It’s England’s Oil
Posted on
August 28, 2014 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
This is Polly Toynbee of the Guardian and Eddie Bone of the Campaign for an English Parliament in a remarkable nine minutes of “Good Morning Scotland” this morning.
It’s the nearest to sounding like a Yes voter you’ll ever hear James Naughtie. Enjoy.
Maybe even Naughtie is starting to have his eyes opened. It is possible. Unlikely but possible.
Polly’s an odd duck. She told Andrew Neil on his Politics show that no Scot should ever be allowed near high office in Westminster again, no matter what the result
Eddie Bone. Wow.
Haven’t listened to it yet but, naw it isnae it’s oors.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Listened to this live on my way to work. Naughtie sounded genuinely indignant. Long time since I started a shift with such a smile on my face.
This is an extraordinary tape. There must have been a few undecideds who heard this on the train or in their car and thought “Well, these two are being really frank about NHS privatisation, there must be some truth in it.”
This should be shared by all, Eddie bones statement that only way Scotland can save its health service is by voting yes took me completely by surprise, given all that he’d said beforehand.
I know more folk than ever voting yes but bookies are still saying no. Any ideas?
Feel the love from Eddie Bone-Head, this has to be heard by as many undecided and soft no’s as possible.
Polly says she doesn’t think the people of England have got it in for Scotland but that Toynbee chat with Neil actually goes far beyond what the Campaigner for England says, that no MP from a Scottish constituency should be allowed to be the leader of a Westminster party or “indeed hold the great offices of British state, no matter what the result”
Slash the funding handout we give them, bar them from any Westminster government jobs, bish bosh bettertogether.
It makes you wonder just how bright any of these vote No commentators actually are.
Remember that Polly writes for the “left wing” Guardian. Imagine what the all out Tories and UKIP types will be thinking?
No taxation without representation gets closer and closer.
WTF. Mr Bones, we pay more in than get back….Fact.
NHS Scotland, feked if we vote no.
For the love of your, country, bairns, family and friends; for the unborn generations to come..,….in the name of what ever you believe in, VOTE YES.
I was astonished this morning. Has he read the WBB? Maybe we should put a supply at PQ reception. They might dump the Naughtie boy and give us a Smith/Kuenssberg double act for the next three weeks.
Or it might be back to normal tomorrow. The FMs on with the fragrant KwithanE.
Latest survation poll yes 47 no 53 Daily mail in meltdown to save the union
Wonder if Archie was listening?
Naughtie standing up for the truth was a shock, but I think the really significant part was when both Bone and Toynbee agreed that Scotland should vote for independence to save the NHS. People need to hear this!
Chitterinlicht
Its a question of how much is being staked,most people off the street betting yes tend to only bet small amounts is £10 to £50 . its been well reported on the other hand that a few heafty bets,the largest being £400,000 have been placed on a no result
Most of these bets seem to originate from the London area however,suggesting someone is trying( and succeeding) to manipulate the odds.
Here’s what happens to Naughtie, after doing back-to-backs with Darling, McDougall and Carmichael:
‘I’m Mad As Hell And I’m Not Going To Take It Any More.’
link to youtube.com
Chitterinlicht,
To have to pay out several million (on a YES vote) is money well spent.
Backing Westminster will bring far more riches for them.
Eddie Bone’s initial remarks about spending in Scotland have been ignited by the better together campaign and its cheerleaders like James Naughtie. they have played the Scottish subsidy card to the max.
You reap what you sow.
Eddie Bone’s remarks about NHS privatisation – he seems to have spent 20 years working in it and thinks Alex Salmond has a point.
Sinky.
What about bookies usually more accurate guide. They still predict no which is against what I am seeing. Just concerned.
(Ian honey message on O/T)
Thanks people. Don’t get betting to be honest. To be fair this is a very unusual circumstance. Most people I know are yes with some exceptions (Edinburgh/finance sector).
Misinformed re oil,but spot on with the NHS funding and advising Scots to vote yes. After the Scots have been educating themselves on the Indyref issues for the last three years,most of us can spot this stuff a mile off. 🙂
Wow. That’s all.
Hello James. Welcome aboard.
looks like Jim Naughtie has been up here too long.
He is starting to go “native”.
If Mr Bones finds the “extra funding” Scotland has offensive, what on earth must he think of London’s extra funding?
After all, you said it yourself, Bones: “the people of England want equality when it comes to expenditure.” Maybe you should start thinking about equality in your own country before you start making assumptions about the other constituents of the UK, eh?
Also, he can give the *actual figures* of £10,152 spending per person in Scotland, £8,529 spending per person in England, £49 billion to Scotland… but NOT the *actual figures* of taxes from Scotland?
Good of him to actually show a modicum of honesty in acknowledging the reality of the NHS in the event of a No vote, though.
I feel sorry for Eddie Bone. He’s been fed a diet of lies, constructed to put barriers between the ordinary people if Scotland and England. All designed to stop people realising how much London sucks the life out of all of us. It was nice to hear James Naughtie behaving like something approaching a real journalist but I suppose Mr Bone isn’t a real member of the establishment.
Bit ironic regarding the NHS when Cameron is trying to paint the Yes campaign on the NHS as scaremongering.
Bone spills the beans.
We are not wanted pretty clear from the English guy.
Don’t think they will share English oil with us, they don’t like us being scroungers on the good folk of England.
Would be nice if the Scottish snobs could listen, digest and understand. They are scroungers.
Meanwhile over at BfS GMK is on form with a letter on the charges for whisky promotions at embassies. I’ll expect hear the BBC apology in the morning; and the HMG apology at the same time they refund the charges. Or not.
Anyone got a list of the 100+ businesses against independence?
I’m fussy where I spend my bawbees.
I know about Baxters, Mackies crisps/ice cream,Tunnocks,B+Q.
Also don’t buy Hovis since they started wrapping their loaves in Union Jack.
I’d like to know who else to boycott even after we win on the 18th. It will never be forgotten in this household!
OMFG!
I am truly Gob Smacked at that. Unbelievable.
Everyone is Scotland should hear this.
Who’s up for driving around in an Ice Cream Van with LOUD speakers on top (driving around like the end of Mars Attack)
Mr Bone, if England is such a great tax earner, why is there approx £100billion UK deficit each year.
New Survation poll out.
link to survation.com
41.1% Yes
46.7% No
12.2% Undecided
Clitterinlicht,
Bookies balance the books.
The odds are set by how much they will have to pay out if Yes win v. how much they will have to pay out for no. It is not a who will win prediction as such (Generally speaking they win).
BrianW, I’ll happily use my camper for such a use.
I’m told the new poll comes out as
YES 47%(+4)
NO 53%(-4)
Once undecided voters are not counted.
