Wings Over Scotland

Says it all really. Hope to be going to the march in Glasgow next Saturday although at this stage I can’t see independence coming in my lifetime (I’m now 74). Have to do something to register my protest about Chuck and his panto down south!

Aye, whit a waste.

He could at least have said “Now is not the time” when the stone was requested.

Stooge-uf Hummer and Hawer

And now the SNP are “playing the long game” in the quest for independence. I really couldn’t hate these treacherous, trough-slurping bstrds any more if I tried. I hope every last one of them is booted out at the next WM GE.

Doesn’t really matter who replaces them as the effect on independence will be the same no matter who gets in.

Brilliantly put article, Stuart. Just look at him in that picture at the end of the article, talk about obedient? He’s every bit a London gopher as Douglas Ross & Anas Sarwar. He makes me sick. His actions are embarrassing. NOT IN MY NAME!

A lot of people are waking up to the fact that there aren’t any political solutions anymore. Western politics is, in truth, carefully cultivated to keep you (dear reader) from having any influence whatsoever over what your governments do.

You get to choose between various identikit parties with slightly different logos and the exact same overarching agenda.

That’s why it’s all grinning idiots talking bollocks all the time now. That’s why we have identity politics in place of real issues.

When was the last time your vote made any difference whatsoever? Never, am I right?

The Emperor’s naked, slabbering, and openly playing with his twanger now. Because we no longer live in a representative democracy in any real sense, we have to wait for “events”.

But in the meantime, let’s stop pretending these people have any legitimacy. They don’t work for us and they don’t even like us.

Yes, indeed, Rev. On the one hand, we have a FM whose ancestors are Pakistani, and on the other, a PM whose ancestors are Indian – two if the worst treated nations in the history of the Empire. Both are collaborators. Shame. Humza could have sent a secret request to Sunak to request a quid pro quo, as you suggest. He would have offered something – maybe not the right to have a permanent S30 Order because we are not NI which they would like to rid themselves of in the longer term, but something that we could have used as leverage with the Scottish people. Yet another opportunity lost. This is the 2014 to the present SNP legacy: lost opportunities, lack of nous and a willingness to capitulate easily, without a murmur.

David Beveridge says on 30 April 2023 at 1:16 pm: “I hope every last one of them is booted out at the next WM GE. Doesn’t really matter who replaces them as the effect on independence will be the same no matter who gets in.”

That’s why it is imperative we start, NOW, driving a campaign for indy supporters to boycott Westminster elections. None of this tactical voting shit because i, like many other real indy supporters, would *NEVER* in a million years vote for a Unionist. Not now, not ever. Start our campaign and leave Westminster elections to those who want Westminster, the Unionists. It has to start now so they understand another carrot being dangled just days from the election is not going to save their jobs.

I think we should be either boycotting them OR attending the polling stations and spoiling our ballots with something like Westminster’s not fit for purpose OR Westminster’s not a democracy, it’s a jailor. But whatever the message, boycott or spoil ballots, it has to be a consistent message with everyone singing from the same hymn sheet. We need to send the strongest message possible, in our hundreds of thousands.

And once Westminster has been taken care of, maybe then we could switch our focus to the Holyrood troughers? We’ve got nothing to lose because indy isn’t coming any time soon. Not with that lot of green slime infesting the trough. It’s time we, the voters, made ourselves a voice to be reckoned with. We must take the power away from these self-serving turncoat freeloaders.

Lorna Campbell says:
30 April, 2023 at 1:38 pm

Yes, indeed, Rev. On the one hand, we have a FM whose ancestors are Pakistani, and on the other, a PM whose ancestors are Indian

Were their ancestors supporters of independence of these countries or were they ‘BritNats’ who took all their money and went to the UK?

I think witholding the stone with demands would have come across as a bit petty, rude and aggressive. And pointless.

There is no King of Scotland or England. The merger of the crowns into the UK of GB was the act of a Scottish King, James VI, when he inherited the English throne. In case anybody was skiving off school the day they covered that.

The stone is symbolic and traditional, but not essential. None of of the paraphernalia is. Just need anointed and job done. The ceremony is just for show.

Remember, the Head of state has no say or power on matters of the Union. You can be as republican as you like, but it doesn’t make a jot of difference. Abolishing the monarchy changes nothing.

So Humza wasn’t wrong. Charles is being crowned King and head of state of all parts of UK. It’s part of our shared island history and we’ve been crowning Kings for over 1000 years. He’s as much a captive of history as anyone. Until that changes it’s right to show due respect to a tradition that is still an important event for many Scots.

Being polite, even to something you don’t believe in, is how civilised society works. Thinking it’s a good idea to do things to offend and provoke other traditions because they are not ‘Us’, is a bit Ulster.

It is a great ruse. I would have tweaked it to demand what the criteria for an indyref2 would be, post that court ruling, and should have been asked repeatedly by NS and Yousaf until Westminster are forced to answer (They could, heaven forfend, rather than grandstanding, even be actual clever politicians and negotiate the criteria! It is what Salmond would do, and succeed in).

Of course NS would never have withed the stone either, but in both their cases it is not stupidity, but cowardice. The SNP is the Mark Selby of politics (or tellingly, Higgins or McGill), not Ronnie, Si or Luca Brecel

“Can’t risk lending the thing because of past experiences of parting with it, but feel free to have your big do in Edinburgh if you want”

The idea of Humza doing any of that is unbelievable. It was far more fitting that he should play the part of the the right royal spare prick. He looked properly uncomfortable standing at attention in correct military mode. (Must have practiced for ages. Could he not at least have put his hands in his pockets and looked bored? Or scratched his bum?) He looked embarrassingly servile to me which is what is required before royalty I suppose.

