Wings Over Scotland

“How does the Crown Office. . . ” D’oh!

Well, selective prosecution of political opponents is the surest marker there is of leftist authoritarian government. And that’s the government you would have in an independent, SNP-run Scotland.

What I find difficult to undersand is that the very judge who issued the anonymity orders can then go on to judge someone who is accused of breaching them.
Quite conceivably a defence could have been that the orders were in some way illegal or unfair. The judge who issued them is hardly going to agree that they are.

Is Lady Dorian not guilty of jigsaw identification herself when talking of a person’s nickname leading to their identification?

Scarry stuff indeed. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Scotland is now run by the Murrell mafia clan. James Wolffe is the dutiful consigliere. At leat in the film “

@Pablo Dem

What not indeed?

Athanasius at 7.38…
‘Well, selective prosecution of political opponents is the surest marker there is of leftist authoritarian government.’

What, like Germany in the 1930s?

As Alex has standing in this case could he not send a lawyer to court on the 7th to inform the Court that, on the basis of what happens to Craig, he may be able to inform the Court of other contempts committed?

You may point them out til you are blue in the face but you have no standing. It has to be the Crown, Alex or an alphabet woman.

‘Equiparated’!

Can this get dirtier , no answer required , not even on a postcard , as I’ve said before I’m not hugely politically minded, far less legally aware , but this reeks

Even if Independence is a good idea in principle, it becomes a non-starter with this single party governance system currently in place.

Golly.

Craig was never interested in revealing names. He made that clear. What he felt was his public duty as a journalist, and one who values truth and the public right to know about their officials, is their right to know the roles and and relationships of those individuals to power. That is directly relevant to the whole scandal.

For that, he is being hounded, because if anything it is the smoking gun. Not their names or identities. As others have remarked the anonymity clause is being used as a tool of camouflage, rather than any real concern for the identities, and continues to be. Garavelli and co, though sailing much closer to the wind than Craig in their contempt of court and identifying people, didn’t threaten the executive’s version of the story. That is the difference. Craig threatens their carefully constructed smokescreen.

Lady Dorrian is doing her job, and i don’t question it. She is judging what is put before her. The question is who got up the charge and put it before her, and on whose direction.

I care about independence but I care more about my little granddaughter having to share a dressing room with a cock in a frock

When there is such blatant bias, no wonder vast numbers if people now feel that there is stinking corruption in the crown office.

Captain Yossarian says:
Can’t agree with you more, Rody Dunlop’s twitter is always a breath of fresh air as he lives and beleives in proper law.

Remain brave Mr. Murray. Men if good conciencecand actions face several trials, but will be honoured for sticking with the truth.

@ Cath at 8.05

Yes, I wondered about that.

It also occurred to me that “the nickname given to that person is one which would require very little imagination to link with one of the complainers” is true if you already know who the complainers are, as Lady Dorrian does, and are thus in no need of jigsaws.

I’m not at all sure it helps anyone who hasn’t the faintest idea who they are.

Don’t Vote SNP.

Look around at different candidates to see who is most likely to reverse the damage the SNP have done.

This election has got to be about righting all of Sturgeon’s wrongs.

We know the usual bullshit will be in the SNP Manifesto.

We will be promised a referendum in the not too far away future in a land called Never Never Land.

Let’s hope she loses her own seat.

With due apologies, and with the danger of being duly, and no doubt rightly accused of being a total and pedantic bore, below is a contribution I posted earlier today on the btl comments on the previous article. For the first ever time, I seem to have been almost ‘ahead of the game’, or even ‘too early’ with my comment. I usually manage to post only at the end, when the owner of this site is just about to put up another article, or has already done so, and everybody else has quite rightly moved on (or is just about to do so).

Anyway, here is what I posted:

wull says:
25 March, 2021 at 1:19 pm
Never having been any use at jigsaws, or even interested in them, I have been quite unable to identify anyone. A couple of days ago, looking for something else, I stumbled on a site which explicitly identified one of the complainers by name, giving the letter of the alphabet that related to her. I was so astonished I did not even take note of the website, and haven’t a clue how to navigate back there (computers, and how they work, are in the same category as jigsaws for me!).

Nor do I have any desire to find it again anyway. The issue doesn’t interest me, and I don’t need to know who any of the complainers were.

What does interest me is the question of selective prosecution. If the names of complainers are still being openly bandied about on the web today, so long after the trial, why is Craig Murray the only person being prosecuted?

I almost said ‘Why is Craig Murray the only person being prosecuted for it?’ – but if I had, the ‘for it’ would be wrong. As far as I understand it, Craig Murray never went nearly as far as the website I stumbled on the other day. He never did mention any name of any of the complainers, nor did he attach any name to a letter of the alphabet. All he is supposed to have done is to have said something or other through which some other people, if they were good at jigsaws, might use to guess who one or another or even three or four of the complainers might be.

