A cure for depressing times
Posted on
October 13, 2017 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
We thought, since it’s Friday, you might like a really good laugh.
If you’re wondering if the “anti-establishment” Anas Sarwar is the same one who was privately educated at a £10,000-a-year grammar school, a hereditary millionaire who has also made his children millionaires while one of them is still in nappies, is privately educating the others, who had a Westminster seat handed down to him by his father but then lost it at the first opportunity, and who is now a Holyrood MSP without a single person in Scotland actually voting for him (having previously derided the Parliament as “undemocratic”), we can confirm that yes, it is.
I know I shouldn’t but Anas always sounds far too close to the orifice from which he speaketh.
Brilliant. The guy is a Sknob
Perfect “Jim Murphy 2 – the 2nd coming (with cash)”
The Anti-establishment Millionaire…..that has a bit of a ring to it.
Anyone offering book and film rights.
Anti-establishment?
I know this is a pet hate for the Rev but…. Ahahahahahahahahah (and breathe) hahahahahahaha! 😀 ROFLMAO
“I’m an anti-establishment rebel,” announces Prince Harry.
Is he not confusing ‘anti-establishment’ with UKIP?
Wait a minute …
British nationalists are the establishment. A rancid stinking establishment.
“and who is now a Holyrood MSP without a single person in Scotland actually voting for him (having previously derided the Parliament as “undemocratic”), we can confirm that yes, it is.”
The man is unembarrassable. I look forward with anticipation to him becoming branch office manager.
I must admit, this Labour leadership contest is more difficult to call than the others.
When Johann Lamont pt herself forward, I knew I wanted her.
When Jim Murphy put himself forward, I was desperate for him to win, and genuinely didn’t believe labour would be so stupid..
I believed Kez would be a gift to the SNP, and so it proved.
But this time around, I just don’t know who is the most inept, useless, gaffe-prone, lying, toadying nobody with the most skeletons in the cupboard.
I mean they haven’t even been elected yet and they are already damaging the Labour Party.
In saying all that, if I had to make a decision think I would plump for Anas, because I knew him before this ‘leadership contest’ and know how badly he comes over in debates/interviews, i do believe he will do the most damage to Labour.
Although if Leonard gets the nod, I’m sure he ‘won’t let us down’
From his f/b page…on brexit.
“The Tories are in chaos today over Brexit. As Scottish Labour leader, I will support permanent membership of the European single market”.
Really ?
I thought the official labour line was to support brexit due to being “democrats” ?
Has Anas Sarwar given any examples to show how he’s the anti-establishment candidate, or is he delusional and its simply all just in his mind?
Anas through the Looking Glass.
The bbc loves him of course.
Therefore he stands in opposition to normal social,economic and political conventions?
Possibly he is conventional and anti establishment at the same time ? As a member of Scotlab anything is possible I suppose.
I have seen principle benders in my time ,but this guy is right up there with the best.
For Anas Sarwar, of all people, to say he is anti-establishment shows contempt for the electorate as well as a brass neck – the size of Nelson’s Column.
He is so false and insincere, whenever I hear him I squirm.
Let’s hope the 1300 new Pakistan members of Slab, together with his brainwashed camp following will ensure he replaces Kezia the loudmouth zombie as regional party leader.
But how will he know we’re not being racist when we pour insults on him for his general and vile nastiness. The answer is of course he won’t – he’ll just play the racist victim card and bore us all to death.
Och well, if we must have ‘im, let’s’ ave him.
But will he be embraced by the BBC lot over on Pacific Quay. Somehow, I think not.
Does anyone know if either of the famous Labour seers, Hothersall or McTernan, have expressed support for Sarwar or t’other dude?
@ Ian Brotherhood.
Apparently the Edinburgh constituency that Duncan is Election agent in, has backed Leonard.
It is rumoured that Duncan is not amused.
Hair will fly.
@ Ian Brotherhood – was it not the McTernan Seer who penned the immortal prophecy:
There’ll come a time
However long it be
When a fresh-faced, silk suited dentist
Will rise to lead the proletarian party.
After which, the people of Scotland
Will take peaceful possession of their lands
And prosper for evermore
Under an SNP Government Land Reform policy.
Where do they get all these numpties from?
“Scottish Indy movement always been too conservative” – Simon Pia
@Simon Pia
I’d have thought you might have spotted the ‘radical’ nature of separatism, which aims to remove the historical shackles of British nationalism, which continue to undermine Scotland’s autonomy and free-will. Liberating a nation from colonial domination is the antithesis of conservative, frankly.
Capella,
I get where your coming from, but I prefer the classic,
Forsooth there came at last
A Dentist called Anas
His rebel yell
was utter hell
made Murphy seem a blast
@ Daisy Walker – inspirational! 🙂
Lost for words really. What a disgrace. There are people starving, being made deliberately destitute and homeless, and these establishment troughers are taking the rip out of the people of Scotland.
They are devoid of any conscience. Self seeking, selfish turds, sorry but they are.
Raised up high by the establishment compliant mass media, taking attention away from the fact that they are paid very highly for not being anywhere near effective opposition to the dreadful, cruel Tories. What are they for? Who do they represent? What is the point of them in public life?
Hope this doesn’t come across as dumb but how can anyone have a Westminster seat handed to them or become an MSP without a single vote.
How is that possible ?
I must confess that I thought that other chap would win being both a Corbynite and a useful Kenneth Williams look alike but I read somewhere that that almost all of the 1600 or so new Labour members are pro-Anas supporters from Glasgow. Given how few active members SLab have I am inclined to think he may actually now have the edge.
I can’t decide which would be better for SNP, they each bring their own baggage, but I am leaning towards Anas getting it as I think he would deliver the most laughs if nothing else.
re;CameronB brodie @2.21
Verbal diarrhoea from Simon Pia there.
I think we can avoid any of the spurious accusations of racism by simply pointing out that we ARE prejudiced but against dentists.
We are unapologetic anti-dentites.
Mystic Meg has just proclaimed, “Dentists, millionaires, people on the living wage will be celebrating toooooo.”
@Capella/Patrick Roden/Handandshrimp –
The tears are drippin aff ma seat here, just the thought of the Kenneth Williams dude becoming leader. It would be worth it just for all the ‘What A Carry On!’ headlines.
And then, who would be their Babs Windsor? Sid James? Their Bernard Bresslaw would surely be Neil Findlay…
…canny stop laughing, must take the dog for a walk and calm down a bit…it’s raining big-time, but, hey, I’ll just Carry On Regardless.
😉 😉 🙂
Oh, Anas is doing that Labourite thing, and speaking in code.
On the face of it, his claim is absurd, as Stu can easily point out.
But what he’s actually saying is that his opponent, Leonard, is the establishment candidate, ie. the one who will do the will of the bosses down in London.
Leonard is a longstanding union apparatchik who will enforce Corbyn & Co’s edicts upon the Northern Accounting Office. Can you just imagine the unlikelihood of an Englishman sounding off like Kez did to claim that he’s in charge and “Scottish” Labour will follow its own path, independent of London?
It was always an unlikely proposition at the best of times, but I for one can’t see Leonard, whom I reckon will be the winner, doing anything other than turning NorthBritLab back into a mere front for its London masters.
Sarwar may be a dolt, but he’s our dolt. He isn’t the one we have to worry about, it’s Leonard. His real allegiance lies elsewhere.
The SNP may have sailed a tweedy backwater in the 50s but then a fair bit of Scotland sailed those waters in the 50s, which was the Conservatives last real swansong in here. Prior to then there was little conservative about the founding father Cunninghame Graham and from the 70s onwards the SNP have steered towards ever more progressive aspirations.
I think Pia and others tend to look at the 50s and forget about what went before and what came after, looking to brand a movement with a zeitgeist from an era where a great many of the active members were not even alive never mind active participants.
I thought New Labour were quite conservative though.
Struggling to think who would look good dressed up as Hattie Jacques…
*more hysterical laughter gradually dims as he exits with confused dog*
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Sorry,—Completely Off-Topic.
Independence Live on Livestream at the SNP Conference on Tuesday the 10th..
They were transmitting for well over four hours!
In this clip Livestream gather four people from the Socialist group within the SNP,for a round table discussion on many issues affecting us all.
Nice atmosphere.
Scroll, starting 23:00,finishing to 1:17:40. 🙂
link to tinyurl.com
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Artyhetty
A right pile of havers that suggests a certain arrogance and contempt for the Scottish public, IMHO. 😉
To be honest, I don’t think there is a better candidate for the position of ‘Scottish Labour’ leader in terms of Scotland becoming Independent.
Struggling to think who would look good dressed up as Hattie Jacques…
Neil Findlay again? 🙂
or the keeper of the abacus
anas is the london labour candidate, parachuted in against the wishes of slab,
but it was london who pays for slab so they do are they are told.
notice how anas’s biggest supporters are the most unionist of slab’s supporters
Its funny but Anas has clearly been watching Orange Hitler’s campaign. Orange Hitler was going to drain the swamp for starters but he’s done exact opposite. Be interesting to see if Scots fall for Anas’s bullshit too.
Anas Sarwar claims to be the anti establishment candidate? That’s almost as funny as the Tory government asserting that they know what they’re doing in the Brexit negotiations.
Odious little lying toad. That’s all.
A friend of mine is a Labour activist who went to the dundee hustings and came away intending to vote for Sarwar as he was the least worst! Says it all really.
Excellent: 🙂
Leonard likened to Kenneth Williams is not a bad shout as is the suggestion for she who is ‘keeper of the abacus’
But Sawar must be favoured to win even though he is a bit of an a@s@!
PS:
Brexit poll suggesting public regrets decision
link to archive.is
You would think such an expensive school /education would have taught him the meaning of oxymoron,or is he just the moron??
To paraphrase an old billy connely joke (when he was actually Scottish and funny…)
“The very desire to become leader of the labour party in Scotland, should automatically bar you from ever being so”.
