Wings Over Scotland

Done the 3inrow Rev ;o) however I must wade in to proclaim that when if/when my Ill-Health comes in – soon – then free from PS shackles, these Moronic Mogadons are gettin it.

Intellectually&Politically ‘course.

Would anyone care for a happy thought?

The AUOB march in Gala on Saturday will be in a town where the SNP just won in last weeks election (as everywhere else on the mainland).

Not too many years back that would have seemed wildly improbable.

Hope to see some of you there.

This emergence meeting….any news / leaks / rumours?

Has the Leopard been spotted this evening?

PS.

Bercow the Speaker:

The idea that the house won’t have its say is for the birds.
MPs to vote on no deal…looks like.

I do hope he stays. I’d miss his bobbing at FMQs, and his big red scarf, just as I missed – whilst she was on leave – watching Ruthie lumbering to her feet in her civvies suit, to deliver yet another bunch of skewed statistics. As Grousebeater opined – Ruthie reading out statements she barely understands.

So who’s next for Slab leader? Does it matter? I suspect the majority of their membership remain due to force of habit, or respect for dear old Grandad and Dad,

Personally I think the poor chaps getting a bum rap, he has adhered religiously to the level of utter sh### required of any Labour leader in Scotland or indeed elsewhere. I don’t think they really have a lot to complain about.

It is quite terrifying that Leonard and Davidson are the leaders of anything least of all political parties.
Not only have they the brains of a pinecone but they genuinely have no interest in Scotland or its people.

Paraphrasing Labour apparatchicks on STV:

“We in Labour Party had a very nuanced message but you voters were too thick to understand”

LOL three monkeys on Scotland tonight. Hear no evil,See no evil and speak no evil. Cats fighting in a sack that’s British Labours branch office in Scotland the noo.

Call me dave 10.34pm.

Bercow article here. link to archive.is

The Labour Party are done.
Their voters have moved on having finally seen them for what they are. They have done nothing for Scotland for 60 years. Party first everything and everyone second.
Their final betrayal came in 2014 and all but the party faithful admit or even see that.
No sympathy for them and no nostalgia either. They no longer serve any purpose.
All the things the last remnants preach about are things they always promised and never delivered, the SNP are and have delivered.
Why don’t they just slope off and die with a bit of dignity.
The king is dead, long live the king.

Richard should stay!
We couldn’t ask for a better leader of the North Britain Branch.

Please keep him.

Scotland Tonight.

Total car crash for Labour in Scotland. Thousands of votes lost again as they argue amongst themselves and flaunt their dirty washing in front of the viewers. It was made crystal clear that Leonard can’t take a piss without running it past London first for approval.

Better Together and Dugdale telling voters to vote tactically ( code for vote Tory ) – they are now reaping what they sowed.

The THIRD party in Scotland will soon be the FOURTH party in Scotland. Wee Willie will be delighted.

Leonard says he will not be resigning – yippee.

No one asked him to step down because they are all terrified they might get the job.

🙂

Winifred McCartney @ 22:56,

Yes, NorthBritLab supped with the devil, but the dummies used too short a spoon.

And ever since, they have been paying the price. More and more people coming to see that they sold their souls, and so cheaply too. Not even BBC Scotlandshire pal-o-vision can save them now.

Aye, the political branch may finally snap for Leonard later today

18/11/17 to 29/05/19
link to wingsoverscotland.com

He’s lasted longer than many expected

Select 1st gear

I can almost hear “et tu Brute” ,in a Kenneth Williams voice.

Infamy infamy, they’ve all got it in for me . Happy days.

It’s all Madness…

link to youtube.com

Whose got the keys?

Cubby@11.49pm

Why would Rennie be delighted, they are already 5th and last party !!

Imagine the Greens may be chuffed if labour slide further and they become 3rd party here.

Of course, as currently constituted, we will be 3 parties short in an indy Scotland, at Holyrood.

Fun times ahead for sure.

What a great European Election this has been, and it might not be over yet!

Scottish Labour, Ruth Davidson, and the BBC’s credibility, have all taken huge hits, and the fall-out will go on for some time.

Magic!

Much unhappiness in the ranks. Their policies, NOT talking about Brexit for a change, just don’t work for them anymore.

I saw Neil Findlay interviewed. Saying he was resigning from the front bench and going to stand down at the next elections. He was, despite everything he has espousd on their behalf, bemoaning Labour policy by saying that the Labour attitude of being ‘Ultra Unionist’ simply wasn’t working and was alienating the voters!! My God, just how dense was he that he’s only getting his head round this NOW! (of course maybe he isn’t, maybe he tried to reform from within and feels he’s failed?)

