Officially Missing You
Posted on
April 25, 2023 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Wings always likes to correct any inadvertent errors as quickly as possible, so we were pleased to hear from an alert reader with a correction to this morning’s article in which we claimed that “we’re supposed to be less than six months away from a second indyref, but [Humza Yousaf] hasn’t even admitted that that isn’t happening”.
Our reader informed us that they’d actually had some communication with the Scottish Government on that matter, which we’re happy to share with you.
As far as we’re aware this fact has never been formally stated publicly before for some reason. But just in case you were still holding out hopes, now you know.
Wow, very good of your reader and you.
SNP embarrassed and caught being less than transparent or truthful again.
Hang on Stu, did I read this wrong? This is the Scottish Government officially acknowledging that Scotland is not an equal partner in the union and is actually saying that Scotland is effectively a colony? I’m dumfoonert.
Also, the UK does not have a written constitution but it does have the treaty of Union where Scotland and England are partners not one nation in servitude to another. Why isn’t the SNP recalling it’s ministers form WM in protest like Sinn Fein did in NI? I’m scunnered.
So it goes
The final can kicked down the road to the point when the UK Government engages in talks it has no intention of engaging in
SNP is in survival mode. The last thing the party is concerned about, is the electorate. The concern over votes, is for another day. Finances first and foremost on their minds.
Running the country is now an inconvenience!
Independence. When was that ever, a real concern of SNP?
I feel sure the National has been preparing a big front page splash.
I guess it’s down to the lay kafir then.
Questions arising are:
Is that how you spell kafir?
How many planks did I offend with the question?
How many Wings Happy Campers remember Haircut 100?
Cheers.
I would have thought it demonstrated the strength of the UK constitution. Some things are devolved and some things aren’t. Each level of governance knows what they are responsible for and what they aren’t. Is it a weakness of the UK constitution that Bucks County Council can’t declare war on Cuba or decide on gender recognition in Dundee?
As if anyone actually believed they would.
IT’S ALL BEEN A LIE
KICK OUT THE SNP
That was Nicola Sturgeon’s Supreme Court ruling in the wrong court in the wrong country. Nicola Sturgeon gave away Scotland’s sovereignty over referendums.
We did get the ‘continuity’ candidate after all, so no surprise.
Well, that’s actually quite clear.
But it is from the wrong source. Surely this should have come from the leader of the SNP and the First Minister of Scotland
– whoever that might be!
Surely, Useless cannot survive this.
The yoons must be rubbing their hands in glee.
A clearout is going to happen. Butto keep the transcult, a little longer, the branch election money is probably going to be ‘nuSNP ringfenced’.
nuSNP members get out now (and join Alba) before the transcult force you to re-mortgage your homes. This may not be absolute satire.
link to robinmcalpine.org
I don’t think anyone’s shocked by this but it does make clear to all bar the hardcore that the SNP are not interested in independence. They are however happy to use the promise of ‘fighting’ for independence as a strap line to help win votes and raise money.
There’s no political path for independence no. There’s options that can be taken by elected officials but they won’t take them, and this pattern of bullshit will carry on and on.
We’re in a mess constitutionally and in so many ways, but for the new cultural and political class in Scotland they’re enjoying boom times. There’s no easy way out of this and it may involve ensuring the SNP & Greens are voted out though Labour are a joke, and Alba are not realistic as an option. The Tories and Lib Dems can go to hell.
Of course things may change if Sturgeon is nicked and if it does all unravel for her, and the Stasi-like crew that surrounds her, then we may have a chance to rebuild.
Ask nicely for a referendum every so often.
That’s the sum total of their strategy.
You need to recall the comments of the Scotsman on their campaign of getting the Scottish Information Commissioner to take the SG to the Court of Session re legal advice on a referendum. The Scotsman won their case and forced the SG to a Supreme Court referral. The beginning of the end of the road for Nicola. As Salmond highlighted at the time. Reasons to be cheerful it’s the end of the SNP. Now Independence won’t be associated with dirty dealings.
About as surprising as CalMac cancelling a ferry service.
The only difference being that CalMac is actually concerned with transportation, whereas the SNP is absolutely NOT concerned with independence.
Troughing, benchwarming charlatans, the lot of ’em!
Can anyone explain then, what the newly created and appointed ‘Minister for Independence’ does on a day to day basis?
Next FOI question…how many people work in the ‘Directorate’ (!!!) for Constitution (somebody forget ‘the’?)?
In the DC there’s an Elections and FOI ‘Division’ and within the EFD, there’s a Referendum Scotland Bills Team.
My question of the day is therefore, to whom do I have to speak to get one of these coveted posts?
For such an important job, I have an almost perfect skill set. I have decades of experience making coffee, tea AND hot chocolate. I know ALL the major biscuit brands. I’ve got my own dart board. Strictly between us, in most of my other jobs, I’ve always been able to find a non-official exit so that if folk want to go up the town gallivanting, I will find that weak spot in security. I also have a bulging dossier with over 3,000 excuses for not turning up for work. I believe I will be an excellent addition to the team, if such a team exists.
I can also start as soon as possible. Thank you for the opportunity.
Yousaf told Andrew Marr on LBC tonight:
“Money that is raised from the membership by the party, we’re going to spend that in advancing the cause of independence referendum.
“We’re not reimbursing people for the donations that they have made.
Every pound and penny that we spend as a party will be on advancing the cause of independence.”
Except he’s not telling the truth.
Because Wings Over Scotland has revealed the truth, that the Scottish Government is not planning for a referendum.
@Alan Scott. Scotland was a declared & established Country (843 CE) before England (927 CE), but existed & was inhabited from around 12,000 BC. It’s the oldest Monarchy & 2nd oldest Country in Europe, & 5th oldest in the world. England was the one made up of “Counties” or “Regions” (7 small Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms), Northumbria, Mercia, East Anglia, Essex, Kent, Sussex and Wessex, before being brought together under one King. We were already a Kingdom. Folk should remember that before they sneer at us. We’re not & never have been a region, we’re a Country & proud Nation. Even the Romans couldn’t completely conquer us!
link to lbc.co.uk
Yousaf tonight on LBC:
“Look, money that is raised from the membership by the party, we’re going to spend that in advancing the cause of independence referendum…”
Also tonight. FOI:
“The Scottish Government is not planning for an Independence Referendum.”
SNP lies again. Trousering the Independence cash.
@ McHaggis69 says:25 April, 2023 at 11:02 pm
Can anyone explain then, what the newly created and appointed ‘Minister for Independence’ does on a day to day basis?
Appointed by who (or whom, for the pedants)?
If appointed by HY, then the ‘Minister for Independence’ has no legitimacy, cos the appointment of HY as FM was fraudulent, cos his election as SNP leader was fraudulent.
It’s a big house of cards built on quicksand. Nobody need take any of the charlatans and pretenders seriously.
The sooner the Indy movement grasps this nettle the better place the Indy movement will be in to move on. I don’t expect the opponents of Indy will be prepared to turn a blind eye to this fraud.
@McHaggis69 11:02pm
A job for a boy to make up for the hundreds of girls that have gained employment since 2015 and have delivered the current state of play. I resigned from the SNP in 2015 because it was obvious to me, that it’s the best person for the job. (And Nicola was a wrong un). As did most women. It should have been the best educated experienced and qualified person for the job not based on birth sex never mind gender. But that wasn’t the SNP way. A note of optimism it will only take 10 years to recover.
Look at the address folks.
That is an unelected Civil Servant, based in St Andrews House, telling you to bugger off, and also telling you, ‘never you mind what those elected reps say down the road, here’s the real orders.’
All very well, but what is Comical Ali Kavanagh saying???
Woof, woof, feckin woof.
Until SNP fiasco comes to a conclusion, the speculation is epic. Everything pivots on auditors. I hope it’s worth the wait. The status quo surely coming to an end, one way or another, by June.
I couldn’t bear anymore of the same. They shoot horses, don’t they?
SNP, Plan B, for Boredom, is failsafe.
Surely, a clamber to hammer home, the last nail in the 8×4 shutters, at Holyrood!
alan scott says:
25 April, 2023 at 10:26 pm
“I would have thought it demonstrated the strength of the UK constitution. Some things are devolved and some things aren’t. Each level of governance knows what they are responsible for and what they aren’t. Is it a weakness of the UK constitution that Bucks County Council can’t declare war on Cuba or decide on gender recognition in Dundee?”
Quite right.
I doubt the leaders of Bucks County Council would expect to be briefed on the situation in Sudan.
“Wings always likes to correct any inadvertent errors”
I take it, then, that when commenters courteously and rationally explain why something you say is wrong, and your response is to ban them, that indicates the error is deliberate?
So “a decision on whether a referendum will be held is for the UK Government and Parliament” but the GRA is for Holyrood to decide? We see where your priorities are.
And the mad thing is that if the SNP had actually done something about independence in the last decade then the GRA might have been in the power of the Scottish Government.
But when you’re so far up the road of doublethink that 2+2 equals whatever the party says it means, even though it might not have yesterday and certainly won’t in a week, you’re absolutely fucked.
SNP Minister for Independence (and Silly Walks), to attend AUOB Rally?
Bicycle Repair Man on standby.
And now for something completely different…. Please ffs!
I wonder if Rebecca from the “Directorate” could maybe give us a copy of the uk constitution that she refers to
I have a genuine question for the remaining 72,000 ???? members of the snp , Were you aware that nicola had this information all the time and has been deliberately lying to you and to the WHOLE of Scotland
Are you happy that the person you continually voted for to get Scotland independence has deliberately conned you and Scottish people
In light of this deliberate DUPLICITY and ongoing corruption and lies by her and her accomplices within the snp hierarchy do you believe this woman???? and her accomplices should be charged with deception and obtaining money under false pretenses in other words FRAUD
Will the devotees or cult members on paypal pauls site know what this means, will their heads EXPLODE or is it WM bad Tories BAD BAD BAD
I noticed the bobbing blinker when she was selling her “I know nothing” bovine excrement to the meedja, big honest John the head redactor minder was standing at her back ready to rip any unsuspecting undiplomatic questioner to SHREDS
So here is a rough translation of that government letter of servitude to England.
‘We in the Scottish Government would love to have an independence referendum (as we were elected to do), but England won’t let us. So, we’ll do nothing.
We are most certainly NOT going to stand up for Scotland’s rights and consitutional agreement which is a fundamental part of the bilateral treaty between Scotland and England. We’re just going to whine about it a bit, but we certainly have zero intention of citing the Scottish claim of right which is enshrined in the treaty of union, or for that matter even the terms of the treaty itself, whereby Scotland is an equal VOLUNTARY partner.
No, all of that would be too much bother. We will of course, keep on cashing those lovely MP/MSP paychecks (private school fees really have skyrocketed, dontchaknow), and playing pretendy government. If you want independence, the SNP is not for you, mibbes give Alex and his Alba party a go instead.’
So the Bank of England’s “ top economist “ says that people in the U.K. need to accept they are poorer ( I suppose that includes himself ?) .” Better together “ then folks . Perhaps we should seek a new “ Better together” partner such as Norway ?
Now that Beattie has admitted he did know about the campervan, is anyone going to ask him why he didn’t think of selling it rather than grasping around for dodgy loans?
A reminder to “ useless”
The £667,000 was not raised by SNP members alone. It was siphoned from YES supporters.
Non-SNP members did not donate to top up the gravy train. They donated to a ring fenced Indy2 fighting fund. It is very convenient for the SNP to twist this into an internal SNP cash management private spend – it was not to fund SNP operations or HQ spongers.
A Ring fenced Indy2 fundraiser is not a “do as you please” gift.
One day, they will run put of excuses.
(they used up the honest ones a long time ago).
Geoff Anderson @7:32
Agreed.
New FM certainly keeping the continuity going – another chancer incapable of distinguishing truth from fiction.
Rebecca Whyte, job title and contact details conveniently missing so she cannot be contacted back, claims in her letter
“Despite repeated election results returning a majority of Scottish MPs and MSPs who advocate a referendum, a decision whether a referendum will be held is for the UK government and parliament”
But this is incorrect, isn’t it?
Firstly, it is not for England MPs to decide if the sovereign people of Scotland has a referendum to terminate the union or not. That is a decision for the sovereign people of Scotland to make and for their representatives to implement. England MPs are not the representatives of the people of Scotland. Never were and never will be.
Secondly, the UK government and Uk parliament are byproducts of the Treaty of Union 1707. They are not above the people of Scotland. The people of Scotland is above them. If the union ends, Scotland remains while those entities disappear. They have therefore a very high vested interest in the union to be preserved.
Thirdly, what preserves this union is the fact that Scotland’s representatives in Westminster, and that includes the 45 or so allegedly anti-union MPs operating under the SNP flag, are actually doing everything in their hands to mislead the people of Scotland and to preserve that union, rather than terminating it, which is what they were sent to Westminter to do.
What this means, is that the reason why Scotland has not had an independence referendum, despite sending countless democratic mandates for it, is that our MPs are refusing our legitimate right to hold one and are acting as gatekeepers of the crown by shredding our democratic mandates one by one.
Claiming it is the UK gov, the UK parliament or an English court or another representing the crown, is a convenient way to deflect accountability from the SNP MPs for systematically and deliberately suppressing for 7 effing years the legitimate right of the people of Scotland to self-determine.
Besides being another arm of the crown, the Supreme Court is a byproduct of the union, and that if you actually believe it is a legitimate construct in line with the Treaty of Union. I do not, I think it is a violation of the fundamental articles of the Treaty and therefore do not think this entity has any authority whatsoever over the people of Scotland on constitutional matters. The only reason why seemingly it has, is because our MPs and MSPs insist in betraying Scotland by giving that English court legitimacy on our behalf but ultra vires, without our consent.
Besides, this English court, a byproduct of the union, has a vested interest in the continuation of the union because if the union ends, this court ends with it too. For this reason, it is unthinkable anything done in this English court can be considered impartial when it comes to constitutional matters related to Scotland.
So Ms Whyte is talking a lot of bollocks, as you would expect from a UK civil servant working for one of the arms of the crown in Scotland and being told to fob off any attempts to end the union.
I wonder if Ms Whyte will be lined up for a price, as the Treasury UK civil servants were in 2014 for breaking the Civil SErvice code of conduct to “figh to save the union”.
It gets more disgusting by the day. Lie upon lie and go slow police investigations.
Scotland the land of the enlightenment – ha bloody ha.
Of course should you hold the Scottish people to be sovereign and the Holyrood assembly to be a manifestation of that sovereignty there is no problem with calling a referendum at any time.
If not Westminster is where the action is, where you need the simple majority of seats as the Westminster system requires for any «constitutional» matter.
Dogs chasing tails soon ceases to amuse.
Anybody on here see a majority for independence at the moment? Anybody seen detail on how financial viability will be achieved to make voters clear what they will be voting for? Well I certainly haven’t, so why campaign for a referendum when the work hasn’t been done to win it? I want to be thin, but can’t face planning the diet because it will only put me off. The independence movement needs real, honest leaders. Maybe Forbes, but most independence politicians are doing it for a living, not for the country.
@ Mia
Re. The section you quote. Rebecca, meet Ruth.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
So why have Scottish government appointed an Independence minister. Its clear a referendum can’t be held so to honor these mandates what does the SNP plan to do and what has been done so far NOTHING.
So what happens when Westminster recognises Devolution has failed?
SNP has helpfully provided all the evidence of that failure. The Holyrood Parliament now approaching critical mass. Redundancies within the leading party, now immanent.
Does Westminster come to the rescue of SNP, the parliament itself or decide enough is enough?
The answer should be obvious.
What then, for self-determination, when the infrastructure, for an independent Scotland, is prematurely dismantled?
The ‘party of independence’ miscalculations absolute. Abject failure. Financially and strategically, the electorate sold a pup, in the form of IndyRef2.
When Sturgeon finally identified a general election, as the mechanism for ending the Union, did that simply coincide with Holyrood becoming obsolete?
In the end, preserve of the Claim of Right, being all there is to cling onto. In so, who provides the manifestation of that mandate and how soon?
A quite different world.
link to weforum.org
link to off-guardian.org
We should thank the gods the first is true and the second a load of bollox….or is it the other way round.
Best go ask Humza, he knows stuff.
The Directorate for Constitution email address is ceu@gov.scot.
Why is Rebecca Whyte’s letter displaying a non-Government, PRIVATE HOTMAIL email address?
SNP policy? – using non-Government email addresses and burner phones is a PROVEN way FOR THE SNP to avoid FUTURE scrutiny and accountability.
@ Ladybirdonfire
Says, Why isn’t the SNP recalling it’s ministers from WM in protest like Sinn Fein did in NI?” Indeed why not, and it is because none of them will, that I have lost faith in politicians as well in Scotland.. Even the one FM I absolutely trusted..
Will not take this stance..
I had been trying to figure out what crazy criminal shit they were up to, to need burner phones, but of course it was because they got caught-out by their messages already, and this was their solution, makes perfect sense. And clearly they were all aware of the illegality of what they were doing by using burner phones to hide it, allegedly. Many of these folks should go to jail for they did.
So, Beattie was led away to a dark room by his minders and suddenly he remembers the Motorhome purchase. (At least for today)
I suppose if you can get members to believe Men are Women the have multiple versions of the truth on finances is straight forward.
1984 Ministry of Truth….”the chocolate ration has increase” believe Big Brother not your senses.
All this stalling / delaying of Scotland being “allowed” to reconsider the question of re-turning to self-governance means our Scottish society’s demographics continue to alter with rUK immigration.
And also gives time for the potential passing of the Referendum Super Majority Bill for constitutional change within the UK.
link to bills.parliament.uk
Here we go. NS seems to be trying the “Poor Me!” routine now. When all else fails, “It wisnae me”. Aye right. Former friends, partners, close associates etc etc should be nervous – some people are about to be thrown under the bus big time. How many? As many as it takes, it seems, just to protect Her Majesty and repair a trashed reputation. The great NS restoration project begins in earnest. Who knows, she may just scrape that coveted UN position after all.
A Scottish Government communication from a ‘Hotmail’ address????
link to archive.is
Why are these journalists wasting their time interviewing Sturgeon?
Are they all getting paid to be Sturgeon’s spin doctors.
So help me God do they want us to think this is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
The bit where Colin Beattie says
“I was in Beirut, actually, when I was under artillery fire. That was worse.”
reminded me of Iain Gray when he escaped ‘The Killing Fields of Union Street’
link to youtube.com
“I’ve been in Rwanda just after the genocide. I’ve walked the killing fields of Cambodia and I was in Chile three days after Pinochet demitted office. I’ve been a lot of places, seen a lot of things – that certainly wasn’t the worst of them.”
In comparison Sturgeon has led a very sheltered life and this is her worst nightmare.
@ Mac
Re. Burner phones. It would be interesting to analyse the data and track the varying locations of temporary burner phones to see if they were regularly in the same proximity of other phones held by certain known individuals…
Pretty sure police can use device tracking data to see phones moving between mast transmitter areas, and this has been used in the past to confirm folk were in certain areas at certain times.
The “Not proven”verdict to be abolished in Scotland. Guess who returned to Holyrood yesterday.
When it happens (Holyrood, No more!) SNP will have imploded, their ruination being instrumental in the decision to end Devolution.
Where then, does the electorate turn, for self-determination at the ballot?
@George.
That,s the e mail address of the person they are replying to.
Surely this alone is sufficient reason to end the Treaty Of Union as one member is preventing the other from exercising their democratic right to exit the Union. No other evidence is required though there’s probably plenty available if necessary.Historically the SNP has dominated Elections invariably on a mandate of promising an attempt to obtain Independence. So what else can the people of Scotland do if not to have its country extricated from the Treaty of Union. Inarguable I would think.
Wow. It seems that some donors to the SNP referendum fund have already been reimbursed (after complaining).
Well, no longer, apparently – now it’s being claimed that any funds donated to the SNP were used legitimately in the “fight for independence”, so it’s all hunky dory. In other words, “Please don’t bother complaining or expecting any more paybacks (we don’t have the cash)!”.
I guess if there’s nothing left in the piggy bank, what else can they do? Perhaps, as compensation they could offer donors a timeshare in the SNP Motorhome (one week/year)?
Dan,
If only that could be done we could get the b……ds.
Unfortunately that’s why criminals use burners.
Without the sim and the phone itself they can’t be tracked.
Overall traffic in an area can perhaps be plotted but this identifies no-one.
On the other hand, analysis of social media may turn something up.
Remember this?
link to archive.is
Sturgeon’s lack of emails fuels claims she is dodging scrutiny
link to archive.is
Come clean on private emails, Nicola Sturgeon urged
Mr Cameron said.
“We have not been given the whole truth.”
So help me God I think he’s right. We have not been given the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
NB These articles are from way back in 2019.
link to archive.is
Transgender pupils ‘can be rejected’ by single-sex schools
The Department for Education was ordered by Rishi Sunak to speed up long-awaited guidance on the subject. It has been working with the office of Kemi Badenoch, the equalities minister.
It looks as if Rishi Sunak is a terf. The man knows what a woman is.
Regards SNP branches being cited, as ‘lender of last resort’, for the party.
The individual treasurers must be overjoyed at the prospect of flushing more cash down the pan.
If I was an SNP Branch Treasurer, I’d be taking advice regards the credentials of the supposed ‘party of independence’, their track record, including previous abuse of funds.
Mutiny aboard a sinking ship, could be considered the right course of action, especially when the good ship ALBA is at close quarters. The Treasurer has the key to the war chest, could be a long walk of a short plank! The sharks are circling.
You mean, you mean, ‘Free in ’23’ was just another carrot for all the stupid folks Scotland seems rammed full of?
Colour me surprised.
Whit daes an oppressed people expect fae ony colonial administration rin bi a compleecit naitional pairty – leeberation? Nae chance.
Scots fowk shuid anely expeck mair doun-hauden laa’s an muckle joukerie an pawkerie – much as we see, day in an day oot.
Thares nae ‘union’, thares anely colonialism an a doun-hauden fowk, wi leeberation the anely remeed.
“Daisy Walker says:
25 April, 2023 at 11:32 pm
Look at the address folks.
That is an unelected Civil Servant, based in St Andrews House, telling you to bugger off, and also telling you, ‘never you mind what those elected reps say down the road, here’s the real orders.’”
The one big benefit that I saw in having a parliament in Edinburgh was that you could get eye to eye with your MSP and Ministers. Now, however, you have as much chance of getting a personal response from the home grown parliament than from the other one in London.
I’ve just read the report that the SG is introducting legislation to abolish the Not Proven verdict and to reduce juries in criminal trials from 15 to 12. Sandy Brindley is, of course, all over it celebrating these attacks on the Scottish system. Of course rape is appalling, but it is not the fault of the juries that people accused of rape go free. It is to a large extent the fault of the police for not having properly trained personnel and systems that support rape victims. Brindley and Co seem to want us to assume guilt until proved innocent.
Law professionals as a rule do not seem to support these changes and I hope they organise themselves to oppose this. Yet another disastrous and wrong legislation from the Scottish Government.
It’s all very clear
The devolution settlement was very clear
If Scotland wants to change things the place to do so is Westminster, where they have representation
As we know there are groups who advocate all sorts of things, just because they claim to represent the electorate changes nothing, it still needs to be got through the UK parliament
Plus there was a referendum and the independence side lost the argument
All the froth on this website is irrelevant, you didn’t convince your fellow Scots. The perfidious English had nothing to do with it
What the SNP should have been doing is building an argument for independence, demonstrating how in practicalities it would work and building bridges with supporters in Westminster so that when they had an electoral consensus they could present a convincing case for another referendum
They didn’t do that. They ran a Ponzi scheme, fleeced the public finances to the benefit of their mates, and tried to turn Scotland into a fiefdom while irritating the English as much as possible and extorting money to be wasted on their schemes and scams
Their whole strategy was wrong and clearly aimed at self enrichment and concentration of quite significant power in a cabal of people, many unelected
Independence is an honourable goal,but supporters need to build their case, simply vilifying anyone who disagrees and blaming all of Scotland’s ills on Westminster, many of which are totally self inflicted by Holyrood won’t work, hasn’t worked and turns off a significant proportion of Scots
New broom and new thinking required I think.
Re stolen ring-fenced funds.
Would be interesting if someone seeking a refund raised a Small Claims Action (up to £3000) at their local sheriff court. Details of simplified process on line.
Well the anglicisation of Scots law is almost complete as the plans to do away with the no proven verdict have been published along with the plans to reduce our juries (if you’re lucky enough to get one) from fifteen jurors to twelve jurors has been approved.
One wonders if our judiciary and our lawyers have the backbone to stand up against this, or are most of them for it.
What’s left of our Scottish identity is under threat, as the SNP government and and the Tory government work in tandem to erase Scottishness.
Why would the SNP want to hold a referendum that they are 100% guaranteed to lose?
Far better to continue to dangle the carrots in front of the deluded faithful whilst the salaries, expenses and increases in the pension pots roll on.
Even the numpties in the SNP can see the benefits however, I suspect and hope they are on borrowed time.
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Get in the sea Starfish! 🙂
starfish….youve nailed the crux of the issue mate !!!
