Advice for Jeremy Corbyn
Maybe check anything Kezia Dugdale tells you before you go on telly with it.
Let’s just quickly run through those facts, shall we?
“The SNP are privatising CalMac.”
Not true. The SNP are following a tendering process which is required by EU law, and which was also undertaken in an identical fashion by the last Labour-led administration at Holyrood. No decision has as yet been made.
“[The SNP] were behind privatisation of ScotRail.”
Hang on, what? Britain’s railways (including Scotland’s) were privatised by the Tories under the Railways Act 1993. The Scottish Parliament didn’t even exist at the time.
Privatisation/nationalisation of railways is reserved to Westminster under the same act – it’s totally outwith the Scottish Government’s control. It’s currently forbidden by law for the public sector to own/operate Britain’s railways except in emergencies.
(We suppose “were behind” could be taken to mean “supported”, but as far as we can establish the SNP opposed the privatisation in 1993. What we can say for sure is that they voted the same way as Jeremy Corbyn in all the Commons divisions on the bill, and also that Labour didn’t repeal the Act during 13 years in power from 1997-2010.)
“[they’re] also cutting college places”
An old Labour misinformation favourite.
“[they’re] also privatising services”
We’re not sure what this means. Off the top of our heads we’re unaware of any public services moved to private-sector control under the SNP.
“[they’re] also cutting local government funding”
In fact, despite having to deal with heavy reductions to its budget from Westminster (10% in real terms since 2009-10), the SNP has protected local-government funding, and indeed just days ago it was shown to have OVER-funded local authorities by £165m in compensation for its policy of freezing the Council Tax.
If Jeremy Corbyn wants to win back voters in Scotland, readers might feel that telling them a pack of casual lies probably isn’t the smartest way to go about it. That’s the strategy Scottish Labour has adopted ever since 2007, and it doesn’t seem to be going terribly well.
Be fair now, RevStu. If Kezia stops telling porkies (aplogies to the PM) she’ll have virtually nothing to say!
Poor Jeremy. He is quoting from the Neil Findlay book of rabid political stupidity.
I would add more but distracted watching Ian Murray being torn to shreds by Gordon Brewer of all people.
Labour in Scotland cannot and will not be allowed be be different from UK Labour.
Same old same old
Corbyn is just another london centric private school educated squirrel who doesn’t really understand Scotland. He just proved it.
Jeeze….. Just watched this tripe on the TV.
What the hell is he thinking about ????
The assertions made by him are patently untrue, simple to refute, and unlikely to sway anyone in Scotland.
I expected far better.
Terrible start for Corbyn on Scottish politics. Dugdale, Murray and Findlay could all be behind this lying. No wonder SLAB are in the state they are. If Corbyn continues like this he is not going to last very long as leader.
Do they think folk will believe it because he says it in a softer voice… fanny
Maybe he’s thinking of council services that have been privatised, like Glasgow Life, which happened under the SNPs first term on power but was carried out wholly by the scum in the Labour council.
Yet another example of Labour doing something disgusting and pinning the blame on the SNP. They are the masters of projecting.
When Andrew Marr fails to contradict Jeremy Corbyn’s falsehoods about Scotland, by what criteria does the BBC claim to be impartial?
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Well that’s the honeymoon period over. Seems Jeremy Corbyn is just as dishonest as the rest of his party
Glad to seee that Jeremy is continuing the Labour policy of getting things very wrong 😉
Corbyn appears to be a fairly decent guy & I don’t believe he would deliberately play all the usual scottish labour games. He will eventually come to realise that his northern branch are obsessed with the nasty snp & need to be opposed at every turn. Corbyn has more in common with the snp than he does with his scottish labour brothers & sisters
Dugdale informing Jeremy Corbyn about Scottish politics is akin to Patrick the star fish advising Spongebob Squarepants about Bikini Bottom.
So finally in it’s own little way, the mask slips ever so slightly.
It’s maybe high time that one of our senior reporters (such as Ponsonby) should begin asking Mr Corbyn, not only how he perceives Scotland, but what of ‘devolution package’ that it should be getting.
Let’s see Jeremy true perceptions of a United Kingdom if Scotland is to remain within it. Let’s see what powers (if any) he would devolve further to Holyrood. I suspect that Jeremy will only use Scotland (and the 56 SNP MP’s) if it furthers his own ideology, while also sticking to the usual Labour format of carrot and stick when it comes to Scotland.
He will hint at what he ‘could give us’, and yet (surprise, surprise) never deliver on those promises to us.
A wolf in sheep’s clothing. Personally, I don’t believe Jeremy will fall too far from the Labour ‘Blairite’ ideology. Certainly, debate on Trident should be an interesting test for him and his party.
But for the people of Scotland; and especially those of the Labour persuasion, they should maybe just look that little bit harder at what is being presented as a ‘socialist saviour’.
Looking forward to the FM calling out the caretaker of (Not) Labour at FMQ this week over all these fibs.
Watched it this morning and deeply disappointed at the lies he peddled about Scotland. The ScotRail one was just bizzare, bit like a an Alan Partridge/monkey tennis moment.
Meet the new boss, just as mendacious as the old boss…
CORBYN TWADDLE
(An interpretation of Corbynspeak for the hard of hearing)
The SNP want to privatise everything, but Labour will not nationalise the Royal Mail, unlike Salmond.
We don’t do Scotland. We have a branch manager located somewhere there who does Scotland.
Corbyn’s been a busy fellow of late. However, given the significance of the constitutional situation regards Scotland, I would have thought he would by now have ensured he was better clued up.
I wouldn’t have expected a backbencher from London to be well informed, but he’s now in a position of some responsibility. If the ‘Scottish situation’ isn’t in his top ten priority areas, then something is far wrong!
What also looks bad. When questioned outside his knowledge base, he should have had the wit to avoid make an hash of it. Not very statesmanlike.
Concerning Scotland, he basically crashed and burned on every level. A very bad start!
That’s at least the second time I’ve heard him going down this ‘privatising Cal-Mac’ route. Somebody, somewhere must be telling him this and he’s obviously never bothered his own arse to go fact-check.
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Jeremy Corbyn is a liar.
Good grief,
Hardly in the job a fortnight but has picked up the SNP Bad line quick enough
Re privatisation, quite the reverse as seen with NHS cleaning contracts.
Jeremy Corbyn is a sneaky wee BritNat leftie of the same ilk as the likes of George Galloway,Tony Benn and Keir Hardie.
Anyone who trusts anything this guy says is naive and gullible in extreme.
Ignorance can be no excuse for what came out of Corbyn’s mouth this morning, he’s the Labour party leader now so he should know the facts, Conclusion: He’s as big a lying Bastirt as the rest of them
As for Kezia and her autonomous Scottish Labour, well good luck with that Dippity, Ian Murray practically did cartwheels and back flips to avoid answering anything Idiot Brewer had to ask him on the subject
It’s become all too clear exactly what’s happening here Corbyn is the leader as long as he’s in earshot, the minute his back’s turned Tom Watson will change the plan back to what it was in the first place
Sew confusion wherever you go seems to be the order of the day or is it pick a card any card but don’t look up our sleeves
We’re back to the good old days when Labour used to lie about everything but you could find nobody to blame because they’re all innocent of knowing the facts
Ah Didny Know Honest
A Brit is a Brit is a Brit.
The old Brit left were exactly the same about Scotland till they became more opportunist.
Five lies in 18 seconds must be some kind of record—-even for Labour. 🙁
A public apology from Jeremy Corbyn, at least as prominent as the lies, is the least we should expect. He is very likely being misled by his Scottish Branch professional liars. I noticed that during his address to the Glasgow faithful on his tour of Scotland before being elected.
But that is no excuse. He is the leader of the Labour Party and ought to be capable of dealing with the actuality. Check the facts!
Andrew Marr is also shown up to be either ignorant or biased.
At least we have Stu who is the most alert journalist in the UK.
Kezia Dugdale is a liar, and she knows it. She is deliberately lying to line her pockets and defraud the Electorate. Fifty years of hard Labour.
Westminster refused to allow the (SNP) Scottish Gov to part renationalise the transport system. Sea and Rail. Non devolved power.
Thanks again.
Well if there was ever any doubt before, that load of utter bollocks should pretty much end it.
New, nu, noo, auld Laour – same shite, different day. When you spin a line with so much supposed confidence and authority on air, then you are selling a narrative. Mistakes repeated often enough are no longer mistakes. They mark clear intent.
I don’t give a flying squirrel if Mr Corbyn’s heart (much like Mr Murray’s) is in the right place, he has the same serious issues with the rest of his organs. He’ll still spin a narrative, lie his ass off for party and state and place a party agenda before the desires and directions of an electorate.
I wish the progressive left well in England, but Mr Corbyn’s way of practicing politics is no radical change for the better. Its the same politics which has caused so much strife and tribal nonsense across our government for decades and on the back of that showing, I’ll not be changing my vote any time soon.
Haha, well that went downhill quickly.
What a clown to declare they will win back Scotland, then proceed to insult everyone with a pack of lies.
Folk south of the Border need a principled left wing to support and follow, but are there not any with an IQ in double digits?
WTF??..just not enough face palms to do this slaver any justice.
To the 56, steer well clear of this lying shitehawk and his party.