I have mixed feelings about this. Should Labour adopt either a ‘pro’ or at least a ‘noncommital’ stance on Indy it COULD benefit the cause of independence leading to possible independence under a Labour government. On the other hand, they could regain ground and not honour any promises or just kick the can down the road by saying if/when there IS IndyRef2 they will not specifically campaign either way.

But the current state of the party, ie fifth place, is entirely down to their own failings in Scotland. In England the at least managed THIRD place. In Scotland they are now a party of the past.

They forgot that they weren’t always Scotland’s main party, there was a sea change when Scotland essentially stopped voting Tory or Liberal and moved en masse to Labour for some 50 years. They got fat and lazy and stopped caring about their constituents, they forgot their founding principals and became ‘Tory Lite’ They’ve rightly been punished for this…

They all reneged on the VOW. They reneged on promises made the next day. The unionists are compulsive liars. Brown, Clegg, Cameron. They were voted in to protect the NHS and Education. They cut both, NHS £4Billion a year and Education £6Billion. Halve of which they will not get back in increased student fees elsewhere. Cut Welfare £3Billion a year for six years. £18Billion People are starving.

Austerity was totally unnecessary the tax revenues increased from £533Billion to £628Billion. Increased £95Billion. The SNP Scottish Gov had to mitigate all these cuts. The Scottish budget has been cut 10% a year. Now £3Billion less. The Scottish tax revenues raised have increase £4Billion a year. The fishing, farming and Oil & Gas sector all totally mismanaged by Westminster. Fish discarded, throwing back dead fish, farming CAP payments taken. Oil sector highly taxed when the price had fallen. Now 40% since Jan 2016.

The Tory unionists are spending £Billions on HS2, Hinkley Point and Trident. All a total waste of tax payers money. An absolute disgrace. The waste of money on Brexit which will not happen is just appalling.

Links

link to gov.scot

As part of our ongoing work to improve the health of the nation, a consultation on the creation of a new public health body has been published.
link to consult.gov.scot

FM says
link to twitter.com

Nicola Sturgeon in Conversation with Dearbhail McDonald’
Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon participated in a wide-ranging discussion with journalist Dearbhail McDonald including a short Q&A session to close in the Royal Irish Academy on 27 May 2019.
link to soundcloud.com

link to thoughtcontrolscotland.com

Lesley Riddoch podcast
link to rqs.libsyn.com

link to weegingerdug.wordpress.com

Open for comments…
link to centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk

link to sputniknews.com

A trip down memory lane
link to twitter.com

Claude Juncker says
“I was crystal clear. There will be no renegotiation”
link to twitter.com

link to independent.co.uk

O/T

Can anyone remind me the background and outcome to the area of Scottish Waters that was sectioned off to England during Blair’s time (I think). If I recall, the intention was to incorporate certain oilfields.

I could google, but I suspect the minds on here will have more instant and accurate answers 🙂

@Mac

see Craig’s blog, good pic at the start

link to craigmurray.org.uk

Radio shortbread introduces the subject of an UK enquiry into ‘broadband’ with SNP MP A. Brown who is on the committee.

He sounded like he was on an internet connection and listed the half dozen items of the enquiry.

Switch to owner of an 11 bedroom hotel in the country who has a dodgy internet and no mobile phone and moaned for a couple of minutes.

That was it! Interview finished they never went back to Brown for a comment?? FGS!

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Now here’s Gary trying to put words into Angela Constance’s mouth about the Bill coming through Holyrood conflating the EU election vote with a Scottish referendum. Basically suggesting it’s greedy like having your cake and eat it.

Gary implying why have Indy2 if remain in EU is successful… you cant have both?
Too many referendums not enough time for the day job…blah blah!

Good old Auntie wie a kilt! 🙂 Another day in the colony.