Is this email for real. I cant believe gov.correspndence is conducted with a hotmail account. IIs this person-Rebecca Whyte for real? Any way of checking?Or is it just more SNP ineptitude.
Don’t ask us for any donations back, your not getting a penny refund suckers.
“HUMZA Yousaf has ruled out refunding Indyref2 donations to unhappy SNP supporters just 24 hours after they were urged to get their money back fast.”
link to archive.is
We need to get the SNP out at every turn and vote for the Alba party.
As a Unionist who would you like to see in power at Holyrood?
Why would the UK Government not want to hold a referendum that they would win?
“A Scottish Government communication from a ‘Hotmail’ address????”
No, that’s the address of the person she’s replying to.
The Snp transparent with a heavy bias on Opaqueness LoL .
gp says:
26 April, 2023 at 10:50 am
“Is this email for real. I cant believe gov.correspndence is conducted with a hotmail account. IIs this person-Rebecca Whyte for real? Any way of checking?Or is it just more SNP ineptitude.”
The hotmail account is that of the person the Scottish Government are replying to – a member of the public.
21/04/23 – link to bbc.co.uk
Mr Yousaf told journalists: “I think there is money still absolutely outstanding to Peter Murrell in terms of the repayment of the loan.
25/04/23 – link to bbc.co.uk
Mr Yousaf told Journalists: “Money that is raised from the membership by the party, we’re going to spend that in advancing the cause of independence referendum.
“We’re not reimbursing people for the donations that they have made.”
It’s interesting isn’t it?
Theft by clandestine possession isn’t to be repaid,
Yet Peter Murrell is to be repaid? A man who’s home was raided by the fraud cops, who’s secret SNP caravan, that Colin Beattie didn’t know about, is in police custody?
And who’s government has confirmed no work on the second referendum is taking place.
The clock is ticking on the SNP and the proceeds of crime.
The Indy Swindlers. Get yourselves tae f*ck.
Why is Petunia Murrell to be repaid by the soon to be bankrupt SNP with no auditors?
But why are the Independence voters who were swindled out of a missing 600K, for a pretenderendum not to be paid?
Sickens me. Who do they think they are?
The SNPs branch money might be up for grabs if funds are tight.
Let me give you a possible way to judge this. You probably don’t know this yet but one of the things the SNP ‘team’ (or whoever is in charge) is briefing internally is that no-one should worry about money because ‘if the worst came to the worst’ there’s all the branch money.
“For those who don’t know about this, the SNP is supposed to be a party which is structured round its branches, the part of the party which used to have the real power (at some points in the past branches had too much power, if you can imagine it). All the branches have their own money, but it is kept in a single bank account managed by the party centrally.
There is something like £1 million in that account. None of it is the SNP’s, but it is there. So SNP central could indeed ask all the branches to hand over that money to stop the party going bankrupt if it came to it. That is the basis of their briefings – they definitely won’t go bankrupt because there is all that money there as a last resort.”
link to robinmcalpine.org
John C 10.45 .
You’ve discounted all the parties in Holyrood ( what may change if Sturgeon is exposed ) You’ve discounted ALBA Alba have still to be elected ( INDEPENDENCE 1ST & FOREMOST ) .
There is no way back for the SNP .
One wonders when the courts are going to step in on the BBC with a contempt of court charge.
Murrell’s lawyer would have a field day with the coverage so far.
If we’re going to have all these justice reforms then our corrupt legal system needs the biggest reform of the lot with a specialist career track for judges. We need to gradually take the ex-advocates and ex-solicitors out of the judiciary so that all those relationships built up over decades can no longer influence legal outcomes.
Our legal system pretends to be like some old-timey specialist bespoke tailor but the reality is it’s more like a raggedy jumble sale.
Lastly, is anyone else uncomfortable that a tired-out, corrupt SNP is making such ‘far-reaching’ changes now? This isn’t a proof of govt virility, more like premature ejaculation…
Alf Baird 10.18am:
“…leeberation? Nae chance.”
Absolutely right and beautifully expressed unlike some of the mind-numbing gibberish of recent weeks.
Wind back to BBC Shortbread ‘Debate Night’ from Aberdeen on 29th March after Yousaf’s triumph.
The SNP’s
@KarenAdamMSP
shared her view on what an independent Scotland would look like, and how it is not “an abstract idea.”
“That looks like progress, that looks like equality, that looks like human rights.”
So was she really talking about independence? No.
What slipped out in the regurgitated spew of diced veg was the giveaway: “we want full devolved powers”.
SNP’s newest recruits must like carrots too.
Some good justice reforms would be getting that journalist jailing Lady Dorian, the judge in the failed Alex Salmond conspiracy booted out.
Tick-tock
link to twitter.com
Re. Kate and Ladybirdonfire
I think I’m right in saying Neale Hanvey MP has written for WoS before. Maybe the Rev could ask him to write a piece again this time giving us an assurance that Alba will put in its next Westminster election manifesto a clause saying any Alba candidate elected to Westminster will NOT take their seats in that cesspit?
Why support Alba if it’s just going to be another gutless party like the SNP?
another gutless party like the SNP?
Indeed. But then, Alba believe in that English institution the so called Scottish parliament. That institution reports to Westminster it can do nothing without Englands permission. It is a creature of England. We were duped into thinking otherwise, it’s the biggest mistake we have ever made. We have to get rid of it we will never get independence while it exists.
I admit it now I am ashamed at being taken for a right mug and voting for devolution, it’s hard to admit you are wrong but we will all have to do so. We have to move on.
Who is winding up whom with this (fake?) email?
Btw this morning I accidently turned on Good Morning Scotland and heard a KC rip the rape crisis woman to pieces. He was so effective I don’t think she realised. How do these people get in place an absolute Muppet.
Something you probably missed.
The WEF, GOOGLE, cryptocurrency implosion and staying squeaky clean.
link to nypost.com
Finding any critical analysis of orgs.such as Google and the WEF or indeed of any establishment structure, including the British State apparatus, is becoming more difficult.
Hiding in plain sight is a ploy of those claiming to be open, neutral and not doing «evil».
“Merganser says:
26 April, 2023 at 12:11 pm
Who is winding up whom with this (fake?) email?”
Factually; there is nothing to suggest it’s fake. – The individual who authored this letter can be verified as a ‘Team Leader, Elections Team at The Scottish Government’ and the text entirely consistent with the Scottish Government’s position.
…If you’r picking up on the ‘hotmail’ address, it has already been pointed out several times that this is the email account of the recipient.
Please do provide some evidence for your assertion; I for one am genuinely interested.
“Ministers will also have the power to carry out a pilot of rape trials being conducted by a single judge without a jury.”
And so another step in the corrupting of Scotland’s legal system. A single judge should *NEVER* be allowed in something as serious as a rape case. This article also goes on about too many guilty walking free, so what do they call not jailing someone for rape if they’re under 25-years-old?
And don’t worry, Scotland, rape victims are to get access to a “special commissioner” and a special sex crimes Court. That’ll really scare the bejesus out of any wannabe rapist, eh? (sarcasm) link to archive.is
The current state of this UK. Sturgeon is 100% responsible for keeping Scotland chained to this. If she thinks ditching the title absolves her of any blame she’s got another think coming. She still has her snout in the trough and all the trimmings of wealth from 8-years of doing nothing but draining the system for all she could get.
“We’re all worse off’: People urged by Bank of England to ‘accept’ being poorer” link to archive.is
Murrell Enterprises Ltd,
in Association with Sturgeon’s Rancid SNP,
Present…
THE GREAT INDYREF2 SWINDLE
With Music By the Sex Deniers
Written & Directed by Peter Murrell
Executive Producer Nicola Sturgeon
Special Guest Appearance by Colin Beattie
Released by COPFS Productions Ltd.
“The Party that incriminates itself”
Written and oral evidence available on Police Scotland digital video and audio cassette.
Exactly 4 weeks (28 days) since Humza Yousaf was elected First Minister of Scotland and Keeper Of the Great Seal.
As we all know, but are studiously ignoring, elected by a process which was so flawed and fraudulent that the likes of Biden and Trump would weep tears of pure joy and gratitude if evidence of any similar travesty were available to them for utilisation against their political opponents.
But this is Scotland, settled in its comfort zone as the best, wee, third-world country in the world. I am starting to resign myself to the reality that Truss’s record of 44 days will stand unopposed. Cos nobody is going to even try to get HY’s title declared illegitimate or demand that the election process be re-run fairly, openly and free of interference from people mired in allegations of corruption and criminality.
It’s a sad state of affairs.
Matt Quinn @ 12.30.
I saw the response to the hotmail point – that doesn’t bother me.
But for such an important announcement, it doesn’t seem right to come from a mere ‘team leader’, Elections Team, whatever that is.
Also all FOI requests are answered by a dedicated department. The heading on the letter suggests the Directorate for the Constitution has its own FOI department which doen’t seem right.
Its hard to believe that Stu. wouldn’t have checked this out before posting this article – unless he is doing the winding up!
No doubt he will put me right if I am talking rubbish.
The SNP are Scottish colonial administrators for the English Crown.
I suggest, where possible, vote Alba Party and never vote SNP.
Consider tactical voting to beat the SNP as the SNP are also Unionists.
But keep in mind:
UK Privy Counsellor, Alex Salmond recently declared the King of England his sovereign overlord. Remember that when he tells you the people of Scotland are sovereign and suggests he would do any different from the subservient SNP, when England says NO to democracy and self-determination for Scotland.
“How courtesy would seem to cover sin, when what is done is like an hypocrite”
So, finally the slab is overset, and the Scottish Government Constitution and Cabinet Directorate appear blinking in the light – I do hope they have the old Raybans handy.
“Look how thou stirrest now! come away, or I’ll fetch thee with a wanion”
For what engages those seekers of Scottish independence more than constitutional issues; what is bemoaned more, than the lack of clarity, and communication of Scotland’s constitutional status from Her representatives – aye even across all parties.
*Googles popcorn wholesalers.
It has always been a personal amusement to read and discuss constitutional issues btl on Wings – lacking of course an arbiter, no debate is ever settled.
So lay away lads n’ lassies, lay away, and aim low.
“..those men blush not in actions blacker than the night, will shun no course to keep them from the light”
link to jonathonshafi.substack.com
Can the government survive another couple of years if the party collapses?
In the National yesterday, Stephen Flynn said; “The people of Scotland need to have the right to determine their own future and Holyrood should be empowered to do that.”
Our ignorant politicians need to do their homework before they spout such drivel!
The people of Scotland don’t ‘need’ that right, they already own it, and have done for more than 1200 years, and nobody on the entire planet has any legitimate authority to deny them it! Holyrood may not have been empowered by Westminster’s English establishment to give effect to that right, but as Scotland’s actual sovereigns, we are fully entitled to delegate such power to Holyrood, and given the many democratic mandates we’ve already sent it on that matter, Holyrood and our local authorities must understand that we’ve already authorised that power. Holyrood just needs to fill out the paperwork to make it legal under Scotland’s own constitution, and that doesn’t need Westminster’s permission at all. If Westminster complains, it just needs told as bluntly, sharply or pointedly as needed that Holyrood must answer to Scotland’s sovereignty first and foremost, because it outranks any authority of Westminster’s.
Both Westminster and Holyrood, as well as our own local authorities, need to be told in no uncertain terms that we the people of Scotland are the sole owners of the full sovereignty (AKA ultimate authority) of our country and Kingdom, and nobody outranks us in that domain. Westminster knows perfectly well what sovereignty is, so it hasn’t a leg to stand on, but it will do what it always does when challenged, it will bluster and threaten, and pretend to owning authorities it doesn’t have and can’t properly justify and hope the challengers will be worn down and eventually give up.
Well we’ve been here for 1200 years already, and we aren’t going anywhere anytime soon!
Also, in the National today, Alyn Smith said;
“This is because my country is Scotland. The United Kingdom is not my country – it is a state composed of four nations.”
This is constitutionally inept; the United Kingdom is what it says on the tin! It is a composite state made up of two kingdoms, each of which is fully sovereign, meaning neither is subservient to the other. Those two kingdoms agreed to create a new single parliament that would jointly govern both kingdoms, under a Treaty which set the terms of that joint governance. Scotland’s Kingdom contains its own single nation, but England’s Kingdom contains three nations. Those three nations still represent only one of the two partners of the Union.
The Treaty’s terms do not confer authority over Scotland to England’s MPs, nor to England’s Parliament. It did delegate some Scottish authority but not Scottish sovereignty over Scotland to the new UK Parliament, and that delegated authority took the form of Scotland’s MPs taking up seats in the new UK parliament, specifically to represent the sovereign Scottish partner in the Union. But Westminster’s English establishment never amended its internal voting system to respect the sovereignty of its new partner represented by his MPs in its chambers. That on its own is a grave abuse of the Treaty and of the sovereignty of the Scottish partner’s kingdom.
The English partner in the Union has no legitimate authority over Scotland, nor over Scotland’s MPs, nor over the UK or even over England. This is because, being in a Union, neither partner can represent the Union on his own and therefore isn’t entitled to pass legislation on his own within the Union because the Union didn’t pass it, and also because such unilateral legislation can’t be forced on the other partner’s kingdom in the first place because that kingdom’s own sovereignty outranks all foreign authority. This is just as true for England as it is for Scotland.
NS in tears today:
‘There are many questions that I would want to be able to answer and in the fullness of time I hope I will answer but it would be wrong and inappropriate for me to go into any detail of what the police are currently investigating.’
Cynics may see this as just another stalling effort:
Now that has the ring of truth, based as it is on her responses at the last enquiry.
I am hoping the new auditors can’t be appointed by May 31, meaning (hopefully) that we Scots can demand a HR General Election. Looks like that is what it will take to turf imposter Yousaf out on his ear.
“We’ll just have to hope an Independent minded resident Scot wins big in the Lottery and lives a long, healthy, productive life. Unlike the last ones.“
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The last ones were the late Colin Weir and his wife, Christine .
Colin grew disillusioned with the SNP’s use of his donation and asked for it back. Remember that next time you play back Sturgeon’s whinge to the NEC about not talking finances- especially her remarks about donors.
He was also a donor to Partick Thistle football club who made productive use of his cash.
A stand is named after him at Firhill Stadium . In his will, he left a fair chunk his fortune to that club, so that the fans could own it.
He left nothing to the SNP, a cause, like Thistle’ s, about which he was passionate most of his life.
Why was that?
Tammany Hall aka Glasgow City Council to cut homeless folks access to medical services. Those b*stards running the GCC are a disgrace.
“Doctors have called on Glasgow health leaders to reverse the closure of a specialist GP service for the homeless, warning that the move will have “significant negative consequences” for patients.”
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/23481064.closure-glasgow-homeless-gp-service–worrying/
“We’ll just have to hope an Independent minded resident Scot wins big in the Lottery and lives a long, healthy, productive life. Unlike the last ones.“
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The last ones were the late Colin Weir and his wife, Christine .
Colin grew disillusioned with the SNP’s use of his donation and asked for it back. Remember that next time you play back Sturgeon’s whinge to the NEC about not talking finances- especially her remarks about donors.
He was also a donor to Partick Thistle football club who made productive use of his cash.
A stand is named after him at Firhill Stadium . In his will, he left a fair chunk his fortune to that club, so that the fans could own it.
He left nothing to the SNP, a cause, like Thistle’ s, about which he was passionate most of his life.
TWO Lifelong passions: Partick Thistle, left a fortune;
SNP, not a penny.
Why was that?
John Main@2.01
“Cynics may see this as just another stalling effort:“
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What a thought: perish it!
GO FOR IT (informal idiom)
To do anything you have to in order to get something.
Does Mr Flynn & his colleagues know the expression?
We are not in a treaty of parliamentary union with England since 1707.
Because the Scottish parliament was extinguished by the tender of the treaty and ratified by both parliaments, in 1707.
Scotland is a Colony, the Colonial ( Scotland) stock acts from Westminster assert this, you will find the info in Hansard.
Xaracen.
For once I tend to agree with you if we, presume that the treaty is a fact?
Although the one bone of contention I still have, is that the United Kingdom parliament site of Westminster contends that the Scottish parliament ceased to exist and was extinguished in 1707 before the union parliament happened by ratifying it out of the treaty,
It was suggested in the House of Commons to change th the the word “Colony” because of its bad historical associations to “Commonwealth and its Dominions”
So Scotland became part of the Commonwealth and her Dominion, aka colonised Scotland,
Which is why Westminster parliament site today thinks there is no kingdom of of Scotland inthe treaty of union.
Since 1707 they have made the presumption that Scotland was colonised and is extinguished from the treaty of union by agreeing to the tender of union.
This is what it declares on the UK parliament site in 2023.
The 1707 Scottish Parliament was Ratified out of the treaty of union and extinguished from the treaty of union, agreed upon by both the Scottish parliament and the English parliament of Westminster in 1706/ 1707.
The ratification agreement was that there was no existing Scottish parliament in the union of parliaments,
What took place in 1707 and thereafter was the Colonisation of Scotland, The ceased Scottish parliament cannot send voted for representatives from the people of Scotland from a parliament that does not exist since 1707.
We are voting solely for representatives of a English Westminster Parliament, that Colonised Scotland without us having a Scottish parliament still in existence in the treaty of the union.
That is why Westminster UK parliament site does not see Scotlands parliament as part of the treaty of union today.
Merganser says:
26 April, 2023 at 12:56 pm
“But for such an important announcement, it doesn’t seem right to come from a mere ‘team leader’, Elections Team, whatever that is.”
Well for a start, there is no ‘announcement’ here – merely a response to a letter or email correspondence; which merely confirms in writing something many people would have already known.
– The post in question seems to be a relatively senior one, as the author of that letter holds a triple to degrees from Cambridge in ‘nothing-in-particular’, the highest being a Doctorate.
Also all FOI requests are answered by a dedicated department. The heading on the letter suggests the Directorate for the Constitution has its own FOI department which doen’t seem right.
There is nothing here to suggest that this is a response to an ‘FOI’ request, which do take a particular format and would require a specific form of response. -The “dedicated department” you refer to is actually part of the ELECTIONS AND FOI DIVISION of the DIRECTORATE-GENERAL CONSTITUTION AND EXTERNAL AFFAIRS.
…There is therefore nothing remotely irregular about non-FOI correspondence being responded to in plain letter form.
One Penny Curtis is (or was) the Head of Elections and FOI Division at one point – based at St Andrew’s House, Regent Road, Edinburgh,EH1 3DG. I’m sure if you wrote to her, she would confirm the authenticity of that letter.
…For the record, I’m not a great ‘devotee’ of Stu or his Journalism; but you’re correct in saying “Its hard to believe that Stu. wouldn’t have checked this out before posting this article”. I certainly did upon reading it (I work in media myself) and a few minutes desk work confirmed the basics.
-There is nothing to suggest that the letter is a fake. But if it is, I feel fairly confident that the relevant department will be aware and take appropriate action.
Westminster parliament never ceased to exist in the faux treaty of union of parliaments.
But the Scottish parliament ceased to exist in the Faux treaty of parliamentary union.
Therefore once the tender of union agreement was ratified, there was no 1707 Scottish parliament in the Faux treaty of parliamentary union.
It was extinguished from the parliamentary treaty of union with Westminster’s parliament.
The presumption by the people of Scotland was that they had a Scottish parliament sitting in Westminster parliament. This is not so in reality.
Cynicus says:
26 April, 2023 at 2:14 pm
SNP, not a penny.
Why was that?
My take on it, is that Alex Salmond was friendly with Christine and Colin Weir and they shared his vision for Scotland and bought into it. The Nicola Sturgeon no plan for the future of Scotland and the one for Alex Salmond was beyond the pale, they had no choice but to walk away and quickly at that !
Matt Quinn @ 3.57.
Thanks for all that. I’ll wait for my arse to be kicked by Stu. now.
I am not English nor an English subject. Because Westminster says something it doesn’t make it so. FFS. Take your treaty and shove it where the sun don’t shine.
The difference between an Irish handshake and a grovelling Scottish handshake
link to twitter.com
” but it does have the treaty of Union where Scotland and England ”
This is the federalist false framing used by SNP et al to generate grievance out of thin air.
There is no ongoing treaty of union. The UK is a unitary state created by a treaty of union.
Scotland is a part, not a partner, in the UK.
Moreover, Scotland is the first and only part of the UK to receive any form of constitutional privilege over any other (the West Lothian Question)
I made comment in the National about this letter being available on wings, and panic ensued, lots of negative’s and denial about its authenticity and accusations of false news, lots of blinkered SNP vassals on the comments sections unfortunately.
If you think the Treaty of Union with England is dodgy, you better not look at how Scotland came together and try to justify her existence.
If we want independence we need to build the case now, not try and hark back to historical technicalities.
pwgc says:
26 April, 2023 at 8:32 am
Anybody on here see a majority for independence at the moment?
There is:
Our elected MPs at Westminster are sufficient to vote for independence. Those with independence on their election bumf. That’s 48 of the 59. (But the Lib/Dems support Home Rule? So maybe 50 out of 59?)A good enough majority to secede.
Forget opinion polls and referenda. Forget haggling over natives and foreigners. Get those who were elected on the “independence ticket” to reach for their courage and take that vote.
We know who they are. Put them all in the same room. Vote to secede. They will be the new Government. Tell the world.
Then get on with the work of running a small country.
Enough hot air. Enough flannel, enough small stuff. Sweep away those in Holyrood.
Vote to secede. Just do it. It’s not difficult.
Geoff Sturgeon says she feels proud to be British.
Sturgeon’s identity transitioned from Scottish nationalist to English nationalist, from 2017 onwards.
She sang God Save the King. She was the waitress at Cop 26. ‘A nation in waiting, welcomes the nations of the World.’ The flashing cameras for her selfie portfolio were enough to educe an epileptic fit.
I have a theory that she sold out ScotWind. There and then, to get in with the Royals as they would profit. Just around the time of Prince Andrew settling his case with Virginia Roberts in a pay off.
Now Scotland has been mugged off by Nicola to the tune of 60 billion for our renewables energy future.
Not only did she want to close off the referendum route. She wanted to destroy Scotland’s potential as an Independent country before it began. Ensuring she leaves a lasting legacy.
I want her in jail. I absolutely despise her.
It is entirely a case of not using intelligence , logic and historical content that leaves Scotland far behind in the game of politics, or rather it is convenient to say not to talk about events from the past.
However it does no unionist any favours to spout this tripe, as the same arguement is used in reverse to tell Scotland it is in a union from 1707 and therefore not able to choose freely to go independent from the union.
Both sides of this debate are polar opposites! Both cannot be argued to to correct historically,nor can both fit accurately in the vision of a union.
Either we talk of a union from 1707 that is supposed to hold Scotland to it or we can safely argue that we do not have any confirmation that Scotland is in a union.
The 1707 Scottish parliament is Officially Missing from the treaty of the union tender of agreemement that was ratified by England and Scotlands parliaments individually.
Antoine Bisset,
Why are We electing Scottish representatives from a legislated Westminster devolved government from Westminster and not from a Scottish parliament that was supposed the exist within the treaty of union?
Both are Westminster, are they not?
What’s with Humza meeting Sunak away from downing Street.
What do they not want minutes.
Starting to sound like the meeting Nicola had with Theresa May in a hotel in Glasgow.
No minutes!!¡
David Hannah.
A extinguished Scottish parliament cannot be a equal or a part participant in the treaty of union.
And the UK parliament site 2023 states that the Scottish parliament was extinguished in 1707.
With the Scottish parliament extinguished in 1707, not just subsumed,
There is no treaty of parliamentary union between Scotland and England,
What the snp or the Devolved government from Westminster does in under Westminster legislation, not the Scottish parliament “that was excluded from continuation into the treaty of union in 1707” by the ratified acts of the tender of union agreement by both parliaments.
I know this is off topic but I suspect it will be of interest to the good Rev.
Microsoft’s takeover of Activision Blizzard has been blocked by the CMA.
It is good to see American big tech getting its wings clipped.
There isn’t really a lot of work to be done in that area. The work was done in 2014.
As it stands 100% of the Scottish electorate could support independence but it wouldn’t make any difference.
The problem we need to solve is not what currency we would use, if we should join the EU, Nato & all the rest but how do we escape from this English colony?
I bet that was at Humza’s request.
I pretty sure this is how the meeting went.
Humza: I demand a section 30.
Sunak: Would have gone with either
1. Now is not the time
or
2. Once in a generation.
Perhaps both.
God knows what Humza said then but ‘quite frankly my dear….’
Why do we have to build a case for making our own decisions as a country?
It’s a perfectly normal and rational situation.
What’s not normal or rational is to have another country to make decisions for you.
There is nothing wrong with collaboration for mutual benefit, there is everything wrong with the ‘like it or lump it attitude of Westminster, especially when every sane person knows, what England wants, England gets in this asymmetrical relationship.
So for the people who are demanding reasons to leave an illogical association from Scotland’s aspect, you are the the unreasonable ones.
A country making decisions for itself is a normal state of affairs.
What we have now is an abnormal state of affairs.
Wake up please.
So the Plan B of a plebiscite election has been given up then?
