Wings Over Scotland

I hope this story makes Khelif infamous, destroys everyone in every International Olympic Committee, and stops men being able to punch women with impunity.

Still glad I pay a tiny bit of your wages.

And I’m trying to get my grand daughters into sport when this pish is happening

Women athletes – I mean REAL women athletes need to take a stand, it has to begin somewhere – so why not at these Olympic Games. I felt sorry for that Italian woman boxer who has trained hard – and made sacrifices to be at the Olympics, only to be robbed of any chance of victory by a man who the IOC see a as woman

The IOC is an utter disgrace – not just for allowing men, and they are men to pretend to be women and compete against them – in which the women will lose against bigger, stronger, faster men – but for allowing a country that’s committing jen0ci-de to compete at the 2024 Olympic Games.

Pacman: his penis is visible through his shorts. I think he might have had a small, not completely formed penis which was put down to being a vagina with an enlarged clitoris, as is often the case with DSDs (inter-sex, so-called).

However, at around the age of 11/12, he would have begun to show tiny signs of masculinity, increasing toward 13/14 when puberty would have set in properly. Because he would have had internal testes, he would have produced testosterone and that would have liked to vast changes in his body to full masculinity at the chromosomal level, proving he is male.

I do feel sympathy for people with DSDs, but that goes the moment they use, knowingly, their masculinity to gain an advantage. The fact that he has a penis would suggest that his genitalia have changed from vaguely female to visibly male. This often happens with DSD males.

Caster Semenya used to wear long sports vests when running, and always over his shorts, not tucked in as the female runners tucked their sports vests into their running shorts to cut down wind drag. He also went on to have children, who, if they are his, means that he has a functioning penis.

No way do the Algerian sporting authorities not know this is a man. No way does the IOC not know this is a man. ‘Trans’ has nothing to do with it except that the ‘trans’ movement has taken people with DSDs under its umbrella.

@ Lorna Campbell

There also doesn’t seem to be much respect from these Trans athletes towards their female competitors:

link to archive.is

A record-breaking transgender athlete has been suspended for threatening rivals that criticized her participation in women’s sports.

Anne Andres, a transgender powerlifter who set an unofficial women’s world record last year, has been banned from participating in any events for six months by the Canadian Powerlifting Union.

Records viewed by DailyMail.com show that the complaints against Andres include bullying, discrimination, harassment and racist behavior for comparing herself to ethnic minorities and ‘wishing death upon,’ at least one other powerlifter.

Interesting genuine misogyny from the Algerian male commentators. Algeria is a 98% Muslim country. As we know, Islam is no admirer of women. As for Billy Bragg comparing objecting to a woman being punched in the head to rioters over the Southport stabbings. Well that obnoxious, hyper-holier-than-thou-bragging cunt has been the absolute epitome of venal, Guardian-guzzling, English middle class phony sanctimony since the 80s, and every word that comes out of his mouth is pure unadulterated shit. Same as it ever was, and always will be.

The worlds gone mad since a sector of society pried open Pandora’s box of lunacy.

a powerlifter in the US done that just to beat a new “Female world Record” – the current holder being an Ex-Man – he got soooo pissed about that that it made me nearly laugh my bollox off.
I think that this way we could stop this shit from happening – if someone like Tysons build went “female” that would be fun to watch – then when he gets through to the final against a woman (after beating up all the pretendy Women along the way) he just throws in the towel straight after the bell……BAAAAAMMM! Real woman wins!

obviously a prime concern at least in relation to stabbed up kids and rioting …

it wasn’t exactly raging bull now was it?

link to youtube.com

– she takes a pop in the face and then just shites it. that was it. Sums up a lot of things. I would have had some respect for her if she had a go and took a KO.

olympic boxing is play acting and tea with the vicar anyway – amateurs use heavier gloves for safety and headguards. 3 rounds, not 10 or 12 or 15.

there is horror to be had –

link to mirror.co.uk

link to thesun.co.uk

I know it’ll be a HUGE sacrifice but biological women need to walk away. Leave this organisation & all of its depravity & start their own games. It’s beyond embarrassing what the Olympic games have become. It’s a joke.

I know they’ve trained for years. I know it’s sponsorship deals & ambassadors for their sport, yadda, yadda but they’ll
be HUGE Olympians in the eyes of the world to *take one for the team* on behalf of women & girls everywhere.

It’s a lot to ask but once women no longer participate then these depraved thugs will only have other depraved thugs to compete with & the Olympics will die under the embarrassment of being a complete farce.

I have absolutely no interest in the Olympics.

Men being allowed to fight women is one thing. The sick and offensive opening ceremony another. And then of course the utterly political sanctioning of countries like Russia and Belarusia disbarred.

Time to stick the whole pile of shite. Olympic flame, Olympic Torch, Olympic Ideal. Pure pish.

Aye & lest we forget war criminals & geno-cide cheerleaders are allowed to compete & R is not because …ummm, they’re very, very bad people.

Geri
Come on ladies, perk up and cock up yer beavers.

Italy is home of the Pope. It’s a good Catholic country. I absolutely expect there to be massive scale outrage in the Holy City over this.

Catholic Italy. I stand with you.

The French have lost their way. We know Algeria is a Muslim country. They love to smack their women about that’s the message I’m getting from that.

We need JK Rowling. Scotland’s English heroin to say something about it.

Remind the violent Algerian fighting age male that they’ve got a word in their language for men like him.

HARAM

@Northcode –

We regularly publish Scots translations of classic works (we’ve already done Aesop’s Fables), are currently serialising Plato’s Republic) and would like to publish some of your work, if you’d be interested.

Needn’t all be in Scots.

We’ve also published the photography of John McKissock and now have Clem Fandango doing a series on Scottish history.

Hope you’ll have a think about it.

If interested, please contact me directly:

ottopicscotland@protonmail.com

😉

Watching a man with male chromosomes beating up a women is akin to the political class beating up Scotland.

Where only Englands politics has made the rule changes advantagious to always ensure for itself in a unfair contest that it comes out the winner.
The comparisons between the two is uncanny

The only difference is Scotland seems to be so colonial punched drunk that they are unable to think of walking away like the Italian lassie did.

A quick reminder for those whom are down the rabbit hole of being mentally punched drunk.