But he has been an MP for what, 30 odd years, he must know about railway privatization, so downright lies then. Typical labour unionist SNP bad, no change there.
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Totally agree with you Stu. Corbyn talking complete bollocks. Hoped he might have brought in a bit of honesty.
Problem is people watch this crap on the BBC – all of it completely unchallenged – and believe what is being said, because the BeeB is impartial. My arse!
I am so sick to the back teeth of the BBC, scumbag newspapers (National excepted) and all the Unionist parties with their constant lying. If they’re trying to push us into another Referendum, sooner rather than later, they only need to keep up with this shit. The Scots will not make the same mistake again.
Who do they think they are? And more to the point, who do they think we are, that they can behave the way they do. Okay, so enough folk lost their nerve at the last minute and voted for more of this nonsense, but they are regretting it and saying as much too.
When it gets to the stage that 2 women in the supermarket are pointing at packs of pork sausages and one saying to the other “you cannae eat these, these’re Tory sausages, look, it says on the label – may contain traces of Cameron”. You know it’s time for something different, but Corbyn and the rest of the lying Labour scumbags are not the answer.
Time for a fresh start. Time to show RUK and the rest of the World how it should be done.
On one hand, new guy, huge job, even huger domestic and foreign brief, vast amounts of info, etc. On other hand, he’s a Labour Westminster MP for over 30 years, or just another nasty old conman on the make.
Very sad.
Is it possible that Corbyn quietly attended the Jackie Baillie School of Economics?
Motto: “Retine vim istam, falsa enim dicam, si coges.”
Translation: “Restrain your strength, for if you compel me I will tell lies.”
Kept saying that I would wait to see how Corbyn’s Labour Party voted before passing judgement, well how left wing is a Party who agrees to support the Tories, John McDonnel and Osborne now in agreement, who would have thunk that.
Heard yesterday on R4 that 3,000 people had left the Greens to return to Labour in England, I would suggest they kept their powder dry, looks like a stinky mess to me. As for “Scottish” Labour apart from it not existing what the branch does, and it doesn’t do much other than lie and shout loudly SNPBAD. I suggest if Mr Corbyn wants to see any revival in his Parties fortune here, he cleans out the stables and he does his own research.
This serves as a useful and snappy reminder about two things:
1) As much as we might like his politics, Corbyn is probably essentially mostly ignorant about Scotland, and will say whatever he is told to say. I’m willing to give him some time to correct himself though.
2) The BBC will rarely, if ever, challenge lies like this, as they are told by two of the three main parties, as well as the Lib Dems.
To me the second point is the more depressing. Despite everything else, when it comes to Scotland Corbyn is a stooge, but we kind of already knew that and it’s not as if we’ll lose much sleep over it. The BBC otoh is just selling its soul bit by bit every time it allows unionist “facts” to go unchallenged.
Do we really have six more years of this pish to suffer?
Ha ha there wasn’t even a mask to slip!
Advice for Jeremy Corbyn;
A) shut up
B) fuck off
Corbyn playing the same old game as the Red Tories . . . nothing changes and that’s why Labour are dead in Scotland and on life support in the rest of the UK!
Very disappointed. He has been briefed by Neil Findlay (not a conjecture). Let’s hope he improves.
Is that what Corbyn’s saying? Who’s his advisor on Scottish politics, one or more of the unemployed Better Together gang?
I think Scotland as a whole would be prepared to give him a chance, but not to lie.
The rot from Slab spreads up, only so much you can do with colleagues like Kez.
So, new UK Labour leader is badly briefed, tells lies and appears totally ignorant about Scotland and Scottish politics. Subject normal then…
Under Labour £600Billion was being raised in taxes and £150Billion was being borrowed. To pay for illegal wars, tax evasion through the City of London and banking fraud.
Now £466Billion in being raised in the UK £90Billion is being borrowed. Scotland raised £54Billion+ in taxes. The rest of the UK raises pro rata £39Billion and borrows £90Billion. Scotland gets £50Billion- back. Two different tax systems are illegally being operated in Scotland & the rest of the UK/NI by Westminster. Illegal tax evasion through the City of London. Westminster run HMRC is not for public purpose. A total disgrace, administered by the crooks in Westminster.
Any cuts in Scotland are a result of Westminster’s insane policies, over which Scotland has no say. Outvoted 10 to 1. Scotland has been secretly and illegally deprived of it’s revenues by Westminster Unionist liars. £Billions have been illegally and secretly taken. Most of Westminster Unionist politicians are a bunch of lying, parasites. Most of them should be in jail.
Colbyn is just another ignorant, arrogant lazy Labour/Unionist parasites. Why stay in a political Party for 30 years whose policies are non agreeable. A weak person. Do not lie about Scotland.
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Give him a chance?
No way.
Lies lies lies.
Do you think he will retract all that shit?
God I hate the labour party.
Corbyns modus operandi is, allow everybody to vote as they think fit, but if the vote runs counter to the common good, or in the case of Trident, does not further world peace, so be it.
Scotland doesn’t tolerate liars any more.
Nicola was right in her speech a few weeks ago, with the most educated electorate in the world, ill informed politicians and journalists can only do damage to their own reputations. Mr Corbyn should educate himself or wheesht.
I wonder are any of Corbyn’s constituents Wings readers? One thing I keep hearing about him is that he is an extremely hard-working constituency MP. Maybe someone would be up for visiting one of his surgeries and asking him why he said those things when they’re not true.
I don’t watch live TV these days so am still looking forward to watching I.Murray squeal but having just watched Corbyn on Marr, I think the narrative of Frenchgate could have been that Nicola Sturgeon would have been happy to have either Cons or Lab win the GE. Either of them will make the case for 2nd Indyref.
The problem is that Scotland is clued-up. People have all the facts at their fingertips. Hence why there has been no Corbyn bounce for Labour in Scotland.
I am rather underwhelmed by someone who has been in politics for so long, a professional and head of a party, knowing so little about what goes on in his country.
Getting Corbyn instead of Blair/Broon/et al is like getting the Guardian delivered to your house instead of the Daily Mail or Sunday Times. Difference for Scotland = 0.
On the subject of newspapers, a story came up on my twitter feed:
“By Jaber Mohamed For The Mail On Sunday Nicola Sturgeon was accused of backtracking last night after it was revealed she had ‘no plans’ to let Syrian refugees live in her home despite promising to do so during a television interview.”
I do not visit the Mail website, can someone clue me up on this story? I presume she has not got around to it and is really planning on doing it, instead of rushing through a mere gesture.
@Wuffing Dug
He didn’t get off to a good start when he said “I am a socialist, not a unionist”, then went on to say he wanted Scots to go for socialism within the UK.
But it looks like, with what are outright lies, he’s being given the chance to hang himself, which is a shame.
Will Corbyn be forced to make a retraction of what he has said on TV today?
Just another unionist showing his true colours. His party is finished in Scotland as is the union, Corbyn is just another snake of the brit establishment.
Thanks again WoS, as I no longer watch or listen to BBC TV or Radio I wouldn’t have known about this without you mentioning it.
Is there no way these points can be raised, discussed and clarified to a wider audience. It would probably need to be TV to get maximum coverage.
It bugs me rotten to see how these lies are pumped out as truths to the unknowing.
The labour party just can’t shake off the disease that it suffers from.
Lying bastarditis.
There is no known cure.
Well, that’ll be that, then.
Through poor advice from totally discredited slabbers, Corbyn just spouted lie after lie, which Scots will identify quickly.
Any slim chance labs had of regaining any kind of foothold in Scotland has vanished, hopefully forever.
Good riddance!
Just watched the small clip as I’m in Canada on holiday. Was He challenged on the statement made or did our good boys in the BBCjust let that go?
@walter scott says: 27 September, 2015 at 12:10 pm:
” … Corbyn has more in common with the snp than he does with his scottish labour brothers & sisters”
Then he has one hell of a strange way of showing it.
He has access now to not only the entire Labour Party resources but those of the entire Civil Service staff of the House of Commons. Yet he is either a total bare-faced-liar or he has been bothered to check his pontifications before opening his mouth without his brain.
Do you imagine that the Leader of a genuine political party has not a staff whose sole job is to research, check and correct anything to be published in the public domain.
Let’s just face it this is both official Labour Party policy, (writ large), and Westminster Establishment propaganda as propagate by the Establishment owned media. A pseudo-democratic-Socialist who is neither a democrat, a socialist nor an honest man.
If he is any or all of these he will soon be back with an apology and a bowed head – what, do you imagine, are the odds on that happening?
Why am I not surprised by the Brit Nat BS coming from Corbyns mouth and credit to Marr as he let the numpty get on with digging an even deeper hole for the Brit Nat Labour Party in Scotland.
Corbyn showing he is just anther Brit Nationalist reptile.
Oh and are us Jockistanis getting blamed yet for the Welsh humping the English at Wuggah yet?
Well then that didn’t take long. Oh dear Mr Corbyn it’s the same old song right enough.
I hope he doesn’t think that this garbage will win back the Labour voters who moved to the “ither” side, as they would see it.
We the electorate of this braw country, have heard it all before Jeremy son. Many, many, times, from various Slab eejits and ithers.Disnae wash noo, noway, nohow.