The whole royal pantomime is ludicrous with their absurd rituals. I can’t think why people don’t burst out laughing at the royal paraphernalia – Sword of Power, Cloak of Invisibility or… whatever. I won’t be watching but it must be comedy gold for the rest of the world. What a farce.

I hope it’s true that Alex Salmond isn’t going after all.

The only thing missing from the political cat-walk was the dog-lead to Humza’s neck from the tubby behind him.

He was so pleased to do his masters bidding, a true Vichy trayt*r to the pantomime of English Monarchy.

Even the briefest of hesitations in allowing the stone to be removed would be light years away from where we are today. Total and absolute obedience is what the colonial administration offers. Perhaps they realise it themselves, but most likely they do not.

What if the stone was moved to a safe place. Would that be the short heard round the world, for a new era?

The opinion of 72% of folk RESIDENT in Scotland on the impending Coronation lies on a spectrum between meh and naw. If differential opinions between Scotland and England on the Monarchy are similar to previous occasions, 79% of autochthonous Scots are anti- monarchy. The ideal campaigning, proxy vehicle and one Yousaf has spurned.

That last photo is an instant classic. Looking forward to SNP cultists telling us how it’s a step forward for independence.

On a point of fact, Chas will be King of Scotland though, won’t he?

If Brenda had named him James, as things stand he’d be James the 8th and 3rd. Or have I got that wrong?

Oh and surely that’s one of at least two “Stones Of Destiny” and may well be a lump of concrete those students made?

Until proved otherwise, it seems all in nationalist politics cannot be trusted.
Every freedom movement in history has been faced with the «duplicity» of its executives.
Sometimes, such a realization is cathartic, assuming there are those with the wit to recognize the fact.

Does anyone know if the Scottish Parish Council (AKA ScotGov) was asked for the stone, or did they just say we’ll be collecting it on Sunday. Oh, and your FM can come if he wants!

“Perhaps its leader shouldn’t be in such a rush to fold what few cards it has left.”

To be honest, Stuart, I think the SNP threw in their hand a long time ago. I’m surprised Hazmat Useless didn’t take it upon himself to personally drive the Stone of Destiny down to London in the back of his car although maybe he doesn’t have insurance!

I would just take slight issue with the following: “And what could the UK government have done? Declined to use the stone in the ceremony, undermining Charles’ right to reign over Scotland?” From my understanding, as Sara Salyers has explained, the coronation is a specifically English – and not a Scottish or even a UK – coronation. Charles is accepting only the English Crown and as such his right to reign over Scotland cannot be undermined because he has no such right until he takes “the Scottish oath which is required by Scots law for any legitimate monarch.” Therefore, the use of Scotland’s coronation stone at the English coronation is purely symbolic – to symbolise the implied subjugation of Scotland by England and maintain “a false claim to ownership of that nation and the legal fiction, the fraud, that justifies the theft of Scotland’s territorial assets.” Seen in this light it makes Hazmat Useless’ acquiescence all the more appalling.

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

It’s some distance frae his gaff. That’s nae around here in the Ferry. Craigie maybe or points similar.

Naebody has chapped my door here in the Ferry. Been in brewing all day.

“Thinking it’s a good idea to do things to offend and provoke other traditions because they are not ‘Us’, is a bit Ulster.”
Oh right. Ulster. That wee bit of the UK that managed to get a better Brexit deal without a working government than we did with one. Gosh, lets not do an “ulster” and offend folk.
Bollocks tae that!

I doubt it even crossed his mind to do anything other than meekly comply.

The real statesman of Scotland is Alex Salmond. He’s a member of the Royals council.

For weeks and months before big Eck was saying we should create a stooshie around the fake cover stone of destiny.

I bet you the Royals respect Alex Salmond. He stands up for what he believes in. He’s principled and a great Scottish historian. He makes you proud to he Scottish listening to him.

If you listen to Alex Salmond. He gives the SNP ideas time and time again. He hands them the opportunity to advance the cause of independence on a plate for them. Does all the work. The wee Alba Road show.

And the SNP don’t listen.

Yousless isn’t fit to lace Alex Salmond’s boots. I tell you that for a fact. I’ll take my advice from Alex Salmond. The real leader of Scottish independence.

Not this fawning gibbering imbecile Yousless. The fake False First minister, a Westminster Royal nodding dog.

link to youtube.com

Cathcart SNP raised £600,000 today for Independence by “The Nicola” appearing.
I now understand why the carrots work.
This must be the cover story for the missing money being put back into the accounts.

link to twitter.com

Agree 100% with Ian @1:01

.. with the caveat (re my possible mis extrapolation of a line in the article) that its presumably not Charlie’s right to reign over SCOTLAND that would be undermined by any failure to be crowned over a stone said to have been hidden* (and quite possibly still remaining) somewhere in the Knapdale countryside

*That particular stone having been used to lend credibility to the crowning ceremony of every King of England from the French Plantagenet (Edward II) to the Welsh Tudor (Henry VIII)

Devomax and the remnant of SNP or close Holyrood?

Deal or no deal?

Be as well issuing the P45’s, now.

A well discussed article summing Yousaf as the complete useless FM he is.
No easy way to reach independence in the short tl medium term.
I just hope Alba have enough candidates both for the next GE and for Holyrood.

Jesus Christ. You and your posters have really lost it on this one. Imagine what the obstruction would have engendered – apart from the international press condeming the prissy, spoilt reaction of a people who had already been granted a say on Union, and decisively rejected its breakup – the eternal emnity of your biggest trading and constitutional partner. Do you really think, having rejected independence in 2014 (“a once in a generation referendum”), people would have been persuaded of the moral correctness of your actions? Would the 55%? I understand that you hate Yousaf, but really. Be positive, not this low.