No where, repeat , “No Where” In any of the articles of the treaty of union does it State that Scotland will always need to require a referendum to leave the treaty..

And No Where, repeat No where does it State that “Scots” whom were not invited into the treaty of union ( because they probably have voted “NO” anyway) have to abide or ask for permission from Westminster parliament.

And

No where, repeat ” NO WHERE” does any Article of the treaty of Union state that the Monarch of England, kingdom of England and the laws of England……will (Extended into Scotland).

Scotland and Scottish people is So Colonial Punched drunk that it excepts a illegal changing daily battering of rules made as an a (afterthought by Westminster parliament ) to make only one side win.

Scotlands people, “the Scots not in the treaty of union” , need to legally walk out on the rigged fight to regain a win for their home territory.

I often wonder if the people in England will ever mull over over how, they could regain their Sovereignty of their Country by simply agreeing with Scottish people that the treaty of union is such old 1707 guff and now obsolete that they could and probably would regain their their surrounding Sea borders around England as this would surely return automony back to the people of England, rather than the EU.
A variation and more serious kind of Brexit surely.and a great reset for both Countries in self governance and automony.
This is just my personal muse on how for once, the people in England and the people in Scotland could agree to stop the strong outside influence that has a stranglehold of foreign political policies interfering in both Countries.
Personally I believe It undoubtable has great strength and advantages for the people in both Countries to have that ” Reset” as globalist call it, (perhaps not in the way they had envisaged or planned) , to return the right of self determination and the peoples governance to both Countries,

Immigration,…..that would up to the people within those newly renewed borders……
Just a personal muse on people starting to working together to save both Countries from going under.

Breeks.

War criminals?

Where would they be without Scotland and England, Ireland and Wales as Great Britain.
Where would they park their threatening nuclear mouth pieces ?
Where would they put all the migrants that we Pay for with our taxes, while Britains people ( England, Ireland, Wales and Scotland, suffer, we are all in fast spiralling financial and infrastructial decline?.
And where would the governance be that allow all these astrosities to happen, be?
The starmers and his like would be gone, a blip in history, but a serious blip that has the ability to change history.
Because the more power crazy they become the more people wake up to realise that Britain is becoming part of a world government they did not vote for.

Stuart MacKay
says:
2 August, 2024 at 6:07 am

Any just to annoy Ruby (with apologies to Lorna)…

The Suffragettes fought, bled, and died for the rights women have today. Rights granted, instead of won, just like favours, can be taken away when the need arises. There needs to be a line in the sand and anyone stepping over it needs to have them chopped off – metaphorically speaking. There’s no point being reasonable. it will simply be taken as weakness, which you are already seeing.

I haven’t a clue what Stuart MacKay is on about but then I never do.

PacMan
says:

The problem is that woman are gaining from this DE&I ideology that has allowed Trans to profligate in our society but are unhappy because it is becoming clear it is affecting them. They don’t want to rock the boat of the ideology that they benefit from.

I’ve been quite shocked by what I’ve been reading BTL on Wings regarding women’s rights. I’ve reached the conclusion that there are men who are resentful that women are not at home making their tea, cleaning their house and washing their clothes and generally being a good little obedient servant!

What are women gaining from this DE&I ideology?

The right to vote?
Equal pay?
The right to an education?
The right to buy property
The right to police protection against domestic violence?
The right to women only spaces & sports?
Divorce?

I have a solution – just ban sport – its f*****g boring anyway and is just circuses and bread for the masses.

Republicofscotland
Ignored
says:
1 August, 2024 at 10:08 pm

Women athletes – I mean REAL women athletes need to take a stand, it has to begin somewhere – so why not at these Olympics

Aye it’s a problem for women to solve. Nothing to do with ‘Addidas’ or anyone sponsoring these athletes and games. It’s all up to women.

I don’t know anything about sport at Olympic level & what it involves and what the implications are for women athletes just giving up.

There have been a lot of suggestion what female athletes should do but what I’m wondering about is what women in other walks of life can do.

I think we could live without spectator sport but could we live without nurses if they just gave up?

What can these nurses who object to getting changed in front of a leering man do can they just walk away?

What if all women went on strike would that still be a woman’s problem to solve?

Are we surplus to requirements?

“…just to annoy Ruby”

Why would anyone want to annoy Ruby – she’s a sweetheart?

Besides, she’s always kind to me – even when I’m talking shite.

Best not to annoy her, though…or she’ll take up her pen an gie ye a guid punch in the mooth wi it; an maybe belt ye ower the heid wi it tae.

Ruby: (not ignored): I was trying to point out that these men with DSDs (and I do feel sorry for them, as I do the women with same, and the female athletes) actually do have penises that do grow at puberty, although, perhaps, not at the rate, etc. of a normal penis. and the internal testes can be brought to the surface by surgery or removed, but they will have produced testosterone already. I would suspect that, in Muslim Algeria, so as not to be shunned or worse, the boxer just accepted his wrongly diagnosed ‘femaleness’ and carried on the farce even though he knows, and has known for a number of years, that he is male.

Likewise, his country knows he is male and the IOC knows he is male. Although those with DSDs were brought under the ‘trans’ umbrella, it is not convenient now for them to claim to be ‘trans’ as ‘trans’ is banned from the Olympics, hence the sneering, thumb-nosing, opening ceremony which was so evidently post structuralist and post modernist, sneering at Western traditional mores across the board. Psychopathic narcissism, not way-out creativity.

I agree with you on the remarks by some of the men on here, but far more telling and dispiriting has been the responses from SNP members who have adopted the line that it is better to shut up about women’s and children’s rights in order to concentrate on independence, allowing the ‘trans’ lobby a free bye. The lack of thinking is so evident when everyone with a brain should know that these people put the ‘trans’ question way above independence and always will. The whole point is to overturn society. Women, for better or worse, usually worse, are the very foundations of every civilized and organized society. Ergo, they have to go first.

That is why they infiltrated the SNP in the first place, and why they will infiltrate any other party or organization that they think will give them a piggy-back to power. That is their goal: naked, unadorned power and totalitarian government which will crush all societal norms and mores, laws and prohibitions, and allow them a total free rein on predation of those ‘weaker’: ie. children, women and girls, gay men and women, animals.

