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A couple of hours off

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Because there’s really no satire we can add to this magnificent zoomery:


So we might as well pop out to the shops for a bit.

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  1. Luigi says:

    What a really daft thing to say to core supporters who voted YES (many of whom live in East Kilbride)!

    Have the Red Tories written off the 45% already?

  2. Dan Huil says:

    Labour desperation pours forth from every word.

  3. Patrician says:

    So to get independence all we have to do is return an SNP MP for East Kilbride. If it was that simple why did we go to all the bother of having a referendum.

  4. HandandShrimp says:

    My God, you can actually smell the fear of loss of expenses and privilege in that letter.

  5. Franke goes to Holyrood says:

    55.3% voted NO

  6. Macart says:


    This truly is roaring, howling lunacy at the gates.

    Complete irony bypass, never mind the outrageous and ignorant insult to YES voters who had other or in fact no party affiliations.

    Just wow, what a beezer. 😮

  7. Doug Daniel says:

    55.7% eh? Wow, he can’t even get that right. If it had been 55.7%, it would have been 44% – 56%. But it was 55.3%, so it’s 45% – 55%.

  8. Grizzle McPuss says:

    Labour-otomy: is a post-1997 neo-liberal operation that involves severing connections in the brain’s prefrontal lobe, resulting in eg Labour politicians in Scotland.

    Patients of this procedure are in many ways harmless in general, but of greater risk to themselves through their inability to stop verbally defecating and drowning in their own myopic outlook.

  9. McV says:

    Still being deceptive as well. “55.7% of those that actually voted said no to Independence for Scotland” would be a better description. But no, he’s gone off on one and decided why they voted the way they did. I’d never be that confident.

    Perhaps he’d like to offer his suggestions about what Jesus meant to say?

  10. turnip_ghost says:

    An excellent list of convincing policy ideas and commitments there. Jobn done lads, take the afternoon off.

  11. Training Day says:

    Translation: please, please, please keep me at the trough.

    One should give credit where it’s due. Hood has used the word ‘verbose’ (albeit in a grammatically innovative way) and now McCann has deployed the word ‘subjugate’.

    With their backs to to the wall, Labour come out with the eloquence for which they are renowned.

  12. gillie says:

    I wonder what the reaction would be from Michael McCann if your replaced ‘SNP’ with ‘Sinn Fein’ and ‘Scotland’ with ‘Ireland’?

    After all Labour and Sinn Fein are the best of buddies now.

  13. Martin says:

    Ironic to talk of deceit and say “55.7%” voted No, when it 55.3%

  14. Russell Chalmers says:

    Does anyone know what “the SNP does not subjugate Scotland by a deceit” even means? It makes no sense. They just open their mouths and demonstrate how hopeless they are. Let’s replace them with some MPs of quality who put their brains in gear before spouting incomprehensible rubbish.

  15. The Man in the Jar says:

    “55.7% of the public voted to stay in the union.” No they did not 55.7% of those who voted, voted to stay. I am uncertain of the exact figure but was it not 43% of the *public* that voted to stay. Usual economic with the truth Labour hate filled pish.

  16. Jimbo says:

    So all that is required is that East Kilbride return an SNP MP and Scotland will once again be independent – excellent.

    We all need to get out there canvassing in East Kilbride.

  17. Luigi says:

    Was this a specific letter to a Better Together target group, or a general letter to all his constituents? There may be some sense in the former approach, but if it is the latter, then the guy is a complete and utter imbecile.

  18. The Man in the Jar says:

    Just read DD`s comment that should be 55.3% not as I stated 55.7%

  19. Wulls says:

    Oh sweet Jesus……????????????
    I have nothing to add here.
    I will read it again in an hour when I stop laughing.

  20. Lesley-Anne says:

    Dear Mr McCann,

    The thing is you are a Labour M.P., at the present time. What ever happens in the FUTURE is completely out of YOUR hands. Therefore what ever it is that you WANT and what ever it is that you actually GET are two entirely different things.

    I learnt as a rather small child that what you want and what you get are not always the same. I would therefore suggest that you put some extremely serious thought into what you may want to do after May 7th if, as may well be the case, you are no longer an M.P.!

