The Simple Ruth
On the contentious and topical subject of what constitutes a mandate for a second independence referendum, we’re grateful to the super-alert reader who unearthed this clip from BBC Scotland’s election night coverage of 2011, in which Ruth Davidson gives a candid and blunt explanation of the criteria required:
We’re just going to write that one down for the record.
“You don’t get a referendum for free, you have to earn it. So if the Greens and the SNP – and the SSP or any of the other parties who’ve declared an interest in independence – get over the line and can make a coalition, make a majority, get the votes in the Parliament, then they’ll vote through a referendum, and that’s what democracy’s all about… it’s perfectly simple”
We’d have to say that that sounds pretty unambiguous to us – if you’ve got the votes for it in Parliament you get to do it, no matter what anyone else thinks or what anyone says. We welcome and sincerely salute Ms Davidson’s unqualified commitment to the principles of Parliamentary democracy.
Thank you Ms Davidson. Couldnt have put it better myself
Rev, I salute you and your alert reader. Game,set, and nearly match.
When the verbal snippet of Ruthie wisdom ended up popped a portrait of Peppa Pig.
Just sayin’.
“Responding to the draft bill’s publication, Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson said the Scottish government had “given up on being a government for all of Scotland and is just playing to the SNP choir”.
She added: “The majority of folk don’t want another vote, the majority of people in Scotland don’t want independence, and the SNP should take this off the table.”
Is today’s version of tory democratic waffle. Sponsored by BBC No More Refs Scotland.
Expect her to try and convince us that black is white or any other nonsense to try and wriggle out of her own words.
I just love all these Wings Alert Readers – this one is just a cracker.
Perfectly simple !
Has anybody tweeted that quote to her recently?
Be nice to know what her reply would be.
Internet is a right bastirt, ain’t it Roothie!!
As we know, Ruth gets a lot of tough questioning by the media so I’m sure this will be a regular question for her 😛
Oh, that’ll leave a mark. 😀
Well remembered that reader.
Headshot!
Well done that alert reader!
There is so much video floating around, there are instances where almost every Unionist politician can be found contradicting themselves. Not trivia, or things where a change in position could be explained by changing circumstances, but fundamental constitutional positions which should be consistent.
This is an absolute cracker. The definitive statement on IndyRefs. If a majority can vote it through parliament then that’s democracy. For ONCE, I think we can all agree with Ruth.
She will never be allowed to forget this one.
Thing is though, wee Roothie will jsut say, “There is no mandate for a second IndyRef. No bill has been presented to (Holyrood) parliament and no bill has been passed by the parliament. Thus, presently, there is no mandate. And unitl such time as the Scottish Government get the IndyRef2 Bill through parliament there will be no mandate.”
Or words to that effect.
It’s all about #10 pinging the ball back into the SG’s court.
So the part time leetle tankette and buffalo rider states quite categorically that the people of Scotland do NOT want another vote I can only guess she is not very good at maths then. 😉
As far as I’m aware there are 129 M.S.P’s of which one is the Presiding Officer meaning there are 128 M.S.P’s who “usually” vote. This will need 65 votes to cross wee Ruthie’s line. 😛
In May we ended up with 63 S.N.P. M.S.P.’s just TWO seats short of an overall majority and across wee Ruthie’s line. Now if only we could find some other M.S.P,.’s from somewhere who have been minded to support Scottish independence in the past. Perhaps they might like to consider supporting the S.N.P. in this aim. If only there was such a party though … They must be out there somewhere.
We are not asking much … just TWO M.S.P.’s … so come on Holyrood show us like minded M.S.P.’s! 😀
I can just see the buffalo wrangler saying ‘once in a generation’.
Despite it being blatantly obvious circumstances have changed, she’ll squirm some way out of this evidence of her duplicity, that and her yoonie journo pals won’t provide any decent journalistic integrity by pointing out her contradictory opines of today
“…In May we ended up with 63 S.N.P. M.S.P.’s…”
And the Yoons, between them, only managed 60 seats.
So, even if the Greens abstain, there’s an IndyRef2 majority.
The SNP and Greens have a mandate to combine and pass legislation allowing a referendum, as Ruth says, “simple”.
The objective is to be in a position to call that referendum, if it becomes the only way to protect Scotland’s interests in the EU. Downing Street, and others, are getting ahead of themselves on this. Or are they?
We have no idea of what their Brexit deal will be. It will be the EU who dictate the terms, in reality. Does May et al actually have any idea?
If the deal is soft and within the ESM then there will be no IndyRef2 as a result of Brexit. So, is all the white heat coming from unionists an admission that they expect a hard Brexit and that IndyRef2 will in fact be inevitable?
If they do intend to try to go soft and stay within the ESM then they have nothing to get heet up about.
Re The Launch of the Referendum Bill online at BBC Scotlandhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37708545
Anyone who cares to read the comments for this article might be struck, like myself, after a while , and realise that they all ‘sound’ as if they have been written by the same person – in favour of no to another referendum.
Tip – read the comments quickly, one after the other, without pausing between. The sense of sameness comes quicker.
There hardly a single comment in favour.
The BBC? Reporting panic and desperation across the network.
Superb!
I wonder how the rancid one will try and spin her way out of that one?
Oh you are awful, but I like you! Nudge – and Ruth goes sprawling.
Gold “Alert reader” badge for that spot.
What Ruth meant to say was: “Scotland has a mandate to call a referendum at any time ,but only if we are sure Yes will lose. If there is any chance yes look likely to win then there shouldn’t be another referendum ever”.
The Yoons know the game is up. You can politically fix a referendum once but twice is pretty much impossible.
I am expecting a lot more argument than there was the last time over the Edinburgh agreement consent. The Yoons are setting out there stall. If they refuse then Holyrood goes on strike and an election is called. One which clarifies it’s an independence election.
The parliament has a mandate ….
“The Scottish Green Party has welcomed the government’s newly published draft bill on independence. The Greens argue that the option of an independence vote is needed given the 62 percent Remain vote in Scotland, with the Westminster government refusing to show flexibility in allowing Scotland to forge its own relationship with Europe”
link to greens.scot
Big Jock says:”You can politically fix a referendum once but twice is pretty much impossible.”
I wish I had your confidence, BJ. I’ve read the T&C’s of the referendum bill consultation paper. It indicates that the Scottish Government is perfectly happy with the running of IndyRef14 by the Electoral Commission and intends to repeat the process.
So, a network of Unionist providers will oversee IndyRef2 and everything will again be conducted fairly and honestly to everyone’s satisfaction.
Not mine.
Ah, but we’ve had the referendum since that clip, which was a once in an aeon event never to be repeated under any circumstances, and therefore that’s what democracy’s all about.. it’s perfectly simple.
Or something.
I don’t know what everybody thinks they’re hearing there, I clearly heard her say, Bmaha sbru hbcr hrinb, Absolutely not no mandate, mNHgft HIfcv strbs, Pull the wool over the electorates eyes, nbchud mkiIb dnhr, And I’ve made that perfectly clear..Meerkat!
Is everybody deaf or something
Do you think that there is a possibility of the Tories coming up with a new strategy that keeps us in the EU?
If they think that they will lose Scotland, I think that there is a real possibility of that happening. England just could not survive without Scotland.
It’s going to be a long wait for the announcement of Article 50!
Having just read the Greens response to the bill on Independence, for me, what makes IndyRef2 even more striking, is the fact that it can only be brought forward by two different political parties.
And it is very reassuring to hear Ruth Davidson giving the Conservatives support for the right to do so.
O/T
Who is getting rich, not Scotland that’s for sure.
North Sea Oil Firms Shares Soar After North Sea Find in the Trillions
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That’s the thing, this is not the Greens hanging on to the coat-tails of the SNP. This is their referendum every bit as much as it is the SNPs
I think that will have a significant bearing on the result of IndyRef2.
Would it be possible to get the clip of a Tory Prime Minister, Ted Heath making the comment (when asked by Robin Day on a TV news programme how Scotland would manage if Independent) the answer from Mr Heath was “Perfectly well plenty talented people” this was before the true potential of the North Sea was known. Perhaps the BBC will have a look in their archives!!!!!!.
To be fair, Davidson has always said that blocking a referendum isn’t realistic if there is a majority in the Scottish Parliament.
Even Theresa May has been very careful in her wording.
Just practically speaking, blocking a referendum would look anti-democratic, to the point of treating Scotland like a colony.
It would backfire against the Tories, and lead to a surge in SNP support at the next elections.
I don’t think the SNP wanted a referendum for at least 5 years after the last one, but its pretty clear that the situation has changed drastically, and we are in a new post-Brexit generation.
@ Nana says at 4:26 pm …. ”Who is getting rich, not Scotland that’s for sure. North Sea Oil Firms Shares Soar After North Sea Find in the Trillions.”
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How long is this going to be covered up for? Another for Inform Scotland Billboards?!!
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Ruth Davidson: ”It’s perfectly simple.” Oh well, maybe she should pass that advice, her opinion, on to her perfectly simple boss down south. A wee tweet to Nick Eardley of the BBC wouldn’t go amiss either.
Thanx, Ruth…
Come now you good people our good friend Ruth never lies.
Her recent pronouncements at FMQT on the NHS were not lies as you all know—she was just getting ahead of herself, thought she was already a big girl in a grown up debating chamber somewhere to the South of Hadrians Wall, although I must admit she would not have been allowed to tell such truths in that place, where truth is not part of the day to day scheme of things.
As my late sainted father would have said the great Bobby Burns would have had a word or two for her. He, my father, was very fond of an old Scots word he picked up at his [minor] Public School,–Jennywillocks,– still in use in benighted parts of our beloved country.
@manandboy
Like you I have no faith in the Brit Nat Electoral Commission either.
For me the SNP SG Govt is setting up IndyRef2 to fail if that shower of canutes are left overseeing IndyRef2 and only a quizzer in my view would say that the Electoral Commission was in anyway impartial in the first IndyRef. The first Indy Ref left me with nothing but contempt for that body and a bitter taste in my mouth.
Indy Ref 1 still reeks years after and the reek is that of the Yoons dirty foreign money. That is just one of the problems I have with the Electoral Commission. The stench of something rotten surrounding the PV still assaults my nostrils.
I could go on but I wont. I feel nauseous at the thought the Electoral Commission will be overseeing IndyRef2.
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The latest threat appears to be the HARD BORDER at Gretna, but what they forget is that they are going to be surrounded by hard borders when they exit. It’s a problem of their making, not ours. We can have open border with EU and whatever rUK wants to negotiate with us if we get our independence. I think that’s a better solution by far, rUK will not have a trade embargo on Scotland, that would be preposterous.