The Unionist question

Unionists argue they don’t want Independence for Scotland under any circumstances, in fact many Unionists argue they would abolish the Scottish parliament as well

At the moment under the current system England outvotes Scotland 10 to 1 on every political issue confronting Scotland, so Scotland is forced to depend on luck if England decides something that might benefit Scotland and as England mostly votes for Conservative governments which Scotland invariably does not, that one hasn’t worked out particularly well

Who speaks for Scotland in a system where the Unionists get their way, because if their intention is to remove that tier of government while imperfect at least at the moment it has some say

Post 2014 the Smith commission was set up to deliver a fairer devolution settlement for Scotland but the three Unionist parties were given a vote each on that commission as against the SNP and the Greens one vote each, the three Unionst parties voted against Scotland gaining more devolution so once again Scotland was outvoted in what was supposed to be its own commission by parties who represent the interests of the larger UK which as we know is England, the bit that outvotes us by 10 to 1

Scotland does get more powers by dribbles and bits because of the SNP, who if they weren’t there no power would be forthcoming at all in fact power would be returning to England if the Unionists had their way

So what is the reasonable argument that Unionists have against Scotland deciding its own future, they can’t say we’re not up to it, Scotland invented half the modern world there has been no country on earth since the time of the Greek civilisation that has made a bigger contribution to the planet than Scotland, so what’s the Unionist argument, what are they talking about

Well if you’re a Unionist politician the answer is a Knighthood or a Lordship if you argue against Scottish Independence, but if you’re Joe Public you get nothing, in fact because you’re Scottish you get less than the guy in England who outvotes you by 10 to 1

Why are Unionists happy about that

All this waiting for the old to die so that the new can be born, is playing havoc with my patience. There should be laws and mechanisms in place to move these dullard bastards out of the way on the very first whiff of their putrescence.

Is it possible for James Kelly to be the new leader? Labour are thick enough to consider that would be a good idea. James Kelly – man of the people.

David @ 09.13

Yes. Please make Labour’s next branch manager James Kelly MSP. Please.

Here is the Referendums (Scotland) Bill – link to parliament.scot …. As expected, it is a framework bill, which can be applied by ministerial order to any particular referendum. This gets round competence constraints, because the order-making power will be read as applying only (1)

link to twitter.com

Even if Labour in Scotland declared they now were converted to independence would you believe them. Or would you think it was just another vow in the hope of reducing the SNP support that allows their Tory partners across Scotland into power.

My feeling is they would do anything to preserve the union, there is no such thing as Labour values with them, only unionist values.

Just published a Bill to set the rules for an independence referendum – to allow the Scottish people to choose our own future rather than having a Brexit future imposed on us. @Feorlean will update @ScotParl later on it and our plans for cross party talks and a Citizens’ Assembly
link to twitter.com

Ministerial statement 1.30pm
link to bb.parliament.scot

Carwyn (‘our’) ex-First Minister (Labour) is now calling for a summer referendum on EU membership.

The two referendum questions to be asked acc. to Carwyn – leave or remain and to leave with or without a deal.

What do Corbyn and Leonard have to say about that?

I noticed the stark comparative figures between SNP and sLAB for the European elections between 2014 and 2019.

In short, over 5 years sLAB (under Murphy, Dugdale & Leonard) have lost 200,000 Voters to the SNP amounting to a real difference of 400,000 votes in terms of swing etc.

Leonard must stay. Keep living the lie.

On Sky news this morning a woman representing Labour said that the *compliance committee* should expel every member of the Labour party who didn’t or doesn’t vote Labour

That’s a heck of a lot of Scotland then

Who’s the cult now

A Brexit party man was interviewed by Adam Boulton and the Brexit man said the *whole country* want’s Brexit because they won the election
Adam Boulton said “well clearly Scotland and Northern Ireland don’t want it because you didn’t win there”

The Brexit man answered this by smirking and waving his hand in a dismissive manner
The words he didn’t say were *Scotland and Northern Ireland don’t count*

@Patrick Roden 12:16am
Though I can’t speak for your particular instance I can, anecdotally, for a few others of my acquaintance.
It turns out that many Scots actually have a soft spot for Scotland despite also being wedded to the Union. The relentless attacks on Scotland are not welcome. The message spilled from anti-SNP to anti-Scotland. Labour had been perceived as being a bulwark against the more rabid Tory elements, but instead joined them in these attacks. That’s been said often here and elsewhere too.

At first it seems it’s precisely the lack of standing up for Scotland and defending against harsh Tory policies which caused the rift. It gets a little interesting though – the hazy idea is : ‘there was always going to be a Union forever anyway and that was fine, so “Scottish Labour” were to operate for Scotland within it’. But the shift to being a Unionist party was also the problem for “Scottish Labour”. They were not previously perceived as ‘defenders of the Union’ first and foremost – that was not their function. The Union in this case, was a permanent concept which was another domain entirely and of no concern of Scotland, merely something superimposed on Scotland. “Scottish Labour” were supposed to be defenders of the workie and the constituency in Scotland.