My mother’s first attempt at scones was a disaster.
Scone of Stone!
Even those items despatched to England for the royal butt would be way too much….never mind the real (or maybe not real) thing.
The semiotics of Unionism are all about crushing those rebellious Scots.
ENEUCH! already…

Just in the interests of science,how does he stand to attention without a spinal column.

The only concern is «independence».
The «how» should not be hobbled by legalist caveats.
A more gutsy approach please.

The Continuity colonial arse licker. However, let them have the cludgy stone. This charade will be over soon, then we can get back to business. Thinking hummer would man up and act like a true Scot is a stretch. Imagine if st nic was still in place, how bad she would have looked. Sadly though, AS still going to the event, what’s that all about?

All those Scots attending the English coronation are declaring themselves to be subject to the English Crown, and all those Scots participating in the celebrations are celebrating the crowning of an English monarch. There is a word for them but Stuart’s filter doesn’t allow it!

More woes for the treacherous SNP.

“The UK’s elections watchdog may impose its own auditors on the SNP to probe its finances amid mounting fears that the party will miss legal deadlines to produce verified accounts.

The Sunday Telegraph understands that internal discussions have already taken place at the Electoral Commission about how it would take the unprecedented step, which is all allowed for under British law but has never happened before.”

link to msn.com

“Yousaf also, of course, controls the Scottish police”

Doesn’t our colonial police force swear an allegiance to the English crown and not to the people of Scotland Just like our politicians do?

Meanwhile the current Archbishop of Canterbury urges you to publicly swear an oath of allegiance to King Charles III on the 6th of May. He and Charlie boy can shove the oath where the sun doesn’t shine.

Meanwhile why hasn’t Sturgeon been taken in for questioning the other two have, so get your f*ckin finger out Police Scotland and get her in for questioning pronto.

We are watching Police Scotland.

“The SNP’s most recent accounts, for 2021, show that the party recorded a deficit of £751,572. The three people named as “party officers” on the accounts are Mr Murrell, Mr Beattie and Ms Sturgeon, with the former first minister the only one of the three not to have been arrested or questioned by police.”

” Imagine what the obstruction would have engendered – apart from the international press condeming the prissy, spoilt reaction of a people who had already been granted a say on Union, and decisively rejected its breakup – the eternal emnity of your biggest trading and constitutional partner. Do you really think, having rejected independence in 2014 ”

Aye , imagine that , eh ? All our great pals in MSM and elsewhere would be SO disappointed in us : we may never have been invited to any of Winsor Inc’s fantastic parties again .

Fuck the MSM , fuck the Unionist Establishment n fuck the decrepit anachronism that is the so-called * Royal Family .

And we don’t need any instructions on how we should behave from you , or anyone else

Ottomanboi says:
30 April, 2023 at 6:07 pm

There is no such entity as «respectable» nationalism.
Dirty, messy and possibly rather bloody is normative.
Scotland come down to planet Earth.
Button up «presbyterianism» just does not cut it.

Do you consider yourself a Scottish nationalist?

Time to clue some others into the falsehood of what rights humsaf actually has in a non legal Scotland act.

First there is England parliament Triennial Act of 1694.

This Act required the parliament of England to meet annually and to hold general elections once every three years,

Wikipedia as source of information which directs you to historical record links in blue print.

The 4th and last session of the 2nd english parliament of Queen Anne, held NO fresh in England and Wales,
Existing members of the House of Commons of Englands parliament sat as members of the new Great britain parliament.
On the 1st May from 1706/07 respectively Englands parliament was continuous as the longest running parliament until today.

According to a clause of the Acts of Union Queen Anne had until the 1st May to convert the current sitting members of the English parliament into members of the British parliament. Otherwise she would have to call fresh elections,

In her closing speech on the 24th April Queen Anne informed the English parliament members of her intention to excercise the Treaty clause before the 1st of May, and have current members of the English parliament sit in the first British parliament,
After the speech, at Queen Annes command the English parliament was prorogued until the 30th of April,
On the 29th of April as promised in her speech, Queen Anne invoked the clause of the Acy of union reviving the English parliament by Proclamation.
The English/ British parliament did not meet/ sit until 23 October 1707.

Some argued that the English parliament still existed due to it not having writs and summons along with the same unelected members of the old English Westminster parliament.
Others opposed this view,
However their arguments were later dispproved.

It was not immediately clear, for the purposes of the the English parliaments 1694 Triennial Act.
Wether the first of Great Britain would count as a continuous parliament of England or a new parliament that had already sat for two years out of the require three with no writs and no summoning.
This answer was provided when the English parliament continued until its expiry date on June 1708.
Thereafter it was argued it would have to be dissolved and new elections called before the English parliament Triennial deadline.

From records in the Statutes of the Realm( official collection) it does not differentiate between the two parliaments Englands and Britains parliament.
It lists both sessions on the same roll, merged into one, with the ladt English Statute labelled 6Ann .c. 3 4
And the first British parliament Statute labelled 6 Ann. c . 3 5.

However the Scottish parliament doors closed on the under Sin die,
And as the UK parliament states in 2023 the Scottish parliament extinguished itself from the treaty of union due to the ratifications

The result being that the English parliament continued into the treaty of the Union on it own.

Effijy.

I’m not into football except for watching and hoping our national team does well, but that was spot on. Scots are sovereign in Scotland not some English King.

There is very little historical wriggle room here as to which kingdom’s ? are actually in the treaty of union.