@ manandboy says at 4:03 pm …. ‘BBC link.’
I couldn’t get it opened manandboy so I’ll try reposting it for you.
link to bbc.co.uk
@ Onwards. Agreed, given the age demographic of no votes being so high in the over 65’s it would make sense to give it at least few years whilst nature take it’s course.
Seems to be the Tory thing to do these days!
Getting caught in traps of their own making…
Many people who live here and abroad but who voted to remain had much to lose by leaving the UK. That is just a fact. EU citizens voted to remain as did many silver swallows and others resident abroad. Brexit has changed all that and more.
This time I am sure they will vote for indy
I am with those who do not believe that the Brit electoral commission can hold an honest referendum. As a member, I will be communicating that opinion to the SNP and I will be looking for an answer to that and the other concerns people have raised about the conduct of the last indyref.
@ Iain More says at 4:53 pm …. ”manandboy – Like you I have no faith in the Brit Nat Electoral Commission either.
For me the SNP SG Govt is setting up IndyRef2 to fail if that shower of canutes are left overseeing IndyRef2” ….
I don’t have any faith in them either however we should start getting the word out there about not using potentially fraudulant postal votes (another for the billboard nearer the time?). Twenty percent of voters seemingly used postal votes.
Additionally will the SNP change the electoral franchise this time round such as clamping down on second home owners, no vote for non-Scottish students, having to have resided here for at least 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 years or more. One year at least as that would cut out the individuals who trotted up here and rented an apartment over the summer holidays. September 18th must have suited many of them, especially students, very well indeed. And of course we MUST have exit polls next time round.
Oh no, and there’s me telling everyone I know not to believe anything the Ruthenfuhrer says as she’s a lying bastirt 🙂
Nana @4.26 southern North sea normally means the gas fields off Gt Yarmouth!
I just checked and indeed it’s actually in English waters
arthur thomson, good for you, I know I for one would be very interested in the outcome of your enquiry.
You are wrong, dear Reverend.
She never said that.
She never said that.
She never said that.
She never said that.
She never said that.
Repeat after me.
She never said that.
She never said that.
The BBC is to be trusted above all, and she never said that.
The BBC say she never said that.
Bob Mack @ 5.03 pm
If you are referring to the EU referendum when you say EU citizens living here voted to Remain then it is my understanding that EU citizens living in the UK were not allowed to vote in the EU Referendum
For the the next referendum. I have my reservations about allowing postal voting. Not convinced that it can’t be manipulated.
link to bbc.co.uk
Comments? On a Scottish Politics article on the BBC? How did that happen? Someone will be getting their jotters.
@Legerwood,
No ,I refer to the 2014 referendum where many were resident in Scotland. I have also recently talked to several families with elderly parents residing abroad who are now fearful of Brexit having settled in Europe. They are telling their children to support indy . Funny how events can turn your whole philosophy .
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Such is my level of cynicism of Westminster and UK business types that I’ll believe the reality of this great new gas field in southern N Sea waters, post Brexit, as the gas flows. I’d reckon the southern N Sea has been surveyed extensively over the years, but then since Cluff of – Firth of Forth retreat – has made the discovery, the gas may well extraction by fracking or coal bed ignition.
The news however will surely cheer up the Leavers.
Re my last post
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Brilliant! There are so many backward somersaults by Ruth Davidson it’s difficult to keep track of them all… but that’s a gem!
Meanwhile, the Labour party, failing to grasp just how significantly politics have changed, especially in England, still prefer Scotland to be taken out of the EU against our will, rather than take control of our own affairs.
Labour are as of today, even more irrelevant in Scotland.
Nana at 556pm,
informscotland.com is excellent, and their plan for billboards, exposing the blatant BBC bias against Scotland, is a superb idea.
The funding campaign page is at;
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If you can spare a few pounds, then this is one campaign worth supporting. Both Prof. John Robertson and Ponsonby are directly involved, so we can expect it to be done well. Please keep posting the funding link.
Right, thats me spent an hour putting that Davidson quote all over Davidson’s facebook pages…
Boy is she obsessed.
Almost every single of the leading 20/25 posts made in her name are about stopping the indyref.
Her quote from here is now over every single one of them.
Great ammunition. Cheers Stu.
Just because an MSP is opposed to Independence isn’t a reason to vote against a referendum.
The weird thing about Ruth is she says it would be a mistake for Theresa May to block a 2nd IndyRef yet she & her party are prepared to vote against a 2nd IndyRef in the hope of blocking it!
Any Tory policy that doesn’t go down well in Scotland Ruth Davidson just says she is against it. You’ve got to ask why she is in the Tory Party.
I’ll bet all Ruth Davidson will say is she doesn’t agree with Theresa May!
@Robert Louis
@Nana
Agreed! Great idea.
Also, I like the way they take you to other top quality sources of impartial information 🙂
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@One_Scot
Indeed. I liked Patrick Harvie’s article in The National before the Holyrood Elections. I too wanted an overall SNP majority as the safer route to Indy Ref 2, but the advantage the other way was the diversity of the Green case, and greater authority for them with more MSPs. Harvie:
“Secondly, let us ensure that this new independence case is as broad and inclusive as it can be. Part of this of course is about non-SNP parties – including the constructive role the Greens can play – but it goes way beyond parties alone. The Yes campaign often managed to achieve this… but not always. The closer the referendum drew the more a “don’t rock the boat” mood developed. Independence is supposed to be about rocking the boat! It’s an inherently radical idea and we should be proud to say so.
As we build this new case for independence we should be more than relaxed about the broad, multi-party democracy which exists in Scotland; we should recognise that it is the very source of strength that we need.”
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From the Guardian
Dugdale has also written to the Scottish parliament’s presiding officer, Ken Macintosh, asking for clarification over how the SNP’s plans will be examined, arguing that the SNP is trying to dodge scrutiny by publishing the consultation during parliamentary recess.
It’s a consultation document, Kezia. It’s not like they are trying to sneak it through parliament or anything. Soundbite politics, how are ye.
How IndyRef2 will be set up – a consultation. This could be very important indeed, so please, make sure you’re views are known to the right people.
https://consult.scotland.gov.uk
link to consult.scotland.gov.uk
Featured Consultation: Consultation on a Draft Referendum Bill
This consultation invites views on the proposals for how the referendum would be run. A draft Scottish Independence Referendum bill is set out as an appendix to the document.
Consultation ends in 83 days (11/01/2017)
Yes, looking at that SNP page about the ref consultation, it does look as though they’ve been taking lessons from Wings – and using the media, using the media, using the media, f*kemall.
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Bob Mack
Your use of the word ‘remain’ was confusing bit since it is so closely associated now with the EU referendum.
Thank you for the clarification.
Paul D says:
20 October, 2016 at 5:47 pm
link to bbc.co.uk
Comments? On a Scottish Politics article on the BBC? How did that happen? Someone will be getting their jotters.
Ruby replies
Yes there are comments but they are about as worth reading as the comments on The Scotsman & Herald.
The article is not much better! These Unonists politicians just keep repeating the same old stuff
Ruth: Majority don’t want referendum. UK trade worth ten times more than EU trade. My remain vote not a vote for independence!
Kezia: SNP should be concentration of education & healthcare not seeking fresh divisions. Once in a generation promise! Scotland doesn’t want 2nd IndyRef.
Willie: education & health blah! blah! It’s clear SNP want independence!!!
@manandboy
Done. I asked for an exit poll. Couldn’t see where to put it, so I put it on Q2.
If the SNP said they didn’t want an indepednence referendum would the unionist parties insist on holding one?
Just made a small donation to the billboard campaign this is something I think can really make a difference, I’d love to see this go way over target
Graeme
Most of the comments on the BBC article seem to be from very angry Englishmen. I can’t figure out why they are so keen to keep Scotland which they claim they subsidise in the Union. ‘What are advantages for England in having Scotland in the Union?’ Perhaps that question could go on a billboard.
One of the comments says:
‘Yes = independence and No EU membership and No = remain as part of the UK and trade around the world and be prosperous.’
What would prevent iScotland from trading around the world. We make pretty good biscuits. Everyone loves shortbread! Jam we can do that too ‘Dundee marmalade’ is the best in the world. We don’t grow tea but we do make a very popular alcoholic drink.
looks like the Scotsman comments page has just acquired a BBC logo dont go there .usual pish and pretty ill informed pish at that , its amusing how many people still believe in the tooth fairy .
yesindyref2 says:
20 October, 2016 at 6:44 pm
@manandboy
Done. I asked for an exit poll. Couldn’t see where to put it, so I put it on Q2.
Essential, yesindyref2, and do you know what, with such a huge number of postal votes, I would argue not only for an ‘exit poll’ for them, however that could be organised, but also for a strict audit of postal voting.
I will also be requesting/campaigning for strict auditing of spare ballot papers. In IndyRef14, you may recall, 800,000 spares were printed, but never heard of again. It is a coincidence that this number was close to the number of postal votes if my memory serves me correctly.
The truth is yir2, that anyone wishing to have a safe and secure result, would build into the process all the checks and safeguards necessary. In contrast, in IndyRef14, so many safety measures were missed or left out, or left unchecked, or unaudited.
The very idea of the Referendum being under the near complete control of the Unionist National and local government and not even a cough from the SNP, beggars belief.
Maybe next time. If the Scottish Government does not deliver a secure, reliable referendum next time, then there must be personnel changes starting from the very top.
@ Paul D at 5:47pm … BBC comments section.’
Looks as though the BBC is heading down the same route as The Express Paul by affording so many people a platform to post such divisive comments …. SNP Scots hate the English and so on. Exactly what they knew would happen and exactly what they wanted to happen. They’re an absolute disgrace and have reached an all time low, imo.
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Become a MEMBER of INFORM SCOTLAND for £10 a year. WELL worth it as it’s one of the few sites in Scotland (the UK?) that’s actively opposing the BBC’s blatant bias. Check out the list of contributors. Very impressive.
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Ruth Davidson: “Nicloa Sturgeon should get on with the day job of running Scotland”
Nicola Sturgeon: “But that’s a part-time job as we only have part-time powers. Can I put you down as a YES to Independence so I can have a full-time day job? Thanks.”.
Ruby says:
While I think all the economic arguments about oil backing up the pound, Scotland’s exports, etc are important, I think for many down south it’s a much more primitive reaction we see.
IMO prestige, status, standing, authority, entitlement, etc are probably very important. They fear the the last vestige of their Empire slipping away. Their Greater England is destined to become Little England, and they don’t relish that thought.
Sometimes the reality comes out in the language as they say ‘lose Scotland’. Scotland is not theirs ‘to lose’, but they don’t quite see it that way.