I see a lot of talk of colonies, and colonialism. Colonialism is one thing, a Colony is another. One thing Scotland is not, is a Colony, nor Dominion of the UK.
I understand the hyperbole, but such a thing has a very specific nature in UK statute. Were Scotland to actually be a Colony, or Dominion of the UK, Holyrood would have vastly greater powers to ‘Act’ than currently conferred.
I have previously (I think) boringly covered how much of a copypasta the Scotland Act 1998 was from the India Act of 1935, and other such Acts pertaining to the UK’s Colonies, and Dominions.
The India Act 1935 was a precursor to moving India to ‘Dominion’ status.
Prior to becoming a ‘Dominion’ India (and specifically her ‘Provinces’) could not repeal any Act of the British parliament without the approval of the Governor General, or make a law in relation to the Sovereign in any circumstance.
“…there shall not be introduced into, or moved in, either Chamber of the Federal Legislature, any Bill or amendment which…repeals, amends or is repugnant to any provisions of any Act of Parliament extending to British India’ etc.
That bit – in substance, if not wording – is retained in the Scotland Act 1998
Following Balfour and the subsequent incorporation of the Statute of Westminster(1931) into their own legislature; Dominion Parliaments had the autonomy, and right to amend, or repeal any legislation – in effect, they had the sovereign competence to do so.
“No Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom passed after the commencement of this Act, shall extend, or be deemed to extend, to a Dominion as part of the law of that Dominion, unless it is expressly declared in that Act that that Dominion has requested, and consented to, the enactment thereof”
“No law and no provision of any law made after the commencement of this Act by the Parliament of a Dominion shall be void, or inoperative on the ground that it is repugnant to the Law of England, or…any existing or future Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom…the powers of the Parliament of a Dominion shall include the power to repeal or amend any such Act, order, rule or regulation in so far as the same is part of the law of the Dominion
So, after becoming a Dominion with sovereign power to ‘Act’, India straight away deleted the whole “Ye canny pass laws we don’t like” part of the India Act 1935, before naturally binning it entirely, and becoming truly independent.
A UK Dominion, or Colony is conferred the sovereign power to hang about, or bugger off as it so pleases in UK statute law.
Scotland is patently not a Colony, nor Dominion, for we still have the offending clause binding our Parliament to sovereign UK Law – we’re not competent to ‘Act’ independently.
What is being argued when saying “We’re a Colony’? Do you want to be, because that’s a good way to achieve Independence, but good luck getting that on a banner, far less people to follow it.
“What do we want – to be a Colony of the UK!”
So, to use MK Dons infamous supporter’s chant “Who the F**k are we?”
Perhaps our new friends in the Constitution Department could answer that, but they really don’t want to tell you they haven’t worked it out yet either.
Fuck it! I’m going with Scotland is a colony whether ‘pedants’ like it or not.
If the choice is between believing Scotland was extinguished in 1707 and became ‘Lesser England’ and that Scotland is a country colonised by wankers then I’m going with the 2nd option.
I was going to type the full quote but
An Edinburgh University lecturer has been reported to the police for quoting Trainspotting – and he was shocked.
link to archive.is
SNP has never seriously considered the prospect of independence. Not even in 2014, when it became a near thing, I believe the party, had not anticipated nor properly planned for victory.
Since then, there can be no doubt, ‘now is not the time’, is meekly accepted by SNP. The Supreme Court non-strategy, evidence of Sturgeon’s insincerity.
Whatever the timescale is, if there is one, for Scottish independence, I believe the unification of Ireland, has priority in the grand scheme of things and that factor, is already known by Sturgeon.
The decision to dupe the Scottish electorate, with IndyRef2, would not have been made by Sturgeon, she is most certainly a puppet of the state. She would not lie so outrageously, without instruction from most senior Establishment involvement.
wullie at 12:09:
“another gutless party like the SNP??That institution (the Scottish Parliament) reports to Westminster it can do nothing without Englands permission. It is a creature of England. We were duped into thinking otherwise, it’s the biggest mistake we have ever made. We have to get rid of it we will never get independence while it exists.?I admit it now I am ashamed at being taken for a right mug and voting for devolution, it’s hard to admit you are wrong but we will all have to do so. We have to move on.”
Ruby at 6:20pm:
“The problem we need to solve is not what currency we would use, if we should join the EU, Nato & all the rest but how do we escape from this English colony?”
Oh dear. Devolution has of course been an opportunity to show how much better the country could be run. How’s that going? Don’t tell me if it had full autonomy it wouldn’t have come to this.
The details of how an independent Scotland would be run are exactly what needs to be ironed out in order to show both Westminster and the current ‘No’ voters why it would be viable. In theory the new ‘Independence Minister’ should be doing just that. (Or what else?) An “It’ll be alright on the night” approach just won’t cut it.
Very interesting the SNP is getting rid of not proven instead of going with proven and not proven as the two verdicts.
Also sexual assaults’ courts with no jury to “drive up convictions” presumably regardless of evidence.
Proposals all from a bunch of troughers with not a high court judge, an advocate or a lawyer in sigh.
Two proposals designed to fail and show the Scottish government as incompetent.
It appears there are people within the SNP deliberately pushing policies that will fail to call the Scottish government into disrepute.
Now who would want to do such a thing
@Ian Mhor
That’s interesting. I’m going to go and have a look. Thanks for that.
As for all the other legislation being quoted (Hansard too) where ‘Scotland’ and ‘colony’ are mentioned, not a single one of these acts is describing Scotland as a ‘colony’ as we understand that term in current debates. If the legislation was read properly and fully that would soon become clear.
I doubt we’ll see a PM and FM meet at any formal venue, (No.10 or Bute House), anytime soon, as it has too much a feel of a meeting of equals, or of individual Heads of State, for the Yoon palate.
Much better for Yoon sensitivities that these are held at ‘neutral’ venues away from the public gaze.
James Che says:
“Both are Westminster, are they not?”
The Commons MPs could all get on a train going North.
As the democratically elected MPs for Scotland their majority vote to secede is binding. Or, at any rate, is as good as we are ever going to get.
Let us have them do it. What’s the worst that can happen?
We’ve already seen, felt and suffered the worst that can happen, have we not?
James Jones says:
The details of how an independent Scotland would be run are exactly what needs to be ironed out in order to show both Westminster and the current ‘No’ voters why it would be viable.
No. that won’t work any more than the referendum and all thr hot air, and endless nitpicking, futile, discussions on the internet.
There is not the remotest possibility that the UK government will cooperate with any plans being produced. The UK government would have to sit down with the independence planners and go through every item from air traffic control to the tax on xylophones.
((Remember Brexit? We could have just left. WTO terms. Then talked. Brexit was a piece of cake by comparison.)
We need to leave. We need to do it ourselves. Any notion of a”Velvet Divorce” should be put aside.
“That institution (the Scottish Parliament) reports to Westminster it can do nothing without Englands permission”
I couldn’t disagree more. The only reason why what now is called “Scottish Parliament” reports to Westminster rather than to the people of Scotland, and represents the interests of a self-serving crown rather than the interests of the Scottish people, and the reason why it apparently “can do nothing” without England’s permission is becasue that is how our MPs and MSPs are making it to be.
The excuse that their hands are tied suits very well the lying troughers who do not see progressing independence in their personal interest but still want to be seen as pursuing it.
The problem is that when you take a step backwards, and 8 years of nothingness have given us plenty of time to step back and watch, you realise that it is our own MPs and MSPs who have willingly and enthusiastically tied their own hands themselves by embracing England’s convention of parliamentary sovereignty. This allows them very conveniently to claim they can do nothing other than dangling the indy carrot every now and then and insult us all by begging for an S30. Just as it was quite obvious why Sturgeon and the Lord Advocate sent the referendum bill directly to the English court, tied by parliamentary sovereignty, rather than to a Scottish one. But those obvious and desperate attempts to bullshit us do no longer fly.
The Scotland Act is only a straight jacket in Scotland because our MSPs insist in abide by it despite being a violation of Scotland’s Claim of Right and despite the Act itself being violated by the theft of powers by England MPs and the crown who stamped the law with the royal seal.
Holyrood has only fake powers rather than proper ones because our MPs have agreed to that with the England ones to retain those powers. Our MPs and the handful of Scottish Peers sitting in the HoL are the custodians of Scotland’s old parliament, not England MPs. It is Scotland’s MPs who have the power to end this 300 year old farce by declaring they transfer all Scotland’s powers from Westminster to Holyrood and proceeding to vacate the green seats.
If they have not done it is because they do not want this union to end making themselves jobless so they are quite happy to continue sucking at the teat of the union while they continue to fool the people of Scotland into believing they are actually doing something to progress independence. For the last 8 years, the useless SNP MPs have welded us more to the union rather than move us towards independence.
It has been wonderfully convenient for the SNP troughers under Sturgeon and now under Yousaf to put the blame for the lack of progress on independence on fake histrionics againts the tories or on byproducts of the union like the UK gov, an English court or the UK parl.
But the reality here is that the ones who were given the mandate TO DELIVER the referendum and to end this union (mandate given by means of an absolute majority of anti-union MPs) are our Scotland’s MPs and MSPs, not the England MPs or a bunch of England judges high on parliamentary sovereingty nonsense fumes.
England MPs and England judges are in no obligation to deliver our mandates. They were never elected by us and therefore they do not represent us. Scotland’s MPs and MSPs are the ones with the democratic and moral obligation to deliver those mandates they were elected on. But because they do not want to deliver them, they hide like cowards behind those union structures after handing to them vetoes they were not theirs to give.
I think it is time we focus our big canons of the bitterest criticism, fiercest scrutiny and the strongest possible demands of accountability for losing us 8 years of our valuable time and resources to where they belong: those who have been the real gatekeepers of the union, the real betrayers of the people of Scotland: our SNP MPs and MSPs.
Do we want independence?
If the answer to that question is yes, then we have to start by removing all those two-faced lying hypocrites who have been deliberately deceiving us for 8 years and substitute them with REAL anti-union MPs.
ONly then we will stop the embarrassing and frankly insulting farce of having to watch over and over and over again Scotland’s pretend FM of the day stupidly and voluntarily demoting Scotland to the status of a region of the Kingdom of England by pretending to beg for a referendum they do not want and they know will never be granted.
Scotland does not need permission from anybody else than itself to terminate this union, and that includes the crown our MPs and MSPs are so keen to serve and willing to help steal powers and democratic rights from us.
SNP MPs and MSPs are THE main obstacle to Scotland’s independence. Time to eject them from our seats.
@robertkknight says:26 April, 2023 at 8:38 pm
too much a feel of a meeting of equals
How can they be equals?
Sunak was put in place by a constitutional process. No way do I think it right that the WM PM be chosen by a few tens of thousands of Tory party members, but the time to fight that battle is lone gone. His election was held by the rules.
The other? The process by which HY was put in place was deeply flawed, openly rigged, and interfered with to the extent that some of those involved are presently assisting the police with their inquiries.
They are not equals. They can never be equals.
Maybes one day we will get an openly, transparently, constitutionally, elected FM once more. But until that happy day, no Scot gets to bleat about the dissing of our so-called leader.
It’s shit, I know. So why are we just accepting the New Pretender as a fait accompli?
The election was flawed. Declare it null and void. Run it again.
Or, prepare for a never ending sequence of embarrassments. We Scots may be prepared to ignore HY’s fraudulent credentials. But we can’t expect the rest of the world to connive in our self-delusion.
@John Main 9:21pm
We need Police Scotland to conclude their investigations. It’s got to be the longest running investigation into misdemeanours or a seriously corrupt Scot Gov. Either way Police Scotland have to shite on the pot or get aff.
Ian @4:44
A unitary State you say? For international purposes certainly. Domestically however…
Separate legal systems, education systems, legislatures, executives, religions, languages, paper currency (except Wales), traditions, histories, etc. etc.
The UK was a proto-EU, and just like the EU, you can leave… just ask the Irish.
I was thinking on the usual kind of political comments above
and remembered three years ago I visited my home town for the first time in about a decade. I went to a well known place for something to eat.
The staff were 3 lassies, all with local accents and other local characteristics. Listening to them as I ate took me back to childhood where the accent was unnoticeable because everyone spoke like that. But having been away for a while it was quite indescribable the warmth of feeling at not just being back home, but hearing it as well as seeing it.
I don’t know who those lassies were as we are at least a generation apart but there was a timelessness about sitting there listening to the same accent of the oldest relatives I can remember. I had a great aunt who worked in the same place in the 20’s who sounded like that.
When I was younger I scoffed at people who went abroad and felt the need to come home. Why would you need to come to a windswept, rainy wee place where probably nobody knows you anymore and half the folk you remember you probably didn’t much like anyway?
Because there’s more to it than the physical. There’s an attachment you can’t really break. Whether you admit it to yourself or not it’s in all of us.
I started wondering – what does the future offer these 3 girls? Who is speaking for them? Who, in the political arena, have their backs 100%. Whether they want to go on to be career financiers or to marry a man and personally raise 4 children?
Well, unfortunately, nobody.
The fact that they are women means nothing. They are looking at a dark future where they literally have zero private female space outside of their homes. This puts their needs and wishes last.
Them being Scottish means nothing. Because literally anyone from anywhere who shows up on our end of this island can be just as ‘Scottish’ as they are and with all the rights and privileges that come with it. Indeed it is very trendy in progressive circles to favour the outsiders, so these lassies come last. Again.
So what does it boil down to? Why are these girls in this position?
One word : tolerance.
We have a tolerance fetish. The line that should have been drawn and stood by is almost out of sight.
Our ‘leaders’ dance around the subjects, trying to placate everyone and thus serving no-one.
How does this translate politically?
A lacklustre appeal to the British establishment that we know are never going to listen, while as a second consideration we might dance around the continually worsening conditions brought on us by the ‘woke’ power that is letting the future of our young folk slip away while we make sure never to use direct honest language.
Scotland needs an independence movement and leaders that puts those 3 lassies first. Unapologetically, combatively and without caveat. Who wear the slurs of ‘bigot’ and ‘racist’ which inevitably come as badges of honour.
We need leaders whose response to the question ‘are you in favour of self ID’? should be ‘Ha! Don’t be ridiculous’
Otherwise the movement and the politicians that it spawns is an embarrassment that serves nobody and merely facilitates the disappearance of our home, heritage and people.
Those 3 lassies are having their futures tolerated away from them and everybody knows it.
Ordinary people will come around to those who can be seen to be defending them to the hilt but in order to do that we need to put tolerance in its proper place.
SNP has never seriously considered the prospect of independence. Not even in 2014, when it became a near thing, I believe the party, had not anticipated nor properly planned for victory.
Since then, there can be no doubt, ‘now is not the time’, is meekly accepted by SNP. The Supreme Court non-strategy, evidence of Sturgeon’s insincerity.
Whatever the timescale is, if there is one, for Scottish independence, I believe the unification of Ireland, has priority in the grand scheme of things and that factor, is already known by Sturgeon.
The decision to dupe the Scottish electorate, with IndyRef2, would not have been made by Sturgeon, she is most certainly a puppet of the state. She would not lie so outrageously, without instruction from most senior Establishment involvement.
So the only question to be answered… When will self-determination be properly considered by the ‘party of independence’?
So devolution has been a test for us colonised to show we are evolved enough to run a country.
What if we said in an independent Scotland there would only be Oxford educated English people running the country would that satisfy Westminster and ‘No’ voters do you think?
Or if we said an independent Scotland would be run exactly the way the UK is run?
OK I’m declaring it null and void.
Happy now?
John Main,
I agree that HY’s leadership race and placement as FM was, let’s say, perversely assisted but as a fan of Scottish independence, I’d be quite happy for him to remain as FM to hasten the end of the SNP.
It’s not Westminster’s fault that we are not independent or imminently so, it’s solely the fault of the SNP hierarchy.
We’ve had a series of open goals under Nicola Sturgeon’s leadership to achieve Scotland’s rightful place in the international community and they have all been squandered. Through incompetence or deliberately is another discussion to be had. I know what I think.
It will take time for the gingernuts and their like to realise they’ve been taken for lobotomised muppets, and slowly but surely the penny will drop and it will dawn on them that the continuity candidate will offer exactly that, just more of the same, ad nauseum.
“Please sir, can I have some more?”
We really shouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
Just read a tweet about Yousaf and his planned reforms to the justice system. Outrageous. Unworkable. Fascism creeping in.
A 12 person jury will create a split. If send appeals through the roof. And corruption. Trial by post code. Trial by corrupt judge.
They will stop at nothing to protect themselves. The alphabetties. The Sturgeon Cabal. Twisted heinous scoundrels.
How to you prevent these REAL anti-union MPs from transitioning into two-faced lying hypocrites when they get a tasty of the gravy?
How can you tell a REAL anti-union MP from a fake? Could be as tricky as recognising a fake trans-woman from a real trans-woman.
I reckon anyone who wants to be a Westminster MP is a fake.
Is there any point in voting in a general election?
Ruby at 10:32 pm.
“What if we said in an independent Scotland there would only be Oxford educated English people running the country would that satisfy Westminster and ‘No’ voters do you think?
Or if we said an independent Scotland would be run exactly the way the UK is run?”
It probably already fulfils that expectation. The task is to show there’s a better way. I’m not hearing it.
Harking back 300 years when Scotland needed a financial bale-out (an emerging pattern) and calling it ‘colonisation’ is futile.
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Anyone know where you can buy these penis shaped tables?
Surely hard for Humza to refuse to pay back donations when a precedent has already been set link to twitter.com
Ruby says:
26 April, 2023 at 11:36 pm
link to pbs.twimg.com
Anyone know where you can buy these penis shaped tables?
Are they teaching Humza what a Woman looks like ?
Is there anything better than the people of a country making all the decisions about what happens in their country? I think it’s called democracy.
Do you not like the idea of Scotland being an English colony? Would you prefer if we were called an English possession? Bought & sold for English gold.
Rishi Sunak,,,Prime Minister.
Humza Yousaf,,,First Minister.
Anas Sarwar,,,Scottish Labour.
Sadiq Khan,,,London Mayor.
What have these four leaders got in common?
They are all staunch supporters of this stinkin Union,,,and Asian.
The four of them don’t think Scotland is capable of becoming an independent nation.
They should maybe look back to how their own relatives had to fight English rule to become independent nations.
And looking at the above list, no one from outside the UK can accuse us of being governed by only “Whites”. (as we were once accused of being by a certain new First Minister of Scotland).
@Ruby Anyone know where you can buy these penis shaped tables?
Dickea allegedly;-)
Maybe the fact that they all ended up in the UK might suggest that their relatives didn’t support independence for their ‘own’ country.
Ruby 12.40am
I like your thinking, LOL.
“How to you prevent these REAL anti-union MPs from transitioning into two-faced lying hypocrites when they get a tasty of the gravy?”
By not giving them a chance to taste the gravy: if they are sent on a mandate to NOT take the seats, to NOT swear allegiance to the crown, to NOT travel to London. Their mandate is to immediately revoke the Treaty and end the union.
If they fail/refuse to deliver despite having a majority, then they are out at the next election.
No second chances for troughers
I think 8 years of having been taken for mugs is more than enough for the voters to realise that sending MPs to take their seats in Westminster and “get Scotland’s voice heard” is nothing other than a complete and utter waste of time and a way to preserve this union.
@ Joe 9.58pm I agree with every word you have written , and you only have to look at every politician currently in power and hoping to gain power to realise that it has not changed and it will not change unless people face the truth , (that indigenous Scots don’t count)
Our politicians current and future hold our citizenship, culture , ethnicity and nationality in contempt , so contemptible that they give it away freely and cheaply like a packet of crisps , anyone who comes here our politicians automatically adopt them and accord them with the grand title of NEW SCOTS, those new Scots are more respected and regarded than REAL indigenous Scots
It is okay for others to come here and celebrate and revere their own ethnicity and former nationality but when Scots attempt to preserve , protect and value their citizenship or ethnicity you are labelled as racist , nativist , bigot , moonhowler any name that will attempt to silence you or demean you and frighten others from speaking out
We should look at the various indigenous people’s from all the former colonies and realise they didn’t choose to be second class citizens in their own countries , I wonder where our politicians will place our reservations
Restless night and up again at ungodly hour,
So decided to respond to some comments. Here goes.
First you have to ask yourselves a question.
If the Scottish parliament was extinguished in 1707 as UK parliament state as a given historical fact on its parliament site in 2023.
Note: Not subsumed. But extinguished since the date the tender of the union was ratified, And before the British parliament came into existence.
The UK parliament site states it was by Scotland’s parliament agreeing to the treaty, Scotland extinguished it own parliament.
The next question is,
Did Scotland parliament extinguish itself from the treaty of the union?
According to Westminster, YES it did.
Following a process of logical thought,
Is Scotlands 1707 extinguished parliament a equal party in the treaty of union?
No, not since 1707.
Is Scotlands parliament a partner in the treaty of union?
No, because it was extinguished in 1707, by agreeing to the treaty of union.
Is Westminster parliament in a treaty of union with Scotlands parliament since 1707?
No, there has been no Scottish parliament since it was extinguished.
If the Parliament of Scotland does not exist since 1707, whom is in the treaty of union with Westminster parliament today?
A Scottish parliament? NO, it was extinguished in 1707 and ratified so by both parliaments to be extinguished by agreeing to the tender of the union.
A non existent Scottish parliament since 1707 cannot hold a treaty of union on its own behalf, with Westminster parliament nor can it maintain a position of of a equal legal partner in a treaty of parliamentary union, because it does not exist, it was extinguished from the treaty of union by agreeing to be extinguished legally.
So Scotland agreed to be extinguished as having a sitting parliament in Westminster parliament. as the Westminster UK parliament succulently phrases it. It was extinguished as it promised.
The next logical question is,
Which Countries are in a parliamentary union with Westminster parliament if not Scotland’s parliament that was supposed to create the Parliament of Great Britain?
The point missed by many that argue the case for the union, is that Westminster parliament claims there is no Scottish parliament in the treaty of parliamentary union since 1707.
This outcome is that Westminster parliament is sole entry party to the treaty of union since the ratification acts passed in 1707.
Intellectually, legally and logically Scotlands people cannot vote to send representatives of a non existent extinguished Scottish parliament to Westminster since 1707.
Officially missing from the Treaty of union, is Scotland and its parliament since 1707
There is no parliament union between the two countries,
And Scotland is not in the Union,
However the possibility left is, Scotland has been colonised due to a international treaty of one parliament of Westminster faking Scotlands 1707 parliament is in a treaty, while in reality it was extinguished in 1707.
Mia says:
27 April, 2023 at 1:44 am
…By not giving them a chance to taste the gravy: if they are sent on a mandate to NOT take the seats, to NOT swear allegiance to the crown, to NOT travel to London. Their mandate is to immediately revoke the Treaty and end the union.
Maybe you’re right in that, but there’s another perspective.
If Scotland’s MP’s are denied access to all gravy, but they’re contesting Unionist MP’s awash with support both above and below the table, and of course a partisan media monopoly to amplify their narrative and agenda, isn’t that the equivalent of sending your troops into battle without adequate arms or ammunition?
Don’t get me wrong, I have zero sympathy for these troughing charlatans, but the answer to weak willed people succumbing to temptation is not to keep the weak willed willed people and remove the temptation, but to replace the weak willed people with strong willed people who don’t get their heads turned by temptation.
Westminster will press whichever buttons produce results. If people can be tempted, Westminster will tempt them. If they can be bought, Westminster will buy them. If they can be made to feel inadequate, Westminster will belittle them.
That is why we must back ALBA. Not just for Alex Salmond, (though in my opinion, that’s reason enough), but because ALBA is stacked full of the stupporn, incorruptible, rebellious Independentists who would not roll over and abandon Scottish Independence simply because the “Leadership” told them to or their salary was put at risk.
The problem isn’t short money or the temptation of expenses. The problem, (with one or two exceptions), is the low caliber and integrity of the SNP people we have elected into office. They simply arent up to the job.
I’d say more, but I need to be on the road in 3 minutes….
Succinctly, weak people will let us down whichever route to Indy we pursue. And conversely, the best people we have will prevail by whichever route is the most expedient. We need THESE people in control, not the current dweebs in the SNP.
The most pressing problem is how it happens.
Bloody hell!
…I just found out Abba were Scottish!
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” isn’t that the equivalent of sending your troops into battle without adequate arms or ammunition?”
No from the perspective I am looking at it:
Swearing allegiance to the crown instead of to the people of Scotland is already signing to lose the battle because you would enter the fight after having accepted that the rules of battle are dictated by that what you are trying to fight. You already enter the battle from a losing position.
It is impossible to win a battle where you are playing by your enemy’s rules and, on top of that, you are outnumbered 10:1.
We will not win this battle by entering it. We will only win it by disarming the opponent and changing the rules.
And how do you disarm our 10 times larger opponent?
By removing the legitimacy of Westminster and n10 to continue calling themselves “UK” parliament and “UK” government. You can only achieve this by not sending down MPs and by refusing to play by our opponent’s rules.
The strenght of the pro-independence camp’s weapons lies in the message: to install the end of the union as the default position.