Yet I would not be surprised if there are people who read all the articles in question which Craig posted on his blog who are still – like I was until I stumbled on that other blogsite, nothing to do with Craig Murray, the other day – completely in the dark about the identity of any of the complainers.

Granted the political implications of this and other selective prosecutions, this surely has to be a matter to be taken up with (and publicised by) Amnesty International and other relevant and high profile international bodies.

Even though I am lousy at jigsaws, I think I am beginning to identify a strong link between the inordinate and unusual delay in Lady D’s arriving at a judgement in such a simple matter and the fact that the sentencing will not take place until the day after the election. Can somebody please help me – do these two pieces somehow fit together?

You often hear that the Scots are highly politically aware – but we maybe still have lessons to learn about power, power hidden and unseen, and exercised behind closed doors, where, as recent events have shown, the truth is hidden.

Equally, the law when applied in a manner which appears discriminatory is of huge concern, and again recent events illustrate how concerning.

Scotland, and its people, have long suffered from such power, and discrimination – it’s time for change, fundamental change.

I can only comment on what I read in Craigs Yes Minister spoof and his daily reports of the Alex Salmond trial. I identified one complainer in the Spoof, which i think is the nickname referred to above and another in the Blog which gave details of another complainer using jigsaw identification. I never saw the tweets or articles by the journalists named above.

I am studying law part time and my view is that Craig was found guilty because he identified 2 complainers by jigsaw identification and in particular he ignored the warning he was given in advance. I suspect the Judge isnt aware of the other alleged contemp of court breaches but she was aware of Craig because of the advance warning which is why his breach was brought before her.

I think James Doleman made an honest mistake and deleted immediately and the Judge took that into consideration. On the other hand Craig has maintained he did nothing wrong when he deliberately wrote the spoof and intentionally choose the characters names & roles. Maybe if he had plead Guilty and shown remorse, the Judge would have shown leniency. Craig should have taken legal advice before he published his Spoof and been more careful with his reporting after the warning.

Lady Dorrian is doing a job, and so ought to answer the question of why it has taken her so long to come up with a verdict, and even longer to come up with a sentence.

She needs to do this if only to dispel the suspicion that it has been timed for the day after the election,and that she is acting under political direction.

@Kcor 8.23 pm

The only rational course for anyone who is horrified at the SNP and its direction of travel is not to vote for them at all. Anyone who does, irrespective of their excuses or protestations, is part of the problem. The only way to move forward and start building a Scotland fit for honest folk is to tackle the kind of thing detailed in this article.

Voting SNP won’t do that: not now, probably not ever. There is next to zero chance of the SNP being “saved”: if there was the membership would have done it already.

The only effect the SNP will understand is losing seats. If they are still in power after May, it’s going to take time for more of the folk who voted for them to realise they’ve been sold a pup. In the meantime, it gives those of us who want “real” independence time to plan for an alternative.

The problem in Scotland is the crown office which is corrupted beyond repair. We all know that Peter Murrell perjured himself at the inquiry as did Sturgeon and a number of the other witnesses. We all also know that there is clear evidence of a conspiracy to pervert justice and yet there is apparently no investigation pending let alone charges being brought.

The disgraced Lord Advocate James Wolffe QC has been orchestrating the coverup and until he is removed from his post I can’t see anything improving. I’m not sure what his motivation is, perhaps they have dirt on him as the SNP are experts at using blackmail to control people.

Thing is, bad as things are now there are nothing compared to what will come of sturgeon gets back in with a majority. She will then have 5 years of near limitless power to finish the job she has only just started. I cannot believe that the country is so corrupted that she appears to have survived so far and it shows the sheer brass neck of the psychopathic bitch that she’s charging ahead regardless without a care in the world.

It would seem that the power is now in our hands to try and sort this out as the parliament and the courts have failed. The only way we have any hope of stopping her and getting to the truth is to do everything we can to stop her being re-elected. Voting New SNP is not an option; they have admitted that there will be no indy ref until 2024 at the earliest, that means there won’t be. The New SNP must be eradicated, the crown office disinfected of corruption and then the criminal gang that currently run the New SNP must face trial for their crimes against our country and it’s people. No half measures.

“There Are Three Types of People:
Those Who Make Things Happen,
Those Who Watch Things Happen,
and Those Who Wonder What Happened”

Folks, soon everyone will have to decide to which division of humanity they belong. If yer no happy about the current situation in Scotland, stop moaning – do something about it!

Just sayin.:)

If Lady Dorian actually is a Lady and someone seeking
Justice for all on an equal basis must ask why so many
main stream journalists can spout and maintain the same
information as Craig and yet only Craig is unfairly attacked.

Sorry but if this woman doesn’t see this injustice she shouldn’t be in the job.