Dunno about anti-establishment but given his families approach to political nepotism he must at least be uncle establishment…
I’ll get ma jaiket…
I am going to have to stop reading your articles Stuart as every time I end up wetting my Y fronts through sheer laughter at the statements these numpties make, but I could always carry on if I send you my cleaning bill????
Imagine when there are two of them. Are any of them elected? No 1 or no 2 Labour are totally useless. Image be the rats in a sack keeping it going until they are not voted in. Most of the wee months voted in in any case. Money for old rope. Get be them enough rope. They can’t count or read a balance sheet. Just a bunch of complete incompetents. How anyone in Scotland can vote for them. After all they have done is just a mystery. Maybe they are paying the ‘actoivists’. They certainly deal it out down south. Using pubic money to fund a Labour Party. That is illegal. How many votes have they signed up from the same e-Mail address and phone number. Electoral fraud. It should be investigated. Buying votes the usual Labour/unionist way.
Simon Pia is an alcoholic who needs counselling. He should go and get help. Things might seem different when he is sober.
Predictive Text jumps – when being posted? It reverts back to other words/spellings. Really annoying. That’s Apple. Sending nonsensical text all around the world. Lost in translation.
Oh well I guess you can sell any old junk with enough promotion – O N C E – It takes a certain skill to keep punting the same piss over and over again before you get rumbled.
These two Clowns have been found out even before the off , which leaves Labour voters with a real dilemma, what one would cause the least damage, I wonder how many will just not bother rather than be associated with these useless bloody candidates .
Well if BLIS___d are choosing between anti-establishment candidates, the entire accounting unit must be deviants. I thought that was our gig. 🙂
link to thoughtco.com
However there is a cohort of Labour voters who think they will be voting for J Corbyn when the vote Labour in Scotland, but haven’t grasped that that also would leave then attached to a Tory Westminster most of the time.
These two labour candidates just highlight the utter dearth of talent in the labour party, especially in Scotland.
As i keep saying, only supporting independence in Scotland, can save them now.
The electorate of Scotland are behind the SNP, even after 10 years.
By attacking the SNP constantly, the unionists are attacking a very large bunch of Scottish voters. That will never get them elected anywhere near power.
The man’s an utter waste of space. A charlatan. If the working classes, the poor and vulnerable think that he’s going to do anything for them they can think again.
‘Anti-Bedroom Tax Protesters visit Anas Sarwar MP.’
link to youtube.com
An admirer of Trump and advocate of building walls between countries, such as India and Pakistan. Say no more.
link to archive.org
schrodingers cat says:
“anas is the london labour candidate”
Yes. It must terrify Labour Central Command in London that someday sometime ther Scottish branch might go native and actually put Scotland first!
schrodingers cat @ 15:07
Well, that’s just plain daft. Sarwar has Glasgow roots, and was the obvious local successor to Kez. It’s Leonard who is clearly the Corbyn candidate, though I wouldn’t describe even him as “parachuted in”, since as a serving MSP he has a perfect right to stand.
It is generally true however that people with an immigrant background tend to see themselves as “British”, since they don’t normally have any “Scottish”, “English”, etc. affiliation as most of we natives do. So I wouldn’t be surprised if Sarwar and some of his support were more than usually BritNat.
Corbyn’s interest in Scotland via Leonard is in winning back support for Labour if possible, but plan B is to try to keep the SNP onside in case they’ll be needed to propel him into power at the next UKGE, whenever that is. No more, no less. It’s as cynical as that.
Ooops that didn’t work! Check out the article / video.
link to jenkers.com
Not exactly off topic, as we are discussing BLiS___D. It goes without saying though, that deviance is culturally reflexive of social norms, values and practices. 🙂
Deviance and crime: social construction, labeling, power and function
link to slideshare.net
Not a Sarwar (or Leaonard) fan. But having read the piece Sarwar has been dirtily stitched up by the headline.
Anas is anti establishment. Labour establishment is for the working classes and poor. He is neither, ergo, anti establishment.
O/T ALYN SMITH mep’s EU READING LIST:
The UK trade delegations sent to Washington with Liam Fox was only 27 strong versus the 77 US representatives, and had next to no direct experience of trade deals.
unearthed.greenpeace.org/…
In a vindictive move the Tory party have suspended two MEPs who agreed that insufficient progress had been made in the Brexit talks.
uk.reuters.com/…
The European Committee of the Scottish Parliament met with Michel Barnier who confirmed that although his door was open to Scotland and Wales “It was the UK Government’s responsibility as to how it composed its negotiating team.”
parliament.scot/…
The First Minister of Wales Carwyn Jones has said that a ‘no deal’ outcome would be a disaster.
bloomberg.com/…
I met with my German colleague Barbara Lochbihler MEP earlier this month to discuss Scotland and the Brexit negotiations.
youtube.com/…
Farmers’ incomes will be cut in half if a ‘no deal’ occurs, according to a report by the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board.
ahdb.org.uk/…
A ‘no deal’ Brexit deal will cost $15,000 (£11,000) per person, according to Rabobank.
economics.rabobank.com/…
“Between the three months to May 2017 and the three months to August 2017, total trade in goods exports fell due to decreased exports to non-EU countries, partially offset by increased exports to other EU countries.”
ons.gov.uk/…
The IMF upgraded every advanced nation’s economic growth prospects except the UK in its latest set of forecasts.
thetimes.co.uk/…
The EU and the UK have started to engage WTO members on the UK’s withdrawal.
ec.europa.eu/…
The Scottish Government has released a publication focussing on the point of view of businesses. It focusses on real companies with real people and real examples.
gov.scot/…
The UK released two more position papers but didn’t consult the Scottish Government.
twitter.com/…
The papers are available here:
gov.uk/…
and here:
gov.uk/…
Philip Hammond has conceded that a ‘no deal’ could lead to grounded flights.
politico.eu/…
“My advice to the UK when they leave the EU is: don’t build the border station too small, you need plenty of space,” says Roger Nilsson, a 30-year veteran of Sweden’s border force.
politico.eu/…
The British Airlines and Pilots Association says a Brexit ‘no deal’ would be a “disaster”.
balpa.org/…
A leaked internal report by the Irish Revenue Commissioners has argued that an open customs border between Ireland and the UK will be impossible after Brexit concluding: “Once negotiations are completed … the UK will become a third country for customs purposes and the associated formalities will become unavoidable.”
rte.ie/…
Former Irish Taoiseach John Bruton has said that the EU “cannot rely on UK to stick to Brexit deal” because of division within the Tory party.
theguardian.com/…
Irish Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe unveiled a €300 million Brexit loan scheme to help small businesses as they deal with Brexit.
irishtimes.com/…
Whitehall departments are fighting over Brexit staff.
ft.com/…
Belgian ports such as Zeebrugge are getting increasingly nervous about Brexit.
theguardian.com/…
The EU has started looking into tightening its euro clearing rules to reduce the dominance of the City of London.
euractiv.com/…
Though insufficient progress has been made to allow negotiations to start, the EU has proposed to start discussing amongst themselves what kind of trade deal the UK could potentially be offered in the future.
politico.eu/…
Finally, if you are in Edinburgh this Saturday then there will be a Rally for Europe, urging the UK Government to think again on Brexit.
euromovescotland.org.uk/…
O/T
Just spoken to someone who is just two minutes off the phone to Malky Mackay and apparently Folk are rallying to have him as permanent manager. Otherwise it looks likes is Moyles. Also hot off the press, don’t tell anyone its a secret, this person has been meeting Hadji and Mackay and is trying to organise a rematch next year for the 20th anniversary of Morocco v Scotland. I said I wouldn’t tell anyone ?
PS its fecking raining in Atlas Mountains.
O/T Just received this e’mail from the derisory scotland in union
Sorry could not copy it. the jist is there is to be a debate in the UK parliament in early Nov because they have came up with 200000 signatures against an indyref 2. they are telling people to lobby their MP’s
You know what to do folks!
OT – totally unbelievably incredibly OT
Yay! Got my server renewed at £500 + VAT for the year, same price as last year and the year before and the year before that. Don’t ask, don’t get, the actual renewal price was, errr, a lot higher 🙂
Patrick Roden @13:24
When Johann Lamont pt herself forward, I knew I wanted her.
Ooerrrr missus
An anti establishment figure would reject the socio- economic politics of the disunited kingdom and look elsewhere for inspiration;
‘the Nordic model is still standing tall. That is even an understatement. It is the only socio-economic model emerging from the ideological conflicts of the last century, which has stood the test of time in the age of globalization…
The global financial mechanism, run for the benefit of „maximizing shareholder value“, continues to usurp the real economy and concentrate wealth and income in the coffers of a tiny elite. This system is inherently corrupt and utterly unsustainable. The massive eradication of jobs due to the ongoing technological revolution of automation will ultimately make this financial rentier-system unworkable. Underneath the surface deep-rooted social discontent is gathering strength, waiting to erupt, although the manifestations of it are still diverse and incoherent. But we are waiting for the gathering storm…
On almost every criterion of socio-economic success, the Nordic countries come out top of the class. This is surprising because the neo-liberal critique of high taxes making those countries uncompetitive and ultimately technological laggards, devoid of the entrepreneurial spirit, had gained much credence. But here we are: Economic growth, hourly productivity, technological innovation, participation in the labour market (specially by women), quality of education, social mobility, quality health care, equality of income, affordable housing for all, access to unspoiled nature – a vibrant democracy; you name it, they´ve got it…
It is a measure of how dismally the British Tories have handled the Brexit affair if they end up with no alternative but EFTA. On the other hand, EFTA membership and access to the single market through the EEA, would make perfect sense for an independent Scotland, were the UK to break up into its constituent parts after Brexit. This is not as far-fetched a possibility as it may seem for the time being. Scotland, after all, voted against leaving the EU, and the Scottish government is insisting on Scotland´s right to maintain access to the single market. This, indeed, could become the interesting outcome of one of the greatest political flops of recent history – namely Brexit’
link to socialeurope.eu
PhilM @ 2.39
Nice, I liked the obscure Seinfeld reference. If Anas wins then it might become more widely recognised.