The really smart questions are: why, what is the end result they hope to achieve and who is actually behind it all because, what these people have in the sexual deviance department, they lack in the critical thinking one and they are not the ones who believe they can achieve immortality and ultimate power over our lives? A bit of digging provides the answers, but they will shock and horrify – and frighten you half to death.

ONLY THE RASH would dare to be openly homosexual in Algeria or Egypt or Syria or Saudi Arabia mr Bragg but there is a way.

«The result of a consistent and total substitution of lies for factual truth is not that the lie will now be accepted as truth, and truth be defamed as lie, but that the sense by which we take our bearings in the real world – truth versus falsehood is among the mental means to this end – is being destroyed»
Hannah ARENDT

Politicians and officialdoms stand indicted.

Rab Clark @5:52am

I’m flattered that you would consider publishing some of my poetic scribblings on your website, Rab.

I’m not averse to the idea and will indeed give it some thought and respond to you directly and soon.

I watched Khelefi land a punch on Carini that was harder than most women would hit & I saw an experienced female boxer realise at that point, her life is at risk if he lands a few more punches like that. Yes, Khelefi has been beaten by women previously because he’s a crap boxer who seems to rely purely on the power he has from being male.

It is true to say he’s not ‘Transgender’ in Algeria as that would land him in jail, but he’s a male & Algeria have taken advantage of his biology to try to land a medal. He is however key to TRAs as if there’s a ‘grey area’ when it comes to sex then there’s a third sex!! Which of course, is nonsense. He’s got a DSD but he’s very much male.

For weeks now campaigners, mainly women, have been protesting the two males in Olympic boxing as well as the rapist in the volleyball but from listening to people yesterday (who only became aware of the issue yesterday and instantly became experts) you’d think these women who’ve spent months protesting are only angry about Khelefi because he’s ‘not white’.

TRAs use the ‘if black women can be classed as women then so can Trans people’ argument all the time. It’s a movement riddled with racism and misogyny yet it’s never made accountable for this by the media, plus yesterday we say ‘progressives’ drooling at the fact a man hit a woman and got away with it. Khelefi is going to fight again (as is the other male boxer previously banned by the IBA) soon & this will blow up again. We live in a time where it’s ‘progressive’ to defend male violence if it means that you’re affirming the feelings of men. I genuinely think if Khelefi puts a woman in hospital these people will blame the woman for not being tough enough and not the man who hit her.

As an aside, I hope those TRAs who’ve spent their time shrieking ‘NAZI’ at women bother to show up when actual neo-Nazis turn up in Scotland next month. I somehow doubt it as previously when the far right has mobilised in Scotland the overwhelming majority of TRAs are as far away from them as possible.

Northcode:

I’m always kind to everyone!

Some folk just don’t recognise that it’s sometimes necessary to be ‘cruel to be kind’.
I remember when you were a newbie and I was the very first person to talk to you!

Senza Nespresso! you’ve just reminded me that it’s well past coffee time.

Time to get my Vertuo out and brew a delicioso Il Caffè.

Il Caffè only comes in the larger pods (Vertuo) it used to come in the original (smaller) size but they stopped making ‘Il Caffè’ in the smaller sized capsule which was unfortunate because I was hooked on Il Caffè. I solved the problem by buying a 2nd machine and that is why I have I have 2 Nespresso machine an original which I use to brew ‘India’ and a Vertuo for Il Caffè.

The original can be used to brew all the Nespresso compatible capsules that you get in the supermarket whereas not the ‘Vertuo’ If it’s decaf you are looking for then the supermarket own brand cheapos are fine ‘cos QFMD all decaf is awful.

Stuart MacKay
Ignored
says:
2 August, 2024 at 11:46 am

Ruby Yesterday

In editing for clarity I deleted the main point – doh!

The fight for women’s spaces needs to be fought and won by women. If men get involved then you’ll be forever in their debt and there will be a price to pay.

I’ve got 7 bloody monikers and none of them are ‘Ruby Yesterday’. If I do decided on an 8th moniker it’ll be ‘Ruby Tomorrow’ and I’ll leave all you ‘Yesterday Men’ in the dust!

Fuckin’ men are involved they are the ones preventing us from having our own women’s spaces.

Did you know ‘transwomen are men’ and the vast majority of politicians opposed to women’s right are men. The companies sponsoring all these men are made up of men.

PS ‘Stuart the Obscure’. What is a woman? Do you think all these women with dicks should be out their fighting for women’s spaces, their rights to punch a terf and get a gold medal for doing it.

Not seen anyone else commenting on this but, has anyone else noticed the similarity between the Hate Monster and that Olympic mascot?

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

@Ruby Friday (12.48) –

Not sure who you’re referring to but if it’s who I think it is, worry not – he’s all yours!

😉

Ruby Two Nespresso (hope you don’t mind me giving you yet another moniker)

“I remember when you were a newbie and I was the very first person to talk to you!”

So do I. You were welcoming and kind to me and I’ll never forget that – even when I’m a famous world-renowned poet and author. 🙂

Agreed. Decaf is awful…and pointless.

PS.I like how you fitted in a Nespresso review at the same time as replying to my comment – efficient.

Turabdin: “the lie will now be accepted as truth, and truth be defamed as lie…”

That’s so last year.

The future is in atomisation, at the national and international level, with all the channels and institutions of collective engagement essentially obliterated.

Some will call it hell. Others will call it freedom.

The war on truth, now over, was simply a necessary step, a means to an end. Anything is possible once you destroy “truth” as a reference point.

Get ready for anything;

“The notions of right and wrong, justice and injustice have there no place. Where there is no common power, there is no law; where no law, no injustice.” (Hobbes)

Hatuey hath spoken…

Humanism is in crisis. It is currently shifting from its classical objectivistic, mechanistic, rationalistic polarity (which presupposes the abiding normative laws of mathematics and physics — a clockwork UNI-verse model, if you like), to its post-postmodernist subjectivistic, irrationalistic, personalistic polarity (ie radically rejecting all normativity as it sinks into a black-hole of infinite flux — a haywire MULTI-verse model of alternative cosmic realities, if you like — see (with visual health warning) the recent Oscar-winning Michelle Yeoh movie ‘Everything Everywhere All at Once’), but also the portending dissolution of human normativity into potentially non-regulated acid-baths of experimental bio-engineering, transhumanism, and AI consciousness.