A truely remarkable 9 min of beeb radio!
First Eddie weighs in with the Scotland is subsidised from England guff, Naughtie clearly irritated butts in with a need for proof in numbers. Eddie crashes.
Amazing, is Naughtie a maybe YES man?
But the best bit is still to come. Eddie and Polly both go flat out for Scotland needing YES to save the NHS-SCO from privatisation and why. No if’s an but’s, vote YES.
I heard this in the morning but it’s good to hear it when I’m not half asleep.
Polly Toynbee is wrong in places but compared to that pillock Bone she’s positively Yes. She’s certainly bang on where NHS Scotland is concerned.
Naughtie clearly hates Bone. He really did a Paxman on him and the moron really, really floundered. ‘I don’t have the figures to hand’ followed by ‘I know what the figures are’ has to go down as almost Rumsfeldesque for sheer stupidity.
Oh, in parts I have no doubt he was actually right. We vote no, budget cuts are coming. But his reasoning for it was wired to the moon. England is the only part of the UK to have positive tax receipts. My arse it is.
Chitterinlicht,
The bookies make their money from balancing the betting book (matching volume of bets for Yes with volume of bets for No) and skimming the profit from the over-round (essentially lowering the odds so that Yes + No > 100% probability). They only lose money when lots of people only back one outcome and they can’t then balance the book.
If a small number of people are heavily backing No and a large number of folk are making smaller bets on Yes the bookie will be pretty happy with either outcome.
Of course the other option might be the No backers know something we don’t (e.g. the vote is rigged and there will only be one winner?). But that’s pretty unlikely given the number of people who will be looking to make sure the vote is a fair one.
At least Polly Toynbee’s view appears to have evolved, somewhat. It is a pity the guy undermined his health warning with his opening statements.
This is the predicted clarion call for the No vote to turn out from the Daily Heil. Without, of course, ever showing Yes ahead.
Dug Alexander’s ongoing narrative about postal votes (get them back quick), polls (used to justify a rigged vote) and ‘the millions of Scots who oppose separation” (used to justify a rigged vote) is of greater significance.
Where can the Better Together lot hide behind after this?
They have no answers, are ignorant of the Scottish contribution to the UK treasury. Tax receipts are only a minor issue as far as the rUK economy is concerned.
They would probably get away with borrowing an extra £6 billion or so to make up for there loss. what they won’t get away with is having to import £40 billion worth of oil a year from Scotland, billions in electricity and no longer having Scottish Whiskey as an “export” from English ports.
The balance of payments issue for them is the main problem. A Scottish pound would be worth 20% more than an English pound, that’s why in the short term at least there will be a currency union.
Could someone please upload this to youtube, for tivo or other smart doodads.
Loved the comments ,that,s one of the reasons I am voting YES, I admire the English ,they are the nationalists I know,
meant to for those without t’internet, but who have tivo…..
Whisky!
Is this our RevStu getting a mention in the Guardian before he became a Cybernat and no longer welcome?
For a more comprehensive round-up, you should head immediately to the Your Sinclair Official Top 100 Spectrum Games of All Time, which was persuasively and entertainingly written by Stuart Campbell. He put the motorbike-riding-through-forest thriller Deathchase at number one.
3D Deathchase better then Jet-Pac? Knew he wasn’t to be trusted.
AndyC another on the list was Jimmy Buchan of Trawlerman fame and failed Tory mp!!
Has anyone sent Naughtie a Wee Blue Book?
I was astounded at his quick and tenacious defence of Scotland’s economy, although, to be fair, I think Naughtie is probably more gobsmacked than me.
Do you think the Beeb have booked his bus ticket back to London?
The Mail’s poll seems to bring their series in line with other recent polls. There really isn’t much between the two sides now and it will fall to who is more committed. I will be impressed if it is a 85% turnout but if it is around the 80% mark and the Yes voters turn to, then we should win this.
That said when I speak to people at work the thing that surprises (and delights) me is how many Yes voters there are. More than the polls seem to suggest. There are No voters too obviously and we all rub along without the Armageddon that out of touch politicians like Douglas Alexander witter on about.
@Peter Macbeastie
Rumsfeldesque, I’m so stealing that 🙂
My mate wrote code for 3d death chase. V addictive. jet PAC hmmm not so eye bleeding exciting. Sorry #Indyref
I read occasional concerns regards vote rigging by the british state, isnt the referendum being run by our govt at holyrood? if so, more likely be rigged in our favour, which i wouldnt mind at all. The humiliation and criminality of being caught vote rigging should be enough to see an honest outcome i believe.
link to 4bitnews.com
link to inequalitybriefing.org
link to planningresource.co.uk
@Findlay Farquaharson
Tartan Tory has just put up a great post re the vote[set up/rigging etc]over on off topic. It is excellent.
@ CameronB
What a blight on the Better Together narrative. Great links. thanks.
Couple trolling tonight, one should have been banned already today for an earlier misdemeanour.
There is nowhere to hide we know who you are 🙂
Westminster and the BBC may be realising now that the hard knots of numerous lies of “No” have been unravelling for a little while…the rope is straightening out so fast that Westminster can’t keep hold of it. On the strength of this interview even James Naughtie seems to have let go and let the rope swing free. The big hope has to be that “Yes” will continue their efforts not to allow “No” to build barrages to prevent the turning tide of opinion for Indy from coming in on the 18th September. Scots must have their path kept clear to surf in on the crest of a vote of “Yes” to be able to keep the rope of truth free. If an as yet unseen or unconstructed barricade stops us and a vote of “No” results, it is clear from this interview that the rope will be re-knotted by the right wingers down South to hang us and there will be little that Scots can do to prevent it. We must keep working for a “Yes”.
That’s the most astonishing thing I’ve ever heard on Today. Up is down, black is white, etc
Jim Naughtie bristling with anger at his homeland being so maligned. Interesting times.
I had a quick look at the poll tables – looks like a majority for Yes from the 25-54 age bracket with the 65+ bracket skewing the figure.
Thepnr at 11 pm says:
Don’t wish to be a pedant but it really annoys me when proud Scots refer to Whiskey, Murdock and Gaelic.
To maintain our culture we most stick to Scottish usage.
On the latest opinion polls the 5% gap can be overturned by going out on the door steps contacting and speaking to all the undecideds.
Waffling on Wings,street stalls and leaflets don’t cut it.
@Training Day,
I’ve been sensing the same things as you mentioned re rigging.
Anyone with a postal vote should seriously consider turning up at the polling station on the day or changing it to a proxy before Sept 2nd (I think).
There is no way on god’s earth a million Scots have registered for a postal vote, not a chance.
@square haggis, unfortunately I have no option as I go offshore the day before!!
