Wings Over Scotland

Is it The Deal, Scottish version (link to en.wikipedia.org)?

Forbes gets the economy and finance so is free to pursue Freeports, economic liberalism, avoids the ‘progressive/social engineering’ agenda and SNP/Green transgender ideologues’ abuse ?

Swinney gets everything else?

“.. for reasons we’re not going to disclose here.” Oh the intrigue, you tease!

Sounds like Forbes will be depute FM and tees her up for leader of party after 2026 election. Whether then she is minority government or in coalition with Alba/ISP , or in opposition.
Swinney will retire on a fat pension.

I don’t think many people didn’t believe Wings…

Duncanio, do you think Forbes has acted unilaterally in regards to Freeports? Some basic research shows she was carrying out the duties she was tasked to do by her superiors, Nicola Sturgeon and John Swinney. Ushering in Freeports and SEZ are 100% the responsibility of the SNP, so every SNP supporter and voter (including me) is responsible for that.

link to gov.scot

STOP PRESS NEWS.

STURGEON RETAINS CONTROL OF SNP!

It looks like that from here.

The folk in Scotland must be the thickest and most apathetic in Europe but they might have a little excuse when they have to put up with such a corrupt police and legal and media system along with same civil service.

I do believe I may make up a wee, “I Believed Stuart” label to pin onto my fleece with a WOS “Hate” pin badge at each corner.
All I can hope is that the new candidate gets enough support to put a bitof a dent in the Party machine.
Two years of Nutella & Banana approving Mr Swinney supported by Ms Free Enterprise Forbes is just too depressing.

Be fair – you did say last time that Humza Yousaf definitely wouldn’t become leader. Wish you’d been right that time, too.

Forbes knew she had no chance as the Alphabet Queers would also bring down any Govt she headed up. The Quisling Alphabet Queers need to be purged from Holyrood.

I agree. No way does Kate Forbes want to face down the ‘gender woo woo’. Nobody does. So, Scotland’s female population – at least, the sensible part of it – will be betrayed yet again. Oh, we won’t forget this. What will they take from us next? The vote? Better not give them ideas.

I also think you are right about Neil Gray – the grey man – after listening to his spiel on Debate Night last night. His little stabbing motion at Mr Salmond’s ‘rehabilitation’ was ripe for reminding him that convicted felons are entitled to rehabilitation and those who are not convicted do not require it. The man is a decent enough sort outwith politics, but a nodding donkey.

I once wanted to be an MP. Thank the Lord that I never did become one. I wouldn’t trust myself not to turn out a right barsteward. Something happens to too many people when they go into politics.

That lot have all signed their own death warrants, speaking metaphorically, because the party will not survive 2026 except, maybe, as a vestige of itself, never again to taste power. Thank God. Where the independence movement goes from there, I hate to guess. Where is our modern Bruce, Wallace, de Moray, Lady Buchan, where?

Swinney has been the mastermind of nearly all of the SNP’s worst policies, he will snuggle up to the greens and the poisonous double act will continue to run Scotland. It will enable himself and all his mates to get another couple of years at the trough followed by nice pensions at the end. SNP are done!

Anyone any idea whatever happened to Joanna Cherry..remember when we thought she could be the next Alex Salmond?

There she was was shouting loudly about how :

“The ending of Bute House Agreement is a huge opportunity to reset our Agenda”
THEN
“The next leader must deliver change” ( and be selected by Members not grey Men in suits)

AND A CLASSIC:
“We must go forward not backwards!”

Now ..today….

“I applaud Kate and Johns decision to work together for SNP Unity!”

Tom Halliday says:
2 May, 2024 at 2:57 pm
“Duncanio, do you think Forbes has acted unilaterally in regards to Freeports? Some basic research shows she was carrying out the duties she was tasked to do by her superiors, Nicola Sturgeon and John Swinney. Ushering in Freeports and SEZ are 100% the responsibility of the SNP, so every SNP supporter and voter (including me) is responsible for that.”

I don’t know Tom it may well have been collective but she was the Scottish Government’s Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Economy at the time and she said this:

“I believe the agreement that we have reached, as reflected in your letter, is a fair and balanced one. I am pleased that you are now proposing to provide funding for two green freeports in Scotland, to be selected jointly by the two governments, at a level equivalent to that available in England”

when responding to the oleaginous, odious and cringing House Jock Michael Gove in February 2022 (see link to gov.scot).

How many members will the SNP haemorrhage in the next few days and weeks?

From gradualists to glacialists to Sturgeonite tectonics, all ‘moving’ on top of an asthenosphere of public sector corruption.
Still, it’s quite a nice day out…

I am, as I have said before, English, a Unionist and a Tory. I’m also disappointed in Kate Forbes. Maybe she doesn’t want to inherit the cup of cold sick that is Holyrood right now. Maybe she doesn’t think that she can face down the watermelons. Maybe she wants to untainted by whatever Branchform finds out.

But maybe, just maybe, she should have tried. Maybe, just maybe, she should have gone out there and said to the Scottish people “I don’t care how badly this Party is holed below the waterline, I know that I’m going to be the person whose name will be appended to the car crash of two upcoming elections and I don’t care because I’ll tell you what I believe to be the right and proper things to do. If the Greens don’t like that, then so be it and I’ll make deals with whomever I need to on an issue by issue basis. I will not allow the tail to wag the dog, ever, and if I can’t find those people then you can bring me down.”

A coronation is in the offing and it will not be pretty for the next few years. I admire Kate Forbes, for all that I disagree with much of what she says, but she has diminished in my eyes.