Humsaf, the Snp, the devolved government and the Scotland Act, are all very legally questionable positions if Scotlands parliament cannot be found in the treaty of union since the 1st May 1707, as Englands parliament is.

SNP ready to declare UDI.

Unilateral Declaration of Insolvency!

Westminster appointed auditors to rule on the decision.

@Brian Doonthetoon 6:17pm
I was being kind I don’t want any Trans guys turning up on my doorstep. So if Humza is a reverse Peter Principle he was incapable of his first ministerial position. Which was a Transport Minister in charge of the Ferguson Marine Ferries. I am cutting him some slack as FM. What a shambles he has inherited. But is he that incompetent that he had no knowledge of Sturgeon. I called it her out in 2015. And some of the people in the campaign photograph know me. They should have known better. Clear the decks Humza with a Holyrood Election. Polls say you should win a majority. I backing you will lose power.

Republicofscotland, Craig Murray in his submission to the UN regarding his Trial and Jailing states that Sturgeon has been questioned by the Police.

“You and your posters have really lost it on this one”
Other than the dignity Yousaf’s cowardly attitude has made us lose, what else have we lost?

“Imagine what the obstruction would have engendered”
What would have engendered? Charles would have to get into a car and be coronated in Scotland. Big deal! He does not seem to have a problem to come here for any other reason.

And What right does anybody other than Scotland itself as a nation have to determine where Scotland’s stone go?

When did the spineless current FM asked us if we wanted the stone to be sent to another country?

“international press condeming the prissy, spoilt reaction…”

Other than the bubble in England, how many people around the world actually gives a shit about an English king having to sit above Scotland’s stone to symbolise its subjugation and to keep the illusion of a “union of crowns” that is only artificially maintained by the treaty of union?

Where was the international press in the last 8 years when England MPs, Nicola Sturgeon and the crown bulldozed democracy, the articles of the Treaty of Union and our Claim of Right in order to force on us their stupid brexit?

I don’t recall that “righteous” international press doing anything about it. Why would this be any different, then?

It seems that Scotland is a unique country in the world in the sense that it has to allow and even “embrace positively” being constantily ransacked and patronised by England’s unelected lords, aristocrats and MPs. Now, it seems, according to you, we have to “celebrate” being patronised by Murdoch and other press magnates.

It seems the rule is that everybody’s opinion about Scotland’s business needs, must be considered before our own. Who decided that rule and when did the people of Scotland consented to that rule?

“a people who had already been granted a say on Union”
“granted”, granted by whom? Who, other than the people of Scotland themselves, is in any position to “grant” Scotland “a say” in an international political union of which Scotland is a founding signatory?
Nobody. And this would be what we would see if instead of self-serving, useless cowards leading Scotland we had proper politicians with a functional backbone and a sense of dignity and respect for their country

“and decisively rejected its breakup”
When support for independence was above 50% just a few weeks after the referendum, when Scotland sent 56 anti-union MPs to the union parliament less than a year after the vote and when you have to put a political fraud in control of the SNP and claim a few weeks before the GE election 2015 that a vote for the SNP is not a vote for independence, you cannot credibly claim Scotland “decesively rejected” its breakup.

The UK is a parliamentary democracy. In line with this, 56 anti-union MPs should have signified the end of the union. It is only because we have had political frauds in control of the SNP that this union has survived the last 8 years.

“the eternal emnity of your biggest trading and constitutional partner”

Don’t be ridiculous. England cannot afford “eternal emnity” with Scotland and lose a huge chunk of what it perceives to be its “internal” market nor Scotland’s assets to cover up the disaster of its stupid brexit.
That, together with ensuring the succession to the crown are some of the reasons why the SNP had to be hijacked and the COPFS exposed as a totally corrupt crown entity to stop independence.

“Do you really think, having rejected independence in 2014 (“a once in a generation referendum”), people would have been persuaded of the moral correctness of your actions?”

Which people do you have in mind? Everybody but Scotland? Does anybody dare to tell Germany, France, Italy, Spain, China or the USA how to manage their effing rocks? So what makes you think Scotland has to accept a telling on how to manage its own assets?

“I understand that you hate Yousaf”
Attempting to make it personal in order to deflect from the real problem is a poor go at psychological blackmailing. This is a matter of watching how democracy in Scotland has been stomped all over to foist on Scotland as FM a numpty, already proven to be incompetent in several ministerial positions and who claims to be a republican but rushes to bend his knee to the crown and send Scotland’s stone of destiny to indulge an English king in their dreams of Scotland’s subjugation. This is a matter of imposing a useless candidate to make the SNP unelectable, so the powers that be can finally engineer the much sought after labour resurrection in Scotland to eliminate our anti-union MP majorityby force, because for 8 years they could have not achieved it in the lawful, democratic way.

“Be positive”
What do we have to be positive about? Watching how millions of taxpayers’ money are wasted in a lavish ceremony while people starve and freeze? Watching how a self-entitled English king sits over Scotland’s heritage to symbolise the subjugation of Scotland and keeping the illusion of a union?
Watching how the establishment uses its arms to bulldoze democracy to stop the end of the union so Scotland’s assets can continue to be ransacked because of a stupid brexit we did not vote for?

Or should we be positive about watching how the establishment manipulated the courts to allow perjurers get away with abusing their positions of power to put an innocent man in prison and because they failed, they are now desperate to get rid of juries?

Or should we be positive about watching in this toxic union the acceleration of the extinction of the native population of Scotland after several years of lower births than deaths and continuous influx of inmigrants from down south and from NI?

what exactly do we have to feel positive about in this union where democracy and our constitutional rights under the treaty are being bulldozed on a day to day basis in a quest to resurrect in Scotland the failed English model of right-left bipartite politics so this toxic union can survive?