Perhaps one for Mr Sarwar would be George’s “Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it”.
The Beard, season 6 episode 15.
@manandboy 4.32pm.
It seems like every day I have to struggle to convince myself that Brexit is actually happening. It is so blindingly obvious that it will be disastrous. This morning I actually heard a journalist on tv say that “It will all work out” and “The people have spoken” when challenged about the complexities of leaving the EU. Because, although a Brexiteer herself, she obviously hadn’t a clue about what we should do next. No one does.
I get the feeling that many of these people who support Brexit know that it will be ruinous for Britain, but for some reason , pride perhaps, just won’t admit it, even to themselves.
As usual, it will be the poor who will suffer most. Those who are barely surviving now will bear the brunt of this folly. Even people who think they are well off now won’t escape.
If only Scotland had said Yes in 2014.
As one of his predecessors once said, ‘Bring it on …’
Any relation to Anas Pooyorick I wonder.
A fellow of infinite jest.
It is reported that Spreadsheet Phil Hammond referred to the EU27 negotiators as ‘the enemy’ in Washington today.
He’s back tracked since of course.
I welcome being categorised as one of Hammond’s enemies. No need to apologise to me, Phil.
So it’s WW III is it?
Yeah, but he’s not actually ROYAL is he? Bleedin’ commoner like the rest of us proles inne?
Like f*** he is. What a tosser.
As the SNP is the now the unofficial establishment party in Scotland and offering things like a publicly owned electricity company offering cheap electricity, doubling funding on childcare and paying the fees on European nationals in the public sector then maybe Mr Sarwar is the true Anti-establishment figure by being against these?
@Pac Man,
I like the way you think.
@Jack Collatin
RE: Hammond diplomatic gaff
He surely did. Posted a link over on WGD. Unfortunately its a site that doesn’t archive well and it’s O/T, so I’ve avoided posting here.
I have said it before and I say it again, go Sanwar go Sanwar.
For it is he. Will Ian Murray never get the red tory leader he wants? I know, who is Ian Murray?
EXCLUSIVE
18 hrs ago
Scottish Labour leadership contest is being “rigged”, says party MP Ian Murray
Exclusive by Paul Hutcheon
Investigations Editor
Good Heavens! Talking about the Western Isles, and having said “we’re now at the far end of these Isles”, later Neil Oliver actually managed to use the word Scotland, though he probably needed a colonic irrigation afterwards. Or maybe had one before.
Its a crying shame he’s ruined in any real chance of becoming the branch office leader in Scotland. Having another Dugdale or Murphy would have been really nice for the election campaigns to come.
Hammond made the point that we are ‘united at home ‘.home obviously being england,because we sure as f**k aren’t united with them.
Sarwar anti-establishment?
Does that make him a rebel?
Without a clue?
With lots of cash.
O/T Great display of UKOK toryboy media right now c4 teatime news, C4 ligger smearing Harvey Weinstein all over Hillary Clinton. They’re a crazy breed tory UK hackdom.
Regional list: Anas Sarwar, Johann Lamont, James Kelly. Pauline McNeill: Seats 4, Votes 59,151.
You don’t vote for the candidate, but the party, in the Regional list.
heedtracker 17 03
As for vote being rigged, I read on one of these sites, that SLAB had hundreds of member applications, all from the same e-mail address.
Hammond “united at home”, I think when he was talking about aliens invading, it was the invasion of the bodysnatchers and they’d already got him.
“united”: Scotland voted 62% Remain and is now up to 65% (or more), NI voted 57% Remain, Wales and Scotland are not going to accept the EU withdrawal Bill, and it’s increasingly likely there’ll be enough Conservative rebels to drown it, if NI and the Good Friday agreement aren’t sorted there’s troubles ahead, the UK as a whole is now up to 47% Remain but 42% Leave according to Yougov, the Brexit secret service team haave a report showing Scotland is screwed rotten leaving the EU but refuse to release it, Hammond and Johnson are on their final final warning again and May herself is likely on her final morning every day as PM, support for Indy is at least 46% probably more by now,
and Hammond says the UK is “United”.
If Anas wins the labour leadership he’ll be demanding a tilting seat in the chamber ( gimme that mouthwash )
starlaw says:
13 October, 2017 at 7:22 pm
heedtracker 17 03
As for vote being rigged, I read on one of these sites, that SLAB had hundreds of member applications, all from the same e-mail address.
Yes, its yoon culture pooling and sharing resources. Live the dream, Crash Gordo style.
Wonder why Crash has kept out of this farce.
@manandboy says:13 October, 2017 at 1:56 pm:
“But will he be embraced by the BBC lot over on Pacific Quay. Somehow, I think not.”
If London Labour in Scotland chose Auld Clootie himself as the accounting unit leader the BBC would embrace him.
Hammond is a member of one of the most disunited Westminster cabinets ever seen. No wonder he can’t see that the so-called united kingdom is disintegrating. Like the rest of these British nationalists he prefers the past to the uncomfortable present. No wonder the britnat Tv media shows so many WWII films.
This latest labour leadership contest stinks of the ‘Falkirk Fiasco’ to replace Joyce the MP where labour were covering up the cover up that covered up a cover up that covered up the original cover up where all the cover ups started – I think!
Labour in Scotland are like the Adams family, or is that too unkind – to the Adams family?
Or the Keystone Cops, but not so silent.
@Ronnie Anderson –
If Sarwar ever gets Leonard as a patient, it could end up a lot like this…
link to youtube.com
@Ian Brotherhood says: 13 October, 2017 at 2:47 pm:
“Struggling to think who would look good dressed up as Hattie Jacques…”
There is, without doubt, an absolute cert to fill the roll of Hattie Jacques and we all know who that is.
Or the Keystone Cops, but not so silent.
Well olde JC voted Remain but wants Brexit. JC’s veep of CND but wants to buy Trident 2, just never fire it, well maybe, it all depends really.
This beeb tory bootboy’s interview with Jezza explains how, by voting Remain, JC thinks Brexit is going to be fine.
link to twitter.com
Hi Ken500 at 3:47 pm.
You typed,
“Predictive Text jumps – when being posted? It reverts back to other words/spellings. Really annoying. That’s Apple. Sending nonsensical text all around the world. Lost in translation.”
I’ve been using Macs since 1997 and don’t have that problem. When I’m typing, if the Mac (or Firefox) thinks a spelling is suspect, a red underline appears under the suspect word.
I right-click on it and am offered a list of substitutes or “add to dictionary”. “Add to dictionary” is handy for words like “MacGonnagall”. If it’s a simple word like “deceit”, the list WILL include the correct spelling, which I click on to select.
It’s up to you to choose whether or not you choose “auto-correct”. You, obviously, have that as your choice. In Firefox, you go to Preferences > Advanced, then tick the box beside “Check my spelling as I type”.
Outside of Firefox, I would disable any “auto-correct” – you only want to be told, not pre-empted.
For younger readers who haven’t had the “luck” to watch the Keystone Kops, here you go:
link to youtube.com
@Robert Peffers –
Yes indeed, I think I know who you think I’m referring to, and I daresay you’re ‘probably’ correct, but I really wouldn’t want to finger anyone like that.
😉
Wonder why Crash has kept out of this farce.
From what I’ve heard, old ‘Crash’ or should that be ‘Cash Gordon’ is still the organ grinder here in Scotland (Think, Alex Rowley at FMQ’s when he landed Sarwar in it and gave Nicola an open goal.)
Interesting question on Any question just now…
Is Nicola Sturgeon a wiser or a luckier leader than the leader of the Catalans?
talking rubbish apparently only one of the 8 key factors is being met in the SNHS?
Ian Blackford on the panel…
Lord Forsyth says it is very worrying that the EU couldn’t bring itself to condemn the violence we saw recently.
Catalonia is the richest part of Spain, Scotland is not the richest part of the uK and that’s why we need to keep the Union.
Ian Blackford doing sterling work putting across the view from where we sit.
Chap from the Times is getting into deep water accusing the SNP of going to Catalonia to cause trouble!
Joanna Cherry was invited by the Catalans…
Audience groaning at Forsyth who says Nicola is lucky because she has several million pounds of shale oil under Glasgow and she is very stupid because she has banned it – went on to say that if the SNP had been in power 40 years ago, they would never have allowed N. Sea oil to be extracted.
Programme coming from Wellington church Glasgow. R4 BBC
Programme repeated tomorrow at 1.10 until 2pm.
I prefer David Dimbleby’s chairmanship of Any Questions… any time panellists try to go off topic and rant about the SNP being incapable or wasting money, he STOPS them and moves on to another speaker, or else reprimands them for going O/T…
What a difference from his big brother…
Much better programme as a result.
Programme ends with Ian Blackford singing!!!!! Don’t miss it tomorrow.
went on to say that if the SNP had been in power 40 years ago, they would never have allowed N. Sea oil to be extracted.
Cannot believe he said that.
They really are getting desperate.
Just thought I would do one more post … in case it’s like Brain of Britian and you get a bonus point for making 5 in a row.
Forsyth pointed out that there a lot of trees being chopped down in scotland just now – have you noticed?
He has a lot of rich friends and it would seem that they are all cashing in on turning their trees into wood chip for energy and picking up a subsidy for their troubles… and who’s paying for this – we all are in our electricity bills apparently.
@Meg merrilees
I kind of like Forsyth, ever since he got annoyed with Foulkes and came out with this:
“In 1707, we had the union of the Parliaments. The kingdom of Scotland and the kingdom of England ceased to exist in 1707 because the United Kingdom was created. Therefore, it is illiterate as well as misleading to suggest that there would still be a United Kingdom. If Scotland were to leave the United Kingdom, the United Kingdom would cease to exist.” (my bold!)
link to publications.parliament.uk
yesindyref2 says:
All things are relative. Tories were never good, but Tories of the past were nothing like as bad the present lot.
