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Posted on May 11, 2017 by

Below is a clip from last night’s Reporting Scotland. It features regular election loser Christine Jardine, an ex-BBC journalist who the Lib Dems have tried unsuccessfully for years to crowbar into Parliamentary seats all over Scotland (like Aberdeenshire East in 2016, Gordon in 2015, the European Parliament in 2014, Aberdeen Donside in 2013 and Inverness and Nairn in 2011).

She’s currently contesting Edinburgh West, which the party has some credible hopes of winning, having held the seat for almost 20 years prior to 2015. And it seems that her former employer has decided to try to give her a helping hand.

And, y’know, they’re really not allowed to do that.

There are strict rules covering airtime being given to candidates during elections, and one of the key ones is that candidates mustn’t be allowed to discuss their own seat uncontested. They can talk about general national issues, but they can’t discuss their local seat without other candidates present, as Christine Jardine is not only permitted but expressly invited to do by presenter Laura McIver in the footage above.

Ofcom makes that abundantly and repeatedly clear:

 We look forward to the increasingly-maverick state broadcaster’s explanation.

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  1. Richardinho says:

    They just do what they want. That’s pretty clear.

  2. Richardinho says:

    Rules are for us (and strictly enforced), not for them.

  3. Proud Cybernat says:

    They’ll tell you SNP will be on tonight, SLabour on tomorrow night etc. BBC spin faster and better than a Zanussi.

  4. Tg says:

    Whats the official complaint process? Outrageous.

  5. frogesque says:

    But the state broadcaster’s own complaints procedure will find there has been no transgression.

    Rules? What rules? We rule, end of.

  6. handclapping says:

    Ah but we only knew there would be other candidates when nominations closed at 1600 hours today so last night was fine.

  7. Liz Rannoch says:

    Desperately trying to catch up here, but for this and the last thread would/could anyone tweet Joanna Cherry about these awful lies and ‘misspeaks’? Or is QT recorded? It’s just that I’ve seen nothing on Joanna’s twitter – I’m not on it.
    We must DO something about this.

  8. geeo says:

    There is no longer any pretence of impartiality from the BBC any longer, nor does there appear to be any intention of anyone to take them to task for the obvious transgressions.

    As for journalism in general, the future seems less than bright..

    College removes media course after entire class fails

    Douglas Barrie
    11 May 2017
    Inverness College UHI will no longer offer the Higher class from 2017/18.

  9. Fishy says:

    I remember voting Liberal in 1997 in Edinburgh West to oust Lord James Douglas Hamilton only to watch him retreat on every election promise within Four Months I doubt they will have changed their spots so to speak ?

  10. Peter Macbeastie says:

    The state broadcaster is increasingly happy to abandon even the pretence of impartiality.

    No real surprise when the state knows damn fine their case in 2014 was aided immensely by the state broadcaster and I suspect fully backs the continued (and expanded) manipulation of the population by it.

    I will henceforth only refer to the BBC as the state broadcaster with the full and certain belief that the implications of that title fit the BBC with absolute perfection. They are a mouthpiece of the state. They espouse the state ideological stance. They run distraction programming.

    I swear, if I had a way to do it I would take every single television broadcast network down for a month and let the people get used to finding their information and entertainment by other means, because the state broadcaster is all about keeping you entertained and totally ignorant while telling you they’re keeping you informed.

  11. Macart says:

    Oh Jeez!

    That shark has been jumped so many times in the past fortnight.

  12. One_Scot says:

    The question is, where does it stop?

  13. Pentland Firth says:

    BBC Scotland just can’t help themselves, can they? Their political agenda is obvious to all but the blind. It’s time for their masters in London to conclude that they are an irretrievable embarrassment and close the whole sorry branch office down.

  14. Name (required) says:

    ah, the joys of democraship or is it dictatorcy never sure for the proper word, fallacy of democracy

  15. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “They’ll tell you SNP will be on tonight, SLabour on tomorrow night etc. “

    That doesn’t matter. In this particular context they have to be on at the same time.

  16. handclapping says:

    However it could be argued that the introduction “Christine, you are standing in Edinburgh West. Why is that such a target seat for the LibDems?” does show that the BBC knew of her interest.

    But even if it doesn’t fall foul of 6.8, 6.9 or 6.10 it does fail 6.11 as the election was called on May 3rd

  17. Alison Rollo says:

    I don’t often comment but read every item you publish and I just want to say thank you!! It feels like every pro independence supporter against the entire might of the Unionist British Establishment — worse even than 2014!! Please never stop Rev – we need you!!!!

  18. Dan Huil says:

    The bbc’s promotion of british nationalism will continue to increase. It is now obvious that the bbc is a compliant arm of Westminster. Don’t pay the bbc tax.

  19. Ruglonian says:

    Yesterday’s tory election fraud ruling has shown we’ve now entered ‘post-rules politics’ – it’s a free for all and the media will do nothing to challenge it 🙁

  20. TheStrach says:

    None of this will stop until we’re independent. We can’t make them change so we need to employ every channel we can to get the truth out to people.

    That includes all of us trying to change minds by engaging constructively with soft NO voters.

  21. Truth says:

    Well done Rev. Surely another breach of the BBC Charter?

    If they have breached their Charter, you don’t have to pay.

    Please join the 10% of households in Scotland already not funding this dubious broadcaster.

  22. orri says:

    Think there’s going to be a recourse to rules lawyers in this.

    If today is the final day for registration of candidates it’ll be argued that she wasn’t technically a candidate until today.

    Sneaky sods that they are.

  23. Mike Robertson says:

    I was going mental at the TV last night when this was aired. Her indoors kept telling me to calm down. Didn’t realise she was ex BBC though just as well I didn’t know this last night or I’d be looking to buy a new TV today. Grrrr

  24. Famous15 says:

    Edinburgh West have enough of the LibDems. They are throwing money at this campaign to elect Jardine even before their MSP Cole-Hamilton has dealt with his “alleged” breaches of expenditure rules. The are bussing in students from around the UK to campaign for them. You could run a good campaign on their pizza bill alone.The irony is they ,the students,are probably doing this to make up for the fees the Libdems cost them!

    I still cannot get out of my head that Jo Swinson claimed for cosmetics and was found out. during the expenses scandal . She never apologised,the arrogant bissom.

  25. izzie says:

    What can we do about this can we go through bbc complaints?

  26. justin F.N. minty says:

    bbc radio 4 at it again, tomorrow at 4.30,program more or less explaining snp losing council seats

  27. Lochside says:

    Pentland Firth…BBC close down the jock branch office?…why? They’re doing just as they’re told…a great job in destroying Scottish freedom if speech…even the dogs in the street know it…only the dumb and the don’t give a fuck appear to be oblivious.

  28. K1 says:

    Spoke to a guy just this week who freely admitted voting No cause his business was just starting up back in 2014, says business is doing great and now absolutely on board for Yes in Scotref. All volunteered just through chatting about politics generally, Tories specifically…push the Tories in power for the next 15 to 20 years…they quake if they are human. 😉

    (Ah did not ‘rake the coals’ on his reasoning for first time round, we have to ‘hold’ these no to yessers and not berate them for last time…else we’ll push them back a step, imo)

  29. McDuff says:

    The BBC don’t give a stuff and will never act on a complaint because they are not held accountable by any government body,they might as be called the Westminster Broadcasting Corporation. They have managed to con the UK and world population into believing that they carry the torch of truth and intergrity when reporting news,”it’s the BBC so it must be true”
    I’ll say it again. the only way to scare them is a massive demo at PQ 50000+ but that statement is for some reason generally greeted with apathy. So the BBC will continue unchallenged with their anti independence/pro Unionist agenda and will become ever more bolder in the coming months and years as there is no one to stop them.

  30. Bunny Daft says:

    Serious question: can we crowdfund legal action against them? Meddling in elections is a matter of state, not a generic complaint that the BBC can handle in-house. I think they must be vulnerable on all elements of their royal charter, as they are misselling their product to the general public.

    But I’m a statistician, not a lawyer, so what do I know?