@ Catherine says:
25 March, 2021 at 7:43 pm re

Is Lady Dorian not guilty of jigsaw identification herself when talking of a person’s nickname leading to their identification?’

I did not blashpeme, all I said was ‘that was a lovely dinner, Jehova himself would have loved it’ ‘Jehova, Jehova, Jehova’.

Strange times we live in , when the Life Of Brian is becoming on par with George Orwell’s 1984 in terms of the way power corrupts.

Is it Contempt of Court, if the Courts are corrupt – surely Contempt would be the appropriate response for an honest person. Hypothetically speaking of course. Dear Lady Dorrian, I’m forming an opinion about your lawful integrity – and its not good.

Dorrian is fair ranting at Craig in parts.
With the obviously political timing of both the verdict and the sentencing, i fear for Craig!

Meanwhile today the Scottish Government to another tanking in the Court of Session.

In judgement by Lord Braid the court rules that the coronavirus regulations that forced the closure of churches during the Covid pandemic have been deemed unlawful.

A group of 27 church leaders launched a judicial review arguing Scottish Government ministers acted outwith their powers when ordering the closure of places of worship under emergency legislation.

Judge Lord Braid issued his judgment on Wednesday, finding the Scottish Government regulations disproportionately interfered with the freedom of religion secured in the European Convention on Human Rights.

He said: “It is impossible to measure the effect of those restrictions on those who hold religious beliefs. It goes beyond mere loss of companionship and an inability to attend a lunch club. The fact that the regulations are backed by criminal sanctions is also a relevant consideration.

“Were the petitioners to insist on manifesting their beliefs, in accordance with their religion, they would be liable to be met with a fine of up to £10,000, a not insignificant penalty.

An absolute sign of the times. Intimidation by the application of illegal laws. The government and the Police certainly have form on this type of behaviour.

Who needs law when you’ve got the Government and Police acting illegally.

Well folks better get used to it. Get a kicking in the pocket and maybe a bit of roughing up if walking in the park away from home, get your house turned over on the reports of people in your house – and yes, the Police just fight their way in as the appalling Aberdeen video.

But mass rally and party if you’re a Ranger Supporter, or traverse the country on a political photo op jolly if you’re Boris Johnson and no case to answer.

Yep, Police Scotland, they know who to pick on, cos they’re tough on women and kids. They’re what they call in the trade as ” witness killers ”

Anyway, Sturgeon’s government canned again, for acting illegally and of course that’ll be more votes lost from the church going community.

Was there any legal reason that Dorrian and Hamilton co-ordinated the timing of the release of their ‘verdicts’.

I know Dorrian was officially today but in reality we found out about both within hours… after weeks and months of waiting.

So was there a valid reason for that (because if not does it not suggest something is very wrong here)?

Are Dorrian and Hamilton not both supposed to be totally independent blah blah blah.

Yet it very much looks like they being stage managed like a pair of shabby props.

In a Catholic church in my area Police Scotland were sitting outside of that church one Sunday night counting how many adherents were going in.

Obviously they had a thing about church numbers attending Catholic masses despite that church having a booking / ticketing scheme in place and pass keepers on the door.

Only doing their job you realize, now move along before we lift you for breach of the peace.

@ sarah says:
25 March, 2021 at 8:39 pm

O/T: the latest poll by Survation [reported on Scot goes Pop] gives the SNP an outright majority, 67 seats. Constituency vote 50%, list 39% – Greens having 11% on the list.’

Call me a cynic, but I am dubious about these polls. And I realise that is an unfashionable (and unprovable) position to take on it.

But here is my reasoning, in 2017 GE at the last minute, the SNP realised their campaign was lacklustre on the Indy message – and (as it came to pass) large numbers of the Yes vote were not impressed, and not going to come out and vote them in. I see no great earth shattering positive message of hope and ability being put to the electorate to invigorate and inspire them to come out and vote this time. Rather the reverse.

The year before in the Holyrood election 2016 – they were seriously, seriously worried about losing their majority – BECAUSE D’HONTE is so difficult for any party to get a majority. And the first time they did it was almost a fluke.

The polls have done 2 things (and served one person) in the last 6 – 8 months. In the lead up to November 2020 (SNP Conference) they were showing support for Indy in the high 50% mark (but never at 60%.)

This was at a time of the most disquiet about Nicla. ‘look at the polls’ was the cry.

And it was enough to stop a vote of no confidence in Nicla then.

January 2021 was the next big SNP meet – and by this time the transition was over and Brexit was done. I said that the poll support would drop for Indy support – in order to take the pressure off Nicla to actually hold a Referendum (or a Plebiscite Indy Election) – after all the 60% support threshold is official SNP line in the sand. While it remains below 60% their cry is ‘Scotland isn’t ready’.

In the mean time what was seen as a strength – daily Covid briefings are now seen as vainglorious and boring. People are really, really fed up of Covid… and Nicla, and ‘shut the door Frank, is now very old’.

