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CameronB Brodie

Dave just isn’t prepared to accept there might be a world outwith his imagination. Or that he might not be superior. He has the ‘English disease’.

A unified biosocial theory of personality and its role in the development of anxiety states.
link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sensibledave

Aye right

I am genuinely unsure what point you want to make.

Nobody disagrees that cv19 is responsible for the deaths of many people. That might 10, 20 or 30 thousand, maybe even more over the next year. It’s a deadly virus that has spread around the world killing 100s of thousands.

The figures on hospital beds being used are falling, the curve has been flattened, for the time being. Are you arguing the lockdown should end or that it should be tighter?

Sensibledave

Cammy

You are a fraud.

Stop blathering, produce evidence.

You can’t.

You are a dick.

Ayeright

@Sensibledave

I’ll tell what I’m arguing, the Westminster government are hiding the true death toll from the virus. Without this current lockdown numbers of deaths would still be increasing exponentially and not just 80% greater than the 5 year average.

Their plan is clear, “herd immunity” is so as to protect the economy rather than people. I hope you don’t believe for a moment that in 3 weeks’ time the lockdown will be lifted and it will be back to normal.

It won’t be, social distancing will still be the mantra and there will be no such thing as a “return to normal” at least before a vaccine is developed. That could take a year or more, that’s if they ever do develop one. That is needed in order to protect those most at risk and who are currently dying before their time.

You know who I mean, your mum and dad or granny and grandad.

Capella

@ Ian Brotherhood 10.06 pm – thx for the link. I read the article but haven’t seen the video yet. Two points I’d make are that the Trump family are said to have links to the drug manufacturer, which is why Trump keeps plugging it.

Two, the final point about how stupid the Chinese are reeks of Trumpism. I clicked on Liberymavenstock but that didn’t lead to any info on who this author is. Maybe Trump wrote it himself. He does know everything you know.

So hyper sceptical. But will look at the video and see what it says.

CameronB Brodie

Dave must have a very strong urge to maintain the British state, despite Scotland’s lack of access to constitutional justice. He’s been pedaling his right-wing populism for years now, always seeking to appear moderate and logical. This is how the New Right operates to gull the gullible.

Full text.

The Narcissism Spectrum Model: A Synthetic View of Narcissistic Personality
link to journals.sagepub.com

CameronB Brodie

Dave’s a Tory so here’s some science. πŸ˜‰

The Relationship between the Brexit Vote and Individual Predictors of Prejudice: Collective Narcissism, Right Wing Authoritarianism, Social Dominance Orientation
link to frontiersin.org

Dan

Famous15 says: at 4:48 pm

Dan and coriander you must know that a virus is not a bacterial infection and that is why doctors do not must not prescribe antibiotics for flu and other virals.

Ya, and of course I’m not suggesting it will cure covid or pneumonia outright. But the virus seems to have a propensity to cause pneumonia which is a bacterial infection. And as earlier posts appeared to elude to the possibility that uptake of oxygen into the bloodstream is an issue, not having pneumonia is probably a good thing.
Eating a load of decent nutrients and vitamins is going to be a good idea at the best of times to keep immune system performing as good as it can.

My old man passed after a heavy flu that developed into pneumonia which led to organ shutdown.
He was initially turned away from doctors twice and sent home from hospital once about a week before things got drastic and he was finally taken to hospital ICU and quickly fitted with an oxygen mask, then shifted later that day with blues and twos to a different hospital with a renal ward. Once there they cycled between IV antibiotics and dialysis in an attempt to balance between treating the infection and dealing with organ shutdown.
I was told this was done as the dialysis basically filters out the IV antibiotics hence the cycle between the two processes whilst monitoring various parameters.
As an engineer I found the technique very interesting. In a different life I’d often thought of nursing but was too far down the spanner path.
My dad was a smart cookie and he knew that when he briefly removed the oxygen mask he was wearing and watched the blood oxygen saturation levels drop quickly that it wasn’t a good sign.
We got a couple of days with him but when he finally managed to get up to try to go to the toilet a blood clot that had developed during the time he was immobile with his organs shutting down must have moved and caused him to collapse and that was it, lights out in a fleeting moment.

Willie

Interesting how the Police and the Crown Prosecution Service have been issued direction where for example it is illegal to but paint and brushes for DIY at hone whilst buying food, or st least certain types of food is not.

Given the right to issue on the spot Β£960.00 fines one can see how the police and 5he public in England are going to come into conflict.

And that is exactly what the American constitution allows citizens to bear arms. It’s so that citizens can resist a government, a hostile force, that turns against them.

Policing is only by consent. If it is not consent then it is chaos.

ahundredthidiot

Dan @6:54

Thanks for sharing that. My own Da was taken by flu a few years ago. I suppose there is small comfort to be taken in Natures way, surviving humanity/making it to the line, and all that.

Robert Kerr

Peeps

Scotgoespop blog is interesting. Not really for the blog post itself but rather for the BTL comments especially those by “Rolfe”.
Also some gen on “experts” who are really shills for the Union.
Take note Nicola!
Death trajectory from Johns Hopkins is interesting. Link..
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Interesting times!

Capella

@ Ian Brotherhood – I agree with what the medic is saying – that this virus is not flu. It’s a new combination of virus dna and we have no immunity. Survival seems to depend on how efficient your immune system is.

The Chinese medics Handbook I linked to earlier says IIRC that some patients didn’t improve on ventilators. The medics ran their blood through a machine which oxygenated it instead. Can’t remember what they called that.

link to alnap.org

CameronB Brodie

Dave would rather ignore expert advice and rely on his personal prejudice to guide his actions. Dave’s a typical Tory. The party he support is culpable of gross social abuse, criminal negligence, and an approach to social policy that is essentially 21st eugenics. English Torydum is getting closer to full-fat-fascism every day. Time to get moving peeps.

Full text.

The continuing tensions between individual rights and public health. Talking Point on public health versus civil liberties
link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Dog biscuit

Just watched The Corbet Report and found ther are protests against β€˜lockdown β€˜ which isn’t being reported in MSM If it is being reported protesters being described as dangerous nutters.As Corbet says public compliance let’s Governm away with it . I’ve noticed that the only people asking questions appear to be on the right of politics while the left leaning more likely to comply. Your compliance makes prisoners of us all. When was the last time this happened? Only now .You all have a cheek calling anyone a Tory while you slavishly believe Tory propaganda indeed you think they’re not telling us the true horror when really the only horror is how compliant,supine you are.As you can tell I’m not here to make friends I want people to stop buying this shit.No one denies there’s a nasty strain of flu doing the rounds but you’re complete surrendered astounds me .I used read this site every day because I thought you lot were sensible.What you are is old and frightened There is only one way to get Independence and that’s not going to happen in this country. Your talking shop is going nowhere.

Sensibledave

Cammy

… you need to take a long hard look at yourself!

β€œDave’s a typical Tory”. In one sentence you display all of the prejudice and bias in the world. You discriminate on the grounds of race, you discriminate on the grounds of political leaning, you stereotype, you generalise and you make s**t up.

You have made some pretty outrageous statements on a public forum Cammy. You could retract them … or you could produce a scrap of evidence. But there is no evidence, so you are just a pseudo intellectual, fake academic, liar!!!

Still waiting Cammy (cue more boring links from Cammy that try to deflect from his own enormous personal inadiquacies!

ahundredthidiot

FFS

would sensibledave and Cammy PLEASE, just get a room, fellas.

Breastplate

Dog Biscuit,
I don’t agree with this type of lockdown, I am not right wing.
Let’s not forget that it is a right wing government implementation.

Also there is an interesting article in RT about the cost of lives because of this lockdown.
link to rt.com

Capella

@ Ian Brotherhood – I’ve looked in the Handbook and I was probably remembering something called Extra Corporeal Membrane Oxygenation
On page 49 – Part Ill. Daily Management and Monitoring of ECMO (Extra Corporeal Membrane Oxygenation)

On p 24 of the Handbook the Chinese medics mention using chloroquine phosphate – an antiviral drug. I’m not a doctor so have no idea if this is in any way similar to the hydroxychloroquine drug which one of Trump’s companies has an interest in.

The Guardian has a podcast on this;
link to theguardian.com

jfngw

Watched Dominic Raab say they took into account and used the experience from elsewhere to guide their response. I can only ascertain from this then is the death toll was planned as they followed the countries with the worst outcomes.

Of course this was just bullshit to con the unaware that they had done a brilliant job by having the worst death rate in Europe, maybe the world at the end if we measure deaths per million.

ahundredthidiot

8pm

Imbeciles clapping

Sad

Sad

Sad

CameronB Brodie

Those calling for a swift let-up of the lock-down, probably are not qualified to make such a judgement, so have a right to express an opinion that endangers public health.

Full text.

Btw, this approach to public health is not possible without a legal respect for biology. πŸ˜‰

The precautionary principle: in action for public health
link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

CameronB Brodie

Sensibledav
I just recognise an illiberal bigot when I see one. πŸ˜‰

pussy nancy

This new ‘R’ thing, at least I’ve never heard of it before. Erm…what is it again? I suspect it is to add even more confusion to the confusion.

The Government now asking/telling people with underlying illnesses to attend hospital? How odd. Must be running low on numbers enabling manipulation!

I’m with Ayeright on this in that the Government is hiding the true number of deaths. They are at least double if not more than what is being presented. Running scared maybe?

This thoroughly corrupt and useless lot know fine well that they have cocked this up big style! (although I am not discounting intentionally!} Way, way, way above any of their capabilities. Jesus, Dominic Rabb didn’t even know the function of the Dover Port when he became Brexit Minister!

Does anyone know if the front bench has all returned from their very obviously arranged staggered holidays yet?

ahundredthidiot

CBB

I’m going to be honest – you’re starting to annoy me

Capella

Snopes thinks that, although Donald Trump’s family trusts do invest in companies manufacturing hydroxychloroquine, this wouldn’t provide enough financial return to be significant.

link to snopes.com

CameronB Brodie

ahundredthidiot
The idiot is simply giving me a platform to inform the debate with a scientific world view, which the British constitution can not resist. You either submit to British constitutionalism or you respect legal and social science. You can’t do both at the same time. πŸ˜‰

CameronB Brodie

Sorry….so have NO right to….

Sensibledave

Cammy..still no eveidence, Fraud, Liar (and a V boring one at that!)

ahundredthidiot

Capella @ 8:10

aye, and so does anyone in Scotland in receipt of a pension, phew, what a let off…..