    And my anti-BBC website is half way to completion! Been reading up on the organisation’s history and origins and waiting for my DVD burner to arrive so I can start recording Reporting Scotland and then collate stats on it for crunching through R and SAS on my weekends. Gonna try running some semantic analysis of their text, and get statistics comparing the results over a longterm period…

  31. In all this fuss about a bit of responsible journalism some people are forgetting the vital role that Auntie Beeb plays in making sure everyone knows who they should be voting for. It is essential in a properly functioning democracy that everyone knows who is the right candidate to vote for. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if ill-informed voters put their crosses in the wrong boxes on polling day.
    As a public service broadcaster the BBC has a duty to perform. You didn’t think it might be in the interests of the people who pay for it did you? Perhaps you are thinking of pipers.(?)

  32. Robert J. Sutherland says:

    Proud Cybernat @ 17:49,
    Rev. Stuart Campbell @ 18:03,

    This broadcast segment unambiguously falls within the gamut of a “constituency discussion”, of that there can be no doubt, thereby triggering Ofcom’s guidance note 1.37. It was not accidental either, Jardine’s contribution was invited.

    However, I thought that PC‘s point is correct, since guidance note 1.40 is full of weasel wording, and notes 1.49 and 1.50 seem to allow this kind of thing if other candidates are invited and decline to take part, or it is made clear from the outset that the segment is one of a series and the list of candidates is given in each.

    I didn’t (yet) see the RepScot programme concerned, so did they fail to meet these requirements?

    Or is cheating possible because no opposing candidates have been selected yet? If so, that would seem to be a very dubious loophole to exploit. All too typical for the FibDems, of course, but you would think the BBC would be =cough= more circumspect. These are matters with which they must be extremely familiar.

  33. Comrade Heval says:

    Considering the amount of blind eyes turned involving Savile , Hall , Harris etc at the corporation political bias from the BBC is pretty small fry

  34. BillyT says:

    I live for the day the BBC Scotland ‘regime’ is taken down.

  35. Clootie says:

    Complain to who?
    The BBC/ an electoral body/ the police. It doesn’t matter which route you go the complaint will be dismissed after months of review…if it ever gets that far.

    The unionists no longer care about any investigations because they have full control. You can break the law on election spending. They can lie regarding claims on false memos. They can trod all over electoral rules.

    This is only the latest example….now turn on the BBC and embrace “the truth” as Jackle or Sally bring you a tale of another SNPbad story.

    The truth in Scotland is whatever the BBC decides to put out…what are you going to do about it they sneer!….and boy can Jackie sneer.

  36. Dorothy Devine says:

    I know one shouldn’t mock the afflicted but did anyone see the Liberal Democrat Groundhog Day PPB?

    Whoever thought that one up should be fired.

  37. Stoker says:

    WOS archive links for December 2013 now over on Off Topic.

  38. Robert Peffers says:

    Of course there is a way to stop the BBC.

    It is called Scottish Independence.

    What there isn’t is a way to stop them BEFORE Scottish independence.

  39. Legerwood says:

    It may be that the BBC have rationalised this as being OK because the nominations for candidates had not yet closed so they might argue that she is not yet a candidate until the lists are officially announced.

    I know, I know. Thin gruel but bet if you write to them to complain that will be a close approximation of their answer.

  40. Robert Peffers says:


    Why are we debating complaining to the BBC?

    Are not the rules being shattered the rule of Ofcom?

    So just what is the point of complaining to anyone else at least until Ofcom has been tried first?

    Here you go :-

  41. sinky says:

    More should complain about this, email to Ofcom

    and to Electoral Commission

    BBC National 6 TV news also claimed that in Scotland that since abolition of student tuition fees the numbers of well off pupils going to Uni had increased whereas the opposite is true.

    Leeds-based company Imactivate, found that the chances of pupils from Scotland’s more deprived areas going to university have more than doubled in the past 10 years.

    He concludes that “current criticism of [Scotland’s] higher education system is unfounded”.

    ‘Scotland, for example, has the smallest number of children living in poverty among the constituent nations of the UK, the lowest prevalence of low pay and far more young people from deprived areas going on to higher education.’

    The above quote is taken from the UK Government’s ‘State of the Nation: Social Mobility and Child Poverty’. published in December 2015 and chaired by Labour MP Alan Milburn.

    When Labour left office after 8 years just over 2 in 10 students from the most deprived areas of Scotland obtained at least one higher or equivalent. Last year, the figure was almost 4 in 10.

    Of course the BBC statement went unchallenged and no comment was asked from the SNP in the middle of an election campaign.

    Watch out for this at 10 pm this evening.

  42. grafter says:

    Don’t waste time complaining to the BBC. Don’t pay their “licence fee”. Actions speak louder than words.

  43. Breeks says:

    Call the CPS!

    Or no,… wait. On second thoughts maybe don’t bother.

  44. Robert Peffers says:


    Should follow my own advice and always check first.

    First rule of OFCOM is that the BBC must get first crack at putting you off first. I really should have guessed that.

  45. HandandShrimp says:

    This is exactly why I have been unable to watch the BBC for more than 3 years. Totally untrustworthy.

    I doubt I will ever watch their apology for journalism again. They behave as if the SNP have usurped their birth right and go out of their way to try and win it back with scant regard for professionalism and impartiality.

  46. Robert Peffers says:

    @Breeks says:
    11 May, 2017 at 7:24 pm
    Call the CPS!

    Why? the CPS is for the Kingdom of England only.
    In Scotland it is the Procurators Fiscal who decides upon whether a crime has been committed under Scottish law and anyway, you have to report the crime to Police Scotland first they investigate and report to the Procurators Fiscal.

  47. heedtracker says:

    I’d have watched that with no clue it was in breach of Ofcom rules.

    Jardine also fought one of the nastiest campaigns ever seen in Scottish politics, last time. Salmond refused to shake her hand on the podium, when they announced the result. And no bloody wonder.

  48. johnj says:

    BBC Scotland making an arse of themselves again.

    Who’d a thunk it?

  49. Pentland Firth says:

    Lochside asks why would BBC HQ be annoyed with Pacific Quay and consider closing it down?

    I wasn’t being entirely serious. They would no more close down BBC Scotland than they would close down BBC Norwich. The point I was trying to make was that for propaganda to be effective it has to be credible, and the output of Pacific Quay is anything but credible. When even Scots Tories and Lib Dems volunteer to me in conversation the opinion that BBC Scotland is risibly biased against Scottish independence and the SNP, I conclude that their propaganda isn’t credible. That should be of concern to their masters in London.

  50. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    Surely the EU or UN have a duty to intervene when an Ethnic minority* is subject to hostile propaganda which denigrates and demonises them through lies and misinformation via it’s own Governments State Broadcaster??

    *5 odd Million Scots vs 60 odd Million rUK, (I know this is simplifying the numbers).

  51. galamcennalath says:

    All pretence at impartiality has evaporated with the BBC.

    Their politics are clear …

    – pro UK
    – pro Union
    – pro Brexit
    – pro Tory
    – pro Labour in a Scottish situation
    – pro LibDem in a Scottish situation
    – pro UKIP

    – anti Scotland
    – anti Indy
    – anti SNP
    – anti SGreen
    – anti Labour in an English situation
    – anti EU

    On every issue they are now as predictable as the tides and the sun rise!

  52. Robert Peffers says:

    @Jockanese Wind Talker says: 11 May, 2017 at 7:45 pm:

    “Surely the EU or UN have a duty to intervene when an Ethnic minority* is subject to hostile propaganda which denigrates and demonises them through lies and misinformation via it’s own Governments State Broadcaster??
    *5 odd Million Scots vs 60 odd Million rUK, (I know this is simplifying the numbers).”

    Very good point, Jockanese Wind Talker, but I believe it may be better to try the Council of Europe:-

    It is actually bigger than the EU :-

    The Council of Europe is the continent’s leading human rights organisation. It includes 47 member states, 28 of which are members of the European Union.

  53. HandandShrimp says:

    In the past I tended to think of the Liberals as the “nice party”. Subsequent revelations about Freud, Smith and others raises questions regarding that but the sheer nastiness of their recent campaigning is every bit as unpleasant as UKIP.