No way does Kate Forbes want to face down the ‘gender woo woo’. Nobody does. So, Scotland’s female population – at least, the sensible part of it – will be betrayed yet again. Oh, we won’t forget this.

I do fear as to what might happen in Scotland in the next two years, though the general election may well provide a clue as to how the electorate are reacting to gender ideology.

Swinney called himself today the “continuity candidate”.

Laugh? Cry? Puke?

I find this a bit strange. KF ran for leader just over a year ago and came a close second, probably won minus Murrell, and so why now Yousless is out the picture is she not the shoe in leader. You don’t even need to run an election it is so fresh still.

But no, and instead we get John Fucking Swinney. What!

I am guessing Swinney is in there to resign if and when the real shite hits the fan… then Forbes will take it to rebuild.

She seems nice enough but even ignoring all her ‘trips’ to the USA etc I just don’t see how she is the one to clear out the shit hole the SNP is today.

Two years of Swinney a.k.a. Sturgeon. She never really resigned.

Just look at how fast Yousless was out the door the second he showed a sign of thinking and acting for himself. His feet hardly touched the ground.

I am quite confident I couldn’t pick Swinney out of an identity parade, even given unlimited time.

But he still has a number of advantages over Yousaf. I won’t list them in case that would be hateful.

So I’m taking the win.

As for Forbes, if there’s one category of politician comprehensively and consistently worse than a Scottish male politician, it’s a Scottish female politician.

Sturgeon, Cherry, Slater, Oor Kirsty, thon Green besom, even Forbes’ record is outshone by the dimmest stars in the firmament.

When people say that Swinney is the best candidate for the job, I sadly see no justification for finding fault with their assessment.

Please don’t shoot the messenger.

Find those who have consistently and continually voted this shitshow into reality for the past 15 years or so, and have it out with them.

They made it happen. Ask them nicely to make fecking sure it goes away. And soon.

Wouldn’t it make a wonderful hypothetical plot to imagine that Ms Forbes ran for Leader last year not to win, but to damage the chances of Ms Regan winning. Thus allowing Mr Yousaf to slide in, albeit in violation of the SNP’s own electoral rules.
Which would account for her joyous grin and Ms Regan’s torn face when the result was given.
This year, the (failed) blast from the past, Mr Swinney is planned to inherit the position unopposed (kind of a deja vu feeling I’m having here) quite prepared to take any flak connected to Nutella & Banana illustrations for school children and to work with the Greens on any idiocy they seek to continue to introduce.
Ms Forbes on the other hand would be allowed to avoid any involvement with trans or woke policies, possibly even being allowed to abstain or even vote against the more extreme measures.
That way both wings of what remains of SNP support have their very own token figurehead to applaud, whilst our poor, broken country stumbles on as best it can.
But, it’s all just hypothetical.

Is Kate Forbes waiting till after the widely predicted heavy defeat at the Westminster election.

What’s the betting on the dark horse, Graeme McCormick, being suspended from the SNP before the vote?

Davidhannah @5.18 Oh dear. I don’t think that you are quite well. The people on this site all want independence some through the SNP some by other means. Please stop emailing yourself

You’re all wasting your time analyzing the SNP leadership race in terms of what the SNP desires.
That race will be determined by the Greens. They have an effective veto power over SNP policies. If the SNP does something the Greens disapprove of, the government falls, and the SNP MSPs mostly lose their sinecures.
As will (hopefully) the Green Party MSPs, who’ve also shown they value office over principles.

Towbar Sullivan:

Martin Kettle in the Guardian has been giving us his political wisdom on the SNP:

It’s been a bumper bonanza of Scottish stories from those London-centric cunts recently. Normally you will never find a single Scottish story, political or not (except “Tarquin, come up and see this lovely Scottish loch village for the weekend” middle class tourist shite) in that deranged fucking rag. Not one. You hear more about obscure African countries than you do about Scotland in the Guardian. They don’t care about Scotland AT ALL. Fuck them and their hyper-woke ultra-liberal poor-people-hating, Scotland-free rag. Forever.

Pretty much as the Rev predicted, return of the colonial gatekeeper, tho in reality he has been lurking and active in the background all the time.

Irrespective of who is handed the colonial heid bummer post the price of colonial plunder is still costing Scots £150 billion+ every year; so well worth whatever the imperial power is paying its numerous ‘colonial functionaries and watchdogs’ to keep independence at bay:

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

100%Yes@6.15 Stop it. If you are as your nomenclature proclaims you should not be doing the unionists job for them. The SNP have been at this for 75 years we have come from being dismissed as kilt wearing rabid Tories into main stream politics. I have been in the Party since the days of Wendy Wood Billy Wolfe and DR Malcolm Sessor. Why would the Party not support independence

First Minister of Scotland:white!

Sturgeonism is alive and well with the coronation of the latest continuity candidate John Swinney in the near future, it will be a quick coronation to save time and most of all money.

Another two-years wasted by the looks of it.

If swinney is the answer
What on earth is the question

“you should not be doing the unionists job for them”
Just change the record already. The ones who are doing the unionist jobs for them are the SNP itself since the parasitic Sturgeon took over. If she was a proper nationalist instead of a political fraud whose mission was to stop independence, Scotland would have been independent by now.

Who is fragmenting Scotland in chunks and selling it out in the form of freeports, some of which may actually facilitate fracking by external entities who will appropriate, yet again, of Scotland’s resources and Scotland will see not a penny from it?
That will be your party, the SNP.

Under whose watch is Scotland losing its only refinery?
That will be your party, the SNP.