That’s how ridiculous the anti-Trump nutters are.

Not enough clout to work out the consequences of their own bizarre shit throwing.

CameronB Brodie

Sensibledave
I’ll be eternity grateful for your fortitude in bring us your wisdom. Keep up the good work. TA. πŸ˜‰

ahundredthidiot

CBB

You just seem to keep contradicting yourself though. One minute you bemoan the ‘fascist tories’ and then agree with their right wing lock down strategy to the point of warning against relaxation……because we’re not qualified…..ergo, suggesting that thee Tory Party are right…..maybe because they listen to ‘experts’….the type of which you condone because they got a degree at some diddy university in some diddy discipline…..and then criticise the outcome…….maybe.

It’s bloody annoying – you’re just trying too hard to be clever. I will happily listen to your opinion one way or another, but forgive me for scrolling on past when I see a link in bold or a cut and paste lecture to someone else opinion.

Ian Brotherhood

@Capella –

Just a quick one to acknowledge your comments and continuing efforts to shed some light on all this.

My medical pal has only commented that things seem to be shifting apace but how long it’ll take for a change in treatment/procedures to be reflected in governmental policy is another matter.

CameronB Brodie

ahundredthidiot
You obviously know little about public health, and need to take a good look at yourself before pointing fingers. Some of the stuff you’ve been posting has gotten my finger twitching, believe me. Mind yourself, or I might not hold back next time.

Willie

Dan @ 6.54.

The loss of a parent especially when they understand the physical reason for their demise is something that lives with their children for a lifetime.

This is a thoroughly rotten disease, but all diseases are. That hurts, especially when the departed goes before their time. However, the callous COVID 19 decision to sacrifice older people the expense of saving the economy is something that will burn into the memory of those who have lost loved ones.

Think of the good times, of which there will be many Dan, and think what your Dad would have wanted, and maybe, just maybe, you will one day look back with a smile to what you were lucky enough to have.

ahundredthidiot

CBB

How can I not respond to that?

Clearly you are not alone in being a coward of the highest order with no opinion of your own.

Please, by all means, let rip…….

dakk

Had a closer look at Flight Radar and I may have been mistaken earlier about cranking back to normality.

A comfortable majority of flights are still cargo and other non specific flights.

Flights disappearing very quickly from the FR app shortly after take off hiding destination.

Mike d

I see captain tom moore has now raised 15 million for the NHS. Very commendable. But to all you Scots who donated, i’d be asking how much if any of that will be going to the SNHS.

ahundredthidiot

dakk

I have been monitoring FR24 on and off for days – and there has been some bizarre activity on there the likes of which I have never seen. PWK to russia…NA destinations, Loganair flights to Latvia, private jets out of east mids flying in circles over the N sea for hours…….it’s mental.

Mike d

Should have said NHS england and wales.

CameronB Brodie

ahundredthidiot
I’m perhaps being a bit active right now as I’m trying to perform a number of tasks at the same time, as time is of the essence. By all means you are entitled to an opinion, but why not just mind yourself in future. I’ve been doing this for a while and I think I’ve managed to strike a balance that is acceptable to the Rev and the crew.

I’m not saying you talk shite all the time, you do make some good points. You appear happy to be prescriptive concerning matters that appear to be outwith you competence though. That needs some improvement work on your part, IMHO. πŸ˜‰

John D

Total deaths worldwide stands at just over 140,000. Only a dishonest Tory cunt would claim that hundreds of thousands have died. It must be a mental illness to have such a disconnect with reality. I wonder which came first for Tory Dave. His dishonesty or his fascist nature .

jfngw

Looks like Andrew Neil has had a bit too much of the Blue Nun, he thinks it’s ironic using this brand but it is actually about his class of wine I would say, lashing out on twitter because he made a fool of himself yesterday. Not sure why yesterday is so important to him, as far as I can remember he did this regularly on air.

Anyway at his age he was probably a Cliff Richard fan, I suspect he has a quiet passion for The Young Ones.

ahundredthidiot

CBB

that’s fine – let me know when you want a real time public health debate of apparently which I know jack shit and I will take you on, Acts, Sections, Sub sections and the consequences there of within the current context of COVID19 response for Category 1 and 2 responders.

Just let me know.

I know where my weaknesses lie – humility and kindness – I will work on mine and hopefully you will work on your arrogance.

CameronB Brodie

ahundredthidiot
Rattling off legislation is no proof of understanding. Care to share what your frame of reference is?

Dan

@Willie
I notice I didn’t make it clear that this happened well over a decade ago so long through the grieving process now.

Email in from First Minster. Hmm, she doesn’t even highlight or make the distinction it’s the Scottish NHS…

Together, we will get through this

Let me start with a heartfelt thank you.

Lockdown is tough. I know people are struggling. But let’s not forget, we’re doing it to save lives.

Later this evening I’ll be joining many of you again in the clap for our carers.

As we do so, take a moment to reflect on how together we’ve slowed the spread of the virus.

Fact is by staying home we’ve stopped the virus running rampant – we’ve protected the NHS and made sure lives have been saved.

Now, of course, we need to keep going. We can’t risk lifting the lockdown until we see all the numbers coming down.

So please stick with it – stay home, protect our NHS, save lives.

In the days ahead I hope to be able to set out some detail on the plan we are developing to plot next steps and the best way forward from this lockdown. I will be back in touch then.

Capella

@ Ian Brotherhood – some interesting threads on twitter. This from an actuary. Actuaries make it their business to find out what might kill off their customers.

There’s been a bit of an unpleasant and inaccurate narrative over recent days that the majority of COVID-19 deaths were people who were β€œat death’s door” in any case. That they died β€œwith” rather than β€œof” the disease. I want to address that…
The first thing that jumps out from the medical history section of Table 1 is that 93% of those critically ill with COVID-19 were β€œable to live without assistance in daily activities” prior to developing the disease. That typically suggests reasonable health. 3/8

link to twitter.com

and an update explaining why admissions to ICUs are younger and healthier than you might expect (consistent with what the consultant interviewed by Ch4? said):

link to twitter.com

Dog biscuit

You still have nothing to say about the theft of your civil liberties.Projected deaths have proved fantastical.Our politicians including scunner Sturgeon will not let go of the powers they have granted themselves.Captain Moore being propagated to manipulate your heart strings. Do you all think the economy will bounce back if we are released from house arrest any time soon? Can I ask what planet some of you are on? Just in case you’re not sure this planet we’re on is called Earth. This whole crisis has been couched in emotional language.No one had anything to say about Sweden’s handling of this crisis. I know it’s difficult to admit when you have been conned. Is it a good idea to wreck the economy?How to run a health service with no economy .Im sure there is an expert here or a magician who can work that one out.I bet Captain Moore had no hesitation when the ramp went down on his landing craft at Normandy .None of us feartys are fit to lace his boots

CameronB Brodie

It is only science deniers and the unaware who oppose the “precautionary principle”, which won’t last long in Brexitania.

Full text.

Precautionary Principles in Constitutional Law
link to academic.oup.com

jfngw

I wonder what the odds are that Scottish care homes will still not be able to actually order PPE from these companies in another country. The policy change was probably just ‘take it off your website’ and tell them there is no stock if they try to order.

Sensibledave

Ayeright 6.33

… they are not hiding anything mate. They don’t know, and neither does anyone else, how many people have died because of Covid 19. You need to get your head round that.

If someone dies in hospital, if they were perhaps on a ventilator and if they tested positive for Covid 19 – then it is relatively straight forward.

If someone dies in the community (about 40,000 a month do in normal times) then they either die as a result of an accident or some variation of the term “ill health”. I believe the “accident rate” in the UK is about 5000 per month. That means around 35,000 die because of ill health.

If someone is one day, or one week, or one month, or two or 3 months, fronm their “natural” death … then, in many cases they are very unwell. We have learned that those that are very unwell are the vast majority of the victims of Covid 19. Yes it can take the young and the previously well, but the vast majority are elderly and with underlying conditions.

If someone with heart failure is in their last days of their “natural” life, and then are tested positive for CV 19 and, sadly, die – someone has to decide if they died of CV19. What do you think? Do you think they should be reported as a Covid 19 death or not?
Hopefully, that helps answer your question about the death toll.

Moving on, you wrote “Without this current lockdown numbers of deaths would still be increasing exponentially and not just 80% greater than the 5 year average.”

Thats right Ayeright. Thats why we are in lockdown. Are you objecting to, or supporting, the lockdown Ayeright?

You wrote “Their plan is clear, β€œherd immunity” is so as to protect the economy rather than people.

The government have been very clear about their plan. The plan was/is to “delay” the spread of the virus (implicit in the word “delay” is an acceptance that stopping the spread is not possible without people dying for other reasons (eg, because they do not have food, medicine, or money).

Whether you believe that was/is the right plan or not, it is fair to say that the plan, as described, is working. Hospitalisations are starting to fall (3% down today), then the numbers in ICU will start to fall, then the number of deaths will start to fall. The NHS, under enormous difficulty, has performed brilliantly. They havent been overwhelmed. We have enough beds in hospitals and we have enough ICU beds.

You then wrote “I hope you don’t believe for a moment that in 3 weeks’ time the lockdown will be lifted and it will be back to normal.”

I don’t Ayeright. I dont think I am aware of single person that thinks that. Whether it is in 3 weeks or some longer period, I am pretty sure it will be a gradual process involving different work groups, schools, ages or whatever.

You then wrote “It won’t be, social distancing will still be the mantra and there will be no such thing as a β€œreturn to normal” at least before a vaccine is developed. That could take a year or more, that’s if they ever do develop one. That is needed in order to protect those most at risk and who are currently dying before their time.”

We agree.

You then wrote “You know who I mean, your mum and dad or granny and grandad”

Sadly Ayeright Grand parents are long gone (heart failure (x2) and cancer (x2)). Mum and Dad died within 3 weeks of each other 10 in 2001. I am the late middle aged bloke that has had pneumonia caused by some mysterious infection about 6 years ago. So I am probably in the firing line for CV19 myself.

My personal view on my own position is that I am following the government guidelines on social distancing. I think though, I am resigned to the fact that I will be exposed at some point (if I havent already) and that I will take my chances … about 1 in a hundered? The alternative is for my life to effectively stop. Not work. Not see my grown up kids or the grand kids. Not go out. Not go on holiday. Not go down the pub or out for a meal. What would be the point?