Anyone who harboured hopes of a Slab revival have just been torpedoed below the water line. Will Kez be confused about this. It’s getting to be like the grand old duke of york, getting marched to the top of the hill, and then back down again. Sigh!
No no no…Yes says at 12.03
Wasted ten minutes of my life watching Murray interview on Politics Scotland. Asked several times what his stance was on several issues and each time cane the reply “its up for debate” even when asked whether he took his orders from London or Edinburgh, However admitted he had signed up for the Tories financial plans over the lifetime of the parliament.
Herald running with story of more Glasgow Labour cronyism in favour of AS Scaffolding / Andy Smillie who are regular Labour donors.
Same old Labour politics at Westminster as Jeremy Corbyn’s son Jeb has been appointed Chief of Staff to John McDonnell and Pat McFadden MP, shadow cabinet Minister for Europe, has claimed almost £22,000 from taxpayer for renting a second home in his Wolverhampton constituency despite owning a next door property and renting it out.
He also owns a home in London valued at £1.2 million.
@Craig Murray: “Let’s hope he improves”
At what exactly
The man’s a liar no ifs no buts, no ignorance of the facts excuses, no inaccurate briefings mistakes, he’s a liar and it was written all over his face as he did it
Look again, you don’t need training to spot what he did
anybody can do it
On this display of casual lying and If he is the next UKOK prime minister, you can just picture the same euphoric hope that carried Bomber Bliar and Crash Broon into high office 97. And then it would all kick off again, war, war, war, slaughtering people in hot countries that can’t defend themselves against the latest range of hi tech tech UKOK weaponry. And just like Bliar and Brown, JC will have all and any proof he needs from whitehall’s corrupt finest and the maniacs running the BBC teamGB freak show.
It would appear that Corbyn’s just as big a liar as all the rest of his Labour cohorts.
Am wondering if it was intentional to misinform Corbyn on Scotland. If twitter and wings is an example of how disappointed people in Scotland who were willing to give him a hearing feel, he can forget any Labour bounce he may have been hoping for. He has let down a lot of people who thought he was a breath of fresh air.
Schoolboy error
Yesindyref,
Anybody with any integrity would have checked the facts for themselves.
Being busy, new position etc no excuse.
Passing on the untruths given by his sock puppets up here bad news.
End of.
Carping from the sidelines since 2007. 8 years of Labours endless, whining and bullshit. Casual lies delivered with a sneer. Never held to account by the press, they practically contradict themselves with their own lying and end up lying about the lie while coming up a with a new lie. The end result of this was Scottish labour seeing its near 50 year domination of Scottish politics brought to a grinding halt.
Corbyns’ response?
Lets keep talking bollocks to Scotland.
The problem with England is that it has not had any grass-roots change. Everyone has flocked to this new “saviour”, only he is going to be as big a disappointment as Barrack Obama was in the USA (his campaign slogan was “change”).
Left-wing England has nothing like Common Weal, RIC, Women for Indy or all these independent figures like Lesley Riddoch. They are all tuned into the Guardian and BBC. So they have gone flocking en masse to Corbyn.
In Scotland, we might be behind the Nicola and the SNP. But that is because we have decided from the bottom up that this is the way to secure independence. If the SNP really did start doing all these things Corbyn claims (wrongly) on live TV (unchallenged!), then everyone in Scotland would simply switch their allegiance to someone else. Goodness knows, we are not short of talent, parties, political infrastructure, social-media platforms!
England is going to be very disappointed in Corbyn… unless it gets off its backside and sees that it must make change happen for itself, instead of some messiah suddenly appearing and making it all happen, like in some fairytale. Life is not like that!
His Facebook page should surely be in meltdown with messages from Scotland
Rev:
You missed an open goal headline –
Jeremy Corbyn is a Liar ! 🙂
The other way of viewing this is that the anti-Corbyn tribe within Labour are feeding him the briefings that will make him look (of course, he might not need help …) like a complete Wally (apologies to all genuine and decent Wallies out there).
That will be the part of the campaign to rid the party of a leader who is patently incompetent (or at least portrayed to be so by those he thinks he can trust – clue here Jeremy – trust no-one, do your own research).
Or am I just being illogically kind?
C’mon @ Craig Murray!
SLab suffer the biggest and most decisive kicking in political history EVER, and Corbyn makes a schoolboy error of being briefed by the dregs of the party?
His statements don’t even make sense – how could SNP flout the law, and privatise stuff?
Has he been living under a rock, or is he really that lazy or stupid to parrot what Findlay told him.
It beggars belief, even when I was prepared to give the guy a chance before making a pronouncement on him!
About FE College courses. The non-vocational and some vocational courses, such as RSA typing, used to be delivered in local Community Centres on a self-financing basis. Partly this helped local people to organise activities of interest to all age groups (‘cradle to grave’ was the term used), but also it gave people an experience of organising things for themselves.
During Labour’s tenure – mainly under Cathy Jamieson as Education Minister, Community Education was sidelined and FE Colleges allowed to take over the non-vocational courses e.g. introductory computing courses. This replaced a democratic decision making system with a more authoritarian top down organisation. More in keeping with New Labour ideology.
It is sensible to remove these courses from FE Colleges. But they should, at the same time, be returned to Community Centres where they originated.
So much time, energy and money is wasted compensating for the self centred folly of Westminster politicians.
Like many others, I got the email from ‘Corbyn’ asking me to send him a Q for PMQs, which I ignored.
However after the car crash ‘interview’ with Marr, I asked why he was talking garbage on the BBC.
Since it’s unlikely the original email was sent by him, I’m not holding my breath.
Same old, same old crap from Lab regarding Scotland who have only ever viewed us as voting/cannon fodder.
Only thing I’m going to disagree with you on is that this is a result of bad briefing.
While I can agree with you that with his background the poor love probably wouldn’t know what Calmac is he most certainly knows what British Rail is and when it was privatised, so if his briefing paper on Scotland was full of lies he most certainly would have known it, and apparently very happy to repeat them.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Corbyn’s interest in Scotland is exactly the same as every other unionist politician, how can I exploit it . Just like all the rest of them, no matter how many nice speeches he gives, he is bad for Scotland. Anyone else who thought differently was, I’m afraid, kidding themselves.
Dr Jim at 1.37pm
You ask me at what he needs to improve. At not repeating lies he has been fed by Neil Findlay, obviously.
I can understand his need not to take on the non-Blairite elements of “Scottish Labour” like Findlay, while he’s taking on the Blairites. But it is still very, very disappointing he parrots this nonsense.
Of course I hope he improves. We need as many people sympathetic to Scottish independence as possible, or at the very least willing not to try to obstruct it. Valerie at 1.49pm why on earth would I not want him to improve?
By Westminster politicians, I include those Unionists who sit in the Scottish Parliament but really serve Westminster’s agenda. What is good for Westminster – and that really means a small sector of the population of SE England – is not necessarily good for Scotland.
Long before I ever heard of Corbyn the evidence was there as to what kind of man he was.
It’s not rocket science. Anyone still member of the British Labour Party or votes for them is a war crime apologist.
For people like him,Party and career come before principles,and that is the beginning, middle and end of it.
@Capella says: 27 September, 2015 at 12:38 pm:
” … Andrew Marr is also shown up to be either ignorant or biased.”
Nope! Capella, Andrew Marr is both ignorant and biased
I suppose one good thing has come out of this.
We now know that pissing about with these deck chairs isn’t gonna change anything.
Jim Thomson – Yes you are. Even if the briefing paper was full of lies he will have known that the Scotrail one was wrong, I have yet to meet a labour party member who can’t give you chapter and very detailed verse on what happened to British Rail. So why then did he repeat and outright lie which he will have known to be a lie?
I’m afraid as try and people might there are no excuses. His interest in Scotland is exactly the same as every other Unionists politicians, how can I exploit it? I suggest that people stop treating him as cuddly Jeremy and start treating him as what he is, the leader of the second largest political party in the UK and therefore and opponent of Scottish self determination.
The fact is that whatever JC’s actually up to, they still have to win England’s centre right British nationalist middle England Daily Heil/BBC vote. That’s why he’s on whisper thin ice and the New Labour red Tory crew will take him down. Almost 40% of England don’t vote at all. Another Bliar/Broon tragic legacy.
Kezia and red Tory SLabour didn’t weewee all over JC election for no god reason.
It is not surprising Corbyn finds difficulty responding to the suggestion he is a Unionist. The label, ‘Unionist’, really only has meaning in Scotland and Ulster. In London, there is zero understanding of the concept of a Union. He probably has always viewed the UK as simply Greater England.
Old dog, new tricks? Nae chance!
O/T folks
But is there a media blanket ban on the Catalan result.
Obviusly they ve voted for Independence.
Good old impartial UK media huh?
O/T folks
But is there a media blanket ban on the Catalan result.
Obviously they ve voted for Independence.
Good old impartial UK media huh?
Forwarded, with a request for comment, to Mr Corbyn!
Last year a higher proportion (65 per cent) of full time further education college students completing their course successfully compared to 2011/12 (64 per cent)
Also average student learning hours at college have increased by 53 per cent since 2006/07 and are now at a record level.