O/T
I hope I am not the only slightly right Yesser. For those of a similar bent, this is quite interesting
link to acting-man.com
@ANother Union Dividend
The street stall I was at last Saturday was giving out the WBB and had a fair few potential converts, so I don’t agree it was useless. (There are street stalls and street stalls, of course 🙂 )
Sorry 3 trolls on tonight, must have been party invites sent out 🙂 🙂
First of all I think Polly Toynbee is back tracking on her ‘No Jocks please we’re British’ because she was brought to task big time in the Guardian over those remarks and how did this square with her feminist, liberal credentials.
She made the mistake of most London-centric people in that she didn’t realise this was being broadcast UK -wide.
Secondly I think Naughtie is annoyed because this confirms the ‘back-lash’ of the English electorate and it doesn’t square with the ‘we are all British together’ mantra of the Brit-Nat Scot.
nana smith,
Looking forward to meeting ‘not Paul’ at the count, shame you can’t be there.
Name the trolls thepnr
@Taranaich
Notice when they try to compare Scotland to others for funding they never highlight the HUGE difference between London and the north of England. They give an average that masks the true drain of resources from everywhere, flowing into London.
The second misleading part in the spending argument is part of the “Scottish” spend actually funds UK/Westminster/English projects and we don’t really benefit or only a small part of what we put in is spend here – Trident (parked here to make sure the risk is far form London and costs us a fortune), military spend (including a navy that doesn’t even bother to park a boat up here), HS2 that will never reach us, London sewer upgrades, Westminster refurbishments, London crossrail, M25 upgrade, House of Lords refurb, etc. Spending that either doesn’t benefit the people here or which enriches people living down south (they get the jobs, contract and spending in their local areas). Constant construction and refurbishment alone injects huge amounts of money sucked from around the UK into these areas of England, a useful way for Lab/Tory to bribe the swing voter electorate in those areas or the wealthy business owners/party donors who get the contracts.
The third misleading part in that recording is the claim over “tax profit”, by which we can assume he means “surplus”. The borrowing and growing debt clearly demonstrate this part is simply not true. If you pretend ever increasing borrowing is profit then you’re in the realm of Enron.
I hope the folk in the north of England realise it’s Westminster that’s to blame for their plight and not the scapegoat Scots. At least after independence Westminster won’t be able to blame Scots any more, possibly even face having to admit the truth of the arrangement.
@Another Union Dividend
“Waffling on Wings,street stalls and leaflets don’t cut it.”
So other than criticising everyone posting here, working on stalls and ponding the pavements handing out leaflets. Just what is it you do?
Was at the Kinross Yes event tonight, and the opening slide of the introduction was the Wings ad about newspaper bias 🙂
@Training Day
The other two you might like to find for yourself. They are not hard to spot.
Capella
The Planning Resources link is to indicate this info is considered of commercial value.
@thepnr
You think I’m a troll? Ask Stuart Campbell.
Capella
Also note where the poverty and hence need is located. It ain’t in Scotland, is it. So where will our wealth go once needs based funding is introduced. Then think about a privatised DWP and NHS, on top of that.
Crushing. 🙁
Sorry, ??. Missed them. 🙂
Scottish Daily Hate Mail front page for tomorrow;
link to twitter.com
🙂
Would someone please put up a link to the egging of that lovely Labour Party gentleman today.
Needing some late night comedy. He is becoming a must watch at night, very addictive.
many thanks.
@Training Day
No way have I ever thought you a troll haha.
I’m calling out PeeGee the nasty swearing who would like to hang people and now talks of the Rev’s video games and Chitterinlicht who knows nothing about bookies odds and also talks of video games.
This article is a VERY serious piece showing the reality of what a NO vote means, the 3 I mention try to demean the whole article.
You just need to read all the posts, people will go off topic for all kinds of reasons but video games are not usually one of them.
Davidb
You are welcome here. There are people who see different roads in the new Scotland, but it will be a better democracy, and all voices will have a better chance to be heard.
O/T
Means absolutley zilch in the grand scheme of it all, but just searching ‘postal vote’ on Twitter – is very nice viewing, quite a number of people seem to have ticked Yes and sent it back.
Many of these when you look on their profiles have no Yes twibbon or any posts/tweets about Indy.
We will live in hugely INTERESTING TIMES.
3 WEEKS TONIGHT, FOLKS!
3 WEEKS!!!!
@Another Union Dividend
“On the latest opinion polls the 5% gap can be overturned by going out on the door steps contacting and speaking to all the undecideds.”
A 5% percent gap actually aquates to a very narrow victory for Yes simply because independence supporters are more inclined to actually vote than No’s. When you add into the mix the many pro independence disenfranchised voters who do not appear in these polls the outcome will be over 55% in favour of Yes and possibly pushing 60%.
@thepnr
My misunderstanding bud. Let’s win this.
Davidb
We are all under the same banner, so party politics shouldn’t really come into it, even though a lot might identify social justice as their main reason for supporting Yes. I know this site tends towards a left leaning attitude, but appearances can be deceiving. We are creating a new paradigm. 😉
Tartan Tory around? 🙂
So Mr Bones two points are that Scotland has to vote Yes, if it doesn’t want to lose oil and the NHS.
A No vote, in effect means the oil belongs to England and the NHS will be privatised.
That is a message that will not go down well with the undecideds.
O/T, had a catchup and conversation with one of my undecideds to ensure they had a WBB. Their lunch group had met today and the topic of discussion had been the referendum, everyone at the lunch agreed they were now moving to Yes. The reason being that after the last debate between Mr Salmond and Mr Darling, they still had not heard a positive vision for staying in the union. The vision and positives were all on the Yes side, i wonder how this is being reflected up and down the country.
OT
Those Survation poll tables are fascinating.
Its within the error in West Glasgow Central and Mid+Fife. Central has Yes ahead! Those are where it will be won.
Thats not to say the efforts in South Lothian NE and H+I aren’t useful. They will cut their No vote lead and make winning in the top 4 easier.
Got my first No who won’t vote – If I’d known what a palaver it would be I’d never have moved here!
I’m sure I heard Jim Naughtie’s sole swearing that he should vote yes (if he had one….) to escape interviewing eejets
Mind you it was doubles all round when the numpty for an english parliament backed the up YES campaign on its assertions about NHS safety.
I wonder if people are beginning to wake up to the real consequences of a No vote. Just as Devo Max is not in the ballot paper, nor is the status quo.
Been away doing bullet point presentation notes for Monday, coming out off retirement for a while…all this pension scare stuff. 🙂 So I missed all the news from tea time.
Anyhoo!
Well done to Naughtie, I’m moving him a peg up in my ratings. But the real gold is the content and a huge shocker for the DK’s who are swithering.