I am shopping for an elderly relative with a respatory disorder that I do not believe could survive CV 19. She is in her eighties, at home, alone. Thank god we have trained her up on facetime, facebook and the rest. I dont think she will ever come again to be frank.

CameronB Brodie

I know Cummings is a keen eugenicist and he sees Brexit as a liberating emancipation of UK bio-science. But he does not respect science, he wants to misuse it for illiberal ends that simply scream social Darwinism.

ahundredthidiot

CBB

I rattled off no such legislation, I put, in one sentence how I could debate current legislation, in all its detail, and how it manifests itself in the operational front line, in terms of response.

Despite my weaknesses, one of my strengths is getting to the fucking point.

No. I am not prepared to share a frame of reference.

Sensibledave

John D

… I rather suspect that you, together with a number of others on here, don’t actually know what a fascist is. Anyway, join the queue of brainless numpties that hurl that word out as an insult to anyone that has a different view to them.

All it demonstrates is that you are a dick (you and canmmy could form a band)!!? The dickless dicks? Great name for you.

CameronB Brodie

ahundredthidiot
I’d suggest you’re avoiding the point then.

CameronB Brodie

Fascist are strongly opposed to the legal self-determination of Others. Simples.

Capella

@ sarah 12.06 am – thx for replying – i agree that we are in a precarious position. But the Holyrood elections haven’t been cancelled yet.

The problem IMO is campaigning. The British parties have all the media at their disposal and will use them. The advantage of the YES groups, and I include the SNP, is boots on the ground. We have the people who will knock on doors, put up street stalls and YES hubs, hold AUOB marches and town hall meetings.

The disparity between the membership and enthusiasm of the British parties an the Indy supporters is stark. If it wasn’t for the lying press an TV we would already have independence.

It will probably become clear in the next few months how dangerous this virus is and what we are going to do about it. We could talk about that on this blog even. But we can’t knock on doors and have large gatherings until it is safe to do so. Leaflets and PPBs aren’t going to be enough.

And – I don’t trust electronic or postal voting either!

twathater

To all sniping snidely at people on here who have no other option but to act in accordance with gov recommendations , I watched a programme last night on doctors in hospital treating patients with covid19 and it was frightening and emotional in equal measure

No one , not even us retired , unemployed or unemployable want to be housebound or curtailed in our freedoms , if you REALLY think all these doctors , surgeons , nurses and carers are being hoodwinked and conned into a govt conspiracy to subvert our freedoms then you are seriously deluded

To all the capitalists worried about their investments and businesses blame your fellow capitalists the tories for extending the misery you perceive you are suffering from , but always remember there are no pockets in shrouds your health is your wealth and when it is gone NO AMOUNT of money can take it’s place

Pete

Dog biscuit
Calm down.
I agree entirely with what you say.
No need for me to expand further.
You’ve covered all the points.

Dog biscuit

How are boots on the ground an advantage when we are locked up?scoence denying? Precautionary principle?

Pete

Twathater
You say you have β€˜no other option but to do as you’re told’.
Are you on a tag or have you been so brainwashed that you can’t think for yourself?

ahundredthidiot

CBB

Given your question – I would suggest you are sounding more like 77 than some of the usual suspects.

Don’t get me wrong – I don’t think for a second you are 77, but why try to flush out my livelihood/role on social media?

I am going to let you have the last word….something tells me that is important to you.

ahundredthidiot

twathater @9:45

‘I watched a programme…’

Jesus….what hope have we….

ALL the MSM is COMPLETELY CONTROLLED – wake the fuck up!

Famous15

Stand by yore beds you orrible lot!

Anundredthidiot sir.

Ready for inspection.Sir. 77th by the left.

BTW Alex CoalHamilton would make a better eedjit than Willie Rennie who really is one.

CameronB Brodie

ahundredthidiot
Why be a prick?

CameronB Brodie

ahundredthidiot
That meant you, what’s your problem? Lacking tolerance perhaps?

Patrick Roden

Alan Mackintosh says:
“Cameron BB, from a discussion with a care home guy I know, all the covid deaths are from heart failure,(thats on the death certificate) which figures I guess, in that the body eventually gives up from lack of oxygen/fatigue.”

The thing is Alan, the way the body takes oxygen from the lungs and distributes it around our body is through the blood.

So, if you are short of oxygen your heart’s reaction is to beat faster, to get the oxygen to the necessary organs/muscles/brain, etc.

It could be that what is happening is that the OAP’s are short of oxygen because the respiratory function is impaired through this virus.
The heart is desperately trying to compensate and get the little oxygen that the person is able to breathe in, to the most vital organs (especially the brain).
Eventually, the person’s natural weakness through age, as well as the debilitating effects of having this virus leads to them having a heart attack.

This is important because it shows the effects of ‘comorbidity’
(a person having more than one condition) and we know how desperate the governments are to downplay just how many people are dying from this virus.

ahundredthidiot

Ok, CBB, will try not to be;

‘apparently’, there was 5 days of zero death registrations in Scotland due to rule changes in how death registrations are now recorded to cope with COVID19, so late March figures down a bit, early April figure will be inflated.

Community Deaths are definitely up, but Hospital deaths are effectively at business as usual, prob because no one is going to Hospital unless COVID or absolutely necessary – so, the BAU return on mortuary figures is normal. Potentially this is a false outcome as it does not account for deaths in the community, which are through the roof (not my definition, but I have no reason to doubt the source) and will no doubt account for the circa 80% increase in figures compared to BAU.

I would guess that this figure will double BAU. So, as I said earlier, (and thanks to Col Blimp/Golf Nut) links to real figures matter, in order to build a proper picture of a developing situation.

Brian Doonthetoon

Hi peeps.

The National Health Service in Scotland is called “NHS Scotland”.
Their logo has NHS with a downward pointing bracket below it.
Underneath that bracket is the qualifier – it could be “Scotland”, “Tayside”, Grampian”, “Education” and so on.

Thus the correct abbreviation would be “NHSS”.
The slanting NHS logo is England’s NHS but they don’t feel the need to proclaim that it is England’s NHS.

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ahundredthidiot

Famous 15

did you ever work out ‘by the left – centre- right’ or do you simply repeat?

it’s the difference between those who question and those who follow……so, which one are you?

Alan Mackintosh

Capella, Ian B,
re the chloroquine phosphate, I came across the following article some time ago which I then suggested to everyone I knew to start on the (gin) and Tonic.

From this article and the comments btl, it seems the drugs actions are to modify the blood pH( affects the virus) and also more importantly allows zinc to enter the virus which disrupts it. The drug acting as a zinc ionophore…

link to wattsupwiththat.com

link to asiatimes.com

ahundredthidiot

Sorry, Famous 15

I just re-red your post – I m guessing you are assuming I am 77 or have a military background?

You would be half right.

they tried to get me back after I left – more than once btw – I am touched, of course……

CameronB Brodie

Brian Doonthetoon
I’ll try to remember but please pick me up on it if I don’t. πŸ˜‰

Patrick Roden

@CBB,

Racism is a crime.

To call someone a racist is to accuse them of committing a crime.

To accuse someone of committing a crime, without evidence, is in itself a crime.

Being a clever man you will know this, right?

If it was up to me people like Dave would be banned from this site, but it’s not my site so I don’t make the rules, however as long as Dave is allowed to post here, we at least need to show him some respect and not make serious claims about his character, without having the evidence to back it up.

If you see racism from anyone on here, contact rev and he will promptly deal with that person.

Col.Blimp IV

ahundredthidiot

“ALL the MSM is COMPLETELY CONTROLLED – wake the fuck up!”

Hardly a revelation, even less so to people who visit this site.

On C4 news tonight I watched a piece, which MAY not have contained many/any lies. But WAS 100% pure undiluted propaganda.

Condemning the Big Brother tactics of the Russian police, for checking the citizens who were out and about for their digital permits, issued only to those who were authorised to go to work.

Berating the Commie Bastard Government for; under-reporting of covid figures, not acting quickly enough, not doing enough testing, not supplying enough PPE and not having enough ventilators. They even displayed a still taken at a railway station concourse, which had red squares CGI’d around the faces of the commuters and alleged that the secret police were using facial-recognition software to weed out the heroic lockdown-busters.

Thank God we are living in the “Free” World.

Which does not alter the fact that without drastic measures the virus will lead to a breakdown of the health service, cause the unnecessary premature deaths of thousands, perhaps more than the undertaking industry can handle and subject many more to the agony and anguish of having to struggle for every breath for a week or two without proper medical attention.

It is not cowardice to wish to avoid that.

It is not stupidity to fear that it may happen.

Any more than it is bravery to tempt fate to strike you down.

CameronB Brodie

Patrick Roden
I hear what you are saying but I’ve got some knowledge of this stuff. I was perhaps a bit blunt but I wanted to make a point. Being a cleaver man, hopefully you can appreciate when I’m being measured, and when I’ve simply lost the rag. πŸ˜‰

ahundredthidiot

Col Blimp

You are an idiot.

If you haven’t worked it out by now, you probably never will.

ahundredthidiot

Col Blimp

Forgot to add

You are an out and out Coward.

You’re not alone

Patrick Roden

@CBB,

Mate I fully understand you ‘losing the rag’ but the best strategy, when faced with someone on here that gets you wound up, is to ignore them.

Otherwise, they have won.

Dan

Col.Blimp IV says: at 11:31 pm

Thank God we are living in the β€œFree” World.

Well up here we might be, but jeezo this isn’t far off Robocop.

link to twitter.com

CameronB Brodie

Patrick Roden πŸ˜‰

Capella

@ Alan Macintosh – thx for the info – I was looking for an excuse!
G & T it is.

ROB

@capella. Is this what you mean…
Extracorporeal Membrane Oxygenation (ECMO) life-support machine.

Effijy

Can’t believe there hasn’t been 250,000 signatures on the Change.org site?

A rejection of the MP’s Β£10000 corona virus β€˜working from home’ allowance.

Do people actually think Tory MPs should actually get a Β£10K
Bonus for the inconvenience of having to work from the home
The tax payers probably bought for them?