Under whose watch brexit was foisted on Scotland despite Scotland voting overwhelmingly against it?
That will be your party, the SNP.

Under whose watch, despite Scotland being energy self-sufficient and being sending electricity to England for free, the Scottish people were paying at points even higher prices for energy than England?
That will be your party, the SNP.

How many millions have your party wasted in court cases directly or indirectly aiming to stop independence?

How many pro-independence supporters were arrested and subjected to malicious prosecutions and even imprisonment under the SNP?

If you are in the SNP then shame on you for allowing these criminals to abuse and sell Scotland out for 10 years, instead of delivering independence which is what they were elected to deliver.

“The SNP have been at this for 75 years”
And when they were given by the people of Scotland 3 majorities of MPs which they should have used to end the union instead of lining their pockets, being “at this” for 75 years is no ringing endorsement. It is an embarrassment. It is a testament to how useless as a party of independence the SNP have become.

“we have come from being dismissed as kilt wearing rabid Tories into main stream politics”

The last 10 years of toxic Sturgeonism and enforced devolutionism by Sturgeonites mean the SNP will not come out of this. They are finished, and about time. 10 years wasted, fascist policies pushed down our throats, millions if not billions of taxpayers’ money wasted in stupid projects and court cases which were lost even before they started, the suppression of our democratic mandates, the continuous plunging and sell out of Scotland’s assets during that time due to the SNP’s deliberate inaction and pandering to the gender agenda instead are all unforgivable and unforgettable.

” Why would the Party not support independence”
why don’t you answer that question, because we would like to know. You are a member of the party, aren’t you? So why isn’t the party pursuing independence and instead is pursuing keeping criminals and perjurers out of prison, lining the pockets of MPs and MSPs, generating careers for airheads and charlatans, facilitating the plunging of Scotland’s assets and destroying women and children’s rights?

When you have been given 3 absolute majorities of anti-union MPs and anti-union MSPs, supporting independence is not enough and it falls well below expectations. What you are expected to do as a party of independence is TO DELIVER independence. The last thing you are expected to do is to prolong Scotland’s misery for another 10 years while your MPs and MSPs line their pockets and accrue nice pensions.

So the next time that you consider offending someone who seeks independence with your claims that they are doing the unionists’ jobs for them, think for a second what exactly it is what your own party has been doing for the last 10 years other than doing the unionists’ and colonialists’ jobs for them. Don’t forget about the role of your party in Mr Salmond’s stitch up.

@ Mia: Have you forgotten that somebody else is aiming to stand for the leadership?

Graeme McCormick is gathering nominations – he had 40 this morning. He put his email on Yours for Scotland’s latest post today so that SNP members can contact him to nominate.

Graeme will be fairly well-known by the members as he has been on the NEC for years as rep for the West of Scotland [if I remember correctly]. He has also spoken at many party meetings on the subject of Annual Ground Rent [a means of raising income for the government].

Mia says

“I think it is time to forget about politics. It is clearly a con that is taking us nowhere and very much deliberately so.

We need another route.”

[sigh]

From the majority of Scots who want Independence, finding 100 or so who look presentable, have the IQs and confidence to answer simple questions in front of the cameras, don’t have an internet history of perversion and National Socialism, and are of sufficient integrity to not sell out the first time somebody offers them a bung, is an impossible ask?

Finding 100 or so decent, rational, committed, grounded Scots and standing them in most constituencies as “Independents for Indy” is beyond the capability of this country, nation and people?

I honestly don’t know how to square this level of defeatism with the supposed hunger for Indy and the supposed riches that would be ours if we just made the effort.

It’s like looking at a drawing by Escher. It just doesn’t make sense.

Mia @ 7.47pm.

Gaun yersel’ Hen, that is possibly your best post on the site. You nailed it.

“@ Mia: Have you forgotten that somebody else is aiming to stand for the leadership?”

I was not aware of this, my bad. I wish Mr McCormick the very best of luck and success in his pursuit. I have no doubt he would make a better leader than Mr Black Pen. But if I am to be realistic and honest, I do not think he stands a chance to win.

And I do not say this because of lack of ability. I say he does not stand a chance because the Sturgeon cabal appears to have now become desperate and they need their man in, so they will not let anybody else anywhere near the podium.

By the look of it, the cabal also have the press on their side, so it seems Swinney is also the candidate the British establishment wants to see as FM of Scotland for the next 2 years. I wonder why.

The cabal had to be desperate to somewhat force Yousaf to resign. He clearly was not jumping on the lid strongly enough for their liking and perhaps he was too much pro-Palestine for the establishment’s liking.

Despite all the huff and puff from Harvie with regards to the Bute House Agreement, everybody seems to have forgotten that if Yousaf had kept that agreement in place, the VoNC against Harvie would have moved forward. So I am not sure until what point what we saw from Harvie was just theatrics, collusion and an excuse to bring Yousaf down and swap him for Mr Black Pen. For the cabal the tantrum of the greens was convenient, as the deposition of Yousaf could be blamed on them.

That they are desperate is also evident for how they are organising this leadership context. The conditions and the little time they are giving to gather nominations.

Forbes was, in my opinion, the most popular candidate in the last leadership context and should have won. At the time the results were released, and speaking from memory, I looked at the votes each received and the second preferences and I noticed something odd on around 8,000 single votes for Yousaf. These single votes is what gave him the victory. If it had gone to second votes, he would have lost. Bizarrely, none of the other two candidates appeared to have a comparable figure of single votes. Also, at some point during the contest, Murrell announced the percentage of votes they expected, but at that point, the belief was that the membership was much higher than it really was. Turns out that the percentage of votes obtained remained the exact same despite having lost tens of thousands of members and the number of eligible voting members being much smaller. It did not add up and at the time I had the suspicion the vote had been rigged to push Yousaf to the post.