That would flip the game from the yes side having to constantly explain and justify why we need independence to forcing the no side to having to justify the continuation of the union, the continuous pillage of Scotland’s resources stopping any opportunity for Scotland to grow, and the progressive extintion of Scotland’s natives. THAT change in the default position is the real game changer, not sending MPs to Westminster to fight inside a cage gagged, with no weapons and with their hands tied at the back.
@ Ron Clark says:27 April, 2023 at 12:13 am
What have these four leaders got in common?
Dunno.
Three of them were fairly elected by unchallengeable processes.
One of them was fraudulently put in place to suit the scheming of alleged criminals.
Guess which wan poor, old, Scotland got?
Defo the case that our ane is no leader at all. He’s an imposter, the New Pretender.
Get him out. Let’s at least show Scotland the respect of having a fairly and transparently elected leader.
@Breastplate says:26 April, 2023 at 10:47 pm
It will take time
Time we don’t have.
Picture the M6 northbound in your mind. Now ask yourself:
How many full moving vans drove along there yesterday, across the border, and into Scotland?
The demographics don’t give us the luxury of time to sit about and wait while the Continuity Candidate continues with NS’s legacy.
Mia says: at 1:44 am
““How to you prevent these REAL anti-union MPs from transitioning into two-faced lying hypocrites when they get a tasty of the gravy?”
By not giving them a chance to taste the gravy: if they are sent on a mandate to NOT take the seats, to NOT swear allegiance to the crown, to NOT travel to London. Their mandate is to immediately revoke the Treaty and end the union.
If they fail/refuse to deliver despite having a majority, then they are out at the next election.
No second chances for troughers.”
There should be no need to wait the full term of the parliament session till the next election, as any genuine candidates could incorporate a recall contract in their manifesto so their electorate can oust them if they are deemed to have failed in their remit.
Tony Benn once said- ““What power have you got? Where did you get it from? In whose interests do you exercise it? To whom are you accountable? And how can we get rid of you”.
Too much to contemplate?
Again, I include Salmond in my criticism, which appears to be verboten by the editor of this forum.
It’s a simple premise, why has SNP made such a dog’s dinner of independence?
In my view, SNP has never seriously considered the prospect of independence. Not even in 2014, when it became a near thing, I believe the party, had not anticipated nor properly planned for victory. Many Indy supporters take the same view!
Since then, there can be no doubt, ‘now is not the time’, is meekly accepted by SNP. The Supreme Court non-strategy, evidence of Sturgeon’s insincerity.
Whatever the timescale is, if there is one, for Scottish independence, I believe the unification of Ireland, has been given priority in the grand scheme of things and that proposition, is already put to Sturgeon.
Whether that proposition is genuine or not, the chosen path is preventing self-determination from reaching the ballot.
The decision to dupe the Scottish electorate, with IndyRef2, would not have been made by Sturgeon, she is most certainly a puppet of the state. She would not lie so outrageously, without instruction from most senior Establishment involvement.
So the first question to be answered… When will self-determination be properly considered by the ‘party of independence’?
SNP has milked Devolution, for all it’s worth, the party in it’s element. The electorate also happy to play along, independence forever just out of reach. The debate, never ending.
Eventually, this game runs it’s course, the pieces put back in it’s box.
The fact that SNP is cited as the only agent for independence, should be urgently re-examined. Is that too much to contemplate?
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The coup that put Sunak in place was at least as dodgy as the one giving us Yuseless.
@Joe (9.58) –
Hear hear.
What happened last night outside Edinburgh University underscores the state we’re now in.
It’s sometimes tempting to try and explain it away by thinking ‘ach well, I’m just getting old and that’s why I don’t understand all this stuff’ but that’s a cop out.
It also lets these dangerous fanatics off the hook.
There is something profoundly wrong with our politics and public life generally. Just because none of us can pinpoint it precisely doesn’t mean it’s not real.
It is real.
And it’s – I’m taking time to pick the right word here – diabolical.
ZEITGEIST
«There is in fact a manly and legitimate passion for equality that spurs all men to wish to be strong and esteemed. This passion tends to elevate the lesser to the rank of the greater. But one also finds in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to want to bring the strong down to their level, and which reduces men to preferring EQUALITY IN SERVITUDE to inequality in freedom»
Alexis de Tocqueville
The parallel between the comments here and on English political sites is striking. There is the eternal belief that if only you had a different set of politicians leading you, everything would be different. However the reality is well coined by the French “Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose”. The more it changes, the more it stays the same. The SNP haven’t changed, they were never what you thought they were. They are limited by their own abilities but more so by existing agreements and that there is more than one group involved in your future, regardless of a referendum. Some Brexiteers thought and still think that the UK could set the terms of any future relationships. While we were not without bargaining chips, we weren’t the stronger party in the negotiation. We had to accept less than what we hoped for and we are still tied to things that we don’t want eg the EU courts. Ignoring them will have consequences.
So it is with Scotland and any independence bid. Even if you vote out, you are still subject to the reactions of other countries, and I don’t just mean the UK. The EU would have its own opinion about independence, especially if it is illegally enacted. Accepting your fait accompli would have negative effects on EU countries like Spain. They might accept it if the UK government agrees to a referendum and accepts the results but would it if you just pull away? Sturgeon spoke to EU representatives about joining as an independent country. Might the EU wonder if as a member Scotland might veto the UK rejoining? What exactly would you bring to the EU – good and bad.
No matter how good or determined you MSPs are, they know that the further they travel from legality the harder the consequences would be. Are you going to get a group that don’t worry about that and would you even want one?
@Joe 9.58: I’ve been thinking along the same bleak lines myself when looking at my grand-daughters. What will happen to our children when they have been put through the woke mincer at primary school, which is the next SNP Grate Thott and an outright assault on the child’s most basic identity, her/his sex?
Of course, one of the main problems with Scots and our “tolerance” is that, post-1707, we haven’t been taught our own history, languages of culture in a coherent and correct manner and the Curriculum for Excellence (!) was certainly never intended to do so (the reverse, probably). Colouring-in across our rights-respecting rainbow curriculum ain’t going to do it, that’s for sure.
When you don’t really know much about your country beside the cliché-ridden crapola you get at school or the MSM, it’s easy to think it’s inferior or just a strange adjunct to the bigger country down south.
Everything which makes us Scottish is gradually disappearing or is being undermined to the extent that I doubt the word will have much meaning in a generation, beyond a tartan sticker on an M&S British Shortbread tin.
I think one reason I still go to my diddy football team’s matches is to hear the Scots words and expressions from my childhood, now knowing how precariously they are poised. I’m sure folk in the farming community must feel the same.
When the middle/managerial class in a country doesn’t really share or truly understand its identity then that country is in big trouble.
ZEITGEIST
«There is in fact a manly and legitimate passion for equality that spurs all men to wish to be strong and esteemed. This passion tends to elevate the lesser to the rank of the greater. But one also finds in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to want to bring the strong down to their level, and which reduces men to preferring EQUALITY IN SERVITUDE to inequality in freedom»
Alexis de Toqueville
Scotland is to have a head of state nobody in country seems to want. YouGov poll.
When will the light bulb of real intelligence come on.
Systems have been overthrown for far less.
Any auditors out there tell us the chances of the SNP finding an audit firm willing to take them on right now and if they did find one what are the chances of them being able to sign off on the accounts while there is an on-going police investigation.
If the SNP were banking on the 1.2m then this could cause a real cash flow problem. Which in turn would raise doubts about the SNP being able to continue as a going concern.
Sending out cold call emails to audit firms sure sounds like they are really struggling to find anyone. I don’t see how anyone can sign off until the police investigations have reached their conclusions. The SNP might not survive that long without the money.
I certainly would not give them the steam off my pish at this point. So good luck with a fundraiser when you are under police investigation for misappropriating the last one. So I’d be very surprised if the SNP was not suffering from some level of financial distress right now.
If they are forced to go into administration it would happen suddenly. I think legally they are obliged to do it when it becomes apparent they will not be able to pay their bills.
Losing the 1.2m might tip them over the edge… That is a lot for them and especially so in their current situation with a minimum 50,000+ membership collapse which will only worsen as the crisis deepens.
F**k knows how that would work (the SNP going into administration) but for sure you have to think it would be catastrophic for the SNP. Personally I think it might be the best outcome possible but man it would create pandemonium in Scottish politics for a while. It would be a wild ride.
Right now the SNP has been hopelessly overrun, it is riddled with incompetent woke idiots selected for their grovelling loyalty to Sturgeon. So now is exactly the time to call in an electoral airstrike on our own position.
The risks the SNP are facing right now are very significant. They must be in real danger.
Ash Regan, why are you still in the SNP?
Joanna Cherry, why are you still in the SNP?
Douglas Chapman, why are you still in the SNP?
Ron Clark @ 12:13 am
“They should maybe look back to how their own relatives had to fight English rule to become independent nations.”
Perhaps their relatives preferred to be ‘British’ rather than stay to help build up their newly decolonized countries? Perhaps there are other factors too, including which side native groups were on during the period of decolonization?
Postcolonial theory tells us that colonialism is always ‘a co-operative venture’ with native elites, much as we also see in Scotland, historically and today. In other words, in order to function, colonialism has always required its ‘collaborators’ drawn from among the native community, and especially the elite. Quite often these groups have to flee the country after an imperial power is thrown out, much as we saw recently in Afghanistan and elsewhere. To some extent this phenomenon may explain the populations today within current/former imperial powers such as Britain, France, Belgium, USA etc.
Email to a friend:
Just watched a clip from outside Edinburgh university yesterday evening where an organised group of trans rights protestors (posing as an innocent and entertaining cabaret) stopped the planned showing of a film about women’s rights. They were backed up by university ‘security’ who also barricaded the corridor. A furious woman with a walking frame and a ticket to the film took them on but got nowhere. You despair. There is something profoundly wrong, as Ian Brotherhood said in his Wings comment. I started a response then hit the wrong button and lost it so gave up. What’s the point.
They are all very religious (Holy Joes)
Three Muslims & one Hindu.
I doubt there is a single person in Scotland who doesn’t know Humza Yousaf & Anas Sarwar are Muslims. They talk about it a LOT. They complain on a very regular basis about us ‘whites’ being Islamaphobic racists. The latest complaints was about the nursery in Broughty Ferry
There are probably not that many people in Scotland who know Rishi Sunak is a Hindu. The only reason I know is because I watched his interview with Piers Morgan. Rishi Sunak said his religion influenced his thinking and his approach to politics. That makes more sense than the garbage spouted by Kate Forbes & Humza Yousaf who claimed their religious beliefs had no influence whatsoever on their political thinking.
I find it strange that I know the religion of all these politicians. If you go back to their predecessors
Boris Johnson
Nicola Sturgeon
Richard Leonard
Ken Livingston
I haven’t a clue what religion they are. It never came up.
In my following post I will suggest that Humza Yousaf’s religious upbringing does influence his political thinking.
PS Is everyone from India & Pakistan religious? Are there any lapsed Muslims?
What better way to undermine the case for independence than by having the (main) independence party go bankrupt.
We are supposed to be demonstrating to the electorate that the SNP / Scots are capable of running an independent country… and the SNP will have just demonstrated the exact opposite in spectacular fashion. People think it is bad now but the fall-out if the SNP go tits-up here… oh lordy.
The Sturgeon legacy is shaping up to be political annihilation for the SNP. I for one am not at all surprised.
Between this and the Salmond stitch-up the damage this woman has done to the SNP and the wider independence movement is immense and so much still to play out.
Not forgetting this obligation as explained in Audit Scotland’s guidance notes.
2016 Letter of appointment 33. Paragraph 3.5 states:
“At the end of the auditor’s appointment, the auditor will take all reasonable steps to assist any successor external auditor appointed to the bodies mentioned in this letter. Such assistance shall include making available to the successor auditor any permanent information about the bodies and about the audit that the successor and outgoing auditor believe would enhance Audit Scotland’s partnership working ethos. This information might typically include, but may not be limited to:
• information about the bodies’ Financial sustainability, Financial management, Governance and transparency and Value for money
• audit reports, management letters and correspondence exchanged with the audited bodies
Whether SNP is compromised in their approach to independence, by choice or by outside influence, in the end, their choices stink either way.
Those compromised by those decisions can no longer be re-elected. Is the title SNP necessary or soon made obsolete by current circumstance?
New Agency, new faces. Basic reassessment, to rectify wasted years of neglect, is warranted.
Something has to give!
Reading this whole TRAs blocking film screening : Is this what free university education looks like in Scotland today . Scottish Universities are fast becoming a breeding ground, not for the most educated to flourish, but for the biggest bunch of deviants and unemployables. There needs to be a serious question asked about Free university education in this country , as it looks like the taxpayers money is being used to prop up deviant groups rather than educate our youth. Empty them out tip these fucks onto the street or pay £9k a year go get a job to fund their own education and stop using tax money to empower the perverts (Rant over)
Do you think Tucker Carlson is right in that what we have here is a battle between good & evil or maybe it’s a case of the ‘lunatics taking over the asylum’
Re. Den’s rant on free university education . . .
I had it, plus a grant. What I did politically, demos I went on while there were not the business of either the government or the taxpayer.it was just part of the Uni scene.
Trans politics at uni are just another trivial distraction. On their own they are no more significant than the marauding gangs of Socialist Workers found on most campuses.
The problem is not what is happening in our unis, it is the fact that the Scottish Government has allowed themselves to be infiltrated and manipulated by these headbangers.
The priblem is the SNP, not students. We need to remember that.
@Ruby (11.04) –
Both.
RUBY
Religion, and also the lack of it, will generally impact on outlook.
No one is «neutral», each carries considerable life baggage into the political field.
Johnson is Catholic by baptism. His wife is «cradle» Catholic. I doubt they are observant.
Yousaf is, for a practising Muslim, unusually liberal.
Biden is Catholic, though the orthodox faithful might think otherwise.
Lapsing from Islam or questioning tenets is ill advised. The consequences may be fatal as Islam is not just mosque attendance but a complete worldview. There is no secular sphere.
Post in moderation.
Here’s a modified one
link to twitter.com
What is all this about Zelensky planning to bomb Moscow and start WW3?
link to archive.is
At U.S. behest, Uk_raine held off anniversary attacks on Russia
Maybe John Main could help us out with this one.
Re. Den’s rant on free university education . . .
I had it, plus a grant. What I did politically, demos I went on while there were not the business of either the government or the taxpayer.it was just part of the Uni scene.
Trans politics at uni are just another trivial distraction. On their own they are no more significant than the marauding gangs of Socialist Workers found on most campuses.
The problem is not what is happening in our unis, it is the fact that the Scottish Government has allowed themselves to be infiltrated and manipulated by these headbangers.
The problem is the SNP, not students. We need to remember that.
This is a speed test!
SCOTSRENEWABLES
What you call «headbangers» are normative in what passes for education, Social Engineers dominate.
Fortunately my life experience has thickened my skin against their activities.
English is wonderful language for retailing idiocy.
Ruby,
I wonder if we’ll look back at the days of Margaret Thatcher and Malcolm Rifkind as being the “Good old days” in Scotland?
No devolution, No First Minister.
Because right now, in 2023, no matter where you look, Scotland is in a really bad place.
I half jest, but it shows what damage the human wrecking ball Nicola Sturgeon has caused.
@SR The problem is two fold ,agree government policy enables these nut jobs , but you need to be inclined to support these demos etc. As soon as I see Stirling uni student in front of anything I know there is a shit show coming .
I find myself visualising Official Red Guards barring entrance to Edinburgh University Library while inside to chants of “I am not an academic debate!” a seething student mob is ransacking all shelves and heaving endless cascades of prestigious literature from windows into huge burning skips.
RUBY 11:29
An old man in a hurry and a guy plainly out of his depth make a bad combination.
Not so long ago that guy out of his depth and country he nominally presides over would not have been treated seriously except as «rogue».
Check the timeline on google, if not yet edited out.
The West is a collective of hypocrites.
What people possibly do not realise is that across in Ireland the same thing is happening with Sinn Fein providing muscle alongside ANTIFA at demonstrations against the new Plantation policy. Sinn Fein has turned on its constituents the same as the SNP has.
Ireland also has a prominent Green politician who is a gay man and who is its Minister For Children and is extremely passionate about children being supported if they choose a trans lifestyle. He says that any opposition to this is fascism, sound familiar? He also sent out a message online in multiple languages telling the world to head for Ireland where, he said, they will have their own front door within four months. Sound familiar? He is also passionately in favour of the EU, sound familiar? His predecessor in that role was a childless gay woman who wasn’t even from Ireland and on losing her position, including a non advertised post created just for her, went back to the US to lobby fulltime for Joe Biden then moved to New York, she is also a trans advocate, who’d have thought. The man who recommended her for the position of Minister For Children in Ireland is passionately pro EU and lobbies in the US on behalf of all illegal immigrants because an estimated 0.4% of them could be Irish.
Re the current Minister Of Children, he recently said that communities do not have a veto on who is moved into them, this was with regard to undocumented/unvetted young men of foreign extraction. Planning and Change Of Use laws in Ireland have just been changed to make it easier to turn an office block into accommodation for forty two year old unaccompanied children.
Wales is facing the same problems and England is already going down the pan. Perhaps we will need to set aside our differences for awhile and have a common goal of basic survival as a people.
Elephant in the room.
Where is the extinguished “Scottish parliament” in the treaty of union of two parliaments.
CAN YOU FIND IT?
Then we are a Colony of Westminster parliament. And that is why Westminster decides if Scotland has the right to its own independence or self determination.
Only a Coloniser has presumed the right to hold another captive.
link to twitter.com
Ruby @11:04
Different scale from organising a dozen camper vans for the indref lottery but some intriguing fallout from the Carlson affair was the revelation that Fox (his employer) and Dominion (the vote counting organisation whose defamation allegation may have gotten more credibility than it was worth from his dismissal) appear to be majority owned by the same entities and operating not unlike the nuclear industry, ie the owner sued itself whilst giving one of its revenue generating cost centres a nice tax right off by (allegedly) settling for $787.5 Million ahead of court (FFS!)
Accordingly, from the options available, I’d conclude that lunatics must indeed have been running the asylum until now but that this could easily degenerate into good v evil (or vice versa) if Dominion or similar remains trusted to decide next year’s (potential) Biden v Carlson event.
You are right Anton Decadent, Sinn Feinn has been parasitized too
oops, write off not right off.. nasty odour either way
Sooner or later a intellectual person will question what I have been saying, and that questioning will bring them face to face with the facts of the treaty that has made Scotland a captive of Westminster through a faux treaty that has no Scottish parliament in it,
I am patient,
I can wait for the time when that one person is is intelligent enough to ask the question for them selfs.
Why is there No Scottish parliament in the treaty of union of two parliaments,
If Scotland has a ceased extinguished parliament since 1707 why is Scotland believing it and its Country are contracted to a treaty with Westminster.
The penny will eventually drop with someone a little bit more curious an intelligent.
You know your on the right track of questioning when unionist tell you to shut up , an stop harping on about something from so long ago that it does not matter now… that lets much needed daylight to shine on the treaty regarding Scotlands captivity.
Yet we know that Westminster waves the very same flag of “treaty of union” to hold Scotlands people.
It is notable that the treaty of union is not to be talked of, and yet it still is flown over Scotland to hold Scotland back.
Used when needed, and dismissed as unimportant in the same breath.
I patiently wait for a intelligent curious Scot to wake up and ask, if Scotlands parliament is not in the treaty of union because it ceased to exist by being extinguished, why is Scotland in a treaty of union between parliaments?
Biden is a senile old cunt, he is being used by the trans lobby to pass evil laws. I am a lesbian and I would never consider a transwoman a romantic or sexual partner because transwomen are MEN.
@James Che
I can’t answer your questions about Parliaments, only because I don’t quite follow the questions (my problem, not yours) I do have some word salad for you though.
The bit on the UK Parliament website re: what was extinguished and what wasn’t, is just opinion, it comes from advice to the Lords Select Committee on the Constitution.
The learned ‘constitutional lawyers’ who came up with that aren’t sure themselves (the name Tomkins may ring a fusty bell)
It used to be a case of: “We are certain Scotland’s Parliament was extinguished – put that in – but we’re not entirely sure about England’s Parliament.
We consider that the UK Parliament is a continuation of England’s Parliament, but there is still a bit of an argument about it – leave that out”
However (among other places) the Select Committee on the Constitution 10th Report of Session 2015–16 The Union and Devolution Chapter 1 (15) states:
“The Union with Scotland abolished the English and Scottish Parliaments and created a new British Parliament…”
(it goes on to acknowledge other theories, but there you go, they reckoned both were abolished)
[tinyurl.com/2bkeua9k] Pdf
What I can say about Treaties and Articles of Union, is that neither are ‘Dead’ they are still extant (and man are there some learned arguments about that!) and they are still extant, because the corpus of UK legislation (the constitution) still references them.
It would be silly if they no longer existed as ‘live documents’ to still reference them, and cause them to have effect on subordinate legislation.
You have a prime example with Chairlies Accession – the Treaties and Articles of Union being ‘Dead’, means there would be no need for a Scottish Oath – but it remains in UK statute law and derives from said Articles, and Treaties- it had to be taken.
Yeah, it’s a bit selective – other bits have been trampled on, and torn up, but hey, the UK constitution is a very silly place.
I mean the India Act 1935 was still part of UK statute law until it’s very recent repeal – very silly, India buggered off decades ago (coincidentally it was repealed just around the time the Scotland Act came into existence…a new plaything)
Anyway, regarding the current Parliaments…well, to be honest, silly jumps from the back seat and grabs the steering wheel.
For example, the Scotland Act 1998 references a Scottish Parliament, but elsewhere it is referenced as an Administration, why? I think about that.
There is, in that statute a ‘Crown in Right of the UK Parliament’, there is also the ‘Crown in Right of the Scottish… Administration. aww, so close.
Both ‘Crowns’ are seperate entities, both have their own Royal Prerogative powers, and interestingly, that is not a reserved matter.
So, the Scotland Act(s) set great store in, and mention frequently, a Scottish Parliament. Statute law says there is one, and for clarity says it exists and is a permanent part of the UK constitution (until decided otherwise naturally)
Does it have sovereignty after the fashion of the UK Parliament? Interesting question indeed.
Firstly, the UK Parliament declares absolute sovereignty, this we know – unless you get into ‘Factortame’ and zzzzz…
That authority derives from the ‘Crown’ (the Crown in Right etc)
If, there is a ‘Crown in Right of a Scottish Parliament (sorry, administration) does that imbue, give authority to, or otherwise confer sovereignty on, that same Scottish Parliament?
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I still wonder if the shift to mentioning a Scottish Administration, was just a casual error by a scribe, or a very deliberate inclusion; an attempt to divert any notion that the Scottish Parliament is a sovereign Pariament in its own right, in Right of the Crown (ours)
What are words worth, (or if you are into old metal albums: What’s Words Worth) Parliament, Administration, Executive – what’s the difference in law?
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@Susan, I had this conversation with a lesbian friend who was torn as the trans reminded her of coming out. My position was that the emotional strings were being used to distract from her status as a biological adult female being threatened.
Look up the Denton Files, these were created by the Denton law firm, Reuters and a branch of the EU and recommended attaching the trans lobby to other issues such as abortion rights, womens rights, gay rights and the campaign for Scottish independence to force it through before people realised what was happening. Denton bought a Scottish law firm about six years ago.
UK PARLIAMENT SITE 2023.
The Scottish parliament extinguished itself by agreeing to the treaty of the union.
This was later ratified by both parliaments in Scotland and England.
That a extinguished Scottish parliament “Cannot hold” a treaty of parliamentary union with England as it was agreed prior to the new British parliament being formed and coming into existence without a union of Scotlands parliament.
I see the HMS Prince of Wales aircraft carrier built at huge expense to the taxpayer just a few years ago, is now being stripped for parts, maybe the MoD has taken a leaf out of the SNP governments book on how to waste huge quantities of taxpayers cash on sea vessels.
Ian Mhor, the UK Supreme Court ruling on whether Scotland could hold an Independence Referendum said that Both Nations of Scotland and England ceased to be and that the UK came into being.
So i presume the English Parliament was also extinguished , well according to Westminster but if that is not what the Scots agreed its not legal i would think.
Australians are dying at an alarming rate and the Australian Federal Government refuses to look into it.
link to news.com.au
Now that they got rid of corroboration and are planning to get rid of juries, because of course a woman would not tell a lie about being raped please welcome Nicola and woman H.
This is a policy designed to fail and make the SG Look ridiculous when the first case heads to the supreme court.
This is simply beyond madness such that it will make the gender thing look like a roaring success.
Watch how the BBC soft soaps it
Iain mhor.
Thank you for your extensive reply. Much appreciated. It is indeed a word game by Westminster parliament.
However upon study from Hansard we find records of the “Queen ” forwarding the members of the old Westminster parliament 1707 without election into the new British parliament, which as we all know was still held in the Westminster building and parliament of england, the session was not ended under her reign but simply continued.
Without doubt Westminster parliament convert and did continue into the new british parliament.