The ultra-relativism of the latter subjectivistic polarity infamously rejects for instance the normative laws of biology in regards to the trans debate, but it rejects also the normative laws of speech and civilised discourse which undergird the negotiated social peace upon which democracy is premised — hence its modus operandi presents (counter-intuitively perhaps) as strident intransigence, governmental absolutism, raw mob power, infantilised hysteria, all symbolised by the iconic weapon of baby-pink-and-blue-painted baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire.

However, even at 12 i sensed Algeria, even by Iraqi standards, was a tough place to grow up.

Algeria has a shocking record for human rights violations at a time when countries around it are trying to become more liberal. Til recently they had a law that allows rapists to marry their victims. Torture is routinely used, there’s virtually no freedom of expression and any other religion bar Sunni Muslim is outlawed with other Muslims being persecuted by Algerian authorities. Women’s rights there are marginal at best.

And this is the country so-called progressives are leaping to defend.

link to amnesty.org

Why are we no longer allowed to call a spade a spade?

I would suspect that, in Muslim Algeria, so as not to be shunned or worse, the boxer just accepted his wrongly diagnosed ‘femaleness’ and carried on the farce even though he knows, and has known for a number of years, that he is male.

Likewise, his country knows he is male and the IOC knows he is male

Bingo.

From what I understand about this DSD, his testes would be internal so at birth he’d look for all intents and purposes female, but as puberty kicked in it’d be quite clear that he’d be ‘intersex’ (to use an outdated and offensive term TRAs are happy to throw around) so was raised as female in a country where otherwise he’d likely have been imprisoned and tortured.

Olympic success brings not just sporting glory but an amount of soft power hence why countries spend millions getting athletes trained to win. Algeria winning a gold medal in boxing brings a load of bragging rights in that part of the world, especially as all these incredibly strict Muslim countries are all looking to get one over on each other.

But he’s got testes & a penis. He’s got XY chromosomes. He’s got so much testosterone in him that he’s either doping or male. He’s got no right to be in women’s boxing, but Algeria (and him) know that in the male categories he’d be lucky to get out of the first round as opposed to having a chance of winning the women’s competition. He’s an adult now, he knows he’s cheating and he knows he can seriously hurt a woman.

As for the ‘well she’s female, look at her passport’ nonsense, imagine if Tyson Fury decided to come out as female, change his passport and sex markers then go on to fight women?

Someone asked about TRAs using black women as a reason Trans identifying males should play in women’s sport. It’s a common trope, and here’s Mark Steel unleashing his inner racist in a progressive way of course.

link to x.com

‘It’s just a joke’ doesn’t wash. If this had been said by one of the GB News halfwits it’d rightly be called out as racist.

Ruby

Did you know ‘transwomen are men’ and the vast majority of politicians opposed to women’s right are men. The companies sponsoring all these men are made up of men.

That’s precisely my point. Women have to defend their corner, otherwise you’ll all be in the back seat, or the boot, once more grateful for whatever scraps, in way of privileges, that the men allow.

In fact it’s already happening. On Sky News last night the conversation over events in Stockport were all about the rights of the murderer. The three little girls were almost forgotten. Women and girls will be sacrificed to try and maintain order when more socially conservative elements start to assert themselves.

Some regulars will remember Rev posting this when it caused a sensation on the Letterman Show many moons back…happier days.

Performed at the Kelvingrove bandstand earlier this week.

Future Islands – ‘Seasons’

link to youtube.com

Stuart MacKay
Ignored
says:
2 August, 2024 at 2:54 pm

That’s precisely my point. Women have to defend their corner, otherwise you’ll all be in the back seat, or the boot, once more grateful for whatever scraps, in way of privileges, that the men allow.

In fact it’s already happening. On Sky News last night the conversation over events in Stockport were all about the rights of the murderer. The three little girls were almost forgotten. Women and girls will be sacrificed to try and maintain order when more socially conservative elements start to assert themselves.

Anything wrong with the Dads of these three little girls speaking out.

Are men just going to stand back and say nothing? It’s all a woman’s problem!

I’m beginning to think all this ‘It’s a woman problem to solve is all just more bloody misogyny.’

More of ‘these feminists wanted equality so now they’ve got it they can just suck it up and sort it out if they don’t like it!’

I don’t know if you have noticed or not ‘Stuart the Obscure’ but I am defending my corner right here on Wings in front of your eyes!

I could end up being sent to the naughty step but I’m willing to take that risk!

Republicofscotland @ 2.22 pm:

“…its a problem that society must face head on as a whole…men must also be seen to be protecting women’s rights”

You’re exactly right.

Apart from anything, it’s not just women’s rights – it’s everybody’s rights, including men’s rights, that are at stake.

Just out of interest, how would you (not you specifically RoS – anyone on here) respond if you were asked what your pronouns are?

moixx @ 3:39pm, I’d be tempted to say my pronouns are She/He/It/They and it is literal violence to put them in any other order. Yes, I’d be making a point.

Alf: yes, an all-encompassing identity is what is being striven for, with an elite that is mega-wealthy and reaching for god status and immortality. I would doubt that many women have these delusions because we are far too close to the bloody, nitty-gritty of human life to harbour such nonsense.

John C: doctors today would sex test a baby with ambiguous genitalia and, perhaps, suggest surgery to afford the child genitalia closer to that of the male or female. Parents, at least, would be told that their child has ambiguous genitalia so that they could agree to sex testing at the very earliest stage of life and so that children are not raised as the opposite sex by mistake.

Caster Semenya is the perfect example of the arrogant DSD male who shows no remorse for cheating. He has said that women are weaklings and made it very plain that he despises female athletes. He is a man, right enough. I would suggest some enterprising person should lead a silverback male gorilla into the male weightlifting category and state that it identifies as an adult human male.

Apart from the fact that this placid creature is normally as docile as a lamb except when it or its family and troupe are threatened, unlike many men for whom violence is endemic, it would knock all the men into a cocked hat for strength. The men might then understand in no uncertain terms how female athletes are disadvantaged when placed up against male athletes. It is just a simple fact that gorillas are very much more powerful than men, just as it is also a simple fact that men are stronger than women – except, maybe, in the brain department.