I think we all know Swinney is not that popular a candidate, and given his nefarious record as leader of the party, he should have never been endorsed again to stand for leadership, unless those who are endorsing him want the party to lose at the upcoming election.

Yet, to ensure he is the man fronting the party during the GE, they have somehow got Forbes to endorse him by teaming up with him. At all practical effects what the cabal appears to be doing with this is to use Forbes membership votes to endorse Swinney, in other words, ensure he wins. Frankly, shame on Forbes for playing this coronation game.

I have not a shadow of a doubt that if this is still not enough to secure Swinney the leadership, another 8,000 single votes for him will appear out of nowhere to secure his win as it happened with Yousaf.

Sad as it is, I think participating in this leadership contest when you know you are being set to fail does nothing else other than giving legitimacy to this coronation and the foisting of another member of the Sturgeon cabal down our throats without voters being given the chance to choose.

But that is just my opinion.

What I do wonder is what is coming when the Sturgeon cabal and the BE are so desperate to have Swinney in place.

@Brian Doonthetoon 8:51pm
Good to hear your very much alive and kicking for Independence. Your team is doing well. My team has been promoted so the Dundee Derby is back on. I am rather depressed about the political scene in Scotland. If John Swinney is the answer we are asking the wrong question. Mainstream policies until they get elected again then the pervy stuff will out again. A broken 33 record.

@ Mia: I agree with you that the SNP internal procedures are rigged – I wondered btl what the betting was on Graeme McCormick being suspended from the party before any vote was held. Already HQ are putting obstacles in his way – his 100 nominations have to be delivered to SNP HQ by Monday. Scanning the forms isn’t acceptable apparently – they must be the originals. Well at least Graeme is on the mainland, I believe, so it is just about feasible – but it will be difficult and who would be surprised if some of the nominations were deemed irregular in some way, or suffer an accident in Jackson’s Entry?

Nothing that Scotland actually needs to be done, will be done by the current incumbents. Every single MSP [and MP] knows that something criminal has been done by some people, and that the party’s raison d’etre has been abandoned – yet only 4 have left the party. No-one is kicking up a stink in any way whatsoever. Oh apart from Joanna Cherry and that is mainly apparently on the one personal issue.

As it stands the SNP aren’t worth voting for or paying attention to. The current parliamentarians and staffers must be cleared out.

Yet I know there are still many decent members and there is a sizeable number of voters who will vote SNP at an election so it would be good if they could possibly be retained as part of an electoral compact. And they must also brought into the Liberation.scot campaign – this direct democracy route will end the power of politicians and thus improve the quality of all our lives.

“Mark McGregor
Ignored says:
2 May, 2024 at 2:42 pm
“.. for reasons we’re not going to disclose here.” Oh the intrigue, you tease!”

I wouldn’t be astonished to learn she’s pregnant. In pig. Bun in the oven. As I understand it she already has one baby and three step-children. She lives three hours from Edinburgh. I could quite see her not wanting to be FM just yet. She’s presumably intelligent enough to know she might never get another chance and also to know that careers are overrated.

After 30 years of voting for the SNP at every single election, (I’ve been a party member for last 20 years), for the sole reason of gaining independence for Scotland.

I’ve decided to join the ALBA party, as I’m convinced they show more ambition and determination to drive the 10% vote swing we need to achieve this.

I’m so sick of what Holyrood seems to have become; full to the brim of self- serving chancers with their snouts in the trough of the public purse.

Who, in their right mind, would choose to be a politician??

Like everything else, the SNP took the concept of Freeports, and whether good or bad, they managed to make it even worse, by clagging on misanthropic and poverty crushing climate scam bullshit on top.

Mia @ 9:18 pm

“so it seems Swinney is also the candidate the British establishment wants to see as FM of Scotland for the next 2 years. I wonder why.”

Ex MSP Campbell Martin explained why in his books suggesting that Swinney helped remove people from the SNP parliamentary groups who were serious about independence, replacing them with useful idiots content to maintain the colonial racket; that has been one of his main roles it seems – as gatekeeper:

link to campbellmartin.blogspot.com

I’d love to know what the British Establishment has on Sturgeon to turn her from an independence firebrand into a ("Quizmaster" - Ed) lackey of the Unionists

There’s got to be a story worth exposing there.

I actually can’t believe anyone would still be able to have loyalty to any particular part . I listened to the VONC debate and was left bankrupt of any hope . Still undecided about independence but placing that issue aside it felt as though all intelligence had left the building .
I was looking to hear some reasonable debate with the Scottish electorate at the core . But not a hope .
We are being ran by people who have no real work experience or life experience. Live in echo chambers and sole goal to be popular.
They seem so far removed now I think they might get a surprise at the turnout .
Democracy seems to have slipped away , evaporating before our eyes .
Minority parties deciding the leadership of majority parties !!
Now a coronation not a selection . All of this suits leadership only .
Then we get to embezzling and corruption. My hearts belief this entire show is a smokescreen . Well placed people to prevent justice . Why would I vote for corruption, career politicians or popular seeking celebrities. I don’t wish to see them get fat pensions on my deep disappointment in their capabilities.
Something is deeply wrong about current politics at every level .

Mainstream media is in a tidal wave reporting that John Swinney is the man, that he is to be the next First Minister.

So there you have it. His appointment within less than 24 hours of him saying he will stand is confirmed as a done deal.