Lenny Hartley, Ah spotted it there at the bottom of the article, thanks for that, hopefully her arrest will soon follow soon.

Michael forsyth arranged for the return of the stonebin the late 90s to quell support for independence.
HY handed it back in this millennium to quell support for independence.
Go figure.

Ammunition to provoke cognitive dissonance in your Monarchist acquaintances.
What did dowager Queen Mary know about Rudolph Hess parachuting onto Eaglesham moor on the 10th May 1941?
Why did the multiple copies of the detailed peace treaty Hess carried with him (ready to sign) include a provision to declare the Duke of Kent (King’s brother) King of Poland?
Why was Keeper of the Royal Gallery, Anthony Blunt sent to bombed out Germany in the summer of 1945? Why when Blunt was exposed as a Soviet spy was MI6 officer Peter Wright (tasked with interrogating Blunt) warned off by “the Palace” not to pursue this line of questioning?
Why did dowager Queen Mary “request” (read demand) all diplomatic dispatches be copied to the Palace? An unprecedented situation that outraged the Foreign Office, who out of the deference towards the Royals of the time felt obligated to comply with.

Background material: The Dungavel handicap. Lobster #81
Supplemental: The diaries of Henry “Chips” Channon. (review) Lobster #83

Reading material for a Bank holiday weekend. Have fun.

Stuart , on a different subject but linked, and with your forensic research abilities in mind, have you thought of researching the Pandora Papers and the Paradise Papers for connections to the Murrels ? I had a brief look, but didn’t have the time required.

@viv

Remember also that it was Anthony Blunt who went around buying up and collecting as many of Stephen Ward’s artworks as he could get his hands on after Ward’s conviction. Was Ward’s art significant also, or did it serve merely to embarrass some of his more blue-blooded subjects? Could it have represented the ledgers in a pencil and water-colours format?

There are long-held rumours that Blunt was, in fact, the bastard offspring of King George V and, indeed, there is a remarkable similarity between the young Blunt and George’s son, King Edward VIII.

Now I appreciate that this rather crude mock-up is proof of nothing save a rather basic understanding of PowerPoint; however, Blunt was appointed Surveyor of the King’s Pictures in 1945 despite his description just three years later, in 1948, as being “…our Russian spy” by the then King’s private secretary.

Likewise he was made a Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order in 1956 by the Queen despite the defection to Russia in 1951 of his close friends and fellow Cambridge alumni Guy Burgess and Donald Maclean.

Indeed, even when in 1964 Blunt confessed to his espionage activities he managed to secure immunity from prosecution and publicity and an agreement from the British government that his spying would remain secret. That secret lasted fifteen years before he was exposed in Parliament.

My point is; royal bastard or not, this man’s supposedly treasonous activities were common knowledge for a very long time, therefore, he clearly either had some serious shit on somebody or he was never a spy in the first place. It is telling then that in the sixties, after Blunt’s confession, the Queen’s private secretary said to MI5 immediately prior to an in-depth interrogation of Blunt:

“From time to time you may find Blunt referring to an assignment he undertook on behalf of the Palace – a visit to Germany at the end of the war. Please do not pursue this matter. Strictly speaking, it is not relevant to considerations of national security.”

Really? Just who the fuck is the Queen’s private secretary to determine what is, and what is not, a matter of national security.

The reality is that Blunt was engaged in wiping clean the royal arse; he was securing records that showed just how close the Duke of Windsor – the former King Edward VIII and Blunt’s doppelganger – was to Adolf Hitler. Records that showed that the Duke considered the war to have been a huge mistake and that, had he still of been King, it would not of taken place.

It is long overdue to write off the SNP completely as far as independence is concerned.

That includes the likes of Cherry and Regan.

Just as Labour could never be saved from the inside, the SNP cannot be saved from the inside.

O/T The anti-Corbyn Guardian which played a leading role in ousting him on false charges of anti-Semitism just published a vehemently anti-Semite cartoon depicting the BBC chairman who resigned, before withdrawing it without any apology.

Humza has been in a couple of weeks and has made himself look ridiculous to the point of being coming a joke.

He is doing as much as Nicola to destroy the movement

Westminster auditors to keep the lights on or shut up shop?

What would be worse… Devomax and remnant of SNP or party over completely for Devolution and Holyrood?

P45’s all round would be merciful, start from scratch, with London quota of MPs.

@ A Scot Abroad 2.02pm
You’re spot on about the craziness of this suggestion and any illegitimate declarations of independence.

I asked Stuart what could be done to further the cause of independence and he comes up with this pr gesture stuff. However your suggestion of negotiating a date for the next referendum seems like a good way forward. But it needs the saner nationalists to take charge to make it happen.

@Ian Stewart 10:16pm
I don’t agree with Stu on everything but I do on most things. Your post is late in the day. What’s your proposals then?. I am having to do a positioning paper on a return to public services of Utilities. A fraught proposal and 4 to 6 month’s preparation.And I am supposedly centre right wing. You would think SNP, LD, Labour, Tories would bite at the chance. After a Winter and Spring of cold temperatures. But no GRR and other social shit is priority. There will be an election soon to test SG priorities.

Yousaf will be raging. He’ll be accusing the Royals of being too white. He’ll be at back table with Nicola and Pete tucked away in the corner. Scorning at everyone. Billy no mates. Having abandoned his people in Glasgow instead of promising to attend.

As things stand; if Devolution is brought to an end; what’s most likely to bring that about; Tory’s binning the Scotland Act or SNP binning the Act of Union?

Would Tory intervention be such a shock?

Devomax (booby prize) a long shot.

Quite odd how the Sunday Mail have a pop at the Sturgeons every week, then the Record completely ignore them.