    Of course you may well get re-elected by your constituents provided that:

    a) they like you

    b) they believe you have done a good job

    c) you have represented them well at Westminster

    d) you have NOT let your constituents down by voting AGAINST what was in their best interest

    e) you have put your CONSTITUENTS needs ahead of your own

    f) you have put your CONSTITUENTS needs ahead of your party

    g) you have a HIGH record of attendance at Westminster

    h) you have a HIGH voting record in debates

    i) you are NOT in the list of HIGH expenses claimants

    Provided you meet these criteria Mr. McCann then I believe you may very well be in with a chance of retaining your seat. If, however, you do NOT meet these simple criteria then I’m sorry to say you will no longer be an M.P. but signing on at your local Dole office! 😀

  21. Andy Howie says:

    Just retweeted to my local SNP group, oh yes that will be the EAST KILBRIDE one 😀

  22. Donald MacKenzie says:

    What we need to know, however, is – Does rubbish like this going into the hands of constituents actually impact on their views and opinion? If it doesn’t we can see it as stupid. Frightening, but stupid. If it does, then it’s just frightening and so, so deceitful …. or should that be subjugating!?

  23. Fred says:

    What about the deceit of passing themselves off as Labour for many years?

  24. heedtracker says:

    The “and profound changes that the vote delivered” bit is pretty sneaky, presumably he means historic THE VOW fraud which turned into Lord’s Smith’s farce, which still has to be voted for in Westminster and none of it will be and so on. His old boss Crash Gordon and the Flipper, the BBC, Daily Record nutters etc raged at Scotland vote NO for devo max and a federal UKOK and we did and we got reamed, by twerps like this Slaber.

  25. scotsbob says:

    It wasn’t 55.7% it was 55.3% and it wasn’t “of the public” it was of those who actually voted.

  26. Blind Squirrel says:

    What happened to moving on and not re-running the referendum?

  27. Steve says:

    ‘Most General Elections are pretty straightforward. You pick a political party that meets your values, your principles and your aspirations.’

    Is he somehow admitting here that he knows Labour do not meet a lot of people’s values, principles or aspirations but we should vote for them anyway? I fully intend to keep it simple and vote for a party that does just that. I can absolutely confirm that it won’t be labour.

  28. robert mcdonald says:

    I’m one of his constituents and look forward to replying to his letter. Not that hell acknowledge mine because he’s not speaking to me after I asked some tricky questions.

  29. crisiscult says:

    so are we voting in indy ref 2 in May? I want to know. Please tell me Micky.

  30. manandboy says:

    Re what the Labour party believe in.

    This is the core belief of each Labour politician –
    The party is everything to me because on it, I depend for everything;
    my job, my career, my considerable income and expenses,
    my lifestyle which I could never have had outside politics,
    lifelong job security, a career path right through to retirement in the House of Lords.
    The Party only asks of me just one thing – total loyalty in all things.
    Party first, Scotland and my constituents, a distant second.

    The voters? unfortunate, but there you are, we can’t all be winners.

  31. Valerie says:

    We aren’t subjugated! We are insurgents!

    Have to agree with the above comment of ‘howling lunacy’ more people are asking if they are on drugs.

    Never interrupt your enemy when they are making an arse of themselves, seems to apply every day now. The madness is ramping up, their gravy train has pulled out of the station, and they are chasing it along the tracks.

  32. robert mcdonald says:

    Ahhh, so he doesn’t want me to vote for him because I voted YES. That won’t be a hardship.

  33. dmw42 says:

    It will come as no surprise that, on EVERY single vote in this Parliament, he voted with the Labour whip.

  34. think again says:

    Help. I need help on two counts.

    Firstly, having looked up the meaning of subjugate I sense that the term is more adequately represented by Unionism than nationalism, by Labour – party before people – than SNP. Am I mistaken?

    Secondly, the painting of Nicola by Laetitia Guilbaud springs, perhaps too readily, to mind, subliminal desire for being dominated perhaps. Can my fetish be treated?