I really struggle to see how the SNP will landslide a victory on the D’Honte system – with the serious split in the indy movement, and so many of the people who get things done having left the party in disgust, and no money to big spend it on fancy media to cover the ground the way the Unionist do.

Those things do not add up, particularly since Boris ( who made all things Indy look wise and remains our biggest recruiting Sergeant) has been pushed off the number 1 slot by the Holyrood Scandals.

Postal votes – which the SNP have been religiously pushing – remain the most insecure method of preventing voting fraud. Perhaps therein lies the answer.

On a UK level, it is perhaps worth also considering that the polls showed up well for Labour (from memory, I think) and kind of lulled them into a false sense of security.

Joanna Cherry is taking time off for health reasons she says in her Twitter account.

Since the Crown Office has favoured those journalists does that mean they are the Queen’s XI?

I find Craig Murray to be quite an arrogant man, so holding his hands up and showing remorse is something that I suspect isn’t in his character, even though it might have helped him a bit.

When this court matter first came to the fore, I offered my opinion that he should prepare for the worst and get things organised for himself and his family in case he got sent down. I have no idea if he took my opinion on board. I hope he did but I further suspect that he just sneered at my opinion, assuming he even read it in the first place.

The reason I’m mentioning this now is that I’m of the opinion that it’s only a matter of time before they focus their attention on the Rev and this site, if they haven’t already begun to do so.

I think the Rev has more savvy than Craig Murray, perhaps a bit more ‘street-wise’ but I would urge him to start building contingency plans for himself and his Father should the wheels start to head in his direction. Don’t leave it to the last fucking minute, start planning NOW.

@ Daisy Walker at 9.27: I don’t count on the polls, certainly.

What I want is to help ensure that there is a viable option to vote for and at the moment AFI looks to be the only one. BUT they won’t get far without support in the shape of members/supporters and money.

Hello again Mr Campbell.

As I’ve had to say three times now, I tweeted out that name in another context, deleted it immediately and apologised. At the time there was no contempt of court order in place, so there was no prospect of me being prosecuted, and I wasn’t “banished from the court,” either as the crown accepted it was just a mistake and was immediately corrected.

You can keep flogging this dead horse all you want, and I’ll keep reminding people that you emailed me to say you only were doing this because I was “being an ars*hole on twitter (ie I made a joke you didn’t like)

Have a nice night

All the best

James

Great and worrying article. Highlights the deficiencies in the UK Act setting up Holyrood in not separating executive and judicial powers.Most here I assume would like this remedied by an independent Scotland with a workable constitution. I’d prefer an end to devolution which has just extended the number of troughers on the public purse to no useful end.

I really should know better but what the heck eh

I hope you receive the same messages of support if the Procurer Fiscals search squad comes looking after you pal , with this lot being innocent of any crime is no impediment to them.

That’s of course in reply to the obvious click bait by Mist not sure if the strange name is a resident of this country but who cares , mind how you go it’s not safe out there now Humzas on the case

On The Dole maybe soon pal eh

Anyway go duck yerself

The thing that niggles me is this business of anonymity being defended as a sacred gospel, and woe betide any heretic who dares to question that anonymity, but these ‘victims’ aren’t victims at all. They are conspirators! Conspirators in a scheme to smear an innocent man and have him sent to prison based upon a narrative they have colluded to orchestrate.

Were these “victims” genuine victims, even perish the thought, genuine victims who failed to prove a genuine assault took place, then I don’t have any problem whatsoever with their anonymity.

But that isn’t the case. There is clear, and what seems unequivocal evidence of conspiracy in the texts alone. Off the top of my head, that commentary about “serious consequences for Salmond but the ‘victims’ protected by anonymity” is profoundly disturbing, and appears on the face of it to be entirely consistent with a premeditated and orchestrated conspiracy. What other conclusion is it possible to draw? It is after all, the conclusion the jury came to!

In these circumstances, it seems worrying and absurd that multiple people are being forced to suffer serious life changing circumstances as a consequence of what seems to be a vexatious, asymmetric, and wholly unnecessary pursuit and prosecution of certain individuals.

It seems grossly improper that the Conspirators who set this wicked train events in motion are still protected by a right to anonymity which they have cynically abused, while journalists who are deeply troubled by the glaring evidence of conspiracy are actually being put behind bars on the strength of the same, sorely abused right to anonymity.

Nobody is disputing this right to anonymity is quite appropriate where there is a victim who has a right to privacy and discretion following a very personal assault, but surely, there surely has to be some kind of safeguard built in specifically to prevent this ‘all conquering’ right to anonymity being abused, and misused as a shield of invincibility which allows a false witness to maliciously smear and damage an innocent man’s reputation with absolute impunity and without even the possibility of diligent scrutiny.