    They are not the nice party.

  54. Rock says:

    The Scottish media, led by the BBC, is the enemy of the Scottish people, in my view.

    Scotland will not become independent until the BBC has been completely destroyed.

  55. Mark Fletcher says:

    Scots are supposed to be a fiery lot and not scared of a fight yet we never take to the streets.

    We are endlessly poked, prodded and humiliated and yet show limitless patience. I guess not everyone feels these slights, maybe don’t even notice them and think everything is just great the way it is.

    Perhaps we are still too British – too phlegmatic.

    I really hate the idea of public disorder knowing that once the genie is out of the bottle it can be hard to get it back in, but honestly!

    I reckon if we were French, you wouldn’t be able to get near Plantation Quay for tractors and dung-spreaders. That would be appropriate because that building is full of them.

  56. Rock says:

    Does Derek Bateman still insist that his former employer is not doing it deliberately?

  57. galamcennalath says:

    I’m beginning to think if it’s pro Indy Scots versus the full might of the BritNat establishment and its adherents in Scotland, then we are going to have a difficult time.

    However, the eyes of the world, and in particular Europe, are upon us. Not to put too fine a point on it, we need to sook up to our friends!

    If we manage to achieve Indy, despite overwhelming UK based opposition, I genuinely think and expect we will have the EU to thank for playing some part in it!

    We are EU citizens who so far have made clear we want to be closely tied to the EU. This is about to be wrenched away against our will.

    This, I am sure, is why TMay doesn’t want ScotRef prior to Brexit.

  58. Rock says:

    Mark Fletcher,

    “Scots are supposed to be a fiery lot and not scared of a fight yet we never take to the streets.”

    If big mouth “sovereign” Scots had a spine, we wouldn’t still be a colony of England after 310 years.

    The poorest of the African countries became independent decades ago.

  59. heedtracker says:

    Pentland Firth says:
    11 May, 2017 at 7:43 pm
    Lochside asks why would BBC HQ be annoyed with Pacific Quay and consider closing it down?

    Is it not all aimed at the 5,10,15% of Scots that don’t know, the swing voters?

    Feels like it, Pacific Quay fully aware of the YES/NO breakdown and the don’t knows ofcourse. They seem able to weight the SNP monstering directly at the swing voters, its like watching a sledge hammer hitting a grape to us but if you’re not that clued up…

    This is all new and exciting Donalda Macwhatsherface’s target audience, not quite sitting in the pews, heads back being fed their SNP bad BBC stuff, but pretty close.

  60. Robert Peffers says:

    Had a wee search and came across this on the Council of Europe Site. I knew I had read it somewhere while looking for something else but had thought it was an EU thing. The point is it says, “anyone”, can complain to them and it says nothing of doing it via their own government or the EU.

    If an individual can ask for their help half of a country/kingdom stands a great chance of getting their attention.

    Court of Human Rights:-

    Created on the 21st of January 1959, its purpose is to ensure the respect of the fundamental human rights described in the European Convention on Human Rights adopted in 1950 by the Council of Europe, which defines the rights and the liberties that the member states agree to guarantee to thier citizens. It comprises a number of judges equal to that of the states having retified the Convention (47 states today). Any person considering himself or herself to be a victim of a violation of the Convention’s provisions by a member state can make a complaint to the Court.

    Architectural information :
    Date built : 1995
    Architects : R. Rogers & Partners, C. Bucher

    Contact :
    67075 STRASBOURG Cedex
    Tel: +33 (0)3 88 41 20 18
    Fax: +33 (0)3 88 41 27 30

    For further details :

    It says any person. What if we petitioned the Court of human rights about not just the BBC but the whole Treaty of Union and the way that Westminster is now running the United Kingdom as the de facto Parliament of England and even cabinet ministers claiming that, “The Treaty of Union extinguished the Kingdom of Scotland and renamed the Kingdom of England as the United Kingdom.”

    Not to mention that by the use of EVEL they enforce that in the House of Commons that is supposed to be the United Kingdom Parliament.

    This page might be a good start as it tells how to go about things, Must confess I’ve not read this bit yet, though.

  61. Marker Post says:

    Yup, Radio 4 program Friday 4:30 p.m. about the numbers in the Local Council Elections, promising to explain why SNP councilors went down when they really went up:

  62. ronnie anderson says:

    @ Robert Peffers 8.24pm Of all the Intelligent Winger’s on here I dont think there’s a more qualified person than yourself to draft up a Petition , set to Robert .

  63. Mark Fletcher says:

    Hi Rock!

    I was in Antigua recently – a very small place with no resources except sunshine, lovely beaches and tourists – it doesn’t even seem to have any fresh water. Too wee, too poor. Really, really too wee and too poor.

    They are fully independent of course.

    I asked my clever Antiguan friends how come when Scotland cannot shake itself free? The answer was very simple – Scotland is too near England. We are in a killer embrace.

    I cannot accept that the Scots are spineless. I think we have been blindfolded and hoodwinked. There are signs that we have at last worked out what is going on. We are still blinking at the light.

  64. Capella says:

    OFCOM have been the organisation responsible for ensuring that the BBC abides by its charter since April this year. They ought to be enforcing their own rules. So a complaint to OFCOM would be in order.

    There’s little point in starting with the BBC during the purdah period of an election campaign. This isn’t the first time the BBC have covered an election. They know the rules.

  65. shug says:

    I have been thinking about Barnier in Dublin. The the orange lodge knew the Tories were about the sell out their brothers in Ulster and have them outside the UK and in an EU market zone as park ofSouthern Ireland they will not be very pleased

    This is definitely a message to get out to the new Tory converts

  66. Marker Post says:

    The latest Jonathan Pie rant about the “strong and stable” Tory government would be funny if it wasn’t true:

  67. Chick McGregor says:


    The problem with the ECHR approach is that you need to ‘exhaust all local remedies’ which includes pursuit through the domestic courts system.

    And the UK has the highest court costs in Europe by miles, not just designed to line the pockets of the legal profession but mainly to deprive the ‘little people’ the non elite, of justice.

    So whereas Governments have been successfully prosecuted through the ECHR elsewhere in Europe for not ensuring plurality and lack of bias in their state broadcasters, the UK/BBC have been able to operate with impugnity.

    A couple of instances of UK national newspapers being pursued through the ECHR have occurred but those pursuits were by some very rich individuals.

    There was a half-hearted attempt to allow media to fall under the special environmental rules as per the Aarhus Agreement, which caps court expenses at an even lower than normal European level, but that foundered, sadly.

  68. Rock says:

    Mark Fletcher,

    “I cannot accept that the Scots are spineless. I think we have been blindfolded and hoodwinked. There are signs that we have at last worked out what is going on. We are still blinking at the light.”

    We will soon find out when Saint Theresa of England and Wales refuses permission for an independence referendum to be held before Brexit has been completed.

    Nicola Sturgeon wants it before that.

    Will Nicola defy Saint Theresa and go ahead with a referendum before Brexit, effectively starting the process of UDI?

    Do Scots have the spine for that?

    I don’t think so.

    I must add that I am totally against violence of any kind and am not calling for it in any form whatsoever.

  69. Capella says:

    I’ve just submitted my complaint explaining that I didn’t go first to the BBC because we are in the purdah period of an election campaign. As a private individual I can not hold the BBC to account. It’s OFCOM’s job to regulate the BBC.

  70. Kenneth Meldrum says:

    There’s them and us
    Scottish and British
    That is how our country is made up
    Nothing to do with Tory or red tory
    These morons would if
    Asked would line up down at the railway station
    And board the cattle trucks destined for for Belsen
    U will never change these asses ever
    Only time will get rid of them

    But it does disgust me I loave them
    They would rather have Tory
    The same people who devastated Scottish industry
    In the 70s and 80 s
    The same scum who took away there jobs
    There would rather have them in charge
    No backbone no belief
    Thick beyond belief

  71. Rock says:

    What is Patrick Harvey’s game?

    To overturn an SNP majority of 9000 to win Glasgow North?