  35. Murray McCallum says:

    He appears to have peaked when he spelled his name correctly at the top of the letter.

  36. jules says:

    I’ve met this guy a couple of times and in my opinion he is one of the worst, most tribal and least pleasant of Labour’s MPs in the northerly branch office. And that really is saying something…

  37. handclapping says:

    Ah yes, subjugate, put under the yoke like neutered oxen. If he is re-running the referendum, which we aren’t, it is worth remembering that it was a choice between being a Scottish citizen or a UK subject (one lying beneath).

  38. crazycat says:

    @ jules

    I believe, though I didn’t witness it so can’t be absolutely sure, that he is the one who told Rose Gentle (whose son was killed in Iraq) and her team that they were “Saddam’s little helpers” when she stood against his predecessor in the 2005 General Election.

  39. Lesley-Anne says:

    I may be wrong here manandboy but your last post reads more like a list of beliefs of the COMMUNIST party rather than a *ahem* allegedly Labour party. Just saying like. 😉

  40. No no no...Yes says:

    Typical Labour Party guff that the SNP is bad. When will one of these Labour characters actually say something positive about

    1. Their track record and achievements in the last 5 years
    2. Their costed, credible plans for Scotland in the next 5 years

    A forlorn hope I know, however we need to raise these points with voters to help guide them to the light.

    O/T The front page of the National today has a fascinating picture of Ed Miliband standing outside a Gents Toilet with a headline about leaving a door open for the SNP deal.

    Is it just me, or is there really some kind of message there?

  41. handclapping says:

    @Murray McCallum
    Funny that, I always thought it was pronounced McKean

  42. Vote Labour to save the Labour party, or vote SNP to get representation at Westmonster, that’s a hard one, I guess that you have been listening to Jim Murphy during one of his Waldo Mitty moments, unfortunately not many others are, even Red Ed is offering ‘Home rule’, what’s your bid, more of the same just won’t cut it.

  43. fred blogger says:

    moral of the story; never be in a room full of mirrors and/or with a smoke machine going flat out, whilst typing.
    coz you never know what tripe will emerge from the printer.

  44. Robert Llewellyn Tyler says:

    “subjugate”. Don’t these idiots even have proof readers?

  45. A.N.Surgent says:

    No mention of anything in that letter that will help even one of his constituents. Nothing on the NHS, poverty, welfare, economy…nothing. Just the same old SNP bad mantra and a vote for me is a vote for the union p*sh.

  46. Brian Sheen says:

    McCann is a shouty Tea boy ripped apart in a meeting in EK in the run up to the election where he proceeded to shout at his constituents when that accused him of being a liar, currently proceedings are at the prosecutor fiscal on his alleged attack on two 17 year old boys placing Yes posters in EK,does not understand why he voted for the Tories austerity cuts and Linda Fabiani consistently tears him apart on-Line, though Adam Ingram does say he makes a great cup of tea.85% turnout in the referendum in EK, 51.9% voted Yes. Some hard work needing done but he should be gone by 8th May.

  47. Dr Ew says:

    Michael McCann is a Labour Whip – a corrupt bully and liar:

    – Prior to the last General Election he was exposed as the author of potentially libellous letters placed in the local paper under the name of a “front” and attacking anyone who dared to criticise his vile mentor Rt Hon Adam Ingram.

    – In 2011 BBC Scotland and the Sunday Herald both exposed McCann failed to declare an interest with local builder and major donor to Labour in East Kilbride, James Kean. McCann was a South Lanarkshire councillor on its Planning Committee when numerous applications related to Mr Kean were considered. McCann made significant interventions in a dispute between Mr Kean and a rival bidder over an planning application that stood to earn the victor around £18 million. Kean Properties won.

    – Last year Mr McCann was charged with “breach of the peace” for verbally abusing and threatening two teenage ‘Yes’ campaigners. The case is currently with the Procurator Fiscal.

    So, denizens of East Kilbride –
    Vote ‘No’ to SNP subjugation and deceit!
    Vote McCann for tried and trusted Labour subjugation and deceit!

    You know it makes sense.