Even setting aside opinions, attitudes and policies, are there any current HoC/Holyrood Tories who clearly have triple figure IQs? None come to mind,
Forsyth is dead right about the trees by the way, timber lorries everywhere and if you’re in one place long enough you can see a few lorries going up the road full and down empty, 2, 3, 4 times a day. Scotland is being deforested rapidly. More asset-stripping I guess, before we get Indy.
@galamcennalath
Indeed. Mundell is like a goldfish in a shark tank.
Sarwar is an out and out yoon-yonist,
he is red,white and blue Westminster rules ya bas,
would rather see Scotland a burning wasteland under Tory control forever than have Scotland separate from his British Empire nightmare.
anyhoo,
sein as Sarwar is a toof doctor, does anyone know if they still put mercury in fillings and what happens to the mercury when people get cremated?
” Theresa May to call for Brexit transition talks next week “ – Financial Times
How can you consider what a transition arrangement would be when you don’t know what the final situation will be?
If common sense (and pressure from manufacturing, finance, agriculture, and academia) prevails and the UK aims to have single market access, then what is a transition period for?
Otherwise, the transition will be some sort of part way between where they are now, and where they plan to be. And where do they plan to be? Does May have any clue?
Carts and horses, again, I think.
This kind of reminds me of the Heydrich thing, and with Nana skiving this weekend, I’ll risk this:
link to opencanada.org
“The erasure of Indigenous thought in foreign policy”
Oh don’t fudge the issue, we all know she’s full of chocolatey goodness and very fat indeed. 😉
Another ripoff from Nana’s closely guarded hoard of links she shares with us
link to foreignaffairs.com
she’ll marbelise me when she gets back 🙁
Deforestation of the crap the Forestry Commission previously planted is a good thing. They are now replanting with better mix of native/broad leaf trees which does not leave the forest floor dead and stagnant. Future generations will benefit as will the environment.
Wood chip heating IMHO is a big scam but will not last long. Expensive to install (for average homeowner) but huge rewards selling excess to the grid. Businesses are running their boilers at full pelt during warmer weather with windows and doors open – (just to get their input to the grid) complete waste of energy.
Once our forests are clear of the crap wait and see the price of wood pellets escalate it will no longer be viable even with the grid subsidies (which are unfortunately guaranteed for X years)
@Shinty
I hope they are, that’s what I tell myself, we’ll get some mixed hardwood which is healthier and longerlasting.
OT
from my dedicated server webmin control panel: “System uptime 572 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes”. Shocking, simply shocking.
The most stupid people on the planet live in Scotland.
There will be many who will believe him.
I honestly hope he wins, I really do, he will be an absolute gift to independence. Even my SLab voting friends I speak to cant stand him. He’s seen to them as a slimly opportunist, but then again who isn’t in Scottish Labour?
He is as anti-establishment as the likes of JK Rowling, Alistair Darling and Richard Branson.
Rock says:
13 October, 2017 at 10:09 pm
He is as anti-establishment as the likes of JK Rowling, Alistair Darling and Richard Branson and you too Rock.
Saw this and thought of you Rock. So much for free speech in teamGB.
Northern Ireland
Woman could face hate crime prosecution over anti-DUP banner
DUP politician says swearing on banner Ellie Evans waved at Belfast Pride parade constitutes incitement to hatred
Ellie Evans said two PSNI detectives questioned her under caution. Photograph: Paul McErlane for the Guardian
Henry McDonald Ireland correspondent
Heedtracker @ 7.03 pm You spotted this = )
Adding to this well deserved laugh (Thank you Rev Stu) 🙂
Our very own wee Ian Murphy is busy throwing all his toys out his pram cos the Union ‘rigged the vote’ and his pal Anas didn’t get a look in.
Left Morningside’s darling with a red face I rather think.
Unite are not amused. Accuse Mr Red-Morninside of a smear campaign!
Dear Unite, that IS Ian Murray’s forte. Smearing.
Murray’s run out of stickers and candidates to smear so all that’s left is to attack his own. Oh dear oh dear.
He’s seen to them as a slimly opportunist, but then again who isn’t in Scottish Labour?
Uhm, er, erm, eh, well, eh…
The very worst has to be Flipper Darling and Bliar MacFastpiearm.
That pair have got to be in all Scottish history books in 2317, as our worst and contemporary Scottish rogues.
Flipper got a mention on BBC r4 terrible satire News Quiz show tonight, usual stuff, Scots are ranting thugs, haha.
But Sturgeon’s Strepsils gag really got up the noses of those tory beeb gimps. Its worth a listen if you want to hear angry beeb tories trying to not sound angry, on a comedy show too.
“The most stupid people on the planet live in Scotland.”
Well your the proof!
Conservatives hold Inverurie by-election by 500 votes on a 31% turnout.
GOTV
link to bbc.co.uk
The most stupid people on the planet live in Scotland.
Clearly you need to travel more.
@ Heedtracker – I listened to the News Quiz. London fannies jeer at SNP conference and Nicola Sturgeon. What’s new?
Mark Steel was at least funny in his take-off of Paisley residents distancing themselves from Glasgow. But the rest of the panel, and the presenter, were the usual 10 a penny rent-a-jeer numpties we have come to expect.
There is something deeply dysfunctional about Oxbridge yoons.
” Jeremy Corbyn is to warn in a major speech as he claims the pro-Brexit wing of the Conservative party is actively seeking a no-deal outcome to turn the UK into a “deregulated tax haven”. “ – The Independent
Doh? Where has he been? Not exactly a revelation!
FFS, Of course that is their objective. Always has been.
‘The most stupid people on the planet live in Scotland.’
Rock posted that at 10.04.
It’s a remarkable statement, and worth noting – its the moment, the actual *instant* when a long-term WOS contributor expired.
Alas, and alack! ‘Rock’ is no more…
🙁 🙁 🙁
Aye, Robot
Alex Clark,
“Well your the proof!”
Except that unlike you I have never voted for Scottish Labour or been fooled by them.
Conservatives hold Inverurie by-election by 500 votes on a 31% turnout.
Oh to be an Inverurie tory and Brit with that result. Inverurie’s tory creeps might ask themselves why they think their tory Britain is worth anything at all really. At the very least the new by pass will make dodging them a lot easier.
link to theguardian.com
There’s something anasty in the Scottish Labour woodshed.
(Cold Comfort Farm, I apologise)
Alex Clark (aka Thepnr) (21st July 2014 – Return of the living dead)
“I truly believe more than 50% of Labour voters will eventually vote Yes on the day. That will win the referendum for the Yes side.”
Well, they must have been pretty clever to vote No by your logic.
Ian Brotherhood,
“its the moment, the actual *instant* when a long-term WOS contributor expired.”
You do believe in coming back from the dead don’t you when you don’t succeed in blackmailing:
Ian Brotherhood,
11 February, 2017 at 12:59 am
“Rock and his supporters are – successfully – choking the life out of creative, informative discourse on this site.
No more appealing to Rev, or anyone else – I’m out.”
It’s still Friday 13th!
We’re getting messages from the grave!!
Rock (19th May – “Becoming the squirrel”):
“Unfortunately, more than 20% of the voting public in Scotland remains stupid enough to vote for Labour.”
Thepnr (aka Alex Clark),
“Just thought I should mention I think Labour in Scotland will be lucky if they get 15% of the vote in this GE. Hopefully less.”
schrodingers cat,
“full scot poll
SNP 42% (+1)
Conservatives 29% (+1)
Labour 19% (+1)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)”
Rock,
“I hope Thepnr is right and the poll is wrong.”
Mark Steel was at least funny in his take-off of Paisley residents distancing themselves from Glasgow. But the rest of the panel, and the presenter, were the usual 10 a penny rent-a-jeer numpties we have come to expect.
I really love satire, who doesn’t but that’s the point about BBC satire, there is none at all. They’ve either run out of Oxbridge talent completely or there never was any Oxbridge talent to start with.
Steel wasn’t funny tonight but he can be and he’s not Oxbridge. News Quiz used to be really funny too.
It just goes to show, three and half thousand million quid a year only buys you progs about cakes, total rip offs of US tv, and mountains and mountains of vote tory britnat propaganda.
It makes me long for a Scottish broadcaster all the more and when this does happen, its got have NO progs about cakes, or tattoos, or how to buy a run down house and do it up and then sell it for much more than you bought if for…
The Strepsil gag was really funny though. Bravo to whoever came up with it!
Wow…he actually has a file on yous that he can handpick comments from any period, place them in a current thread out of the context and time era that they were said. No one in Rock’s tiny brained universe can have a change of heart, he utilises posters’ past comments to somehow insinuate that because their position may have altered on any given subject that that will somehow undermine’s their credibility.
What he fails to realise is that we see it for what it is. A raving nutjob copying and pasting comments and using them as ammo to bully and intimidate posters on this site.
And that is the reality Rock. Snide, rotten to the core, and a guy with a big chip on his shoulder and who holds a grudge and feeds that grudge, clearly ‘daily’ by copying comments that he can attack said poster with in the future.
There is something seriously not right about this conduct on this site Rev. I wish to fuck you would address this stalking behaviour from him once and for all. It’s awful to have this weird guy stalking posters and willy nilly attacking them in this manner on a daily basis.
End.
Anyone who would like to know the pseudonyms of WOS-botherers should ask ‘Rock’ now, to give us the details, before he finally clocks-out from his duties here – he has files on all of us!
Seriously – he’s very particular about such stuff!
Intchya, Rock?
heedtracker @ 23:10,
Personally, I have long found those supposed “humourous” BBC panel shows lacking in anything except lame cynical whinging. Evidence of the deeply etiolated state of both humour and social consciousness in the members of the English Establishment.