What is happening here is either vexatious madness within the system, or worse, we are witnessing a “Russian Doll” type proliferation of conspiracies; a small conspiracy being covered up by a bigger conspiracy, which is itself covered up by a yet bigger conspiracy, then that covered up with yet another conspiracy, and so on, and so on, until we have the Scottish Judicial process looking prejudiced and corrupt, the Lord Advocate hopelessly compromised, and the First Minister in the Scottish Government looking like a criminal desperately trying to hide the evidence.

NONE of this evolving insanity spiralling out of control would have taken placenta all, if the Conspirators right to anonymity was withdrawn or declared forfeit after their accusations against Alex Salmond were discredited and disproved in the Jury Trial. That surely is the tipping point when these ‘victims’ became perpetrators, and the protections extended to genuine victims should have been properly rescinded.

@ sarah says:
25 March, 2021 at 9:55 pm

@ Daisy Walker at 9.27: I don’t count on the polls, certainly.

What I want is to help ensure that there is a viable option to vote for and at the moment AFI looks to be the only one. BUT they won’t get far without support in the shape of members/supporters and money.’

I agree with you, but I put money to ISP only then to find out they did not have Plebiscite Indy Election as a Manifesto / Policy issue. Shades of SNP carrots all over again.

AFI – An Umbrella Party needs a single message, that is easy, and catchy.

Instead they’ve got paragraphs and paragraphs of well meaning socialist guff, about super majorities, and simple majorities and popular votes – that will eventually, in some convoluted way, mean, in the voters minds, a plebiscite indy vote.

The only good thing about it, is when Tommy went and wrote it he used paragraphs at all. Perhaps it was a blue moon.

I want someone viable to vote for, for Indy. I hope the ISP and AFI get it sorted.

Meanwhile I think Craig and Alex might have need of my spare cash at the moment.

Are Murrell and Wolfe…..

Apologies in advance.

I don’t understand why the process is as it is.

The charge is contempt of “Court.” It’s not contempt of the “Crown Office.”

It therefore seems rational and logical that if the offence is against the “Court”, on the basis of being against an order issued not by the Crown Office but by the Judge on behalf of the Court, that the charge of breaching the order made by the judge and treating the court with contempt is the responsibility of the Judge to instigate on behalf of the Court and the order they made rather than the Crown Office?

Nothing else makes any sense in terms of a rational and coherent process.

@ Daisy at 10.14: I too bunged a small sum to ISP – on principle rather than conviction!

As you say, there are many worthwhile objects for our cash at the moment – potentially Craig and Alex, plus currently: Mark Hirst’s malicious prosecution case v Lord Advocate; Manny Singh trying to keep his taxi licence; For Women Scotland’s court case about women not being men.

I expect there are more that I don’t know about.

It is rather depressing. Yes movement was so happy, open, positive, as someone on here was saying, but life under SNP is grim.

I think the distinction lies with those who would like the names to be public (Murray et Al) and those who don’t. Those who don’t are still guilty of jigsaw identification, but their motives are not malicious as I the case of Clive and Murray.

SNP MP Joanna Cherry is to step back from her public duties for health reasons. (BBC)

Hope it’s short term and nothing serious.

Stay well Joanna.

@ Mac2: wrong. Craig did not want to identify people, maliciously or otherwise.

Shocked says,

“The New SNP must be eradicated, the crown office disinfected of corruption and then the criminal gang that currently run the New SNP must face trial for their crimes against our country and it’s people. No half measures.”

That can only be achieved by voting tactically against SNP candidates in the constituencies, not by abstaining or spoiling the ballot.

At the very very least, vote tactically for Sarwar in Sturgeon’s Glasgow Southside constituency to get rid of the Criminal in Chief of Scotland.

No half measure indeed:

Ruby says (“Three choices” – March 22, 2021),

“I’m voting SNP 1/2 because I want Nicola Sturgeon to have to face the consequences of her actions.”

@Sweep 7.49pm:

Recalculating:

Incoming from Mr Doleman in 7683… 7682…

Daisy Walker

I agree you should look for an alternative candidate other than the local SNP candidate who just happens to be Swinney.

Why not vote for the local Tory if he has the best chance of taking the seat.

Any candidate other than a Green has got to be better than Swinney. It’s good to see you thinking outside the box.

But why are YOU not getting slaughtered by the usual culprits for even suggesting that?

The guy Ross Kilblride got hounded off the site for daring to put forward the idea of voting for Sarwar in the Glasgow Southside Constituency of the First Minister of Scotland.

Seems to be one rule for some and another rule for others.

Will be interesting to see if anyone labels you a Yoon or 77th in the future.

Colin Alexander says,

“Joanna Cherry is taking time off for health reasons she says in her Twitter account.”

Why does she not resign from the SNP?

Does she still have an ambition to be SNP leader?