That’s the emotive side. However in practical terms rUK loses most of the UK’s sea bed and coast line. Strategically they lose a vast chunk of the North Atlantic. Their top table nukes will probably have to be decommissioned. Their seat on the UN Security Council will be challenged.
And all this when they lose their power and influence in the EU, and their economy is likely to nosedive.
rUK is destined to be a much diminished wee corner of the planet, and they don’t like it.
Never thought I would say this but I agree with Ruth
🙂
If the draft bill is voted on and it goes through then it will take place. It is all perfectly simple.
@ Nana at 6:36pm …… “I just want to say the billboard project is thanks to Cadogan, Simon and Cherry ….”
What happened to Scunterbunnet Nana (and the other people on the original team?)
Scunterbunnet? Is that Simon?
Ruby says:
Actually we do. High in the Perthshire hills. I haven’t tasted it, though. 🙂
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@ Manandboy
Went to consultation page but went above my head after question 3.
Why does England want Scotland in the UK? Why wouldn’t they? We have the land they want to use as their playground, space to breathe but also to dump anything they do not want. We allow them to indulge in quaint fantasies about lovely landscapes and loyal subjects as the Royals troop up for their summer sojourn. Our coastline is strategically essential to them to play at being important.
We have resources but not the infrastructure so we cannot exploit them fully. We have to rely on them so we will always be poor in relation to them. To do otherwise would let the genie out the bottle.
Fundamentally though,they think we are just like them and obviously in many ways we are but increasingly our views and attitudes are not. This is why I believe it is so hard for them to understand. We just don’t want the same things anymore.
@Nana
Well done to you and the hubby and all the others involved in putting together the Inform Scotland website, it looks very professional and I was imressed.
Just made my contribution, maybe if they’d held off for a week or so until everyone gets paid their target might have been rached very quickly. I belive in this project and am certain that this initial (I hope it is initial) target will be reached.
Many Yoons jaws will be dropping at the “affrontary” of ordinary Scots and others (Cadogan) to take on the might of the state and it’s chief propagandist the BBC.
I’m looking forward to seeing my first ever attack on the disgusting Mis-Reporting Scotland in giant letters on a city billboard near you soon. Some presenters might need new nose jobs after seeing one as their noses will be put well out of joint.
Ruby says:
We don’t grow tea
Actually we do. High in the Perthshire hills. I haven’t tasted it, though. ?
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Ruby replies
We’ll that’s great we can offer the full Scottish afternoon tea and we can even throw in some fine Scottish Smoked Salmon triangles!
I think we’ll do really well trading around the world we could perhaps also offer the full Scottish dinner!
Langoustines, Scottish Beef or Lamb with Cranachan & shortbread for dessert, a nice ‘digestif’ of Drambuie or maybe a nice Gaelic Coffee.
PS Do we grow coffee?
Pity the Scottish elections weren’t post brexit.
ScottishPsyche 7.46
As I pointed out last night somewhere, the Scots and the English don’t even have the same attitude towards windfarms!
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Good to have her onboard I guess.
Sleekit bitch she is
Struth, Ruth, it came oot your mooth!
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And these just in fae Nana, tig, you’re het, pass it oan!
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Why doesn’t Ruth Davidson get on with her day job as a self publicising glory seeker who has managed to appear on TV and fill column inches every day advising the SNP Government to get on with their day job, which, as we all know is to fight tooth and nail against Ruth Davidson’s Party who continue to punish ‘ordinary working families’ of Scotland, impoverishing our disabled, exploiting our institutionally marginalised low paid low skilled , zero hours ephemeral workforce, who will slam the European doors shut in our faces, and confine us Scots to a USSR closed state run by a Right Wing Fascist Oligarchy in England, if we just stand by and let Jackson Carlaw, WATP Professor Tomkins, and The Queen’s Eleven Murdo Fraser, members of a party which was soundly thrashed in the SGE this May, ignore the overwhelming democratic will of the people of Scotland.
Nicola Sturgeon is doing the day job all right, Ms Strictly, stopping you and your privileged elite driving Scotland into colonial servitude, cut off from the rest of Europe, and indeed the world,at the beck and call of the Blue Tory Branch Office and their English handlers.
Better Together has reformed. STV news tonight featured Davidson, then Dugdale, then that LD chap Cole-Hamilton (?) for the No vote, then Harvie for the Yes side. 3 to 1, giving the impression that this reflects the mood of the country.
Ah, the MSM. Whit ur they like?
The Road is long, with many a winding turn.
Blue Red and Yellow Tories, arm and arm, fighting to drive Scotland into USSR style isolation.
Not this time, my friends.
@ Ruby …. “Do we grow coffee.”
Ha, ha, ha. I know Scotland is rich in resources but your pushing your luck now Ruby. We’ve got plenty of oil right enough and it’s a similar colour.
re the BBC comments and some comments above about England’s attitude to Scotland: having a fair level of familiarity with the relationship between Russia and Ukraine, I’d say the sentiments are remarkably similar. Ukraine is a part of Russia’s sense of itself. Ukrainians are viewed as being the same, though slightly rougher, like less cultured cousins from a village. Ukraine should never have been an independent country they think. To some extent there is truth in these sentiments. The countries have long historical ties (their existence as separate states or nations is much shorter and less clear than with England and Scotland). But, and this is the key point, what they don’t realise is that the relationship has got worse and worse – they’ve grown apart – and now many of those who, in the past, saw themselves as being the same as Russians, are now becoming fiercly Ukrainian. I can identify with this. Maybe if Maggie hadn’t happened, I would not be so determined to separate our countries. England and Scotland have definitely grown apart in my mind.
This article from 2012, picked up from Rev’s twitter feed, says much more eloquently what I have been saying since the talk of the first indy referendum. That is, a referendum is just asking a question, the notion it can somehow be ‘illegal’ or forbidden by Westminster is utter hogwash of the very highest order.
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Meanwhile, I now know we grow tea (TEA!!) in Scotland.
@ manandboy at 6:30pm …. ‘Indyref consultation form’.
Thanks for that manandboy. I filled in the form and made sure that I mentioned exit polls, 2nd home owners, students, short term migrant workers and term of residency. If anyone else is filling it in you need to cram in your points in the first couple of boxes. In saying that there is a back button but it’s a pain in the neck.
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@ Jack Collatin at 8:21pm ….Ruth Davidson.’
Great post Jack and I bet you’re glad you got that off your chest!
One of the things that really, really annoys me is the more recent mantra of “Nicola Sturgeon should get on with the day job” …. everything’s falling to wrack (right spelling?) and ruin.
She, Dugdale and Willie are doing absolutely nought for anyone: Not even their constituents as they have assistants dealing with that, following the wee tête-à-tête. They sit in Holyrood griping from the sidelines and never have anything constructive to offer for the betterment of the Scots at all. Then wee Ruth’s party hits us all with a bombshell and Nicola has to add that, dealing with Brexit, to her already massive workload. They’ve got some brass neck and wouldn’t last for 5 minutes as First Minister.
Get back to the day job they squeek, start running the country they complain, Scotlands education system is falling apart they girn….and yet
MSN research says top 10 places to live in Britain are
East Renfrewshire numero uno for Education and business in Britain
East Dunbartonshire numero dos for education in Britain
They even sent me this information as an email so really that’s numero shit for brains as a propaganda arm of UK Guv
I put this over on off topic earlier to day.Petra Scunterbunnet
dropped out last year and we three have been working together since the beginning…we’re all very hopeful it will be a success
Thank you to Nana and Norman for their help it’s been a very hectic few weeks…but we won’t be finished until the people of Scotland know the truth and are free to build an Independent Scotland to be proud of.Thanks to everyone who has very kindly donated today…LET’S DO IT!
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Cherry, Cadogan and Simon
Great article as usual. I would like to fund the billboards, but I am unhappy that I can’t use PayPal, which I believe GoFundMe doesn’t support. Is there any way round this?
@Cherry
It’s great.
But (you knew one was coming), couldn’t there also be a line on the billboard. something like “Listen or watch them very carefully or visit …”
Something like that.
There again “mis-reporting Scotland” on its own might alert them and make them aware, it did to a pal of mine – he paid more attention after I pointed it out to him.
Don’t know though, simple is always best. It sticks.
For those upset at the consultation paper giving the Electoral Commission their role, make sure you respond with your concerns and ideas. That’s the point of a consultation. I’m also going to mention exit polls and possibility of exclusion of holiday homers.
@movey at 9.21
PayPal can be done at http://www.informscotland.com -see ‘donate’
Loads of PayPal donations received so far
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While I think it is pretty obvious that a lot of yes 2014 voter’s don’t trust either the postal votes and the electoral commission, so aye something different needs to be organised.
But if Holyrood put a different set of arrangements in place.
We would need to be very aware that the no voter’s would be just as suspicious of them,and they would be encouraged to be so.
Probably even before the vote took place.
The BBC would probably do a documentary about it.
We I think, have to be prepared that ,just like with Brexit, the period between the Yes vote and Independence will be the optimum time to create a demand to reverse it.
If we look at project fear for Indy Ref 1,as we have said ourselves every threat , happened anyway.
They must have come up with which threats to use because this stuff was in the pipeline.
That could have created a demand to reverse the vote at best.
But at worse it also could have fed an angry protest.
I won’t insult everyone’s intelligence by elaborating what I mean.
So I think we need to put our thinking caps on to head off,what it seems to me to be if not an obvious tactic of the British state after a Yes vote at least,to coin a phrase a highly likely one.
Maybe Joanne and/or Cadogen could give us some input on how we could mitigate some of these issues.
So that we can put the best solutions possible to the consultation?
We have to be as mindful of the period just after the vote,as the vote it’s self if it is to be successful.
For those of you filling in the consultation please, please remember to remind them if we have to use the EC that we would like to have the ballots counted at the polling stations in front of witnesses from both sides and not have ballot boxes sent into the night as was the case last time.
Exit polls are also a must for any free and fair election.
Also monitoring of traffic at the border to keep a count of any unusual volumes of coaches heading into Scotland during the weeks leading up to the vote. This could be done with cameras.
Have the vote outwith the tourist season.
@Nana
Superb Nana. 🙂
Site looks great.
Inform Scotland.
Contributed, best of luck with the funding.
OT ‘Russian warships heading for the UK ‘ on my MSN news attributed to the Independent -I nip over to the newspaper site and there is no article.
I search for ‘Russian ships’ and I get ‘permission denied. I put Adam Lusher the journalists name in search and get ‘Permission denied”
Can anyone give me an acceptable explanation of this – or try and follow the article just to see if they get the same message.
In the undemocratic UK parliament, the Tories have a majority of MPs who can force through legislation.