The research Excellent Framework (REF) 2014 results has found that each of Scotland’s 18 higher education institutions undertakes research of “world-leading” quality – and that 77 per cent of Scottish research submitted to REF in 2014 was “world-leading” compared to a UK average of 76.1 per cent.
This new report comes on the back of previous studies showing Scotland as the “most highly-educated country in Europe” and the best place to study in the UK.
@thomaspotter2014
link to wsj.com
They are voting right now, and turnout is high.
Yes, UK media seem to be avoiding the issue!
The problem for Together for Yes, the Catalan Indy coalition, is they really need 50% of votes cast. If the get the seats, but not the popular majority, their case is more open to challenge.
I had my doubts about Jeremy Corbyn by stint of the fact that he’d been happy to remain in the Labour party all these years despite their huge lurch to the right. I thought anyone who held the views he apparently does would’ve stood as an independent years ago when he saw that the Labour party had irrevocably swung to the right if he really believed in those things. Shame he’s proved I was right to be suspicious of him so quickly. Different day; same old mendacious, hypocritical nonsense from yet another politician who assumes we’re all too stupid to notice. A pity.
Hi Rev
I watched the interview this morning to see what he was like. Amazing that he was OK till he got to Scotland. Then it was just lies. What is it about us?
I just knew you would nail him.
Well done lad!
@ thomaspotter2014
the vote is today (Sunday) so not yet over. You could check out RT if BBC is being a bit coy. But on R Scotland yesterday a.m. they actually interviewed an SNP MSP in Catalunya to monitor the vote. Could hardly believe my ears!
link to rt.com
Independence Live is also covering the vote
link to livestream.com
Well …. I was prepared to give this clown a chance … just to see what he could bring to oppose the Tories. An alternative vision perhaps. But what have we got? Another embarrassing idiot with nothing to say once he is in the spotlight. I had never heard of him before he crawled out the woodwork, and I am sure he will soon fade from memory.
Valerie is right, why on earth did Corbyn trust the word of SLAB, given the trouncing they have take here since 2011? A competent political leader would never have taken a briefing by members of a completely discredited branch office of his/her own party at face value. What was Corbyn thinking about?
Well I was prepared a couple of weeks ago to give him a chance to bed in, but now I see he’s cut from the same cloth as the rest of them.
Obviously knows nothing about Scotland never mind Scottish politics. Just another “misspeaking” erse.
O/T Saw the last performance of the CHEVIOT,STAG AND BLACKBLACKOIL at Dundee REP yesterday. Asolutely wonderful show.
I laughed, I cried, I had a lump in my throat.
Cameo appearance by D Cameron dancing with a puppet not unlike a pigs head near the end. Hilarious. Should be compulsive viewing for secondary school Scottish history.
Against my better judgement I watched Marr this morning and he lived down to my expectations.
Corbyn was quite inspiringly fresh during most of the interview until he got to the ‘Scotland’ bit.
Thanks Stu you have coolly and clearly articulated all the issues I was jumping up and down about.
In the light of these rather casual lies more people will now have serious doubts about his ability and his judgment. Did he knowingly lie and was he lied to knowingly?
Heres an idea Stu, if wings still has some leftover money.
Send Corbyn a copy of Joe Pikes project fear as a christmas present. Clearly he’s oblivious to how mickey mouse the entire branch office operation is. Some educating is required.
So Corbyn knows bugger all about Scotland, but if he can’t trust Findlay who can he trust? He, with Murray and Kez, is in as bad a position as Porky Dave with Fluffy and Ruthless.
But it doesn’t matter to them, Scotland is a sideshow. Real power lies in England. I just wish they’d smell the coffee and let us go as it would change nothing in their frame of reference.
@craig murray says: 27 September, 2015 at 12:53 pm:
“Very disappointed. He has been briefed by Neil Findlay (not a conjecture). Let’s hope he improves
Oh! Craig, I fear you may be disappointed in that hope. I’ve been listening to these people since shortly after the Labour Lot gained power in the mid 1940s. Then, just a few years later, getting inspired to become involved in Scottish Nationalism.
It was a long and hard road to follow. Finding real facts back then was very, very difficult. However, as more and more real facts emerged, I began to realise we Scots had been getting lied to since long before the false claims of A Union of the Crowns.
Subsequent revelations have perhaps made me an old cynic but with an ever receptive hope to see things change for the better.
Here’s the result, plain for all who wish to see, to observe. We Scots cannot trust any member of the Westminster Establishment to tell the truth if they belong to any of the three main unionist parties.
The main reason being rooted in our false history. There is no doubt whatsoever the Treaty of Union was a forced and abusive marriage within a system, that condones and encourages the abuse. Furthermore, it doesn’t believe in divorce nor in marriage assets being joint property in the event of a separation.
Corbyn has just demonstrated to all that he is no different from the rest of the Establishment – he just uses different language to tell the same old lies.
You can tell who dont pay to be lied to by the BBC. They’re the ones still posting on here even though Scotland are playing 😀
What really angered me was his done to death line:” I care about poor people in Manchester, Liverpool and Glasgow, a flag will not independence is not the answer”.
Two things Jeremy. That line has been done to death. You are 10 years out of date. We tried staying in your UK and they don’t want what we want. Secondly I care about poverty all over the world not just Scotland or the UK. Are you suggesting we just have no countries at all?
Thirdly the UK is a right wing country. Your lot have had 50 years to change it. Instead of backing independence, because you have failed and will go on failing.You want to hold Scotland to right wing England and be run from London, by Tories with 15% of the vote. Where is the fairness and democracy in that.
Finally Manchester and Liverpool are cities in England that voted Tory. Glasgow is a,city in Scotland that voted Snp and yes. I would argue that your loyalty to the Union has cost Scotland dearly. It is essential for us to go our own way for the sake of our sanity and survival.
Scotland is not abandoning poor people in England. England abandoned themselves and they need to sort that out not us.
It is really quite irrelevant who briefed him.
He was an MP when the railways were privatised by the tories and when devolution was enacted.
To say that the SNP did it is simply a deliberate lie. In fact you could say, following the latest contract issue to an offshoot of the state owned Nederlands Spoorwegen, that the SNP re-nationalised the trains. Albeit to a foreign government.
@Indigo says: 27 September, 2015 at 1:10 pm
” … Mr Corbyn should educate himself or wheesht”>
No, Indigo, Corbyn has had 30 years being sweetly paid to already be educated before being elected to lead a political party.
He has the full resources of the Westminster parliament at his fingertips and he has the full resources of the Labour Party to call upon. He has staff who should check his every public statement.
What would we do to a medical or surgical practitioner who we found to not know the basics of their trade after 30 years? What would we do to a teacher not sticking to the national curriculum?
Yet we persist in allowing these well paid political hacks lie through their teeth.
SIGHS IN FRUSTRATION…
Jeremy, the SNP are NOT privatising Calmac. The SNP are simply following the law as required by EU Infraction Proceedings of 2006.
Remember 2006 Jeremy? The heady days when Labour ruled the Scottish Parliament (with the politically promiscuous LibDems in bed with them).
Back then the EU required that FAIR tendering be put in place for Lifeline Ferry Services. That was after Labour FM Jack McConnell and his LibDem Transport Minister made a bit of a pig’s ear of the demand from numerous islanders to have some fair competition. People on Islay, Arran and Mull were looking for something akin to the likes of that which exists in Orkney. Fair competition and a service that didn’t cost the islanders a small fortune in ferry fairs. Also a ferry service that didn’t burden the taxpayer with £100,000,000 in avoidable annual subsidies bled from the public purse.
Orcadian company Pentland Ferries Ltd., build their own new ships at NO cost to the taxpayer, and run a first rate UNSUBSIDISED service.
There is a big issue surrounding CalMac. Islanders love and hate the CalMac in near equal measure. For those islands and islanders who are held hostage every time CalMac go on strike or break down, the HEAVILY SUBSIDISED Lifeline Ferry Service kills off that very lifeline.
By all means enter into a debate about the merits and demerits of privatisation Jeremy, but not from an IGNORANT waffle that you just came out with.
The SNP have NO wrongdoing on this complex matter. Labour left an almighty mess after ignoring pleas from islanders about alleged monopoly abuse, which the EU issued Pre-Infraction Proceedings over.
All the SNP have done is inherit a dreadful mess.
I see from his FB page that still too many brain dead are swallowing the BBC and Labour lies. They still view the BBC as somehow honest. Aye there is one born every minute unfortunately.
Handclapping@ 2.51pm
Correct. Haven’t paid since June 2014 and I don’t watch their poisonous lies on live TV.
Blood pressure back to normal and haven’t kicked the TV once in the last 15 months.
Just proves it’s the same old Brit Nat Labour party. Even the left wingers in England are poles apart from the left wingers in Scotland. I would argue that working class people in England have very little in common with Scotland pitifully.
Scotland might as well be Mars. Labour are in terminal decline now.
@John Kerr
They call high blood pressure the silent killer. Does this make the BBC the noisy killer? 🙂
Could Corbyn be a secret tory plant?
Maybe he has been in one of those sleeper cells, one thing is for sure, each passing day the mask slips further.
Come the end of the year it will be goodbye from him.
Remember this guy was the best of a truly rotten bunch.?!?!
Tick Tock
Not sure if this has been posted before but really a worth watching.