Does being outstrengthed by a gorilla make men weaklings and worthy of being despised? Nope. Men and gorillas are different species and there are sound biological reasons for the different strengths. Same with women and men. We are different for a reason, and it, too is biological. Females are not inferior men just as men are not inferior gorillas. Some, with peanut brains, just do not get that. Worse, they think that their preoccupations are much, much more important than those of females. Mother Nature is becoming very angry.

Press release from British Medical Association (31 July 2024) —

« The BMA is to undertake an evaluation of the Cass Review – the independent report on gender identity services for children and young people in the UK, published earlier this year.

« Members of the BMA’s Council recently voted in favour of a motion which asked the Association to ‘publicly critique the Cass Review’, after doctors and academics in several countries, including the UK, voiced concern about weaknesses in the methodologies used in the Review and problems arising from the implementation of some of the recommendations. 

« A ‘task and finish’ group, established by the BMA’s Chair of Council Professor Philip Banfield, who will also appoint the group’s chairperson, will pay particular attention to the methodology used to underpin the report’s recommendations. There have been ongoing discussions within the BMA about the Cass Review since it was published; before that the BMA attended meetings with Dr Cass when the review was being written. These, together with the Council’s wishes, have helped to shape what will be a detailed, evidence-led piece of work.

« The BMA is calling for a pause to the implementation of the Cass Review’s recommendations whilst the task and finish group carries out its work. It is expected to be completed towards the end of this year. In the meantime, the BMA believes transgender and gender-diverse patients should continue to receive specialist healthcare, regardless of their age.

« The BMA has been critical of proposals to ban the prescribing of puberty blockers to children and young people with gender dysphoria, calling instead for more research to help form a solid evidence base for children’s care – not just in gender dysphoria but more widely in paediatric treatments. The Association believes clinicians, patients and families should make decisions about treatment on the best available evidence, not politicians.

« Professor Banfield said:

“It is vitally important we take time and care to get this work right. This is a highly specialised area of healthcare for children and young adults with complex needs, and as doctors we want to be sure they get the most appropriate care and the support they need. The task and finish group will make recommendations to improve the healthcare system that has, for too long, failed transgender patients. It will work with patients to ensure the evaluation invokes the old adage in medicine of ‘no decision about me without me’. It is time that we truly listen to this group of important, valued, and unfortunately often victimised people and, together, build a system in which they are finally provided with the care they deserve.” »

« Ends

Skip_NC @ 4.09 pm

That’s interesting 🙂

However, feeling that you have to ‘make a point’ means that you are being forced to participate in it all, and to effectively state your opinion on it. I could see that, depending on the circumstances, it might be difficult to do that.

Any of us could be asked ‘what are your pronouns’ or ‘what is your gender’ – I’m just wondering if people have considered what they’d say if it was asked of them.

Tenor of NOTE 3 below the BMA Press Release is stronger:

3. The Motion reads:

‘This meeting recognises that the provision of gender identity services in the United Kingdom is inadequate, and that transgender people should be treated with compassion and respect for their bodily autonomy. Following the publication of the Cass Review on Gender Identity Services for children and young people, this meeting is concerned about its impact on transgender healthcare provision because of its unsubstantiated recommendations driven by unexplained study protocol deviations, ambiguous eligibility criteria, and exclusion of trans-affirming evidence.

Therefore, this meeting calls on the BMA to:

i. Publicly critique the Cass Review;

ii. Lobby and work with other relevant organisations and stakeholders to oppose the implementation of the recommendations made by the Cass Review;

iii. Lobby the Government and NHS in all four nations to ensure continuity in provision of transgender healthcare for patients younger than 18 years old;

iv. Lobby the Government and NHS in all four nations to ensure continuity in provision of transgender healthcare for patients aged 18 or older;

v. Publicly state support for transgender people, particularly transgender youth, and provision of prompt access to gender identity services and treatment at all ages;

vi. Condemn the increasing political transphobia which is ostracising transgender people and discriminating against them by blocking their access to healthcare’.

Between this, allowing Israel to compete (but not Russia) and endorsing a Dutch volleyball player who has a conviction for child rape, the IOC are having a great 2024…

Everything started falling to fuck when we left the trees.

We can only imagine there was a time in what’s called ‘the state of nature’ when men and women knew their place. Everybody had a role. It worked.

Being a man once mattered. The role was important, to defend the tribe, build shelter, hunt for food. Even the most ordinary fellow was valued. That role changed and evolved along with technology and the mode of production, but in essence it remained the same — men did the heavy lifting, the physical work, they got down into the dirt.

Now look what you’ve done to us…

Wasn’t it obvious that destroying men in the name of equality was going to backfire at some point? That when you chiselled away at the essence of man, you were also chiselling at the skeletal bones of society?

And you just couldn’t stop, could you… First the vote, then jobs, then equal pay, on top of all that, you demanded to emulate men socially, go out drinking, play the field, play sports, etc., etc., etc., telling men they were worthless every inch of the way.

The goal of feminism, whether feminists knew it or not, was to destroy the distinction between man and woman. That’s really what equality meant.

Well, you did it. Congratulations. Now everything is fucked.

As for men punching women as an Olympic sport, what the fuck are women doing in a boxing ring? That’s every bit as unsettling to me as men in women’s toilets.

They’re your dots, women, go join them.

@ Hatuey

LOL , you at the pure wind-up again ?

” First the vote, then jobs, then equal pay, … ”

I know , wummin.. tsk ….wanting jobs , votes AND equal pay ! Some neck oan thum , eh ?

Actually , there is some truth in what you say , but I think , in essence , it’s , ie Feminism , another example of humans aspiring to achieve something admirable , necessary , just , basking in the sunlight of having , to whatever degree , succeeded in those ambitions and failing to notice the shadow ; the negatives , the losers . Not realising there always a price to pay for progress . Or so it appears .

It just seems to be what happens ; though I question whether there’s anything really ” inevitable ” about , eg the fact we keep making the same mistakes ; and ” explaining ” / excusing the apparent failure to learn from them by referring to something called ” Human Nature ” . What does that term even mean ?