In the democratic Scottish parliament, the SNP do not currently have a majority to force through legislation.
The SNP have the mandate to try and carry out their policies as a minority government but they have to rely on the support of others to pass legislation.
If and when the Scottish parliament votes for it, Nicola will have a mandate to hold a referendum, assuming that Westminster does not have the power to block one.
At the moment, unfortunately, the SNP do not have the mandate to HOLD a referendum.
As in their first term when they had to abandon their policy because the unionists would not have let it pass.
But this time they would expect the Greens to back them and provide a majority.
Anybody know how long the billboard campaign is to run ?
Graeme
informscotland
Great work on the site and plans for billboards. A few quid donated to the cause.
btw Yanis Varoufakis on qt tonight. Might be interesting.
National front page. Spot on ….
link to mobile.twitter.com
“Where’s your mandate, Prime Minister?”
Not sure if this has been posted before, but it is the form to allow you to suggest ways to improve the running of IndyRef2. I have suggested some things about monitoring the referendum and postal voting.
I don’t now how long it will run for but it you have an opinion, I would recommend filling it in.
link to consult.scotland.gov.uk
Could the SG restrict the vote to people with a Scottish tax code? That would weed out holiday home owners and others with only a fleeting residency.
But what is the position of students normally resident here who have never had a job.
I’m thinking of my 17-year-old grand-daughter who has a NI number but has never worked.
I also wonder how many OAPs don’t pay tax.
Nana, Cherry, Cadogan et al
Brilliant work- I cannot wait to see those billboards! Will bung in what I can when I can.
@Dorothy Devine
Don’t know about that, but it’s open news about the Russian fleet – it is international waters in teh Channel, and it has happened before.
“Russian warships including an aircraft carrier are due to enter UK territorial waters some time on Friday morning.
The Independent has been told that if the Russian task force including the aircraft carrier the Admiral Kuznetsov maintains its current speed, it should leave the North Sea and enter the Channel before noon on Friday.”
RN has a destroyer and a frigate to escort it through. But it will be well covered, hope nobody has an itchy finger.
Dorothy @ 10.07pm
link to msn.com
This came up first time on my search.
@Rock
Yes, and Harvie has already said the Greens will be supporting the Referendum Bill. From the Scottish Green Party’s website@
Westminster would be “foolish” to block indyref bill say Greens
“20 October, 2016 – 14:49
The Scottish Green Party has welcomed the government’s newly published draft bill on independence. The Greens argue that the option of an independence vote is needed given the 62 percent Remain vote in Scotland, with the Westminster government refusing to show flexibility in allowing Scotland to forge its own relationship with Europe.
Scottish Greens played a prominent role in the 2014 independence referendum and also backed a remain vote in 2016. The party’s co-convener said it would be “foolish” for the Westminster government to block a fresh independence referendum.”
It’s very clear that before Sturgeon announced this at the Conference, and before that when first announced, she and the SNP have talked to Patrick Harvie and the Greens, and agreement has been reached. As expected.
Donation to informscotland sent.
Lets do this folks.
@ Petra 9.10
I refuse to live in a country, the UK. which spends billions on WMD, and punishes our poorest for the crimes, and they were crimes punishable by imprisonment in my view, of the Filthy Rich Bankers and speculators. We should be building houses, improving our transport system, investing heavily in renewable energy, especially hydro, wave, and solar, giving every child a World class free at the point of delivery education, investing in growing our economy, och, I could go on; it has been discussed on here and many non main stream media outlets.
Bairns not bombs. Self Determination for Scotland.
Ruth Davidson believes in a hierarchy, of the Establishment, the rich, and the privileged at the top, and a dog eat dog rat race neo liberal middle class acting as a buffer between the top 1% and the Great Unwashed, whom the Red Blue and Yellow Tories consistently ensure through WM social engineering will always be an Underclass, the have nots, and while the rich get richer and richer, the Hoi Polloi will remain stomped upon by Strictly Ruth, and kept in modern day serfdom.
Dugdale and Rennie (or has Cole Hamilton taken over as LD leader yet, because he is about to ) are sell outs. They are neo conservative Blairites.
Our time has come at last.
We have no alternative now. I am a European, I will not allow Mundell and Davidson, who have absolutely no mandate Up Here, to pull an iron curtain around Scotland and cut us off from our European friends, allies, and neighbours.
They are beneath contempt.
link to caltonjock.com
Scotland produces enough food and drink to more than sustain its present population. It is called a food secure status.
If there were a complete suspension of international trade for some reason, Scots would not go hungry, although they may have to give up some more exotic items for the duration.
On the other hand, England has a food insecure status. They need to import about half of what they need. In a similar scenario, there would be famine and food riots down South.
Sadly, such a scenario is less unthinkable now than it was just 5 years ago and indeed, increasingly easy to imagine.
@Jack Collatin
Enjoy this: link to snp.org
Mundell gets to be mentioned twice. He’s a useful tool in the box. Not as sharp as a chisel, not as hard-hitting as a hammer, or as gripping as a pair of pliers, more like the blob of blue tack you casually use to hold the nail in place as you hit it a mighty two-handed swipe with the hammer. And if that don’t work, use a bigger hammer!
@Jack Collatin (10.44) –
Hear hear.
🙂
It’s like being a primary school, you get in a lunchtime scrap…
‘I’ll get you at three!’
The afternoon feels like a lifetime, but then the bell goes, you head for the appointed place, and before you know it, win or lose, it’s all over.
The bell’s awfy near now, eh?
Well Fat Boab Davidson is really getting on with her job of
RUINING Scotland.
Does this latest catch on her Fundamentals of Democracy give her a Full House of either contradicting every word she has ever spoken, or has been caught telling downright lies.
If her beloved BBC Propaganda Channel is to have her appear
on the England and Local Colonies Bake Off, can I recommend
the Eton Mess and the Tory Tart.
So many Etonians have made a mess of this country, and Edwina hasn’t been on the telly for quite some time.
Some of the Fruitcakes in her Party might pop in for a finally.
What a surprising day!! Didn’t expect our website to be outed before it was finished, so it came as a bit of a surprise to Simon when he saw we had donations!
Both Cadogan and Simon were calm and business like….however I’d had a major kitchen disaster when my over sink tap thingy burst and the water was hitting the ceiling. So when I started receiving email after email from them asking me to send thank you emails…well I couldn’t have a shower no water, so I was completely off guard and became a raving loony! That said it’s all calm now, people are donating we are nearly £2600 yaaaayyy!!
Thank you people of Scotland you’re wonderful. Keep donating we need many many billboards to get this message out there.
Yesindyref2 this first billboard has evolved from Proud Cybernat’s sticker campaign, we’ve kept it simple but the message is there. People we hope will question it then maybe come visit
http://www.informscotland.com to have a looksee at what they are not reading or hearing in their media. Some folks may have never read one of Stuart’s wonderful articles, they can feel safe in the knowledge that we are not mad vile cybernats err.. emm..well we are nice!
So well done guys give yourselves a wee pat on the back…canny wait for our billboards to subtly tell them we are here and we are NOT GOING BACK IN OUR BOX.. http://www.informscotland.com
Scotland 2016 tonight.
Again, we are fed sweeping statements from the Cons. Scots are fed up of referendums, they don’t want a referendum on independence, etc. Where the HELL do they get that information. If they have a secret way of contacting the vast majority of the population, please let us know.
yesindyref2,
“It’s very clear that before Sturgeon announced this at the Conference, and before that when first announced, she and the SNP have talked to Patrick Harvie and the Greens, and agreement has been reached. As expected.”
Let us hope so.
But as I pointed out to Robert Peffers a few days ago, there will be a mandate for a referendum only after a majority vote in parliament. There isn’t one at the moment.
Just a wee reminder folks, there are some great people who we all know, like G A ponsonby involved with the new site informscotland.com, which is aiming to tackle the BBC head on. They are looking for funds to place billboards across Scotland exposing the misinformation by the BBC.
Well worth a punt, if you ask me, since the propangadist BBC does need tackled.
link to informscotland.com
Funding page at link to gofundme.com
This is a great well organised chance to do something about our national state propagandists at the BBC.
@Rock
I’m sure you really are a lovely guy, just a wee bit grumpy at times 🙂
I just saw Yanis Varoufakis on question time seems to be the most real, the other people on the pannel are a set of idiots appart from Angela Ryner tryed to point out job loss I think the uk is f***ed indy2 is the only way to stop Scotland being dragged into a hell hole.
Ruth wants to have her cake and eat it (obv.).
Unfortunately, it is only half baked.
2016 The young laddie from the Greens was excellent and I don’t vote Green but the boy done good slicing up the no argument Tory twit
Question time, It’s really just best not to look because they dig up the same walking brain dead audiences they find here in Scotland when they go on a Yoon hunt, the level of intelligence is limbo dancing low, Yoon and Brexit types seem to think nobody should be entitled to an opinion no matter what the circumstances and just get on with being part of the zombie holocaust
The only one with a brain was a young girl who wasn’t old enough to vote
Says it all really
Jack Collatin:
Jack have you been reading my mail again? 🙂
Peace Always
For fellow non-telly watchers who may not know this – BBC QT is simultaneously broadcast on Radio 5 Live.
*This comment is not an endorsement*
QT tonight. It’s come to something when Ken Clark proves to be the voice of reason in political discussion.
YF was intellectually head and shoulders above the lot of them though.
Don’t think I have the stomach to watch anymore English politics. That country has descended into a dangerous farce.
Last time round the establishment used “Big data” against us. I think these consultations are an attempt to gauge feelings out there and have this in storage ready to use at our disposal against the current Government.
I’ve been thinking also. Who’s going to be the face of the next better together campaign? Darling won’t do it .. he was replaced because he was making an arse of it. Brown has sold himself short and not a soul would buy into his nonsense now. Would it be wee Ruth? They seem to think that she’s popular so in that case then it’s Game Set and Match in my opinion!
@ Still Positive
There are plenty of people who won’t pay Income Tax because their income is below the Personal Allowance; whether they have a Scottish tax code will depend on their employment history.
They’ll all be paying lots of other taxes though!
Until I checked for the purposes of writing this post, I believed the 2 letters at the start of National Insurance numbers were related to where the number was issued (which happens to be plausible in the case of my own NI number). But I was wrong; HMRC does vary the letters they use, but certain pairs are used for a while before they move on to other pairs as necessary, so that wouldn’t help.
Ian Brotherhood says:
20 October, 2016 at 11:38 pm
For fellow non-telly watchers who may not know this – BBC QT is simultaneously broadcast on Radio 5 Live.
*This comment is not an endorsement*
Ruby replies
Is that something new? I thought they just did Question Time Extra.