I am sceptical about her.

How did it help Scottish independence to fight for the Westminster parliament to remain open?

The Rev. Stuart Campbell had presented a very convincing argument for what the SNP MPs should do.

If Cherry, MacAskill and the rest had listened, Scotland would have had its independence referendum and almost certainly have voted Yes.

I wasn’t going to comment on the last thread re wee ginger fud but he keeps posting shite

Tonight’s effort I don’t know if it’s in way of retaliation but fk me

He has really outdone himself in coming wait for it I give you

Mhairi Black I guess it’s about a referendum on a Galaxy Far Away I must save it for my grandchildren maybe they will have a good laugh

The SNP and a referendum in the one sentence now that’s a prize worth keeping eh , in the same sentence well I never that’s really clever eh what will they think of next

Never watched the clip the ginger fud posted I couldn’t be arsed these bloody repeats , repeats ,repeating themselves over and over, nearly there, touching distance,almost just round the corner

Craig has pointed out an important fact:

@CraigMurrayOrg
But do you spot something much more vitally important?

[In the judgement Ms Dorian states]:

“The dates and loci of the offences were widely reported”

Craig point out:

WHAT OFFENCES? THERE WERE NO OFFENCES.
There were disproven allegations.

In the judgement Ms Dorian also refers to a code of conduct which refers to the “victims of sexual assault” about whom “the press must not identify or publish material likely to identify” (the victims of sexual assault).

But as we now know that in logic there were no “victims of sexual assault” because a jury decided there was no sexual assault.

That of course is not good enough for these judges who still refer to non-existent “offences” against non-existent “victims of sexual assault”

These, we need not remind ourselves are the very same judges (Ms Dorian) and now the MI5 Crown agent who want to abolish juries in sexual crime cases.

Their persistent use of the language of “offences” and “victims” in cases in which the very juries they directed have determined that there were neither victims nor offences, is perhaps revealing of their massive lack of impartiality, and a profound warning as to where this is taking us.

I agree with Andy Ellis – he’s right
No votes SNP

Andy Ellis
25 March, 2021 at 8:47 pm
@Kcor 8.23 pm

The only rational course for anyone who is horrified at the SNP and its direction of travel is not to vote for them at all

Shocked says,

“If Craig is even remotely serious in backing that imbecile then I seriously worry for his judgement.”

Since his sentencing has been delayed, he still has a chance to confront them directly instead of hiding behind a list.

The alternative for him will be to reflect on it in jail.

Given that the above article is more evidence, if it were needed, that separation of powers in Scotland has now reached Mugabe/Zimbabwe levels of fantasy I am very doubtful if the legal action taken by AS will even get off the ground.

@somerled says at 8:39pm

Exactly.

There is enough to focus without getting sidelined with this.

The yes minister sketch did give some things away.

Unfortunately Charlie Reid once gave a leaflet away too.

What I am thinking regarding the Doleman saga is simple really.

He put out the offending tweet deliberately in order to get the Section 11 anonymity order passed.

Why?

Well it is not beyond imagining that he was asked to do so by one of the main conspirators, as the entire conspiracy project depended on the conspirators gaining anonymity from the judge.

Remember the infamous ‘I have a plan….’ tweet?

I think that Sturgeon’s government and the Crown Office are appalling, but the decision shows that Murray gave the CO plenty of reasons to single him out. Paragraphs [69]-[71] record that he had formed the view that “there is the strongest possible public interest in knowing” the identity of the accusers, because then the public would “immediately understand what was happening”. Paragraphs [73] &[75] indicate that he was trying to steer as many of his readers as possible to work it out by reading between the lines whilst avoiding liability for doing just that – a calculated gamble which failed. I doubt the other examples of alleged journalistic breaches were as calculated. Murray is a bright guy and lots of other things besides, but journalist he ain’t.

Kcor @ 10.34

Totally agree. Why go halfway and spoil your ballot instead of voting against the cancer which is eating our society. There are many forms of cancer, blue and red among them, but for the time being we need to eradicate the more virulent strain which is the main threat to our democracy and the independent future of this country and that is undoubtedly yellow.

Ignorance is a poor excuse although it does apply to much of our electorate and we should have sympathy, but anyone having the facts laid bare in front of them and voting for this trash is beyond the pale. Sturgeon, Murrell, Swinney and others in the Scottish Government are patently guilty of lies and malfeasance and should be prosecuted together with Wolffe, Evans, Loyd and others in COPFS and the Scottish Civil Service. When they eventually lose power I have no doubt there will be legal action taken against them by their successors. This may be more imminent than many might believe as the SNP finances are precarious to say the least despite having apparently embezzled £600,000 of funds entrusted to them for a specified future purpose. With the drastic drop in their membership and fund raising potential financial implosion is definitely on the cards. In the meantime they will be fighting the legal action raised by AS, with its attendant costs, which will see them in court, without the protection of redacted and suppressed documentation and where they will be held to account under oath. It will likely be a protracted affair but ultimately they will be judged on what they have done.