  48. M4rkyboy says:

    They really are this deluded.
    This is the mindset that says opposing your country’s independence is patriotic,reducing Scotland’s economy to a regional one is to our benefit,subordinating Scotland’s need’s to another country’s is acceptable.

  49. TD says:

    It is interesting that this letter does not contain a hint of a reason why we should stay in the UK. If I was a Labour MP, and I wanted to retain my seat, I would be trying to communicate with the 45% and persuade them that being in the UK really was best. But here we get just a repetition of the “SNP bad” mantra. They seem to think that all they need to do to win the argument is state that the SNP want to break up the union. The whole point is that 45% – almost certainly more now – DO want to break up the union. Or to put it in more positive terms 45% want to run our own affairs. He seems to have given up even trying to address the 45% whose votes he will need.

    Quite bizarre.

  50. Andy A says:

    Other than the use of red lettering there’s no mention of Labour in the letter. Are there enough Lib Dems and Tories left in East Kilbride to thwart the SNP bandwagon ? McCann clearly realises that appealing to traditional Labour voters is a lost cause.

  51. Devorgilla says:

    subjugate to independence… wow!

  52. Valerie says:

    The Muppets have been forced to issue a statement denying any connection with something called the Scottish Labour Party.

  53. DAvid Anderson says:

    I and my army of squirrels will ‘subjugate’ the entire UK come May whuahahahahaha

  54. Michael says:

    How convenient he left his phone number for me to give him a bell and remind him there are 93,000 SNP foot soldiers coming his and his chums way. They have leaflets filled with polices to help improve his constituents lives.

    Labour think they can win or keep a few seats in England by weaponising the NHS in England. Just wait till they feel the force of the firepower and wrath of the NO voters, who now know they were lied to.

    Better find a big company that needs a non executive director.

  55. Red Squirrel says:

    Who needs satire when they do this good a job themselves. Tick tock…

  56. jimnarlene says:

    Maybe, just maybe, if he and his cohorts gave a shit about Scotland and actively campaigned for true devomax/home rule or even independence, he/they would not be in the blind panic they are now.

  57. Proud Cybernat says:

    East Kilbride (South Lanarkshire YES = 45.3%. Can you count McCann, you complete doofus?

  58. Desimond says:

    East Kilbride Labour…their self destruct has been going perfectly…remember Andy Kerrs arrogance at not even putting himself on List as if it was beneath and un-needed for such a ‘popular’ guy…Boom!

    And remember this nigh on 1 year ago:

  59. Joemcg says:

    Having to virtually beg WM for our money back AKA the Barnett is not subjugation?

  60. fred blogger says:

    even if it’s true that snp lost the indyref, which as their name wasn’t on the ballot paper, they didn’t.
    labour lost the last ge, it doesn’t stop them from having another go @ it!
    the prime aim of the snp is to do what’s in the interests of the people of scotland.
    the prime purpose of WM is to do what’s best for the union.
    could argue that uk wide parties are bad @ doing what’s in the best interests of the union.
    it’s very clear to all now that scotland needs, and demands, unique representational status within the uk.
    labour can’t deliver that.

  61. scav says:

    It truly is difficult to satirise Michael McCann.

    One thing that may worry him is, East Kilbride is one of the areas that voted Yes. Now he is offering us, explicitly, the chance to re-run the referendum on a small scale, and express our opinion of the “profound changes that the vote delivered”. Oh yeah, it is ON.

    I met him at a debate during the indyref campaign, and he is at least one of clueless or dishonest. For example, he maintained with smug conviction that my UK passport would become invalid in the event of a Yes vote. He didn’t go into detail about how that would work exactly, what with residence not being related to citizenship, he just wanted to maintain the air of fearful uncertainty about the outcome.

    Now we see that he who lives by fearful uncertainty dies by fearful uncertainty (career-wise, anyway). You can almost smell the terror-sweat on that leaflet.

  62. Desimond says:

    You pick a Political Party that meets your values, your principles and your aspirations

    Yet another Labour MP who sees peoples only voting for a Party manifesto!

    And yes, Im still laughing at a Labour MP daring to use that line above!