@Viv
I was pretty certain by details dropped here and there that you were a fellow Lobster reader.
Have you read Stephen Dorril and Robin Ramsay’s Smear? I keep getting stuck halfway due to various distractions but I’ve gone back to it recently.
In a few years when we know more and have even more distance, someone should attempt a parallel comparison between Harold Wilson’s PM-ship and the Alex Salmond stitch-up.
It’s interesting that Wilson is actually one of AS’s political ‘heroes’. I would like to hear AS explain at length why he rates Wilson so highly.
Subject for a Wings over Scotland podcast?

The optics of a Muslim refusing to send the Stone of Destiny to a Christian coronation would not be good

But very few would ever think to paint a Scotland-England stand-off over the SoD in religious terms, so there are no optics. As I understand it, Chuck W is going to include people from many faiths during the ceremony, so no-one will see any optics unless they do so through ‘bad faith’ i.e. an ulterior motive.
What HY should have done is to remind people of what the Stone represents and why its theft is/was symbolic for many Scots of an imperial attitude held by elites in England towards Scotland. This has nothing to do with any form of xenophobia, most ordinary English people will have no idea of the re-drawing of maritime boundaries to suit England and damage Scotland.
The relationship has always been unequal and so it has to end. If a bag of Henry VIII’s nail-clippings were secreted away in Edinburgh castle, you can be sure the likes of Rabid Starkey, Android Roberts, Toff Holland and Danforth Snow would be noisily campaigning for their return as important national historical artefacts.

@ Ruby,

you seem to find it funny that I suggest a date of 2035 for another referendum.

Do you seriously think that anyone / any party would be ready to take a new nation of 5 million people into a sustainable independent future in any shorter time, given the reality that Scotland has no currency of its own (minor problem), no central bank of its own (much bigger problem), no trade deals, and is currently a net recipient of funding that would disappear upon independence? These things aren’t to be laughed away, and shouldn’t be ignored. Brexit has taught us all that you can’t easily birth a new independence overnight.

Your prospectus for very rapid independence is only going to hurt Scottish people.

@ Robert Hughes 6.21pm, Robert why don’t you tell us what you really think instead of your diplomatic responses ,
It does appear that WOS is suffering from a larger influx of unionists than normal and they all appear to love pointing out how gracious and charitable the WM establishment is to us poor jocks and how we are such an ungrateful lot

The picture of Yousaf walking behind the stone, the symbolic stone, as it is taken from Scotland is as bad as it can get.

This man has shown the world his utter subservience to his English masters. It is as insensitive as burning a Bible, a Koran or a Torah.

There could be little worse that this lickspittle clown could do to show what he really believes.

“you seem to find it funny that I suggest a date of 2035 for another referendum”

Personally, I do not find it funny. I find it absolutely hilarious. It is obvious you seem to think the people of Scotland are zipped at the back.

We know very well the native population of Scotland is in accelerated decline. If you take a look at the national records of Scotland, you will see that the number of deaths surpasses the number of births in Scotland since 2015. Coincidentally, this is the year the political fraud Sturgeon took the reins of the first SNP MPs absolute majority and removed its wheels.

A critical year was 2020, where deaths surpassed births by a staggering 17,000. The political fraud Sturgeon announced a few years ago, and well before COVID started, that this trend was going to continue for a significant amount of time. So she knew Scotland’s demographics were in serious trouble. Yet, she was in no hurry to deliver independence. Quite the opposite. She wasted 8 years of our time purposely delaying it. This did not benefit the yes side. It benefitted the no side.

Now Yousaf is following the exact same delaying tactic: fabricating a manifold of excuses to not progressing independence. The hidden message from this is that, clearly Sturgeon and her continuity candidate do not give a shit about Scotland’s demographics. It is only the preservation of the union, even if that ends Scotland, what they care about.

Then we have the continuous exchange of Scotland’s natives for emigrants. Just to give you an example, according to the national records of Scotland for 2020 to 21, the influx of emigrants from other parts of the UK into Scotland was a massive 56,000.

Influx from outwith the UK into Scotland was another massive 41,000. Adding both figures, we had an influx of migrants in Scotland of 97,000 just in one year.

To this we have to add the emigration of people from Scotland to elsewhere. For those years, the National Records of Scotland estimate that as many as 47,300 Scots emigrated to other parts of the UK and 22,100 outwith the UK. That makes 69,400 Scots leaving Scotland in just one year.

So we have an scenario where this toxic union is causing our native population to die at faster rate than it is renovating itself and it is also causing an accelerated exchange of healthy, native Scottish population for population coming from elsewhere, many of them retirees. 69,400 Scots were replaced by 97,000 people coming from elsewhere.

There is no wonder the colonialists are desperate to delay this referendum for as long as possible so the replacement of Scotland’s population can continue at pace.

Let’s just look at numbers for our own amusement, shall we?

An average 15,000 more deaths than births per year will result in 195,000 less Scots in 13 years up to 2035.

69,400 Scots emigrating x 13 years = 902,200 natives potentially lost to other countries

97,000 immigrants x 13 years = 1.261,000 new people entering Scotland.

Now, considering the natives and those who have lived in Scotland for longer are more likely to vote yes than those who have just arrived from the UK or abroad, what we have is an artificial increase of no voters yearly through continuous immigration and an artificial loss of yes vote through more deaths than births and continuous emigration.

In other words, Sturgeon’s 8 years of stasis have helped to decrease the natural yes vote while artificially increasing the no vote. There is no wonder the percentage of yes has remained static despite the embarrassing mess Westminster has been in the last 8 years.