In the meantime why on earth would anyone with a single operating brain cell vote for them unless they are ignorant or compromised. Hold your nose and vote for whoever is most likely to beat these evil, corrupt weasels. Console yourself by knowing you are not so much voting in favour of any other party than voting AGAINST Sturgeon and her cronies. Would I be prepared to tolerate 5 years of a unionist coalition at Holyrood rather than another 5 years of Surgeon? You bet! In the meantime she would be booted out to answer to a court of law and we would rebuilding our aspirations under a new, real, pro independence party.

Daisy Walker: “James Doleman says: at the time there was no Contempt of Court Order In Place’

Isn’t that the same for Craig Murray with regards his ‘Yes Minister Parody’ article?”

I believe that is correct, Daisy. Didn’t Wings post something that explained all this earlier today?

Douglas, that has been suggested. I can’t rule it out on the basis that Doleman denies it since if it were true then he would hardly be likely to admit it, but I think it’s irrelevant.

What matters more than any of that is how each of the cases was dealt with by the authorities, with one resulting in a court case and the other resulting in a light telling off.

Despite being a more flagrant transgression in terms of directly naming one of the complainers, and despite the stipulation that doing so accidentally was not an excuse, Doleman was basically let off entirely.

It stinks.

Soda @ 11.56 pm

That was a dark day, much darker than today when we know that the majority of Scots are pro independence and would respond to a a new vibrant campaign. Our current problem is that the SNP has got in the way of independence. Let’s rectify that by kicking them out of office and getting on with the job.

So..we all vote SNP 1 do we….
Aye Get tae F@k.
Jesus.m

Orange County Rob

Did I touch a nerve with you there.

Are you an SNP 1 and 2 punter by any chance?

And is that going to be your total contribution to tonight’s debate.

You would have been better staying in your bed, where you have probably been all day.

What a waste.

Why not hound Daisy Walker Mr Orange County Man?

She is also suggesting alternative Voting.

Or is it just me you want to disagree with?

Strange wee man.

Elmac says,

“Hold your nose and vote for whoever is most likely to beat these evil, corrupt weasels. Console yourself by knowing you are not so much voting in favour of any other party than voting AGAINST Sturgeon and her cronies. Would I be prepared to tolerate 5 years of a unionist coalition at Holyrood rather than another 5 years of Surgeon? You bet! In the meantime she would be booted out to answer to a court of law and we would rebuilding our aspirations under a new, real, pro independence party.”

A unionist coalition, with the carrot dangling corrupt lying SNP criminals voted out, will be the perfect scenario for a new genuine independence movement and party to arise.

As the Rev. Stuart Campbell said:

“A whole new movement of new people will have to grow organically from nothing again as it did back then”

Meet the Scottish establishment, ladies and gentlemen.

This all is going to end-up in one horrible mess.

Elmac: “Let’s rectify that by kicking them out of office and getting on with the job.”

Easier said than done. It’s inevitable that the Scottish public will at some point see through the lies, and hold the SNP in the same sort of contempt that they hold Labour and Tories in just now, but it’s going to take time to get there.

I guess we will need to wait.

The process would speed up if we had a new option in May. By that a mean a party headed by the likes of Cherry, McNeil, Macaskill, Salmond, etc., but where is it and where are they?

I don’t see how people who agitated for a more aggressive approach to achieving indyref2 can now sit on the sidelines and deny us an alternative to the SNP — at least, not without looking like hypocrites — but what do I know?

We’ve been here before, left hoping people have plans that will be revealed at the right moment, the sunlit glens of the promised land a mere stroll away…

Hamilton’s report landed on us like a neutron bomb, truth be told. Everything seems to be rigged from top to bottom and we are left without hope looking out over a cold, darkening, landscape.

“I am just going outside and may be some time…”

Orange County Man

There’s Elmac also suggesting alternative Voting to oust the corrupt SNP.

And Kcor.

And the guy Ross Kilbride.

And me

And Daisy Walker.

The number is growing.

Are you going to hound us all off Wings Orange County Man?

Or just childishly hound me?

Deary deary me.

Decisions decisions Orange County Man.

AYRSHIRE ROB

Why did you get involved in debate tonight, was it just to start a wee stooshie?

I have noticed this with you before, you can be a bit lippy.

Cool your jets mate, we are all fighting for the same cause, meant to be.

It’s time to take to our dinghies and try to make it to the nearest democracy

Andy @12:40

Ermmm, hesitate to say it but me too.

A man would have a better chance of a fair trial if he appeared before Judge Roy Bean. The purple rinsed woke Sturgeonette won’t know what I’m talking about unless they can be bothered using Google to access information instead of porn. To all Sturgeon supporters pornography is very very bad for you. Stop now before you lose your grip on reality. Am I too late with this public health announcement?