    Or to split the pro-independence vote and let a unionist candidate win?

    As he did last time to let Mundell in.

    The “independence supporting” The National should make it clear to its readers to ignore Harvey and vote for the SNP.

    Harvey is a disgrace to the pro-independence movement, in my view.

  72. harry mcaye says:

    It really is time we had a co-ordinated day of Independence marches across Scotland. All the big cities involved and events in town and villages too. A good time would be after the inevitable Tory landslide election win. Perhaps September time when most folk have already been on their summer holidays.

  73. Robert J. Sutherland says:

    Rock @ 21:05:

    What is Patrick Harvey’s game?

    To give the Greens a little time in the spotlight, since they are standing down in all the crucial marginals, while at the same time differentially bleeding more of Labour’s crumbling support than the SNP’s solid support. A win-win for indy all round.

  74. CameronB Brodie says:

    The BBC are clearly looking to hone the pitch of their broadcast, looking to achieve the “brown note” and thereby simultaneously disable all vile seps.

  75. Proud Cybernat says:

    Car crash of an interview on BBC (aye, BBC) for Roofy-babes:

    (Go to 1hr 12 mins)

  76. Dr Jim says:

    I remember when Patrick Harvie said he could think of nothing better than to serve the people of Scotland in Scotlands parliament

    Westminster must be better then eh

    But here’s a funny thing Patrick Harvie says he supports Independence, now if we’re to have a referendum and win it in the next two years why then is Patrick Harvie desiring to go to Westminster for two years replacing an already existing SNP MP

    Or does he have another plan?

    The Liberal Democrat PPB whilst attempting to show some sort of groundhog day actually portrayed two people who couldn’t care less about what happens to their country, which is pretty much the Lib Dem position really

    Geez a free Job more like

  77. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

    Thanks @ Robert Peffers 8.24pm I agree with @ronnie anderson says at 8:37 pm regarding you being the right man to word a petition.

    Where I used to see the BBC in the same light as Goebels propaganda broadcasts, I now see parallels with the inflammatory stuff from the broadcast media in Rwanda in the 1990s whipping up hate against the Tutsis with their constant vilification of NS, SG, SNP and Indy Supporters as Vile Seps and in the same camp as Extremists etc.

    Seriously sinister stuff when the PM can lie during a GE and it doesn’t get called out by the media.

    I also agree with @galamcennalath says at 7:46 pm that “All pretence at impartiality has evaporated with the BBC…..Their politics are clear” but also it is all the UK MSM not just the BBC.

    It is the Union at ALL costs, more than ever now with the realities of Brexit.

    Without Scotland and her resources the UK is sunk and the establishment with it.

  78. Mark Fletcher says:

    Hi Rock!

    I think the Scottish electorate have mandated their government and the FM to seek another referendum. It’s not the case that NS needs to ‘defy’ your pal Theresa, it’s your pal Theresa who is defying the will of the Scottish people.

  79. George says:

    Liz Rannoch, fyi.
    You appear to be under a misapprehension. Joanna Cherry is candidate for Edin SOUTH West, not Edin West. I know, I live right on the border!

  80. Robert Peffers says:

    @ronnie anderson says: 11 May, 2017 at 8:37 pm:

    “set to Robert “</i

    Well no, Ronnie, This is certainly a job for a fully qualified lawyer. Thing is we have one of those elected by us already leading the SNP and the Scottish Government. We also have a few of them sitting in the House of Commons and at Holyrood.

    I've been looking at the Council of Europe Court of Human rights on-line and there seems to be a lot of downloadable forms and PDF explanations. Strikes me this is a job for a crowd-funder to engage a real professional.

    Mind you after the Lawyer makes the case I see no reason for around 50% of Scots to each fill in a form and send it in.

    Mind you I can just imagine the look on the faces of the Judges of the European Court of Human Right when some Yoon numptie sends in a complaint along the lines of, “Bit whit aboot ma human richt tae watch Coronation Street an East Enders.”?

  81. JLT says:

    As I said on the earlier post today, I believe the media (along with Westminster) no longer care how they spin a story. They won’t apologise if it’s a downright lie, and if anything from what we are seeing, they are more likely to endorse that lie even further!

    Even though this has been a long slog and feels never-ending, don’t give up guys. They ARE rattled – badly rattled. We have not gone away and the Genie still refuses to get back into the bottle. It has gone from frustration to now angry despair. They must curse the internet and social media. Half a century ago, the clamour for independence would have diminished in the face of Westminster refusal. Not anymore.

    Now, they are using what tools are left at the bottom of their bag of dirty tactics and trick. Now it is just downright and out-and-out bare lies. God help them if that fails, because the last choice is just going for it and shutting down Holyrood …and if they did that, then they will have stirred the biggest hornets nest that even they might not be able to contain. The fury north of the border would be a sight to behold.

    Makes you wonder at what point they just get sick of us and tell us to ‘piss off!’ I know one good writer on this site is hoping for that eventual scenario. With Brexit and English nationalism …who knows?

  82. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Does anyone happen to know what type of thing Jardine did when she was working for the Beeb?

    Just wondering.

  83. Robert Peffers says:

    @Capella says: 11 May, 2017 at 8:38 pm:

    ” … There’s little point in starting with the BBC during the purdah period of an election campaign. This isn’t the first time the BBC have covered an election. They know the rules.”

    I did a wee search – the first rule in Ofcom’s book is that the complainant must exhaust the complained of organisation’s complaints procedure before Ofcom will even consider it.

  84. CameronB Brodie says:

    It’s Doctor Who that’s the important one Robert.

  85. Another Union Dividend says:

    @sinky says: 11 May, 2017 at 7:19 pm

    “Watch out for this at 10 pm this evening”.

    On student tuition fees BBC again failed to point out on TV news at 10.10 pm that with free tuition fees in Scotland under the SNP more students from deprived areas went onto Uni than under the Labour / Lib Dem student fees system.

  86. heedtracker says:

    (Go to 1hr 12 mins)
    Proud Cybernat

    Pretty good one with Salmond. BBC really care about Scottish comp education so so very much dont they. Who knew.

    Liked her creepy BBC end of interview threat at the end, are you antagonising the English against the Scots, with your horrid and evil indyref2? Who gives a fcuk, Eck didn’t say:D

  87. Cactus says:

    There will soon be a stranger inside my living room too..

    Just tuning intae the Radio 5 on medium-wave.

    The Question Time, go Edinburgh!

    Count me in.

  88. Effijy says:

    How about a petition against the BBC that already has
    92,025 signatures?

    Many Thanks for all the new signatures from WoS supporters
    over the last few days!

  89. geeo says:

    QT must be in Scotland..

    Thon Somerset-Webb wifey is on…

  90. Sinky says:

    Usual start by BBCQT as David Hayman outed as supporter of independence but Financial Times columnist Merryn Somerset Webb’s anti independence credentials not mentioned.

  91. Cactus says:

    OK, so I don’t get to listen live to QT on ra radio five, only the after-talk show, that go figures.

    Howsabout some commentary frae QT, you watchers?

    Mon Edinburgh.

  92. Sinky says:

    Joanna Cherry interrupted twice by Dimbleby during her first contribution.

  93. Cactus says:

    The name of the article video atl ~ ‘A free hit’

    That’s what ye used tae get in Glasgow, if ye stood on one of them yellow fire-hydrants in the streets (that were marked FH)

    An then ye were het.



  94. cearc says:

    A little light relief,

    Daily Mail unaware of tides!

  95. Contrary says:

    This is just hearsay and gossip, (I was rather annoyed that Patrick Harvie would stand in Glasgow North when I like having Patrick Grady as my MP & though I like to see the greens get their deposit back there is no way I would risk voting anything other than SNP for this unnecessary GE, so had made discrete inquiries), but it would seem patrick Harvie has chosen a safe seat to stand in so there is no risk to SNP. I believe the Greens are doing the noble thing and putting constitution before party, and appear to be getting a bad press for it. A stronger stance of declaring this & refusing to put up any candidates may have been more impressive, but I suspect they are compromising.

