHT for our FREEDOM from WM & HR LIES & CORRUPTION
Indeed.
It’s certainly interesting (to me, at least) how Tommy has been scrutinised by both Peter A Bell AND Wings within a few days.
I like it.
By the Way REV the site is still under attack
We (nearly) all know that the SNP leadership have no interest in independence except as a marketing ploy. What seems to be becoming ever more obvious is that not many of the members have much interest in it either, perhaps because nearly all the independence supporters have left the party.
So maybe the idea being put about by many that the SNP could be saved by a change of the leadership is now past its sell by date. Are there actually enough independence supporters in the party to fill the leadership and elected member positions?
If you think the SNP won’t grasp indy with two hands if they can get it then you need to give your head a wobble
They’d jump at the chance
If you think they would have elections after indy
Give your head another wobble
As they would use “emergency powers” to block elections to stop “Yoon interference”
And you lot would welcome it with open arms
Oh gies peace ya tumshie.
Who the f still gives the Greens their vote?
Well if the SNP continue with their suicide election campaign what can I say!!!
They have been captured by the security services and are being driven over the cliff.
I struggle to believe they are collectively so stupid.
Some of them actually are that ‘stupid’ because they are cultural Marxists and will accept no other viewpoint. It doesn’t mean that they are intellectually ‘stupid’, just incapable of critical thinking – robots, for want of a better word.
The top notchers know perfectly well the game they are playing: they are all devolutionists to a man and woman; they do not actually want to see full independence because they are managers to all intents and purposes – middle management types – chosen deliberately to ensure that we never see independence via the SNP. At least one or two will be assets, chosen at university, to derail independence itself.
What worries me most about them is their total lack of shame in perverting the law and justice, the two not always being concurrent. No neutral impact assessments done on any policy, no due diligence, no adherence to the law of the land. No cost assessment of policies that are, frankly, beyond human reason and are contested in court at huge public expense.
Heads should be rolling like snoooker balls, and the 20 or so that are not standing again are jumping off the sinking ship with a lifebelt stuffed to bursting with a pension that not one of their constituents could aspire to in a lifetime.
They will be replaced by, mainly, the ultra ‘woke’ young ones whose grasp of history, politics, social science, philosophy, law, et al is sadly lacking. Not all young people are devoid of critical thinking knowledge or understanding, by any means, but too many are for comfort. An independent Scotland without a cull of all these deadwoods and dangerous ideologues would be a delve into the circles of Dante’s hell for most of us.
They’re not stupid.
They are richer.
And the deal they made with their ‘lack of conscience’ bothers them not one jot.
On that we can agree, NN.
A good place to start reforming Scotland is to Tax the Charity Train. Then we will see who are the charitable people and who’s been paying off the mortgage for the last twenty years.
60% YES
Filth like me should sell up and piss off back to england
As Scotland will very be soon a marxist islamic state where women will all be forced by law to have a penis
And everything will be free all paid for by taxing Elon Musk
Have fun
There the SNP are!
Let’s be fair to the Unionists who imposed a voting system for Holyrood that was designed to make it near impossible for an independence majority.
Let’s be fair to the Tories who walked out of Westminster en mass as SNP stood up to debate Brexit.
Let’s be fair to the Tories who refused point blank to have Holyrood representation at EU Brexit negotiations.
Let’s be fair to Labour who insist no matter what there is no opportunity for Scotland ever to leave England’s stranglehold.
Thanks Stu for your detailed analysis of the article.
Don’t usually read TS column in The National on a Monday as he recycles the same SNP tropes as you indicate. George Kerevan was worth a read though he has sadly given up his column.
GOOD NEWS: Salvo press release now available PLUS the submission documents that were presented to the UN Decolonisation Committee on Friday 7th March can be read on Liberation.scot website.
The comments on Wings recently have been very downhearted. I hope that the sight of serious independence fighters doing something important will cheer everyone up.