Get it signed!

ahundredthidiot

CBB

Well, you’re certainly a more cleaverer man than me…patrick Roden agrees…….Jeez

K1

Noting we didn’t already know regarding the antibody test but good journalism nevertheless, they (UK gov) paid 20 million quid upfront to not just one but 2 Chinese companies for the antibody tests that didn’t work. They left everything too late as we all know too well on here, we are literally run by a bunch of arseholes…sigh.

link to nytimes.com

robertknight

link to theneweuropean.co.uk

Not sure if it qualifies as ‘yesterday’s news’.

ahundredthidiot

Anyone defending these current measures is either a fascist sympathiser/an out and out coward – or just a good old fashioned shite-bag

ahundredthidiot

Patrick Roden

I seem to remember you trying to spread fear amongst our elderly

You are the lowest of the Low

do please, fuck the fuck off, Scotland does not need your nonsense

Col.Blimp IV

Dan

My Tongue was firmly in my cheek when I said that.

And we are not too far away from New Detroit up here either. Branson, Bezos, Gates, Musk and Trump are probably on the board of OCP.

K1

‘PPE firm defends decision to β€˜divert essential kit’ from Scotland to England during coronavirus epidemic’

The boss of a Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) distributor has said it was right to divert stocks from Scotland to English care homes amidst the Coronavirus epidemic.

Sam Gompels, managing director of Gompels HealthCare – a Wiltshire-based PPE distributor – said it was not Public Health England’s (PHE) fault that Scottish health authorities were too slow to establish distribution channels and that the health body had a right to demand the equipment remain within its borders.

He said: β€œWe love Scottish care homes dearly and we always have done. We will do our best to supply them, but, there must be a Scottish scheme and the questions should really be asked of the Scottish authorities or public health Scotland, whatever the equivalent is.

β€œThe fact is Public Health England got their finger out and organised these distribution channels and are getting pilloried for it because public health Scotland, or whatever the equivalent is, have not necessarily organised the same and that’s probably the nub of it.”

Scotland’s first minister Nicola Sturgeon addressed the claims, calling any disruption of supply to Scotland in favour of English care homes as β€œunconscionable and unacceptable.”

Scotland’s health secretary Jeane Freeman spoke with her Westminster counterpart Matt Hancock via conference call where the issue was ironed out.

She tweeted: β€œPleased @MattHancock changed his plans to join a constructive discussion of 4 Health Ministers & grateful 4 assurance that neither NHS England nor PHE asked suppliers to divert PPE orders from Scotland. We go forward constructively as before & continue to check on these supplies.”

Hancock had planned to cancel his weekly meeting with the nations’ health ministers but reneged after the issue dominated the media cycle north of the border.

PHE referred the matter to the Department of Health which issued a statement stressing that it was implementing a β€œUK-wide” strategy for distributing PPE and denied companies had been instructed to prioritise any country.

A UK Department of Health spokesman said: β€œOur PPE strategy is UK-wide, making sure that frontline workers in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all have the PPE they need to stay protected while taking care of patients.

β€œThrough this four-nation approach, we are working closely with the devolved administrations to co-ordinate the distribution of PPE evenly across the UK. To date, Scotland has received 11 million pieces of PPE from central UK stocks.

β€œWe have not instructed any company to prioritise PPE for any one nation. Our UK-wide strategy will ensure equipment continues to be evenly distributed across the entire nation.”

This comes as the CEO of Scottish Care – one of Scotland’s largest independent social care providers – Donald Macaskill complained of a β€œmassive dry-up” of PPE arriving in Scotland because companies were prioritising English facilities.

Public Health England sent Gompels Healthcare a shipment of stockpiled PPE which it specified were solely for English care homes. Gompels apologised to its customer base on its website saying restrictions on non-English companies were part of a criteria set out by PHE. A lot of the equipment were said to be out-of-date but recently retested and verified as safe.’

From above article posted by Robert Knight.

It’s not yesterday’s news, it shows the lie of some commenter’s on here insisting that this was not an issue, when it clearly was, the ‘publicity’ it received was the only reason that they (Public Health England’ changed it’s tune as it had clearly instructed the likes of Gompel to prioritise the PPE to England only care homes.

Hifud is a little snide prick who thinks the rest of us are ‘making shit up’ when it’s clear it was never ‘imaginary’ nor ‘devisive’ and if it was it was because English companies went along with PHE’s policy of only allowing English based companies to procure the fucking PPE.

ahundredthidiot

K1

Thank You for the post. I was seeing this shit in real time and all I could see on this website was NS on the big UK boat and arseholes in agreement.

Madness!

BTW, it’s not just PPE…..

CameronB Brodie

ahundredthidiot
You haven’t a clue and we are facing a public crises. Caw canny.

Sustainability and precaution: Part 2 How precautionary should we be?
link to vam.ac.uk

Davie Oga

Herd immunity

What type of degenerates would actually refer to their fellow citizens in such terms. Even Trump refused to repeat what the UK called their strategy. Calderwood, Leitch and The Queen of Mandates all went along with it as well. Sick twisted people. Failures

ahundredthidiot

CBB – so, let’s just nail this down, who is dealing with the crisis – you or me?

Ayeright

It astonishes me that you can provide evidence in the form of certified death certificates as submitted to the National registers of Scotland proving that the death rate for just a single week is 80% higher than the average for the previous 5 years and yet for some that evidence means nothing.

The week ending 12th April is likely to be exceeded when next weeks figures are released going by those revealed every day of deaths in hospitals.

It doesn’t matter at all whether or not a death certificate staes the cause of death is wholly ar partly a result of Covid-19. The simple fact that the average number of deaths is nearly double tells you all you need to know.

Someone talked about deaths from accidents, these are massively reduced by the lockdown simply due to fewer cars being on the road and no one at work in construction.

The idiots also fail to see that without the lockdown more people MUST get the virus and more people must die as a result. Vulnerable people, of course, are those most likely to die and that’s why 25% of the deaths are in care homes.

These poor souls don’t even make it to the hospital or as I saw on a news report the other day are being returned to the care home after turning up at A&E with symptoms but not even being tested.

That’s the real disgarce in all of this, the testing could be done and we have the kits and labs to do so, but…

Capella

@ ROB 11.51 – yes. I was quoting from the Chinese Handbook for Covid-19. Which I linked to above. They also mention using Chloroquine phosphate, an anti-malarial drug. See Alan Macintosh’s links to articles on this above. Or go off to the supermarket for some gin and tonic. For medicinal purposes.

Col.Blimp IV

ahundredthidiot says:@11:38 pm

“If you haven’t worked it out by now, you probably never will.”

If you mean – That the big fish have insulated themselves and intend gobble up all the little fish who fall victim to the economic Lockdown”?

I think they call that capitalism.

Do I win a cigar?

CameronB Brodie

ahundredthidiot
You don’t appear to appreciate the nature, value, or necessity of a precautionary approach to policy and government, yet you claim those who support it are fascists. A skeptical approach to life is healthy, but it needs to be grounded in reality.

The precautionary principle: Public health, protection of children and sustainability
link to who.int

ahundredthidiot

Col Blimp

you may well have won a cigar, but will you have time to smoke it…..

ahundredthidiot

I know this….my posts are being managed

Col.Blimp IV

Capella

There is no doubt a youtube video demonstrating how to make Chloroquine phosphate from tonic water and codliver oil.

Col.Blimp IV

ahundredthidiot

Who Knows, I used to be fairly impervious to disease but in recent years A heart attack and septicemia got the better of me maybe it will be third time lucky for The Grim Reaper.

twathater

@ Pete 9.52pm Pete you have made it clear by your postings on here that all you are interested in is money, money , money , no care or conscience for anyone or their suffering , just a typical self serving tory , never mind as things go you will not need to worry about tax evasion

———————————–
ahundredthidiot says:
17 April, 2020 at 12:07 am

Anyone defending these current measures is either a fascist sympathiser/an out and out coward – or just a good old fashioned shite-bag

So tell us cowards Mr ex service person just what you are doing to start the revolution , and shouldn’t you be back in uniform as your country needs you

End_Imminent

The hundredthidiot is far from wrong. Time is very short.

off-guardian.org/2020/04/16/covid19-criminalising-pathologising-dissent/

End_Imminent

I think this covers most commenters here, an excellent analysis of the hysteria and psychosis. The war against populism is over. It’s likely nationalists like us will be near the top of the list for special attention.

youtube.com/watch?v=Feh5TUENx4I

cynicalHighlander

Those screaming that they want the lock down lifted better go and find a padded cell soon as they will need it. China has now jumped from no deaths yesterday to 1290 today.

Sinky

Scotland In Union green ink brigade out in force in Scotsman letters page rewriting history on the fact that English firms were refusing to sell PPE equipment to Scottish care homes.

Also Ian Murray has column saying no time for politics then proceeds to attack SNP and extol Labour’s unbeatable team to win the next Holyrood elections

Breeks

I would ask people who think lockdown should be lifted to explain what their understanding of why the lockdown is there in the first place.

The biggest indictment of the lockdown I have, is the lockdown being undermined by the low volume of testing. Lockdown is intended to slow down the spread of unseen contagion, and allow is to flush it from cover to know where it is and where it is not, but without testing, that opportunity is lost, and furthermore, you don’t know when you’re safe to lift the lockdown.

But that doesn’t make lockdown fail, because even without testing, some people with the virus will pass through it’s incubation, the illness itself, (or not if they have no effects), and be passed out the far end beyond the point of being contagious, and won’t have past their infection on to anybody because the were isolated. Lockdown itself can thus save lives directly.

But sloppy lockdown, where people are allowed to mingle, allows the virus to find a new host, and the life cycle of infection, contagion, incubation, illness, etc lives to fight another day, and you have created the fresh need for a three week extension to your lockdown.

Thus one person if they have the virus on them, and without testing, how can anybody know, but that one person can disrupt the lives of everybody. When the extent of contagion and risk is still undetermined, and there’s no testing going on, does it not seem selfish for one person’s impatience to disrupt everybody else around them?

I totally get the UK’s frustration with lockdown, but if we’d been quicker off the mark and much more rigorous enforcing it, shut our border, not allowing tourists up for Easter, stop royalty visiting and bring known infections to Scotland, and shut our airports to all but essential flights, then we’d have contained the spread and neutralised it.

Yes, the risk remains. A fire can rekindle from a Single spark. But if there is no infection apparent in an area, you can cautiously ease lockdown in that safe zone provided you have a cordon to keep new infection out of that safe zone. There is no point making a safe zone if you don’t install protection to keep it a safe zone.