Andy @2:12

Sadly, I’ve come to the same conclusion.

1st time they won’t have got my vote, but they’re not the same SNP I used to vote for, or indeed be a member of, so I won’t be losing any sleep over it.

Just need to hold my nose when voting for the party most likely to unseat them… The prospect of doing that is far more likely to keep me awake!

It’s not cultural marxism. The post truth world is a plutocracy.

Mary is the road to hell. Know your enemy.

link to foresightguide.com

“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.”

link to thescottishpamphleteer.wordpress.com

This last couple of years does horribly seem like a prelude to trouble.
Independence must always be a peaceful movement though.

How odd, the crown office only pursue those who have supported Alex Salmond. Puzzling? It might make any person think that the Crown office is corrupt, leading to malicious prosecutions against those it doesn’t like and ignoring clear offences by it’s Friends.

Yet, here is the real irony, Humza Yousaf, the so-called’ justice secretary’ seems to have zero interest in what has been happening. You know, a Lord Advocate who was reportedly forced by dint of legal action, to admit in court to undertaking ‘malicious’ prosecutions against executives from ‘the rangers’. But the so-called ‘justice secretary, who has responsibility for law and order in Scotland does nothing.

And the entire so-called ‘Scottish’ Media say nothing. Complicit to the nth degree.

Any sane assessment of current events in Scotland, especially in relation to the crown office, would rightly conclude collusion and corruption of the very, very worst kind. It should NOT EVER happen in a functional democracy, but of course Scotland is NOT a democracy, it is a colony of England. (If we were not a colony, we would get the government we elected, rather than the one England literally forces upon us).

I do think, no matter the sentence with Craig, they have made a grave error in prosecuting Craig Murray. He intends to see them in the supreme court. I’ll enjoy that.

Mibbes once it does reach the supreme court, and potentially the European court of human rights, shaming Scotland’s justice system on the world stage, Humza will wake up – or Maybe Humza is part of the problem?.

And let’s not forget, those behind this (from the laughingly titled ‘uk government in Scotland‘ (do they even realise how colonial that sounds?)) really do actually want to destroy the Scottish legal system.

The Scottish legal profession really does need to wise up, otherwise, history might eventually show them as the legal equivalent of turkeys voting for Christmas.

Nally Anders says:
25 March, 2021 at 7:55 pm
Isn’t it odd that it took 7 weeks to reach a verdict, notably just one week after the Inquiry and Hamilton submitted their reports.
And isn’t it odd that a sentence will not be passed until after the election results will be known.
It almost looks like Craig’s fate depends on Sturgeons.
Just a thought.

Even in light of all of the evidence one refuses to believe the reach of the stench of politically motivated corruption, these coincidences make it very hard to countenance a political motivation to the timings. One would be dubious. Two are a slam dunk.

@Robert Louis – Almost 7-years ago I was involved with one of the Scottish Government’s top private law firms. This firm get paid tens of millions per year by the SG for advice.

I told them….you’re building a school on a site which will turn into a swamp in a few years time and swallow-up the school. I know about this subject and have dealt with it twice before and so please get it checked.

That law firm took a lot of money from me but actually did nothing. The school was built and now it is being swallowed-up by the swamp.

My MSP is the forensic MSP from Dumbarton and so that should give everyone confidence. Maybe so, but she works at Holyrood and that should give no-one confidence.

Instead of getting it checked, the Scottish Government consult with lawyers…we all know that routine by now, don’t we. They hide things, refuse to answer, delay and redact. Soon enough 7-years have gone by. Hundreds of thousands have been paid to lawyers, but nothing has been done to the school. It is still open.

Anyway, the latest of these lawyers has been working on the case for 3-months. He’s a bright guy and so I sent him the correct information last week. Nothing hidden or redacted or anything like that. I copied it to the forensic MSP from Dumbarton and the teaching union so thay all have it.

A week went by and I heard nothing. Then, all of a sudden, I received 6 emails in 5 days from Scotgov promising to investigate and respond.

But, don’t get ahead of yourself as we have an unsolvable quandary now, don’t we? 4No separate Scottish Government lawyers have been checking this school for 7-years and haven’t managed to conclude anything because they haven’t been given the information. Now a member of the public just sends them the correct information in a single email. It can now be solved in days…What do we all do now?

I have suggested to everyone that they just call in the Health and Safety Executive. Give them the information, my information and the Scottish Government’s information and let them balance one against the other and decide. They’ll do that in 24-hours. It really couldn’t be simpler.

That’s an example of the futility of Holyrood. Bordering on lawlessness if you ask me and it always reminds me in a bad way of how quickly and expertly these cases are dealt with by just about every other country in the world.