Was it not Iannucci who said that satire is dead because politics in the UK is already beyond satire?
But still, as someone recently said, we really, really could use Spitting Image right now.
Tom
Pride has Sussex out the “Plan”
link to tompride.wordpress.com
Sussex = Sussed bloody predictive text 🙁
The opposite of evolution:
Keir Hardie, Ramsay MacDonald (warning alarms ringing), John Smith (Lord Snooty), Donald Dewar (dreary ditto!), Henry McLeish (forgot him), Jack McConnell (what exactly do you do?), Wendy Alexander (drain off M8. tinkle), Johann Lamont (Comedy Curran’s pal), James Murphy (manly costumes model), Kezia Dugdale (doing a Jackie Bailey as we speak), Anas Sarwar/The Other Guy (QED).
galamcennalath says:
13 October, 2017 at 10:51 pm
” Jeremy Corbyn is to warn in a major speech as he claims the pro-Brexit wing of the Conservative party is actively seeking a no-deal outcome to turn the UK into a “deregulated tax haven”. “ – The Independent
Doh? Where has he been? Not exactly a revelation!
FFS, Of course that is their objective. Always has been.
……………………..
If the report on CH4 news tonight is correct then the process of deregulation has already started. According to the report rules relating to stock market listings are to be ‘relaxed’ to allow the Saudi Oil Company to be listed, or part of it anyway. Worth a lot of money – naturally.
Mike Cassidy at 1057 pm:
Scary to think that Dick Hawk-Monitor is alowed to visit Michel Barnier unsupervised.
Legerwood at 11.37 pm:
Give Corbyn a break! He’s been occupied trying to get the Shah of Iran extradited to Tehran.
heedtracker @ 10.33
But Sturgeon’s Strepsils gag really got up the noses of those tory beeb gimps. Its worth a listen if you want to hear angry beeb tories trying to not sound angry, on a comedy show too.
…………
Wonder what the reaction would have been if she had held up a packet of “Fisherman’s Friends Extra Strong Lozenges”?
Greannach says:
13 October, 2017 at 11:35 pm
The opposite of evolution
Pity James Kelly wasn’t standing for leadership or we might have found ‘the missing link’.
Hello Darlings – whats the topic for tonight cos lots of lovely new folk might well be around.
In ‘Leonard’s bid hit by local party backing opponent Sarwar’ in the National, take note of the following.
‘Sarwar got off to a poor start last month ….. but allies say he’s making progress due to policies announced this week, including a commitment to support permanent membership of the European single market and his pro-Union constitutional stance (as does Leonard).
A spokesman for Sarwar said, “Anas is the only candidate who has put forward radical new policies including a Scottish Child Tax Credit to lift 50,000 children out of poverty, using Holyrood’s powers to reverse Tory cuts to the sick and disabled and a guaranteed job, training place or education for every school leaver. He has also set out a clear position on permanent UK membership, which is a clear dividing line in this contest.”
This is what seemingly accounts for his anti-establishment stance. Sarwar is conning Labour supporters into thinking that he’s going to do something about Scotland being dragged out of the single market whilst his boss et al in London are committed to doing so.
Then he’s going to do something to help lift 50,000 children out of poverty whilst his family’s company has been making millions in profits, which includes Sarwar of course, by ripping their workers off (some with kids no doubt) and as his party at Westminster have supported Tory austerity cuts.
Holyrood’s powers? The powers that his party ensured would be critically limited. A guaranteed job? No mention of rate of pay? As to job, training and / or education for every school leaver well the SNP have that well in hand already as statistics show.
Instead of Sarwar, herald of the working classes, bequeathing 4 million to his kids he could have donated some of that money to charity, foodbanks or whatever. In fact he could probably lift 50,000 children out of poverty overnight by having a whip-round amongst his billionaire / millionaire friends, including his crony that has been defrauding HMRC, big time, as reported in the Herald.
Well I hope he does win and we go on to see Nicola make mincemeat out of him.
@Petra
I think he will win and I wish him the best of British 🙂
@ Lenny at 11:32pm …”Theresa May being sheparded to a hard Brexit….”
Interesting Lenny, especially in light of what we’ve heard about ‘dark money’, used to promote Brexit, being donated to the DUP in NIreland.
You can see why such people want to destroy the EU. MEGA BUCKS, trillions, to be made at our expense.
K1 Amen to that !! = )
Paula Rose 🙂 Hello Darling! Things that make us laugh. Mr Sarwar wins today =)
Petra @ 12.25 am
‘Well I hope he does win and we go on to see Nicola making mincemeat out of him.’ 🙂 Now THAT will be entertaining =)
I still believe in Karma, these rich barstewards that steal from the poor will get whats for them, If they would only feel the hurt they are doing. IF only; our world were ruled by the poor and not the rich, what a wonderful world it would be…..cue a song Cactus. 😉
Kezia to jump ship if Leonard wins
Ooohoohoo!
Worth reading.
link to thenational.scot
Having forked out £xx on on Apple device. Not going to fork out £xx amount on another, just to avoid their goolgegook. Only got a limited amount to spend keeping up there tax evaded profits. In fact as little as possible. That is their cunning plan manufacture rubbish. Then it goes obsolete far too quick. Everyone has to fork out for another. They make sure the older one does not work. Upgrading some systems but leaving others behind. The only choice to fork out again. These multibillionaires need their fix screwing others. While their devices are temporary attractions. Pay your taxes. You bunch of maniacs.
@Big Phil 1:51
“There’s enough money in the world for all the poor people, but there’s not enough money in the world for all the rich people”
To be fair it matters not a jot. Whichever wins the other will fade to obscurity, well maybe not Anas, he is the proverbial bad penny. They will last 1-2 years tops and the race for a new (leader) donkey will start again
#AnAss4Leader
http://www.theeuropean-magazine.com/jean-claude-juncker–2/12771-state-of-the-union-jean-claude-junckers-address
“I also believe that, over the months to come, we should involve national Parliaments and civil society at national, regional and local level more in the work on the future of Europe. Over the last three years, Members of the Commission have visited national Parliaments more than 650 times. They also debated in more than 300 interactive Citizens’ Dialogues in more than 80 cities and towns across 27 Member States. But we can still do more. This is why I support President Macron’s idea of organising democratic conventions across Europe in 2018”…
I too support President Macron’s idea of democratic conventions across Europe. What are the chances of getting one of such conventions set up in Scotland? Let’s go for it. A massive convention. Something along the lines of the Festival of Journalism I have mentioned repeatedly, which brings the EU debate, EU leaders and personalities, and European news media to Scotland so we have a chance to circumvent the rancid UK media and control our own narrative in the months before our Nation’s fate is decided…
J C Juncker makes a long and wide ranging speech full of aspirations for progress. He barely mentions Brexit at all. It is only the UK who is vexed by Brexit. Europe already has its eyes on other things. Brexit is just some unpleasantness to be navigated. I hope with all my heart that Scotland remains on board and engaged with the great European project, because otherwise we are part of the UK project for isolation and economic divergence.
It’s not about the economic issues, although they are very important, it’s the sense I have that the EU is only just getting started. In terms of our collective internationalism, this family of European nations has only just begun. I am sick and tired of our cynical poor excuse for media which sees every facet of European success as a threat.
It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we seek European citizenship. We are kindred, and Scotland belongs there.
If we commit ourselves to Europe, they will help us to grow and be wealthy in all things, not just money, but culture, language, diet, welfare, humanity and wellbeing. The Brexit reasons for leaving the EU are toxic, narrow minded, insular and xenophobic.
Scotland will flourish and thrive once free and sovereign in Europe, or we shall suffocate and stagnate, imprisoned in a joyless, colourless, United Kingdom, doped to eyeballs on BBC miasma and 19th Century values.
“Nae Rubens ee day?”
In the words of the Rev
“Slacker Cairns on hols again”. Smiley thing
No doubt next week will be another beaut.
Enjoy yer hols Chris.
Ken500 says:
14 October, 2017 at 7:25 am
“Having forked out £xx on on Apple device. Not going to fork out £xx amount on another, just to avoid their goolgegook. Only got a limited amount to spend keeping up there tax evaded profits. In fact as little as possible. That is their cunning plan manufacture rubbish. Then it goes obsolete far too quick. Everyone has to fork out for another. They make sure the older one does not work. Upgrading some systems but leaving others behind. The only choice to fork out again. These multibillionaires need their fix screwing others. While their devices are temporary attractions. Pay your taxes. You bunch of maniacs.”
I find it odd that people who are independence and freedom minded such as posters on here choose to to be manipulated and incarcerated inside the jail that is Apples ecosystem
free yourselves
Petra says:
13 October, 2017 at 4:18 pm
Ooops that didn’t work! Check out the article / video.
link to jenkers.com
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Can a man who has clearly divided loyalties, his heart is in Pakistan (or so it appears from the link) and his loyalties lie with self, then Labour, then Westminster, ever do justice to serving Scotland and its people with 100% of his focus and efforts?
Probably not. It all depends on how serious he is about doing his best for the people of Scotland and not Self, Party, Westminster (England) and Lahore (Pakistan) above Scotland and its people. He refered to those in Pakistan as his brothers, not brothers and sisters, so maybe a wee bit of misogyny? It might be a cultural thing in the expat Pakistani community to only refer to men, I don’t know.
More news from perfidious Albion.
“James Chapman, a former aide to David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, claimed the department had undertaken such analysis, which showed Scotland and the North-East of England would be worst hit by leaving the EU”.
@Mark Poster
Apparently there are 50 reports being kept secret regarding the impact of Brexaster.
link to archive.is
Hope Davis is forced to release, especially the Scotland one,
@ Lenny Hartley. 11.32pm
Thanks for that link.
I have been reading the name Legatum for weeks on Twitter, so had a rough idea but that link provides the ties and motivation.
Absolutely disgusting. Just so sickened at the way things are going.
Even if we get our independence, it’s not in our interests to Border some kind of 3rd world country, apart from the human misery.