I just tuned into Question Time extra to hear a woman say
‘The reason we voted for Brexit was because of illegal immigration’
I immediately cut off and decided the prog wasn’t worth listening to.
@ Proud Cybernat
Did you manage to find a home for the duds? I thought the idea of giving them to some budding artist was a good one.
Some time ago i seen a bit of art, can’t remember where, but it was very powerful and brave.
It was a head portrait made up of thousands of tiny pictures of childrens faces and the further you stood away from the piece the clearer the subject became.
Or if you stood back from the piece you could very clearly see who the monster was but as you moved ever closer to the piece the monster disintegrated into thousands of pictures of children.
The monster was Myra Hindley and it was one of the most powerful pieces of artwork i’ve ever witnessed.
Perhaps you could get something similar done using your dud stickers and the BBC logo? Then raffle it off or auction it on ebay or something and put the proceeds into 1 or 2 indy projects of your choosing.
Just a thought!
Great find! Can’t wait for Ruthie to be asked about this in her next t.v. interview!
Ah well, who needs a big mac meal go large chocolate milkshake anyway. £5 on its way soon to GIRFUT BBC via son’s internet banking. Over 33% now.
Donated to informscotland. Hope it really takes off.
What I would love to see is as soon as a ludicrous or dubious statement is made on BBC Scotland that the billboards could refute it. Not possible with posters but a big electronic billboard as you pull out of Queen Street Station or halfway along the M8 ( just opposite raging Kev’s warehouse)!
A pointer to alternative info is good enough to get started though.
G4jeepers says:
20 October, 2016 at 9:37 pm
For those of you filling in the consultation please, please remember to remind them if we have to use the EC that we would like to have the ballots counted at the polling stations in front of witnesses from both sides and not have ballot boxes sent into the night as was the case last time.
Ruby replies
You would think in this digital age there would be something more up to date than people marking a cross on a piece of paper with a pencil and then having people count all these pieces of paper.
Surely there must be a way to computerise the voting!
@Ruby
Been listening earlier, still listening now to some nutters arguing that the UK is a world power etc… and shouting down each other and the two presenters up to now have never let a reasonable person make their point. It’s a shambles… 🙂
ex-pats suffering in foreign European parts layoffs & pensions down possible charges for health treatment and so it goes.
Oh Trump now that’s me had enough.
FGS! Lets get out of this mad house asap!
crazycat @ 12.07
There must be something we can do to keep the holiday homers out of the next ref.
Sometimes I despair.
Great work with the billboards guys. Donated and hoping to see them soon. Thanks for all your hard work.
@ Cherry says at 9:13 pm …. ”I put this over on off topic earlier to day.
Petra, Scunterbunnet dropped out last year and we three (Myself, Cadogan and Simon) have been working together since the beginning … we’re all very hopeful it will be a success.’
Well I must say that it came as a bit of a surprise to me yesterday Cherry when Nana posted about Inform Scotland, in fact I was TOTALLY gobsmacked, as I thought that Inform Scotland was going to get off the ground in the summer of 2015 and was in fact no more. End of Inform Scotland.
A group to counteract media bias and lies by using billboards was initially formed by Scunterbunnet in June of 2015 and the interested parties at that time were Lollysmum, Daisy Walker, Kennedy, jimboscotto, I Clark, frogesque, Jimbo, liz g, Brian, Hazel, jcd, Simoh, Puzzled Puss, Stoker, marydoll, Simoh, The moidart, nodrog, xsticks, fmnicholson2015, Tackety Beets, gerry parker, scotspine, Capella, Boorach, ms cloudy, Cameron Brodie, jdman, mcccat88 and myself. Taking a look at my notes I see that you, Cherry, sent two communications to Scunterbunnet during that time to register your interest.
Scunterbunnet was absolutely enthused with the idea of using billboards to combat media lies and bias and worked his veritable butt off to that end. The aforementioned people came forward and were more than willing to put money up front, most were very keen to volunteer, there was a great deal of excitement, LOADS of GREAT ideas spinning around, legalities covered by Hazel, mention of linking to other groups and requests for a name. I proposed the name Inform Scotland which was accepted. A twitter account was set up and Scunterbunnet outlined a constitution, mission statement, proposed the setting up of a bank account and a website named http://www.inform-scotland.org
Well that’s all by the way now. We dearly wanted Inform Scotland to get off the ground to combat the media bias and lies and we’ve got it now.
However I’m posting this because I want to set the record straight and I don’t want Scunterbunnet to be forgotten. I don’t know what happened to him as at a point in time we didn’t hear from him at all and reckoned that ‘Inform Scotland’ had folded up. Seems that wasn’t the case at all. Maybe he’ll venture on here sometime or another to let us all know what happened to his ‘baby’. And out of interest was anyone else on the initial ‘board of interested parties’ notified that Inform Scotland was going ahead? I know that I wasn’t.
Anyway Cherry I’ll back Inform Scotland 100% and ask others to do likewise. It was a great idea then as it is now.
We’re all in this together with one aim in mind and that is to pull together and win Indyref2.
@Ruby & Call me Dave –
I don’t know how long Five Live has been doing this ‘simulcast’ with BBCQT, but it’s obviously not ‘live’. QT has always been recorded earlier in the evening so far as I know.
Then this strange phone-in with Steven Nolan afterwards, although the QT ‘extra’ chunk is, presumably, in-the-can and ready for broadcast on R4 tomorrow? Or is it Sunday?
Fucked if I know how/why it’s done as it is, but the ‘live’ phone-in on 5-Live is just mentally mental mentalness, the radio equivalent of cage-fighting.
Ach, fuck the whole lot of them. Sooner the BBC disappears down its own Memory Hole the better.
All the more reason to support this:
link to gofundme.com
Brian Spanner Tweets, The only way to protect Scotland is to have these nationalists anaesthetised.
This would be the nationalists like himself and those which dominate Question Time audiences every week, I presume?
Those are the right wing blood and soil nationalists which are a clear and present danger to Scotland, are they not?
@galamcennalath
Good Heavens, Brian Spanner is offering to buy us all a drink!
@ Still Positive
I mentioned the problem with holiday homers in my response to the consultation – didn’t suggest an explicit solution, though.
It might get them thinking about it, at least.
My sounds were half out man, and now I found another jack splitter all is cool and dudey with the world
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
Well, boys will be boys
Ooops, wrong thread 😳
Reading The National that explains the timing, I should have thought of that.
Well AS told us this in 2014 but the Unionists told us we couldn’t but it’s quite helpful of Mundell to admit it now. 🙂
Scottish Government could pay benefits to older Scots earlier, suggests David Mundell
link to archive.is
Hark! The Herald with a sabre rattling story…maybe/could but they like to look for the wee cracks to drive a wedge in.
Too much upbeat news around and up with that they will not put!
Greens could withdraw support from the SNP without ‘real change’
link to archive.is
Maybe Treezamay has a mandate for an english referendum.
Given the general consensus on QT, the question should read:
“Are you fed up subsidising the Jocks?”
If the majority of anglo saxons are so thick that they believe the words of the express and mail, that should do it!
Indyref2 @10.58 pm
ian Brotherhood @ 11.01 pm
smallaxe @ 11.30 pm 20/10/16
The only ‘tool’ the Right Wing Brit Fascists are using is Spanner, JK Rowling’s Court Jester, and smutty heavy breather of this parish.
Ah’ll haud the jaickits, Ian, when you square up to Mundell the Michty efter skool.
smallaxe, they’ve been reading our mail for years.
Tony Blair refers to us as ‘insurgents’ because we campaign for Self Determination.
Distorting Scotland last evening:-
“They promised the people of Scotland two years ago that if they came out and voted in the Independence Referendum their voice would be respected.
This is not the respect the people of Scotland were told. The majority of folk don’t want another Referendum.
The Majority of people don’t want independence and the SNP should take this off the table.”
Ruth Strictly looked a wee bit jaded, her Churchillian frown sagging somewhat, telling us all what the ‘majority’ of’people of Scotland’ (twice), ‘folk’ (once), and ‘people’ (once) want and don’t want.
Time stopped for the Unionists on the morning of the 19th September 2014 when David Cameron fresh from getting his rocks off listening to Her Maj purring down the phone to him, came out of Number 10 and announced, I’ll paraphrase here, ‘Fuck off ,Scotland. Back in your box. I’ll make sure it never happens again. EVEL, Ya Bass.’
In Ruth’s and Mundell’s eyes, we didn’t vote for 56 Pro Independence MP’s, we didn’t return an SNP Administration Up Her in May 2016, we didn’t vote 62% to stay within the European Community, her party didn’t get soundly cuffed, coming a very poor second in May. She didn’t vote Remain, but when she found herself on the losing side, where it mattered in Mother England, is now more Boris Johnson than Boris Johnson.
The broadcasters edited out her ‘why would we vote to leave a Union into which we export 4 times as much as we do into the EU?’
I did warn us.
Prove it ,Ruth Strictly. Cite your source documents. Show me the graphs.
You lie, oh Smirky Grinning Shovel Face.
Prove me wrong.
Unless you have wandered the highways and the byways and spoke to all of us, the people of Scotland, your wee free soundbite on BBC Distorting Scotland is just so much totalitarian mince.
The vast majority of the people of Scotland ,80%, voted ‘anything but the ‘effing’ Tories,’ just like Cameron, Ruth’s Former Best Friend before ‘Big T’, assured us we could do back in the heady campaign days of Better Together’s once in a lifetime Liesfest.
I refuse to contemplate the thought of Amber Rudd’s Home Office deciding whether or not I can leave Scotland to holiday abroad, set up a business, take up a job,or buy Le Dunroamin’ in Europe.
The very thought of May Johnson Fox Rudd Davis and Gove ‘taking back control’, and what they would then impose on Scotland the Colony, should send a chill throughout these lands, no matter which party you follow.
This is not Supermac Conservatism. This is the unacceptable shovel face of 21st Century fascism.
We shall prevail, mes braves.
Peace to us all.
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Hi there,
Just listened to John Humphries on R4 interviewing someone(?) about Theresa May’s meeting in Europe. Right at the end of the piece the chap said that talks were taking place with “the Prime Minister of Scotland”.
Nana, any chance that you could post a link to this clip? (At about 7.15)
It does sound from what he was saying that Theresa May and the UK have seriously pissed off the rest of the EU, hence not letting her have her say until 1 a.m.
With Nicola, for all that the talks might have, by diplomatic necessity, been informal, it sounds like she has been basically given the nod and the wink, hence her confidence in putting up the mechanism of Indyref 2.