Tells you all. Tells you that he’s the Brit placeman. Tells you why the SNP is an utter charade.

Disheartening and depressing. You can’t blame Robin McAlpine for his latest very downbeat assessment. I nearly abandoned plans to join the AOUB march in Glasgow tomorrow, but there’s an element of “stuff you SNP” in my attitude now.

Can the members/MSPs change anything at their conference – yes, clutching at straws, I know.

Hatey mcwhatever…

Clearly you’ve never been to Gibraltar.

The mega cockup so called pro independence politicians have made ought to make people «blaze with positive, productive anger».
It does appear that too many prefer to moan rather than take direct charge of the matter.
Looking to those who caused the cockup to resolve it is the response of the supine.
The politicians and their cliques have had their chance, and not just in Scotland.
Intelligent democracy or the headless mob?

Anyone following world politics & events will know why puppets in the SNP suddenly became stupified & dropped independence when Salmond was defeated in 2014.

The UN security council. The UKs veto & the Americans hegemony.

Wouldn’t matter what dud was elected next to run the glorified talking shop in Holyrood. The result will end the same. Another puppet who will do as they’re told to derail independence even if they had 100% support for it.

Indy will only ever be used to buy elections & kill everyone’s time reaching for the never ever.

Indy folks needs to drop the politicians. They won’t deliver independence. They’re just collecting a salary on the never ending gravy train.

I’m disappointed that Forbes isn’t going to run. John Swinney has been at the heart of the SNP leadership for decades, and so must receive a large amount of blame for the problems there’s been. I don’t believe in rewarding failure. not that Forbes is that much of an outsider – she was part of the cabinet until last year – but the leader is always going to be an insider of sorts. last time around, I was swayed by the notion that Yousef was a ‘safe pair of hands’ and that turned out to be a chimera. I don’t believe either in the notion of a “caretaker leader”. I want the SNP to stay in power, and I believe that with the right leader, that can happen. there’s more than enough time for someone to turn things around

The “British Empire” was taken over by another Empire. The American one. In every country. In every election. In every military operation. In every currency. In everyone’s face with over 750 “bases” throughout the world.

They seemingly won it from the Brits for WW2 even tho they didn’t fcking win us WW2 LOL!

Why do you think the Brits are still half way up their arse looking for scraps & favour?

Looking at the willful destruction of the EU nations, at the behest of American interference, I believe Brexit was already decided before a vote was even cast for it.

It is tempting to be downhearted. We are in a shit situation that is for sure.

But I would say we are far from alone.

Do you really think the people of England have a real choice at the ballot box. Look what they did to Corbyn, not dissimilar to what they did to Salmond.

Is there any Western leader that is remotely representative of their populations… Hungary maybe but for how much longer…

We are just not allowed democracy anymore, it has been taken away because things like truth and justice are poison to their little project. So we have to get rid of them along with free speech.

It should be a sobering thought that the SNP’s so called hate bill, were it in the US, directly contradicts the first amendment of the US constitution .

That is how shitty and insidious that bill is. The first amendment no less. But what did the founding fathers know about freedom and democracy eh… The SNP knowz better.

I think this is a democracy deficit that is endemic throughout the West as the sponsor of it all is fundamentally undemocratic. (The US is also a victim.)

We are really seeing the mask come off now. Because of the lens. Everything is coming into focus for those who don’t look away. But many will…

Vivian O’Blivion @ 9.41am

‘At this point, the smallest unanticipated stress could bring the whole edifice to collapse’

I have to agree that this is a far more likely outcome than Andy Ellis’s ‘We can’t expect the SNP to dissipate overnight (more’s the pity!)’.

Your post on the previous thread pointed to the latest YouGov WM poll where SNP is on 27%, which would give them just 8 seats. That polling suggests that they will get around 500,000 HR votes and a LOT of seats. But that was 2 days ago, and since then SNP has gone from shooting themselves in both feet to doing similar to kneecaps.

And with so many negatives yet to be revealed, the points you make on the loss of short money, further guaranteed losses of membership dues, and Swinney, it all amounts to an irresistible assault on 3 fronts: more revelations of potential criminality to come, financial woes, and incompetent leadership.

After the WM GE results are known, I cannot see any circumstances that enable SNP to continue until May 2026.

MaryB

Exactly.

The UN security council is the veto they’ll not risk losing.

It gives free reign to those other lunatics.

If ICC & ICJ fail to act on recent events the whole empire will come crashing down & the UN will fall along with it.

Best thing that could happen. It’s also corrupted & the courts may just show they are too. The tail owns the whole shabang. Even to the point a foreign political party now thinks it can interfere in the USA constitution & it probably will because money talks.

Mac

You are correct. No one seems to get what they voted for. Not just Scotland but everyone else in the west too. That’s by interference & design. People are finally seeing the manoeuvres because they’re so arrogant they hardly attempt to conceal it any more. The EU also seem on a mission to eat itself with craziness lol despite their mandates, public opinion & even the damage to their own economies.

Ebok
Ignored says:
3 May, 2024 at 10:12 am
Vivian O’Blivion @ 9.41am

‘At this point, the smallest unanticipated stress could bring the whole edifice to collapse’

Agreed. The dam is seriously cracked now and it will definitely burst sometime. It’s holding for now (they are trying hard) but it’s unsustainable, and when it finally goes, it could be spectacular. Popcorn ready and waiting.

“it all amounts to an irresistible assault on 3 fronts: more revelations of potential criminality to come, financial woes, and incompetent leadership.”

Agreed (all three). The financial woes in particular may have been behind this massive effort to avoid an election. Do the SNP have anything left in the piggy bank to fight one?