Previously, there was no SNP, there had been no alternative. “Scottish Labour” was the Scottish party. then in seemingly short order, the SNP arose and started doing Scottish Labours job, while “Scottish Labour” became the London Labour Unionist Party – So not merely poor defenders, they morphed into London Labour and became strangers to Scotland – at least this seems the vague idea. Even at constituency level, they jumped into bed with the Tories rather than working with the SNP, a big betrayal.
That was the general distillation from a few lifelong Labour voters I’ve spoken with. Yes we know there is no such thing as “Scottish Labour” but that is today – for Labour supporters in the past, there appparently was and that Scottish party is gone – that makes them very sad.

I would never vote for any party other than SNP till Scotland becomes an independent nation. And even after that,I’d have to seriously think about it.

” · European Council president Donald Tusk says that he believes that the recent European Parliament elections have shown that Brexit has been a vaccine against anti-EU propaganda. “

On one level, he’s right. Leaving the EU is a bloody stupid idea and has been shown to be just that.

However, on another level he hasn’t got it quite right. The chaos isn’t actually about leaving the EU, most of it is being caused by English Nationalist entitlement and exceptionalism with dose of total ignorance – they want the EU to give them what they want, and they also insist the whole UK accompanies England despite others not wishing to.

Add it this a completely incompetent opposition at WM from Labour.

Should any other country wish to leave the EU, it is highly unlikely they would make such a complete hash if it! They would probably do the planning before actually committing to leave!

link to irishtimes.com

While I’m enjoying watching Labour and the Tories disintegrate.

though I for one won’t be relaxing and will continue getting stuck into them at every opportunity.

James Kelly for Labour (Scottish Branch) first line manager job please!

Knowing him during his school days I am gob smacked that he has got anywhere near potentially gets his hands on the levers of power in Scotland.

Iain Mhor@10.29am

I am sure that in the minds of many older Labour supporters in Scotland they genuinely felt there was a genuine “Scottish” Labour in the past but it was just an illusion – a con trick. Labour was always a Britnat party controlled by London. I am sure there are a lot of sad Labour supporters. No one likes to think they have been conned for most of their life.

At least the Tories put Unionist in the name of the party. Labour did not as they had to maintain their illusion.

There are only two Scottish parties in Holyrood – SNP and Scottish Greens.

@McBoxheid says: 29 May, 2019 at 7:30 am:

” … If you follow orders from a foreign country’s (England: We are in a union with them, not part of them.)”

Sorry to point this out to you, McBoxheid, but you have begun this comment by setting off down the same wrong track as have the Westminster Establishment and that is fundamentally the real problem. The name of this political state is, “The United KINGDOM,” but you are commenting about it as if it is a union of countries. However, let’s read on.

” … We are in a union with them, not part of them.)

Exactly, but what we are in union with is a three country Kingdom of England and, unlike Wales and N.I. we are, (legally), an equally sovereign full partner kingdom along with the 3 country Kingdom of England. This makes Scotland’s case a great deal stronger than either Wales and N.I. However, both of the English Kingdom’s two annexed countries have strong, but different, cases for their independence.

” … politcal parties, when they are in melt down, the last thing they think about is other countries (Scotland, N.I. and Wales). They have to deal with their own domestic crisis first, before they have time to think about foreign policy (what to do in Scotland, N.I. and Wales).”

Now rethink that statement in the light of the United Kingdom being a two kingdom partnership of equally sovereign kingdoms. The Westminster Establishment has been a broken treaty since 1 May 1707 because the new parliament that sat that day was a two equally sovereign partnership of kingdoms but it continued as if it was still the old parliament of the Kingdom of England that had annexed the country of Scotland but the old parliament of the Kingdom of England had legally put itself into permanent recess from 30 April 1707.

That is the problem that has dogged, “The Union”, until this day and unless those opposing the union can see it as that then they weaken, or even lose, the whole sorry mess we find ourselves in today.

The very fact you are here looking at the problem as if the Union is what Westminster said it was on 1 May 1707 instead of what you see as a four country union of countries with the country of England ruling over three English dominions that England has devolved English sovereign powers to then you are just following the orders that Westminster is the real parliament of England when the truth is that Westminster is but the illegal, de facto, parliament of England.

In other words you are accepting what Westminster has brainwashed you to accept while the facts are that the United Kingdom is factually a two partner union of equally sovereign kingdoms and the proof of that pudding stares you in the face in, “The Treaty of Union”.

I’ll condense all that into one statement.

The Treaty of Union is the real legal Written Constitution of, “The United Kingdom”, but has never been honoured by the Kingdom of England since 1 May 1707.

So you are on the right track but need to begin the argument right at the start of the Union. A Union that has never been honoured by the Kingdom of England since day one of the Union.