Derek Bateman, Prof Robertson and Paul Kavanagh on the need for a true Scottish Media.
link to youtube.com
by Phantom Power
Good night in Edinburgh – really enjoyed meeting up with the Wingers.
Corbyn is a twat. Opening his big gob and spewing out utter nonsense when it comes to Scotland. He knows what’s happening in London but when it comes to Scotland he is a total chancer. He has accepted that Dugdale is the boss in Scotland. So why doesn’t he just stick to south of the border where he belongs? The map shows yellow so he will just have to get used to it. Twat that he is. Can’t stand the man.
Surprisingly the BBC News website on Scottish Politics has a “fact check” on what he says with comments from the SNP
link to bbc.co.uk
@Kenny says: 27 September, 2015 at 1:18 pm:
“I am rather underwhelmed by someone who has been in politics for so long, a professional and head of a party, knowing so little about what goes on in his country.”
It is actually worse than you imagine. BBC is reporting that Corbyn said to Marr, “Flags don’t build houses”.
This Corbyn may well be far more dangerous to the SNP than the other Unionist Party Leaders. After 30 years in the Commons he knows nothing of the United Kingdom outside the London bubble or conversely he doesn’t want to know.
By the way the statement that he knows nothing about HIS country is false. The UK is not now, and never has been, a country. It is exactly what its title describes it as, “The United Kingdom“. That is a Royal Realm. At best it is a state composed of four countries and, by the way, it is not Britain either.
I hate the lies so much because every time they lie like this they’re giving us vast amounts of work to do, by the time we go round the doorsteps or do our online activism, or in the case of the Rev, writing and promoting articles like this one.
I’m thinking of keeping a record of my hours and invoicing the BBC and Labour for my time. If we have to work to refute their lies then they should bloody well pay us for it.
When you think about it, Labour and BBC lies must be worth millions to the Scottish economy
Ian Murray speech Labour conference is jaw dropping
SNP bashing max
( : > )
SLAB tell so many lies to each other that they have no idea what the truth is anymore they are an absolute vipers nest. If by chance a truth slips out then the ENGLISH PROPAGANDA UNIT will cover it up, ignore it or spout their own lies via the ENGLISH BROADCASTING CORPORATION or MSM to spin it as SNP baad.
Labour HQ (London) is in such a shambles that nobody believes a word they say as they are all briefing against each other and Corbin is doing his own thing apparently believing all the lies that he gets told or wants to believe. Facts, truth and reality have been thrown out the window. The proud Scots of the unionist brand are Cannon fodder for the ENGLISH gangsters.
The EBC is a utter disgrace totally corrupt and a tool of the English state, a dangerous arm of government and we pay for it. Maybe the English are right we are pretty stupid.
Aye better the GITHER! in a pigs mouth.
Gary. 45%
‘Could Corbyn be secret Tory plant’
Red Tory,Blue Tory,London Establishment sleeper to help keep Scotland.
There has always been a market for these fake or superficial lefties.Galloway,Benn,Wilson etc.
They give the appearance of a healthy democracy,but they work to protect vested interests in Team GB,whilst giving gullible lefties a plausible outlet.They never changed UK one iota.
Corbyn may or may not be one of these (yet),but the biggest existential threat to the status quo is Scottish Independence, so the Establishment may allow his dissident utterances in the short term if he can be used by the MSM to keep Scotland.
Corbyn said to Marr, “Flags don’t build houses”.
I totally agreed with him on this point. So, exactly how do with get rid of these Union Flag waving BritNat idiots who insist in getting in the way of Scottish self determination?
Live Labour party conference Bbc now a Short Vidio of Kezie’s interviews ( Jim Thomson must be playin wie they knobs again) av NAY BLOODY SOUND ,it must hiv been to good tae share wie us Plebs.
kezie,s gonna be Scotlands chumpion in Education / Health ect ect.
link to youtube.com
Anyone would think Corbyn was being set up to appear incompetant and foolish…..which he does… school boy error…he needs to do his own homework and up his game.
I don’t use social media, but I’m praying that those Scots who
do batter these lies to death on Corbyn and Labour’s pages.
I didn’t think Corbyn would stoop this low and wonder whether he has just taken the “word” of Dipity Dug, who is worked from the back by McTerror-on?
Then again it may be Corbyn’s concession to go back to new Labour’s old ways- Scaremonger, Lie, and get your arse on the Westminster Gravy Train.
PS Thank God for the Rev! Bless you!
Nia Griffith MP Welsh Shadow Secretary.
Welsh labour will stop the Sale of social housing. Is there any bloody social housing left, horses have bolted an aw that. An another vidio wie nae sound, whit dont they wunt us tae know ( jist injected ah wee bitty Lamont in there) ah didna misspell Want.
ScottishLass says:
“he needs to do his own homework and up his game.”
I reckon he won’t bother. He will never have given Scotland more than a passing thought in his life. He won’t change now.
Scottish constitutional events will wash past him and, like most of the London Bubble, he will be left standing in an independent rUK wondering what just happened.
Rev
send a list of the lies to the Daily Mail and sit back and watch them make hay!!
Note that I read the paper but fight fire with fire
I wonder how many new labour members have appeared in scotland
I know people who work at Scotrail and they think it was the SNP government sold the railways to Abellio.
He can get away with these lies because the BBC report it as fact
Labour UK Conf
Pretty poor fare indeed for the impartial observer from Labour North reps, Dugdale and Murray.
Blah, blah, Blah … Indyref 2 / SNPbad. (Thousands of new members in Scottish region – no number though)
Aye big change under Corbyn right enough.
Kez classic …. “We lost election cause no one knew what Labour was about” … lots of words and rhetoric. Public still no bloody clearer what Labour is a bout other than we hate SNP.
Hopeless bunch;(they’re still just dont it).
Interesting to state that the SNP is privatising services. Could he be using rationalisation(where the arguer believes the claim for other reasons)as a form of manipulation by persuasion, to achieve deceptive intent- aided and abetted by a complicit MSM? Where is his evidence for such a statement or is it yet another example of lazy rhetoric and a distinct lack of awareness of what’s happened in Scotland over the last 3 years. He might want to read this;
The passing of the Health and Social Care Act
link to socialinvestigations.blogspot.co.uk
or this;
an individual who has had an interesting journey to his current role as Chief Exec of NHS England…
link to blogs.bmj.com
Labour seems to be excellent at recruiting all manner of individuals who are eager to further the cause of privatising state assets without any open and transparent engagement with the electorate. Let’s not forget that the Health and Social Care Act 2012 was passed (with the assistance of Lords and Ladies from all political backgrounds- including Labour- who had vested financial interests in doing so) to allow the completion through passive market processes of the gradual privatisation of the NHS conceived during the 1980s and quietly put in place, piece by piece, by each successive government administration and that does include Labour.
Someone who makes such an assertion publically with the implicit claim that it is valid in the sense of being true is either grossly misinformed or is being deliberatively deceptive. Labour should put its own house in order first. Scotland in case they haven’t realised is forging its own destiny and is perfectly capable of doing so as an autonomous and independent country.
Porky Dave Cameron says-
“By Jove Giddy we really need to knock all these pig fucking stories off no.1 spot,any ideas?”
Giddy replies”Why don’t we blood the new guy on the team-let him do what we really set him up for-bashing up the jocks!”
Porky Dave says”Splendid idea, how soon,I’m desperate.”
Gimpy Giddy-“We can have him on the Marr show sunday morning.”
Pigfucker Dave-“Thank God go for it”
Gimpy Giddy-“Sorted”.
McTwatnen, FUD and the rest of the Labour incompetents must be behind the information Corbyn is receiving.
Having watched the Scotchshire branch office of his party implode over the year, you would think he would check his sources for information.
Or is he really that bad? maybe he is getting distracted watching Dugdale running round in circles chasing her tail.
As for Morningside-shires Murray, “your tea will soon be oot”.
Tick Tock.
Man who shouts “disgrace” at anyone YES on BBC tv debates, also puts the JC boot in although what coffee red toryboy Doc Arthur drinks is another teamGB mystery.
Scott Arthur ?@DrScottThinks 29m29 minutes ago
This is awkward for the pseudo left in the SNP. It is time to smell the coffee.
Anybody who thinks the BetterTogether crew was a one off need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Nothings changed apart from BTUKOK getting more determined to stop Independence at all costs-gravy train before all else.
Jeremy Corbyn,the new saviour of the Universe?
Do me a fucking favour.
There won’t be any helpful leftie emerging from the Westminster Pig Market any time soon.
And as for Trident-these troughing pigs have all got commercial interests in the’it’s already been decided’ bracket-
just ask Union Jacket Murray.
Corbyn hasn’t a clue.
So my hopes that a Socialist leader of the Labour party might just get a cohesive oposition going at West minster. To combat all the henious cuts, and drastic austerity policies, that the Tories have planned for us. Now we discover he’s just as big a liar as Brown, Murphy, Dugdale and all the rest of this shoddy excuse, for what was once a great party and defender of working men and women.
God help us, cause good old Jeremy doesn’t appear to be up to the job. Nor do his researchers. And they include some right liars as well.