The fact we , as a species , have done/thought certain things recurringly through time doesn’t mean we’re somehow compelled to continue doing/thinking them .

In the end ” Human Nature ” like ” Communism ” , ” Fascism ” , ” Nationalism ” , ” Feminism ” etc is/are * just * ideas ; thoughts which even when made * concrete * ,never lose their essentially * mental * foundation . They are ” the stuff that dreams are made of ” .

Problems arise when such ” stuff ” is subjected to Death-by-Literalism : and what more glaring example of that grand folly is there than TWAW . The ultimate in demented Literalism .

Robert Hughes
Ignored
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2 August, 2024 at 8:12 pm

@ Hatuey

LOL , you at the pure wind-up again ?

You are mistaken Robert Hughes. Hatuey isn’t at the pure wind-up the fucker is serious.

I don’t reply to his posts anymore I think he’s pure bonkers and that is putting it nicely!

Maybe there needs to be a splinter off sports championship for the men that are weak in mind and muscle and choose to compete against women.
The 2024 LimpDicks…

I’m getting auld and crumbly now but I just checked the Strava cycling app and I’m only 2 seconds behind the Queen of the Mountain top time on a sprint climb road section set by some Swiss road race cycling team woman.
The thing is I set my time riding a 34 pound 26 inch wheeled mountain bike with fat knobbly tyres and she was undoubtedly using some uber fancy lightweight road racing bike with larger diameter wheels and skinny tyres so way less rolling resistance.
I think I’m going to grab a shot of a pal’s carbon fibre framed road race bicycle with wifi controlled gears (wtf) and see if I can improve my time.
TBH that cycling app is fucked because all the league time tables have been corrupted by e bike riders that don’t filter their rides into the correct sections. Aye, yer so impressive getting a quick time or taking a K/QoM off someone when you’ve got around 300 to 750 watts electrical assistance. Assholes gonna asshole.

On a brighter note…

Weel dun the Boys fae Skibbereen !

I’m just a conduit for ideas and not any more responsible for them than a spirit medium is for the things that ghosts believe in…

In the natural world it’s not controversial to talk of the different roles played by the males and females of a species. There was a time in the human world when it would have been considered ridiculous to put boxing gloves on the hands of women.

You should be proud of this, Robert;

“ In the end ” Human Nature ” like ” Communism ” , ” Fascism ” , ” Nationalism ” , ” Feminism ” etc is/are * just * ideas ; thoughts which even when made * concrete * ,never lose their essentially * mental * foundation…”

It’s the best thing you’ve ever said.

yeah, so some daft cow got a smack in the mouth and had a blub and its not fair and the world should stop because some mystery meat trans freakshow who may have ovaries and testicles … got a gold medal in something women shouldn’t be doing anyway … glad we got our priorities straight.

And now for something completely different. Shit that matters.

“the problem with Scotland is … it’s full of Scots”

(HOLD MY BEER)

have just got myself some numbers – they let you download it as a spreadsheet, in the hope that you can’t count or do graphs or work excel.

link to nrscotland.gov.uk

A quick shufty. The important table is inflows / outflows from the rest of the UK – we are talking about migration.

– for the past 10 years we get about 50K people coming to Scotland from the “rest of the UK” every year, and it’s not the welsh and it’s not the nornirish, it’s the English.

– in the same period, we lose about 40K people a year down to England; this is mostly Scots.

looks like we have lost 400K Scots and gained 500K English. Now, there is some recycling here – english coming up and going home, scots moving away and coming back, but we can’t put a number on that.

suppose the Scots are split on indy – we lost 200K Yessers and 200k Nobodies, a wash, but the english are 80:20 (at least) for the union 400K : 100K – we have lost a net 300k supporters in that period.

– only the dumbest fucking cunt would stand for this, and let – our enemies – have a veto on our self determination

NO VOTE FOR NIGEL

should be the mantra, but no nationalist has the balls to say this. So, there we are, as time passes, our situation worsens.

the anglification of Scotland continues apace; even a section 30 referendum right now, we would be hard pushed to win it, and even if by some amazing manoeuvre you tightened the franchise, many of the anglo clnists have now been here for over 5 years, so it is really just taking the edge off. Hence the insane energiser bunny of franchise fanny and his fluffers. It’s a big deal to them.

“make the case for indy to the soft noes”

– fuck you. I am not asking for charity from some viciously bigoted little englander who thinks the anglo saxon is the master race.

People don’t really appreciate the sneaky fuckery of what they are up against and what utter shits the english are. Our sellout politicians – well done, Nikki – you kicked the can far enough down the road that migration demographics will sort the problem. Cheating, without cheating.

Altering the franchise to allow “Scots in England” to vote probably won’t help – Scots tend to assimilate when they go down South, it makes for an easier life, and it is easier in the mind if you have convinced yourself “Scotland is an integral part of the UK”. And we aren’t just the unlucky siamese twin to the worst people on the fucking planet who everyone fucking hates.

In 2011, there were good interactive maps, with heatmaps, all that, with detailed breakdowns. Not so much now. We could do with some charts showing “identifies as” / “country of birth” over time for all the areas. But that would make it too obvious.

Given that Edinburgh is the big destination and the anglos coming up here are not cockney chimney sweeps, but the middle class, it means your professional sector, media, the good jobs people – is going to be stuffed even more full of unionists.

As events down in southport have shown us, it is who your parents are that defines what you are, accidents of birth or residence, should be irrelevant.

I would tax the english out of Scotland – make them pay a “jizyah” (a karmic revenge for the poll tax) and use the cash raised to build social housing for native Scots. Soak them for 10 times the council tax rate, every year – Scotland is not some place for you to make a tidy profit, you, the anglo carpetbagger – and all the free shit, eh? Maybe get free uni for the kids too. And still slag off Scotland/Scots for how shit it is and how much we subsidise them.

The situation is actually worse than this – because – I haven’t looked at the table for international migration, again, we lose Scots and gain all this mystery meat (big spike last year) … I will leave that analysis to our very good friend, “Anthony Modest”.

Hautey is claiming the goal of feminism was to turn men into trannies!

Maybe they really are witches these Terfs with some crazy magic spells!

Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and caldron bubble.

I’ve tried but my magic spells don’t work. I’ve kissed 100s of frogs and not one of them turned into a handsome prince.