Sarah you talk about the comments being downhearted, I have always admired and respected Stuart Campbell’s investigative journalism and continued exposure of the lies and corruption endemic to the FAKE independence party and their cabal of deviants and perverts, I admired and praised him for his unwavering and publicly outspoken stand on the perverts charter so beloved and hailed by sturgeon, useless, cole scuttle,sarwar and other questionable adherents
I believe through his unrelenting explosive exposures of the EVIL pulsating through the very intestines of the FAKE independence party that there is no question of his allegiance and dedication to the cause of Scotland’s independence
What I find extremely confusing and illogical is that someone who believes in the freedom of his country and battles against the mainstream floods of lies and misinformation perpetrated throughout all the joint media, comfortably and repeatedly ignores friends and allies who believe passionately in Scotland’s SOVEREIGNTY and who are driven unwaveringly with integrity and honesty to pursue any and all avenues to secure Scotland’s freedom from our oppressor
I cannot understand why Stuart Campbell has chosen to ignore organisations like SALVO and Liberation.Scot consisting of dedicated independence supporters many of whom are avid WOS readers and contributors
There is continued talk of appeals for unity within the movement but that must only be extended to those and such as those, which could explain why the indy movement is so fractured
First to cover the story of Liberation Scotland’s 17,000+ members and Salvo taking Scotland’s case for decolonization (i.e. independence) to the United Nations is Grouse Beater:
link to grousebeater.wordpress.com
link to liberation.scot (related docs under ‘news’)
It’s simple enough. It’s because it’s a waste of time.
You cannot declare independence (at least, not while expecting anyone to pay any attention) unless you’ve had some sort of democratic event demonstrating that it’s the will of a majority of the people. And you can’t achieve that without political parties saying that a vote for them is a vote for that to happen.
If you get that, the world will take heed regardless of what any court has said. If you don’t, they WON’T take heed regardless of what any court has said.
To use your example of IT being a waste of time, you used your knowledge and dedication to produce the “Wee Blue Book” and the “Wee Black Book”to educate and inform people what the fight was about in 2014, which had an immense effect on the independence movement and normal voters,was THAT a waste of time, you were considered a crank and an annoyance within the political arena especially the Scum Nonce Party whose leader was Alex Salmond yet you were held in great esteem by the troops on the ground, you were persona non grata by the hierarchy because you were intruding on their turf and you were exposing what THEY should have been exposing, you were (spit) a no mark blogger whose opinion didn’t matter
THEY defamed and denigrated you because you were NOT one of them THEY were telling their members to ignore you and not visit your site THEY still do that, their contempt of you because you EXPOSE their LIES and CORRUPTION knows no bounds
When Alex Salmond launched his new party you were adopted into the fold, you then became the doyen of ALBA’S political message, you were given access to the top hierarchy with the likes of Kenny MacAskill posting on Wings and interviews with Alex Salmond himself ,was it because they liked you as a person called Stuart Campbell or was it because of the POWER you hold within the independence movement and the respect, integrity and gravitas the readership values
Other bloggers despise you because your opinion counts with the rank and file and they are jealous of your reach
Can YOU get us independence fuck no ,can YOU access the international community NO, can YOU declare independence NO ,Are YOU a political party NO
And the big question , DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS A WASTE OF TIME
“I cannot understand why Stuart Campbell has chosen to ignore organisations like SALVO and Liberation.Scot consisting of dedicated independence supporters many of whom are avid WOS readers and contributors”.
I can. And he doesn’t ignore them, he just doesn’t use his site to talk about them. There’s a difference, yeah?
I recognise that I may be wrong in my analysis, but here’s what I think just now:
Stu likes to deal with absolutes. Facts.
Proven facts and stats.
He is forensic.
Forensics do not deal with events YET to happen.
Forensics does not deal with probable events.
Forensics only contend/wrestle with proven past actions/words/evidence.
The fractured nature of the Indy movement, and the undeniable fact that the NuSNP are a major threat to Indy progress ( the Scottish Monolith, the Great Obstacle), means that someone has to hold them to account/ expose their lies and corruption/ bring their darkness (lies, corruption, ineptitude, sadism etc) blinking into the sunlight.
Stu’s skill set makes him the perfect person to do this.
Everybody else within the active grassroots is far too busy following encouraging scents of liberation. And so they should be following encouraging scents.
In my mind, rightly or wrongly, Stu has taken on the unenviable task of destroying an entity that MUST be destroyed, so that new growth can flourish. It’s akin to working in an abattoir of words.
I think he knows nobody else is going to do it (not properly), and it’s a full time job. So he and Chris, and whoever else, does this essential job whilst others within the grassroots plough equally valid furoughs.
Now that I reflect on it, that probs just a wordy way of saying that a new building needs both a wrecking ball AND a construction team. Wings is the wrecking ball.