  96. Cadogan Enright says:

    Inform Scotland is starting new campaign to ensure everyone knows how the new external regulation of bias and inaccuracy works

    Link here:

    sign up to follow and help. It should be interesting

  97. Cactus says:

    Ahm aye living in some parallel time zone or summin’.. looks like Radio 5 are / were late joining the show.

    Just tuned intae QT again.

    Enjoy the “show”

  98. Big Jock says:

    Qt Edinburgh 10% of Edinburgh population is English. On Qt so far it’s nearer 60%. Do they bus these people in.

  99. Effijy says:

    QT-Good crowd response to Hayman suggesting we scrap Trident if we need more cash in our economy.

    Tory fruitcake tries to say free Uni places in Scotland a failure and rolled out that old proven lie that it was at the cost of 150,000 College places.

    Most people in the audience so far are English?
    Well the Beeb picks them.

    What a nasty tory woman on the panel, she knows so much she really should just be telling Scots what they should be doing. You Bad lot,

    Cheery points out how Tories have missed every one of the budget targets since they came in to power, and Davis admits that they have made no economic assessments for what happens to the UK with a hard brexit.

    Tory man being booed for spouting Tory crap.

    A Scot in audience asks why money is always found for illegal wars and bailing out corrupt Bankers.

    Mr English plant gets another go at bad Scottish Gov as
    he repeats Panel Tory man’s garbage about loss of College places.

    Hayman explaining the crap about Tory Rise in Scotland
    and lays down the SNP success that actually wasn’t reported
    in UK media,

    Bastard Dimbleby tries to say SNP lost 7 seats, Hayman says gained 6, Dimbleby suggests there is some disagreement???????

  100. Thepnr says:


    You are absolutely right of course, the Greens want Independence as much as the SNP. Get Independence then everyone can vote as they like and many more will vote Green.

    The Greens couldn’t be looked upon as a serious party if they put up NO candidates in any seat, they had to stand somewhere. Harvie is playing the long game and I welcome what the Greens have chosen to do.

  101. scotspine says:

    In any other Country, the equivalent of the Pacific Quay offices would have been long since occupied, or rendered unable to function.

    Just saying like.

    Hiya GCHQ.

  102. Effijy says:

    QT Cherry is the most impressive voice on the panel and laid it on the line that we will have Indy ref 2 as our parliament
    has already decided it.

    Irish Tory in the audience next refusing Indy Ref?

    Tory man using that old SNP not doing the day job routine.
    Moves on to twisted Scottish education report.
    He love great Tank Commander. Booed.

  103. Cadogan Enright says:

    @bunny daft 6.30

    Anti-bbc website looking for help and there are several other BBC campaigning outfits too

    Ponsonby says help needed to record BBC Scotland ‘news’ material for evidence

    Also exploring possibility of legal action against BBC and Ofcom if new complaints proceedure proves to be as ineffective as the old internal BBC self investigative proceedure

  104. Cactus says:

    Oor Cherry on fire.

    Audience interesting.


  105. Brus MacGallah says:

    Rev, how dare you impugn the fragrant Ms. Jardine as a carpetbagging opportunist. It is purely concidental that when she went to teach Alex Salmond a lesson in 2015, she just happened to move to a cottage in Gordon constituency for a whole five minutes. Amazingly she now appears to live in Edinburgh. The fact she shares an address with the Big Balloon Company Ltd is neither here nor there.

  106. Clootie says:

    …Ofcom complaint submitted…not confident of any action…I’ll post response.

  107. Capella says:

    Robert Peffers 10:12 pm
    I did a wee search – the first rule in Ofcom’s book is that the complainant must exhaust the complained of organisation’s complaints procedure before Ofcom will even consider it.

    You’re right Robert. However, it is possible to fill in the online complaint form and just explain why you haven’t started with the BBC. I said it was an election purdah period so I don’t have time.

    The complaint went in OK. Point is – they know about it now so ball’s in their court.

  108. Cactus says:

    Did she just say Erasmus or The Rasmus?

    In Ra Shadows..

  109. Thepnr says:

    Today Nana put an interesting Brexit story link from Ireland on Wings. I read it and responded with an email. Here’s the article link.

    I believe it’s worth emailing these people just so they’re not allowed to forget about Scotland.

    Dear Mr Weber

    Today I read your article in the Irish Times regarding the upcoming Brexit negotiations between the UK and the EU.

    I quote from the article “no EU country will be more affected by the UK’s decision to leave the EU than Ireland”. Might I remind you that Scotland too is a country within the EU albeit under the membership of the UK as a whole as is Northern Ireland.

    Scotland is a member of another Union of course and that is the Union with England which is 307 years old but Scotland remains a country with her distinct laws, religious freedom and education system. No one gave up their Scottish citizenship when joining a Union with England, no we became UK citizens as well as Scottish citizens.

    Likewise when the UK joined the EU in 1975 we also became citizens of Europe, a status we have had now for more than 40 years. Like your wish for Ireland to enjoy the support of the rest of our European family. Will you agree the same for the people of Scotland who voted 62% to Remain in the EU? 

    What I am pleading for Mr Weber is that Scotland as a nation is not left out in these negotiations, we too are citizens of the EU and the majority wish to remain citizens. Without the support of the EU that future looks bleak if we are dragged out against our will.

    The people of Scotland have not excluded themselves from the common table nor the common destiny of the EU, we wish to be part of that future.

    Please lend us your support.

  110. jfngw says:

    The SNP send some of their best politicians to WM, the Tories send their best Scottish politicians to Holyrood. Yes, those Tories you see at Holyrood is the best they have, you have to wonder what the rest are like.

  111. Effijy says:

    QT What a surprise that yet another Englishman gets to say SNP Bad and we don’t want Indy Ref 2.

    Tory man explain that although millions of Scots live below the poverty line, there is more poverty in Spain and Greece,
    That’s alright then isn’t it???????????

  112. Breeks says:

    All this bias and flagrant disregard for the rules would surely strengthen the hand of an SNP drive for devolved broadcasting.

    I know Westminster won’t devolve broadcasting, but the SNP should really be stirring the pot, and using Theresa’s General Election to secure a demand from the Scottish electorate and thus a sovereign mandate to demand some form of Scottish broadcast media.

    We surely have quite a dossier on BBC failures and dishonesty, add to that the work of G. A. Ponsonby and Prof Robertson and make broadcasting a manifesto pledge. Let the next fraudulent UK scandal be Westminster squirming to obstruct Scotland’s freedom of cultural expression.

    Said it before, it’s not to get rid of the BBC, but to allow Scottish broadcasting the freedom to exist. It could make all the difference come the ScotRef.

  113. Cactus says:

    “An act of justice!”

    A great way to sum it all up!

    Cheers QT.

  114. Thepnr says:

    Lets get tore in to these EU leaders. Tell them how we feel and get their support.

  115. Ken500 says:

    Emily Thorncroft says vote Labour to stand up to the Tories.Labour abstained or voted through all the Tories policies at Westminster. They could have defeated the Tories.

    Ben Wallace and Merryn Somerset Web are on another planet.

    David Hayman and Johanna Cherry are brilliant.

  116. Robert J. Sutherland says:

    Am going to watch a pre-recording now of today’s stage in Il Giro d’Italia instead of QT – a lot of honest pedalling rather than a lot of dishonest peddling…

  117. Dr Jim says:

    Why shouldn’t we do whatever we like with the BBC, turn it into a soft play area for kids or an ice cream shop, I’m being facetious of course but

    I’m told it’s a public corporation that eh we own, isn’t it?

    Let’s face it in it’s present usage it’s not much good to Scotland
    A nice big shoe shop maybe, bring back Goldbergs, I liked that shop, What Every Woman Wants, now that was a shop, there you go

    Perfect, BBC?, bin it!

  118. meg merrilees says:

    Proud cybernat

    Tried to listen to the Radio 5 interview but the BBC now wants me to sign in or register to listen to I-PLAYER RADIO??? (seems to be on all radio stations – just tried to listen to yesterday’s edition of the Archers and the same thing happened!!!)

    For the last week and a half it has been asking me to allow them to know my location every time I open the homepage. What is going on?