These are the controls you saw in China and Korea; people tested everywhere, check points monitoring people for symptoms… Public washing and decontamination of streets… Have you seen ANY of that in the UK? No. Instead, someone with the disease can bring his entourage from one end of the UK to the other with total impunity… fucking up the lockdown for everybody.

Sinky

Governor General Union Jack on BBC Radio Scotland GMS soon

Golfnut

@ K1

Well said, even now they can’t their story straight, contradictory stories all over the place.

Effijy

What on earth happened in China overnight?

The global Corona Stats had been showing very
Few deaths per day but this morning it’s 1,290 deaths?

Is it a correction over a longer period or is it back to square one?

End_Imminent

Blood tests to fly now, ready for the dystopian hell people?

WAKE THE F*CK UP!

End_Imminent

Yes, lets believe China when we need our fear pr0n hit.

WAKE UP !!

Cognitive dissonance and complete lack of critical thinking is astonishing on this blog.

Im at the point of running now. Not sittingn here like a boiled frog watching you all ignore the obvious.

Breeks


Golfnut says:
17 April, 2020 at 8:05 am
@ K1

Well said, even now they can’t their story straight, contradictory stories all over the place…

Aye, but really, there’s just one story.

The story of England keeping PPE for England alone is the same story of Scotland’s oil not benefitting Scotland. It’s the story of Rosyth’s successful tender for submarine refits being given to Devonport. It’s the same story of access to the β€˜national’ grid.

It’s the same story that has blighted Scotland for as long as there’s been a Scotland. We have an insatiable parasite latched on to us, who puts a much lower value on a Scottish life as it does upon an English life, and gloats as it revels in a grotesque β€œUnion” which is merely a fraud, bankrolled by purloined Scottish wealth. Scotland is expendable. It’s β€œno great mischief” if one of us falls.

Fkg SNP. What the fk are we waiting on the SNP for? What are they gonna do? Deafen us with silence and let the Weirdy Beardies set the agenda, as Nicola and her pals surreptitiously dismantle all that the SNP once stood for.

Enough. Get this new Indy Party rolling, and let us taking a battering ram Constitutional mandate all the way to the UN and Council of Europe. Yes, hold it in check while COV19 rages, but ONLY while COV19 rages.

McDuff

Breaks
Well said.

Dan

@twathater at 2:12 am

Meet Pete.

link to twitter.com

ahundredthidiot

Breeks

The kill rate of the virus does not justify the response – Sweden and Belarus are taking a radically different approach and it is making little difference to spread – cat is out of the bag. I have no idea where this virus came from – nor care for that matter.

(I am assured that) every single newspaper today has the same front page ‘STAY AT HOME’

Maybe remove the virus as a reason for house arrest – just for a second if you have the capacity to do that – and look at it with fresh eyes.

Why would all the Governments of the World (well…..most) order their people to stay at home to spend time with their families AND pay them to do so?

Just think about that for a second.

(and end_imminent is barking up the wrong tree)

Scot Finlayson

@Effijy,

`The central Chinese city of Wuhan has raised its number of COVID-19 fatalities by 1,290.

State media says the undercount had been due to the insufficient admission capabilities at overwhelmed medical facilities at the peak of the outbreak.`

Dorothy Devine

I’ve seen it all now ! Carlaw has made an official complaint to the BBBC for being biased in favour of the SNP .

In the name of the wee man ! Is Carlaw completely off his tory trolley?

Patrick Roden

@The complete idiot said:

I seem to remember you trying to spread fear amongst our elderly

And the claims that I made re that a lot of elderly were catching the virus because untested people were being sent to convalesce, has since been proven to be correct.

BTW, if you care to look at my replies to CBB I wasn’t backing him up against you, I was commenting to him about sensibledave.

I won’t ask you to apologize as you don’t come across as someone who is man enough!

Sensibledave

One presentation of the impact of CV19, as of yesterday, is as follows:

CV19 Deaths per Million Population:

Spain 402
Belgium 383
Italy 358
France 263
Uk 190
Sweden 119
USA 86
Iran 57
Denmark 53
Germany 45

Different countries are at different points since their first death due to CV19 and we know that deaths excelerate up to a peak – so these numbers are not directly comparable – perhaps until we see the results in 12 to 18 months time.

Nevertheless, I observe a difference between perceotion and reality – particularly in the case of the USA.

jfngw

The Britnats are truly delusional, despite the fact the death rate from the virus in Scotland, using any figure available, is half England’s, they deny it. They claim it’s population size, easily disproved, then population density another delusion as Scotland’s central belt has a high density and many places with higher density than any city in England have lover death rates, finally they just lie and say it is the same percentage.

They want it to remain silent, it just doesn’t fit the Scotland is shit narrative. When these facts are represented you get Scottish journalists tweeting telling elected representatives to ‘zip it’, that’s our unbiased press in Scotland for you.

Not that I believe Scotland has done well in this, it has been a disaster also, tracking WM policy has put Scotland in the top ten of deaths/million, but still comparatively better than England.

mike cassidy

Here’s some happyclappy people not caring about social distancing.

And lots of police not caring either

link to twitter.com

Sensibledave

jfngw 9:55 am

You wrote “The Britnats are truly delusional, despite the fact the death rate from the virus in Scotland, using any figure available, is half England’s, they deny it.”

You are just making stuff up again! Where has anyone denied it? Just for once, rather than shouting unsubstantiated piffle (lies!), how about you produce, you know, some actual evidence? You are like some vindictive little schoolgirl making up lies about their “friend”.

jfngw

@sensibledave

There is no point comparing these numbers unless we can be certain they are all using the same measurement and we know they aren’t. Some use hospital only, some hide the numbers to stay low in the charts. The deaths per million in the UK is around 300 in reality.

Dog biscuit

Good morning ghetto dwelllers. Who is for the left and who is for the right?There is a morbid fascination over death on here perhaps because so many are in the winter of their lives Fear not death can only take us once .Let is pray Our Father. etc

jfngw

@sensibledave

What can I say but fuck off wanker.

link to twitter.com

Sensibledave

jfngw

I think I made it clear that the numbers are not directly comparable. I note, using all the insight and intelligence you can bring to bear, the only comment you have to make on all those numbers involving millions upon millions of people in Europe and the USA is, effectively … “the British are liars”. Doh!

Ottomanboi

What we might learn from this situation is that we require more than simple democracy we need a well informed democracy. Ignorance is no longer a citizens’ excuse. Keep informed, check and compare all data, do not assume the proclaimed experts are indeed expert.
Btw. That also applies to the purveyors of Scottish independence rhetoric.

Sensibledave

jfngw 10:09 am

So again, you wrote “You wrote β€œThe Britnats are truly delusional, despite the fact the death rate from the virus in Scotland, using any figure available, is half England’s, THEY deny it.”

You then post, as evidence of “THEY” some private citizen nut jobs somewhere.

I apologise jfngw, when you said “they”, I assumed you meant the government, or the press, or a professor, or something .. when by “they” – you actually meant some bloke down the pub.

Once again, Apologies.

Pete

jfngw
Better give up.
Sensible Dave has got you on toast, mate.
When your only riposte is a profanity, then you’ve lost.

Republicofscotland

Well, already the neoliberals at Westminster are looking for ways to recoup monies spent on battling Covid-19. The Social Market Foundation, (no doubt from Tufton street) is run by a Tory/Labour(Red Tory) and Lib/Dem think tank.

The first order of business for them is to recover money from the poor, and for them to draw up a proposal on how to remove the triple lock on state pensions. You can virtually hear the wheels of capitalism grind back into motion on ways to make the poorest in our society carry the heaviest burdens for the cost of this virus.

Republicofscotland

As Exercise Cygnus(2016), of which the stark warning were completely ignored by the English Tory government comes home to roost big time, and the incompetent xenophobic fool of a man Johnson recouperates after virtually self infecting himself.

We have one of the other stooges Matt Hancock attempt to shift the blame for the lack of PPE, which has caused the sad deaths of frontline staff, give a speech on how precious PPE actually is, and that it should not be wasted, thus attempting to shift the blame for the shortage of PPE onto the frontline NHS heroes, who’ve battled on bravely everyday whilst putting their lives and the lives of their families at risk.

So it any wonder then that England is probably looking at the highest death toll rate from the virus in Europe. Years of underfunding and backdoor privatisation of their NHS, has cost lives.

When this crisis, which has become a tragedy due to the British governments shoddy and inept handling of it finally abates, heads must roll.

dakk

The English government are desperately playing for time with their covid death reporting.

So obvious they are trying to get past peak death rates before they give the true figures including non hospital death rates.

They shall not be pitied as the tragic Red Zone that they are.

Even the Jeremy Hunt and the Health Select Committee are embarrassed.

meg merrilees

Did anyone hear the First Minister being interviewed by Sarah Smith this morning on BBC R4?

The only good thing I can say about Sarah Smith is that she at Least let Nicola speak without too much interruption. Nicola was good, fluent, genuine answers.

Well worth a listen – Sarah introduces Nicola’s policies completely wrongly at the beginning which Nicola has to explain and correct and then in the final question she asks a completely political question of Nicola Sturgeon leader of the SNP.

Stunned moment’s silence before Nicola answers by nailing it on the head … That is an overtly political comment Sarah and I, as the First Minister of Scotland won’t rise to the bait. ( Words to that effect) so there’s no point in trying….

It was probably just after 8.10 this morning – not sure when exactly but it finished at 8.17 ( 8.19). Sarah Smith is a very poor radio presenter – so wooden.
She was teamed up with Nick ‘he-didn’t-answer-my-question’ Robinson for the programme. And I read upstream that Jackson Carlaw has complained that biased BBC is pro-SNP.
You couldnae make it up!

Breastplate

Mike Cassidy and Breeks,
I think it is hypocritical of you both to ridicule people who don’t believe that this lockdown is the best option we have.
Remember that you are both advocates of this lockdown so you should be willing and able to accept some of the responsibility for the ensuing deaths whether they are Covid 19 related or not, the same way we are all responsible for our decisions not to have a lockdown every winter flu season.
So really, I would like to know why you think we should disregard flu victims but not Covid 19 victims?
Is it just a question of numbers?
If so, at what number of deaths do we change from no lockdown to dispensing with civil liberties?
Is it a question of the amount of resources to cope with the virus?
If so, if given those extra resources, would more deaths be acceptable?

Why do you and others get to pour water on the idea that there are other options that may be better.