I heard a few seconds of the Radio Scotland news a wee while back. Cameron embarrassed by a speech by a member of the CBI at dinner evening tonight over Europe I think. Anybody up to speed with that?
@highseastim,
You may still have time to switch to a proxy.
I’m sure you still have up until Sept 2nd or 3rd.
he claims to be cross party org but fails to realize there is no longer any crossparty.
“they’re all in it together.”
the WM collective cognitive convergence, is that their subjects should keep them in a style/manor, that they have quickly become accustomed too.
he is selective in the figures he quotes coz he does not want to see the truth, afraid to be angry @ WM like a stockholm syndrome.
he’s in denial.
some say ignorance is bliss.
i feel this from craig murray is applicable here.
“I cannot begin to describe to you the incredible feeling here of renewal and of something like revolt, an upswell from ordinary people taking their own country back. It is astonishing. And never can most of an entire population so quickly have awakened from the propaganda thrall of the mainstream media. Anyone scared that an independent Scotland would still be subservient to a ruling elite should come here and just talk to people. It is the most marvelous and heartening experience imaginable.
”http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/st-andrews-speech/
Davidb
I don’t see why you would be concerned posting that here. I don’t agree fully with it but it’s not the worst I’ve read. 🙂
IMO, the companies expressing concern are simply voicing their shareholders are watching. They are pitching for opportunity and advantage. You might wonder why if they weren’t. And do they really prefer dealing with larger countries? Look at the pressure on breaking up eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa right now.
It’s a shame Naughtie wasn’t so keen to cut through bullshit when Wendy’s Brother was on. Just let him spout pish.
@PeeGee
TROLL!
@call me dave
link to newsnetscotland.com
Off topic but interesting. A page on Facebook calling themselves. Coatbridge museum did a poll on Facebook earlier and just posted the results. The count was 5020 votes and result was 80.7% yes and 19.3% no, that would be a nice result on September 19th 🙂
@call me dave
Front page on the Herald
“Cameron humiliated as CBI chief attacks EU vote plan”
link to twitter.com
Would that be the same CBI that supports No Better Together Thanks?
Haha beat me to it Square Haggis 😀
@ThePNR, if PeeGee is annoying you, use the contact form to update Stu. He doesn’t spend much time reading comments on here now as he is too busy, and be careful he doesn’t like people calling others troll on here, he is the judge on that matter.
Pee Gee: Fuck you Thepnr
This is the Wings site. We don’t talk to each other as if animals. You are looking for the Scotsman website down the corridor, and into the basement. We’re friends here united in a common cause.
We will save the NHS
We will build a fairer Scotland
We will win!
….and we will all remain active on wings,Bella,Newsnet etc to build something much, much better. I don’t want a mini UK.
This is going to be something special – stay involved.
@ David Cameron
Go on Dave, bow to your masters and rejoice in this nouveau retro age of British fascism.
Ot
Icy spark, massive Yes flag in Martha Place, Larkhall, near the rusty old 50’s car. given that you know the area, you,ll know where I mean. Also well done to the Yes guy I drove past I. hamilton earlier tonight.
Naughtie has woken up a little too late. still a twat.
Clootie says:
“stay involved.”
Just try keep me out.
after a few weeks of dodgy broadband speed.
i say hang adsl filters.
@X_Sticks,
Sorry bud.
You still looking for helpers?
Ok quite simple, I said I was “calling out” PeeGee as a troll for two reasons, his earlier post today on the polishing all the truth thread has now been deleted.
Can only offer this as evidence that it was ever there.
Robert Louis says:
28 August, 2014 at 2:20 pm
peegee,
Suggesting Douglas Alexander should be dangling from a rope, is not necessarily the best way to persuade people to vote YES.
Just saying.
Now I’m sure Robert won’t mind me using that as it is in the public domain.
My second reason is from this thread at 11:05pm
Pretty innocuous but all about video games and nothing to do with the article. Example:
“3D Deathchase better then Jet-Pac? Knew he wasn’t to be trusted.”
Meaning the Rev.
My third reason, didn’t know I had one is obvious:
Fuck you Thepnr. What’s wrong with hanging war criminals?
Explain dear cunt and call me a troll again and I’ll be hunting you down and terminating your miserable no voting life!
Whether PeeGee is a Troll or not, I don’t want his type posting on Wings.
Still not completely convinced this isn’t some elaborate parody. Incredible ignorance on show not just from comedy spending ‘research’ guy but Polly ‘I obviously don’t have a clue what DevoMax is’ Toynbee.
The amusing ‘sighs’ from Naughtie are a bit more likely to be because he knows just how badly this will play to scots listening rather than some kind of damascene conversion. Though god knows, that should have been more than enough to convince even him.
Scottish independence: Referendum votes ‘for sale’ on eBay:
link to bbc.co.uk
Thepnr
Seconded. OK this is a public open forum, but there is also a minimum standard of conduct and decency, IMO. Come out with that out on the streets and your likely to get cautioned, at least. Now I’ll probably get it in the neck. zzzzzzzzzzzz
Clootie
With you all the way.
Grouse Beater
I’ll vouch for that.
“This is the Wings site. We don’t talk to each other as if animals. You are looking for the Scotsman website down the corridor, and into the basement. We’re friends here united in a common cause.”
Virtual up tick for Mr Grouse.
@Thepnr/Cam B –
Thirded.
I saw the comment referred to, not long after it was posted.
PeeGee? You’re doing yourself no favours. As Paula Rose might say, ‘You’re being very silly dear’.
Jim
That ad was dated the 17th July.
Why are they only now doing something?
I smell sh1t.
I suppose we will know if internal polls show a YES swing underway if we get a last minute bribe of genuine powers.
If Scotland got to keep, say, a 50% share of oil money.. crown estate was devolved, along with a bunch of other tax and welfare powers, that could be enough for some people.
It would still be second best, but could prevent a neck and neck result and a big gamble that Westminster will lose control of Scotland.
Hopefully the emotional appeal of being a normal country, with our own place in the world, will pull us over the finish line.
@Square Haggis
Was hoping you might help out. Still needing help to cover the postal vote openings at Inverurie 9:30 until finished (see Tartan Tories recent post on O/T). Hopefully one or two days cover each should be enough.
If you fancy a late night on the 18th there’s room for another Counting Agent at the AECC.
Interested?
Id so, drop me an email colinizat (at) Hotmail (dot) com with your Full Name, address and contact number. Let me know what you’d be willing to do re time/transport/travel.
Well I could be wrong but the way I see it is Naughtie gave Eddie Bone a hard time because Bone also sees the break up of the Union as a good thing and possibly pissed Naughtie off when basically calling Scots scroungers!
Goodnight all – less than 20 days when I get up – We can do it. One more push!