The ones that haven’t been turned into trannies by the terf witches have been turned into greetin’ faced bairns blaming everything on the women!

They remind me of Sturgeon who blames everything on the Tories but in their case it’s the women.

Terfs are the new Tories.

I wonder what that Confused fucker thinks women should be doing.

Do they do knitting at the Olympics.

In over through & off!

John C

“I do genuinely think that had Khelif put a boxer in hospital (he may still do) then some ‘progressives’ will be blaming the other boxer for not being good enough.”

2 August, 2024 at 1:43 pm
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Why look in the crystal ball when you can read the book?

Such victim-blaming occurred on this very site, in the early hours of same morning you posted:

“she takes a pop in the face and then just shites it. “-Confused @2 August, 2024 at 12:04 am

Lorna, there are many aspects of life for men and women that are miserable. But I’m not sure how it helps your case or helps in any other respect to enable women to act like men, if you think men are responsible for most of the misery.

We used to wonder if women in leadership roles, in business, politics, etc., would result in a better world. After Thatcher and Sturgeon, I think it’s fair to say that horse has well and truly bolted…

You might think it would be wrong of me to blame women generally for people like Thatcher and Sturgeon and use them in a debate like this. I agree. But you and other women seem quite comfortable doing that, blaming all men for the antics of the few — that’s at the heart of everything you said above.

And that’s the sort of exchange we get embroiled in every time we discuss stuff like this.

There are lots of things like boxing that I’m not comfortable with women doing, but that doesn’t mean I think less of them —it’s an acknowledgement of the differences that exist between men and women, the same sort of differences that people are complaining about in regards to the Olympic Committee putting a man in the ring with a woman.

Just a couple of weeks ago we saw another example when Trump was shot at and we found out the Secret Service had assigned a bunch of women to his security detail. No need to go into all that again but you get the point; it was a farce.

Over the last 40 years or more, I’ve watched the role of ordinary men in society being reduced to rubble along with the jobs they depended on in the mines, shipbuilding, heavy industry, etc. Nobody stands up for them but they’re the first people society calls when there’s really shit life-threatening work to be done.

I’m not blaming women for all that, but it feels like every minority group under the sun is cursing us as they dance on our graves. Now we are being blamed for transgenderism or something. Honestly, most of us gave up with society long ago; weren’t even there.

John Swinney torn apart over ‘confusing’ answer to ‘what is a woman’ question

If only our political leaders could have answered the question ‘What is a woman’ all would be clear.

The new Scottish First Minister initially said a woman is an “adult female born as a woman” before adding that he accepts “transgender women are defined as women”.

Got it?

A woman is an adult female born as a woman and a woman can also be an adult male born as a man.

@ Breeks

And Mia pretty much called this 3 years ago well before the census.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

link to nhs.uk

You learn something every day. The link above explains DSD medically. If the Algerian boxer has at form of DSD then he/she will have a medical history. The IOC processes of passport only is ridiculous in this context. Clearly he/she has a competitive advantage.

A biological observation:

Womb:

The organ in the lower body of a woman or female mammal where offspring are conceived and in which they gestate before birth; the uterus

Human with a womb – defined as a woman (female)
Human without a womb – defined as a man (male)

Both are human.

Biologically, the prime organic differences between men and women are easily understood, even by the simplest of minds, and cannot logically be confused – one has ovaries and a womb, the other doesn’t.

It is impossible, currently, to create a new human body without a male ‘seed’ combined with an ‘egg’ produced by the female’s ovaries, the joined result of which is incubated in the female’s womb, to produce a brand new shiny human.

It could be argued that women are a superior, organically augmented and more advanced form of men.

And that if they could provide the life initiating seed internally for themselves (the only part of a man that is of any use to a woman in the creation of new life – or of any use at all, perhaps) men would be an unnecessary burden on nature’s finite resources and could be dispensed with – and probably would be by mother nature.

Time, and evolution, will tell.

@ Alf Baird

I was trying to recall where the line a lack of urgency should not be a factor or excuse in delaying matters of a peoples exercising self-determination is written.
Can you please remind me where that line comes from.
And that the aspect is mentioned at all suggests acknowledgement that there are factors why self-determination of a peoples should not be delayed.
There are terms such as justice delayed is justice denied, and asymmetry of harms which could be used to describe what Scotland is enduring.

@ Northcode

If women are to exist without men, then they’ll defo need more TransWomen. And I’m fine with that as quite happy to take early retirement and let them change out their own gearboxes and fucked dual mass flywheels and clutches!

If the real point of all this lunacy is to distract people from the stuff that’s really important, then it’s defo working.

Let’s call a spade a spade.

Two unambiguously and certifiable female boxers knocking lumps out of each other in the boxing ring is still two freaks devoting their lives to a completely pointless endeavour.

The number of normal dads (and mums), who look at their beautiful, new baby daughter and hope that one day she will grow up to be able to floor an opponent with a single punch for money and fame must be indistinguishable from zero.

In reality, no normal person would want to be around people like that, even if they are 100% biologically female.

The story is no more than Silly Season distraction and click bait, pure and simple. Even the world’s most-read Scottish Indy site is not immune.

If you want to see what the whole of Scotland will look and sound like in five year’s time visit Moray. Scotland’s supposedly pro independence politicians haven’t a clue. Tractors.

Men that stand up and protect their families, women, children toddlers are the last of the Bravehearts.

The ones that do not do not fit into that catagory.
Are usually called bullies, women beaters, pedos, molesters and people whom wish to see a decline in the human population on the planet because the elites are not happy that humans live on their land and spaces.

In fact the movie Braveheart, also states all that needs said, “There is nothing wrong with Scotland….except…….

And then you look at the bigger picture, that governments are encouraging with their policies.
Black fight White.
White fight back,

Britain being allowed to be legally invaded by government.
One culture fights another.

Weird men people pretending to drag Queens then painting on a false woman face like clowns at a circus.
Everyone recognises what the Clown is, and would recognise the clown even if he was in the shopping centre or in the houses of parliament.