Mike Cassidy, I’ve read the links you posted as I am more than willing to take on as much information as possible, did you read the last link that I posted?
If so, what are your thoughts on it?

Here it is again
link to rt.com

Now you don’t have to believe the numbers but I think it shows that you need to accept decisions don’t exist in isolation. There are consequences for those decisions.

When you fuck about with one side of an equation you would have to be wilfully brain dead to think it doesn’t affect the other side.

I think it is extremely unhelpful that you both feel it necessary to pontificate from your high horse and piss on others when you have shown you are not eager to countenance the concerns of others who don’t agree with you.

I’m not advocating that more people should die, I’m advocating that less people should die in the long run. This is a marathon not a sprint.

So just to be clear, I don’t know what the best option is but neither do you. We will all be gifted with 2020 hindsight when this virus is no longer a threat but using this model, we will have one almighty fucking mess to clean up that will be of our own making.

Jockanese Wind Talker

β€œMuch fanfare has been made of the need to scale up Covid-19 testing. But the truth is: the country’s capacity to test for coronavirus is being wasted. Meanwhile, NHS workers are under-protected and under-tested.”

link to archive.is

So the truth is like social distancing (see Westminster Bridge last night versus overzealous policing of parks, beaches etc.) death statistics, β€˜Nightingale Hospitals’ and now testing) we see stage managed Propaganda disseminated by the BBC and MSM.

This along with my post yesterday gives more damning evidence of UK Government failure.

Scottish Government can’t even make use of the shortfall as testing is being managed (like PPE distribution) by UK Government!!

Republicofscotland

Meanwhile we have the very mediocre tv presenter, though I can’t think of anything notable that he’s done, Ben Fogle, attempt to capitalise on the very goodwill of the public towards the NHS and the fabulous job its staff are doing by risking their lives to save others on a daily basis.

Fogle wants you and I to go outside on the Queens birthday, April 21st and sing from the bottom of our hearts happy birthday to her, bringing her great cheer.

Needless to say the insignificant and forgettable tv presenter, has been so far, rightly, and widely mocked and derided on social media.

Of course there will be the monarchists and acolytes of the greatest state sponger in UK history, who’ll doff their caps, kowtow, and applaud with much gusto, the Queen now hidden away in her ivory tower, without need or want of anything.

dakk

Yesterday’s 5 o’clock update had the cso, Sir Peter Bedsheet showing a death rate graph with 4 or 5 red zones including UK, plus South Korea.

The UK line was the only one which had(hospital deaths only).2 months in, and they don’t know how to count properly yet.

Even their most blinkered apologists will feel some discomfiture.

Not a chance.

Rm

Aye be fine if the english royal family dip into their vast wealth that they’ve accumulated over the centuries from the peasants, dip in maybe 3 Trillion and bale out england, maybe the other countries in the so called union might get some scraps, we’re all in it together as they said.

Dog biscuit

I would like to know why it’s safe for police and public to clap on a bridge together but not safe to sit in a park on your own .Any takers ? Come on you clever old folks . Instead of obsessing over numbers look at the inconsistencies in governments dealing with this crisis Are any of you interested at all , about untested workforce from Europe? Now no swearing and no avoiding anomalies in governments handling of this . And no more living,If you can call it that, in denial.Believe it or not I voted for independence and for Europe mainly because I try not to buy government line and of course believe countries should be Independent . What is pissing me off is how malleable some posters are here.I believe this site has done a lot of good for Independence.Dont be possesses of at trolling Why ? Because all ideas deserve to be challenged That’s called debate.Im not being ignored because I’m a troll.I am ignored because no one seems to have an answer to awkward questions. What price Independence for a people who hide from bogey men?

Effijy

Thanks for the China stats update Scot.

Encouraging to see China admitting to errors and amending them.

Stupid Dave used outdated figures while defending his
Indefensible Empire.

Even with the major adjustment to China’s Death Stats
Their figures plus Iran plus Great Germany’s, all with greater
Populations and with more densely packed cities than the UK
Have a combined death total lower than Bungling Bojoland.

I think the first German death was a day after the UK’s but as they
Haven’t been chopping away health facilities, ignoring the trends from
Countries like Italy and not investing in testing equipment England is killing
4 people for every death in Great Germany.

The above is shocking on its own but add in the Tory cover up of all related
Deaths outside of hospitals and there should be an international trial here
For crimes against humanity.

Dippy Dave and Private Pete can bake them a cake with a file in the NAFFI.

Dog biscuit

Effigy Naffis no longer exist as far as I’m aware.

jfngw

@Pete

The evidence is in the post but you being one of the Britnats I will just put you in the ‘they just lie’ camp.

Brian Doonthetoon

Hi Dog biscuit.

From:-
link to en.wikipedia.org

“Today

NAAFI now operates out of bases in British Forces Germany, Brunei, Gibraltar, the South Atlantic Islands, and onboard HM Ships through the Naval Canteen Service (NCS).
In Germany it provides the supply of all catering, retail and leisure. This includes running the Officers and NCO’s Messes, providing the catering service as well as a number of retail outlets, coffee forums, bars and the sale of tax-free cars. “

Colin Alexander

Republicofscotland

We should think very carefully about that.

Maybe we could Empress Elizabeth aka “Purrin’ Betty” a
purr-fect birthday.

CameronB Brodie

It is rather dangerous to attempt to make your way through life disconnected from reality (see Brexitania).

Full text.

Rationality versus reality: the challenges of evidence-based decision making for health policy makers
link to implementationscience.biomedcentral.com

CameronB Brodie

Could someone please get this in front of the SNP leadership, as they have a legal duty to protect my human rights but don’t appeart to have a fucking clue about the law.

Reality and Public Policy
link to nationalaffairs.com

stonefree

Hate to be a pain,
What is the name of Hancock’s company?
Or even the time of the posting, where someone wrote at length about it?
Thanks

jfngw

@sensibledave

Well all governments do lie if they can get away with it, journalists don’t technically lie but present the evidence in a fashion that often they may as well lie. Here is the ‘zip it’ from a journo, dressed up as a opinion, although I suspect this post may disappear soon.

link to twitter.com
,
And as for academics, I think we have found many in the past that will adhere to a principle for selfish motives. I worked in a university for six years some time ago, it was disappointing to find that some people with PHD’s were just as childish and spiteful as everyone else.

I try not to refer to people as ‘nutters’, delusional is good enough for me, we all see things through our own prism.

Sensibledave

Effigy

You wrote β€œstupid Dave used outdated figures”

I am starting to get the hang of you Effigy. When β€œthey”!are lying to you, you mean one bloke in a pub. Now, when you say β€œoutdated” you mean they are yesterday’s figures!!

For the figures for 17th April see: link to e-markets.nordea.com

cirsium

@Breastplate, 11.03

Good post.

As more research studies come out about the low mortality coronavirus (link to rt.com ), about transmission (link to today.rtl.lu), the question arises why house arrest for the whole of society and the removal of civil rights? Why have standard public health procedures (test, track, isolate) not been implemented? Why ask Imperial College to model the epidemic on incomplete data?

The imperial college Bill Gates collection. link to youtube.com

Colin Alexander

What’s all the moaning about PPE first for England?

Scotland got the Poll Tax first and Scotland’s soldiers were usually the first to die in the Empire’s Wars.

So, the Union’s fair isn’t it?

Scott

Just heard Hancock say 11m PPE has been sent to Scotland is there any way we can confirm this.??

robbo

Naafi’s died a death decades ago when they let in the crooks and private enterprise thanks to MAGGIE. Crooks and thieves ran it into the ground and stripped it bare until around 2015 when there was nowt left.

Capella

@ Colonel Blimp IV – I was thinking of simmering some Peruvian bark in salt water but G & T would be good too. Probably there isn’t a drop of tonic left in the supermarkets by now and every tree in Peru has been stripped of its bark.

Colin Alexander

There’ll always be an England…
Scotland’s people can die.

They may take our lives by withholding our PPE but, they will never take our freedom. Well, until 1707.

CameronB Brodie

I appreciate we need to understand covid better, but the first priority is its’ containment. An early let-up will just mean this problem is with us for much longer than it need be. That will cause more harm than continuing the lock-down until safe to lift it. Public health comes first, then human rights, then the economy.

Safeguarding human rights
in times of economic crisis

link to rm.coe.int

Dog biscuit

Brian Doonthetoon I’m sure glad you cleared that vital matter up.

Breastplate

CBB,
We left the containment stage a month ago, we are in the delay phase.

Effijy

Do not listen to any figures coming out with a connection to Westminster.

What if the 11 Million bits of PPE kit where not sent
To Scotland?
Do you imagine someone will actually count them?

What if Scotland needs 20 million but of PPE Kit
Should the story be lives put at risk again as 8 million short?

What if they sent 5,5 million pairs of gloves and no aprons or masks?

Over how long a period were these items sent and what was the number requested?

What does Scotland require each week and what do we have in stock?

The Tories have very expensive educations and are very well versed in lying.

CameronB Brodie

Breastplate
It would appear the Tories have gone “full retard” then.

jackie

Listening to Matt Hancock and he has to be the biggest lying bulkshitter in UK Politics.

Just perfect for the Boris Johnson Administration

EVERY word he utters is a lie.

Dog biscuit

If you keep hot housing the population the problem will be extended and more may be dying as a result. A wee message to SNP politicians you lot adopted draconian powers at too enthusiastically for my liking.I will be wiping my arse with my polling card should we ever be allowed to vote again you have destroyed what little democracy we had. Tartan Tories right enough it seems The worst of the seat warmers? Take your pick. Alec Salmond King of Scotland

Breeks


Dorothy Devine says:
17 April, 2020 at 9:23 am
I’ve seen it all now ! Carlaw has made an official complaint to the BBBC for being biased in favour of the SNP .

In the name of the wee man ! Is Carlaw completely off his tory trolley?

There’s precedent for doing that. What’s his face, β€œbayonet the wounded” Ian Davidson did the same thing back in 2014 or thereabouts, claiming Isabel Fraser was biased when interviewing him. Isabel Fraser was actually reasonably competent and impartial, but we saw her removed from duty, and the BBC was free to bleat about β€˜everybody’ accusing it of bias must mean it’s broadly getting the balance right.

Just another load of horseshit dumped on Scotland’s drive as part of the great indoctrination strategy at the BBC. People fell for it in 2014, but hopefully a smaller percentage will fall for it now.