  119. Liz g says:

    OT… sorry
    I haven’t seen Tam Jardine post for a good wee while.
    We are all busy campaigning and stuff, I know, but either I am looking in at the wrong time or he has not been around.
    Can anyone say if he is getting on ok???

  120. Robert Peffers says:

    @Effijy says:11 May, 2017 at 10:51 pm:

    “How about a petition against the BBC that already has
    92,025 signatures?”

    I signed it long ago but I knew when I did that I was wasting my time. The point of the European Court of Human Rights is it has teeth and lots of them.

    They don’t just recommend or ask for compliance. There is much evidence, (of course you won’t hear about it), that this was the main cause of UK devolution and the pressure the COE applied.

    Thing is that now Westminster has botched the job and used devolution to split the only two member kingdoms up as four unequal countries with Westminster the de facto parliament of England claiming the Treaty of Union extinguished the Kingdom of Scotland and made the Kingdom of England the United Kingdom there is much evidence, including EVAL, to prove Scottish Human rights have been ignored by Westminster.

    There are several things I know about that the UK is signed up to that are against that sort of thing :-

    The Geneva Convention, The United Nations, The European Union and the Council of Europe. Which all, BTW: also have rules about State Broadcasting of propaganda.

  121. Cactus says:

    “An act of justice”

    Summin’ reminds me that Stu once wrote an article titled that.

    Will look later on the 17.

  122. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    boris at 11.44pm

    I had the Kilmun Hotel on the Holy Loch when all the mussel beds died. The departed Holy Loch US base commander had a letter printed in the local paper when a plan was announced to clean the loch insisting that the bottom of the loch should be left undisturbed. There was (is?) eight time the national incidence of a specific leukaemia in the area.

  123. The Dog Philosopher says:

    There were definitely one or two, or more, plants in that QT audience. One guy had a personal dig at Joanna Cherry that sounded just a wee bit too rehearsed. The two Tory/right-wingers came across as creepy and obnoxious, but then that’s par for the course.

    The best bit was when a guy in the audience asked how come the Tories/WM can always find money to bail out the banks or start a war or fund WMD, but still impose austerity on the poor?

    Haymen made a strong point about the LE results being a great result considering the SNPs time in power. It was interesting watching Cherry’s reactions to some of the things being said. I bet she reads Wings sometimes.

  124. Still Positive says:

    Re Question Time.

    David Hayman was undoubtedly the absolute star of the show, from our point of view. Joanna Cherry, when she was allowed to speak without interruption, was also magnificent.

    The Edinburgh audience, in general, were good. They booed the Tory and cheered the scrapping of Trident.

  125. Cactus says:

    Go Jo! (and cheers David Hayman)

  126. Capella says:

    @ meg merrilees – Lord Hall said a few months ago, when talking about the new charter and broadcasting, that the BBC would soon require users of the website to register.
    I’m not going to do that so probably that means no iplayer radio in future.
    I did not allow the browser to give them my location either.
    On the OFCOM form I ticked the box to stop them sending my name and address to the BBC.
    They can easily look up location of users. It’s not my job to do their job for them. If they ever provide a decent service I might be more cooperative.

  127. Robert Peffers says:

    @Cactus says: 12 May, 2017 at 12:30 am@

    “Go Jo! (and cheers David Hayman)

    I missed the start of QT as my wee pal’s wife was watching something else but from what I saw both Joann & David did Scotland proud.

  128. Capella says:

    BTW – we don’t get DAB radio in my area either and there are no plans to extend the network. The BBC is hopeless at providing a service, which is why I haven’t paid the licence fee for decades.

  129. Cactus says:

    Thank you Penny frae London on Radio 5 live tish now..

    Ye just made an arse of yerself.

    That’s what happens when you leave your radio on.

  130. Iain More says:

    So is anybody here still paying the Brit Nat TV Tax?

  131. Cactus says:

    No license, no more.

    Sing it.

  132. Capella says:

    @ Dave MacEwan Hill 12.18 – that is so incredibly sad. People are unaware of the destruction of the natural environment and people’s health. There should be an inquiry.

  133. gus1940 says:

    Re QT

    Yet another as expected star turn from Joanna Cherry ably supported by an excellent David Hayman.

    Wallace was well and truly walloped and it was great to hear the audience laughing and jeering when he came out with a selection of the old unionist chestnuts.

    Merryn wotsername seems to be a permanent fixture on the panel anytime QT comes from Scotland and all she did was come out with the same cr-p as she does every time she is on.

    Emily Thornberry illustrated perfectly the fact that Scottish Labour is firmly under the control of London.

    Yet again we got the old nonsense about how the constitutional question is divisive and splitting up families and friends. Of course, it’s not as if the age old division between left and right has never existed and is divisive – but that’s different – it isn’t caused by SNPBad.

  134. Cactus says:

    Glasgow’s Freedom Square has been looking excellent these past 7 spring days.

    The people of Glasgow chilling out in the sun.

    Lookin’ good Glasgow.

    Glasgow 😉

  135. bytheway says:

    Chick McGregor 11 May 8.47pm

    ‘The problem with the ECHR approach is that you need to ‘exhaust all local remedies’ which includes pursuit through the domestic courts system.’

    Small claims courts deal with faulty or sub-standard goods or services that have been paid for. Cost of a ‘claim’ I think about £75. Does state broadcaster offer an acceptable service for the money paid?

    If successfully argued not, then money due back to the customer from the service provider. Award may only be small portion of total fee but then multiply by number of short-changed service users. One million in Scotland?

    First post, old thought, from long-time lurker. This place has kept me sane.)

  136. The Dog Philosopher says:

    @ Iain More

    I bet you Nicola Sturgeon pays the ‘Brit Nat TV Tax’, so you better vent your rage at her, if so. I dare you to write to her and ask. Then we can round up the usual suspects. Eh?

  137. Thepnr says:

    @Liz g

    I guess Tam is just having a break from Wings, like you I miss his thoughtful posts. Never mind, still plenty more of us around.

    BBC licence? If you haven’t cancelled it yet then your not really serious in fighting back against the BUM. No, you are accepting of it.

    Please realise that for LESS than than the licence fee you can have all main channels except BBC on catch up for free. You can add Netflix and get all their films and TV shows for £72 year.

    Just stop paying the lying scum, you do not need the BBC.

  138. Cactus says:

    SO, what be the trending tags?


    And as for Christine Jardine.. oh dear.

  139. Meg merrilees says:


    I’ve just spent about an hour reading Calton Jock’s articles on the nuclear waste problem Trident and other MOD weapons are causing in Scotland and the wider coastal UK.

    It is unbelievably sad to think what we are leaving behind for future generations to have to clear up. And all the more obvious why’ Nuclear’ is not the way to power the future.

    See Boris’ link above at 11.44pm:

  140. Chick McGregor says:

    @Big Jock
    “Qt Edinburgh 10% of Edinburgh population is English. On Qt so far it’s nearer 60%. Do they bus these people in.”

    Nothing new there from the BBC.

    Just this week I tuned in to BBC Radio Scotland, it was the ‘culture’ programme, there were two ‘experts’, both English.
    The main reviews were a play (Whatever Happened to Virginia Wolf’ and a new music album by Blondie.
    The English male reviewer was honest enough to admit on the first that he rarely went to the theatre, and on the second, that his music interest was Swedish Metal Rock. WTF??

    It’s been going on for years now.

    I remember years ago, an English ‘expert’ on birds was on, the issue, Islanders dismayed that regulations prevented them scaring off geese. When told by an Islander that the geese were eating a lot of the grass on the Machair, on which their animal husbandry depended, stated that ‘Geese don’t eat grass’. Yes they do, their bills actually have teeth for that purpose.

    On another occasion there was an English ‘expert’ on pipe music who was actually so subtely taken the piss out of by the other contributors that he didn’t even realise it was happening.

    On another phone in an English woman when asked about the current topic said, and I paraphrase from memory, ‘Oh, that isn’t the topic your researchers phoned me about and asked me to come on for but I will give my opinion if you like.’ Giving the lie to the supposed random caller-in nature of the programme.