There is also no wonder colonialists in London and Holyrood are so desperate to push the referendum for as long as possible and then push for an open franchise ensuring all those potential no voters within the “new Scots” can cast a no vote to frustrate, yet again, the fundamental right of the Scottish native population to self-determine.

Delaying a vote for independence is only hurting the yes side while artificially increasing the no vote.

“Do you seriously think that anyone / any party would be ready to take a new nation of 5 million people into a sustainable independent future in any shorter time”

Yes, of course I do. The only thing it is needed is for a REAL pro-independence party, like the SNP led by Mr Salmond before the political fraud took over, to take control of our anti-union MP seats.

Unfortunately, since November 2014, what we have had is an SNP infested with political frauds, troughers, colonialists disguised as “devolutionists” and crown sycophants who have been fighting against independence rather than for it.

“given the reality that Scotland has no currency of its own (minor problem), no central bank of its own”

And none of those two will be become a reality for as long as the political frauds in the SNP force us to remain in this union. In order for those things to materialise Scotland needs to end the union.

“no trade deals”
If Scotland revokes the treaty of union, then England will not have trade deals either, unless Scotland agrees for it to become the UK continuator state. Trying to make this only Scotland’s problem is incredibly dishonest.

“is currently a net recipient of funding”
Under whose calculations?
I look at the oil fund that Norway has and reckon that Scotland has been a net contributor to the UK since the first oil drop was robbed from Scotland’s waters. That net contribution has increased with the supply to England, for free, of the surplus of electricity obtained in Scotland from renewables.

So let me ask you again, under whose calculation is Scotland “a net recipient” of funding?

Scotland would not need any “subsides” if ALL revenues from ALL Scotland’s resources ended in Scotland’s coffers rather than in those of England and the pockets of the crown.

“These things shouldn’t be ignored”
Indeed they shouldn’t. When Scotland finally ends the treaty of union, it has to present England with a bill corresponding to the reparations England will have to fulfill after ransaking Scotland’s resources for so long. The Norway oil fund gives us an indication of the scale of the robbery.

“Brexit has taught us all that you can’t easily birth a new independence overnight”

The only thing brexit has taught us is that VIP taxdogers in the UK are so disgustingly greedy that they had to crush democracy, crush Scotland’s legitimate right to self-determination, force hardship on every family, plunge the entire UK into economic suicide and decrease our standards to those of a third world country so they could keep hoarding cash annonymously to keep their good name.

“Your prospectus for very rapid independence is only going to hurt Scottish people”

As it has been demonstrated for the last 5 years of deaths surpassing the number of births, remaining in this toxic union is sentencing the Scottish native population to inevitable extinction. Remaining in this toxic union has been hurting Scotland for over 300 years and counting.

Independence is the only way Scotland can be saved. It is urgent. We know it and the colonialists know it, that is why they are throwing all their weight into stopping it. And that includes the political frauds within the SNP.

“You’re spot on about the craziness of this suggestion and any illegitimate declarations of independence.”

Illegitimate in who’s eyes Westminster’s? Westminster has no say in what direction Scots take to dump this rancid union, its completely up to Scots, we’re only still in this bucket of sewage union because of our own House Jocks, who are making a good living off the misery of their fellow Scots.

Westminster has no power over Scotland only what we falsely give it, there’s no case for the union, there’s nothing Scotland cannot accomplish as a independent nation as England has, albeit become a member of the P5, and we don’t need to do that.

Shell and BP set announce more bumper profits in the first quarter, as Scots families struggle to keep the lights on, and the SNP did f*ck all to stop it.

Get the SNP out and Alba in.

Short Money issue. Does this only effect SNP opposition MPs, in Westminster?

Holyrood SNP MSPs funded separately or do they also face the same sanction?

What impact would the Electoral Commission intervention and their imposed audit, have on SNP overall?

If Holyrood unaffected, I presume the party would require to pool resources to cover any loss of funding of their London based MPs. Staff redundancies most likely.

The fallout from this could become grave.

Beauvais says:
1 May, 2023 at 9:04 am

James Kelly is saying on his blog that if Sturgeon had stayed in office we “would probably have had a de facto referendum”.

James Kelly! ‘snap crackle & pop emoji’

I see we have acquired a coterie of unionists again applauding and amplifying one another. It’s the same old unionist arguments again – England subsidises Scotland, we don’t have our own currency or central bank. It’s always as if we have to be tutored by our wiser brethren because it’s an essential plank of their belief system that we have to be solemnly schooled since we are simply naive nationalists.

It’s the same old patronising refrain we have been hearing for years – too wee, too poor and too stupid. They have no idea (well why would they, immured as they are in self-satisfaction?) that this business of setting up a new country, central bank and currency has been done but was sat on and buried by Sturgeon’s SNP.)

As to the brilliantly ‘novel’ idea of signing up to a 2035 referendum? (Even shamelessly using the ‘generation’ trope yet again.) Who would benefit from that? Well obviously the Westminster Government since it would shut any independence leader up in a one-sided ‘agreement’.

As Dorothy Devine says @ 8.17am, no Westminster Government can tie the hands of its successors so no guarantee that any future government would adhere to an agreement made by its predecessor. Instead the onus would fall on the independence side to fulfil its side of the agreement to the letter. It would be a foolish or backsliding devolutionist leader who would sign up to that proposal. ( Twelve years more just supping at the public trough and settling down?)

No true independence leader would agree to tie the hands of their movement and not be ready and waiting for any changes of circumstance that might occur in 12 years. We’ve already had 8 years of stasis under Sturgeon’s SNP. (Do you know, it’s almost as if they too had the ambition to delay independence until the demographics change utterly in favour of the union? We are still waiting on the results of the last census which looks as if they are being deliberately withheld from us. Suspicion grows.)