I actually cannot believe you’ve sent that to the United Nations. You could have saved some text and just written “we hate the English and we’d like you to endorse that, even though we lost a referendum on independence but it was unfair because we didn’t purge the electoral register of people who were likely to vote no”. At the very least you could have tried to align your argument to the criteria the UN applies to defining non-self governing territories, or tried to tie in some recognised principles of international law! Can you please post the response you get?
Just to clarify, liberation.scot isn’t about likes or dislikes of the English its a peaceful movement.
You could have saved some text and just written nothing at all.
Mikey:
You could lead from the front on this. Set us all an example to follow.
Special Committee’s 2025 session on 10 March.
Yes – a summary of that meeting can be found here; link to press.un.org
In a turn of events that will surprise nobody, there is no mention of Scotland, liberation/Salvo anywhere. It’s almost like a swivel-eyed barely coherent email sent by one tiny campaign organisation on behalf of another tiny campaign organisation on the Friday before a Monday meeting didn’t persuade the chair to drop everything and focus on this.
Sara, Your correct the UN Decolonisation of Scotland is a winner for so many reason.
Its progress, when all we have had is betrayal. Now we actually have people who are fighting for Scotland in order to achieve Independence.
With both Sturgeon and Salmond gone things can only get better, we don’t need people who are part of the privy council.
His opinion his is own, as it happens I disagree.
Ding dong the witch is dead. St Nic standing down at the next election. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Which “charity” has she got a directors job at?
£100k a year and 1 day a month
“Nicola Sturgeon announces decision to quit Holyrood after 27 years as MSP”
Good – let’s hope charges come soon.
IF there are any changes they’ll be the type of changes that remain the same.
The ego has landed.
Sturgeon announces her intention not to stand for reelection.
“ … the time is right for me to embrace different opportunities in a new chapter of my life, and to allow you to select a new standard bearer.”
The poisoned dwarf has been a (absent) constituency MSP for 24 months. In what alternate universe is she a “standard bearer”?
Why? She put herself forward and has now changed her mind. Is there something more here we don’t know about?
SHE whose name shall not be uttered standing down?!
Branchform outcome must be imminent..
Undoubtedly. There is always more. This is the REDACTED parliament, after all.
But I don’t think it’s what YL says.
Branchform will only ever go into the longer and yet even longer grass, until it’s one of those forgotten places at a road side, that used to be something, except only the old locals can remember it’s name and nobody else knows what the fuck they are talking about.
She has done her job for the Anglo-State and has been well rewarded for it. Off you pop now.
If only that were true. She won’t POP off.
The most diabolic ("Tractor" - Ed) that Scotland has known in recent years will no doubt do very well(financially) rewriting history in a way that most of us know to be FALSE.
Now that Ms Sturgeon has decided not to stand for re election in 2026 it will doubtless be reassuring to her many fan(nie)s to know that she will at least have the financial security of her MSP’s salary, expenses and pension contributions upon which to rely until then.
And, at least it’s not like she’ll have to actually attend Holyrood to do anything to earn this serendippity.
scotgov are doing performative whining about energy prices – they can do fuckall about it, and they know it …
if we were like civilised countries and used local energy pricing, our bills would be a lot lower.
– there is an idea to introduce this, and the SOUTH EAST ARE FUCKIN RAGIN
see their house journal
link to archive.ph
and because of the ballot box, they will find a way to stymie it
but imagine being in a universe where – these people did not exist, or just did not exist in the same political entity you did, could not outvote you as they did not have a vote … how would that work out?
in other news, the new supernuke dreadnought class is going to be another 5B more expensive; a billion here, a billion there pretty soon you are talking real money
but imagine being in a universe where – we did not have to own these useless weapons, just so we could pretend we were a “major power”; nukes are like the sausage down the spandex of an aging rock star – fooling no one and embarrassing to look at
imagine being in a universe where you did not have to put up with world class incompetence across the board – every defence project, the new nuclear power stations (something we don’t need, or will ever), and HS2, the gold standard of fuckup, maybe the most incompetent project of all time; the faroe islands can complete major projects before the UK has done the paperwork and appointed a steering committee.
imagine being in a universe where your leaders had the self respect to tax the fucking shit out of all the ingrate carpet baggers and grifters who think they are doing you a favour
link to archive.ph
imagine being in a country where the govt didn’t need to rig the accounts to make it look not-poor
link to archive.ph
imagine
While I agree completely with your list of world class fuck-ups
Can we add the following to it?