Am so enthrall & inspired by the speeches of the Labour party conference.
i,ll just leave this short vid here (sound on)
link to speaking-clock.com
Labour have passed the darts to their new man, and they still can’t hit the fucking board
Easily dismantled, easily outscored by the Rev
GAME SHOT!!
I think someone has said to Corbyn “Wake up and smell the pension”
Looks like we’re going to have problems with Mr Corbyn, if I recall right he’s opposed to another Scottish referendum, in his opinion, it’s already settled.
I don’t know what to make of that clip, did he listen to Kezia Dugdale? Surely Mr Corbyn wouldn’t be inept enough to speak in such derogatory terms about the SNP without checking his facts first.
Or is this a resumption of normal service from the Labour party, which we all know is to yell out loud SNP BAD!
@ Dan Huil
I disagree. As noted by others, Corbyn has been around for a long time and he knows he is lying.
No surprises as far as I am concerned; the only surprise is that some folk are surprised at the duplicity of Corbyn. Just another chancer who told folks what they wanted to hear to claw his way up the ladder. No better than the other three, he just told a different lie.
Well, Well …
No vote on Trident at Labour Conference !
Failed to get support needed.
Corbyn’s reputation in tatters ( Labour lost its Soul years ago)
Charlatans the lot of them.
All credibility gone now as Corbyns new dawn pony refuses at first hurdle.
Where’s the credibility over Trident now ????
(From sky news ribbon)
Corbyn is at best an idiot and at w
RE: Corbyn and briefings
If Mr Corbyn isn’t aware of the constitutional make up of the UK and the status of Scotland as a signatory to the treaty of union, then he has no business being leader of the Labour party and no business seeking to become Prime Minister.
Trident Failure for True RED Labour ? Disaster
Described as a shambles from within Labour Parry Sources
Utter failure – corbyn has let down thousands of new members if this stance prevails
@Craig Murray 2.04
Good luck with hoping Corbyn improves. My irritation lies in the fact that the man has access now to SPADs/researchers etc. and its beyond him to move beyond SNP baaad?
He knows the Marr show is important, he knows SLab suffered a rout, he must know the Press trash talk SNP, but he uses this platform to just bray SNP baaad, and hope the lies are swallowed.
I’m sure, like many in Scotland, I was keeping an open mind on this man.
His performance was beyond crass, and the pig lovers in WM will make mincemeat. That’s if his own party don’t get there first.
In the late 1970s I was chucked out of our local Militant for having a rant at them declaring themselves as socialists. The gist of my attack was that wearing a wooly jumper at the weekend and sporting goatee beard does not make you a socialist. On to 2015…och! I’ve been chucked oot already.
Corbyn – ‘Flags don’t build houses’
SNP – ‘Cowards won’t scrap Trident’ ?
Well, at least scrapping Trident wasn’t carved in Stone 🙂
…very,very saddened by that performance.
I had thought that Corbyn would be balanced and rationale and be capable of seeing through the irrational hatred of those who represent Labour in Scotland. However he simply read out a pack of lies handed to him. If this man was a real “thinker” he would have at least checked some of those “facts” in advance.
My hopes have been dashed. I thought we were about to see a new refreshing force in politics. Instead we have another politician surrendering deeply held values in order to hold his party together. Party before people once again.
It is with deep regret that I find an exceptional backbencher turning into a tool of the system.Another leader who will surrender values to gain party success.
The New Labour Blair smirk is beaming out as they see the moulding process begin.
The Trident replacement vote will see Labour continue as present and Corbyn will sell it as democracy…..what happened to the leader elected only a few weeks ago.
Betty Boop
‘He just told a different lie’
Spot on.These ‘maverick’or ‘firebrands’as they like to portray themselves know there are safe constituencies out there they can feed off.
Seen it all before as I watched in disbelief as gullible Scots reelected Labour decade after decade in countless elections thinking their wee tribal chiefs would fight their corner and change the world.
I never thought I’d see the day we would wake up,but we are now stirring.
You can be sure though that whether Corbyn is a useful idiot,or Establishment toady/convert,he will be used by Westminster and their MSM to try put Scotland back to sleep.
I thought for a few days that Corbyn was playing a clever game. After all, the guy can’t be that stupid having been an MP for so long.
It is actually starting to look like Corbyn is actually just an idealistic clown who believes that he can be all things to all people. Watching him jump on the very media bandwagon that he spoke out brings a different light onto it. I hope his party rips itself apart into oblivion and dies slowly.
test
gordoz says:
27 September, 2015 at 4:56 pm
Well, Well …
No vote on Trident at Labour Conference !
::::::::::::::::::::
Room for mischevious motion for debate in Commons.
SNP could put a cat amongst the parliamentary pigeons.
3 times Ive posted from my laptop and they haven’t appeared.
Again:
Re You Tube film Altered State (Scottish Referendum).
We all need to broadcast this far and wide. Facebook, Twitter and anywhere else.
Beat the MSM or they will beat us.
@muttley79 says: 27 September, 2015 at 2:25 pm:
“What was Corbyn thinking about?”
And thereby hangs the tail – Corbyn quite obviously was not thinking but was just doing what Labour do best. Sticking to the party mantra. It is like the dedicated bible thumper. No matter how scientifically or blindingly obvious the bible story is mince in must be believed explicitly.
So Corbyn trots out the same old myths and the obvious question must be, if he gets such simple to check things so very wrong by taking someone’s word for it, can we trust him if he were in charge of the big red button that launches nuclear missiles?
Ring! Ring! “Hello Jeremy, This is Kezia speaking, could you please fire the nukes as the Russians have just threatened to nuke the Clyde Base”?
Corbyn’s statement on Scotland has as much credability as the P&J’s poll this week on scottish independence, total bolloxs.
Also did he not mention something about scottish(spit) labour having thousands of new members ??? where’s the numbers?
No pigs were abused in the making of this comment, but a new donkeys earse hole did appear, on the Marr show.
@macnakamura – Good point.
I think this will be a wound worth irritating at every opportunity now.
Union men dictating policy.
link to channel4.com
Corbyn new leader same as the old leader, a liar and a coward.
On Corbyn’s jibe about houses not flags.
SNP have built 4,432 new council houses and are on track to complete 30,000 affordable homes by 2016.
Last Labour / Lib Dem Scottish Executive built a total of SIX council houses in whole of Scotland in their last year of office.
Stuart Campbell
‘Advice for Jeremy Corbyn’
Never mind the ‘Advice’. Gonnae jist get him a taxi.
So, the Labour conference will not discuss Trident, after Len McCluskey, on behalf of Unite, said he would back renewal and wee Kez said the Labour party in Scotland would have a free, unwhipped vote?
The Labour party managers have saved them both from the major embarrassment of answering difficult questions about their stance on this, by saying “not enough members” wanted this debate.
Maybe if Trident was relocated to a port in the South of England and McCluskey wanted the job security of Unite members in…a port in the South of England, working on Trident,it might bear some credibility.
JC also said he doesn’t ‘do’ irritated. Well, Ive watched him at least twice get really angry in interviews like C4 with KGM and I can say he certainly does do irritated – with finger-jabbing for emphasis. Maybe Mr C is not all he seems or wants to appear
Even worse than this, his shadow chancellor JMcD that I had such high hopes for, is now voting with Tories on their charter. So, so disappointing.
@ scotspine – you mean this ? (it is excellent)
Re You Tube film – Altered State (Scottish Referendum)
link to youtube.com
Corbyn has to deliberately lie ,in an attempt to win bacl Labour voters in Scotland. Wearing his emperors clothes of socialism,he hopes that he can produce enough credibility to bring Labour voters North back into the fold.
Without Scotland he has even less chance of pulling off the Great Socialist deception.Sorry Jeremy,we in Scotland are too clued up these days.
You have become a charlatan.
Corbyn is anti Scottish. The majority of Scots voted Snp and he belittles us as flag waiving imbeciles.We are all suffering from mass hysteria. I wonder if he went to Dublin and said flags don’t build houses. Oh I forgot Eire is a legitimate country but It’s celtic cousin Scotland is full of fundamentalists.
It’s good because now the veneer has been removed. People can see him for what he is
is. A disrespectful,narrow little Londonder . We might as well ask Barak Obama his opinion on Scotland as he is probably more knowledgeable.
Is Jeremy Corbyn’s performance on the Andrew Marr show not something SNP/Independence supporters should be celebrating?
I hope we see more of Jez, Kez & Morningside Murray on TV.
What they say is only a problem if there are a large number of people in Scotland being fooled by their con and I really don’t think that is a major problem as they are not really very good con artists.
Robert Peffers
‘Can we trust him if he were in charge of the big red button’
If anyone was in any doubt,the US Commander in Chief would hold/override the codes for Trident deployment, then I would think the name Jeremy Corbyn will surely end the doubt.
@ Robert at 5:29
“Ring! Ring! “Hello Jeremy, This is Kezia speaking, could you please fire the nukes as the Russians have just threatened to nuke the Clyde Base”?”
Jeremy: How many Labour voters would we potentially lose if they did nuke it”
Kez: Oh about a hunderd or so.
Jeremy: Let me get back to you on that.
Today has shown Jez is out of his depth. He is a pasty.
‘Big Jock says:
We might as well ask Barak Obama his opinion on Scotland as he is probably more knowledgeable.’