“…analysis, which showed Scotland and the North-East of England would be worst hit by leaving the EU”.
Another Mad Tory reason for Treeza going for her flounce out.
Deeply concerned about Ian Brotherhood’s equation of Richard Leonard with Kenneth Williams. Stick a pair on National Healths on Tricky Dicky and I reckon he could be the new Charles Hawtrey.
In any case, what larks when either Anas or TD gets gralloched weekly at FMQs by Nicola, and all air-brushed out by BBC Shortbread.
Tackety Beets: groovy gravatar. New? The Lord Lyon will be impressed!
I wonder if the ’50 secret reports’ have the name McCrone anywhere about them, and will it be another thirty year wait for release??
Truly perfidious albion, imho!
Valerie says:
Yes, just read that link from Lenny Hartley.
That is what Brexit has always been all about. It’s why UKIP was created and promoted. It’s why UKIP has now been swallowed into the Tory party.
“… get more lucrative UK government contracts unhindered by those pesky EU regulations on environmental protection and workplace rights such as rules relating to hazardous waste and pollution and statutory rights such as maternity and sickness leave, minimum wages etc etc “
To get the notion of Brexit into popular thinking, it has been promoted as being about “taking back control” and “controlling immigration” and millions of sad suckers have fallen for it.
IF, by some unlikely chance, the UK ends up with a soft Brexit, Norway style for instance, then this is completely at odds with what the Brexiteers actually want. The pressure will continue on May et al to make sure they get the hard Brexit they dream of.
And as you say, even after Indy, we will have a madhouse on our border!
To get the News in Scotland, I use the following rule.
From the headlines I read the complete opposite, that way it will be more correct than not.
Try this out with my made up headlines, clue only one is correct. Can I now work in the media in Scotland.
Scotland does not want independence, Scotland is running out of oil, Scotland heath care bad, Vote YES.
@Breeks 08.17
Superb commentary on Europe.
Once the Britnats are out Europe shall thrive. They have been totally uncooperative in all things European…. the nature of the beast.
@Ian Brotherhood says: 13 October, 2017 at 8:06 pm:
“but I really wouldn’t want to finger anyone like that.”
Me neither – not even with someone else’s finger.
What is interesting about the 50 secret reports on the effects of Brexit, and the new ‘suggestion’ that Scotland and the NE England would be worst hit is the complete silence from the Civil Service who compile these reports.
If someone don’t leak them then they are all complicit in the result. Ministers don’t do all this themselves.
SNP MPs in Westminster and Holyrood MSPs must keep hammering away at Westminster’s refusal to publish these findings about the detrimental effect Westminster’s brexit will have on Scotland.
Then again what’s to stop britnat Westminster from deliberately falsifying these figures to make brexit look less bad? It’s not as if they’ve never done that before.
Either way it’s more proof of britnat scumdumbery.
Lenny Hartley, Valerie…the deregulation has already begun. Channel 4 news last night reporting how FCA have bent the rules to allow Saudi oil company Aramco onto the London stock exchange. The company has *assets* of £1.5Trillion. Sorry I can’t provide a link, you can watch the article on CH4 website.
O/T.
AUOB.
I’m looking forward to Scotland’s Independence movement bringing Glasgow’s George square and surrounding streets to a standstill after Marching for Independence in our Tens or even Hundreds of Thousands on the 5th May next year…
Get that date in your diaries, the Rally will go ahead with or without GCC permissions .
@Ronnie Anderson –
Noted!
😉
Every one of us has been stomped on by London all of our lives and they’re still doing it, but Scotland has gotten so used to complaining then shrugging it’s shoulders and blaming the nearest politician for the problem then voting in another one of exactly the same ilk as the last one
The SNP are now at the stage where they almost have to spread gold on the streets to get folks attention and even then the apathy (a force which is strong in Scotland) continues until the point where time, being the friend of Westminster might see a return to Scotlands old habit of voting in the next guy who was the original cause of the original misery
And round we go again
Nicola Sturgeon and her team can’t run the country for everybody and protest against the half who don’t vote for her at the same time
I’ll do the old Scottish mantra *Sumdys goaty dae sumthin*
We need a Yes movement leader and coordinator and we need that person yesterday, a media savvy strong willed known person willing to step in and lead the campaign because left to it’s own devices the movement will be in too many little pieces instead of one big driving force impossible to ignore
I’m going to be old fashioned and say that person must be a respected surprise to the opposition and as non political as possible with just one focus, to wake and shake the people of Scotland up and drive home the importance and
The reason and imperative of Independence
” David Davis’s department has refused to say whether it has analysed the impact of Brexit on Britain’s regions because doing so could provoke a “reactionary” response that could damage the economy. “
That, to me, suggests the analysis looks bad if simply a reaction/response to it could precipitate damage.
link to archive.is
All sorts of Brexit information and reports dribbling out now, or in some cases being kept secret.
Should all of this not been collated and released BEFORE EURef so voters could have made an informed decision!?
John Dickson @ 07:58,
Yes, I wonder about that too. It’s not as though they’ve got a huge number of MSPs to get through anyway. Eventually they’ll end up with James Kelly and by then everyone and their dog will know that it’s all over for NorthBritLab.
Their problem isn’t in their leader, really, it’s in their blind dogmatic opposition to independence. (Well, even to any significant degree of autonomy.) And the Tories do that thing better.
Agree with Dr Jim. The person to lead the Yes campaign must also be a real orator(not just a good speaker), have leadership qualities and show unwavering belief in independence. A sort of Billy Graham type without the religion or dare I say it a Tony Blair type without the baggage.
Unfortunately I cannot think of anyone on the current scene who has these qualities and would be listened to by all sides.
Surely that roaster Dr Fox is going to make everything alright?
link to independent.co.uk
Oh no, another terrible Scottish burden of natural resources being worth rather a lot. Pool and share, as the yoons like to say.
link to bloomberg.com
“The person leading a Yes campaign must be a real orator not just a good speaker.”
Not necessarily so.
I half-agree. What the good speaker needs (see my essay here on Sturgeon) is a good speech doctor who can compose memorable phrases that hold meaning for us all and insert them into the speaker’s text. Although someone who has the ability to do both is the ideal. But we have had decades of our best going south.
Your weekend Reading:
Sturgeon hits the ground running: link to wp.me
Car buyers cheated again: link to wp.me
Footsoldier @ 11:37,
Actually, I believe the very person you want is Jeane Freeman.
Her only disadvantage is that she is now a politician, and currently a government minister piloting through a major welfare reform. (But that presumably won’t last for ever.)
Brian Cox? World-famous actor. Dundonian. Former Labour supporter. Powerful presence.
I don’t know about his tax situation though. Don’t know if he’s still on voters’ roll. [These could be fixed.]
The only country in the entire world claiming Brexit is good is England and yet in Scotland where we have the option NOT to do it folk are saying *Eh well mibbees eh it’ll be awright let’s wait and see eh*
Re sentence 1: The only country in the entire world
Am I facing the right way when I say this stuff, is Scotland too busy looking at their phones while they’re driving, do we have to put it on dominoes pizzas as a topping so’s NO voters’ll notice
Here’s an idea we’ve got some football clubs who aren’t bampots gonnae just put up some advertising banners or print it on yer tickets *Brexit is nuts yer bein conned* *AGAIN*
Bus companies, get it on the side of yer buses
SNP councils pit it on bus shelters
Even though we know Unionist parties have said they’re against Brexit too they’ll do nuthin to help Scotland because their allegiances lie elsewhere, along with their careers
This can’t be against the law surely because it’s supposed to be a constitutional issue not a party political one
Print posters and stick them in yer windae *Brexit is nuts*
NO voters, stop blaming Nicola Sturgeon for stuff your own party leaders campaigned along side her for and voted against just like her
The FM didnae cause and disnae want Brexit and some of you should remember that you didnae want it either, so she’s trying to do what you people voted for for pity’s sake
Ach!
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“David Davis’s department has refused to say whether it has analysed the impact of Brexit on Britain’s regions because doing so could provoke a “reactionary” response that could CAUSE INDEPENDENCE FOR SCOTLAND.
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There, fixed it…!
More info from Molly Scott Cato, Green MEP, on the secret reports and how they plan to force their release …
(Independent doesn’t archive well. Some of the text near the top, most near bottom. All text is there. )
link to archive.is
geeo says:
This is the Brexit elephant in the room.
Crap Brexit -> IndyRef2 -> NO UK
Everyone knows it, even if the Yoonery won’t openly admit it.
What it comes down to is …. Are they feeling lucky? Just how much risk with their beloved UKOK are they willing to take with Brexit? The chances of the UK surviving a hard/no-deal Brexit seem poor.
@Footsoldier says: 14 October, 2017 at 11:37 am:
“Agree with Dr Jim. The person to lead the Yes campaign must also be”
A real orator(not just a good speaker): Check and ticked.
Have leadership qualities and show unwavering belief in independence: Check and ticked.
A sort of Billy Graham type without the religion or dare I say it a Tony Blair type without the baggage:Check and ticked.
Unfortunately I cannot think of anyone on the current scene who has these qualities:
Now correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t there one of those already?
Isn’t she a weel kent person?
Has she not just delivered a really inspirational speech to a very large live audience and to an even larger one on-line?
Has she not also made a great many such inspirational speeches?
I believe they call her the First Minister and I believe her name is Nicola Sturgeon.
That suggests to me that the only reason we are not already an independent nation is NOT because of her inspirational qualities but in spite of them.
Let us not put the cairt afore the cuddy.
The problem of not gaining independence is obviously not due to the actual message nor to its quality of delivery.
It lies in the many artificial restrictions deliberately placed upon the messages being propagation by a bought and paid for corrupt Westminster media that Westminster has the temerity to actually charge a licence fee for. Thus they make unaware and ignorant Scottish tax payers pay to have such vile propaganda piped directly into their homes where it is absorbed, by an often all too willing unionist minded, low mentality, section of the electorate.