The sneaky politicians taking over controlling public free speech of humans. While slapping them , with far right or far left names, So no one can raise up about the dehumanisation of people, public voices. Are the very elites flying in private jets, using fossil fuels for war, destroying the homes and families of future populations of the world, with poisons, sewerage overflows. Future Food and water rationing, removing your ability to move around freely with out charging you for it. Deindustralisation of employment so the nations of people have to beg one source universal credit to survive, which you will be allowe d but only if you are willing to have your thinking demonatised and are compliant,

So who is creating all these policies that set one group of humans against another,
who is creating by law to tier policing of free speech,
Who is creating the new culture wars of Britain,
Who created the financial crashes, via planned bad management of our multiple taxes.
Who is allowing the failing energy crises,
Who created the housing shortage problems.

One thing for sure it is not the people, they are just too naive to see the fat controllers manipulating the situation through appalling political policies that ” deviously always fail” the peoples ability to survive unscathed into the free generations they should be on this planet.
Men do not stand up for Women and Children, for the Family, for the future of the human race are either Sissies, or part of the elite group, or are the actual perpetrators of abuse paid for or not as the case may be. but the one thing they will never be.
Is what the wold recognises as Bravehearts,

” thing ” = think . Cheers Geri 🙂

Wouldn’t you just hate to be working for the BBC right now.

When the traas people have served their purpose to break down social norms for the elites, then new policies will be introduced against the trans community, outlawing them, that is the way of the elites controlling and creating the regime changes

The trass community will be left on the sidelines as entertaining drag queen painted clowns without a circus of laws protecting them, and perhaps the politicians will go as far as imprisoning some to set examples. As they always do.
Even to famous pedos.

The TRAs were used to pave the way for full blown fascism.

Full blown authoritarianism is now our future.

The American bullshit of democracy is in tatters along with their pretend *Western values*

They’re not even hiding it anymore. If the colonisers don’t like who the plebs vote for they simply declare it not legitimate/overthrow it or install a puppet.

Jeez, the white supremacist is back.

Hatey

When will it dawn on you that there is no need for immigration at all if you just told yer handlers to stop warring & destabilising other people’s countries & pinching other people’s talents & resources.

Scotland doesn’t need a bunch of ultra right wing warring racist English refugees moving in.
The English should stay where they are. Look around themselves & marvel at the fruits of their labour. It’s cost them £billions in bombs for that very outcome.

& Fresh news just in. I is evacuating. I wonder where they’ll all go? Look for a *house a buddy for free government money* coming to a policy near you..

Robert Hughes & Doug;

Youse should try a nice day oot in Dumfries & Galloway….

SkipN_C @ 4.09 pm:

“I’d be tempted to say my pronouns are She/He/It/They and it is literal violence to put them in any other order. Yes, I’d be making a point.”

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Aha! I see what you did there 😉

Turbadin;

I fear that 317 years of conditioning and 50+ years of 100% foreign media have done the job, many Scots [40%+?] are too thick/brainwashed/apathetic to see through the lies and will bleat about energy prices/cost of living/crumbling infrastructure etc but will insist that it’s the Scottish Government to blame. [As intended].

The case sensitive john main: “I’ve concluded that if we have to have immigration (and both Hatuey and ScotGov insist that we must), then some forms of immigration are better than others…”

Didn’t you get the memo? I’m against immigration right now on the basis that we don’t have the facilities, public services, and infrastructure to handle more people. The situation is bleak; I’d actually say it’s so bad that Glasgow and most of the central belt is without a functioning health service right now.

Consider that insight a gift since my reason for wanting to call a temporary halt to immigration is much more likely to be judged reasonable and taken seriously than yours.

Here’s another; as I explained last week, there’s a big difference between immigration to a colony and immigration to an independent state. I am in favour of the latter and if your only concern is how people might vote in a future referendum, you have no reason to object to it.

I’ve stress tested the arguments of those who prioritise Scottish culture as a basis for opposing immigration. Nobody could even define it in intelligible terms.

There used to be a strong sense of working class culture in Scotland and it was a force to be reckoned with, a force that Westminster truly feared. I miss that, and I think Scotland could do with it today. It’s hard to believe it’s all gone…

For those interested, we are still at ‘Defcon Popcorn’ in the Middle East but edging closer and closer to ‘Kiss your ass goodbye’ levels… I will endeavour to keep you updated.

Hatuey;

“I’ve stress tested the arguments of those who prioritise Scottish culture as a basis for opposing immigration. Nobody could even define it in intelligible terms.”

then;

“There used to be a strong sense of working class culture in Scotland…”

I don’t oppose immigration per se, rich ageing scroungers from the south being the main exception.

I agree on point 2.

Now, define it for us.

@Lorna Campbell

It seems to be that the check that counts in boxing is what the gender is on passport.No notice is being taken of the serious harm that might be done to women.

Lord Coe one of the members of the IOC (have you seen the list?) says what approach is taken in athletics.

“DSD athletes will be required to reduce their blood testosterone level to below 2.5 nanomoles per litre, down from five, and must remain under this threshold for two years in order to compete internationally in the female category in any track and field event.

Under previous regulations, DSD athletes were only restricted in events ranging from 400m to a mile.

Interim provisions will be introduced for DSD athletes already competing in previously unrestricted events, requiring them to suppress their testosterone levels below 2.5nmol/L for a minimum of six months before they are allowed to compete again.

Coe said this will impact 13 DSD athletes, seven (55%) of whom compete in running events above a mile, with six (45%) in sprinting events below 400m.

He added none of the 13 will now be able to compete in the World Athletics Championships in Budapest in August, but will be eligible for future events, including the Paris 2024 Olympics, “if they maintain their testosterone at the required level”.”

“Nobody could even define it in intelligible terms.”

How intelligible do you need it?

Would you like to live with the customs & traditions of Sharia law? How about Judaism or Christian fundamentalists? Would you be so bold as to claim they didn’t have a culture? Not if you value yer head, or yer arse, depending on who you insult.

“There used to be a strong sense of working class culture in Scotland and it was a force to be reckoned with, a force that Westminster truly feared. I miss that, and I think Scotland could do with it today. It’s hard to believe it’s all gone…”

Aye, it’s called capitalism. Suck a country dry, invest nothing, move on..
& Deindustrialisation. Buy it cheaper elsewhere & be totally fcked in a crisis or when the powers that be taken a hissy fit & start issuing sanctions & trade embargoes.