  63. Anne Meikle says:

    och for heavens sake, you won, get over it!

  64. galamcennalath says:

    bring under domination or control, especially by conquest.

    synonyms: conquer, vanquish, defeat, crush, quell, quash, gain mastery over, gain ascendancy over, gain control of, bring under the yoke, bring to heel, bring someone to their knees, overcome, overpower, hegemonize;

    antonyms: liberate

    I think the antonym might be more appropriate!

    That’s Labour reality … back to front, inside out, upside down, arse for elbow.

  65. Patrician says:

    @Andy A, spot on, this isn’t aimed at Labour supporters, this is aimed at those remaining union supporters in the tories and lib dems, vote for me to stop the SNP.

  66. mark says:

    Perhaps Mr McCann you should have been raising your hand against fracking and ulitamately against the poisoning of our water and land instead of compiling more scaremongering literature..

  67. Ian Brotherhood says:

    ‘…some people are still not happy.’

    Wow. This dude’s got his ear to the ground, eh?

    BTW Crazycat (2.22) – it was the mighty Adam Ingram himself who made the ‘Saddam’s little helpers’ jibe. One of the regulars on this site witnessed it first-hand. (Naturally, Ingram was surrounded by minders at the time.)

  68. Findlay Farquaharson says:

    i take it up the arse regularly from my london masters. please vote for me for this practice to continue.
    P.S.. i also enjoy an unregulated expense account and will hire family and friends who will be well payed by you.

  69. Lollysmum says:

    O/T-but fun-Christine Graham on Smith Commission.

  70. yardbox says:

    I stay in Strathaven, didn’t vote for him last time, won’t be voting for him this time.

  71. ClanDonald says:

    Labour are currently on about 25% of the vote in Scotland, made up of the labour no voters. To increase their vote, then, they must attract the Labour yessers back. If they think this leaflet is the way to do this they are thicker than we thought. The SNP have nothing to worry about.

  72. John Paul says:

    Simply… WHIT A CUNT

  73. Jimbo says:

    @ No no no … Yes

    “The front page of the National today has a fascinating picture of Ed Miliband standing outside a Gents Toilet with a headline about leaving a door open for the SNP deal.”

    Yep, saw that. 🙂

    I thought they were perhaps trying to impart the message that Labour politicians in Scotland prefer not to be too far from a toilet these days.

  74. Proud Cybernat says:

    55.7%? Eejit!

    It’s stuff like this that gives them the gall to claim they had a 10% victory. If, however, we consider the entire voting age population of Scotland (i.e. including those who have not registered to vote) then the No victory was only 8.65% meaning YES only required a swing of 4.33% (+1 vote) to win:

  75. heedtracker says: This is another good example of SNP bad, so everyone be loyal Scottish Britons and vote Slab, with usual sneering malice from rancid Graun attacks Scottish democracy shock, but “you won, get over it teamGB” keeps popping up. Interesting that like the Slab letter up there, this Graun shyster in particular also pretends THE VOW never happened.

    Is there a pattern forming here with our imperial masters, they really worry about what might happen to Scotland if England did not control us.

    “For those Britons who value the union and would feel diminished if the Scots left it – as well as fearful on their behalf in a harsh world – this is dangerous territory. Sturgeon is a nimble political heir to Alex Salmond (does backseat Alex still pull the strings? I don’t know) who is seeking to reassure disaffected Labour voters in Scotland that defecting to the SNP on 7 May will not be helping the Tories get re-elected at Ed Miliband’s expense.

    Of course, that’s what it will do and, as such, may help Sturgeon’s strategic goal of breaking up the state, whatever the price of oil.”

    When he says Britons are fearful on the Scot’s behalf, who exactly are Britons anyway and why do Britons need their loyal Scots to stop England voting blue Tory and ah whats the point, its a like a hall of mirrors now teamGB.

    Just shaddap, vote Slab, be happy Scots that Britons are looking after you and then save 40 million+ English voters from voting for the blue tory government they want. No wonder so many Scots immigrate.

  76. muttley79 says:

    If this is the level of hysteria oozing out of SLAB in late January, what are they going to be like at the start of May, if the polls stay around about the same as they are at the moment?