    I worked with an English guy who was interviewd on re-inactment, model airplane flying and photography. Even he was embarrassed at the photography club interview because he had only been in that club for a week and the long serving club secretary of the club was upset that he didn’t get interviewed,

    Same on TV. Whether it is ‘countryside programmes’ (which seem to be about the only thing made these days in Scotland) or ‘expert opinion’ or even, allegedly random, vox pops on some issue or other the English accented contributors far exceed the approx 1 in 12 of the population that their population density would suggest.

    Any visitor listening to Radio Scotland or BBC Scotland TV would be left with the impression that there was a much higher percentage of English in Scotland than there actually is.

    There can be no justification for this by examining the the UK wide media output available to Scots and which makes up the majority of media input they receive. That too is unrelentingly English view oriented.

    Why should Scots have far less chance of their opinion being aired in the Scottish media than that of English people living here?

    Ironically, I have heard more Scottish ‘expert’ opinion and Scottish creative output (plays etc.) and Scottish scientific advances on Radio 4.

  141. Still Positive says:

    All in all the Edinburgh audience, in spite of the obvious Tory plants, did Scotland well tonight on QT.

    Will be interesting what will happen in Belfast in 2 weeks time.

  142. Thepnr says:

    @Chick McGregor

    You are right of course in that the media favours others say rather than Scots when it comes to these types of programmes.

    Only the voters can change that when it comes to the second Referendum. I believe we will then have that power to destroy the impartiality we witness daily.

    Destroy our democratic deficit.

  143. ian murray says:

    If a tree falls in the forest and the media do not report it
    Did it really fall

    Sadly it did not and that is why the Tories are getting away with whatever they want.They are using Brexit and the next 4 words S&S Lship as a justification for everything they do and in England they see it as an opportunity to show their patriotic spirit to swallow the tree whole.

    If the SNP go after this stuff too much it will be Rabid SNP, unhinged SNP,Dangerous SNP all day long from the media and the Tories, we are not going to win that battle

  144. WP says:

    Sadly there will be no adhering to any rules by unionists when indyref2
    starts if recent examples are anything to go by. Even our only independence
    supporting newspaper the National has been infested with unionist trolls commenting
    on every story.

  145. Ken500 says:

    The Internationalist who wants out of the EU?

    The EU has the power to arrange trade deals. Not Westminster. The wall flower with no power. China – ‘Britain is an island without a Empire and influence. Want’s to come out of a 500 million pop nearest market. To trade with NZ./Australia 25 million people the other side of the world. They trade with China. Their neighbour. The UK can already trade with them if they want.

    The woman who wants Independence but doesn’t want to vote SNP. Wants radical Labour policies?

    I.e. Illegal wars, financial fraud and tax evasion? Labour abstaining or voting through all the Tories policies. Hilary Benn being cheered by the Tories. On more illegal bombing. Labour could have defeated the Tories at Westminster.

    The SNP wanted to take the railways back into public ownership in Scotland. That was refused by Westminster. All the promised powers refused by Westminster. The Union costs Scotland £20Billion a year which could be saved or better spent. Scotland has to balance it’s budget. Westminster borrows and spends what it likes and gives Scotland the bill. Scotland has to make loan repayments on what Westminster borrows and spends in the rest of the UK. The Oil revenues offshore and secretly and illegally taken by Thatcher. £500Billion borrowed and spent on Hinkley by the sea, HS2, Heathrow and Trident. All a total waste of money. With more credible alternatives.

    If the National does not get it’s website under control. It will go the same way as the Scotsman and Herald. Irrelevant. Unionist trolls. They have ruined every other website. People just get fed up with it. The reason Wings is so successful. Unionist trolls are kept in moderation.

  146. Fairliered says:

    I received an email survey from my SNP Consituency Organiser asking about the council elections. When asked “what could we have done better” nationally, my reply was “Been more assertive with the media, particularly the BBC. Encouraged “vote till you boak” I.e. Vote all the way down the ballot paper, putting the tories last.”

  147. Capella says:

    Media in rabid anti-Corbyn mode this morning! Paper review grim. I wonder if English and Welsh voters will notice the industrial level of propaganda. OFCOM will be rushed off their feet in this “purdah” period.

    R4 telling us that Theresa May has done a radio interview to top her TV interview. She’s a lovely warm person apparently and a good cook. If Donald Trump came to visit she would make slow roast lamb.

    No word on what Jeremy Corbyn would cook.

  148. AndyH says:

    Although more of a Netflix/Amazon man. I’m enjoying STV2 in the background.

    Apparently things happen in Scotland to Scottish people.

    It cycles all the local areas for news.

  149. Breeks says:

    AndyH says:
    12 May, 2017 at 7:25 am
    “I’m enjoying STV2 in the background….It cycles all the local areas for news”…..

    Viewers in the Borders have their own programs….

  150. Ken500 says:

    The US and China agree a trade deal.

    US beef and fracked Gas for Chinese cooked chicken. US trade deficit. $500Billion a year. $260Billion with China.

  151. McDuff says:

    Chic McGregor

    Right on. Its like there a deliberate Anglifying of Scotland.

  152. Muscleguy says:

    In other words your man was a Not Yet. It’s the future and he is a Now Is The Time. A perfectly respectable position. A lot has changed, be very disheartening and strange if nobody changed their minds in response.

  153. Capella says:

    O/T a second alleged wildlife crime not prosecuted by the Crown Office because the crime was videoed.
    Why is the UK blanketed in CCTV if no crime can be prosecuted if the evidence is video?:

    RSPB criticises Crown Office over dropped raptor case –

  154. Macart says:


    Ta much Nana. 🙂

  155. Smallaxe says:

    Nana, Good Morning. I hope you are well this fine morning. Thank you, for your hard work in giving us your most informative and interesting links.
    Kettle’s on! Peace Always.

  156. Sinky says:

    Daily Mail front page regurgitating an old smear story about Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh which was previously dismissed by the relevant authorities.

  157. Nana says:

    Good morning Smallaxe, I’m fine thank you. Computer glitch earlier so I’m a wee bit late.

    I posted four more links including Alex Salmond in the Independent, hopefully will show up later.

    @Macart Great read over at Wee Ginger’s place!

  158. Macart says:

    Apologies in advance for not archiving. It doesn’t appear to work too well from independent pages.

    Would it be bad form to say we told you so?

  159. Capella says:

    @ Nana – I had to switch browsers from Chrome to Firefox. Chrome was playing havoc with the PC, opening about 20 instances in the background and causing kernel panics, freezing up with 100% disc usage.
    Much calmer now on Firefox.

  160. Dr Jim says:

    The worlds biggest Nimbyists (controversial thoughts don’t arrest me)

    How would you feel if somebody told you a load of folk from another country were moving in to your country to tell you what you can and can’t do with your own country because they’ve bought a house in it

    They’ll find a newt or a bird they say is endangered so you can’t develop the area, or they’ll take over your local council to stop building consents, you’ll turn up at your local bowling club and there’s been new rules passed you didn’t know about or approve of

    Everywhere you turn they’re there complaining about stuff that never bothered anyone before, every radio and TV program seems filled with these folk speaking on behalf of some community or other

    Then the ultimate irony they vote against the wishes of the very country they came to for what they say was a better life but accept all the benefits your country offers better than the one that they left

    We’re not supposed to name these folk because we’re told if we do we’re anti or racist or some other word invented to replace the words concerned or annoyed

    Scotland has had folk from India, China, and many other countries move in and bring us loads of benefits like new and exotic lovely food just to mention one
    But what the folk from those countries never did is take over or attempt to order us around and reshape our country to suit them, in other words pretty good citizens by and large and an asset to our country and we mostly all say yes they’ve been good for us all with nurses, doctors, open all hours takeaways and corner shops and they work hard and get on with their own lives

    This other lot who we’re not allowed to name for fear of being called names which most of the previous folk mentioned seldom accuse us of seem a sensitive lot when it comes to us not liking the way they behave and they shout and stamp their feet and tell us it’s their country too so shut up and do as you’re told

    Well no Pakistani man or Chinese man has ever said things like that to me yet they’re entitled to be here just as much as the shouty folk,
    One last observation might be that the shouty folk also now want to get rid of the folk who don’t cause Scotland any bother and replace them with more of themselves

    So my conclusion is we shouldn’t be letting the shouty bossy folk do that
    My Syrian doctor saved my life and nurses from all over the world cared for me when Iv’e been ill
    On a Saturday night my local Indian or Chinese restaurant tends to my dietary requirements and if I need a taxi home somebody else from another overseas country is liable to turn up to ferry me home
    All in all I like having these people in my country so much so I feel they’re a part of the fabric of it

    So who the hell do these shouty folk think they are, and they’re pissing me off now just as they do the people in every other country they decide they want to own

  161. Nana says:


    I was using chrome also. I haven’t a clue what was going on this morning, pop ups everywhere. Could not get emails either.