(When I say one more the means until the next one more – you know the script by now!)
Cliches Scotched – grousebeater.wordpress
(Good word, ‘scotched.’)
@goldenayr
Just noticed that too, makes you wonder then how many have been put up for sale and actually sold.
The data tables for the new Survation poll show that the thing keeping the No vote afloat is the pensioner vote. We need to keep talking to our pensioners. Then we’ll get the Yes vote we all want.
I am back from the Veterans for Independence talk in Bearsden and have had time to watch the video recorded by Independence Live. A big thanks to Kevin and the crew all of whom were quite excited about the on-line take up.
I have watched the video and am not as embarrassed as possibly I should be so Im happy to post about it.
Im the old git with the white beard, wearing a black collarless shirt and clutching a WBB. I was wanting to give it a plug and had it bookmarked at the “Jobs in Faslane” page but it never came up. It is a pity that I only had the one copy with me. Several folk had clocked it and asked if I had any spare ones with me. I should have raffled it and made a good skin. 😉
Please take a look it is a bit different from the normal events taking place. Everyone on the platform were just ordinary ex forces folk except the one and only politician Keith Brown (SNP) who is a former Royal Marine.
link to new.livestream.com
Scottish independence: Cameron promises more powers for Scotland ‘soon’:
link to bbc.co.uk
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Someone please explain to me why this person is sayimg more powers yes and soon but flatly refused to have more devolved powers on the ballot paper?
@TMitJ
The Veterans for Independence was excellent. I agree it was (is) a bit different from the usual, but all the better for it. Some really moving and heartfelt testimonials from all concerned. Totally recommended.
Absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about, you did a fine job.
Bothwell castle, eh? We’ll need to compare notes on that playground sometime 😀
Night all.
Thanks for all the links to the PM getting his dinner spoiled.
I was watching Murray at tennis he’s doing fine. link for the interested.
link to footyfree.tv
@ Man in the jar, Kevin asked me to be there as I had the WBBs,but car problems stoped me from being there,you,s all do good.
PeeGee has surely posted a death threat ?
I trust police Scotland have been informed ?
@geeo
Not yet, he said I had to call him a troll again. Maybe he will issue the death threat tomorrow once he gets the message?
There are certain forces and individuals who want to break your back as well as your resolve.
I laugh at that them, they have no grassroots or friends hahaha. Those voting Yes know what they are doing, we are getting rid of them that abuse and threaten us.
I’m getting on a bit but I can handle their crap however it is served up, so bring it on. LOSERS.
Thepnr
Did you ever get that back rub from Paula?
I was taken quite aback by Jim Naughtie’s attitude in this broadcast, maybe there’s hope for him yet, however the abysmal performance of Wendy’s wee brother later this morning told me never to trust a unionista.
@CameronB
Don’t knock that back rub, it gives you a straight spine and you will stand tall.
ThePnr
Good on you buddy. The arse is a troll and an abusive one at that. So everyone lets ignore the toe rag and eventually he will get bored and return to his basement under the Scotsman building.
Now that is one shitty paper.
Man in the jar, vey moved by Veterans for Independence…heartfelt testimonies and intelligent discourse. I am so happy to be part of this incredible time in our history and that we have articulate, kind and sane people in our midsts…and there are more of us than them.
We are nearly there…
@ Thepnr I saw that post you are talking about. been deleted now. No need for it in the first place. Vote Yes.
The Man in the Jar
Ken’t y’re navy lad when he was a sublt.
I feel old.
Not got to you yet,had to pause when the lad broke down.
PeeGee
defo troll
needs reported
Here is a wee gem on how the Whisky industry is charged £3000 every time a British Embassy Promotes the Scottish Whisky Industry abroad.
link to businessforscotland.co.uk
Just WOW!
What a cracker that lad is.
I don’t think he’s left any doubt what the general level of knowledge or feeling is thanks to Westminster and the media’s narrative. These nutters have been primed. If we vote no those who fall in line with this mindset will be 100% behind whatever Westminster feels like visiting upon the Scottish electorate.
I have a cunning plan.
Let’s vote YES and disabuse them of their ignorant daydreams.
I want to know what “the ackshull figahs ah” means.
I have always been torn between two opinions about Polly (Squawking Nonsense Variety) Toynbee.
On one hand she seems to chime a cord with a section of the left and seemingly joined up writing but, on the otherhand she talks beyond nonsense.
She and Tam Dalyell occupy a wee wing of the socialism; the Secure Wing.
She even gets paid for being who she is, which is something I have singularly failed to do and she seems immune to common sense and criticism.
Best just to have a morning laugh and move on.
Conan
You just in, going out or posting from New Zealand?
I like your spam pornographers on your old posts.
Pee Gee
There’s a nice troll, go find and play with Great Big Billgoat Gruff.
or
Find a road with lots of traffic and play in it.
Survation poll
41.1% Yes
46.7% No
12.2% Undecided
DKs have been converting 2:1 for Yes, consistently.
Puts us neck-and-neck if DKs split 2:1 as they have been doing.
However, I believe Survation is a telephone poll and possibly will be underestimating the Yes following in demographic ED groups. Also, people who haven’t voted are before are weighted down in their algos and might tend to Yes.
Looking good.
Help quiclky
Anyone know how I can download the Naughties interview?
I have no internet connection and the local café is choc a bloc with market traders at this time of the morning and I can hear SFA.
If I can download it, I can hear in the peace and quite of ma wee flat.
Help!
BtP: I have always been torn between two opinions about Polly … Toynbee.
She is smart enough to acknowledge the movement for real democratic powers is a just one, but not generous enough to think it should result in self-governance.
Couple of interesting headlines this morn. Herald runs with Cameron humiliated regards the CBI criticising his EU exit threat to jobs and The Sun headlines a Better Together road rage attack on Salmond.
The Sun one is more interesting for it will no doubt spoil the NO campaign attempt to smear the YES campaign over egg-gate.
Will The Sun come out!
Once Scotland is Independent. Scotland with 25% surplus energy can invest in electric cars. 5 times cheaper to run.
Bring it in
No food banks. Vote YES
The Polls are fixed. Get your bets on for the food banks. Erase poverty in Scotland and the world. Vote YES
The papers are criminals. Vote YES
Thepnr, Grouse, and others above re: trolls
Firstly, I hope REV Stu won’t mind me saying this,
Thank you guys for calling this guy ‘pee gee’ out. Thepnr, thanks for sticking to your guns on it. I posted about it yesterday, but nobody seemed to notice (the comment I posted which you cited wasn’t a joke, in case you thought it was – I was trying to be polite, because REV Stu doesn’t like people getting called trolls). We can do without vile threatening behaviour like that.