You didn’t think the Tory and Labour MSP’s were there to actually do anything at Holyrood did you? They’re just diddies who are only there to channel BBC propaganda and manipulation; useful idiots to articulate the BBC’s shite and create the illusion their propaganda is deeply embedded in Scotland.

Colin Alexander

The purpose of the Union is to benefit England.

It always has been, it always will be.

CameronB Brodie

Breastplate
I’ve not been paying much attention to timelines, tbh, as I’ve lost the habit of self-indoctrination through the media. πŸ˜‰

Sensibledave

Breastplate 12:31 pm

You write β€œCBB, … We left the containment stage a month ago, we are in the delay phase.”

Sometimes me ol’ boobysalver, I like to sit an admire a beautifully crafted, yet so simple, put down, slam dunk, of complete knob. Congratulations!

CBB is very learned and clever man don’t you know! Doh!

Ottomanboi

Project β€˜lets scare the shit out of the punters’ gets existential.
link to itv.com

β€œIn politics, what begins in fear usually ends in folly.”
? Samuel Taylor Coleridge

CameronB Brodie

Dave supports a party that brought us austerity and Brexit. Dave support a party that does not respect the first principle in law, DO NO HARM. Dave supports a party that is culpable of murder through policy.

How Civil Society Actors Responded to the Economic Crisis:
The Interaction of Material Deprivation and Perceptions of Political Opportunity Structures.

eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/97109/5/WRRO_97109.pdf

callmedave

N. Ireland start to issue more data regarding deaths out with hospitals where corona virus has been the cause.

link to archive.is

Sensibledave

CBB

… you need to give up Cammykins. You just keep making yourself look a complete tool. Even the home crowd are gently trying to tell you to stop making a fool of yourself (cue – Cammy cuts and pastes another irrelevant citation that nobody reads). Haha!

CameronB Brodie

P.S. Brexit material deprives Scotland of access to the Natural Law. That’s despotic totalitarianism, that is.

CameronB Brodie

Dave appears keen to deprive Scots of the Natural Rights, or else he would not have spent all these years telling us he knows better. Just because.

“Global Governance and the Public Domain: Collective
Goods in a ‘Post-Washington Consensus’ Era”

wrap.warwick.ac.uk/2078/1/WRAP_Higgott_wp4799.pdf

Breastplate

Sensibledave,
My reply to CBB was not an attempt at a put down merely a gentle reminder of where I believe we are, and as somebody I have shared a beer with I believe he will accept it as such.

Jockanese Wind Talker

Hancock was on PR before politics @ jackie says at 12:36 pm

K1

Wish the both of you would just deprive this blog of this stupid circular dissembling pish and before either of you start in on me…just fuck off.

boris

Long-serving Conservative MSPs will be forced to stand down from the Scottish Parliament at the next election if they fail to win a constituency seat, under radicals change introduced by Party Leader Jackson Carlaw to introduce fresh blood into the party

link to caltonjock.com

CameronB Brodie

Breastplate
Totally. πŸ˜‰

robbo

Beginning to warm to pierce morgan jist a wee wee,really wee bit!
lol

link to twitter.com

Republicofscotland

Now we have the BBC lunchtime news programme, giving over airtime to Prince William and his wife, we had to listen to him waffle on about his father and how he was concerned about him with regards to the virus.

Of course this drain on the taxpayer didn’t mention his fathers reckless disregard for other peoples lives when he fled to Scotland bringing the virus with him to a small knit community. No his self centred father (a royal trait) ignored the guidelines that cost Catherine Calderwood her job inspite of knowning them.

There should be no place for these despicable sef serving parasites in an independent Scotland.

Republicofscotland

Despite what Matt Hancock says on the reporting of extra deaths due to Covid-19, there might be a fudge to hide the true extent of the deaths from the in England.

link to goodlawproject.org

Republicofscotland

So Alister Jack, on Good Morning Scotland, hinting that business will need to kickstart soon, because in the possible coming recession, if it doesn’t, those at the poorer end of society will end up in deep poverty.

Do I even need to point out the sheer hypocrisy of this Tory bastard. No? I didn’t think so.

CameronB Brodie

I’ve got one Alister Jack. Is he happy Scotland has been stripped of legal identity for this pile of shite?

Austerity swung voters to Brexit – and now they are changing their minds
link to blogs.lse.ac.uk

callmedave

Latest all BBC values for reported deaths today.

Scotland…….32………Total…..837
Wales……….32………Total…..495
N. Ireland…..18………Total…..176
England (no figure)…….Total..(no figure)
——————————————–
UK………….847……..Total….14576

callmedave

FGS! Scotland fig was incorrect.

Latest all BBC values for reported deaths today.

Scotland…….58………Total…..837
Wales……….32………Total…..495
N. Ireland…..18………Total…..176
England (no figure)…….Total..(no figure)
——————————————–
UK………….847……..Total….14576

Pete

Colin Alexander
12.23
Why can’t the SNHS make its own contracts and buy it’s own PPE?
I thought it was independent?
I think you’ve got an inferiority complex, always wanting to be beholden to the big NHS.

CameronB Brodie

Says the Trump fan. πŸ™‚

Pete

There’s not a lot wrong with the Donald.

Doug

Another day of English/British nationalist incompetence. Another day closer to the end of the so-called united kingdom.

CameronB Brodie

Trump and good judgement simply don’t belong in the same sentence, unless it points out Trump lacks of it.

Full text.

Individual differences in moral judgment competence influence
neural correlates of socio-normative judgments

link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

CameronB Brodie

Scotland could do with a big injection of this, IMHO.

Reasoning, cognitive control, and moral intuition
link to frontiersin.org

End_Imminent

Please read page 18 and stop debating about using your former rights to combat this assault. You are chattel. Wake up..

link to nommeraadio.ee

End_Imminent

As of today, India 1.3Bn people, 500 confirmed cases of CV 19.

Hurry up people, time is running out.

When do you become “non essential” ?

CameronB Brodie

The fight against tyranny needs solid foundations. Our media would deprive us of the mental capacity to defend our biological integrity, and freedom to determine our own futures. That’s not right.

How power affects the brain
Ian H. Robertson on what he has dubbed the β€˜winner effect’

The β€˜winner effect’ is a term used in biology to describe how an animal that has won a few fights against weak opponents is much more likely to win later bouts against stronger contenders. It is a key element in the establishment of dominance hierarchies which are a feature of most animal species, including humans. One’s place in social dominance hierarchies is one of the strongest, and yet underestimated, shapers of the structure and function of the human brain.

When power is unconstrained by democratic controls or good systems of governance, then power-holders may show undesirable distortions in judgment, cognition and behaviour as a results of its drug-like effects on the brain. The article begins with a notorious example.

link to thepsychologist.bps.org.uk

End_Imminent

Our new dystopian hellscape in video. Police building databases of the “quarantined” and the screws tightening ever more.

link to youtube.com

Disappointed you people are buying the MSM garbage wholesale.

Sturgeon is a fully paid up member of the CFR. You know, Henry Kissinger and the like….

twathater

@ Dan 9.01am it certainly looks as though it has the same thought capacity as Pete but I don’t know if he walks upright

Col.Blimp IV

Pete says:

“Why can’t the SNHS make its own contracts and buy it’s own PPE”

The England/UK paradigm.

English based suppliers supplying to UK customers were told by English authorities who were concerned about potential shortages, to supply only English Healthcare organisations (i.e. Not the Wogs).

For all we know, they may not have been deliberately far less maliciously trying to disadvantage the Second Class Britishers.

We just failed to show up on their radar and became collateral damage … No doubt yet another casual infringement of the Treaty of Union, to add to a very long list.

Pete

Col Blimp
Maybe we didn’t have the same firm contracts in place as the English NHS?
I just don’t know. Neither do you.
Why didn’t the Scottish authorities demand the same?
My point is that – you want independence, here is an area where you have independence, yet you moan when it doesn’t work out for you.
Pathetic!

Sensibledave

Cammy 1.34

… Haha! knew that you couldn’t stop yourself!

admiral

Pete says:
17 April, 2020 at 4:06 pm
Col Blimp
Maybe we didn’t have the same firm contracts in place as the English NHS?
I just don’t know. Neither do you.
Why didn’t the Scottish authorities demand the same?

Err – because Yoons constantly bleat about pooling and sharing and being Better Together?

Because May centralised UK NHS procurement under PHE?

Famous15

Pete. You are right. The Scottish Government should have known what they were dealing with and all this Privy Councillor cosiness made them forget exactly what they were dealing with. They are dealing with a self centred shower of bastards who have asset stripped Scotland for years.

Now Pete you Scots hating fellow all I can say to you is ”Off you pop! Me old matey”

CameronB Brodie

This might be what peak-flow looks like. It might not be though. Scotland has reached peak-flow, as Brexitania is highly unlikely to support our potential as a nation. πŸ˜‰

Full text.

What does principled versus conventional moral reasoning convey to others about the politics and psychology of the reasoner?
link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com

CameronB Brodie

Dave really is a knuckle-dragger.

Republicofscotland

If callmedaves figures are correct @2.40pm, then subtracting their total from the overall, total should gives us Englands total.

Which I think is 13,518.

Col.Blimp IV

Pete says:

“Maybe WE didn’t have the same firm contracts in place as the English NHS?”

and

“…here is an area where YOU have independence, yet you moan when it doesn’t work out for you.
Pathetic!”

I was aware that “House Jocks” are of the opinion that it is possible to be Scottish and YooKayish simultaneously, but had no idea that they could switch between one and the other so quickly, whenever they think the grass is greener on the other side of the border.

What a despicable bunch of slimy chancers they are.

Gary45%

Massive thanks to all the members of the English Royal Family,who in this time of crisis, have decided to follow the Swedish Princess and actually do an “honest shift” for the free house, jewels etc.
Feel the love man.
Oh Aye, LBC promoting some new TV appliance, its called BritBox, I had a wee look on the internet, they should have called it Shitbox, the gullible paying yet again for repeats they have already paid for with the licence.
Proud to be a wukfit ?

mike cassidy

For the hard of reading like Pete.

The not-England parts of the UK had appropriate supply chains.

Until Public Health England changed the chains from UKwide to England only.

Imagine if the Scottish or Welsh Health Services had told those suppliers to prioritise Scotland or Wales.