@Nana
Read the Eric Joyce piece last night and TBF it was a pretty good bit of investigative writing from Mr Joyce. 🙂
Watched the Tusk response on goggle box this morn. The UK media spins to their viewers as ‘May tells yhe EU’…, whilst the jist of what’s coming from EU officials is more ‘May telt by the EU’. 😀 LOL
@Nana, @Macart
That’s a cracker about Gallagher, what an associate faker.
@Yesindyref2
Isn’t it though? 😀
He reads and writes ‘stuff’, he consults, he attends, but belongs to the square root of hee haw apparently.
Scotland in union… chaired by those and such as those, staffed and advised by extremely invested snake oil salesmen with dodgy CVs. Funded by the wealthy (who else?) and clearly is being set up as the next indyrefs ‘grassroots’ (astroturf) movement for the union.
link to archive.is
‘France must push back its border with Britain from Calais to the Kent coast and stop managing refugees and migrants for the UK, Alain Juppé has told the Guardian.’
I reckon that would be a vote winner especially in Calais.
Macart says:
… and deluded enough to think a group like this will gain the trust and respect of anyone in Scotland, even NO voters?
They sound just perfect for the role!
Seriously, though, it is something I can’t quite get my head round … who is there who can stand up for the Union in front of cameras? U-turn-Ruth? What-day-is-it-Kezia? Wee Willie what’s his name?
Or are the same liars as last time going to be enticed away from corporate coffers to stand and utter the same lies?
@Eppy
Sorry I’ve a hospital appointment this morning, perhaps someone else could look for that.
@Macart
Aye Westminster arrogance thinking they are running the show.
Not read the rest of the comments so apologies to anyone I have not replied to.
If you are able to please donate to the billboard fundraiser please do. The bbc are running the no campaign for indy2.
link to informscotland.com
link to gofundme.com
link to facebook.com
Lol, it looks like Westminster and the whole Yoon media are going full on crazy with the ‘no mandate’ for IndyRef2 angle, but to be fair, it’s all they have left, given that everyone and their granny can see Scotland would have to be absolutely mental not to vote ‘Yes’ this time.
Vambomarbeleye
I disagree
Just some of the Labour failures names which popped into my head and easily googled abt ‘where are they now?
Gordon Matheson, ‘Visiting professor’ Strathclyde Uni.
Wendy Alexander appointed the ‘first’ Vice Chancellor (international) at Dundee Uni.
Her Brother Douglas, Bono’s Bagman, appointed to international Law Firm Pinsent Masons:-
“The firm said Alexander will also “bring his considerable experience to bear to help Pinsent Masons and their clients develop business strategies to respond to those geopolitical issues that impact on business from time to time.”
Adding: “In the short term this will include helping shape the firm’s engagement with clients around the upcoming referendum on Britain’s membership of the European Union in June.
“He will play an active part in engaging with the firm’s clients at Board level to help identify and interpret key issues, including the role of business in informing public debate.”
We vote them out, they leave or are sacked in disgrace, yet they are still there, in amongst us, deciding what’s best for us Proles.
What is happening in Scottish Academia?
If you aren’t a true blue Brit, you need not apply?
The rancid Establishment stables need a complete clear out come Independence.
PS. I gave up my ‘where are they now’ whimsy after three gravy trainers searches.
The reward for failure and or disgrace. Nice wee manufactured sinecures.
@galamcennalath
‘who is there who can stand up for the Union in front of cameras? U-turn-Ruth? What-day-is-it-Kezia? Wee Willie what’s his name?’
In a word… yes.
The twist in the tale I reckon though, is that Ruth and the Tories will front the show rather than Kezia and Labour and frankly who cares about thingy?
Kez and thingy are there simply to make up the numbers and validate some cross establishment creds. The media north and south of the border have invested some effort over the past year in Ruth’s profile and promotion. Most especially since the votes in May and June. I don’t think that’s an accident.
The big beasts may be used for walk on parts in support this time round, but I’d be genuinely surprised if any would be foolish enough to accept the poison chalice of UKOK leadership. Not on HMGs record of delivery of pledges made in the past two years, which has been entirely indefensible. That and they don’t have a thirty odd point starting lead to feel all comfy with y’see?
Its entirely possible that the ‘powweeerrs that be’ may hedge their bets by letting Ruth run the show, but with the same or similar level of back up Darling had last outing. If she wins her career is made and great works await south of the border. If she loses, she was a five minute wonder, no great loss as a politician and who gives a shit as far as they are concerned. They’d also have far bigger fish to fry at that point anyway. 😉
There is one way to avoid the biased British press & that is to read foreign newspapers.
French
link to lepoint.fr
link to lesoir.be
link to 20minutes.fr
Spanish
link to lavanguardia.com
link to internacional.elpais.com
German
link to google.de
Netherlands
link to google.nl
@Nana
I’m strapped right now Nana, but you can bet as soon as I have some readies there’ll be a donation. 🙂
Gallagher is just a kiddy-on academic!
His description here reveals how deeply involved he was (still is?) with the machinery of state.
link to centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk
He was Whitehall’s most senior civil servant concerned with devolution until he retired in June 2010, as Director-General for Devolution in the Cabinet Office the No 10 Policy Unit and Ministry of Justice. He is now an academic heavily involved in the Scottish constitutional question….
@ call me dave at 3.04
How hilarious that Ian Murray boasts about how hard he fought to get “welfare” included in the Scotland Bill, after the way SLab behaved in the Smith Commission. Did he and his party really support/propose amendments to the Bill (I can’t be bothered to check, but of course all amendments failed)?
The SG (for which read SNP) should use its “vast powers” – just after Mundell has told him they don’t have the requisite power and would have to find a way to work round it.
Nana says:
21 October, 2016 at 9:06 am
@Eppy
Sorry I’ve a hospital appointment this morning, perhaps someone else could look for that.
Ruby replies
Will do!
link to bbc.co.uk
That programme just finished at 9am so it might a a hour or so before it appears on the iplayer.
I’m assuming the radio iplayer is still available for non BBC licence payers if not I won’t be able to do anything.
I hope your hospital appointment goes well. Treat yourself to something really nice when it’s over!
I did type a post with a load of links to foreign newspapers but it hasn’t appeared perhaps there were too many links.
What I was suggesting was that the way to avoid to biased British media is to read foreign newspapers.
I’ll try post just one link at a time
French
link to lepoint.fr
Here’s a Spanish one
Theresa May and the witch called Brussels
Theresa May y esa bruja llamada Bruselas
link to lavanguardia.com
Never got why people didn’t see the inherent farce of the “EdStone” being made of limestone. After all it’s not the most immutable of materials. link to pohakufab.com . Water erosion might take a bit of time though.
On the other hand the oft quoted “line in the sand” that Rooth la Mooth is so fond of is as much use as when King Canute tried. When the tide comes in it’ll get washed away.
Not sure it would have world wide support, but the Yoons now believe the only chance they have of winning IndyRef2 is by gassing Independence supporters,
link to twitter.com
Seriously, we have to save Scotland from these people.
link to ericjoyce.co.uk
Posting this in case its not been posted before
Eppy
I don’t know how to turn it into a wee clip but Today can be accessed at the following link (and is available now).
link to bbc.co.uk
The interview about 7.15 (01.15) in with Manfred Webber is worth a listen. He doesn’t hold back and I think John Humphreys is a bit taken aback by how annoyed he is.
Positives for Manfred in the whole brexit experience appear to be 1. the pound tanking, 2. Scotland’s intention to stay in, 3. The effect the economic damage has had on galvanising other country’s support for staying in the EU
Good stuff- nice find.
Radio 4,
I listen to this morning. Just because there is less SNP bad, anyway it was amazing listening to reports of our PM being ignored, she made a speech about 1 am, just as the guests were leaving, no one applauded, she was left in “stony silence”, but its not a snub, Oh No! Definitely not a snub, you see its another example of how the EU is so badly organised.
Were it better organised she would have been allowed to speak at the start, but dammed heath and safety stepped in and insisted she wait till all the knives have been taken in.
But on a sadder moment, as I post this 50 years ago, around now a disaster was unfolding in Aberfan, Wales, I was very moved by John Humphry’s report. I was even more moved by his warning, in summing up he said “The children in these graves were betrayed by the men in power” “If Aberfan stands for anything today it stands for,, Authority must always be challenged”.
As a democrat, I agree those in power need to be held to account, since the days of ancient Greece, the first republic and the dialectic between the patrician and plebeian down through the centuries, to today, the need for an effective opposition, and Edmund Burke’s unbiased fourth estate is as much, no, even more of a necessity, it’s an imperative in a world where cheap comment is abundant, and the analytical mind and thoughtful discourse is drowned out by a cacophony of ignorance transmitted down wires and over airwaves at 140 characters or less. Where opinion is presented as fact and there is no depth to where fools will not descend in reducing the argument to absurdum.
She is a Tory…what they say and what they do are seldom aligned.
Cheer up….we have a macho name for our new platform of death and destruction – “Dreadnought”
We are whisked ba to 1904 when the.Emire ruled…I feel better already. You will forget all about this article once you see Ruthie astride Dreadnought.
She is a Tory…what they say and what they do are seldom aligned.
Cheer up….we have a macho name for our new platform of death and destruction – “Dreadnought”
We are whisked ba to 1904 when the.Emire ruled…I feel better already. You will forget all about this article once you see Ruthie astride Dreadnought.
The name was announced as part of Trafagar Day. That famous battle when the union was almost 100 years old and Scots made up 20percent of the Navy…but the flag message was “…England expects…”
What no May slapped bashed shocked slammed headlines yoon tory boys of the state gestapo disinformation branch hmmm?
Oh there there dont cry we can send you some hankies,seems like your little jam savoir of the empire didnt go so well,cup of tea Mrs May being the polite civil people in Europe inter state politeness between officials is just expected between foreign diplomats by the electorate now have you had any thoughts about signing article 50 you do know until you do you are welcome to pop in for a cup of tea but we are afraid we cant discuss it parliamentary procedure you see,we are sure you understand have a nice day.
Well ouch so Ruth mighty buffalo straddler BBC celebrity look at me polished turd of the tank loyalist brigade actually got something right i find that astonishing 🙂
@ Stoker
The art student idea is a good idea. I am, though, receiving emails from distributors asking for the dud ones to distribute (as the proper ones are now all gone). They can be peeled with good nails and a bit of patience. In fact, I’ve even managed to find a fairly reliable way of easily peeling. You just flick the edge of the label a few times with the edge of your thumb and it seems to loosen the sticky from the paper.
So, if anyone wants some more, let me know and I’ll send a batch of the ‘dud’ ones to you. (If you can’t peel them then they can be left on tables in pubs/restaurants, left on bus/train seats for people to pick up).