Is there another country in the World, besides North Korea, that would put up with such treatment?
Even in the case of North Korea the people have a ready excuse as there is much openly applied force by the North Korean dictatorship and very large military.
What then is Scotland’s excuse?
“Where ignorance is bliss, ‘Tis folly to be wise.”
Thomas Grey – English Poet, (Born December 26, 1716 – died June 30, 1771).
Grouse beater
Tried to leave a comment on your article, ‘Sturgeon hits the ground running’, but for some reason it wouldn’t post, although I used my Facebook account.
The comment was:
Mhairi Black was correct in her assessment of Corbyn. It should be remembered that a politician doesn’t survive in the main parties in Westminster by being radical.
And I don’t want to stay joined to a country that would produce Brexit, no matter what ‘deal’ is produced.
And I don’t want to be a ‘second hand country’ run by somebody else as an afterthought, and a resource of looted revenue and people.
@galamcennalath
I just can’t get my head around what is going on in May, Johnson, Fox and Davis’s minds. They KNOW what the effect of Brexit will be to the UK economy. The studies they refuse to release will show this and it cannot be good.
I can only draw the conclusion that they’re all mental cases.
galamcennalath @ 12:52,
That’s a great initiative. I can’t say how likely it is to get anywhere, but at least it brings the issue right up there into the public’s attention.
I just wish the SG was more proactive along such lines. Getting onto the front foot far more.
link to sociologyguide.com
the times
mr. £2.75 taxi , miles briggs – rent a quote today
Several SNP ministers were picked up from the party’s manifesto launch in Perth on May 30 in a publicly funded motorcade. The ministerial code states that “ministers must not use public resources for party political purposes”.
Critics said the use of the fleet, which costs the taxpayer £1 million a year, was a breach of the rules. Scottish Labour is calling for an investigation.
Miles Briggs, Conservative MSP, said: “The public will be deeply uncomfortable at the idea of eight ministers swanning out of a party political event and into a taxpayer-funded car.” A government spokeswoman said: “[They] travelled to a variety of ministerial engagements.”
Would Angus Robertson not make a good leader of Yes campaign,
well respected even by yoons,
calm under yoon media interrogation,
we need someone to persuade 6% soft No`s someone with gravitas,
out of a job,
perfect fit.
Brain Powel: “The comment was…”
Sorry you couldn’t manage to get your comments to go through. I hope you’re not the general rule – I enjoy replies. Try again. I’d like to find out the problem.
With what you post here, yes, I agree wholeheartedly. And the English I meet these days, two Geordie police officers and one AA car relay driver yesterday, also agree.
Actually, Brian, it has been published.
Alex Clark says:
Fox would be elated by a very hard Brexit. So he’s a mental case for sure.
The other three? What is it they actually want from Brexit, it’s hard to make out?
If they do want no deal or controlled hard exit, then they must be mental!
Every indication is that full single market and customs union are out for this group of Tories. The EU say the five aspects of the single market cannot be cherry picked – I believe they will stick with that line. The EU cannot allow the UK to leave under favourable circumstances. However, it is possible some members of the Tory government don’t believe this and hold out hope that they will be free market access with few obligations. IMO that makes them incompetently naive rather than mental!
Alex Clark says @ 14 October, 2017 at 1:23 pm
Yes they have got themselves in a situation where they are completely out of their depth but I’m not sure describing them as mental cases is correct.
There may be the reason that they are desperately clinging onto the only career available to them and will do anything to keep that, not to mention exiting with enough credibility for their next one i.e. House of Lords, private sector directorships as well as the usual speech circuit.
There is also the possibility, although can never be confirmed, that they or their partners have investments that benefits from a hard Brexit?
@Pacman
Maybe “mental cases” was a bit harsh. Not as harsh though as how the Tories treat ordinary mortals.
Lizard people from another planet, no compassion, no thoughts on the damage they do with their policies that result in suicide by those told they are fit to work or disabled being evicted because they have an empty bedroom and can’t afford the rent.
This government is the most despicable I’ve ever known and deserve all the pelters they get.
Yes, I agree. We need a formal civil leadership for the YES movement at this point. A board of well known and respected faces as leadership to provide direction and at its head not just a good speaker. Not just a good orator, but a thinker. Someone respected in both public and political life, not just for their words and presence, but for their actions and intelligence. They’re going to have to stand toe to toe with the UK’s media and politicians and that’s no small task, but that is why a board and not just an individual.
They’ll need serious weight back up from all walks of public life to do the job justice.
A big ask for a big job.
The most obvious problem with contemporary British nationalism, apart from the democratic deficit that Scotland experiences as a result the Acts of Union, is the paradigm of neo-liberal political economy adopted by Westminster and Whitehall.
link to futurelens.com
re yes leader
I’m not sure why we need a leader or how he/she could be chosen.
see the latest attempt (sic) floundering due to lack of support.
the idea that the various yes/indy groups will all join hands and sing kumbaya is for the birds
I reckon the attitude we are seeing re. Brexit, has a lot to do with “post-colonial melancholia” and the ethnocentric sense of exceptionalism embedded in British culture.
link to politicsandculture.org
Macart says:
… and others
In order to back foot the Yoon media, IMO YES2 should be disconnected from the SNP, be a ‘board’ as you suggest, and not rely on one figure head.
It is crucial to move the debate away from past Scottish Government / SNP performance.
A board of six men and six women, with one or two from the SNP and one from the Greens. And perhaps a joint chair with one man, one woman. Maybe even rotate the chair. Everyone savvy with the media. Everyone articulate, calm, and presentable. Several members from the online community. Business, academia, medicine – a wide civic cross section.
Trying to avoid same-old would be good. It shouldn’t be a rerun of IndyRef1.
Angus Robertson good. Lesley Riddoch good. Jean Freeman good. Paul Kavanagh good.
Alex Clark @ 14 October, 2017 at 2:17 pm
‘Mental case’ to me is those individuals down the local boozer, the only thing in their lives is booze, causing mayhem and not caring of the implications of their actions. It’s caused mostly by lack of opportunities, to a point not afforded to them due to circumstances but mostly caused by their own shall she say volatile personalities.
That doesn’t apply to Tories, especially to the ones you described. They got to the positions they in because they are intelligent, driven, ruthless, and fully aware of what they are doing. Of course it does help for them to be brought up and continue to live in a world that never experiences recession, the insecurity and lack of control over your future where you could be one step from the street.
As the saying goes, Cui bono? or Who benefits? There is no way that it can be proved until a future date but there is no doubt they know fully what they are doing and stand to benefit from it, even though it is disastrous for the rest of us.
“Great orator required”. Further to the responses to my earlier suggestion for heading up the independence campaign, various names were suggested including the First Minister but she has baggage, she leads the SNP. Sure I heard her speech at conference earlier this week but no doubt how good she and other speakers are, they remain good speakers not great orators. At the 2014 referendum, Blair Jenkins was quite a good speaker but not at all forceful in his delivery and certainly not a great orator.
Jeane Freeman had great potential but she too now has baggage being an SNP minister.
Looking at the great orators of history, they all had one thing in common; their vision and self-belief. Once this “great orator” is found, he or she can sell the message and the SNP can be the vehicle to deliver it.
There is however one problem about great orators, their single-mindedness tends to make them a pain in the neck.
schrodingers cat says:
14 October, 2017 at 2:46 pm
re yes leader
“I’m not sure why we need a leader or how he/she could be chosen.
see the latest attempt (sic) floundering due to lack of support.
the idea that the various yes/indy groups will all join hands and sing kumbaya is for the birds”
Ok let’s see if I’ve got this right. You appear to be suggesting that there’s no chance of the Yes movement ever being able to unify sufficiently in order to use its not inconsiderable but currently dormant clout to focus on and spread the facts about Scotland’s true plight in the union to the wider public.
Ok maybe I’ll follow your advice and just give up.
clipper
no, once indyref2 is announced, these groups will organise themselves, same as last time and now.
no one is giving up, i merely asked what such a leader is for?
why do we need one and how would we go about choosing one?
clipper
“there’s no chance of the Yes movement ever being able to unify sufficiently in order to use its not inconsiderable but currently dormant clout to focus on and spread the facts about Scotland’s true plight in the union to the wider public.”
the yes movement already does spread the issue to the wider public, why would electing a leader change that? why do we need a leader to do what we already do?
i seem to remember blair jenkins saying in 2013 that he had lost control of the yes movement, it had a power of its own.
thats because it is a true grass roots movement
Re. singing kumbaya around the Yes campfires.
link to publishing.cdlib.org
Re YES spokes persons.
Mahri Black, Alex Salmond and Johanna Cherry.
Passion experience and intellect, with a bit of humour thrown in. What a force?!
And there’s the difference between England and Scotland
In England they could put up a plate of soup as a leader and the whole of England would get behind that plate of soup and go to war for it
In Scotland we argue about the process of what flavour of person we might like and by then the English plate of soup wins
There’s definitely some benefit in being stupid look how well England does
The keep beating us don’t they and we’re supposed to be smarter than them
Check what England’s got as leaders, A refugee woman from a Macbeth play and a verging on senility Che Guevara Prosecco drinker, and both on record as gigantic obvious proven incompetent liars that the rest of the world laughs at
and yet we can’t wipe the floor with this garbage?
Something smells fishy in the state of Scotland
Quick question, why wasn’t Angus Robertson made a Privy councillor when he was in charge and why and when did we adopt the policy of accepting this dubious honour anyway that was only previously forced upon our First Ministers in post and not group leaders
CameronB Brodie
there is a difference in what i believe scotland could do once independent and the tactics i believe we should use to win indyref2. eg, i am a big eu supporter but believe we should tie efta membership to indyref2, not eu membership
also, it is said that humans only use a ninth of their brain’s capacity…….i wonder what we do with the other third? 🙂
Footsoldier says:
Jeane Freeman had great potential but she too now has baggage being an SNP minister.