That is a totally legally watertight case and the way forward is to show, as has already been done, that the union is a two partner union of kingdoms, not of countries, and that the people of Scotland are legally sovereign and want to end the Union as is their legal right as a sovereign people.

Last two links for today

link to barrheadboy.com

link to independent.co.uk

And he said that on National Television but I can’t find the bloody clip now…

Wee Ginger Dug has it…

link to weegingerdug.wordpress.com

@Dr Jim

Also at

link to mobile.twitter.com

The linked article from the Glasgow Herald reporting the creation of the SNP in 1934 and critiquing its aims is interesting.
link to news.google.com
For the 21st century Unionist parties time has stood still, Scotland needs England etc and its still all just about economics too.

Boris Johnston being taken to court for lying about the info on the big red bus prior to the EU referendum.

Well if Britnats are going to be taken to court for lying the courts are going to be very busy for a long time.

Let’s see some of the Scot Britnats in a Scottish court for lying to the people of Scotland.

The “Cringe” should be developed into a dance with a set of agreed and defined moves. The head should be lowered and the eyes facing the ground. One arm should be politely raised as if asking permission then stretched out as if wiping a colonial master’s backside.

It some choreographer could work on it, it could become as impressive as a Busby Berkeley music. Instead of “Gold Diggers of 1933”, it could be “Arse Lickers of 2019”.

In place of Ginger Rodgers and Fred Astaire, we could look forward to the slnky moves of Willie Rennie, Ruth Davidson and whoever has been left to switch off the lights for Labour. I take it we won’t be having Neil Findlay as a dashing Gene Kelly.

@robert peffers@11.02am

It seems unbelievable that you still have to explain the constitutional reality of the United Kingdom on here, but i suppose if it is still helping, then it is still worth repeating.

I would suggest that Devolution is the ultimate breach of the treaty of union, as WM has never had the proper authority to devolve power from a Parliament that Scotland is a legally equal founding partner of.

Its like devolving power from yourself, to yourself.

Bit of an error by WM unionists, as it gave our Sovereign People political recourse.

As you often say, robert, when Holyrood was announced as the reconvened Scottish Parliament, rather than the ‘new’ parliament, was a seminal moment for the indy cause.

I wonder how certain naysayers on here will choose to comment later on today after the indyref legislation statement this afternoon ?

You know, how the SNP are “doing nothing”.

Gus1940@11.13am

Spot on comment. I also saw this programme. Londoners will have to wear their wellies going to work in future decades.

The only point I would add to your post is that a figure of £4 billion was quoted for the PART of the work that was for more drainage tunnels under London.

Scotlands oil money being used to keep Londoners dry.

Brussels is moving to break up the team that negotiated Theresa May’s Brexit deal, in the most concrete sign yet that the EU has absolutely no intention of re-opening talks on the treaty. (From Independent).

And still, Tory leadership candidates fantasise (or lie) about changing the backstop.

I am on board with breaking the Treaty of Union but I have 2 questions:

a) Was it not an incorporating union from which it is not possible to pull out?
b) Why do we never hear the SNP talk about it, even if only to educate the English that it was a union of two countries?

Breeks @ 12:11,

It seems that people are finally catching on to Flip-flop Gal, so maybe the tipping point for tolerance of this kind of ingratiating self-loathing will soon be reached.

It’s not even as if they are personally getting paid for this kind of thing, though their sham autonomous branch offices certainly are. They forelock-tug for free, for a few cheap laughs from their “betters”. In Ruthie’s case, not exactly compatible with her preferred media persona as “feisty”.

But then, her much-promoted 13-strong little band haven’t ever “gone over the top” for Scotland, have they? Cowered in their deep little trench, more like.

geeo says:
29 May, 2019 at 12:02 pm

@robert peffers@11.02am

It seems unbelievable that you still have to explain the constitutional reality of the United Kingdom on here, but i suppose if it is still helping, then it is still worth repeating.
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Did you even read my post?

I am well aware of the contitutional reality of the United Kingdom. Modern political precendence is also relevant to the current set up, as I went to explain in my later post.

Christ almighty, every time someone mentions the union that is the United Kingdom, but doesn’t quote chapter and verse, then they are pulled up by the constitutional thought police. I was talking about the unionist labour party and the political reality and did not want to go into the ins and outs of the union of crowns, the union of parliament and all of the relevant treaties with all the dots crossed, because my post was long enough and it wasn’t essential to put my point of view across.