They’re popping up all over the place and witht he billboards going up as well soon, the fightback against the BBC propaganda gathers apace.
Yer tea’s oot Kay (with an ‘e’). Yours too Union Jackie.
Macart says:
I agree, that will probably be what happens. Which is good news.
2013 and there was good reason to believe Labour top guns were an acceptable face for their Union. Their party had dozens of MPs still and could be said to have been Scotland’s choice at Westminster. They were the obvious choice to front a campaign.
2017/8 and the same cannot be said for Ruth’s Tories. While they are the official opposition in Holyrood, then have one MP just. They are the party of choice for a much smaller group than Labour were. To defend their Union, they will be challenged to defend that party’s record in that Union’s parliament. That is a tall order!
It will be a strong argument that we are all in this constitutional mess because of the Tories, so they cannot then present themselves as part of a solution!
Jack Collatin says at 7:13 am
Aye Jack, It was the promises given by Better Together to the people of Scotland two years ago weren’t respected.
The sooner more people understand that the better.
Unfortunately BBC/MSM etc. continue to parrot ‘most powerful devolved parliament in the world’ pish unchallenged.
link to tinyurl.com
Translation of the story of Theresa May & the Witch called Brussels
The British prime minister’s tour of the seventh Dantesque hell of Eurosceptics
Worth a read! Rafael Ramos writes:
‘Barca beating Manchester City 4-0 is unfortunate, but basically the fault of Guardiola and foreign players’
In her 15 minute speech she was much more conciliatory than in her (Nacional Populista ?) extreme right wing speech that she made at the Tory Conference in Birmingham
ronnie anderson says at 9:51 am and Nana
As for Pretendy ‘Prof’ Gallagher.
Just another Unionist Walter Mitty.
Hopefully Glasgow and Oxford revoke his ‘visiting Professorships’
Maybe a mass of individual complaints to both institutions?
Yoons like nothing worse than being stripped of the titles and baubles they covet so much and which they think make them more like their perceived betters.
Anyone know who to contact re: The Pretendy ‘Prof’ Gallagher??
“…BBC/MSM etc. continue to parrot ‘most powerful devolved parliament in the world’ pish unchallenged.”
‘Rood Almighty – The Most Powerful Devolved Parliament in the Known World. EVER
link to youtube.com
Am in Gibraltar.
Were Cameron or Boris to arrive on vacation they’d get lynched!
More in my essay site next week…
Billboard messages can be extremely effective in directing minds towards the truth.
‘There is no discourse … that doesn’t have to face this trial of journalistic selection in order to catch the public eye. The effect is censorship which journalists practise without even being aware of it. They retain only the things capable of interesting them…which means things that fit their categories and mental grid; and they reject as significant or remain indifferent to symbolic expressions that ought to reach the population as a whole’
Pierre Bourdieu ‘On Television and Journalism’
There should be a rolling campaign of billboard posters as YES 2 gains traction- let’s expand the mental grid.
‘To be is to be perceived- Esse est percipi’
Grouse Beater says: 10:41
tease!
Judging by the current tone of the Yoons comments in the twittersphere, they know the games up. They now seem to be pinning everything on preventing Scotland’s Independence, by preventing IndyRef2.
And ironically they still don’t get why we want Independence.
#CannotComeSoonEnough.
@crazycat says: 21 October, 2016 at 12:07 am:
” … They’ll all be paying lots of other taxes though!”
And that, crazycat, is actually the most important truth of the modern Westminster Establishment’s, always cynical, mind-set and was first introduced by the unionist Parliamentary Labour Party.
Their object was to move the main burden of taxation away from, “Direct Taxation”, and move it to, “Indirect Taxation”. Their main object being to make the poorest sections of the United Kingdom’s peoples pay the greatest portion of tax and thus away from the richest 10% of the United Kingdom’s population.
Previously we did indeed have a little indirect taxation by way of what was then known as, “Purchase Tax”, but this was aimed squarely at that richest 10% as it was only levied upon such things as the more expensive items like mink, and other rare animal, fur coats, expensive imported French perfumes, wines, foods such as caviar, and the most expensive luxury motor vehicles.
So direct taxation is levied upon income, profits and wealth and thus the richest 10%, who can well afford it, paid the greatest burden of taxation with the added, “Purchase Tax”.
Indirect Taxation is paid by everyone even if they earn nothing whatsoever. For example a child spends their pocket money and thus pays VAT on their pocket money spending. Pocket money that has already had a direct tax hit on their parent income.
An OAP, (who has paid tax and National Insurance all their life to earn a pension), struggles to exist and pays indirect tax such as VAT, Road Fuel Duty, Alcohol Duty, Betting Tax and so on. Thus the Treasury is clawing back large parts of the pension the pensioner has paid tax for all their life to qualify for.
Indirect taxation is actually specifically designed to hit the poorest hardest. Look at it in a different manner. Taxation, to be fair, should be governed by, “Disposable Income”, i.e. income remaining after deduction of taxes and other mandatory charges, available to be spent or saved as one wishes.
If therefore the main taxation takes no account of, “Disposable Income”, then the taxpayer, with little or no disposable income, is forced to pay tax on their non-disposable income which is obviously from income already including, ” … taxes and other mandatory charges”, as defined in the definition of, “Disposable Income”.
This is the not so obvious, “Double Whammy”, used by the always cynical red/blue Tory Westminster Establishment in order to move the main burden of taxation from the rich to the poor.
Yet Joe and Josephine Public never seem to realise this and focus their views of taxation only mainly upon, the now far less important, “Income tax”.
Open your eyes, Crazycat, the whole point of the multi-coloured, “Westminster Establishment”, is cynically dedicated to ripping off as much as they can get away with from the poorest and most vulnerable members of the United Kingdom population and giving it to the richest 10%, This with a wee special place in that dedication for the sovereign people of Scotland. A Scotland that has always been systematically raped of its resources in every way they can dream up to take from and not give back to Scotland.
Give us our Independence Westminster for, “It’s commin yet fir aa that”.
Grouse Beater says: 10:41
By the way AM is not in Gibraltar. If AM were he would more often than not be found exiting Lewis Stagnetto’s sporting a box of MONTECRISTO NO 5’s!
What GB is up to is anyone’s guess!
BBC Question Time….sorry BBC Brexit Time….I see the natives are STILL restless.
FFS put them out of their misery ….Brexit….when do we want it….NOW.
Forgive them….for they know not what they have done…..but WE do.
Oh to be a fly on the wall when it finally comes home to roost…..me thinks some serious shit gonna go down.
We have TRIED to say be careful what you wish for….but it’s like talking a FOREIGN language….Brexit bible equals see EVEL , hear EVEL and speak EVEL.
We , the Scots , currently live as part of a kingdom, and there are those in this kingdom who are so very blind and so very willing to be led by those who are also so very blind.
And the branch offices here in Scotland want US, the Scots , to REMAIN in THAT shit…..WTF….do they think we’re BLIND !!!!
What do they think of May Grouse Beater ?
I really hope they dont have a large group of britnat tory nutters living there they deserve better got their own international football team and its such a nice country be a real shame for them not to grab the opportunity for something better.
Have a great time been many years since i was on the rock i might have to change that in the future 🙂
“And the branch offices here in Scotland want US, the Scots , to REMAIN in THAT shit…..WTF….do they think we’re BLIND !!!!”
You mean like this…
link to imgur.com
Eppy
Just listened to the interview with Manfred Weber – what a brilliant bit of radio. I had actually switched off this morning, about 3 minutes before it started, so would have missed it if you hadn’t highlighted it. Thankyou.
Seriously, everyone should listen to this. The establishment is being told how Europe really sees Brexit. John Humphrey’s sounds astonished!
It starts about hour and 15 minutes in.
link to bbc.co.uk
Good front page on the Daily record today!
Grousebeater , may we send them ??
Thanks to yesindyref and meg merrilees , I had read the gist of the piece on My Newsfeed from MSN but when I tried to read it fully on the Independent I got the message ‘permission denied’ – that’s what remains a puzzle to me!
Just heard Court has overulled appeal against alcohol minimum pricing. It can go ahead.
Scotland in Union and the Tories – want to cheese them off? Then why not print this article and present it to them at their stalls which are springing up all over the place. It would certainly put their gas at a peep
Ronnie
I read the article by Eric Joyce you linked and found it a fascinating and beautifully crafted piece.
As someone who studied economic history at Edinburgh I have been somewhat perplexed by people like Gallagher of whom I had, until recently, never heard of.
Eric has rather set the record straight and set my mind at ease in the process.
I don’t have a Twitter account so I don’t see much of the silliness between people like Gallagher and Effie whatever (which until very recently I had assumed was a joke caricature account). I don’t think I am missing much. If I want SNPBaaaaaad I can read Euan or Torquil.
Minimum pricing can be introduced in Scotland
@Rock says: 20 October, 2016 at 11:08 pm:
” … But as I pointed out to Robert Peffers a few days ago, there will be a mandate for a referendum only after a majority vote in parliament. There isn’t one at the moment.”
Aye” Rock. What you pointed out a few days ago was utter pish then and it is still utter pish now.
Parliament, (any parliament), does NOT give out mandates to the electorate.
Parliament, (any parliament), IS GIVEN, or is more correctly, “Mandated to do something”, by a majority of the electorate.
The best any parliament can do is request it be given a mandate from a democratic electorate.
Which mandates begins with a majority mandate to be the government in power in a parliament. Then, when that mandate to govern is withdrawn, that government falls or is mandated out of power.
Here is the dictionary definition of, “a Mandate”.
:-
Bob Mack says:
21 October, 2016 at 11:20 am
Just heard Court has overulled appeal against alcohol minimum pricing. It can go ahead.
Ruby replies
It’ll be the supreme court next!
link to archive.is
The judgement could be challenged in the UK Supreme Court.
Could Stu pick up on the item at 7.15 on R4 this morning?
I think that it definitely deserves a wider audience. It certainly doesn’t seem to have percolated through to radio Scotland, – surprise, surprise.
I often give up on listening to the BBC these days. I used to be a R4 addict but the increasing bias has often put me off of late.
On occasion I listen to Radio 4 and radio Scotland at the same time (one on an earpiece) and the contrast in coverage and ordering of the same stories is often quite marked. Some media studies bod could probably get a thesis out of it.
@Ruby,
I hope it is challenged. It will show exactly what lies in store for Scotland under Tory rule. Scots law could become meaningless. That focuses minds. Especially legal ones.
Anyone can call themselves Professor. Its up to academia to ensure that this farce with that bizarre yoon is knocked on the head.
Watching SKY News instead of BBC vote Tory 24, no difference, shock.