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jeanne gave brillo a real roasting on the daily politics, the best performance during indyref1. she wasnt part of yes scotland, she was representing WFI
with or without a yes2 leader/group, people will come forward to promote yes during indyref2, indeed, they already do
What frogesque says!
@Dr Jim
Angus Robertson was made a privy councillor in Sep 2015.
schrodingers cat
That would be telling. 😉
Seriously though, differential consciousness is a powerful and healthy disposition that’s kind of suited to our cause.
Humans use 10% of brain capacity at any one time not a fixed portion of the brain with the rest dormant
Strangely enough dolphins us as near as can be assessed 11% and the only animal which exceeds us
Maybe we should have a dolphin in charge of the Yes movement
they’re friendly streamlined efficient and very focussed and the most excellent communicators on the planet
And you never see them disagree in public
Robert Peffers @1.09 and others – not aimed at anyone just setting out my views on the idea
Re person to lead the Indy 2 campaign.
I totally agree that we have someone – i.e. Nicola Sturgeon who ticks all the boxes to lead us into the next referendum but she herself has told us- the people – to get on with the cause; effectively while she gets on with government and with building the foundations of our future independent nation i.e. the investment bank, the new power company.
I think that the time has come where there has to be a two-pronged attack – if for no other reason than to confuse ‘ the enemy’.
Just now, if it is all led by the SNP then there is only one body responsible for events and they have to take ALL the flack. Net result is that for even a small matter, Unionists can quickly escalate their grievance into a full on chastisement of the Scottish Government and effectively double their effect.
If we have more than one target, our Government can get on with governing, whilst the separate ‘Independence Committee’ can also get on with their agenda but Unionist will have to think about which of us they mean to attack, effectively weakening their blows.
E.g.If a business or company was hesitating to invest, out of fear for Indy, they can blame the Indy movement for causing the uncertainty but they can’t then turn round and trash the Scottish Government for creating that situation without it seeming like they have an obvious agenda. ( which we know they have! ). If the Scottish Government concentrates on promoting Indy that will unleash a ferocious attack from the MSM and Unionists and they will be accused of ignoring all else before the altar of independence.
We would effectively be providing a decoy but at the same time building momentum within the people so that when the FM thinks the time is right, she can discuss the referendum with WM and show that it is also the clear will of the people – despite what tRuthless whispers in Treesa’s ear. Let’s not forget, there are people out there who want Indy but are put off by the SNP so it could be productive to build the Indy movement as cross party- after all , post Indy will be a completely new scene.
Consider the way the SNP dealt with the fracking issue. Initially they chose a moratorium since to legislate against fracking would have left them open to a challenge in the courts and possible defeat, paving the way for all-out fracking.
Likewise with Indy- following on from the GE in June, Nicola and her team have been quietly going about the business of running Scotland and shoring things up against the Brexit cock-up which is careering towards us. The ‘opposition’ is confused because the SNP seems to have cooled down over indy leaving them to have to think about how they can bash Scotland since they can’t just jump into ‘Project Fear 2’ without it seeming too obvious.
I posted on this website shortly after the GE that a possible way forward now was to use the talent of all the SNP MP’s who had lost their seats, Angus, Tasmina, Patrick Grady , Alex Salmond and others (who might have time on their hands) to come together and lead a separate flank into the battle or Indy and was roundly chased for undermining the SNP.
I really don’t see this as undermining the SNP, and I speak as a member. I think the time is now to build the momentum within the people. We will not have much time to campaign when the actual call comes and we need to be spreading the truth now to counteract the mass of lies being spouted through all the media.
Apologies for such a long post but I really think this is the way forward.
@yesindyref2
I stand most humbly corrected and consider myself thick for not knowing that
I thank you
So is Ian Blackford a privy counsellor
link to en.wikipedia.org
Dr Jim says:
Maybe we should have a dolphin in charge of the Yes movement
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that gets my vote, how about a new slogan?
“so long and thanks for all the fish” 🙂
I see (in the National) that Ben MacPherson SNP has challenged (one of many people to do so over the years) Hammond to scrap the discriminatory Scottish VAT charges of £35 million a year, backdated of course to around £140 million. This comes after Westminster changed the rules to allow Highways England and Academy schools to reclaim their VAT bills. Removing the charge would allow Police Scotland to cover its entire £21.1m deficit – and leave some cash to spare.
The decision made by the Tories leaves our emergency services at a real disadvantage. Strange don’t you think that while T May bleats on about the security of the country she’s happy to see us out on a limb, no doubt raging that as she’s cut 20,000 + jobs in England Nicola has managed to maintain numbers. Just another example of them not giving a sh*t about the Scots.
Seemingly the 13 Tory MPS have also just written to Hammond. Will we find that this will be resolved now, in the near future, with Davidson taking the credit? See what the Mooth can do versus the SNP?
@Dr Jim
I used to think it was a privileged position but then they appointed Ruth Davidson as one 🙂
Alas mr Sarwar, you are so establishment, the old, decaying, corrupt, Scotland betraying one.
Alex Clark says:
14 October, 2017 at 1:23 pm
@galamcennalath
‘I just can’t get my head around what is going on in May, Johnson, Fox and Davis’s minds. They KNOW what the effect of Brexit will be to the UK economy. The studies they refuse to release will show this and it cannot be good.’
They are what I would call neo con Anglo Nationalists.
When Mrs May said ‘Britain has never felt part of the EU’ in Florence she was talking about they and their ilk.
Euro and Xenophobic,they can still get even richer by deregulating UK and allowing US companies free access(Liam Fox/Atlantic Bridge etc).
Just some corrupt politicians who can get rich while their country burns.
Fraid I don’t agree on Sturgeon as heid bummer for Indyref2. If she wasn’t the FM or a politician then she would be excellent. Gramsci said that for revolution to succeed it had to be driven from the grassroutes not the top of the pyramid down. Make no mistake if we are to win Indyref2 it has to be a peacefull revolution. Somebody what Sillars was 30 years ok would be ideal, pity Sheridan has picked up so much baggage or maybe that is why he has picked up so much baggage.
I think that The Wee Ginger Dug can inspire and is a good public speaker , but for sure it needs to be driven from the Grass Routes.
With news of Scotland been worst hit via Brexit suddenly Ms Davidson’s RECENT very very very late intervention on her concerns re Brexit now makes such political sense as to why she chose to break ranks with HQ on this.
Seems to me she knew fine well that this Brexit shit was going to hit the fan harder in the direction of Scotland and she was trying to ensure she would be protected by coming out very very very late to err on caution.
Shut…stable..door..after…horse…bolted…springs to mind.
However she is very much tarnished as tis her party running the Brexit circus , she supported Brexit after result last June and she actively prevented Scotland from achieving an escape route from the disaster that is Brexit by siding with her party in seemingly DENYING Scotland another Indy vote….in other words ensuring we suffer the consequences of her party’s poor political decisions, planning and negotiation skills…which has resulted in Scotland sharing the burden of Brexit thanks to her allegiance to the Union.
It would seem that the Tories, with Brexit, have unleashed a beast in some citizens darn sarf and that beast is now seemingly uncontrollable . It is very very territorial and insatiable in it’s quest for total control in getting it’s country back??? …ironically the Tories just cannot seem to quell the beasts rage and impatience for immediate action. Well the Tories are certainly reaping what they have sown are they not…hell mend them.
Confucius said ” Ask an idiot a question and get an idiotic answer”………….. seems apt under the circumstances.I now laugh whenever I hear certain Brexiteers state they KNEW what they were voting for when they voted leave….best to laugh as one cannot argue or reason with an idiot.
I say let them have their Brexit because once they are truly out then that leaves the Tory party exposed to the reality of not having the EU scapegoat to blame..and for the the true realities, post Brexit, of BritNats NOT being protected by EU laws and investment, other countries potentially taking advantage of BritNat land via shit trade deals, the reality of an unleashed Tory government and thus Brexit junkies then having to just suck it up and deal with it.
Perhaps then eventually the penny MAY drop and ‘Leavers’ will learn…the hard way…that ..if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it….sure that penny has now dropped for many a Tory Lol Lol.
Sick I am of all this shit…..same arguments over and over …like being in a feckin time machine with this never feckin ending constitutional argument that we should have won long long ago ….and if Brexit don’t convince some Indy doubters then feck knows what will.
Lead…Horse…water…can’t….make….drink….now that most definitely springs to mind for proud Scots Buts !
Independence or Brexit…..seems a feckin easy choice to me !!!
@ Meg at 4:53pm …..
Spot on Meg. Excellent post however I don’t know about prior SNP politicians fronting the movement. Basically back to SNP again which many wouldn’t be happy about and could compromise the party.
I reckon we need an umbrella group like the Scottish Independence Convention (SIC) to lead the way with all Yes groups, key individuals such as our online bloggers, supporters of independence and former politicians of all parties being members. It would seem that that’s what they’re attempting to do right now. The leader, IMO, should not be a former politician, rather someone like Craig Murray or Alan Bissett.
A Tommy Sheridan type would have been ideal but the Establishment has made sure he’s been sent into ‘exile.’ I don’t know all of the ins and outs of that case other than someone made sure he was ‘shut up.’ His fault? No idea but just using him as an example.
Meanwhile we should all be targeting, bombarding, the BBC (and STV) even although we know they are inclined not to listen, lol. Send them copies of links such as from Talking up Scotland and ask why they’re not informing the Scots. Ask why we’re having to find true data online. Who knows it might make a ‘dent.’
We also need Yes premises in every City, town and village in Scotland with at the very least informative data stuck in the windows. I say that because I was talking to a couple of Tories recently who didn’t have a clue. Said they love Scotland (were genuine) and are trying to save it from people like me who don’t have a clue, lol. After half an hour or so it looked as though they were having a wee rethink and went off with a list of sites / videos to check out.