We need to all be vigilant, as I posted yesterday, as I have noticed recently an increase in very aggressive/threatening type postings on this website by ‘new’ posters, masquerading as YES supporters – although the pee gee one was the worst I’ve seen. They occur almost randomly, but they are happening, and they are by posters few would recognise.
This may be a concerted campaign, until a sufficient number of such comments have been posted, then the opponents of Scottish democracy and independence will go screaming to the media about it, with screenshots.
Make no mistake, Wings over Scotland is very effective at destroying the bare faced lies of the anti independence campaign, the Labour party and Westminster, and there are some who might like to damage its reputation.
Heraldnomore says
“Or it might be back to normal tomorrow. The FMs on with the fragrant KwithanE.”
I (early riser) sat for a moment wondering if I had seen this Maori chic Ka-wit-han-E on the BBC
before I realised who you were talking about! 🙁
So, mr numbskull, sorry mr bonehead, oh dear, Mr Bone I mean
says rubbish when Naughty says Scotland puts in more than it takes out, then proceeds to say “you cant count the oil, thats UK oil”!
And surprise surprise he’s got the facts and figures to tell us sweaties EXACTLY how much largesse we get from England, but it would appear the “dog ate his homework” with the tax reciepts from Scotland bit on it?
wheres that tumbleweed gone?
I have a question Mr Bonehead,
oh Ive done it again oh well,
and its this,
link to en.wikipedia.org
Maybe you could read this over and, er, maybe give us your thoughts? no rush, we know, you being eh, a busy man an all.
Taranach says
“Good of him to actually show a modicum of honesty in acknowledging the reality of the NHS in the event of a No vote, though.”
Dont be daft Taranach he WANTS Scotland to bugger oft.
Heraldnomore says
“Meanwhile over at BfS GMK is on form with a letter on the charges for whisky promotions at embassies.”
I thought about why that is and I reckon it’s because just about all the Whisky distilleries are foreign owned, and the government cant be seen to subsidise foreign companies, just a thought, mayube I’m wrong.
Peegee @ 12.17
Oh dear someone needs his mouth washed out with carbolic.
Jim says
“Well I could be wrong but the way I see it is Naughtie gave Eddie Bone a hard time because Bone also sees the break up of the Union as a good thing and possibly pissed Naughtie off when basically calling Scots scroungers!”
No your not wrong Jim I think you hit the nail on the head, Naughty boy is not our freind.
O/T
after seeing the video of that guy egging Murphy,
Im not so sure my wife’s instinct (and her instincts are usually water tight) was correct, guy in a black jacket clearly looked like he could handle himself, eggs Murphy, and hardly a reaction from Murphy almost as if he was expecting it, and our freind sidles up a lane towards Tesco’s and no one trys to stop him in spite of the fact I could count about twelve Murphy acolytes? one of them was the bully who had a painful grip of that kids arm,
Now Im starting to think it was a false flag op as was asked of me yesterday, on the subject of the crowd, I spoke to a person with a yes jacket on handing out leaflets a few yards away from the melee and she was quite annoyed at thw behavour of the YES crowd heckling him ,and Im sorry but Im forced to agree with her, however its easy to allow the atmosphere (hostile) to affect you,
When Murphy himself wound the crowd up by taunting them saying “dont be ashamed of being nationalists, theres nothing wrong with nationalists”, knowing full well the majority of them wern’t nationalist,
A guy near me started shouting “Im not a nationalist Im a socialtist” but when the local cancellor sprayed a woman on an electric disabled buggy with spittle, shouting “Im a socialist”
I retorted “then why are you standing shoulder to shoulder with the Tories”
but (in a Brootherhoodesque style) 😉
my words were lost in a maelstrom of sound and fury.
One guy did get the point I made about not going to the Murphy soapbox rant with yes markings and changed his Tshirt but I was wasting my time trying to persuade the yes crowd to leave the yes material in the shop, they wanted to drive Muphy out of town and really all they did was make him all the more determined to stand his ground,
i’LL GIVE HIM THAT, HE MIGHT BE SHORT A A FEW BRAIN CELLS BUT HE’S NOT SHORT OF COURAGE.
interesting interview from our old buddy James Naughty i had to listen to it 3 times before my brain would accept it was really him and he hadnt been locked in a cupboard and a doppleganger was on the loose.
hehe but i guess maybe Jamie boy might finally be seeing the light and doing what any good journalist should be doing and that is searching for the truth and to hold those who lie to task,keep it up James and who knows me might even forget your past indiscretions regardless of how you vote or your personal convictions as all we want is the truth nothing more nothing less.
@Bugger (the Panda)
Right click on interview image above and ‘save link as’.
I know it’s Jim Naughtie but are we starting to see the “hold on a minute that’s my Country you are talking about enough is enough” is this beginning to happen surely a point must be reached when folk get so sick of it the FIF kicks in.
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ot/coming on right now people wee eck on RT with Sophie and Co discussing Scottish independence.
Most of Westminster/politicians, Press/Police are criminals. They get away with murder.
ouch sorry all i thought it was a new interview but its not damn RT and their repeats just about as bad as the BBC lol still it is a great interview worth watching again 🙂
@ Bugger
As ye ken, I much rather ‘take it to the enemy’ than post on here; obviously I lurk, but rarely feel the need to say anything.
It’s usually said before I log on.
Alert readers indeed.
I’m proud to be with you lot, I really am.
People need to see this.
link to derekbateman.co.uk
Go to Capella’s embedded vid about a third down the page.
This is what Westminster and the establishment is all about.
And if you are still in any doubt about what these bastards are all about, go here and hit play.
link to new.livestream.com
I defy anyone to vote no after watching both and consider themselves ‘proud’.
@ Macart
“Proud Scots” are usually anything but.
Re Camerons free lunch
When he says “independence is too big a risk when being part on the union PERMITS sharing risks and benefits” makes it sound almost like Maggie again,
” We the English are a marvellouis people and are very generous to the Scots”
Cameron: ”We the English are a marvellous people and are very generous to the Scots”
Did he then mumble, ‘even though the bastards don’t deserve it’?
Cliches Scotched – grousebeater.wordpress
Please pass it to those you know undecided or dithering.
@ John King
Did you get a good price on eggs in Kirkaldy?
Apologies if I have picked this up wrong, but are the postal voting instructions effectively telling people to vote No.
It wisnae me, big boys dun it an ran away .
@ Indy_Scot
Can you post the form?
I trust the egg that hit Murphy was free range.
wit someone hit poor old jim with an egg what a waste i could have had that for breakfast doesnt the chucker know he should have donated it to a foodbank ,as im sure Jim has plenty of cash to buy his own eggs.