  77. Pentland Firth says:

    Why has this embarrassingly illiterate nonentity been reselected to stand for the Labour Party in East Kilbride? Couldn’t Labour find anyone better? Mr McCann’s risible letter tells his constituents everything they need to know about the current sorry state of that once great party. He’s not fit to represent himself never mind the residents of East Kilbride. Let us hope that they kick him out of parliament in May.

  78. crazycat says:

    @ Ian Brotherhood

    Thanks – I knew it was one or the other of them, and that whoever had described witnessing it mentioned McCann, but I didn’t get it quite right!

  79. wingman 2020 says:

    “UK passport would become invalid in the event of a Yes vote

    Then he is indeed an idiot with a particularly low IQ.

    Anyone who thinks this through realises that Independence would only potentially affect third generation Scots (assuming that the rUK withdrew the confirmed right for dual passports)

    A Scottish passport would be a choice… not a consequence of voting YES. Completely laughable.

    Imagine UK Border Control: “Now what did you vote in the Referendum? ‘NO’ was it? In that case you are clearly still rUK and merely resident in Scotland” hahahahaha

    The standard of our elected representatives is frightening.

  80. Dr Jim says:

    Now who do i want to subjugate me Hmm i’ll take Nicola “legs” Sturgeon thanks very much.
    Apart from being smart, intelligent, an excellent first minister, and works for me and my country
    She is prettier than this man, who is not a pretty sight and has difficulty counting
    So on balance my team wins
    Go Legs…..
    No offence Mrs Murrell…

  81. Marcia says:

    o/t Michelle Thomson has been selected as the SNP Candidate for Edinburgh West. Now waiting to hear who has the Dundee West nomination. Poll closes at 5.

  82. donald anderson says:

    Bo mention of Socialsm: just right wing Unionism. McCann’s a Bam.

  83. heraldnomore says:

    I have the misfortune to be represented by this a-hole in Westminster, for another few weeks.

    He is a total toss-pot and the evidence of that is clear in his letter. Waiting on my copy arriving. They do have a freepost address don’t they?

  84. Marcia says:

    Natalie McGarry is now the SNP candidate for Glasgow East.

  85. Helena Brown says:

    Could it be that this gentleman fears that should he be removed from his present position someone might find out where the bodies are buried?
    Somewhere within this man’s intellect is the idea that like so many in the Labour Party the SNP have stolen their voters, sorry but they were not yours to begin with just loaned and then when you failed to deliver, well the natural consequences…

  86. Ron says:

    Vote Labour – because we’re not the SNP

  87. dakk says:

    With rationale and prose like that Mickey McCann would make a good political hack for the Daily Record,so he may yet find employment more suited to him than as an MP, should he be rumbled by his constituents.

  88. Marcia says:

    More SNP Candidate selections

    Glasgow South West – Chris Stephens
    Edinburgh South West – Joanna Cherry QC
    Kilmarnock and Louden – Alan Brown

  89. Tattie-bogle says:

    “Gonny no dae that” “How?” “Just gonny no”

  90. Stuart Haddon says:

    Personally, I’m feeling horribly subjugated. Are you feeling subjugated? How subjugated are you feeling (on a scale of 1-10)? Who, in the name of The Wee Man, writes this kind of utter pish and hopes to be taken seriously? Sorry? McCann, did you say? Never heard of him…

  91. M4rkyboy says:

    God bless Christine Grahame,i think she’s fantastic.

  92. Ian Brotherhood says:

    re the photie of Ed on today’s National front page…

    Anyone have a link to that great image of him looking through the window at the back of a hall, just before he came in to deliver a speech. It was fairly receently. He looked so sad…

    It would be nice to make a meme of that one, and have characters like McCann take a shot looking through the same panelled door – ‘The Wee Windaes Ay Doom’

  93. I mentioned before on Wings about what has been the lasting harm done to a Scotland not only ruled by WM, but also dominated politically in recent times by the red-rosetted numpties that make up the North British Accounting Unit?