However in the same context we find the agreed treaty of union tender, later ratified, extinguished the parliament in Scotland,
And that members of the Scottish parliament entering The new British parliament were to be selected by vote, which was haphazard for months afterwards as some did not show up. Other were sidelined by Westminster parliament under various convened excuses.
Thus a parliament that was extinguished by the terms of the treaty of union were putting forward names that were extinguished as members of the Scottish parliament.
It was indeed a farce.
But the crux of the treaty is wether the Scottish parliament ceased itself and was extinguished from the treaty of union.
Thus we find in Scotland the Scottish parliament has ceased to be since 1707 as it closed its doors under Sine Die.
Between the UK parliaments Claim that the Scottish parliament was extinguished by agreeing to the treaty in 1707,And the Scottish parliament being Sine Die’d in 1707, there is no existing sitting Scottish parliament in Westminster since 1707.
For once Both England and Scotland agree that there is No Scottish parliament sitting in Westminster as was supposed under the treaty, since 1707.
This still raises the question, whom is Westminster parliament holding a treaty with, as the two parliaments did not join to take their place in the new British parliament.
In one Country (England) the Scottish parliament was extinguished by the terms of the treaty,
In the other Country ( Scotland) the Scottish parliament has been closed and ceased since it closed its doors under “Sine Die.”
In either of these positions you will not find the Scottish parliament in existence sitting in Westminster Parliament according to what Westminster claims is a treaty of parliamentary union.
These members could never represent the extinguished parliament of Scotland.
«The sensitivity of men to small matters, and their indifference to great ones, indicates a strange inversion»
Blaise Pascal
It is an inversion notable among those whose first language is English, the trees hiding the forest.
Iain mhor,
If I may add to the above,
Since the parliament of Scotland closed its doors, under Sine Die in 1707 it is impossible for Scotland to send representatives to Westminster from The Scottish parliament, even if we vote in a election, for the connection is severed under “Sine Die”
There has been NO Scottish parliament in the treaty of parliament union since 1707 from England and Scotlands historical legal point of view.
The removing of the Not Proven verdict which is a safeguard against wrongful conviction of the accused, isn’t about just removing the verdict, its about data showing that jurors tended to lean towards a guilty verdict when the Not Proven verdict is removed from the equation, and that’s what this is all about getting the conviction rates up, and that why the media and the Scottish government (SNP) are demonising the NOT Proven verdict which has been used in Scotland for centuries.
This why I think the Not Proven verdict should remain in Scots law.
“The not proven verdict should be used when the Crown’s case is not quite strong enough to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt but the jury think the accused is “probably guilty”. It was also suggested that the not proven verdict better reflects jurors’ uncertainty.”
If the Not Proven verdict is removed it will lead to a miscarriage of justice in Scotland, as the Scottish government (SNP) put conviction figures ahead of justice.
It is well into three hundred years since the Scottish parliament closed its doors, and sat as Scottish parliament members in Westminster.
It is also three hundred years past since Westminster parliament claims that the Scottish parliament was extinguished from the treaty of union between the two parliaments,
A Scottish parliament that voluntary closed its doors in 1707 cannot forward any members to Westminster, from that said Scottish parliament unless they choose to reopen the 1707 parliament voluntary in Scotland.
Otherwise it holds no legal position within the parliamentary union with Westminster parliament.
At least England and Scotland agree, there has been no Scottish parliament since 1707.
…And as for the SNP and Scottish Colonial Politics?
Fuck it.
Shauny boy is now the heartbreaking truth.
I’m sorry, but it just makes me feel better getting this rancour out there. Thanks.
Republicofscotland says: 27 April, 2023 at 4:11 pm
“If the Not Proven verdict is removed it will lead to a miscarriage of justice in Scotland, as the Scottish government (SNP) put conviction figures ahead of justice.”
Politicians and public servants (as well as corporate drones) are generally wedded to ‘rote management’ concepts.So of course the pauchling of largely-vacuous statistics takes priority over any meaningful or legitimate purpose…
I cannot think of an example in public service where the mentality is otherwise. – Dial 101 to talk to the police to report an incidence for example, and you’ll get an operator who will give you 101 reasons not to involve the Police. – Persist and you may well be targetted for police harassment or ‘tagged’ as a vexatious caller. The wider agenda is to brew the notion that it’s not worth the 15p it takes to call the police – because it effs-up their stats!
Drill-in further and you’ll find this ‘justified’ when training operators as ‘discernment’ and ‘reducing spurious calls’. – It’s been going on for decades. – And they actually think this is sound, legitimate, management practice! – Actually; it’s taught as such!
It’s a disease that infests almost every aspect of public service – self-serving, self aggrandising, and non-performing. – Not just and SNP problem, though they do produce some of the most blatant (lacking in self-awareness) examples.
” the UK Supreme Court ruling on whether Scotland could hold an Independence Referendum said that Both Nations of Scotland and England ceased to be and that the UK came into being.”
That obviously isn’t the case when King Charles III, and his mother before him had to swear to uphold the Claim of Right, which proclaims that Scots are sovereign in Scotland, whilst in England its the monarchy that is sovereign.
Devolution is a trap, it leaves Scotland in the neither here nor there position as Holyrood is a distinctly Westminster construct, with minimal powers.
Scotland is one of two countries in a union via an international treaty, and international treaties can be dissolved by either party at any stage, its an illusion that Westminster hold sway over Scotland, it can only keep Scotland in this union by deception and by the labour of its House Jocks who block our route to dissolving this union, the current idea by Westminster and its loyal House Jocks is to not allow Scots an opportunity to express their will at the ballot box with dissolving the union in mind.
Sturgeon’s SNP successfully closed down the indyref route via her lord advocate, though UK laws is not the abiding law when one party decides it wants to dissolve a union based on a international treaty. In other words the UKSC’s verdict on a indyref has no bearing in a legal sense in Scotland as its a UK construct outwith Scottish sovereignty.
Iain mhor.
The oath taken of course is under Uk legislation.
But does UK legislation pass the test in Scotland and Scots law if there is No Scottish parliament in existence in the treaty of union since 1707?
One has to ask if the Scotland Act/s are valid legally if there is No Scottish parliament sitting in Westminster parliament since 1707?
Any legislation or Statues passed solely by the Westminster parliament of England towards legal matters that involve Scotland can be set against the question is a Sine Die’d Scottish parliament from 1707 still involved with the treaty of union if extinguished, not subsumed. Or has closed it doors.
The overriding question is , is the 1707;Scottish parliament still in existence or was it extinguished from the treaty of parliamentary union with Englands parliament of Westminster, and that is a big question,
For it appears that even Westminster is in confusion on the topic.
@RepublicofScotland at 4.11 pm
‘If the Not Proven verdict is removed it will lead to a miscarriage of justice in Scotland, as the Scottish government (SNP) put conviction figures ahead of justice.’
England does not have the ‘not proven’ option for juries and does not have any higher conviction figures than Scotland.
Not sure what the effects of not having a ‘not proven’ option in judge only cases might be.
For all legal intents and purposes it appears that the treaty of union has been sailing on a wing and a prayer from Westminster for more than 300 years.
It only holds together as a treaty because Westminster prays that it does,
However there has been no Scottish parliament in the treaty since 1707
Lenny Hartley @3.15pm said:
“The UK Supreme Court ruling on whether Scotland could hold an Independence Referendum said that Both Nations of Scotland and England ceased to be and that the UK came into being”.
Almost. It was worse than that.
I believe it was Dorothy Bain, the SNP Scot Govt’s own lawyer, at the request of Nicola Sturgeon, who pled the case that Scotland no longer exists, only GB / UK. But, the SP did not rule on that comment by Ms Bain.
Republivofscotland.
If you check amendments to the treaty of union you will find that the Devolved Government to Scotland is a Corporate body,
Not a Scottish parliament.
A legal question arises, if the Scottish parliament voluntary closed its own doors in 1707 “Sine Die” and the Westminster parliament states that the Scottish parliament was extinguished in 1707.
What legal right does Westminster parliament have to pass the Scotland Act and the devolved government branch, if the Scottish parliament has not been in the treaty of union since 1707.
I suspect that all of these arcane arguments about whether the Scottish parliament exists in its own right or could be resurrected without reference to the parliament of the union would get very short legal shrift from the Supreme Court of the union. As far as I am aware, there is absolutely nobody in the mainstream making the cases outlined above, and there would be no hope whatsoever for any unilateral declaration of independence or Scottish sovereignty based on some ancient doctrine.
I worry about the mental health of any individual who has basically posted the same post about 20 times today.
Some people need to get a life.
No Scotland No England = No Precious Union
Why are politicians fighting to save the precious Union when according to the Supreme Court it doesn’t exist.
Sounds like something taken straight of the UK’s legal advice prepared by Crawford & Boyle in March 2014.
The following is from an article written by Derek Bateman at that time called ‘An Auld Sang Gang Wrang’
Reject the legal advice. Say it was a mistake. Say the government is not convinced it’s correct and it was insulting to say Scotland ceased to exist. Why? Because to say so is to deny the very thing they’re fighting for – the Union. I talk about what I call principled Unionism which works only if you accept your country is in voluntary partnership with England. Remove that concept and we become, as the lawyers indicate, little more than an adjunct to England. Not even a Unionist who claims to love Scotland can vote for that.
A Scot Abroad Would that be the same ancient doctrine that King charles 3 recently pledged fealty too?
Asking for a friend.
James Che says:What legal right does Westminster parliament have to pass the Scotland Act? No right as such but the Barons hold to this view.
That 800 years after the document was first sealed the Magna Carta still requires any reigning UK monarch – (QE2, Charles or any of them) to ‘ask permission to enter the City of London.
1. Ask who?
2. Who is sovereign that the UK monarch must ask permission and kneel before gaining entry?
3. And 800 years ago what were the boundaries of that City of London?
Answers,
1. The Baron signatories (or their descendants) of the Magna Carta.
2. The Barons
3. The territory known today as ‘The City of Westminster’
Where is the City of Westminster?
Opaquely disguised inside The BOROUGH of Westminster.
What special privileges does that ‘City’ hold?
Many Baron wealth retaining and tax exemption privileges but also, for the Barons, absolute Power over the whole UK and its institutions.
Hence the supposed actual monarch must kneel before them – and the descendant institutions and descendant representatives of the Barons
Think I’m kidding?
Well, take for example the first paragraph of the UK Cabinet Manual.
It says
Parliamentary democracy: 1.
The UK is a Parliamentary democracy which has a constitutional *sovereign as Head of State; a sovereign Parliament, which is supreme to all other government institutions, consisting of the *Sovereign, the House of Commons and the House of Lords; an Executive drawn from and accountable to Parliament; and an independent judiciary.
A constitutional *sovereign as Head of State (not a monarch as sovereign and head of state).
And since the time of the Magna Carta until today, that constitutional sovereign is Head of a City State, and that City still requires QE2 or any other reigning UK monarch – to ‘ask permission to enter. Ask permission from the Constitutional Head of State.
Because the constitutional *sovereign, as Head of State is also supreme over parliament too.
One man, as prime minister, just like Boris had the power to decide to and act to prorogue parliament and sht it down.
It is why the UK still has today:
Press Barons
Media Barons
Oil Barons etc,
And back in the day
Sugar Barons
Shipping Barons
Rail Barons
Because every abuse of the citizens needs a Baron…
Privatised Health Care Barons
So to answer your question, not a leagal right – just some fake privilage that is not even effective under the Laws of Scotland
link to assets.publishing.service.gov.uk
Pissed myself laughing watching useless answering questions in the chamber today. Someone has clearly told him to do the ‘thumb’ thing when speaking in order to ‘drive home his message’. At some points he is doing the ‘thumb thing’ with his two hands at the same time. So transparent and very funny.
For us, including the main currents of Scottish unionist thought and sentiment in the past, Britain was a partnership between Scotland and England. For the mainstream in England, though, it was (and is) assumed to be England in another form. It is assumed that, indeed, the English parliament continued (and with it the peculiarly English doctrine of the sovereignty of parliament). And, of course, we need look no further than the monarch’s numeral to see how deeply embedded this idea is: she is the first Queen Elizabeth of the United Kingdom of Britain, but persists in being Elizabeth II.’ He ends: ‘I fear that this mode of thinking about Britain among the English mainstream is so deeply embedded that they take it completely for granted. (It is, presumably, why England is in the remarkable position of being the only democratic nation with a football team but no parliament of their own–a statement they would not recognise because they regard Westminster as ‘their’ parliament, despite the third article of the Treaty of Union.)
From an ‘An Auld Sang Gang Wrang’ by Derek Bateman.
It seems that when anything legal comes up regarding Scotland the answer is ‘Scotland ceased to exist in 1707.
In between times the ‘Unionists’ are doing all they can to save the non existent precious Union.
@James Che
Ye canny keep beating the same drum, nobody can answer yor question except by stating the obvious.
There was a Scottish Paiamemt, then there wasn’t, now there is a Scottish Parliament again, it’s not that difficult.
Better than us have sucked on their pipes, and come up with theories, and opinions never put to the proof (not likely to be proven either)
As for the rest and what is and what isn’t lawful, and who can do what to whom, and when – the law courts (ues even the Supreme Court) have said quite often, that there are certain matters which are not judicial, but political. Anything anent the Treaties, the Articles, the Union, and the Crown are political matters.
When push comes to shove, the Courts will be at home eating popcorn with the rest of us..
My main point is that absolutely nobody in the mainstream is trying to make the case for some ancient Scottish right to sovereignty (itself, extremely legally thin, if it even exists at all in the modern world) as a means to independence. It might make for a fun evening of theoretical debate in a university society, but in the real world, it just isn’t going to happen. It’s absolutely pie in the sky.
I have spent a lot of time working as an engineer, and in the engineering world, we don’t think about theory, we think about what works in practice. It might restrict my dreams and visions of unicorns and general world happiness and peace, but it does also mean that I look for practical solutions to whatever problem presents itself. I suspect that the route to independence, should that be the will of the Scots, lies through “what works” rather than through “nice theory”. And what will work is by pro-independence people actually coming up with a solid, financially stable and resilient plan and persuading 50% + of Scots that it can be achieved. Not by asserting an ancient claim of right and unilaterally declaring it. All that’s going to do is chase out every single piece of investment in Scotland.
Scot abroad.
On the historical evidence that of Scotlands parliament has been extinguished since 1707 as UK parliament states.
And in Scotland the Scottish parliament closed its doors under Sine Die in 1707.
What jurisdiction of legality would the supreme Court hold over Scotland as a decision maker in Scotland?
The Supreme Court only hold a legal position over Scotland IF, a big IF the Scottish parliament still exists and is not extinguished in 1707.
Otherwise the Scottish parliament is not in the treaty of union of parliaments with Westminster since 1707. Because it no longer exists.
What Union are you talking about?
Time for more Carrots….A day of action for the SNP.
link to robinmcalpine.org
Day 30 of Yousaf as New Pretender.
Two thirds of Truss’s 44 day record already gone, and not a peep from anybody prepared to tell Yousaf tae GTF and don’t come back until a transparent and properly organised re-election has been held.
Tell you one thing though, his tenure as fraudulent FM answers all of the posts above about WM, HR, 1707, the monarchy, Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah.
The person or people in charge are those who when they say “jump”, we all chorus “how high?”.
Dilbert used to talk about “conformance rationalisation mechanisms” and that’s what we now see. Rather than rejecting every utterance from the New Pretender, we are already getting down to adapting to the new Scotland he will be enforcing on us.
Starting with abolition of those aspects of Scots Law that made it uniquely Scottish.
We don’t like it, but we are, when all is said and done, Scots. We just don’t like to make a fuss.
Only a matter of time before the first post praising Yousaf’s masterful growth in the FM role appears, and dissing any critic as a ‘Y’ or ‘R’.
Excellent comments from, Ruby, Ayemachrihannish and Lenny Hartley.
It is time for us to look at Scotlands issues in a new light to see how we are perceived by Westminster,
A Westminster that has its own doubts about the position of Scotland and Englands union, but brazens it out on a wing and a prayer hoping that Scotland won’t notice the descrepancies in the treaty of union.
That the supreme Court is just official bluster if Scotland has not been in the treaty of union since it closed its doors officially under Sine Die,
And the treaty terms which were ratified extinguished and excluded the Scottish parliament from the actual treaty of union in 1707.
@ ayemachrihanish on 27 April, 2023 at 6:15 pm
Best comment i’ve read on here in a very long time. Thanks for that.
I’ll give you another example that’s blindingly obvious but very few actually take real note of its seriousness. Westminster’s nuclear weapons. It was just ONE man, the then UK Prime Minister, who decided they were being located in Scotland. And it was his American counterpart (President) who bent his arm (apparently) to have them sited where they are today.
And if we are to believe English historical accounts, the UK Prime Minister originally wanted them located further north, away from Scotland’s most populated region. But yes, just one man decided over the vast majority of Scotland’s population that Westminster’s weapons of mass-destruction would be located in Scotland.
James Che @5.33pm.
Very good point and true, if Scotland was now part of a UK that it couldn’t cede from there would be no need for the Scotland act, and we’d never have had the 2014 indyref or the moving of the maritime borders in 1999 to steal over 6,000 sq miles of Scottish waters, the emphasis being on borders.
As you rightly state Holyrood is an arm of Westminster, an arm reluctantly created due to UN pressure, devolution is a trap, it leaves Scots thinking that they control many their own affairs, a kind of half-way house if you like.
Salvo and Co are in the process of approaching the UN to try and clarify our position in this so called union, its unlikely that they’ll discover that Scotland is a colony, no monarch would need to swear an oath to uphold the sovereignty of citizens of a colony as King Charles III had to do with Scots in mind.
In my mind its utterly clear that Westminster holds no sway over Scotland, only that which we allow it to, via its House Jocks, the House Jocks at Holyrood are the glue that kind the union bound together.
@ Che,
The Supreme Court isn’t a decision maker in Scotland. It is the supreme arbiter of the law in the Union, which could be anywhere in these isles.
There is no union of parliaments between Scotland and England due to the Scottish parliament closing it doors 1707 and the Westminster parliament not recognising the Scottish parliament since 1707.
A defunct parliament of Scotland that is “not a parliament” any longer cannot hold a treaty of parliamentary union with Westminster since 1707.
Ruby is correct, no parliament no union.
“Why are politicians fighting to save the precious Union when according to the Supreme Court it doesn’t exist.”
They are the House Jocks as they’ve come to be known, and without their obedience to Westminster the union would fall apart for its being held together via their actions.
Imagine if the SNP put as much effort into dissolving the union as it has done on pushing its GRRB, but they won’t for the status quo suits them, oh they can finger point to Westminster and moan about this and that, but independence isn’t on the cards for them, they talk a lot about it and come election time they shout even louder about it, its effectively a whipping stick to whip the masses into voting for them and once they are elected the whipping stick goes back into the box until the next election.
Scotland is one of two countries in a union via a international treaty and international treaties can be dissolved, we don’t need the permission of a foreign country to dissolve the union, we just need the consent of our own folk to leave it, this where the House Jocks at Holyrood are invaluable to Westminster, they are blocking our route to dissolving the union, only Alex Salmond gave us the option to stay or leave and Scots voted to leave, but incomers swung it for the no camp.
Ruby at 12:13 am:
“Is there anything better than the people of a country making all the decisions about what happens in their country? I think it’s called democracy.”
You voted for and got the Scottish politicians you wanted. They’ve turned out to be incompetent, fraudulent and corrupt yet you’d still give them even greater powers? A new definition of madness.
Scot abroad,
What union?
Certainly not a parliamentary union, which would have some legal authority if that was true,
But the Scottish parliament has not been in Westminster since it closed its doors under “Sine Die” in 1707.
And the Westminster UK parliament does not recognise the Scottish parliament still exists as a parliament in its own right.
So no union.
@ James Che,
It’s the union of the crowns of Scotland and England, not the union of parliaments. Scotland has a parliament of its own due to the Scotland Act, but England doesn’t because there’s never been an England Act. I knew Tam Dalyell a bit 30 years ago, and of course these matters were his specialist subject. But they don’t derail the union
I’m not sure where you are trying to get to with your arguments. I have to say, nobody at all seems to think that there’s a route to national independence for Scotland by trying to come up with some form of loophole in the 1707 act of union. It would be more productive to make a case as to how Scotland can become a sustainable and resilient nation in the world as it is, under the laws and institutions of the current union as they are.
Repubicofscotland.
We are not in a union, I know it is difficult to grasp, I passed by the implications of the Uk parliaments statement myself a good number of times before the penny dropped for me, and I then started researching Hansard and the treaty of union terms.
To have a union of two parliaments, two parliaments have to continue existing.
The Westminster parliament did continue until present day,
However the Scottish parliament closed its doors for the past 300years and has been absent from the treaty of union.
Even if it had not closed its doors voluntary in1707, the Westminster parliament down south says it was extinguished from the treaty by the agreement and terms of the treaty itself,
The only surviving parliament to the treaty of the union ( on its own by the way) is the Westminster parliament.
Scotland nor its parliament have been in THE “treaty”since 1707.
There is no union of parliaments since that date.
Edinburgh University. If only generation Z had Independence to inspire their ‘progressivness’ they might actually change the world.
They don’t love their country. They want men in women’s spaces. Pronouns and the cancellation of societal views that doesn’t subscribe to theirs. Because they are so full of themselves and are yet to meet the real World.
So far this year I’ve seen the stunning and brave university students smash the Wallace Sword box. Disrupt Ayr Grand National. And stop women from speaking about their rights.
Even Humza Yousaf told Edinburgh Uni to allow freedom of speech. And he hates white people too. Because he’s soo progressive.
This is what Sturgeon has done. She implanted it from the United States for her handlers.
James Che:
“There is no union of parliaments since that date.”
Scotland is represented at Westminster.
Anyway, it was 300 years ago and as you admit, voluntary. You’re barking up the wrong tree.
What about yourself did you or didn’t you take part in that vote?
At least we loved our country under Alex Salmond. The indoctrinatation camps since 2017 onwards have let brain rot set in.
The signs at the counter protest to Adult Human Female read.
“stop killing black trans people.” Held up by a white teenager. And that wasn’t the worst.
While the security guards protected the masks men.
They are neither marginalised, vulnerable nor stigamitised. I don’t feel sorry for them. I cringe with embarrassment as they will too when they realise this has all been a scam.
When the Republicans win the US presidential election. And they will they will shut down gender ideology. I’ll give it 5 years max.
@ A Scot Abroad says:27 April, 2023 at 6:39 pm
And what will work is by pro-independence people actually coming up with a solid, financially stable and resilient plan and persuading 50% + of Scots that it can be achieved
Hallelujah!
Hurry back from wherever abroad you are. Scotland needs all the sanity and reality it can get.
I spent some time on here boiling it down to Show us the money, receiving mostly pelters for my lack of ideological purity. How’s the ideological purity doing these days then? Producing spectacular results? Anybody?
Anyways, it’s much more “show us the sanity” and “show us the legality” these days.
What with sanity and legality becoming endangered characteristics in what we seem to have all settled on calling “Yousaf’s Scotland”.
I can write that, I can even speak it. I can’t hear it though, over the deafening rumble of tens of thousands of Scots patriots, turning in their sorry graves.
And I can’t fucking believe it.
I didn’t say that James.
I said if as the Supreme Court claims there is no Scotland and no England then there is no Union.
A further extract from An Auld Sang Gang Wrang
But my real beef with this stuff is the idea that our country doesn’t exist. What kind of message is that to give in a political campaign? ‘You’re so small and insignificant that you’re not real and don’t exist and the country you’re so proud of was absorbed into greater England and everything you’ve got today is courtesy of Westminster which can turn off the tap when it feels like it.’
If people have been brought up to believe their country entered a voluntary union from which they have the right to extricate themselves, why on earth would you go to the trouble of constructing a highly dubious case to contradict them? What is gained?
I think the answer to that question is simple.
Scot abroad.
No offence meant to you is this comment, but it is advisable that you need to do some research and homework rather than taking anyones word for anything,
I would advise anyone to go check any comments I have made today,
You will find that the Scottish parliament did indeed close its doors in 1707 under “Sine Die,” voluntary in Scotland.
You will also be able to check the UK parliament site 2024 where it states,
The Scottish parliament extinguished itself, when it agreed to the treaty of union terms of agreement.
But we have to remember and take note that the Scottish parliament has been absent from the treaty of the union and sitting in Westminster parliament in all aspects since 1707.
The Scottish parliament has not been a participant in the treaty of union for over 300 years..
What Westminster has done, is to presume it (owns) the treaty of union by itself, and it does, it is the only participant in the treaty of union for the past three hundred years,
What it cannot do with that treaty is include Scotland the Country or its people, because it has acknowledged and accepted for 300 years or more that the Scottish parliament was extinguished from the treaty of the union by the tender of the union agreement which was ratified in both Countries parliaments before Scotlands parliament closed its doors under Sine Die.
Scotland has not been in the treaty of union with Westminster by Westminsters choice of action or inaction as may be, and by Scotland choice of action.
To presume a union happened sometime afterwards or beforehand is nonsense.