(What a stirring slogan that would be. ‘When do we want independence? Well, in twelve years time maybe, if Westminster still agrees to discuss with us and then….’)

Oh look at these emojis.

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link to tinyurl.com

‘Crystal ball emoji’

2035 – Westminster say ‘Now is not the time!

Just one last emoji for now! Ticking clock emoji.

Jammie Dodger emoji.

At first I thought that might be a good substitute for the heart emoji but decided it would be better for something else.

What do you think?

What about the ‘Empire Biscuit’ & ‘Teacake’ emoji?

– on Salmond being a fan of Harold Wilson :

SMEAR BY DORRIL is excellent and shows the spooks “playbook”, used on wilson, sheridan, salmond, many others.

dorril’s other major work is MI6, a doorstop, full of incredibly detailed and useful information.

the significance of wilson as a politician is that he was the last UK politician who had the will to take on the UK deep state (city, bankers, the crown, westminsters employers) and won, at least for a while; their desperation is shown by the plan for a coup (“govt of national unity”) headed up by mountbatten (who was put off it by the chief scientific adviser, solly suckerman – “have nothing to do with it, louis”)

– the UK deep state are our true opponents. Wilson was a great player of – public opinion, image management, cunning plans and realpolitik – he even used the americans to help him beat the city boys; the price of this (supporting the pound) was keeping the bases open east of suez to support the vietnam war and the cruel and criminal selling out of the diego garcians – but at least vietnam was one war the UK managed to stay out of.

the only “insult” they could manage against wilson was that he was “too clever by half”.

wilson was a centrist (though infinitely to the left of all modern UK politicians) and this is the most dangerous place to be; someone acting from the centre is capable of doing things those on the “extremes” are not allowed to; he terrified the city.

A lot of “nationalist” politicians are playing a game they are not even trying to win; some don’t even understand the game, and some realise the nature of it, but just aren’t very good at it, like newbie chess players only thinking one move ahead; Salmond is a student of Wilson, understands the game, is trying to win, and has enough intellectual heft to make a good run at it – there are few other candidates. Leaders are like centre forwards in football; while they build on the aggregated work of all those behind them, it is their job to score the goals, and individual skill levels count (Messi, Haaland, Maradona … Mark Hateley … Sakala)

The capitulation of the Labour Party to the city was when they removed “clause 4”; Tony Blair was a thatcherite and Gordon Brown a fan of neoliberal orthodoxy – if you are so ideologically committed, then you are trapped (which is the point), nothing will ever get better (for the majority of people) because it can’t.

There seems to be a problem with your DNS record.

Queries from various places are returning NXDOMAIN.

Mia.

As long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any condition be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours, that we are fighting, but for freedom – for that alone, that no honest man gives up but with life itself.

Mia.

The statistics for Scotland are horrendous, but without doubt a statistic of the Colonies all over the world.
Scotland is indeed colonised and the the “Colonial Stock Scotland Acts” passed by Westminster in the eighteen hundreds for Scotland confirms Westminsters overall appraisal of how they view the northern isles of Britain.
However do not be disheartened, the information that I have provide the last few days is on records, and evidence provides that there was no union betwixt Scotland and Englands kingdoms in 1707.
That the English parliament continued as the British parliament.
While in England the Scottish parliament was extinguished out of the treaty of union by the conditional terms of the treaty of union that was made and ratified by both parliaments.
Scotland adjourned the Scottish parliament,
Thus we find NO Scottish parliament in the treaty of union or able to have representatives of a Scottish parliament since 1707.
As Saffron Robe eloquently states, ” THE TREATY OF UNION IS A ILLUSION”.

“As long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any condition be brought under English rule”

We have already been under English rule for the last 8 years, courtesy of Nicola Sturgeon and now her hopeless continuity candidate. And this is despite having more than 100, allegedly, anti-union MSPs/MPS elected with a handful of mandates for an independence referendum which they never even made an effort to deliver.

Eversince 1707 Scotland has been consistently and systematically abused and betrayed by the self-servitude of the majority bar a very few, of its own parliamentary representatives. It is those MPs who have held the key to end this union but chose to preserve it by continuously finding excuses to hand over that key (and other valuable things) to either the crown, England’s representatives or some by-product of the union or another.

8 years of systematic betrayal and staggering abuse of trust have demonstrated that no political party operating in Scotland can ever be trusted again with this key nor to make decisions on how to use that key after they have been elected.

Entities like Salvo with no interest in joining the gravy train of Westminster appear much better and more trustworthy custodians of that key at the moment.

No offer of mandate to unilaterally and immediately repeal the treaty of Union if a majority is obtained by a anti-union political party?

Then there is no point in wasting our time casting a vote for a party which risks becoming another gravy train for troughers. In that case we are better off spoiling our ballots to endorse no one.

Re further up thread mention of The Cambridge Five. Some of the children and grandchildren of their Marxist tutors at Cambridge went on to write books claiming that the ancient Egyptians and ancient Greeks were black. One of them writes for the likes of the Guardian, New York Times and Washington Post and dedicated his book to the greatest influence in his life, those same Marxist tutors.

Re mention upthread of the World Bank, people should look up the people who brought this and the IMF into being. One of them was a pushy man who had leveraged his friendship with the Roosevelts into involvement in post war negotiations which very much upset the people who were tasked with these and who felt that he had no business to be involved. His plan for post war Germany could have led to the death by starvation of up to twenty five million Germans and prolonged the war by at least six months when word of it leaked. When he demanded that Harry Truman take him to further post war negotiations or he would resign Truman accepted his resignation and he went off to help set up the IMF and World Bank.