Your attitude puts people off posting and contributing in their way.
I didn’t realise this was a club and posts had to be vetted espressly by you. May be if you relaxed a bit, then more lurkers would actually contribute on here.

Labour always call themselves the party of devolution

Huge monster big fat lie when it happened then and a big fat lie now

Tony Blair’s *devolution* deal with another Scottish cringer Donald Dewar was a Scottish pretendy parliament for Labour to keep carrying out the wishes of the London Tory party in exchange for 6.000 square miles of Scottish waters containing, you guessed it OIL, but this oil was to be English oil not UK sharing oot oil, but English oil, ooh and gas

You’ll hear Unionists saying the SNP were against devolution, well at first they damn well were and you can see why, the SNP were against the theft of Scotland’s oil that’s why, and they were against the stitch up between London and the great Scottish cringers like Dewar who’s only single intention behind devolution was he believed a cementing of fiefdom over Scotland for the Labour party forever more, maybe some haven’t figured out why Labour hate the SNP so much, well that’s why

The SNP wanted Independence then and think of where we’d have been if Labour had really been on the side of Scotland

Donald Dewar and the Labour party in Scotland helped the Tories in England rob Scotland and it’s people of £billions of an income that should have been ours in our own Independent Land

That’s the legacy of Labour

There are Scots out there to this day who’ll say *Aye but it’s too late noo*

It’s never too late to put a wrong right, it’s just about having the guts to do it and stop lying down

If a wee Lassie from Ayr can work hard and rise to be First Minister of my country and take all the abusive shit she takes every day on my behalf then I can at least stand behind her and offer her every support I can to get our country back, even if it’s just leaflets through a door I’m right there

Boris going to court, so lying to the public during the constitutional process could be deemed criminal, are you watch this better together and your media enablers.

@ Greannach says at 11:47 am … ”The “Cringe” should be developed into a dance with a set of agreed and defined moves. The head should be lowered and the eyes facing the ground. One arm should be politely raised as if asking permission then stretched out as if wiping a colonial master’s backside. It some choreographer could work on it, it could become as impressive as a Busby Berkeley music. Instead of “Gold Diggers of 1933”, it could be “Arse Lickers of 2019”. In place of Ginger Rodgers and Fred Astaire, we could look forward to the slinky moves of Willie Rennie, Ruth Davidson and whoever has been left to switch off the lights for Labour. I take it we won’t be having Neil Findlay as a dashing Gene Kelly.”

“Arse Lickers of 2019.” Brilliant idea Greannach. I LOVE it. This is the kind of thing that we should be doing. Going on the offensive, turning the tables on them and getting our message across whilst having great fun all over Scotland too. Wouldn’t the ‘Cringe’ go down well at AUOB marches? Meanwhile we’ll continue to listen to the brilliant ‘Cap in Hand.’

link to youtube.com

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C’mon Scots get off of your knees, FGS. NOW is the time to get out of this farce of a ‘Union’ following over 300 years of subjugation. Make an effort to enlighten yourself as to how rich Scotland is in relation to our manifold resources and assets, question the lies, fake news and propaganda that’s being fed to you on a daily basis and then buck yourself up to protect our beautiful country and the future of our children and grandchildren from the highly corrupt Establishment down south. We CAN do it with YOUR help.

link to youtube.com

call me dave @ 12:21,

Oh, and I also detected a hint of a change in Brian’s attitude. In that interview with Toom Tabard, where he clearly started losing patience with the government tea-boy buffoon’s manifest truth inversions.

The internet has a long memory, and is helping keep them honest. Not least of all WoS.

I WILL 100% VOTE FOR (James Kelly), he is the closest to a figure both visually and verbally from Trumpton that Labour have got.

He is an absolute ‘shoe’ in, once someone ties his laces for him.

James Kelly for top labour “thingy ma boab”.

@RJS

Aye – ah can see it’s “clever”. Good to have the right to hold our own referendums passed in law at HR defining the franchise etc.

I just felt it was being touted as THE ‘IR2 Bill’ and it’s a good bit short from that. When the akchul IR2 Bill is passed by HR and goes to Lizzie for Royal Assent, I think that is when things will really kick-off.

Hope Feorlean has more to say at 1:30pm.

Proud Cybernat @ 13:06,

I don’t know enough about these things, but there may be no need now for an “IR2 Bill”. It may only require an executive order to apply the present bill to the purpose.

But maybe someone else knows more…?

@ Proud Cybernat says at 1:06 pm …”When the akchul IR2 Bill is passed by HR and goes to Lizzie for Royal Assent, I think that is when things will really kick-off.”