The union of the Crowns you speak of was when Scotlands kings inherited the Crown of England along the Stuart line, however this did not persist and was a bone of contention with the parliament of England beheading one king and attempting the lie, that the other king had abdicated the thrown in Britain, of which Scotland was well aware he had not abdicated. Mainly due to religious beliefs.
So a union was attempted between the two countries.
However Westminster missed, for 300 years later we find that the Scottish parliament is not a entry to the treaty of union, sitting in Westminster parliament, and we find a corporate body branch office of Westminster parliament in Scotland under the disguised name of devolved Scottish parliament.
Where Scotland goes with this new discovery is up to the Scottish people.
So we legally find No “Scottish parliament” sitting in Westminster parliament of Great Britain as a legal parliament union,
He’s fooled you. He’s English and lives in the Norfolk Broads. His name is Scot.
James Jones,
By whom is Scotland represented in Westminster? Not by members of a Scottish parliament, as it ceased to exist in the treaty of union once it was extinguished from the treaty of union according to UK parliament 2023.
Is Westminster parliament taking on the role of of pretending to be a Scottish parliament that was extinguished by the treaty agreement.
Who is this we you are referring to? Is it all these voices in your head?
link to thenational.scot
Holyrood vandalised by the Green activists. They are a complete nuisance. What has become of the Universities?
If only they had Independence to help them feel progressive.
They should be fined big time for that. Made to scrub it off with their bare hands until they bleed.
Natal XY & proud @ 17:13
Not sure whether England allows judge only trials (or why) but one irony arising from your observation is that although the act of endeavouring to anglify Scots law MUST be a fundamental breach of union in and of itself, the fact that its being done by SNP/ Scots caliphate implies that those being relied upon to declare independence on the back of it will have exposed themselves as preferring English (or worse) laws to rule over Scots – thus rendering their part in the project to be not a little moot, and dangerously close to being repugnant in consequence (FFS!)
@ David Hannah says:27 April, 2023 at 7:59 pm
There’s a very good article on Unherd today, deconstructing the trans psychosis.
It explains the two primary grassroots drivers:
1) Young girls who seize on the fantasy of being trans, and hence can pretend to be boys, because they are scared of the difficulties they anticipate having to face as an adult woman.
2) Aggressive males who pretend to be trans so that they can act out their fantasies of oppressing, marginalising and abusing women.
Other drivers of the mass delusion are big pharma, who are making great progress with the idea that “normality” is so rare that just about everybody needs to be on permanent medication. Profit is what motivates them.
And then there are the extreme Greens, who hope to get humanity to a point where everybody is so medically fucked up that nobody can reproduce any more. Thus saving the planet.
It’s an unholy alliance, spreading under the relentless US cultural imperialism we all absorb from cradle to grave.
The good news for humanity though is that the trans psychosis is very much a first-world phenomenon, as it is only wealth, leisure and a sense of entitlement that allows it to take hold. Having to go out and work hard just to put food on the table leaves little time or energy for fretting over pronouns.
Fascinating to think that a HR dedicated and working hard for competent, transparent government, real improvements to the SNHS, real economic social justice, better, cheaper, more reliable transport links, etc. etc. would also have little time or energy for fretting over pronouns.
By their use of pronouns shall ye discern the useless eaters.
@ David Hannah says:27 April, 2023 at 8:37 pm
You really care about that carbuncle festering in Scotland’s capital?
Close the place, put its incumbents, and their armies of leeches and toadies, on the dole.
Use the eye-watering sums it costs yearly to repair some of Scotland’s disintegrating infrastructure and services.
Chris Cairns had it right a few weeks back. Billions of pounds pissed up against the wall, and in return, some of us got baby boxes.
And I never even got one of those!
@ Ruby says:27 April, 2023 at 8:33 pm
That’s very clever.
Indented text and bold text in the one post.
Nice one!
Ruby,
My apologies to you for misunderstanding your comment,
But perhaps you may have misunderstood mine also.
Scotland does not have to extract itself from a treaty it has not been in for the past 300 years,
The Scottish parliament closed its doors in 1707,
There is no union to extract ourselves from.
Our union was supposed to be a parliamentary union, which in turn was to create a new British parliament,
However the Scottish parliament has not been sitting in Westminster parliament of Great Britain even with representatives of the Scottish parliament because soon after this the Scottish parliament closed its doors.
And the parliament of England at that time had a pre tender agreement with Scotlands parliament to the treaty of the union, extinguished the Scottish parliament from being a participant in the treaty.
When all is said and read We find no Scottish parliament in a treaty of union with the Westminster parliament since 1707.
There is no need to extract ourselves from union that never continued, that Scotland was ostricised from before it began.
And that Scotland itself did not continue, as it closed its doors.
Scotlands 1707 parliament is A closed parliament, a extinguished parliament, the ghost of Scottish parliament that no longer exists, cannot legally represent holding a “treaty of union” nor can it be held to account for a breached treaty as it has has ceased to exist in the eyes of the UK parliament.
What is has Scotlands ceased extinguished parliament to extract themselves from,
A treaty it has not been in for 300 years?
The people of Scotland have yet to realise that there was no union of parliaments in 1707.
And Westminster committees also has there doubts,
Westminster also cannot pretend to be representatives of a Extinguished Scottish parliament any longer, as they have been doing.
There is no Scottish parliament sitting or sending representatives to Westminster from a extinguished ceased Sine Die’d parliament of Scotland from 1707 onwards to present day,
What i am trying to say and perhaps not very well at this point,
There has not been a Scottish parliament member sitting in Westminster to represent Scotlands parliament since the parliament ceased and was extinguished from the treaty of union in 1707.
It is a impossibility,
We do not need to extract ourselves from the treaty of union, it was done for us a long time ago, we were just ignorant of the historical facts surrounding the treaty, wether done deliberately or by Westminster themselves being confused it does not matter,
The remaining historical fact is We have not had a parliament union with Westminster parliament since 1707. And no representative could act on our behalf as those links were severed when Scotland closed its parliament at the same time as Westminster claimed the Scottish parliament was extinguished by the the treaty of union terms of agreement.
Some right pricks on here these days
It is a carbuncle John. I listened to First Minister’s questions there.
This Lady Dorian wants to dismantle the legal system as it is.
She’s not content with jailing journalists for telling the truth.
She’s working for the Sturgeon cabal. Thd self preservation society. They want to tear up the legal system to protect themselves.
I know it was a conspiracy. The whole of Scotland who’s it was. And she knows it too.
@stuart mctavish who said:
“Not sure whether England allows judge only trials (or why)”
The UK through Lord Diplock has instituted no-jury courts in Northern Ireland since the 1970s, on the grounds that jurors risked intimidation.
This post explores the pros and cons of these so-called Diplock Courts and right to a jury trial. If you read it you can see how non-jury courts could fit in or not with Scottish law principles
link to eurofree3.wordpress.com
@John Main 8:04pm
When we as a collective lost sight of the best person for the job, then billions were going to go out of the window. I hope to stay alive long enough to have a proper appraisal of Sturgeons tenure. The repair job is ten years if we started now IMHO.
Not content with jailing journalists. Lady Dorian wants to tear up the legal system to protect the Sturgeon cabal.
It could not be more obvious if they tried. Half of Scotland knows it was conspiracy. Wings and it’s hundreds of thousands of readers know it was conspiracy. The thousands of members of the Alba Party know it was a conspiracy.
I’ll rephrase that last post that must have triggered a sweary word filter
There are some incredibly annoying people deliberately taking you all off on mad tangents on here these days
The ‘main’ man
The I would have gone ‘abroad’ but I was scared of learning another language man
Tbh we’re not talking our way out of this excrement ridden situation any time soon, and the majority of the young team I’m in contact with have a great desire for independence but absolutely no clue whatsoever how much they’re being played in the great woke’n’roll swindle (I’m claiming that now btw)
If we don’t up the ante big time Scotland is going to be another 20 years+ deep in this English occupation/bleed us dry project before we know it.
I’m as bad as anyone. I have ideas about what needs done to create the required ‘edge’ but I’m not willing to put myself out there
Maybe there’ll come a time
BTW
I don’t think the constitutional gymnastics do us any favours either
That treaty means this, that archaic law could be construed as meaning we’re not legally in a Union anyway
It’s a nonsense and a waste of energy
Don’t waste energy!
If you want change
Make Scotland an uncomfortable part of the Union in which to be comfortably numb!
And no head Tory boy I won’t be wasting my breath or fingertips replying to you-do one!
I am working on a script for a play at the Edinburgh festival. It is total fantasy if course but it has some nice little twists to it.
A very successful policy
Very successful Party leader resigns and is replaced by his female deputy.
The party continues to be successful and the former leader pushes to move on independence.
The new leader is having a gay affair but has a fight with her lover and the police are called.
The new leader resents her predicessor still getting involved in policy and a member of her office suggest framing him for a sexual assault in the past. Initially she resists the plan but the security services say if she does not act they will reveal the gay affair.
She decide to have him disciplined but he wins his case.
They try again in court, and he wins again but his reputation is trashed.
She then leaks details to the press who on the instructions of the security services run a campaign to blacken his name. The papers and TV do a lot of dirty tricks on him.
He starts a new party as he realises she has been compromised and he wants to save the campaign for independence.
The pressure on her continues to build as rumours spread. The police involved in her case know what has happened. The judge in the legal case against her predicessor jail people talking about it.
People in her office (who are also working for the security services) propose a series of policies that are deeply unpopular with the churches and other major groups in the country and the polling figures start to crumble.
Eventually she resigns but conspires with her team in the party to appoint a successor to keep control.
Polls show that the members of the party wont vote for the chosen successor so they interfere with the voting results to produce the win they want. They expel all other candidates in the election once he wins.
The new leader continues with the unpopular policies as the new party begins to take hold.
The film ends with an office in Whitehall. A navy uniform with a lot of gold is seen in the phone saying” that’s fine just keep me informed of any other developments”. He hangs up the phone.
All extra twists you can think of would be welcome
Just watched a true story movie about the King of Botswana and the corruption and manipulative control of the English Empire and their murderous exploitation of the colonies.
So many things done by corruption and sub diffuse in Westminster.
How do they stop the peoples choice, stop democracy and keep that nations wealth.
Well worth a look at A United Kingdom its call but the Kingdom is in Africa.
Gives you hope they can be beaten by the smaller guy with the right cause.
@ John Main
No one is saying – or , as far as I know, has ever said Economics don’t matter ; but when it comes to a question of a People’s National Liberation ( why are some Scots so squeamish about that word/idea ? ) it’s not JUST ” the Economy , stupid ” . What nation ever achieved it’s LIBERATION by telling people they’ll be tenner better-off by it’s realisation ? Nane .
Sure , make the case for economic competence , thereby convincing people their lives will improve materially – at least , their lives will be free of financial stress/distress : though that ideal will never be possible under the current Neoliberal Capitalist worldview we all ( most of us ) * labour * under .
Forget it .
Something radically , philosophically different will have to replace that monstrosity before any REAL Social Justice can arise .
And any Independence Party/Movement that claims otherwise is deceiving the people whose liberation they purport to be seeking
Selling people the same damaged goods that are the root of increasing social & ecological dysfunction just about everywhere is almost guaranteed to end in tears .
Economics alone won’t be the decisive factor in determining our future as an Independent -or- not Nation . Be sure of that compadres
Spirit requires Soul requires Spirit ……
When is she going to be arrested?
@ Ruby
John Main says:
27 April, 2023 at 8:04 pm
@ A Scot Abroad says:27 April, 2023 at 6:39 pm
Hurry back from wherever abroad you are. Scotland needs all the sanity and reality it can get.
He’s fooled you. He’s English and lives in the Norfolk Broads. His name is Scot
Well, well. As I told you before, I’m 75% Scots by grandparent ancestry. More than that, I believe, but I don’t have full records for my great grandparents. I was born abroad, to my parents in the service of the union crown, and I served the crown in a Scots regiment for six years. I live in the Norfolk Broads, because of the woman I love.
Are you to tell me that despite my ancestry, that I’m not a Scot?
I notice that it’s customary among some commenting on WoS to adopt a written form of dialect. Perhaps I should therefore respond with “Wheesht, awa’ wiman and go bile yer heid”. But I won’t (do so again), because I believe that the world is more complex than you appear to give credence to.
@Ben madigan
Great article – the rate at which conviction bias changed once juries were removed was fascinating, and a timely reminder of the role of the jury (and the not proven verdict) in keeping the Continuing Professional Development of the judge (and prosecutor) in check, irrespective of the category of suspect being targeted.
At abroad/not abroad/notafknscoobie
I’ll jump in and answer for Ruby in true sexist colonial style if I may, see I’ve also got BritNat military family heritage to deal with
Short answer is you’ve no valid perspective to offer.
Perhaps if you’d made your way to real abroad
Interacted like a normal person with other cultures and language’s your argument might hold weight, but you didn’t, and it doesn’t
So take your indoctrinated spine melting mentality and slither off back to the country you love
It’s called England if you’re not already aware
James Che says:
“To have a union of two parliaments, two parliaments have to continue existing.”
That’s a very good point, James. You may be on to something there. I never thought of it that way until you spelled it out. If we think of a marriage as a union between two people then there can no longer be a union if one of them ceases to exist. So what we have is essentially England in union with itself (England as the UK) without the consent of Scotland – you cannot give your consent to something that you are not part of. And there cannot be representatives at Westminster of a parliament that does not exist.
The logical conclusion is that we are free to reconstitute the Scottish Parliament as was (ignoring the fraudulent English devolutionist parliament at Holyrood), independent of, and not in union with, England. The Union is an illusion!
@ Tartanpigsy
My perspective is equally valid as anyone else’s. I’m 75% Scot. So I have valid views on being Scottish.
You don’t know which country I love.
@stuart mctavish
Glad you found it useful.
There are also worrying parallels between the use of anonymous witnesses/informants in the Diplock Courts and the Scottish proposal for permanent anonymity for people like the Alphabetties
I’ll put the link here again if anyone else is interested in reading it
link to eurofree3.wordpress.com
Interesting thread regarding the “ so called “ union of parliaments?? . However , if indeed the “United “ Kingdom Parliament based in Westminster has “ devolved” certain powers to a “supposed” Scottish Parliament then where is the exact equivalent “ devolved “ PR English Parliament ? If the treaty of union is between two KINGDOMS where is the devolved Kingdom of England Parliament & the England Act establishing it ?
@ A Scot Anglified
No it’s not
The End
@North Chiel
No it’s not
The End
Wake the f**k up people
For Even if Scotland had 10 x 5 million population, the SNP leaders would at today’s rates, stolen only 6 million bits of paper and promisory notes of the Bank of England !!!!
Far, Far less than the many, many UK parties MPs or Lords and lassies have stolen since, well ever, even more so since 2020 and throughout Covid
If it takes 600k to show Westminster dept ran and set devolved department called the Scottish Government. Made up to keep Labour Unionists in Scotland happy and accustomed to wealth and power, to be corrupt , so be it !!!! Cheap at a 10th of the price!!!
Independence can only be delivered by the light of the Scottish People by the Scottish People for the Scottish People.
The Devolution agreement would only ever last as long as folk believed in it. That myth is now busted . Independence is the natural outcome. The Indy tribes are still out here, smashed into roughly 1.6million bits of light, reforming for a smash, grab and Salvo for the claim of right
Thats my dream and Im sticking to it
Don’t know if anyone else has mentioned this but just in case they haven’t, Westminster must have reached the required figures on the “Update the Equality Act” petition to make sure the characteristic “sex” means biological sex. The UK Parliament is to officially debate the issue.
@ Tartanpigsy says:27 April, 2023 at 11:32 pm
You’re nae the first to try to rule on who and what is valid here, and nae doot you’ll no be the last.
But this is Rev Stu’s blog, his rules, and his final decision on who is allowed to post and who is barred.
Soz.
@ Robert Hughes says:27 April, 2023 at 10:33 pm
Maybes where we differ is in our interpretation of just how much intangible notions of nationhood and culture matter to the average Scot.
My view is that to the majority, they don’t matter that much. I mean, FFS, just look around your local High Street. Is your everyday Scottish reality indicative of a people who care much about anything?
So reel them in with the only thing they do care about – cold, hard cash.
There’s no reason why the majority of baseball cap wearing, burger eating, Hollywood culture consuming Scots can’t have a bit more cash, alongside the ideological purists who just want us to be a “nation once more”.
After all, post-Indy, we are going to be a rich nation, right? So tell the uncaring, disinterested, apolitical Scots just how rich. Convince them of that and then stand clear to avoid being trampled in the stampede to the ballot box.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking that the tiny minority of enthusiasts who regularly post on here are representative of the majority of Scots.
@ Tartanpigsy says:27 April, 2023 at 11:32 pm
Interacted like a normal person with other cultures and language’s
Hoo boy, hard to know where to start with that one written about somebody living in England!
The number of languages spoken in England right now exceeds 300, cos that’s the number of languages spoken in schools. I think it fair to say that the number of spoken languages is a good approximation for the number of cultures.
Tak yersel aff tae London for a lang weekend TPS. Keep yer trap shut, act lik a normal chiel, and ye micht learn something aboot languages and cultures yersel.
Propaganda abounds in Scotland!
Radio Clyde news headlines include a statement by Scottish Tories accuse SNP of not focusing on the important matters affecting the people of Scotland.
Where on earth can that be accepted as anything other than propaganda.
13 years of Tory recession, cuts to public services, strikes, high inflation including food up 20% and a declaration by Englands court that Scotland is a colony and only they control fiscal levers.
Who decided to call this a news worthy story, where is the balance, who responded for SNP.
I hope Charlie gets Piles from our stone of destiny!
” There’s no reason why the majority of baseball cap wearing, burger eating, Hollywood culture consuming Scots can’t have a bit more cash, alongside the ideological purists who just want us to be a “nation once more”. ”
What’s ” ideological purist ” about wanting to be an Independent nation , John ?
I take most of yr points nonetheless .
A lot of that Americanised demographic you refer to also support the Scottish national football/rugby team – ditto all Scottish sportsmen/women , buy the albums of and turn-up in their 1000s to the gigs of Scottish bands n artists , enjoy the work of Scottish comedians , actors etc : don’t tell me there’s not something * particular * about seeing ” one of yr own ” do well in their chosen spheres .
I think yr setting-up a false opposition between appealing to material ( self ) interest v an unapologetic defence of what it means to be Scottish .
The two can compliment each other .
Fuse the warrior spirit of Rab The Bruce n the poetic soul of of Rab The Burns n we’ll be unstoppable
A Scot Abroad at 11.05
“I notice that it’s customary among some commenting on WoS to adopt a written form of dialect.”
Please note they are writing in Scots, a language not a dialect, though Scots has dialects too. When Scots write in language you don’t consider Scots, it’s Scots English. As Scots was frowned upon in school.
There is a revival, a taking back of part of our culture currently evidenced by the numbers writing in Scots, that I welcome. From a Scot living abroad.
You probably don’t read my comments but that’s OK because I stopped reading yours a long time ago.
RE: majority of Scots
The majority of Scots have been trained from birth to act as consumers.
At one point there were Lords and vassals or masters and slaves. The social structure kept in place by strength and violence.
What we have now is more of a psychological dictatorship that uses the science of manipulating emotion and base desire, coupled with a constant stream of misinformation, to turn people from citizens to consumers.
The capitalists at the top, the consumers serving them.
This was made obvious to me when I was taking my education in finance and markets. One big Deutsche Bank trader was talking about the big long queue of people outside the Apple stores, some who had been there 48 hours, to get the next Iphone. He was calling them mindless sheep. To which I replied that it’s their commitment to buying shit they don’t need that keeps ‘our’ markets going.
That’s when it hit me how society was really structured. At one point advertisements were pitched to the consumer. After generations the consumer has been moulded to be receptive to the advertiser.
That’s what the average person has gone through, with no other ideological rock permitted for them to cling to. It’s no wonder that we are in the mess we are in.
However this comfortable numbness is coming to an end. The current financial system is run by extremely callous and arrogant individuals (more so than ever before) and the economies which they bleed dry are failing the consumers who require them.
As an outspoken nationalist I would say that we need to give people an ideological rock to cling to in the storm, it must be based on natural law and offer a sense of purpose, give back genuine pride and sense of belonging and foster a strong community spirit.
The only thing that makes sense within our abilities as imperfect humans is to get back to national identity, based along universal principles that we advocate for all peoples (i.e no supremacy nonsense) and in this way rebuild strong nations that are able to resist international marxism (look at the universities) and globalist capitalism (look at the corporate power), both of which originate from the same source.
If that last remark sounds uncomfortably ‘like something from recent history’ to you then I would say that you need to un-brainwash yourself somewhat before you can be any good to your countrymen.
With national community comes an independent people-centred economy. Something we have never actually had in a modern context.
People just need to be shown the possibilities as the fake, satanic shit around us grooms our children into sex changes and opens them up to paedophiles, puts them into permanent debt without hope of living a fulfilling life, an education system that is eye wateringly subversive, a contrived ‘multi-cultural’ poison soup of competing interests that puts them last.
The list could go on.
The bad news is that things are bad and getting much worse
The good news is that this makes change possible, for the right committed people.
By necessity its the type of people active on blogs like this that need to be thought leaders in this endeavour who can plant the flag and make the stand. Looking back at our ancestors and forward to our descendants who we will never meet it could be said to be our ultimate duty.
It is truly Orwellian that we have Lady Dorrian advising us on how to improve ‘justice’. She is literally the last person I would ask.
This latest crap from the SNPG about reducing juries and going to judge only trials for sex cases to meet conviction quotas, getting rid of not proven etc… they can just fuck off.
These arseholes can’t run a bath and they are now getting into things that are a grave threat to our civil liberties.
They are such an authoritarian nasty little party that when caught in a stitch-up, twice, they simply want to change the law so next time they will get away with it.
This SNPG is vile. I want these cunts out of office now. I really can’t stand them anymore.
Everything here, revolves around Salmond, past and the future.
A decent plan. If it manifests in a clear out of SNP, that’s a good start.
Given Salmond’s age and his unfinished business, motivation to get things done quickly, makes this a genuine plan.
One last go at the establishment, on his own terms, could get this over the line.
In the meantime, let’s hope the rise and fall of SNP, is soon eclipsed, by a brighter future.
The Scottish electorate is crying out for leadership.
That’s up to you to decide but you should be aware that it’s meaningless. According to the UK Government ‘Scotland was extinguished in 1707 and became Lesser England.’
In view of the fact that you live in Norfolk Broads (which as yet is not abroad) then I can say you are not a Scot. Of course you may have a holiday home which would make you a Scot for a temporary period ie during an Independence referendum.
The real question is are you a Scot or a Brit?
My guess is you are 100% Brit.
It is crucial in struggles for national freedom to know which end of the weapon to point at the enemy, before you load it.
Interesting post Joe. What sort of % do you reckon haven’t been brainwashed?
A very long time ago I thought up a plot for a sci-fi novel.
People were controlled through their horoscope. Everyone read their horoscope on a daily basis and followed whatever it said. The only exception were the people born on the 29th February they weren’t included in the horoscopes. They were the only ones who weren’t being brainwashed and they couldn’t believe what’s was happening around them.
This story was going to have a happy ending in that those born on the 29th February even if they were a tiny minority were going to win in the end and convince the rest of their folly.
Not sure how they did it but it could be that they took control of the horoscopes.
Matt Quinn @4.54pm.
Apologies Matt I missed your comment, but yes I tend to agree with it, I have friends (a surprise to some in here I’d wager) and they have called 101 and expected a police officer to appear but no on showed up, is that just an isolated incident, or is it systemic, I think talking and listening and reading other folks accounts on such matters that its the latter.
Tartanpigsy says:27 April, 2023 at 11:32 pm
At abroad/not abroad/notafknscoobie
I’ll jump in and answer for Ruby in true sexist colonial style if I may, see I’ve also got BritNat military family heritage to deal with
Short answer is you’ve no valid perspective to offer.
Perhaps if you’d made your way to real abroad
Interacted like a normal person with other cultures and language’s your argument might hold weight, but you didn’t, and it doesn’t
So take your indoctrinated spine melting mentality and slither off back to the country you love
It’s called England if you’re not already aware
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I hate to point out to you that the good Reverend owner of this Blog also has lived in Bath, England for many years. Family and/or Work commitments often take people away from Scotland to live elsewhere , this situation doesn’t mean they are not allowed Views on Scottish Independence and make you tbh just a bit of a W*nker Nativist and little else. Why don’t you have a go at telling the owner of this Blog His views aren’t valid and see where that gets you.
James Che @7.37pm.
Thanks for that James, in hindsight I agree with you, could you post a link to the Hansard info, much obliged, so we can all read it and save it for further reference.
Tartanpigsy says at 27 April, 2023 at 9:34 pm
Some right pricks on here these days
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Not sense of self awareness at all then ?
You keep posting the same thing over an over an over again and over again but you never tell us why you support independence.
Are you not interested in cold, hard cash?
The uncaring, disinterested, apolitical Scots might like to know.
Why do you John Main support Scottish Independence?
Email received this morning:
Parliament will debate “Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex”
Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex”.
link to petition.parliament.uk
The debate is scheduled for 12 June 2023.