I don’t believe that he is not knowledgeable I think he hopes that voters in Scotland are not knowlegeable. I think that might be one fact about Scotland that he might have gotten very wrong but we’ll see what happens in 2016.
O/T
As ‘Scotspine’ said – this is an excellent 20 min film – very powerful with commentary from Paul Kavanaugh (Wee Ginger Dug); Derek Bateman, Prof John Robertson & Chris Silver.
Key points on how ref was stolen by UK establishment.
Def worth a watch & spread wide.
link to youtube.com
Corbyn said he will be coming to Scotland on Thursday (and again the following week!!) – what about a nice warm welcome for him??
Plenty of flags would also seem appropriate!!
Lying toad.
O/T
Independence Live broadcasting live now from Catalonia
link to livestream.com
There we have it. Corbyn is another lying politician who will say anything to get a taste of power and the access to favours and money that comes with it. The party comes before the people or basic decency and honesty.
Same old with new wrapping. Cannot be trusted. Expect nothing but lies, compromised principles (in reality all the promised high principles straight into the bin as soon as it helps the party or his career), and spin. This isn’t new politics, it’s the same old and it stinks. Well past its use-by date.
The system itself is broken. Blindly turning the crank to keep it running constantly for generations in the hope that it will heal itself will never work. The machine will only produce the same results.
Totally OT but cannot resist posting this information I have just come across:
In 1435, the future Pope Pius II, then a cardinal from Siena, was sent on a secret mission to Scotland. He swore that, on arriving, he would walk barefoot to the nearest shrine of Our Lady from the landing port.
This proved to be Dunbar; the nearest shrine was 10 miles away at Whitekirk. The journey through the ice and snow left him afflicted with pain in his legs for the rest of his life.
There is actually a fresco, designed but not painted by Raphael, of the future pope at the Scottish court. You can see it in the library which is part of Siena Cathedral (included in your visit to the cathedral).
I am sure there is a moral in there somewhere!
PS He fathered a child in Scotland but it died (perhaps eaten by a cybernat?)
It’s somewhat disconcerting to read that some folk are surprised/disappointed with Corbyn today. He’s a unionist politician, ffs. Let’s be quite fucking blunt about this – we’re not dealing with honourable people.
How steep is this learning curve, guys?
Lies and spin from Corbyn. Establishment speaks. Media don’t correct or even question.
Project Fear is still alive and well and living in Westminster.
thingy says:
27 September, 2015 at 6:16 pm
It’s somewhat disconcerting to read that some folk are surprised/disappointed with Corbyn today.
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Aren’t you?
Did you expect the proposed trident debate to be called off?
For Corbyns visit, how about a house( big or small) covered in flags.
Or a big banner saying “Who are you?”
Advice to Corbyn: check all the facts you’re fed by the Scottish branch office. That said, you’ve been an MP for 30 years and MUST have known what you were saying was tripe.
You’ve just lost Scotland again.
Having finally watched that train wreck display on the Marr show from Corbyn, Im left thinking the moniker ‘Tomb Tabard’ is an apt description (although I also suspect he is now as useful as Catweazle).
What a useless numpty
Catalonia, Quebec and Scottish Independence movements are totally different. More diffences than similarity. Too different to be compared without qualification. Scotland’s is the strongest. There is more support for Independence (pro rata).
Different, history, administration, culture, Laws, universal suffrage history, voting rights. If people in Scotland don’t want other Gov’s interfering in Scotland’s Independence. Wish them well but don’t interfere in their’s. The Scottish Independence movement has greater grievance and more support in Scotland.
Loving some of the comments on here.
Didnae take long fur the wheels tae come aff Jerry’s wagon. Lying bastirt.
The wheels fell aff much faster than I thought….
Beautiful.
“Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will avoid a showdown over the renewal of the Trident nuclear missile system at his party conference because motions on the issue have not won approval”
No sh^t. Sherlock!
Gerry 6:32
Nothing surprises me about them, Gerry. We’re talking about people who abstain on their own amendments.
What were you expecting?
“… motions were not approved”
Must have been a stool pigeon in the ranks.
Back to (recorded) rugby. 39-16 whoohooo bonus points 🙂
What about the Trident Debate Dugdale promised for the impending Branch Office conference?
Let’s not forget that she is in charge in Scotland – allegedly – just like Creepy Jim was.
Jeremy Corbyn has been like the pied piper in England. I’m afraid a lot of people are going to be very disappointed. Many, I’m sure, voted for him out of desperation as they have no one credible they can vote for.
As far as his attitude to this country is concerned, it was obvious to me some time ago, when I took the trouble to listen to a couple of his speeches on youtube, that he is an old school British nationalist Labour man. The speeches are peppered with references to Britain – “Britain this” and “Britain that”. He wants the railways nationalised and the rest. Well, so do I but I want that in an independent Scotland not in an old centralised British state. The thought of a return to old monolithic state run industries controlled from London by faceless unaccountable bureaucrats leaves me cold.
And all the fine words about reforming/abolishing the House of Lords and the removal of Trident are just that, fancy talk. Fine words butter no parsnips. Only the revolutionary change brought about through independence will make these things happen.
Yes, there’s going to be a lot of disillusioned people.
Good luck to our Catalonian friends.
If anything Corbyn has helped Scottish independence. He has proven once and for all the UK cannot be reformed.
It’s like trying to get the Orange Lodge neanderthals to wear green. It ain’t ever going to happen ever!
The only solution is to leave the club that will never change and always rip off the members.
Deep State(who actually run this fraud called British Democracy) will never allow Trident to be cancelled.End off.
Labour/LiarDems/BTUKOK Grand Coalition bedfellows have already decided it’s going ahead.
And there’s not a lot we can do about that unless Nicola decides the affront to Scotland and her people constitutes a material change and tells them to FUCK OFF.
Looks like it’s all kicking off down in Spain.
thingy says:
27 September, 2015 at 6:48 pm
Nothing surprises me about them, Gerry. We’re talking about people who abstain on their own amendments.
What were you expecting?
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I’m not sure to be honest. I certainly did not expect the PLP/unions to alienate their membership quite so blatantly as this, and I don’t think that JC did either. All in all, not a bad thing for scottish independence.
As I said earlier, I thought JC was perhaps playing a very politically astute game. Today confirms to me that the guy is just another idealistic muppet with no spine.
Given his lies this morning re Scotland I hope he gets the welcome that he deserves when he visits after the conference.
Corbyn didn’t even manage a debate on Trident, let alone a vote. To his weaknesses we can add…..
No. Authority. Of. The. Personality.
Oh, to be in Catalonia now free will is there.
Does anyone know if there is a TV link for the Catalonia results
So now we see the charade of Jeremy Corbyn in broad daylight. He opposes Trident, but the party he LEADS (allegedly) will not debate the matter at their conference. How convenient. Just like my waste of space MP Iain (I’m really a tory) Murray ‘opposes’ Trident, but is still in a political party that not only supports the current Trident system, but also supports the NEW trident system. Men of integrity, Jeremy and Iain.
It is clear from what the new labour leader said in Scotland today, that amongst the lies, his lack of understanding of Scottish matters shows he really isn’t up to the job. For anyone who has been an MP for 30 years,, and lived through rail privatisation to suggest that somehow it wasn’t Westminster but the SNP who did it, is just stupid, pure and simple.
An inept leader for a dying party.
Seriously though, it’s madness. The guy potentially had street cred, make mistakes is fine, even change his mind if he finds he can’t do something he wanted to, he’s human, but lie?
Point about calmac too, by the way, is that the ships are owned by the ScotGov i.e. us and would remain so, no matter who does the admin or runs the service on those ships.
Jeremy clearly does not do his own homework and has been caught copying from the girl to his right.
News from Catalonia-the 3 pro-indy parties have between them a majority in the elctions
Separatists win majority of seats according to exit poll:
link to twitter.com^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
Gerry 7:08
So we are agreed, then? 🙂
I did/do expect infighting and thus far have not been disappointed. Mostly likely the internal scuffling will rumble on until the next GE defeat… and so on…
Labour are no use to us.
Found it for anyone who wants it,
link to ccma.cat
And this is how the BBC report it.
link to bbc.co.uk
Poor Souls! Struggling with the concept of having to monster two things simultaneously.
Oh, if only Nicola and Jeremy could fall in love!
Gerry
‘Aren’t you.Did you expect the Trident debate to be called off ?’
Like Thingy,I stopped expecting anything from Unionist parties/politicians a long long time ago.
Even if they debated Trident,it would be a fudge/spin/nuanced.
They do not speak to me.
The irony of irony in all this is that the SNP has actually taken a private enterprise into public ownership and done the opposite of what (false prophet) Corbyn is suggesting.
Only, I doubt Kezia has told him anything about Prestwick airport.
New, New Labour: It’s Alive!.
Seems the exit polls are predicting an Indy majority in seats in Catalonia
link to theguardian.com
Oh dear!
@thingy – 100% yes.
I expected Corbyn to at least be allowed to have the illusion of power, but they’re not even giving him that. If I was an english voter who had returned to supporting labour on the basis of the breath of fresh air that Corbyn was presented as, I would be seething at the PLP/Unions right now.
Turns out that corbyn was not just a breath of fresh air, but actually every breath of hot air.