Let’s hope that Lizzie doesn’t pop her clogs before then PC or the Establishment come up with some kind of ”she’s indisposed’ excuse. And no doubt if she does sign it and we get our Independence Scotland will be accused of ‘doing her in’, lol, when she does head off to join her maker aged 93 plus.

If it is correct the Presiding Officer and Lord Advocate have signed off the IR2 Bill then that deals with the legal objections to the competence of the referendum. It still leaves Westminster legislating to prevent it and/or the Tories telling their [remaining – no pun intended] voters to boycott. But still a tall hurdle passed

Looks like a crowd finder might be needed for Alyn Smith. The Brexit party is threatening legal action over his money landerers comment.

Apparently, the IR Bill is in fact a R Bill, general Referendums, and doesn’t mention Independence. Sneaky 🙂

link to twitter.com

galamcennalath at 1223pm,

The whole lot of them Gove, Theresa May Raab, etc.. should be put in jail. The utterly criminal destruction of uk industry and wanton waste caused simply because the Tory party cannot agree within themselves on the EU.

But the two biggest wasters, who have wasted more money and caused most harm to the entire UK are Farage and Chris Grayling. Paying for Ferry contracts with NO FERRIES, continually screwing up policies at great expense to taxpayers, and so on. And Farage for everything that he denies he has done. Methinks the judge might want to dust off his now-retired black cap for them.

N.B. I speak in jest, of course, regarding the black cap – afore anybody starts greetin etc…They don’t hang people at present in England.

@BDTT –

Have just seen the Evening Times poll you mentioned earlier. It’s a new one, very slightly different question. Perhaps they didn’t like the way yesterday’s was going.

The ‘new/improved’ poll asks ‘How would you vote in a second Scottish independence referendum?’

Votes cast so far, 8,521.

47% Yes
53% No

Here’s the link for those who would like to underscore the 66% Yes response recorded in the previous poll.

link to twitter.com

“ This bill is about the “diktat of ministers”, Tomkins adds, asking why ministers should determine questions and not the parliament.

He brands the bill a “Torjan horse for a wildcast indyref2”.”

As if, perish the thought 😎

Capella @13.40 Thanks for the link . . . . Went straight to it . .. . . Mike Russell head and shoulders above the opposition.

Ian Brotherhood @1.49. Looks like you need a twitter account to vote.

like ruth the mooth, richard has been humiliated so much that going back on their word comes as easy as breathing

Mike Russell very good.

He calls (as Nicola did) for cooperation. He almost certainly believes there will be absolutely no cooperation from the Tories.

I suspect this tone of willingness to hear other views is made intentionally on the basis that they don’t actually expect it to be forthcoming from the more extreme BritNats.

I have always suspected the same for input of the devolved governments into the Brexit process, and willingness to compromise on the outcome. The SNP always knew the Tories would have none of it!

There’s a pattern and that means there’s a plan.

Patience is difficult, though!

yesindyref2 @ 14:02,

For once I agree with “Two-Jobs”.

I see Sarah Smith has got her hands on the updated shortbread website article on the referendum bill.

That’s us telt! 🙂

PS:
TV News says that both Wales and Scotland put more money into social care than in England.

I read the other day of a council in England introducing a charge of about £29.00 to assist fallen pensioners in their homes to get back up again. 🙁

Here’s Mike Russell’s statement for anyone who missed it

link to youtube.com

The Yes movement riling themselves up along with others helping them to rile themselves up over the FMs inability to wave her magic wand the way they want her to are all leaving the SNP and deciding that they will just get Indepndence themselves

Well I’m all for them telling me who and how all these Robin Hoods and their merry men will go about this marvellous feat that they say they can achieve better and quicker than our elected members of parliament and the FM who leads them

It never seems to occur to all these shouters that the FM might know something they don’t know or that her plans don’t include blabbing them all over social media

If I could just suggest for a moment that just because articles appear in Newspapers usually written by Yoon Goons deliberately designed to wind people up, that they please stop paying attention to the very media we all know lies all of the time

Stop falling for propaganda, they’re using the same tactic on you as they do with Unionists, and you’re being as gullible as them

Alex Salmond was great of course he was, but he did tend to blab, and while it was great for the troops everybody and his dog knew what he was planning, this FM will not blab until she’s 100% guaranteed her blab wins

If the FM fails then you’ve got a point, until then we don’t know Nuthin and they don’t know Nuthin and in my book that’s a good way to pick a fight and win it

SNP email from Nicola just arrived ….

Earlier today we published the draft legislation that will pave the way for a new referendum on Scottish independence.