🙂
FOR INFORMATION
link to archive.ph
Neither fish nor fowl nor good red herring.
Illusion and Disney?
@Ruby
I think anybody who lives a modern life and is invested in the modern world is subject to it.
You can tell when someone has started to ‘get it’ because you’ll find they don’t have a TV.
People talk about parallels with 1984 but the truth is the process started as soon as mass media was available and the work of people like Edward Bernays was being put into practice.
I’ve actually started to collect books from the 19th century and before in order to help preserve some knowledge from those who find actual history to be inconvenient. A few people have started to do this in the same way that gardening boffins collect heritage seeds to preserve the species.
Those moneyed rats quitting the sinking ship?
link to archive.ph
Nothing left but criminals and transvestites?
The Gulf has quite enough rats of its own thank you.
Don’t blame the providers of the Media/Internet. You have no shackles. You are not a prisoner.
In the morning put on you shoes, not your slippers!
Plato’s Cave
link to en.wikipedia.org
@Ottomanboi says:28 April, 2023 at 10:03 am
I know somebody who used to work out there.
As he says, steal something and they chop off your hand.
You don’t see many one-handed people though, so go figure.
Myself, I will be opposed to Sharia in Scotland til my dying breath, but I also can’t help feeling that plenty of Scots would vote for it if we were ever to be given a choice in the matter.
No usury and swift, deterrent justice for thievery, murder, littering and narcotics. What’s not to like?
Tone down on the misogyny and it could well become a contender for serious consideration in the years to come.
We’ve tried love-bombing the crims, and look how that worked out.
So the English PM Sunak is in Glasgow today addressing his branch office MSPs, the absurdity of it all, is that a foreign country’s PM can instruct a non Scottish Tory party which sits in our parliament at Holyrood, and which has another country’s best interests at heart, on how to keep the interests of the PM’s country at the forefront whilst attacking at every level Scotland’s ability to manage its own affairs.
The foreign PM Sunak and his branch office House Jocks can only do this because the people of Scotland are too apathetic to do anything about it, no other nation would put up with this, not the French nor the Spanish etc, so why do Scots allow it.
Joe @ 8.41
There n consistently , hitting the bullseye dead centre . Excellent observations
Clock is ticking – 28 days from an arrest on 5 April is Wednesday …
If we are going to hammer anyone who considers themselves British as well as Scottish then don’t expect to win many converts. Just think how many friends, family and neighbours watch English based soaps, reality shows and thrillers, have music collections stuffed with public schooled southern bands, happily plan a trip south for gigs, shows, exhibitions, or meet up with friends and family. And all the rest.
How does this racial purity test pass for those who consider themselves Highlanders or Islanders as much or as more as Scots?
The modern world makes 200 mile perimetered blood and soil nationalists look ridiculous.
link to archive.is
Rishi Sunak rules out anti-SNP voting pact in blow to Douglas Ross
That has been unequivocally knocked back by Sunak, while Ross will also shift away from the idea today in his speech to the Scottish Conservative conference in Glasgow.
Joe says @ 8.41am
‘At one point there were Lords and vassals or masters and slaves. The social structure kept in place by strength and violence’
link to wingsoverscotland.com
‘…Since time out of mind
Like Jekyll and Hyde
History has been one great divide
Whereby power and greed
Has forever conquered need
From medieval Normans
And landed gentry
To corporate giants and billionaires
And those with plenty
Like moguls and bankers
All high and mighty
And spurned are those
Left in their wake
While we watch the suffering
Of this inhumane heartache
Of hungry kids
And food bank users
And working-class losers
And souls on the street
Who can never hope to deplete
The absurd riches of the elite
And while the unworthy share the air
Of this glorious abundant land
They will continue to live in despair
As they bow before phoneys and hypocrites who declare
That we are all brothers in this land of heather
And we are all in this together’
@ Republicofscotland says:28 April, 2023 at 10:49 am
the English PM Sunak
That may be technically true, but there is no polis investigation into the process by which he became PM.
Unlike closer to home, where the fraudulent process that landed us with the New Pretender has seen many of the key figures having their collars felt.
Is that whataboutery? Fucked if I know. I do know though that for many, the old saying about glass houses and stones is particularly apt in Scotland.
Here’s a wee idea. Run it up the flagpole and see who salutes. Bin Yousaf and hold a new, open, transparent election for FM, free of unconstitutional skullduggery. We can then all get behind whoever this open, democratic process throws up as our Scottish leader. We can agree or disagree with her/his ideas and policies, but nobody will have the right to say “GTF, you’re a fraud”.
Or just run with the Continuity Pretender for years, trying to dredge up legitimacy where none exists.
To me it’s a no-brainer.
But if we choose Option 2, which seems to be the way things are going, expect years of the New Pretender being treated like he deserves; as a cipher put in place by fraud.
Mac says:at 8:43 am
When corrupt people come together they will create the laws that justify their corruption.
No idea whose quote this is. apologies.
@Ian Smith
‘The modern world makes 200 mile perimetered blood and soil nationalists look ridiculous’
There is always going to be overlap. There will always be mixing of peoples. In fact, given a long enough time span we are pretty much going to be mixed into 1 lump of humanity.
Left to be done naturally I have no problem with this.
What is happening now however are the orchestrated movements of masses of people purely for the purposes of demographic change in order to influence long-term political outcomes.
Couple this with the obvious institutional bias for the ‘refugees’ in terms of benefits, housing, health care etc and it can be considered on or close to one of the U.N definitions of genocide.
All of this is to undermine strong nations for the benefit of globalist corporates.
The proof of this is that the same people pushing the trans crap are the same people opening our borders and telling us to forget our ethnic heritage while promoting the cause of every so-called minority ethnic and religious group that comes here.
Our only option is to snap it all back to natural law and start from there.
A nation state should put its heritage population first in constitutional issues and then the immigrants who have made enough effort to to be considered almost native.
That only sounds radical because we have been so immersed in the propaganda of the radical ‘internationalism’ that opposes that concept that its become normal to us.
To advocate for easy civic-nationalist principles while our country is being flooded with foreigners is the same as advocating the end of the indigenous/heritage peoples ability to choose their future.
That’s the truth and I don’t care who that offends.
If English people want a country to decide the future of then they are in luck because they have one. The trouble is the same nation-destroying process is well at work there also.
If someone wants Britain to be the constitutional construct in which we operate then it needs to be made fit for purpose, that defends and upholds the welfare of the people who live within it and then perhaps a conversation could be had.
Until then the Scots best, only, option is to put their countrymen and their land 1st.
Why would I do that anymore than think of all the people who go to Spain on holiday and watch/dance Flamenco or the people who watch American based films & those who eat French food & read Madame Bovary. Not forgetting those who fancy French women/French kissing and are rumoured to have indulged in a ‘crime passionnel’ using a ‘fer à repasser’ to be exact it was a ‘fer à repasser vapeur’.
PS The only person who does any hammering around here is Stuart Campbell.
What exactly does it mean to be British & Scottish? Is it just another way of say ‘Unionist’?
The truth is I’ve got more things to worry about than whether I’m British or Scottish.
I need to know if I am a woman.
Should I have a penis?
What is a woman?
I desperately need your help.
Please help!
@ Joe says:28 April, 2023 at 11:57 am
Another great post.
the Scots best, only, option is to put their countrymen and their land 1st
It’s a time-limited option, and IMO it will have expired within 5 years as the demographic changes accelerate.
Maybes somebody from the Removals business will post on here some day, with figures for the house moves north across the border each week.
I’m betting it’s a thriving and lucrative earner.
@Ruby says:28 April, 2023 at 12:11 pm
Don’t over complicate things.
Repeat after me:
“I am a woman”.
See? Simples. And never mind about the trouser department. That’s irrelevant.
Right, now that is sorted out for you, I am off to say:
“I am a man”.
You don’t have to repeat that one, unless you really want to 🙂
O/t
The stone of destiny, the Scottish coronation stone, was stolen by an English ‘king’ Edward. For a very long time it was placed UNDER the English throne, as a clear reminder of Scotland’s subjugated place under English rule.
A few years back, the English decided to return the stone they had stolen from Scotland, but said (with a seemingly straight face) only under loan.
Yesterday, a bunch of auld unionist, england-worshipping gimps dressed up with ‘sticks’ paraded around in Edinburgh castle, in a wholly made up so-called ‘ceremony’ (this had never happened before, so it really was made up in 2023), accompanied by Scotland’s unelected house jock himself, the SNP’s Humza useless.
England and their English ‘king’ Charlie Windsor have decided that they will once again steal Scotland’s coronation stone, to place it UNDER the English throne for the English coronation of the English ‘king’ Charlie, in London, England.
Charlie and his coterie of hingers oan, and costumed gimps wi ‘sticks’ in Scotland can go swivel for all I care, but let’s be clear, the Stone of Destiny belongs to Scotland, and the Scottish crown is in Edinburgh. If Charlie Windsor really wants to pretend to be ‘king’ of Scotland he might care to firstly return the stolen Scottish coronation stone to the people it belongs to in Scotland permanently, and secondly come to Scotland and put the Scottish crown on his head in a Scottish coronation. He will do neither, but will ‘generously‘ loan the Scottish coronation stone he has stolen, back to Scotland.
On the day of the English coronation, Charlie ‘windsor’ (Saxe Coburg Gotha) will sit on an English throne with the Scottish coronation stone he has once again stolen from Scotland, underneath. His English crown, named after an ENGLISH king, full of stolen gemstones and diamonds, will be on his head.
And they wonder why we want independence FFS. If you live in England, and read this, just try imagining it all the other way around. You would not tolerate it for one freaking second.
The French had the right idea.
Sometimes when “Joe” posts, I think he has the -germ- of a point, then fumbles it, mostly, but the last couple were well-put.
Ever got the feeling what’s going to happen is going to happen anyway, and despite all your voting and elections, you have no real say in it?
or these strange movements becoming very powerful everywhere, all at once? How so?
– joining the dots; this sounds very grounded to me
link to isgp-studies.com
point #6 is the main one; multiculturalism has never worked in the past, and it cannot in a democracy – you need an authoritarian government, e.g. Tito’s Yugoslavia to crack heads and keep people in line; then when the SHTF people will be crying out for “law and order”/security, it’s clever, the people will be screaming for the shackles to be put upon them.
NB this site looks a bit “Icke-an”, but actually it is more “Anti-Icke” – one of the guy’s main theses is : almost all well-known conspiracy sites are bullshit artists peddling disinformation (- which is why Icke/Rense/Jones/Galloway make a ton of money while Assange/Snowden face the dungeon)
If you want to go down the rabbit hole for real, the site article on the CFR is a good start.
link to isgp-studies.com
Foreign Affairs is the house journal of the CFR, you should read it if you can; it tells you what “they” intend to do, albeit in coded language.
As for the “consumer” society, this is heavy, but on it – the first sentence is all you need
link to thepostil.com
High quality, low cost, consumer goods – nowadays, cheap toys from amazon made in china – which do make a huge improvement to your quality of life, was always the thing that the western system had; but it’s a con job – you will never really own anything truly valuable, never be allowed to make real decisions about your own life. You give up something really valuable for something tasty, right now. If you like the Bible, go read that story about the lad who gives up his birthright for a bowl of soup.
@ Joe 8:41
I have been meaning to post something similar but arguing from a different angle.
If nationalism is so evil and malign, what about anti-nationalism, whether you call it unionism, liberalism, globalism etc?
You have set out the argument that this ‘anti-nationalism’ is far from being a force of good and light.
Just another thing. I had read an Unherd article from the Rev’s feed a while back which was putting forward the idea that societies best and brightest who form our establishment do not have any political leanings or opinions on anything and are just interested in getting on with ruling.
Nothing wrong with that, most people are apolitical and moderate but what is happening with these elites is that they are unable or unwilling to deal with radical elements in our society like Trans rights activities and side with them to get back to the easy, non-threatening and cosy lives they lead.
For the most part they are insulated from the consequences of these radical elements so they can easily follow this path. Even if the do get affected by them, they have the ability to up end sticks and move to another country that allows them to lead the lives they desire.
With these in mind, does nationalism sound all that bad?
So another UK PM heads north on a very carefully choreographed fleeting visit to be filmed by selected media with forced employee photo-ops then out the back door and speedily back south leaving that selected media to put out pre-arranged footage & propaganda as per instructions.
Not one of the cowardly b@st@rds who occupy No10 will walk the streets meeting real unrestricted Scots. Not without an entourage of 20 or 30 security personnel around them. Even then the scummy turds don’t have the bottle.
And how many more Tory PM’s are going to fly north and embarrass the poor wee Scottish branch office tea boy, Duglap Dross? Quick, Duglap, get yer knee pads oot, yer master’s coming.
Ian Smith @11:09
“…have music collection stuffed with public schooled southern bands…”
Is that the Genesis of a cultural cringe?
Yeah! You should really include your pronouns mam and maybe change your name to Jean.
Oh hang on Jean is the french for John but if you included your pronouns all would be clear.
link to youtube.com
Can I now ask if you are a Scottish,British or a British/Scottish woman mam?
@John Main
What I want really, is to try to introduce modes of thinking of how to ensure for ourselves a future that doesn’t require successful political representation and to visualise the beginning of a national revival outside of the political arena but which doesn’t surrender the political sphere either.
@ Robert Louis says:28 April, 2023 at 12:34 pm
If you don’t care about the monarchy (a majority of Scots don’t, and an overwhelming majority of Wingers don’t), then it is irrational to get worked up about a few people in gimp costumes fetishing over a hunk of rock.
Exactly who are they harming?
I say live and let live.
Alternatively, expand on your proposals for a constitutional Head of State in an iScotland. Run it up the flag pole, see who salutes.
And they wonder why we want independence FFS
Seriously? You reckon this is a driver for Indy?
Naw.
OK, yes, coming in at # 94 on the list of reasons.
Something inside me has really snapped over this proposal to abolish
juries, I guess in the same way GGR did for others. I have absolutely had enough of the SNP, in a really fundamental way, if they do this.
Here we go again..
«Arcturus» has arrived and Nic not around to keep us muzzled, jabbed, locked up and «safe».
How often can you cry WOLF.
@ Ruby says:28 April, 2023 at 12:50 pm
Let me do a Gregor for you (where is he these days anyways?):
“mam” – abbrev for “mammie”, somebody’s mother.
“ma’am” – abbrev for “madam”, an honourific or polite title for a woman.
Clear?
So Humza, who claimed to be republican in one of the leadership tv debates, is not only going to attend Ruritania’s big day oot in London but also turned up dutifully at Edinburgh Castle for some ridiculous ceremony.
He was there, so we were informed, in his capacity as Keeper of the Great Seal of Scotland.
As if things didn’t smell fishy enough he now has to feed an aquatic mammal.
I have no problem with ethnic nationalism, I think it is required to achieve independence. Nouvelle Caledonie/ New Caledonia holds referendums on independence from France which follow this procedure, realising that non natives may have bias against independence.
Of course I disagree with oppressing other nationalities both within and outwith Scotland ie no aggressive overtures to other nations
I’m a bit lost with this debate because I don’t know exactly what is meant by a culture?
Would you say for example the French, German & Polish have a totally different culture from the British?
If the only immigrants we had here were French, German & Polish would the country still be classed as multi-cultural or would it just be multi-lingual?
I was confused as to why people objected to EU immigration but were happy with immigration from outwith Europe who for the most part have a very different culture to what we have/had in the UK.
I was going to give FGM female genital mutilation as a example of one big difference but I can’t do that any more because ‘female genital mutilation’ is all part of British culture now.
Craig Murray 1.13pm.
I have already written to my SNP MSP ( Michelle Thomson) about abolishing jury trials in rape and attempted rape cases. I want to know where she stands on this. I intend to write to my MP and the First Minister about it too.
Republicofscotland.
The first site to visit is the UK parliament site. Which you can google if you cannot get a direct link.
I was looking for articles of the union when i came across the statement by UK parliament in 2023.
It state the following.
“The Scottish parliament extinguished itself by agreeing to the treaty of the union.”
“mam” – abbrev for “mammie”, somebody’s mother.
Only if you are a Geordie!
Gregor/Andy Ellis same poster. In a huff because I called him a cunt?
“ma’am” – abbrev for “madam”, an honourific or polite title for a woman.
FFS! What is a woman and does she/he run a brothel?
@ Ruby, who wrote “The real question is are you a Scot or a Brit?”
It’s entirely possible to be both. They aren’t mutually exclusive designations.
Finding things on the UK Parliament site is not an easy task.
The best thing to do is use the contact page and send them a message
link to parliament.uk
I did this when I wanted to read Hansard from the time the Gender Recognition Act 2004 was passed.
They were very helpful and sent me a list of all the entries in Hansard re GRA2004.
Not sure if the archive/Hansard goes as far back as 1707.
It’s a one answer only question!
“The Scottish parliament extinguished itself by agreeing to the treaty of the union.”
Thank you James Che, however the English parliamentary website telling us that our parliament extinguished itself, is akin to the BBC telling us they told the truth and were not biased during the 2014 indyref.
Its more like our parliament was suspended, as its the people of Scotland that are sovereign and they didn’t have a vote on the matter back then.
It only took me a couple of clicks to find this page for those that are interested in the English parliaments version of events, believing what is written in these pages is also a bit like believing Kelvin McKenzie is only kidding when he says he loathes Scots.
Better to read this instead.
link to salvo.scot
link to websearch.parliament.uk
Saffron Robe,
It gives great pleasure to myself that you have understood the ramifications of what it a means if Scotlands parliament and therefore the Country of Scotland was extinguished from the treaty of union in 1707 by agreeing to the treaty as the UK parliament site states.
It is also important that we remember that when Scotlands parliament closed its doors under Sine Die in 1707 that it no longer was in the treaty of union until present times.
A extinguished parliament cannot be in a treaty with anyone,
A parliament that closed its doors as a active parliament in 1707 (Scotland ) also cannot participate in the treaty of parliamentary union.
I suspect even then in 1707 there were those that were wary of a union between Scotland and England as permanent, those whom thought it should not be binding, leaving get out clauses.
That is only supposition, However in the present situation it is blessing for Scotland.
As we do not find a union of parliaments from 1707 onwards between Scotland and Englands parliaments.
The Scottish parliament is missing from the faux treaty of union for the past 300 years.
And creates many other conumdrums for Westminsters parliament and and “their” Supreme Court of the United kingdom ( if it exists with no Scottish parliament in it.) or having jurisdiction on matters regarding Scotland.
Westminster has presumed it captured Scotland in 1707, through the Scottish parliament, it appears legally it did no such thing. As Scotland has not been part of the treaty for the past 300 years. It was extinguished, and closed.
That leaves Westminster as a solitary parliament in the treaty of union since 1707.
ben madigan @12:22
Absolutely – I expect crown agents enjoy being ordered to be bad just as much as the rest of us but the increasingly obscure concept of anonymity for the accuser, especially in a politically sensitive sting, has me extremely curious as to quite how fit for purpose might be the lady whose dayjob involved handcuffs and uniforms whilst pretending to be a schoolgirl for the online seduction of Penny Mordant’s brother.. a brief search of the redtops returning only photos of a delightful* Penny rather than, say, the accuser in her thigh length police boots & old school tie, etc 🙂
*(not to be confused with delighted!)
@ Ruby says:28 April, 2023 at 1:49 pm
“mam” – abbrev for “mammie”, somebody’s mother.
Only if you are a Geordie!
Here you go, Ruby:
link to scots-online.org
mam [mam]
n. Mother.
dim. mammie. Also a grandmother.
Noo, school’s oot fir the day. Awa an play. Promise tae stick in mair next wik.
An dinna be using bad words.
Isn’t it strange that we have returned stolen artefacts to Benin and Nigeria, North American Indians, etc but again Scotland doesn’t count as we are owned by England and morality goes out the window when they look North
Do the SNP/Scottish Government have a “Let’s really piss them off’ committee that comes up with policy after policy, each one more hated than the last by the majority of the public? Seems that way to me.
A Scot Abroad @2:06
“It’s entirely possible to be both. They aren’t mutually exclusive designations”
You’re absolutely correct, they’re not mutually exclusive, because 100% of Unionists I know are proud to be both Scottish and British. For Unionists, these terms go together like bread and butter. For the most committed Unionist however, the ‘Union Bears’ types, they may well fall into the British NOT Scottish category.
100% of Indy supporters I know, self included, fall into the Scottish NOT British camp.
The only thing “British” about me is my passport. Therefore for me, the terms British and Scottish are indeed mutually exclusive – I’m definitely one, and definitely not the other.
Here Yousless stands by like spare pr*ck at a wedding as our Stone of Destiny is removed and sent to England for a foreign monarch to sit his arse on a chair just above it.
I’d imagine Yousless would sent his granny South of the border if it meant furthering his career.
link to twitter.com
Below is from Craig Murray, I hope its true.
“All of the earliest sources describe the Stone of Scone as black and shiny. Very likely a lump of meteorite, or possibly polished granite.
Our ancestors did not ascribe great powers to a bit of common builders’ sandstone. Longshanks was duped.”
Hats of to Colin Mackay here.
link to twitter.com
Saffron Robe.
Repulicofscotland.
I wrote these notes down a month or two ago and trying to re- read my own handwriting, so the only change or replacement needed would be to change Vol…268) to 206 if you need to access the info in records.
Here is a lovely piece of legalise from a excerpt from the HC parliament.
LIST OF ACTS! HC Deb 4th December 1995 vol 268 cc 65- 7w
Mr Charles Kennedy: To ask the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will List those Acts of the Scottish Parliament before 1707 which are still in force?
Lord Douglas Hamilton: A list of the Acts of the parliament of Scotland before 1707 which have not been Statuely repealed are as follows, While there is a presumption that any Scots Acts which has not been repealed remains in force, That presumption can be rebutted through the application of the doctrine of Desuetude, That doctrine requires proof to the satisfaction of the Scottish Courts that it has not been repealed and there has been continued practice.
Doctrine of Destuetude is what NS should have taken to the Scottish courts for the 300 years missing Scottish parliament from the treaty of the union.
Republicofscotland.
I will provide posts and most links or references to all that I have researched in the coming weeks.
Effigy.
It seems that Scotland is owned by Westminster, but this can only be surmised to be under the word “Colony” for the Scottish parliament and therefore SCOTLAND is missing from the treaty of Union since the date 1707.
Extinguished by the treaty of union agreement to be exclude from going forward into the treaty of union itself.
This agreement was ratified by both the parliament of England and the parliament of Scotland by Domestic law in both Countries, as at that stage it was not a considered a international treaty.
Nor could it be considered a international treaty thereafter as it extinguished the Scottish parliament from being a participant to the treaty of union.
“A Scot Abroad says:
28 April, 2023 at 2:06 pm
@ Ruby, who wrote “The real question is are you a Scot or a Brit?”
It’s entirely possible to be both. They aren’t mutually exclusive designations.”
You’ll be a hermaphro-nationalist then?
Thank you James Che, I take your points, no need to scour through notes to post.
Stone of Destiny.
Quotes from the links below…
“The little documentary evidence which exists describes the stone as round and concave, as would be expected of a seat or throne. And the document seal for Scone Abbey, the original home of the stone, shows the stone as backless seat or stool. Yet the stone at Westminster is shaped like a slab or block.
This has led to rumours that the then Abbot of Scone hid the genuine stone when news reached him that Edward was advancing on the Abbey. It is said he handed over either a building slab from a nearby construction work or the cover for a cess pit.”
link to archive.md
“Early chroniclers write of the Stone of Destiny and describe it as a black marble or metallic stone, shaped like a backless hollowed out chair, and with ornate carved designs around it.
There are gold coins and the great seals of various Kings of Scots that show them seated on the Stone of Destiny, the Stone appears to be of seat height, also one can clearly see that there is some form of relief design or inscriptions carved on the Stone, and all the Kings are bearing a crown and sceptre.
At the coronation of Alexander the third (1249) the boy King was brought to Scone and enthroned out of doors, beside a cross in the churchyard, on the scared Stone of the Scots. At the inauguration was the chronicler Walter of Guisborough who described the Stone as large, concaved, black in colour and shaped like a round chair.
Some historians would have us believe that King Edward of England had taken the sacred Stone of the Scots in 1296, to symbolize the extinction of the Kingdom of Scots, back to Westminster with him.
However, Edward was outwitted by the Scone Monks, after all they had time to hide the true Stone and replace it with the unremarkable block of sand stone from a local quarry, which was the stone that Edward had taken. Geologists proved that the stone taken by Edward I of England, is of “lower Old Red Sandstone”, which was quarried in the vicinity of Scone.”
link to alba-gu-brath.com
Re my 3.22pm comment in which journalist Colin Mackay asked the English PM Sunak a hard question (in January) which Sunak dodged, today at the London Tory branch office conference in Scotland (Glasgow) the English PM Sunak actually blocked the media in Scotland from accessing the conference altogether.
The situation in Scotland, self inflicted, might make you weep but nothing compared to the Globalist stitch up involving the UN, WHO, World Bank, WEF and everything else with world or equivalent in its title.
An independent Scottish state would be entering a geopolitical maelstrom. Not convinced enough are aware of that and the necessity to stay very cool and alert in the face of a new global model which effectively has little time for «nations» and «cultures» or even democracy, as classically understood.