    Would we be sitting like Norway with a nice big oil fund? Would we still be in need of foodbanks? Would we have the blood of thousands on our hands, thanks to Blair’s New Labour Experiment? And would we still have nuclear weapons parked on our doorstep?

    One wonders sometimes.

  94. Nana Smith says:

    Ach this man is a clown, seems to be the required qualification for labour mps.

    Not much of a man really, did he not assault a young lad for handing out YES leaflets.

    Lets hope he gets his arse skelped in May.

  95. heedtracker says:

    It would be nice to make a meme of that one, and have characters like McCann take a shot looking through the same panelled door – ‘The Wee Windaes Ay Doom’

    Knock Knock, who’s there would be a better use of that timid Milliband peering through the glass door.

    Knock Knock who’s there? a box of puppies, so vote Slab Scotland.

  96. BILL says:

    Before the referendum we said a Yes vote wasn’t a vote for the SNP, well now were saying a vote for the SNP is a vote for independence.

  97. donald anderson says:

    Latest EBC Newsflash,

    Winston Churchill still deid.

    Get the Butcher’s Aprons out again.

  98. msean says:

    Subjugate Scotland?,sounds like what happens when a stronger state tries to keep sway over a smaller one. Does having 59 MPs out of 650 count as a form of subjugation?

  99. Legerwood says:

    Even better than the front page of the National today is the photo of Ed and Jim in the on-line Herald in front of the same toilet door with their heads perfectly framing the wee man. Sorry no link

  100. Thepnr says:

    O/T The good folk at Independence Live are having a fundraiser to basically keep the site going.

    In the run up to the referendum Kevin who started the project gave up his full-time job so as to focus fully on getting items of interest to people that were denied us by the established broadcasters.

    It truly is unique, some of you may have watched yesterday the excellent interview of James Kelly (Scot Goes Pop). Without an outlet like Indie Live we could never see such an interview.

    If you have stopped paying your TV licence because of the bias please consider making a donation so as we can keep our grassroots fledgeling media going.

    Maybe next time the Rev is in Scotland we could have an interview from him? What about it Rev?

    Big or small, even very small donations would be welcome. The sum he is looking for will keep Independence Live going for the next 4 months and take us beyond the GE. It works out at just less than the minimum wage. That is dedication.

  101. Les Wilson says:

    Here’s Greg Moodie’s latest, a take on Ed’s quickfire visit.


  102. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @Nana Smith –

    !!! 🙂

    It’s an outright winner!

  103. Nana Smith says:


    Here’s the link.

    Labour in the toilet!

  104. Author_al says:

    I am after a bit of advice. Today I received an email from the petition site 38 Degrees saying…

    “Hundreds of 38 Degrees members have volunteered to hold meet-ups across the country to talk about what we could do together in the run up to the general election. Picture the scene: it’s a pub, cafe, or community centre down the road from you. You meet half a dozen or so other local 38 Degrees members. Together, you discuss what you could do locally, and brainstorm ideas for making a difference nationally. Your ideas will shape how 38 Degrees members make the issues we care about the hot issues at this election.”

    I gather that 38 Degrees was set up by individuals linked to Labour. The organisation now says it is independent, but I am left wondering if these get together so are a ruse to sweep up more Labour members… can anyone enlighten me please?

  105. A.N.Surgent says:

    Can you believe this came from camerons mouth:

    “He believed that a nation was made great not just by its military might but by how its poorest and frailest citizens were treated,” said Cameron, calling this a “huge part” of Churchill’s legacy.

    Well his british nation is not doing too well at it and is very far from great Wonder if Adam Smith can sue him.

  106. Brian Fleming says:

    Grizzle McPuss, your picture reminds me of what I see in the mirror the morning after a hard night out. Have you planted a camera in by bathroom, by any chance. I doubt it somehow, but the likeness is freaky.

  107. Cadogan Enright says:

    @ rev QUESTION

    how was that letter delivered? – I understand it is illegal to use Westminster postage for such material and it would have to be deducted from McCanns election campaign

  108. McBoxheid says:

    Just when has 5.3%-1 vote been decisive?