    Did the old ‘switch off, switch on’ and hey presto. [I always forget that ‘fix’ usually works]

  162. Breeks says:

    Capella says:
    12 May, 2017 at 8:30 am
    O/T a second alleged wildlife crime not prosecuted by the Crown Office because the crime was videoed.
    Why is the UK blanketed in CCTV if no crime can be prosecuted if the evidence is video?:

    RSPB criticises Crown Office over dropped raptor case –

    That is disgusting. What better proof could you provide? How can we have any faith in justice when video evidence is inadmissible because it’s video evidence? While elsewhere in Scotland’s “Honourable” legal system Andy Wightman faces prosecution for defamation after speaking out about wildlife protection issues. Just shows you where the Law in Scotland holds its allegiance doesn’t it? It certainly knows what is sees down its gun sight.

    And all because, the Toffs want free reign to blast pheasants they don’t eat out of the sky just for fun, and yet object to natural predators having the audacity to try getting a meal from the process.

    Roll on Independence. Let’s leave England to torture its foxes, raptors and “game” birds, and make Scotland a haven for the flora and fauna abused and persecuted to near extinction or actual extinction. Let us teach our children what it feels like to respect creatures which belong here, from insects to whales and everything in between.

    It high time Scotland’s rich environment was a reference to its richness of diversity and balanced ecosystem, not the obscene proliferation of spoilt brat Toffs killing things just for giggles and “noble” tradition, and their equally blood thirsty keepers and lackeys who rank no higher in my eyes.

  163. galamcennalath says:

    Spanish take on Brexit. From Interestingly a quote from Barnier …..

    ” “The British have decided to abandon the single market and the customs union, and will have to bear the full consequences of this,” Barnier “

    … so it’s official, is it? Definitely out of single market? That’s what everyone is moving forward with?

    Perhaps the UK electorate need clarification on that, election and all.

  164. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @Lizg (12.08) –

    I’ve seen Tam J. on The Twitter recently, so, aye, he’s still about!


  165. Nana says:

    Lbc last night had a love in with May, chatting to Nick Ferrari.

    One thing you will learn from this interview is that slow roasted shoulder of lamb must be cooked ‘slowly’ Blimey thanks Theresa I’d never have known.

    A film of Alec Ross, speaking in Orkney on the impact of Brexit and Scottish independence on the Scottish farming industry,, is now available to watch online. A Q&A with the audience follows.

  166. call me dave says:

    I see that Yasmin Amhed Sheikh is on the front page of the express again. They must have heard a dog whistle from darn Sarf about the SNP not being fined from electoral commission.

    Gotta print some shit every day haven’t they Geez!

    Got the last National in the paper shop this morning… “they’ve gone quick this morning” says the woman.

    @Nana. Excellent links again.

  167. jfngw says:

    Meanwhile on the BBC, the Tories are a virtually critic free zone. Will we ever recover from the nausea of May on The One Show.

    Then on Thursday’s Newsnight there is a comprehensive destruction of Corbyn & Labour’s unreleased manifesto, including a number of fake photos mocking him. I don’t vote Labour but the state broadcaster is getting more creepy by the day.

  168. Lenny Hartley says:

    meg merrilees re BBC iplayer, they will be asked for location data in order to build up a profile of listeners, some interesting stuff going on in the background such as with apps that play a tone unaudible to humans that the onboard microphone picks up and reports back to the app creator that you are using the app.

    So for the BBC for example, they could compare location data against their licence database and see if you are being a bad girl accessing their services without a licence.
    Sorry this isn’t archived, on my iPad and can’t get it to copy the URL to plug into archive is

  169. mike d says:

    Dr jim 9.42am.agree with your post on this,but obviously not pc to talk about it . but we all know it’s the truth.

  170. heedtracker says:

    Wow, newsstands really are explosion of Jezza and Nicola bad banner front pages this morning.,_2017
    SNP lost -7 seats says wiki, source to,

    Wiki dont say but BBC still going with their fantasy 2012 result’s, or something.

    “The Conservatives gain seats, while Labour loses control of Glasgow Council for the first time in 40 years. Boundary changes have occurred in many councils in Scotland. Seat change is based on notional 2012 results, which estimate what the results would have been then if the new boundaries had been in place.”

    Another day, another pitiless BBC fraud on our fledgling democracy, only 20 years old.

  171. Calum McKay says:

    It’s the same old story –

    – do you trust the bbc in Scotland?

    Answer – NO!

  172. Thepnr says:

    Who fancies a bit of “Blood and Soil Nationalism”.

  173. David says:

    NEWS: There is a report in today’s Herald that the husband of LibDem Edin West candidate Christine Jardine has died aged only 55. He, Calum Macdonald, worked at Herald for 25 yrs, up to 2015.

    55 is helluva young for anyone to die. No cause of death was given in the report. 20-year old daughter now fatherless. 🙁

    I don’t know if this will affect Jardine’s candidacy, perhaps cause her to step aside. If so there would be no way to select a new LibDem candidate since the registration period has closed.

    The paper does not say if Mr Macdonald passed away suddenly, or if he had been unwell for a long time.

    Rest In Peace.

  174. Socrates MacSporran says:

    Dr Jim @ 9.42am

    Well said that man. Of course, it helps their cause that God is of their nationality, and, they did bring civilisation to most of the globe, so we Scots must be grateful for their guidance and strong and stable governance.

    I mean, if we do not bow down to them, God grant that Marshall Wade and all that.

  175. Jack Murphy says:

    From the Main Article:
    “…They [candidates] can talk about general national issues, but they can’t discuss their local seat without other candidates present, as Christine Jardine is not only permitted but expressly invited to do by presenter Laura McIver in the footage above.

    Ofcom makes that abundantly and repeatedly clear…”

    The Director of BBC Scotland said in December last year:

    “…..All our journalists everybody has a point of view and they’re entitled to have that, but I’m sure we ask our journalists to leave these firmly at the door when they come in to do their jobs here.

    “I believe they all take that very seriously indeed and I would defend our journalists.
    I believe that integrity is there in spades…….”

    ANOTHER FAIL two nights ago for BBC Scotland and it’s Director.

    Trust once lost…..
    Never regained.

  176. Capella says:

    @ Breeks 9.43 – it infuriates me that our natural heritage can be destroyed for the profit of a few. Even the statutory bodies responsible for protection can do nothing. The laws we enacted for protection are broken with impunity.

    As you point out, people who actively investigate these issues, such as Andy Wightman, are threatened with bankruptcy and loss of law making power.

    It makes a complete mockery of democracy. We obviously don’t live in a democracy and this coming election is focusing on that tragic fact.

  177. Foonurt says:

    Behave yurrsell Capella. RSPB Scotland, lik Scottish Society For The Prevention Of Cruelty To Animals (SSPCA).

    Bit ah serious maitturr. SSPCA loozes hunnurrs, tae RSPCA sooth ah wurr boardurr, fae kind-hertit folk leein ah daud inthurr wills.

    Time tae pit an enn, tae wurr wildlife baein herrit.

  178. Capella says:

    @ Foonurt – 🙂

  179. Jimmy Crawford says:

    “Must offer” being the key phrase, surely? Do we know for sure it was offered and turned down, before we wake up the posse?

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