Theresa May ‘objects to attempts to sideline UK at EU summit’
The PM says she will refuse to automatically rubber-stamp decisions made without the UK’s involvement, sources tell Sky News.
She said the UK would refuse to “rubber-stamp” decisions made during meetings of the remaining 27 European Union nations – a reference to an “informal” summit held in Bratislava in September, the first without Britain for 43 years.
“Mrs May said that she will not accept rubber-stamping EU decisions if the UK is not invited,” EU sources told Sky News, although it is understood she was not suggesting the meetings of the remaining countries should end altogether.
Etc.
Rule Britannia, Brexit means Brexit, do as we say, we’re the tories of teamGB, have a free union jack johnny foreigner.
When the vote comes for IndyRef2 in the Scottish Parliament, Scottish Labour MSPs really need to take a long hard look in the mirror at themselves.
the office for national statistics has just published this,
Public sector net borrowing (excluding public sector banks) decreased by £2.3 billion to £45.5 billion in the current financial year-to-date (April to September 2016), compared with the same period in 2015.
Public sector net borrowing (excluding public sector banks) increased by £1.3 billion to £10.6 billion in September 2016, compared with September 2015.
guess how this will be reported?
On occasion I listen to Radio 4 and radio Scotland at the same time (one on an earpiece) and the contrast in coverage and ordering of the same stories is often quite marked. Some media studies bod could probably get a thesis out of it.”
Yesterday evening BBC Scotland has Ruth Davidson really stamping hard on ref2, clear, concise, No, not now, not ever, SNP bad, over and over.
BBC r4 PM show with Eddie Mair didn’t mention anything ref 2 and their 6pm peek teatime news had about 15 seconds of ref2 with Sarah Smith gentle mocking, in the last 5 minutes. And that was that for BBC r4 England.
BBC Scotland does the vote NO or else heavy lifting most of the time, Eddie Mair and chums pile on at the vinegar strokes.
Would these observations in Britnat BBC propaganda get me an A+.
If like me you’re a vile separatist, Eddie Mair in London and the assorted BBC Scotland UKOK freak show from Pacific Quay, was one of their finest displays of BBC attack propaganda on Scottish democracy, that afternoon:D
What’s rancid the Graun saying Scottish democracy today? Fcuk all, shock.
I see the Court of Session has come out supporting minimum pricing. One interesting point is the BBC are majoring on the challenge was from the Whisky Trade Association
No mention of Labour and Conservative being against it
Strange that
Must call Kaye and ask why
Just clocked that radio spot.
Ooft!
I suspect Mr Humphrys wasn’t quite expecting Mr Weber to be so forthright and candid with his opinions. Oh, and ‘meeting the Prime Minister of Scotland’…. Brilliant! 😀
Seriously recommend folk get an earful of this interview.
How weird is it that the UK Gov want to have a say in what happens in the EU having decided to leave?
When do they stop having this right to have their say? Is it when they trigger article 50 or until all is finalised?
Ruth Davidson’s political future in Scotland is all behind her! a bit like her arse. The sooner the pair seek a safe English seat the better.
Eddie Mair and chums at BBC r4 PM show are such a jolly crew, instead of even giving ref 2 a mention yesterday, they went on and on about the escaped gorilla of merry old London, for ages and ages. He’s a beautiful gorilla said Eddie. And vote Tory.
Day before BBC Newsnight did an interesting thing on this ,
link to thenational.scot
BBC Newsnight ligger’s interviewed interesting campaigner in his 80’s from Brighton, then ligger rounds of extensive interview with, “this is a Labour bill going in tomorrow…”
Top of the range, mega expensive BBC2 Newsnight, owned by a cluster fcuk of toryboys.
@ Ruby If the Whisky Ass appeal to the Supreme Court Scottish Gov should go back to the Court of Sessions for a Judgement on Scots Law being seperate.
@Ruby
You had a chance to listen to Sir David Edward lecture yet?
He has a thing or three to say on the subject of council entitlements once A50 is triggered. (chuckles) 🙂
@One_Scot says:
21 October, 2016 at 11:39 am
“When the vote comes for IndyRef2 in the Scottish Parliament, Scottish Labour MSPs really need to take a long hard look in the mirror at themselves”.
Is that so they can REFLECT ? ….their mirrors are well and truly cracked I fear…..perhaps though if they did take a long long long long long hard hard hard hard hard look….. they may SEE themselves as others SEE them. As a F**king useless bunch of moronic w**ks subservient to their MASTERS at HQ on the good ship UKOK deployed once again to sink the bad ship SNP.
Perhaps One_Scot, if you are talking Mirrors and Labour then the saying ” Trust is like a MIRROR, once broken, you never LOOK at it in the same way again “. Ain’t that the fff**king truth !!!
Have a good day .
@ Proud Cybernat
LOL. That image could apply also to comments I made above re a certain non reflecting party as they are forever looking for a FRESH start.
Have a good day.
Rule Britannia no more Russian ships will sail where they want to & hee haw the Uk Gov & MoD can do about it , other than take photo’s , great backdrop that NO SO English Channel .
Macart
I did listen to the lecture but I’ll have to go back and listen to the part about council entitlements once A50 is
triggered.
One point on minimum pricing, take Morrison’s, today in its supermarkets out of 160 white wines only thirty are cheaper than £4.70, out of 186 red wine 29 are under £4.70.
But if your favourite wine is say £4.71 or £12.00 it will not change it still will be £4.71 or £12.00.
I do have sympathy for someone on low earnings who say want to buy two bottles of wine, where it would have cost say £6. it will now cost over £9, where as if you were used to buying 2 bottles of £5 wine there is no impact.
Where health impact is greatest is in those who regularly consume excess alcohol’ as a percentage and if these are from disadvantaged groups those tend to have worse health outcomes for the same levels of alcohol consumption, usually due I suppose to poorer lifestyle and diet.
Anne Ludbrook did good work on this. link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com
The Blue Pawn…
link to imgur.com
How many people have died needlessly in the last four years thanks to the Scotch Whisky Association taking this action? And how many more in the two years prior to that when Tory, Labour and Lib Dem MSPs voted down the measure? Unforgivable.
Won’t it be great if the Tories stopped Scotland paying loan repayments on money not borrowed or spent in Scotland. Cut Trident which will be going with Brexit. The US did not want it here in the first place. McMillian illegally dumped it in Scotland. The Tories had stopped taxing the Oil & Gas sector at 80% to 60% when the price had fallen 75%, losing thousands of jobs. The tax is now 40%. Untaxed fracked Gas is being imported from the US. If tax evasion was stopped eg whisky companies pay no tax.
Scotland could have had a £300Billion Oil fund and full employment without Westminster’s crass interference.
Vote SNP/SNP May 2017. Vote for Independence.
The Tories are trying to ruin the world economy. The Tories have deluded the English working class to vote out of the EU, because of UKIP. UKIP is £3/4Billion in debt. A busted flush. Farague is rummeraging around the US for funds. After milking the EU for years.
David Davis is an incompetent ignoramous. Boris Johnston is a self serving, self seeking. Attention seeker. The Tories have deluded the English working class to vote to be poorer. The wealthy are getting tax breaks. The UK is the most unequal place in the world. Mundell is aiding Independence saying the Scottsh Gov could pay out pensions sooner. A realistic (UK) Gov pension £180? would stop the need for welfare payments. Pensioners over the threshold pay tax.
OK I’ve got it now the UK will remain a full member of the EU even after article 50 is triggered and will have the legal right to vote in the EU for two years (possible longer)after triggering article 50
The UK COULD vote in the EU parliament but the question is SHOULD they vote in the EU parliament now that they have decided to leave.
Surely they should follow the principle of EVEL
European votes for European Laws!
@Ian Brotherhood says: 20 October, 2016 at 11:38 pm:
“For fellow non-telly watchers who may not know this – BBC QT is simultaneously broadcast on Radio 5 Live.”
May I add that the BBC Ceefax service is available from BBC radio stations on modern TV sets.
Thus non-licence payers can legally read the BBC Text News on Ceefax on a BBC Radio channel without actually watching a BBC live TV programme.
heedtracker says: 11:49
“On occasion I listen to Radio 4 and radio Scotland at the same time (one on an earpiece)”
Will that not mean that you cannot make an unbiased coloration as spatial information from the right side of space is relayed to both hemispheres, whereas information from the left side is mainly relayed to the right hemisphere, ?? You are head tracker after all?
Anyway Why can Captain Kirk hear so well? Because he has three ears: a left ear, a right ear, and a final frontier.
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The London Supreme Court has to agree with the Scottish Courts because Scottish Law is separate for ever. It stops Scottish citizens right of appeal to the ECHR. Tommy Sheridan was prevented from appealing to the ECHR because the Scottish Courts rejected it. Along with the London Court. The London Court supports the Scottish Courts right to be separate and upholds their decision and jurisdiction. Can’t over rule Scottish Law. Depriving Scottish citizens right of appeal to the ECHR.
@Graeme Doig says: 20 October, 2016 at 11:59 pm:
” … Don’t think I have the stomach to watch anymore English politics. That country has descended into a dangerous farce.”
Ach! Graeme, “That country”, has always been a dangerous farce. It is just that you are now aware that it still is.
link to thetimes.co.uk
‘Experts’ like Carney must curb their arrogance
says
MICHAEL GOVE in THE TIMES
I can’t make up my mind if it would be worth trying to track down the full article on Newstand or not.
Same applies to this one
link to thetimes.co.uk
Frank McAveety insisted that the city had been badly treated by Holyrood and should have the right to opt out of the present funding settlement and negotiate directly with the UK government.
Just thinking outside the digi-box here…
Why don’t Sky or Virgin introduce a service where BBC is blocked on your digital box? I mean, if they can control what sports channels, movie channels etc you get access to, then surely it is possible to block the BBC channel?
Anyone know if this is possible and, if so, would you then need a telly license?
People are raising funds to campaign against the BBC but listening to it. QT is a joke. Just to provoke. Stop watching/listening to it. The only BBC channel worth watching is the Parliamentary channel to see what the Unionist ‘Psycho bastards’ (their own description) are doing, before some ‘journalist’ distorts it. Costa is becoming a right clown. The smug, ignorant Unionists are often called out by the SNP.
Nicholson, Cherry Alex and Co often give them as earful. Great to watch. The Tories squirming. Many are really arrogant and ignorant.
@Ruby says at 12:42
“Surely they should follow the principle of EVEL
European votes for European Laws”!
Ruby , Absolutely Brilliant BIG LOL..this should definitely be a future hashtag…… #European votes for European Laws.
lOVE LOVE LOVE IT….Have a good day.