The ferries
The dealing of the A9
The bottle deposit return scheme
Or is that my love of the English/ranger/royal family showing?
You missed out the Baby Boxes, YS.
Sometimes I think you’ll stop at nothing to make ScotGov look shite.
But the Baby Boxes remain. An indelible reminder that ScotGov is not shite. That HR is not a waste of space. That the entire billion pound eyesore of eejits, pervs and troughers has not been in vain.
I don’t really need to make the Scottish government look like a bunch of shite
They do that very well themselves
UN recognition – this is long overdue.
The historical nature of our subjugation needs to be stressed; we get a lot of bollocks about “the Scots were enthusiastic imperialists” as the Anglos try to shift the blame.
– no. Scotland was patient zero of the virus that spread around the world; we had the pirates (anglos) team up with the loan sharks (dutch jews), then we got press-ganged into it – then you have the world’s most successful and destructive business enterprise for the next 250 years (Hitler was a massive fan). Glorious Revolution (coup), Bank of England (usury), and Union – that kicks off the whole thing. As Chomsky put it “the celtic periphery was subdued”, and the empire goes turbo. We also got ethnic cleansing in the highlands.
Independence is the nail in the coffin of an abomination. Maybe even the english will “sort themselves aht” when they finally realise they are no longer an empire (but I doubt it).
The deep evil that was created here seems to pass by most people – trade and commerce gets replaced with “capitalism” and bad things happen; you get a reaction, socialism / communism, and bad things happen; then you get another reaction fascism / national socialism … and “bad things happen”. The empire dies in the process, but gets re-born as its own bastard, imperial Amerika, perhaps the worst political entity to ever exist as it incorporates the aggregated failures and evil ideas of the past – you can find it all in the USA, like “the thing” it absorbs all it touches into itself.
The terrible wars of the last century are the fault, at source, of the english. No one else. They were the instigators. Also, if you look around the world, anywhere there is a fucked up country with ethnic violence the chances are it was the english who fucked it up, came in, made a mess, got chucked out but took a massive shit before they left. E.g. if india / pakistan start chucking nukes at one another, you can lay that one on the royal child molester, lord leggy mountbottom.
Nationalism, good. Imperialism, bad. Not just bad, but the essential evil from which all else is derived.
Scotland needs to be seen as the first victim of empire, not its co-beneficiary.
After the UN send in tanks to destroy the union and to remove the FAR RIGHT FACIST ENGLISH ARMY
Will scum like me be allowed to live in scotland?
Para 3 before The Dews get a name check.
Confused going soft in his old age?
Even the signature bum sex references are muted.
Somebody should tell him that his beloved UN is very much a creation and creature of his hated bastard, imperial Amerika.
How very Scottish to start something at the UN in the very year the organisation finally collapses into irrelevance.
I don’t agree with everything you say, but I do agree with some. See the last sentence, can we change it.
Can we change it to?
Scotland needs to be seen as the first and LAST victim of empire, not its co-beneficiary.
There must be an opening coming up at a publicly funded trough somewhere… or else Branchform is going to be painful reading for some.
Either way, it’s very much a case of a job well done by the most diminutive yet effective wrecking ball that ever took a swing at the independence movement.
Be sure not to let Holyrood’s front door hit your arse on the way out. And better yet, keep walking until you hit Carlisle, and don’t bother coming back!
Yoon Scum @ 13.30.
No, it’s not your inordinate affection and respect for those groups showing in this instance.
It’s more a recognition of what occurs at both regional and national level throughout the UK when a professional class of career politicians settle in to fill their boots and mess around with running things as a sideline.
Or, as my late Dad used to say, “They don’t so much want to do good as just to look good.”
And I see sod all evidence e that leaving the union will change that for the better in a free scotland
For the worse
That is possible with the current lot in holyrood
Occasionally read Kelly Givens’s column if I feel in need if a sedative, or a light skull concussion for masochistic fun. Her basic stance in her latest column was that basically Sturgeon was great cos
A) she’s got a fanny, and
B) She laid the groundwork for braindead female grifters to get into politics, like Givens and her wee twee deranged pals because they too have, well, fannies.
It’s genuinely incredible. These fucking female lobotomy cases support a Scotland-destructive lunatic because she has the same genitalia as them! Fucking cunt-cult lunatics. Never mind the incredible harm Sturgeon did Scotland, she pees sitting down so she’s braw, maw!
Shaking my head. Can’t even say anymore. Too grim, depressing, and anger-making.