PS: A fourth front? The independenistas. The SNP have failed spectacularly to do what the people elected them to do (not even close). They focussed instead on what people did not elect them to do (and hate). Many genuine independence supporters won’t even look at them now because of all the unpopular woke green nonsense they have been pushing.

And this leaves their so-called raison d’être (independence) exactly where in the scheme of things?

Its been a decade of SNP broken promises and laws criminalising people for thought crimes! Scotland is a legal basket case now.

I will never vote for them. They can put indy front and center and make it the first word on their manifesto but I do not believe them to deliver anything except distractions,failures, and front page indy-carrots.

There are members of the Labour Party who think its a workers party and don’t realise that the Labour is so far so the right that Margaret Thatcher’s government is currently to the left of them. The SNP is in a similar situation. Their supporters don’t realise they are now a fully fledged unionist party touting for peerages and expenses in London.

If you should want to know who & what really pulls the global strings read the book reviewed below.
link to npr.org
Those in Scottish politics who fail to intellectually ingest the true nature of this new order are purblind to its dehumanizing effects.
Ought to be on everyone’s reading list.

“Do you really think the people of England have a real choice at the ballot box. Look what they did to Corbyn, not dissimilar to what they did to Salmond”

I do not think the people of England, Wales or NI have a real choice at the ballot box because I do not believe the UK is a democracy. Until 2015 it was a pretend democracy. For Scotland, all pretence was abandoned the day the political fraud announced that, despite having polls showing the SNP would win by a landslide, “a vote for the SNP is not a vote for independence or even for a referendum”.

Everything we have seen since that day points to the SNP having been deliberately used as a wrecking ball thrown against the independence movement and as a tool to frustrate, rather than deliver, our anti-union mandates.

The political party system is not being used to deliver democracy. It is being used as a tool to deliberately frustrate democracy while keeping voters thinking the disgusting policies forced down our throats and the denial of our democratic rights are somewhat our choices.

I find it very revealing that the three major political parties: Conservatives, Labour and the SNP have been subjected to a very similar, if no identical, infiltration process which follows the same modus operandi to get rid of the popular choice and which results in the exact same outcome: a party shell.

In the case of the tories, they go rid of Johnson so they could install puppet Sunak. Members never got the opportunity to elect Sunak as leader.

In the case of labour they got rid of Corbyn so they could install puppet Starmer. I do not remember a contest where voters could actually elect Starmer, although I may be wrong.

In the case of the SNP they got rid of Salmond so they could install successive puppets like Sturgeon, Yousaf and now Mr Black Pen. Given how delicate the situation is in Scotland and that any perception of frustration of democracy will result in further support for independence, in the case of the SNP they tried to pretend the process was democratic. But Sturgeon stood unopposed for the leadership contest, so there was not a choice. In the case of Yousaf, we all know how it went. They had Forbes to divide the pro-independence vote and still had to bump up Yousaf’s vote with some 8,000 rather dodgy votes. Now we have the coronation of Swinney, whose track record proves is a very unpopular choice as leader. To get him to the podium, the cabal are exploiting the membership’s support for Forbes so they can effectively transfer Forbes’ votes on to Swinney. A dirty move aiming to frustrate democratic choice and secure the coronation of their inside man under the guise of “a leadership contest”.

The three parties are experiencing the exact same process of “regime change”. These three parties, which should be in diametrically opposites sides of the political spectrum, are now occupying the exact same area and their policies, particularly foreign policy and neoliberal economics, are virtually identical with only minor cosmetic variations between them so they can keep different brands.

Incidentally, the “regime change” applied to the political parties has resulted also in a “regime change” being applied to the UK. This cannot be any more obvious than the regime change we are seeing in Scotland since Mr Salmond stood down.

That the three political parties are effectively selling the exact same toxic product tells us two things:

1. this isn’t a democracy, it is an autocracy, absolute rule
2. There is an entity superior to political parties that is actively manipulating and controlling, possibly via infiltration or blackmail, those political parties so they effectively become the exact same product with the exact same flaws and as far removed from what the public actually want as possible, but sold under different brands to maintain the illusion that voters have a choice.

The immediate question to ask here is who/what is that entity that is manipulating and controlling UK political parties against the interest of the voters and that is deliberately frustrating democracy.

There aren’t an awful lot of entities that can be above the political parties. So it either is an internal high profile actor, like the crown, or an external one, like a foreign government or secret service.

So who has destroyed our political parties for its own benefit, who is currently controlling and coordinating them, who is making the UK a dictatorship and who/what is the entity that is actively frustrating Scotland’s independence?

Who is the entity MPs and MSPs are working as useful idiots for?

Is it the crown, is it USA, is it TelAviv, are the three of them working in collusion, or is something/someone else?

If there is something clear is that Scotland will never restore its statehood through a rotten to the core political system which has been totally manipulated under the control of an external entity and has been deliberately repurposed to work as a tool against popular choice.

If we want independence, we are going to have to bypass this corrupt system, this dictatorship in disguise, and more importantly, we are going to have to bypass the evil entity that is frustrating our democratic choices.

We cannot bypass what we don’t know what it is. The first step is therefore identify who/what is behind this “regime change”.

They say light is the best disinfectant. So let’s use it. For starters, let’s start demanding answers.

Anyone advocating SNP 1 and 2 on here is deluded.

At least make your second Holyrood vote for an alternative Indy candidate whether independent, ALBA or ISP.

Otherwise, you’re simply ushering more unionists.