Now let’s see what the EU has to say about Catalonia. Interesting times and thanks for the link One_Scot.
Wings at it best, exposing the liars. Thank you Rev. These interviewers should be jumping on this stuff and challenging it. They are either useless and incompetent, or complicit in a campaign of propaganda lies. Which is it?
First Catalonia results expected at about 10, I think that is 10 p.m our time.
dakk says:
27 September, 2015 at 7:36 pm
Like Thingy,I stopped expecting anything from Unionist parties/politicians a long long time ago.
Even if they debated Trident,it would be a fudge/spin/nuanced.
They do not speak to me.
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I think you are misunderstanding where I am coming from. I expected at least some increased resistance from the labour party in the Corbyn honeymoon period. This leaves an open goal for the SNP in Westminster and Holyrood.
Labour voters just bought the exact brand new car they always wanted only to realise that it had no wheels. This bodes well for our independence.
This is worth repeating and I hope one of our fine Scottish Journalists nails Corbyn about it when he visits Scotland this week.
I have just listened to Jeremy Corbyn on the Andrew Marr show. I think he has just snookered himself regarding Scottish Independence.
He was asked about Independence for Scotland and his reply was the usual Unionist crap that Gordon Brown would come out with.
He was then asked what he thought about a United Ireland and surprise surprise, he was all for it.
So, he thinks Independence for Northern Ireland is OK but Independence for Scotland is a no no.
You cant have it both ways Jeremy, you cant be a Unionist when it comes to Scotland and a Republican when it comes to Northern Ireland.
Aye, the Scots are stupid, tell them anything, NOT!!
I love this Broad Church thing they keep saying, is this the one with the upside down crosses in it that exonerates lying Bastirts
Lets all agree to disagree together and then you’ll forget about what we were talking about, just join up, go on go on
Really what on earth are these people on,
Bring back Murphy, at least he was a laugh when he talked Shite, definitely better than Murray the village clown
I’m a Tory yes I am no I’m not,
I’m a Tory yes I am no I’m not
I’m a Tory I’m a Tory
And I love to tell a story
I’m a Tory yes I am,……… whit wiz ah singin again
Oh aye Labour isn’t it…silly me, forgot
Catalan Indy parties are in line to achieve a majority.
However, it is touch and go whether they get 50% of the popular vote. Certainly hope they get 50+ because it makes any moves more democratic.
Blaming Dugdale or Murray “advice” for Corbyn’s idiocy is nonsense.
If Corbyn doesn’t know the basics of rail privatisation from 1993 and that it’s not devolved to Scotland, then he shouldn’t be in his position. Either he’s a liar or completely incompetent. I suspect a mixture of both.
Fuck him.
We were assured by a prominent commentator on this thread just a few days ago that Corbyn was no Britnat.
Arf, Mr Murray.
To me, it seems that the LabConDems know that they have lost every politically aware voter north of the border and are just playing to those who still believe in the BBC and the Redtops.
There are a great many people in the UK who form their opinions from headlines and soundbites without paying serious attention to the small print or fact-checking – many English voters and Unionists will simply accept what he said as fact on the assumption that it wouldn’t be broadcast if it weren’t true.
SNP baaaaaaad!
Corbyn, McDonnell and Dugdale, its like watching Last of the summer whine.
But a shi*e version.
Go Catalonia !!!!!
The Brave win the Day !!
Scotland watch and learn not to live in fear.
Catalunya Separatists 🙂 projected % of vote 56.2%
Clear mandate even UK would recognise surely 🙂
link to twitter.com
@Big Jock says: 27 September, 2015 at 2:58 pm:
“Thirdly the UK is a right wing country. Your lot have had 50 years to change it.”
Nah! Big Jock, The United Kingdom is NOT a country. It has never been a country and it never will be a country. When I went to school, and they were teaching us to read and write, the teachers used to tell us to sound the word out and the second word in that title is K-i-n-g-d-o-m and it sounds out as KING-DOM. My dictionary explains that means it is the realm of a king.
My teachers also taught me I lived in the country of Scotland which was one of the four countries of the, “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”.
The problem is that the people in the country of England and the Unionists in the rest of the, “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”, not only want the United Kingdom to be one country but try to make us all actually be one country.
So why the hell are you siding with them and commenting here about, “Britain Being a right wing country”. Now the hell, if the, “United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland”, is not a country single country can the whole of Britain, (that’s the British Isles), be a country?
After all there are another four countries in Britain that are not part of the UK? Why are you spreading the Unionists propaganda for them?
Poor effort Jeremy…
What next..?
…’we can’t be bothered to help the poor..
…in case they damage our economic security?’
Been asleep on those backbenches?
You haven’t a clue about SCOTTISH POLITICS and it shows.
O/T Catalanoia
Best coverage on RT nothing much on BBC online so far
Aye, cracks are showing, not just in the ‘private’ schools around Europe.. but now in the Empires they’ve built too.
Mr Corbyn now utters in words what he only hinted at prior to his election:
link to archive.is (11th July 2015)
link to archive.is (14th August 2015)
If nothing else, it’s good of him to remove any ambiguity as to what he thinks about the SNP – and the people of Scotland, for that matter.
We know that Neil Findlay and Katy Clark briefed him before the election:
link to archive.is
Mr Findlay is the man who lost a leadership election against someone who turned out to be the worst Labour leader in history. Ms Clark lost her seat in May, when her five-figure majority was overturned.
The way I saw Mr Corbyn’s election, I knew one of two things would happen: either he would reform the party and thus provide a possibility for a more equitable UK at the cost of *perhaps* slowing independence, or he would fail, and truly kill Labour in Scotland and hasten it.
Either way, we would make it work for us. It’s a shame it looks like the second option after the Trident fiasco.
Corbin is only a fall guy for the Establishments “Labour” wing. The main manipulator and power behind Corbin is IMHO Tom Watson who when the order is given will plunge the knife in Jeremy’s back up to the hilt and smile as he does it.
Then establishment Labour will assume their part in the Westminster pretendy democratic pantomime and get back to the trough. Job done red Tory’s back on script.
CARRY ON LONDON.
Corbyn says `Flags do not build houses`,which I think is an attack on nationhood.
Stephen Kinnock (Labour MP and son of Glenys Kinnock)says Labour needs to claim back the Union Jack flag which seems to be good nationalism,
Will Corbyn sing Labour`s national anthem `The Red Flag`or will he think he would be seen as a hypocrite.
Union Jack good,
Red Flag good,
Saltire bad.
@ Gordoz.
Please refrain from using that S word. Its propaganda. They are not separatists.
They, like everyone else in Europe seems to be nowadays, don’t want to cut themselves off. They want to be equal partners in the EU, and wider world, just like everyone else, and to choose their own path, but not in isolation.
Try democrats, or freedom seekers, or don’t bother with any adjective, and just call them Catalans.
So this so called radical spends a great deal of his first big TV interview attacking a real radical movement. I was surprised so many independence supporters welcomed Corbyn, he is Labour after all, what did we expect?
Ever since the Norman Conquest, the English/British establishment has been convinced of the need to control the whole island and no establishment figure will ever be geniunely sympathetic to Welsh or Scottish self determination, Corbyn is merely another exponent of this mindset.
The next time this republican sings GSTQ, maybe he will sing the rebelious Scots to crush verse, after all thats Jeremy’s political goal.
Gordoz, well dunno if they will recognise it but I seem to recall that 55% was “overwhelming” so 56+% must be that at the very least, no?
Gerry 7.52
‘I expected at least some increased resistance from Labour in the Corbyn honeymoon period’
Agreed,and may I also add that I am very grateful to all the people who do listen to unionist politicians/parties and critique them,so I can add my plebs tuppenceworth.
@Alan Mackintosh
That’s what I thought but the BBC have gone very quiet on the matter.
According to them I think vote was cancelled due to rain. 🙂
As someone who had been a bit worried about the potential Corbyn Effect on our more gullible soft SNP voters, I have to say that today is the day JC finally and inevitably blew it. Parroting drivel from the Slab lie-sheet is an obvious mistake which, coupled with a classic Labour fudge on Trident, clearly indicates he has no more principles in his dealings with Scotland than the rest of his miserable party.
He neither knows nor cares about Scotland: he’s a metrovincial Unionist who can’t even be bothered researching the facts.
His “lefty” shadow chancellor has already signed up to Osbourne’s austerity package. I’m sure Nicola is looking forward to the debates next week at Holyrood. Good luck, Kezia.
You know, if we had even a half-way fair media in Scotland, we would be free of this rotten, pernicious Union forever.
Good luck, Catalunya!
That’s me told Rev – So No more Separats either ! 🙂
Ach well, was good while it lasted. Bye Mr Corbyn.
“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”
Just another Brit Nat bulls#t merchant.
Next…
Looking at the last couple of weeks, Corbyn is starting to make Ed Miliband look quite good…
Forgot to add: he’s a metrovincial Unionist who’s also in favour of a United Ireland.
He’s a more conflicted individual than even Ian “Angry” Murray.
Bet he wears UJ boxers under his Ché Guevara T shirt.
An utter, utter imposter.
Apparently pro-independence parties in Catalonia have won 71% of the vote according to exit polls. If that isn’t a mandate for independence I don’t know what is.