I think Gary just got his arse kicked by Alex Salmond…
I am fair sick of hearing platitudes and meaningless fuckwitted sound bites from ‘proud Scots’.
I’m Scottish, I certainly don’t feel proud. I feel mainly used and abused, mugged and conned. Frankly I feel stupid for ever having voted for any establishment party in my entire life.
@Conan_the_Librarian
See my post yesterday 5.37pm. Pic of form.
Who ever he was, it was amateurish.
I’ve a box of six dated 2 AUG 07 in my shed.
Alas, Thatcher is deid now…
There is a photo on the Revs twitter account, just click on the twitter link at the side at the top of this page and scroll down.
Indy_Scot says:
“Apologies if I have picked this up wrong, but are the postal voting instructions effectively telling people to vote No.”
It is not the actual voting forms but rather it is instructions being sent out by the Unionists, they obviously hope it it will fool a few into filling out exactly as they instruct.
Hood: I find it hard to believe that leaflet is legal. Anyone know if there is a publishers name on it? There isn’t one visible. That is definitely illegal if so.
I am not sure of the actual form these instructions take, they may be within a booklet as I am sure I saw one person saying it was signed by Ruth Davidson.
Poultice talking down the survation poll.
From Wings twitter:
link to heraldscotland.com
Well, there you go then!
Not sure if everyone has seen but it seems the true identity of BT’s Patronising lady has been revealed.
link to twitter.com
Has poultice moved from being a pollster now to being a general political pundit and font of all knowledge for the BBC.
He is now defending the #patronisingBTlady advert. Suggested it might have touched a nerve.
Why is Prof Curtis viewed as neutral? He is a poster boy for UKOK.
Why does Gary Robertson of BBC Scotland GMS fame, go to all the trouble of inviting Alex Salmond into the studio, only to talk all over the top of the First Minister’s answers.
Gary Robertson comes across as a bitter, hyper active, unionist, who sees his job at Pacific Quay finally coming to an end.
He is a guy who realises that a new forward looking team with a vision for Scotland, will be brought into front the Scottish Broadcasting Corporation and he will not be involved in it.
Cheerio Gary, you will not be missed.
Indy_Scot,
seems there is some tiny text right at the bottom saying its printed for the Cons and Unionists, so that will make it legal I suppose.
see pic.
link to i.cubeupload.com
link to centralfm.co.uk
Call KayE with her usual fake callers at it again
Brilliant Indy_Scot
Already shared it on Facebook 🙂
Thats far too dark to read Hood.
Kaye Adams as bad as Gary Robertson for interrupting Alex Salmond.
You will probably find that all the callers to Alex Salmond will be Tory voting pensioners.
Hood, thanks for that. Still feels very wrong in a manipulative controlling way.
Indy_Scot,
totally agree but it is the norm from them, only way they have the slightest chance of winning is by fear and deception.
KaywinanE says to Salmond there is a body of water between Jersey and England when discussing the common travel area?
anyone?
I listened to the whole clip, but must have missed the part where anyone said it’s “England’s Oil”. I definitely heard Bone say that it’s “UK oil”, but nothing relating to the oil being England.
“I listened to the whole clip, but must have missed the part where anyone said it’s “England’s Oil”. I definitely heard Bone say that it’s “UK oil”, but nothing relating to the oil being England.”
He says it’s UK oil, then he says “England is the country that raises the taxes for Britain”. Therefore Britain’s taxes are raised by England, and the oil is therefore England’s.
Bone is a prat but he doesn’t actually say it’s England’s oil. He says it’s the UK’s oil. He does later on go on to say England raises the taxes. The headline should say that instead of ‘it’s England’s oil’. This annoys me as its a distortion of what was said. Just like the quote supposedly by Farage or some other UKIP MEP supposedly saying the English want revenge and taxes cut in line with the rest of the UK when it was actually Bone that said it. It does us no favours to misrepresent what was said and really annoys me, even if the people involved are loathsome. They have plenty of rope to hang themselves with already. Plus, we can do without the No camp blaming us for ‘yet more distortions’or ‘lies’. Leaver that to then to do.
As for Naughtie, he is like many unionist Scots – it’s ok for them to tell us we’re rubbish, quite another to have an outsider tell us we’re rubbish. Talk of him coming round to yes is just pie on the sky thinking, I suspect
As a fellow Portonian I’d like to say Kaye Adams is our shame.
I should qualify, I’m not saying Wings attributed that quote supposedly by Farage or some other UKIP MEP doing the rounds. It’s doing the rounds on twitter and even Bella had wrongly attributed it.
What Heather says.
Soft spoken Salmond this morning, oozing with reason, and gently batting away the questions and some daft questions too here and there. 🙂
Go for it AS we are all rooting for a better Scotland.
This is what Better Together DON’T tell you about the UK immigration problems.
The Daily Mail,
“Secret report warns of migration meltdown in Britain.”
link to dailymail.co.uk
Old lady says
is it not dangerous to move the nuclear weapons, is it not better to just leave them where they are?
FM on Morning Call just now:
link to bbc.co.uk
Alex doing sterling job of NOT patronising her.
@Famous 15. I would be very wary of useing the UKOK in reference to Prof Pumice.A very Respected & much loved Winger would get upset,were that UKOK site be abused.
KaywithanE repeats a comment
What will Alex Salmond do to combat the wave of anti English racism?
Why have the electoral commission allowed this misleading pamphlet, posing as ‘voting instructions’ to arrive in the post with the postal ballot papers?
I’m going to phone them and ask if I should follow the instructions and put my cross in the ‘no’ box?
Do they think it’s just possible some naive old (no disrespect) person might be tricked by this?
@JimnArlene says: 28 August, 2014 at 10:54 pm:
“BrianW, I’ll happily use my camper for such a use.”
Aye! JimnArlene, I pledged my VW Autosleeper van to the local group too. They are also ideal for use as mobile stalls and the extra batteries are great for tannoys.
Mr Salmond is doing a great job this morning – some of the callers and texts are cringeworthy.
@john king
KaywithanE repeats a comment
What will Alex Salmond do to combat the wave of anti English racism?
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Are you calling these people foolish Mr Salmond?
No Kaye, he didn’t say that, we know it, you know it so why infer it?
I recall a Radio Scotland interview with Poultice when Tony Benn said to him “you silly little man”.
PMSL
How come Alexander got an easy time with Louise White and the FM gets Kaye Adams nipping his heid?
@ caz_m the French Police are not stopping to illegal immigrants at Channel ports, its to costly for the French Gov,so they’re going to be more trying to get over the Channel.
Herald reporting Murray will play for Scotland if ther’s a YES. Who else would he play for?
Anyhoo! if true well done Mr Murray.
link to archive.today
Child Care focus today from FM. BBC “let’s put the boot intae that then”. Let’s twist an opportunity into a compulsion. FFS!