Hoped Ash would have burnt (pun intended) this current shambles down.

fruitella the hun 12:05
link to archive.ph
It would appear that Scottish independence is in no ones interest except China and Russia. An iScotland would become Albania.
May explain why the SNP is no longer really interested and wants to make babies with Nato.
A collection of plump turkeys waiting for Thanksgiving?
Azeem Ibrahim, a Scot, founded this link to scotlandinstitute.com

Mi a,

Of course the one solution to the lack of democracy in Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland is the “Great Reset button” , perhaps not in the way Globalists imagined.

The binding connection is the treaty of union, If that falls, all four Countries are released from the farce of Britains styled political democracy.

Treaties and agreements made under the logo of Great- Britain and the united kingdom would be Scrapped.
The gender policies, the WHO treaties which steals Sovereignty of a persons body and sovereignty of their Country, the Hate Crime bill, the Ulez schemes, the war treaties,
The finance and austerity rip off, the global finance structure, the climate change ideology, the restrictions on our Countries farmers growing that want to grow our own foods supplies, including all our fishing returned, the Nato wars, bye bye to free ports, borders and lack of immigration control, it would be would returned to each of the four Countries,

Just about everything we object to as people in our own countries right now on these Isles , could have a new beginning, a political reset to democracy for the people,

Nearly all of it is linked to the united kingdom/s of Great Britain, the Old British Empire, and the dodgy treaty of union,
Britain needs a great reset button for the sake all the people.

Mia,

Have you read the parliament of Englands Act of Settlement, on the UK parliament site 2024?
Both Englands bill of rights and England Act of Settlement are still Still in force today as Englands constitution,not Scotlands, or Irelands.

The Crown of England, ( not a shared or united Crown with Scotland ) but the crown and parliament of England (EXTENDED) their Crown- to- Scotland in 1707.

The problem here is that it was the Crown of England (not a shared monarch) that did both sides of the negotiation treaty of union, and gave Englands Royal assent to both sides,

It was only suspected that something was amiss, but the UK parliament admit here that the Monarch of England was not the shared monarch with Scotland,

The crown of England rules present day Britain.

Mia

“Is it the crown, is it USA, is it TelAviv, are the three of them working in collusion, or is something/someone else?”

The last two.

The reason all parties sing from the same hymns sheet is because of the NGOs & lobbyists. They’re in all camps pushing the same bullshit so that no matter who wins the hot seat it’s the same bullshit but under a different colour rosette.

Yvonne Ridley wrote about this a few years ago when Corbyn was given the push & the UK government signing up wholesale to the IHRA & Sturgeon was pushed to do the same in Holyrood though she never officially made any statement in Holyrood that I’m aware of but she did to the media. That’s another problem we have. Governments signing up to secret shit. Who knew the UK government signed us up to a 2030 roadmap for bilateral relations to *you *know *who now stepped up to ‘an accord’ lol

Not put to parliament. Nope – just signed up to by whom??

As for Starmer – he was elected by the membership. A wolf in Corbyns clothing to win. Then promptly ditched the policies & the membership once he did to sing from the same hymn sheet as the Tories.

This is a common theme happening across the EU too. Eejits winning mandates & then promptly ditching it to go off on a tangent no one voted for..

Interesting times ahead because the EU thought they were buying into the protection racket..LOL. That protection has ended up being sweet fck all lol. The great Oz has been revealed to have nothing but a big mouth. As all bullies do.

That of course does not unite two kingdoms,

And the treaty of union did not unite two kingdoms,
It only Extended , the bill off rights and Act of settlement into Scotland to make a Englands Crown monarch the monarch of Scotland after the treaty of union was signed.

Between 1701 and 1707 Scotland refused to acknowledge the Hanover monarchs of England as their monarch of Scotland,
That was what the Scottish Act of Security was about,

From the BBC:

It’s a sorry state o’ affairs whin the Scots hiv tae ask anither country tae build a haunfu o’ wee boats fer us

So who is going to be Starmer’s puppet in Scotland? Sarwar or Forbes?

Tony Blair and His Associates Are Waiting in the Wings to Take Back Power in UK, by Nick Corbishley on Naked Capitalism.com, link to archive.ph

@ Northcode

May need to call in some foreign assistance to sort this broken village sewer pipe…
It’s been 10 weeks today since the fault was reported.
It’s a total fucking comedy observing the various organisations involved in attempting to resolve the matter, which a couple of blokes and an excavator could have done in a day.
Quality Polis stylée “Engineers” wondering why the river level has been dropping significantly but the backwater level was rising… Hey lads, you may want to walk a hundred yards and you’ll see the beaver that undermined the sewer pipe foundations causing it to fail, has now built a dam which is why the pipe is still under 18″ of water…
It appears someone who isn’t me has removed it for you so you can maybe get on with fixing the pipe seeing as you’ve spaffed away over 1/4 million quid and achieved nothing positive so far.

Willie@ 1.31 “turned the SNP into an Anti independence party” Oh come on . That is utter rubbish. Independence is why we activists get up in the morning. Incidentally if Alba were pro independence why did Ms Regan vote against the largest pro independence group in Holy rood

“So who is going to be Starmer’s puppet in Scotland? Sarwar or Forbes?”

Starmer as well as being the leader of Labour, is also a deep state member he has close ties with the English security services, Starmer is a known member of the Trilateral Commission (as is Sturgeon) you can’t join it you need to be invited to join.

As head of the CPS he failed to prosecute Savile, he threatened the Swedish authorities when they attempted to drop the false charges against Julian Assange.