But at least they know now they can’t depend on a ‘better together policy dictated by England.

PPE supplier confirms England only policy for care homes

The statement claims that only three out of 2000 products are restricted for use in England. Those three products are, however, coronavirus protective masks, gloves and aprons.

link to archive.is

callmedave

The UK government on Friday (today) announced a Β£10m fund to shield England’s fishing and aquaculture sectors from the impacts of coronavirus.

More than 1,000 fishing and aquaculture businesses in England will receive Β£9m in direct cash grants through a new fisheries support scheme, the government said, noting that the supports were designed to assist the sector with its β€œimmediate needs” during the crisis.

The government also said that a further Β£1m would be made available to support projects to assist fishermen to sell their catch in their local communities during the pandemic.
The move, it said, would enable them to find new markets and support communities that depend on the fisheries industry.Β 
—————————————————————–

News where we are:
The first minister outlines extra measures to help the fishing industry, noting that “clearly the market for seafood and shellfish has effectively collapsed” which is having a “very serious and immediate impact on coastal and island communities”.

The government is allocating a further Β£3.5m of support for fishing vessels of over 12 metres, Ms Sturgeon says.

North chiel

Have been impressed by the candidness and honesty of the New York State governor Andrew Cuomo over the past weeks . He strikes me as being genuinely trying desperately to do the best he can , and he doesn’t shy away from criticism of DT and the Federal Government .

terence callachan

Republic of Scotland…..22,500 deaths from covid19 in England

Yes the figure for England ids about 13500
But that is only covid19 deaths in hospital
It does not include people who have died outside of hospital

Scotland’s national records office states that in Scotland 62% of covid19 deaths have been n hospitals
25% In care homes
13
13% at home etc

If you apply that to England
13500 died from covid19 in hospital only

If 13500 is 62%
And you add the other 38% who have died in care homes and elsewhere

Then 100% is about 22500

So the real figure of covid19 deaths in England is about 22500

Blair Paterson

Lets be honest ever since the union Scotland’s been treated like mugs and the result of the 2014 ref proved that they are mugs I’m sorry to say that but facts are facts even the ones we don’t like people in the past died for freedom we were given the chance to have it in a vote and rejected it we can post and blog all we like about old treaties history etc., but that will not gain us our freedom it just proves our frustrations no England will never let you go you are their cash cow but we only have ourselves to blame no one else and that’s another unpleasant fact but if we can form a new party we may be able to rise and be a nation again ???

CameronB Brodie

Blair Paterson
It’s not in the slightest kind or rational to blame a largely politically uneducated population to make good political judgements, especially when HMG civil service and the yoonstream combine forces to distort the TRUTH and TERRORISE the elderly.

North chiel

Sky news reporting this afternoon Critical shortage of PPE in areas of England and Staff being asked to reuse items . Now we know why an attempt was made to divert supplies destined for Scotland .

CameronB Brodie

Sorry….for not being able to make….

Sarah

@ Capella at 9.42 pm 16th: you are right about the MSM not being on our side in a campaign, and that our strength is with stalls, events etc etc which can’t be done in lockdown. And also that postal votes are dodgy.

However, I think that it is vital we try to regain Scotland’s independence now, not wait for the 2021 Holyrood election. So I am trying to think of how a vote could be managed under the current conditions. I am desperate to escape the appalling dictatorship of the UK system so am willing to have a less than ideal campaign.

mike cassidy

The end of the beginning?

Early peek at data on Gilead coronavirus drug suggests patients are responding to treatment

link to archive.is

callmedave

“Aye gowns are tight in England”. says Tory earlier today..
forget who.

N. Ireland sent some to England, reported 2 days ago.
Maybe that’s the 55,000 they are expecting today.

That’s not a lot spread over say, the London area.
Squeaky bum time darn Sarf!

Also heard (radio) ‘out of hospital’ deaths in England from the virus is getting to near 50% of the ‘in hospital’ deaths.

Republicofscotland

Terence Callahan@5.18pm.

Thanks for that I suspected the deaths were higher than that figure of 13,508. My 2.10pm links indicates that doctors are being given leeway to pronounce death causes on death certificates in England as other than Covid-19, possibly to keep the figures from skyrocketing even higher South of the border.

CameronB Brodie

I’m certainly no pharmacologist, I’m just a bit of a critical thinker and know a bit about public health. I’m still not claiming I’m an expert. This might prove instructive though.

Adverse Event Detection in Drug Development: Recommendations and Obligations Beyond Phase 3
link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

mike cassidy

Does Chris Grayling have a second job working for Trump?

The Trump administration paid a bankrupt company with zero employees $55 million for N95 masks, which it’s never manufactured

link to archive.is

CameronB Brodie

This is what you get when you apply “critical realism” to a limited knowledge of public health.

Full text.

The Healthy Homes and Neighbourhoods integrated health and social care initiative
A Critical Realist Translational Social Epidemiology Protocol for Concretising and Contextualising a β€œTheory of Neighbourhood Context, Stress, Depression, and the Developmental Origins of Health and Disease

link to ijic.org

CameronB Brodie

doh!

….(DOHaD)”

dakk

Was listening to the 5 o’clock address for the dumb plebs.

That ever so posh English person Alok Sharma spent 10 minutes talking about getting a vaccine as if England was going to have the solution to all this lol.

He forgot to say they don’t even have enough paper gowns for doctors, so they’re telling doctors/nurses to reuse old dirty contaminated ones.

But they’re going to get a vaccine.

Are ye, aye?

What a posh low life bag of wind.

Capella

Further to discussion on Covid-19: Are chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine really game-changers? from York Cardiology.

I often listen to his talks and he’s a consultant cardiologist so should know what he’s talking about (unlike Donald Trump).

link to youtube.com

ahundredthidiot

Chris’ cartoon is genius.

Dan

The disparity in Policing is ridiculous.
Tactical Support Group dude tells a journalist in a sparsely populated area to “Go home, you’re killing people”.

Yet the Met Police Chief was clapping along with the crowds of police and public on the bridge.

link to twitter.com

CameronB Brodie

If only. πŸ™

The New Legal Realist Approach to International Law
link to cambridge.org

Alan Mackintosh

Capella,
Yeah watched the video. Ta. Covered the studies which I think were in the WUWT link I posted. He seemed to miss out the link between the chloroquine opening the path for zinc to attack/ disable the virus. And yes although there can be long term side effects in some people, the use for covid would be short term, so I feel like it is a bit of trying to dampen down any idea that it might be useful- perhaps to avoid people taking it in a non clinical setting. However it being a prescription drug, we’re not going to get our hands on it anyway…

An anecdote- a friends mother in London. Her doctor tried to prescribe her some weeks ago, long before Trump mentioned it. Couldn’t get it anywhere. I wonder if it has been stockpiled? From the article I posted it mentioned the UK govt had banned any export of it on 20th Feb.

Breastplate

Alan Mackintosh,
Yes, Hydroxychloroquine is scarce at the moment, especially in France where I read an article somewhere that the entire stockpile had vanished.
I don’t know how true that is though.

dakk

After 3 months of cover up Sky News has tonight started drip feed the likely source of the virus.

An accidental escape from the Wuhan Level 4 security biolab.

Something I suggested was a possibility months ago.

We will never know for sure, but the possible link should have been explored/aired by msm ‘journalists’ months ago.

SilverDarling

Just catching up with the Rev’s twitter – John Nicolson has done himself no favours at all.

For those who don’t know he was promoting a film about young trans person made as it turns out by the awful Sleeze. He was criticized for not addressing the role of that person in contributing to the toxicity of the GRA debate and asked some pertinent questions. He chose instead to quote tweet the Rev’s answer and use this invite him on to his radio show to confront a grand dame of the trans movement, Jan Morris, who is 91.

It looked like he had hoped to achieve a gotcha moment by not asking Stu directly and then saying he had given him an opportunity to give his view but didn’t get an answer. He also appeared to try to engineer a confrontation whereby a sweet old national treasure is ‘denied their existence’ by a nasty person.

What was most illuminating was the victimhood he then retreated into and his utter refusal to answer the many legitimate points put to him by women. Instead he cherry picked the men to engage with and also diverted and obfuscated, picking on someone who used a pseudonym – a technique often used by Pete Wishart. He then had a conversation in morally superior tones with the requisite Trans Ally about how terrible the answers were.

link to twitter.com

There was no abuse whatsoever, only frustrated questions from women with whom he refused to engage with or answer. Another one who it seems is nothing but a self serving disappointment.

Capella

@ Alan Macintosh – the link you posted yesterday reported the strange disappearance of these drugs in France. Pepe Escobar suggests that the elite are stockpiling for their own use. Wouldn’t surprise me, although Chloroquine is supposed to be cheap and easily produced.

link to asiatimes.com

But you’re right, he didn’t mention the zinc. Checks vitamin supplement – ooh yes, there’s zinc in it. One a day to be taken with G & T.

It would be strange if the only thing the Westminster government are competent at is hoarding everything for themselves that’s necessary to survive a pandemic.

CameronB Brodie

SilverDarling
John Nicolson appears to be ignorant of the natural order of things. That is more than a bit alarming and points to why the SNP are unable to defend our human rights from Brexit.

You can’t take rights away from women to give men more rights. That’s pure misogyny. From a critical realist perspective, sex-based rights are only ethical if the claimant is of the appropriate biological sex. Men and women have different sexual epistemology (life stories).

Why we need critical realism in the sex and gender debate
link to fairplayforwomen.com

P.S. Scotland and England have different social epistemology.

Lillias Fabbroni

To Meg Merrilees. I did hear the Sarah Smith interview and I thought her closing remark to the FM crass and totally inappropriate at this time. Fair to say Nicola put her firmly back in her box.

CameronB Brodie

If the SNP does not clear the dross from the party, Scotland is going nowhere.

Integrating critical realist and feminist methodologies:
ethical and analytical dilemmas

link to core.ac.uk

SilverDarling

@CBB

That is what is so disappointing – the refusal to try to understand why some women and men have a problem with self identity.

The constant reducing of the arguments to discrimination against Trans people and equating s28 legislation with this proposed GRA legislation are disingenuous and false.

The points put forward were so eloquent and they were trying to engage but he just could not or more likely, would not.

Pete

CBB
I do agree with you about Nicholson.
The SNP seem to have a propensity for promoting dodgy old queers.
Clear them out.

CameronB Brodie

And Pete’s not a bigot?