Anybody planning to try phoning in?
I think Naughtie is terrified that if we hear this we will vote Yes, that is why he is questioning so hard.
He is a Labour man who wants a Labour Government in Westminster and wants the resources of Scotland at their disposal.
Keep the Salmond radio updates coming!
Its England’s oil
‘A pound spent in Croydon is far more of value to the country than a pound spent in Strathclyde’
Do you agree? strength, power, broad shoulders UKOK punching above your weight,safety, security, part of something very iffy?
All quotes from the grand old teamGB
THe lin is telling me the file is corrupt for some reason not sure if its a problem at my end or not…
@Colin Church
Child Care focus today from FM. BBC “let’s put the boot intae that then”. Let’s twist an opportunity into a compulsion. FFS!
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Yeah, what do they get if they want to stay at home and look after their children
The incentives of free childcare are going to be there to help women get into work if that is what they wish.
This woman wants paid extra to stay at home and look after her own child.
Colin Church
Aye Kaye doing her best to pick away at it but Mr Salmond is up to speed on the nuts and bolts of the policy as well as the overarching principles. He’s doing fine.
Not a hope in hell of getting on Jim, I didnt even try.
I’ve tried many times in the past ,getting the researcher, being asked what my question is, and saying hang up and we’ll call you back, still waiting.
The world is a scary place when James Naughtie decides to defend his own countrymen versus an ignorant Eddie Bone and a potty Polly Toynbee.
OT
Unfortunately, there are still some posters who think they can “Trust a Postal Vote” despite having a “PROXY” vote available to them – until Sept 2nd.
Dead men voted in 1979.
SLAB ploughs the dead-see scrolls at every election.
Now that UKIP is again dominating the BBC’s airways when will they insist on a UKIP spokesperson appearing on a referendum debate panel as there seems to be a lack of Tory representatives as that is considered detrimental to the No campaign.
Grouse Beater
She is a true Patrician.
The only real people she meets are the office cleaner, the restaurant staff and those who look after her Tuscan villa.
The World exists to serve her.
Bet she can’t explain the offside rule either.
Its not even England’s oil really
link to en.wikipedia.org
Residency to get a vote question?
Old chestnuts being raked but hey, all grist to the mill!
Mr Salmond shrugs, what can I do, the UK government agrees
YAWN!
@ Jim (try phoneing in)I,m still waiting on the callback from yesterdays phone in.lol
@WantonWampum.
The world is a scary place when James Naughtie decides to defend his own countrymen versus an ignorant Eddie Bone and a potty Polly Toynbee.
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Naughtie doesn’t want the break up of the union so he’s attacking Bone on two fronts the second being he was insulted because the guy basically said Scotland’s people are subsidised by English tax payers. Cognitive dissonance at work right there.
10 years ish ago, I was at uni in London and one time in the Q for a cash machine near Marble Arch behind two frightfully nice young chaps, the first one had £375,000 in his current account. I didnt.
I wish the people on here would stop talking about these phony polls they are all a load of lies And you should have realised that by now ,and as I keep on saying they are only the results of the few people they ask they do not in anyway represent the views of the whole of Scotland ,but by keeping on quoting them you are helping to spread their lies please desist from doing so , vote yes
@ronnie anderson, john king
I guess I wont bother, lol.
A YES over a 1st pension question That’s good.
Lady with 2nd pension question. Agnes got her answer but still cannot accept it, too good to be true. Aye right!
Pensions hit out of the park by FM on GMS. Must be worth 1000s of pensioner votes.
link to nextleft.org
Dave Cameron enters the job market with a bang
“With no experience outside politics, he did what any old Etonian might do and worked his contacts. The mother of Cameron’s then girlfriend Samantha, Lady Astor, was friends with Michael Green, then executive chairman of Carlton and one of Margaret Thatcher’s favourite businessmen. She suggested he hire Cameron, and Green, a mercurial millionaire, obliged. The 27-year-old was duly recruited on a salary of about £90,000 a year (the equivalent of more than £130,000 today).”
Let’s not get too excited yet on our favourite tennis player. Whilst confirming he would gladly wear the saltire he also mentioned that, having followed the matter very closely, he didn’t think there would be a Yes vote, before firmly stating he was there to talk tennis not politics.
No doubt we’ll hear more of that bit as the day goes on.
Send Andy a WBB someone, or at least a download for we need the precious hard copies for those who have a vote.
@Jim says: 29 August, 2014 at 1:19 am:
“Just noticed that too, makes you wonder then how many have been put up for sale and actually sold.”
Is that from pre1706/7 or just this referendum, Jim?
The Paircel o Rogues sold their votes to get us into this mess.
@Blair paterson
I would say interest in the polls are just a psychological
thing, i.e, even though we know they can be manipulated one way or the other we still get a boost when they show an increase in our favour. I doubt anybody really takes what they say as a real gauge of public opinion.
@ Agnes getting her pension questions answered , thats another Gray area (where will the money come from for a OIL FUND ) Ginger bottles Agnes, an ah know a man that hiz a couple of spare crates.
@Robert Peffers
You are right Sir but the general population didn’t get a vote then so many more to sell when you take into account the whole electorate.
GMS now.
As expected much more belligerent questioning of Salmond than the gentle questioning of Alexander yesterday.
BBC advancing their unionist agenda as per their institutional bias.
Salmond coming across brilliantly, also as expected.
The reason Im not a politician,
Old woman sceptical about Alex’s assurances her pension is safe after independence as she cant see how a smaller work force can afford current pensions in spite of being assured the DWP have guaranteed it she still sceptical,
I finding myself shouting at the radio as to her crass stupidity roaring she didnt pay her taxes in the future but in the past when the UK treasury took her money so are 100% responsible for her pension to her death,
Oh god, roll on the 18th, I am losing the will to live.
link to ft.com
You have to hand it to call me Dave Cameron, he’s made quite a lot out of an awful lot
“Mr Cameron had a stroke of luck. His predecessor having lasted only a few weeks in the job, he suddenly found himself in charge of corporate communications, almost doubling his £49,000 special adviser’s salary.
Early in his Carlton tenure, David Cameron had a stroke of luck. His predecessor having lasted only a few weeks in the job, he suddenly found himself in charge of corporate communications, almost doubling his £49,000 special adviser’s salary
He immediately began using contacts made in his former role to introduce Mr Green to potentially useful politicians. On one occasion, at the 1995 Conservative conference in Blackpool, Mr Cameron arranged a dinner with a minister at a restaurant deep in the Lancashire countryside. Unfortunately, the minister forgot the invitation and the two men must have sat in uncomfortable silence.
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Yet even given his rapid elevation, the job would not have been seen as especially cove