He played a significant part in bringing down the socialist leader of the Labour party Jeremy Corbyn, in what was one of the biggest ever smear campaigns/character assassination in the world never mind the UK.

The above is just the tip of the iceberg on what Starmer is capable of, in my opinion there’s no difference between Labour and the Tories anymore.

Turabdin @ 1.13pm
Do you think Azeem Ibrahim is accurate in what he says?

Lizzie – Alba voted against the SNP government for the very reason that they are a pro-independence party. They wanted to effect change. You don’t do that by propping up the devolutionist party. The do nothing party need to be removed. Or we will still be having this conversation in 2030!

This idea that it’s mandatory to vote with a so called independence party just because they are in power is wrong. You vote with the evidence presented to you. Not the hypothetical mirage of ‘Jam Tomorrow’.

Going by the English Local election results so far it is obvious that the English haven’t rumbled the Greens there yet. The English better get to buying up the Vaseline.

Alf Baird says on 3 May 2024 at 12:16 am:

“so it seems Swinney is also the candidate the British establishment wants to see as FM of Scotland for the next 2 years. I wonder why.”

“Ex MSP Campbell Martin explained why in his books suggesting that Swinney helped remove people from the SNP parliamentary groups who were serious about independence, replacing them with useful idiots content to maintain the colonial racket; that has been one of his main roles it seems – as gatekeeper.”

Not that long ago an article appeared on here by Kenny MacAskill (i think) where he referred to knowing of one SNP stalwart who, at the end of a working day, would have 2 BritNat journos waiting outside his/her office for her/him. And all 3 would head off to some pub for drinks on a regular basis.

I wonder if that was Swinney? The implication in the article seemed to be that the individual in question, whoever it was, could not and should not be a trusted indy operator. For various understandable reasons that person was never named in the article but i regularly wonder who it could be. My hot favourite would be Mike Russell, he loves a blether and he’s fond of a dram or two. But who really knows, eh? So many to choose from.

Although the person was never named in the article i got the impression it was a male (a real one, LOL) but i could be 100% wrong. Either way i’m reminded of that old saying which rings very true today; Loose lips sink ships.

Brian doonthetoon,

Yep yer right, and I really should nt be doing this for everyone while I have so much on my plate.
Thats when mistake happen especially on a old computer system that cannot copy and paste,

Stil over the two years most of you will be curious enough to start your own investigations by now and hopefully a little bit further than the Snp, and small time chaos they create,
Glad to see you still on here Brian and seemly doing well, We had our first visit from the MicMillin nurse this week, and questionaires from nurse on whom has powers of attorney when the time comes, (spouse refused operation and chemo,)
The toe and partial foot amputation though is healing better and quicker than iI thought it would

I am away to strim the grass, cut the hedge and see to the washing, before seeing to tea,, then feed the dogs and take in sticks to light the fire cos spouse often feels the cold,
Beside trying to banks and getting the Car sorted, blue badge forms etc,

Just too much on my plate right now to focus on details out with our enviroment of chaoes,
Hold the fort, to a future date Brian, and nice to see you back on wings,
This year will be full of ups and downs I have no doubt politically and personally for us,
Wishing you a full an good recovery,

Big Jock @ 3:30 pm

“I think Robin articulates exactly how all of us who are not part of the SNP cult feel.”

Yes, fairly wide analysis of the dominant national party goings-on, however Robin and other Scots political intellectuals still need to better understand and acknowledge Scotland’s colonial reality; postcolonial theory explains why we are where we are and what is needed. If you fail to identify the ‘condition’ you are unlikely to find the ‘remedy’:

link to peterabell.scot

John Swinney will become the new First Minister. But for how long?. The Greens will bring him down. The human condition of the need to exercise power. The Greens tasted power and have already proven by their intervention on the A96 they ain’t going away. Boredom will force a VONC. I give Swinney less than six months.

The current SNP is stuffed full with idiots and grifters who are an embarrassment to Scotland.

“An SNP minister has echoed The Thick of It by saying John Swinney is “the right man for the moment”.

Mairi McAllan used the same words which provoked panic when used by fictional politician Nicola Murray used in the satirical political comedy.

In the programme UK cabinet minister Murray blunders saying “the prime minister is the right man for the moment” instead of “man of the moment”.

The gaffe sparks outrage in Labour spinner Malcolm Tucker as it suggested that the prime minister could be replaced in the future.”

I’ve been reading an interesting book on Celtic mythology.

I came across these passages, which seem incongruous within the context of the book’s subject matter but are there nonetheless:

extracted from The Dictionary of Celtic Mythology (1992) by Peter Berresford Ellis

I don’t think the author’s description of the Treaty of Union as the written constitution of Great Britain is correct, though. I’m sure there are some on here who know.

Northcode,

Re Thatcher and the Poll tax…
link to bbc.com

Quite a surprise on the latest English Council elections.

There are currently 451 LibDem Councillors to the Tories 449.
Labour are over the 1,000 mark.

Every Party that you have heard of has made significant gains on the back of the Tories.

The most terrifying piece of data from all this is that 25% of English votes are for more of the same 14 years of recession, cuts and corruption.

One minor issue for the AUOB march tomorrow may be the train trikes and engineering works.

I guess we shall see.

Stoker @ 5:41 pm

“I wonder if that was Swinney?”

‘Gradualist’ Swinney’s track record is one of (a) hounding fundamentalists out of the national party and (b) losing seats in elections.

Postcolonial theory suggests a very close correlation between these two variables.

Of course, liberation of ‘a people’ by necessity requires fundamental changes to their circumstances; hence targeted removal and marginalisation of fundamentalists is counter productive to an independence struggle.