When things seem to fall apart locally there is that fatal tendency to look outside for answers. The Globalist «controllers» are always happy to help as are their ancillaries, the media.
BRIAN DOONTHETOON.
EXTRACT FROM WIKI ON EDWARD 1.
«At Berwick, Edward I held parliament, where all the bishops, earls, barons, abbots, and priors, undertook homage and swore oaths that they would be loyal to Edward I. Edward I allowed the nobility to remain in possession of their lands, provided they came to the parliament. Edward I appointed the John de Warenne, 6th Earl of Surrey, as guardian of Scotland, with Hugh de Cressingham as treasurer and Walter de Amersham as chancellor. Edward I returned to England on 16 September.
Edward I had crushed the Scots army, with many of the Scots nobility in captivity, he set about STRIPPING SCOTLAND of its STATEHOOD AND IDENTITY with the removal of the Stone of Destiny, the Scottish crown, the Black Rood of St Margaret all taken from Scotland and sent to Westminster Abbey, England»
More than that he systematically stripped cathedrals, abbeys and monasteries of their historic archives thus removing all evidence of the nation’s recorded history. This is one of the strategies used by invaders to erase all memory of a people’s very existence.
The English king with his arse on the Stone of Destiny, whether real or fake, is the ultimate insult.
KOF says: 28 April, 2023 at 3:55 pm
From what I’ve read, Eddie Izzard identifies like a man one minute and a woman the other. Maybe the OP is the same where he/she is Scottish one minute and British the other.
I believe Izzard is gender fluid. Maybe the OP is national fluid?
I was beyond shocked to see Humza saying he would make sure the stone was returned. Ha ha like they will sit up and listen to him, Humza is having a laugh.
Such grovelling supine bullshit. It will be returned if they say so.
Even the Lord Lyon said it was only returned by the last queen as an act of “kindness”. Well bugger me I am speechless.
Can these people not get off their knees!
Such comments show they are unfit for office
Ruby at 1:38 pm:
“I was confused as to why people objected to EU immigration but were happy with immigration from outwith Europe who for the most part have a very different culture to what we have/had in the UK.”
I think the automatic right of entry was what many objected to. Now (in theory) you have to apply, show why you should be allowed entry and even pay for the undeniable privilege. Seems fair. I have colleagues from India who resented the ‘free pass’ given to EU member states. It’s a good point about dissimilar cultures but (again in theory, if government did what they’re supposed to do) we ought to be able to control the numbers entering and therefore control any negative influence on ‘our culture’.
‘Ruby says:
28 April, 2023 at 8:40 am
James Che says:
27 April, 2023 at 9:33 pm
Ruby,
My apologies to you for misunderstanding your comment,
But perhaps you may have misunderstood mine also.
You probably don’t read my comments but that’s OK because I stopped reading yours a long time ago’.
Despite a lot of evidence to the contrary, I always knew that there was a little bit of sense lurking somewhere in you Ruby.
Does anybody read Che’s posts? Mind you if you have read one, you have read them all.
James Jones says: at 6:10 pm
“It’s a good point about dissimilar cultures but (again in theory, if government did what they’re supposed to do) we ought to be able to control the numbers entering and therefore control any negative influence on ‘our culture’.”
But not Scotland, natch. Scots can just put up with any old cultures being imposed upon us because immigration is a power reserved to London Rule.
Ergo there’s no issues with loads of pro-UK union English leaving there Tory (of all colours) controlled shithole of a country and heading north and thus influencing / diluting Scottish culture as “New Scots”.
Ottomanboi: “More than that he systematically stripped cathedrals, abbeys and monasteries of their historic archives thus removing all evidence of the nation’s recorded history. This is one of the strategies used by invaders to erase all memory of a people’s very existence.
The English king with his arse on the Stone of Destiny, whether real or fake, is the ultimate insult.”
This one of the reasons it is difficult to study mediaeval Scottish history properly. So much has been lost and Edward’s Pol Pot Year Zero actions were entirely deliberate.
No wonder that even to this day the folk of Berwick wish to return to Scotland. The massacre of its citizens by Edward’s forces was an appalling act of vindictive brutality.
@BDTT: thanks for that. I love the fact that Charlie will park his Gove on a stank cover while the ghosts of the Scone monks split their sides.
Ian McLean says:25 April, 2023 at 10:22 pm
“I feel sure the National has been preparing a big front page splash.”
…Perhaps a 1/2 page advertising feature for those big chavvy bath things the ‘camper van set’ might have in their gardens?
Stone of Destiny, again.
Thanks to Dundee Annie (who features in the video) for the link.
“Is this the truth about Scotland’s Stone of Scone? Many historians think so. This is a slightly (but only slightly) tongue-in-cheek telling of the history of the Stone of Scone, and the video features Doon-The-Pan’s People performing Scotland’s latest dance craze, the Cludgie Calypso.”
link to youtube.com
Does anybody read Che’s posts? Mind you if you have read one, you have read them all.
Honestly? No… you see thon owl and know he’s jist aye banging on about something that happened just after five-past-five; possibly something to do with a goodie bag missing its Crackerjack pencil… #brokenrecord – #skipit!
Stu… is it no time you threw another bit o’ raw meat in the pen? – they’re starting to eat each other! – An’ that’s no good for the auld metrics in the long term! 😉
@ KOF,
I’m not a “hermaphro-nationalist”, I’m a Scot who believes in the benefit of the union. British is a political opinion, Scots is an ethnicity.
Dan at 6:31 pm:
“But not Scotland, natch. Scots can just put up with any old cultures being imposed upon us because immigration is a power reserved to London Rule.?Ergo there’s no issues with loads of pro-UK union English leaving there Tory (of all colours) controlled shithole of a country and heading north and thus influencing / diluting Scottish culture as ‘New Scot’s’”.
Ah yes, it’s the literal new Shangri-La, although Scotland hasn’t been a prime location for immigrants to the UK. The Nats are depending on EU membership so those people would just walk in unchecked anyway.
James Jones says: at 7:28 pm
“Ah yes, it’s the literal new Shangri-La, although Scotland hasn’t been a prime location for immigrants to the UK. The Nats are depending on EU membership so those people would just walk in unchecked anyway.”
Why are you talking about migration to the UK. I was talking about retaining our specific Scottish culture and how that is being impacted by the considerable numbers of folk from England moving to Scotland.
And we are out of the EU so that angle of unchecked immigration is closed off for the foreseeable.
A self-governing Scotland would have its own immigration policy that would be tailored to better suit our specific Scottish needs.
Clearly London Rule over the course of the 300 odd year union hasn’t managed to adequately manage our respective populations as at the start the Kingdom of England’s population was approximately 5 times that of the Kingdom of Scotland, but it is now approximately 10 times, with all the economic advantages that gave the KoE with that population growth disparity in their favour. There has been no political will implemented over the course of the union to address that situation.
And it’s clear that London Rule’s immigration policy, amongst other policies have pissed off a lot of English folk too, if they are choosing to up sticks and leave their English homeland and move up to Scotland.
Ottomanboi @ 4:36 pm
“STRIPPING SCOTLAND of its STATEHOOD AND IDENTITY”
A most helpful definition of colonial oppression: sovereignty stolen and Scottish identity marginalised and made subordinate, ultimately perishing, replaced by ‘that excellent model’ the imperial oppressor calls ‘British’.
Some Scots still hold to this ‘false persona’, even celebrating their adopted ‘superior’ identity (over the ‘subordinate’ native identity), despite it being a ‘cultural illusion’. Such is the power of ‘cultural/colonial assimilation’ and the effect of a ‘colonial mindset’.
Brian doonthetoon,
Enjoyed your post on the description of the Stone of Destiny, it is as close as can be to what I had read on it a few years ago,
Your research was Throughly enjoyable.
Why did your colleagues from India resent ‘free movement of Labour’ between EU states?
The big difference between immigration from India and the EU deal is that with the EU deal we also had the automatic right to live and work in any EU country. Do we have an automatic right to go and live & work in India and would we want to?
I presume your colleagues from India voted for Brexit.
It’s too late now for the government to do anything we live in a multi-cultural society and as your India colleagues have demonstrated each culture will be looking to make their particular culture the dominant one.
What do you mean when you say ‘our culture’?
Do you think your culture is the same as my culture? I would say my culture is European.
Dan 6.31 pm. 100% spot on. I’d just like to add that if it proves to be in the next referendum, that southern incomer votes cost us our independence for a second time. Then they be better be prepared for a quick exit.
All the problems with immigration is down to the politicians not listening to the people.
Any mention of immigration you were branded a racist or in the case of Gillian Duffy a bigoted woman.
The same thing is happening with the transgender issue.
If ‘Useless’ wins his GRRB case we will have a whole different immigration issue.
Alf Baird.
I have a problem, I have great difficulty in convincing my brain to become colonised, although some still try to convince it with the colonial barrage mindset of put down tactics, Q “doff yer cap” kind of acceptance,
Although I have to admit, I enjoy reading them, it reminds me of why I have no wish to join them in a down trodden union mentality towards Scots and Scotland, hundreds of years of old propaganda still dies hard on new ears in this century.
It does the heart good to be reminded, just as one may start to forget what we fight to leave behind us 😉
Colonialists take over a country by force or stealth. Aborigines who lived in Australia for thousands of years suddenly found themselves an ethnic group when the UK arrived. They were like South Africans, treated and killed on a whim. The Union flag is not called the butchers apron for nothing. All of course led by Westminster
Ruby at 8:38 pm:
“Why did your colleagues from India resent ‘free movement of Labour’ between EU states?”
They reside in the UK but given equal qualifications they had to pay for that right to live and work.
“The big difference between immigration from India and the EU deal is that with the EU deal we also had the automatic right to live and work in any EU country. Do we have an automatic right to go and live & work in India and would we want to?”
People often talk about their former right to live and work in the EU, but few exercised it. You still could, you just have to apply, and so it should be.
“I presume your colleagues from India voted for Brexit.”
At the time they didn’t have the vote.
“What do you mean when you say ‘our culture’?”
You said it first. I was addressing whatever you meant by that. A change in the status quo.
“Do you think your culture is the same as my culture? I would say my culture is European.”
Mine too, but not EUropean.
Fascinating tweet by CM recounting ancient descriptions of the Stone of Destiny as black and shiny.
If so it is almost certainly a meteorite of some description. So often these clearly alien objects were seen as sacred or special and rightly so. Not of this world.
I’d love to hear more about its history especially through the Craig Murray lens if he can bothered with an article on it. Very interesting indeed.
Any theories on where the real one is now?
Put in search engine,
what date did the westminster parliament dissolve prior to creating the Bristish parliament?
No answer comes up, no date given, from google, wikipedia or the UK parliament site.
However uk parliament does provide some indications of the length of period the Gb parliament has existed.
Under parliamentary archives you find, EXPLORE OVER 500 YEARS OF PARLIAMENT IN THE UK.
Now Here was me thinking , along with many Scots that the United kingdom parliament Did not exist until 300 years ago.
Under this section in UK parliament site you find , EVOLUTION OF PARLIAMENT, The modern British parliament is one of the oldest assemblies in the world.
300 years is not that old,
Unless the Westminster parliament is saying it did not dissolve the old English parliament in 1707.
Mac,
It was fascinating and interesting reading.
But now may be a inappropriate time to say where the real one is, if we did know.
Who told you that rubbish?
You say anyone can go and live in the EU all they have to do is apply.
Does the same thing apply to anyone coming to the UK?
What’s the problem with the people crossing the channel on rubber dinghys?
They are just applying to come to live & work here.
@Mac 9.31: supposedly hidden in the vicinity of Scone by Scottish monks. Since we didn’t insist on the return of the sandstone object in subsequent treaties like the comprehensive Treaty of Edinburgh of 1328, I think we can conclude that we knew the latter stone wasn’t the original.
Ah, you ignored my 6:10 pm post where I twice said, “-in theory, if the government did what they’re supposed to do,” with respect to illegal immigration.
Plenty people do. Just check the thread to find out.
Definitely a lot more people than read your crap about ‘The Bonny White Heather Brigade’
and your
James Che says:
“It is also important that we remember that when Scotland’s parliament closed its doors under Sine Die in 1707 that it no longer was in the treaty of union until present times.
“A extinguished parliament cannot be in a treaty with anyone. A parliament that closed its doors as a active parliament in 1707 (Scotland) also cannot participate in the treaty of parliamentary union.”
You may well have found the legal loophole that sets us free, James! The more I think about your argument, the more valid it becomes. Although you obviously know more about the exact dates and circumstances than me, it seems that the Scottish Parliament dissolved itself but the English Parliament did not. It simply closed its doors and then reopened them to admit the Scottish MPs. In other words, Westminster is not a union of parliaments but a continuation of the English Parliament. This means that the Scottish MPs (of all parties) sitting at Westminster are serving not Scotland but England. The same is also true of the MSPs sitting in the Westminster created devolutionist parliament at Holyrood as is quite clear from their actions (or inaction in some instances, as in the case of Brexit). Since English (parliamentary) sovereignty and English law do not apply in Scotland then Westminster has no hold over Scotland whatsoever! It is all an elaborately crafted illusion! Perhaps this is the knowledge they are so determined to keep hidden. I do not know whether it will prove decisive or not but it is certainly a very interesting and worthwhile lens to look through. Well done for steadfastly pursuing your line of thought even although there were many who tried their best to dissuade you.
Well yes! Just check the thread to find out.
I’m guessing more people read his posts than read your crap about ‘The Bonny White Heather Brigade’ and your copy and pastes from the Better Together handbook.
Oops previous post uploaded before I was finished
Well yes! Just check the thread to find out.
I’m guessing more people read his posts than read your crap about ‘The Bonny White Heather Brigade’ and your copy and pastes from the Better Together handbook.
Sorry Ruby, I just realised what you were getting at with respect to living and working in the EU, and also reciprocally in the UK. I didn’t mean ‘applying’ meant a guarantee. Free movement allows non-contributors to move in, whereas a requirement to apply for residency or work brings a responsibility to demonstrate what one can deliver. I think that’s fair.
The “extinguishing of Parliaments” thing is just geography. Would it have made a difference if the location of the new (in 1707) UK Parliament had been in Scotland? Scotland is undeniably democratically represented in the UK Parliament.
This is brutally brilliant.
‘The SNP online store has deleted all its Nicola merchandising.’
link to thinkscotland.org
Sorry I missed the illegal immigration part.
That’s a whole other issue.
Kenmure Street, dawn raids, the Windrush generation, Rwanda it’s all a big mess.
That’s all I can say about illegal immigration.
Did you know that before Spain was in the EU there were thousands of British illegal immigrants working in Spain stealing Spanish jobs.
I suspect the same thing might be happening now that the UK is no longer in the EU.
Unless as you say nobody from the UK works in the EU.
Mac
The real stone was black and contained carvings.
It was made of a dark chlorite schist found around Castle Sween at Doide. When polished it appears very dark grey, almost black.
After Edward’s invasion it was hidden at Dunsinan hill in a soutern until 1820 when a landslip required that it be moved.
I will say no more
“Unless as you say nobody from the UK works in the EU.”
Ha! I don’t think I said that. I meant lots of people bleat about losing their ‘right’ to live and work in the EU with never any intention of exercising it, so what’s their point? And if you meet the requirements to live and work in another country it’s all good. If not… meh!
Jings James still going hard at it, like a dug wi a bone.
@James Che, I salute your indefatigabity, and all that, but please, give it a wee rest, for a bit anyway.
Firstly, you’re confusing a Parliament with a Nation, and second, some understanding of business would help clear your thinking.
Any business merger, of two similar outfits, results in duplication – this is why redundancies occur after every merger.
Usually, the larger of the two outfits retains it’s infrastructure, and folds in only what is required from the aquisition – most often what follows is a rebranding.
Now is it a new corporation, or is it one of the old corporations under a new name, both, or neither?
There was a merger of nations. The larger outfit folded the smaller into its structure and binned any duplication. There was a rebranding.
The Scottish Parliament was a duplication, a lot of it was binned, some of its legislation was retained.
There was a re-branding – the old English Parliament ceased to exist also, and a new corporate entity came into being as the UK of etc etc.
The offices were made redundant, the corporations continued in a different form. It is not very difficult to understand.
Similarly it is not difficult to understand that in a business merger the contractual agreements leading to a business merger, are always ‘live’ documents.
Over time, anything that remained of both old corporate entities, fades to obsolescence. The new corporation becomes changed almost beyond anything either were originally.
The new corporation may retain vestiges of the old corporations. Any contractual obligations are left in a safe, and the key is in a drawer somewhere, they’ll remember where in a minute, and have their people mail your people a copy if you need it – anyway, about this new project…
It really isn’t difficult at all.
The new corporation of the UK etc. exists, and has been trading for quite a considerable time.
It has grown considerably and now has branches nationwide. These branches have their own executive officers who report to head office.
The only issue is, that the new operational T’s & C’s didn’t include provision for divesting of aquisitions due to monopoly concerns.
Everyone connected with both original companies at the time of merger are long dead, or retired. The heirs of one of primary stakeholders wishes to divest the assets of the company.
The current T’s and C’s make no provision for this. The original merger documents are pored over, and so are the T’s & C’s.
Both sides lawyer up. There is much blethering.
It’s agreed the divestment of assets is put to a vote of shareholders, and the result is negative.
The corporation continues. The corporation decides that it hasn’t adequately prepared for such a divestment scenario, and loads for bear.
As an aside, in case anyone wonders, economically, who the hell has all the money if almost all global nations have a national debt – it’s corporations.
Because corporations must retain a ‘war chest’ this is used to stave of aggresive aquisitions, and to make aggresive aquisitions. This a very, very costly and cutthroat business, and these corporations load for bear.
See, easy peasy.
Scotland wasn’t abolished, England wasn’t abolished, they trade under a new name – old fax machines, and letterheads are in the bin, together with the old offices, and redundant paperwork.
Now, about that last shareholder meeting…
James Jones,
“Scotland is undeniably democratically represented in the UK Parliament”
I think we can also say what England wants, England gets, simple arithmetic, it has everything to do with being outnumbered and very little to do with Scottish democracy.
The U.K. Parliament is the English Parliament and they lord it over the others in this asymmetrical and absurd Union.
Northern Ireland’s interests are represented by their Parliament, Wales’ interests are represented by their parliament, Scotland’s interests are represented by their parliament.
Who represents England’s interests?
This Union and English Parliament has no intention of representing any nation democratically or fairly whatsoever other than itself.
The English Supreme Court, quite provocatively, told Scotland to fuck off about asking the good people of Scotland what they thought about self determination.
They were told categorically that any democratic nonsense regarding the Will of the People was a complete no go area.
Democracy? Not so much.
You can of course continue to convince yourself and others that Scotland has never had it so good but you really shouldn’t be surprised that a great many people might disagree with your viewpoint.
Yeah, “Freedom for Tooting”, and all that, but that’s democracy.
Interview with Alex Salmond in the Daily Telegraph, published Friday 28th April. link to archive.is
Interesting to see this update on the alleged perjury at his trial:-
‘The only sign of prickliness comes when I ask about his 2020 trial, the impact it has had on him and whether it is still a problem for voters. “I’m not going to go into that,” he says, pointing out that Scotland’s Crown Office is currently investigating allegations he made about witnesses committing perjury during his trial. “I’m content with how that’s going and the seriousness with which it’s being taken.”’
Has anyone cleaned the trail of slime up that the little creep Sunak slithered behind him on his way up, over and from our land yet? Not my PM.
‘SNP plays longer game in bid for Scottish independence’ BBC News (29 April 2023)
link to bbc.co.uk
Iain mhor says:
28 April, 2023 at 11:14 pm
Firstly, you’re confusing a Parliament with a Nation, and second, some understanding of business would help clear your thinking.
Any business merger, of two similar outfits, results in duplication – this is why redundancies occur after every merger.
Usually, the larger of the two outfits retains it’s infrastructure, and folds in only what is required from the aquisition – most often what follows is a rebranding.
How quintessentially “Unionist” Mr Mhor.
You call it a business “merger” between similar outfits, but then proceed to describe a hostile takeover with one of those outfits “more equal than the other”…
Your own “business” thinking is so clear, it’s painfully transparent.
Perhaps they are thinking about their children and would prefer they didn’t grow up to be ‘Little Englanders’ like yourself.
Who do you think is going to meet the requirements to go to live & work in an EU country?
Which country is going to say yes your young people can come here to broaden their horizons and learn a new language while your country doesn’t return the favour?
God help us from the narrow minded, arrogant, ignorant ‘Little Englanders’
Instead of getting excited about going off to another country to work in the sun for the summer our young people can stay here and obsess about their gender & climate change.
Colonised by wankers did you say?
Mac says on 28 April, 2023 at 9:31 pm: “Any theories on where the real one is now?”
Wouldn’t surprise me if it was buried/hidden in beside ‘Longshanks’ at Westminster Abbey. 😉
“Scotland is undeniably democratically represented in the UK Parliament.”
Utter BS, as Scottish MPs are more often than not voted down, they are seriously outnumbered by their English counterparts and that doesn’t include the shit the indy MPs have to deal with.
A few here seem to be having difficulty in defining Scottish culture. To me it has working class social conservative roots and and a hierarchy of English public school educated “toffs” many of whom can trace their lineage back to the 11th century. In fact, these people are true Scots or Scandinavian immigrants who used this part of the island for rape and plunder.
Their descendants are the real villains here not the English, they abused the indigenous people cruelly drove them from their homes to other countries and finally sold this country for profit, into a union which has benefitted us financially but not culturally.
Our culture developed as a mish mash of couthy working class dogma, cold Presbyterianism, military myth and latterly into a black void of political correctness directed by media moguls, corrupt politicians and vested interests in sexual deviance.
All in all a strange not very nice or intelligent nation and tho’ I support the idea of “Independence”, the sight of hundreds of fluttering saltires makes me shudder.
“Scotland is undeniably democratically represented in the UK Parliament”
True, but inadequate, as the assertion is incomplete, because Scotland’s sovereignty is NOT represented at all in the UK Parliament!
As it happens, England’s sovereignty isn’t represented either, but the English establishment isn’t remotely bothered about that because it has managed to substitute its sovereignty with its huge representation in the UK Parliament, giving it a far more powerful voice in the Parliament than it would ever get through merely having its sovereignty properly recognised. This is because the democratic representation of the UK is not correctly evaluated when it comes to voting on matters within Westminster’s chambers.
Westminster’s internal voting system treats all MPs as if they represented 650 undifferentiated constituencies, with no meaningful distinction among them, but this is not appropriate for what these MPs represent. That description, which the Westminster English establishment insists is accurate, is a deliberate oversimplification of the constitutional reality, an oversimplification so extreme that it amounts to an outright and egregious falsehood which masks a seriously abusive and entirely unlawful and unconstitutional situation, and one which has cause Scotland extreme damage.
This is because there exists a critical distinction that separates those 650 MPs into two clear groups, one of which represents exclusively the sovereign kingdom of Scotland, while the other represents exclusively the sovereign kingdom of England. Those two kingdoms were and continue to be the two Principals of the Treaty that founded both the UK and its parliament, and their distinct and separate sovereignties oblige Westminster to acknowlege and respect both of those sovereignties, because sovereignty really matters, something Westminster understands very well indeed.
Anyone who contends that sovereignty doesn’t matter has never listened to Westminster or its tame Supreme Court going on and on about Westminster’s ‘unlimited sovereignty’, a sovereignty that it frequently asserts as covering the whole of the UK, and which authorises it to ‘make or unmake’ any legislation it likes, for any reason it likes. This assertion is wholely unwarranted, and the exercise of that ‘authorisation’ has resulted in the frequent and grievous abuse of Scotland, an abuse which is still ongoing.
Both Principals of the Treaty being equally sovereign kingdoms, neither is subject to any authority of the other, and that includes the other Principal’s MPs. Thus the huge numeric superiority of England’s MPs adds literally nothing to their already non-existent authority over Scotland’s MPs. Any majority vote by them is never more than a Yes or No by England, just as any majority vote by Scotland’s MPs is never more than a Yes or No by Scotland. That’s it; there are only two sovereign partners to the Union, so there can only be two votes by them, one each. With only two votes, the only possible majority is two, and both must be in favour for any amendment, Bill or motion, to pass.
It is the differing sovereignties that make England’s size irrelevant, because sovereignty is not measured by size or numbers, it is measured by simply existing or not existing.
The numbers of MPs don’t need to change, they are what they are because the populations they represent are hugely different in size, and that difference is why England has more MPs; it is not because England has more authority than Scotland. What does need to change is how the votes of those MPs are counted, so that the requirements of sovereign recognition are properly and fully met. This is simple; the votes of Scotland’s MPs must be counted separately from the votes of the other MPs. Both sets of votes will return a Yes or a No. For any matter to pass, both those votes must be Yes. If one or both are No, the matter must fail, and be either renegotiated, or dropped altogether. There can be no casting vote. The sole unilateral vote permitted is the vote by one Principal’s MPs to end the Union, a decision that cannot be refused by the other Principal.