Nicola Sturgeon
SNP Leader

@McBoxheid says: 29 May, 2019 at 12:33 pm:

… Did you even read my post?”

First of all just which of the two commenters you indicated in this reply are you addressing your current remarks?

However I will, going by the context, assume it is me.

” … I am well aware of the contitutional reality of the United Kingdom. Modern political precendence is also relevant to the current set up, as I went to explain in my later post.”

Err! When a reply is made to a current comment the replier has obviously not yet read your further comments.

The content of your comment replied to clearly shows you do not know the constitutional reality. Rather that you seemed to refer to the, actually illegal, constitutional actuality. i.e. The situation where the English Kingdom, while calling itself the United Kingdom, has taken it upon itself to devolve the powers if the Kingdom of England down to, not only the two pre-union annexed countries of the Kingdom of England, but also to the only equally sovereign partner kingdom in the United Kingdom”.

That, McBoxheid, is the actual, illegal, constitutional reality we are dealing with today.

This was best, and most clearly, demonstrated in a paper commissioned by Westminster in which two claimed experts claimed this, “That the Treaty of Union Extinguished the Kingdom of Scotland and renamed the Kingdom of England as the United Kingdom”. This is quite simply a lie and is not mentioned in the Treaty of Union.

This claim should have set in motion a legal process via inter5national courts that the Treaty of Union was void, but it didn’t. Mainly because few people knew about the Westminster commissioned paper and the media made damned sure they didn’t.

However, the claim was then made on national TV by no less an official person than the Secretary of State for against Scotland, David Mundell.

Here he is on TV admitting it:-

link to youtube.com

… Christ almighty, every time someone mentions the union that is the United Kingdom, but doesn’t quote chapter and verse, then they are pulled up by the constitutional thought police.”

First of all I believe Christ had nothing to do with it. Second if you do not want corrected for mistakes then do not make them. Third there are no, “Constitutional Though Police”, but there are a few Wingers, me included, who do correct those who promulgate unionist propaganda for the unionist cause.

I accept that most often this may be done innocently as a result of a lifetime being subjected to unionist propaganda. However, for whatever reason, the obviously quite simple use of the wrong terms is counter productive. It seems like it may be harder to give up than for an addict to stop smoking or an alcoholic give up booze.

… I was talking about the unionist labour party and the political reality and did not want to go into the ins and outs of the union of crowns, the union of parliament and all of the relevant treaties with all the dots crossed”

Now you are exaggerating but, Hey! Whatever floats your boat. In any case you could have made your point more clearly simply by the use of the correct term for the correct entity in the first place.

Is it any harder to call a kingdom a kingdom than to wrongly call it a country, (of course only Scotland within the United Kingdom is both a kingdom and a country), are there is the problem. Think on this – if everyone in Scotland when speaking or writing about Scotland in relation to the union were to make it clear that Scotland was a kingdom and thus an equal partner in the union it would soon be the norm to regard Scotland as a partner and not a region of England.

If getting folks to discard their brainwashed thoughts and language, ” … puts people off posting and contributing in their way”, then perhaps they might, instead of taking umbrage, think a bit before propagating unionist propaganda.

Don’t you get it even yet? A big part of how Westminster has managed to cow and overrule Scots and Scotland is totally down to the way they have fixed certain ideas in their minds.

Not just by telling lies, not telling people the facts but how they think about the entire set up that is the United Kingdom.

The quicker Scots start to think of Scotland as a fully equally sovereign partner kingdom in the United Kingdom and Westminster as The United Kingdom government and not the government of England the sooner Scotland will be free.

You can complain all you want to and call me all the names you wish but I’ll tell you this – you will never upset me.

Thing is I know I’m right and all you need to do is read through Wings on almost any topic that Rev Stu has posted and you will see, probably the most obvious wrong thinking. references made to the Westminster Parliament as if it were the actual parliament of England – get this right – there is no such parliament.

England has no legal parliament and believe it or not the English are probably more aware of that than the Scots are. There is after all pressure groups calling for an independent parliament of England. Although Westminster acts as if it was the English parliament and sovereign over Scotland it is neither.

@ Iain moir,

Very interesting Iain, and makes a lot of sense.

@Dan says: 29 May, 2019 at 12:34 pm:

” … Hmm, yet they don’t appear to have a problem with some politicians getting drunk on subsidised drink at the “big parliament” and stealing things.”

Worse than that, Dan, “they don’t appear to have a problem with some politicians getting drunk on subsidised drink at the “big parliament” and stealing feeling, ‘things’.”