    As their main arguement all through indyref an beyond is SNP bad, it does show a singularity of purpose, I suppose.

    They must have a word of the day table that they have get permission from their leader Ed Millisecond,(the average time people spent on deciding if he is the best leader for Scotland, or was that cumulative time?) oops I meant St Jim the tory Smurphy. I wonder if they have to know how to pronounce it too?

  109. Capella says:

    @ Author_al
    I think 38 degrees is a Labour front and I removed my name from their mailing list after they allowed Gordon Brown to hijack one of their petitions.
    See this site, which is a Tory one but the info seems to sum up the problem although now a bit out of date since the Tories and Lib Dems are in coalition!.

  110. Marcia says:

    More SNP candidates selected;

    Philippa Whitford – Central Ayrshire

    Richard Arkless – Dumfries & Galloway

  111. Mac an sealgair says:

    And they say WE cant let go!!
    This numty has taken “neverendum” to heart.
    Close the door on your way out.

  112. Proud Cybernat says:

    I am sure his telephone number is strategically provided in order that McCann can later claim he has received menacing calls from nasty Cybernats. Don’t rise to it people. We know how these people operate. Think ‘egg-gate’.

  113. Legerwood says:

    To Nana Smith

    Thank you for the link. Did you notice in the photo that Sunny Jim’s halo had slipped a bit?

  114. Bob Mack says:

    Just heard Tasmina Ahmed Sheikh for N perthshire ?

  115. Capella says:

    @ Marcia
    Great list of candidates. Maybe the SNP site will put up their photos and background info soon.
    Nicola’s speech yesterday on the Chilcot Inquiry delay is worth reading.

    We were told in 2003 by the proponents of war that the invasion of Iraq was needed to make us safer, such was the threat from weapons of mass destruction, which supposedly could be launched at 45 minutes’ notice.

    But no one could today seriously or honestly claim that the Iraq War has made that country itself, the wider Middle East region or the world as a whole a “safer place”.

    The war’s legacy has been to usher in an decade and more of bitter and bloody sectarian conflict, including the rise of Islamic State militants as a destabilising force in Iraq and neighbouring countries.

    Presiding Officer, in seven weeks’ time we will mark the 12th anniversary of the start of the war in Iraq.

  116. Marcia says:

    Bob Mack

    No, she was selected for Ochil and South Perthshire.

  117. Capella says:

    and British Territory used for CIA torture interrogations.

    Sorry it is off topic but it was Labour policy to engage in the Iraq War and the War on Terror so relevant to MR McCann’s electioneering about subjugation.

  118. Fergus Green says:

    @ Author_al

    Do not trust 38 degrees. They have links to Labour. I unsubscribed a while back when they refused to distance themselves from Gordon Brown after he ‘hijacked’ their petition.

  119. ronnie anderson says:

    @ Les Wilson 5.26 Did you realy hiv tae pit that link up at this time Grrrr.Ah wiz looking forward tae hame made Spagbol wie Parma shavings.

    Standby dinner Chicken Curry.

  120. Bob Mack says:

    Thanks marcia . She will be a great candidate.

  121. Nana Smith says:

    @Legerwood Did you notice in the photo that Sunny Jim’s halo had slipped a bit?

    Perhaps he was told to remove it while in the presence of Ed. Would’nt do to upstage the boss.

  122. john king says:

    Is that no a braw stick!
    Aw ah need noo is as a big waasps nest tae shoogle it in. 🙂

  123. GrahamB says:

    Might have missed this one earlier, but heard last night that Patrick Grady, National Convener, has been selected for Glasgow North against Anne McKeechan. He was one of the stars of YesKelvin so should make mincemeat of McKeechan.

  124. Clootie says:

    This must be quite a common stunt!

    Christine Jardine is getting nowhere with her LibDem credentials in Gordon so she is pushing her link to Better Together.

  125. Paula Rose says:

    Subjugate, dominate?

    No comment


  126. bjsalba says:

    O/T about 38 degrees
    Not only did they let Gordo hijack the vow petition, they also circulated a “member originated” petition to get armed police off Scotland’s streets. This was a campaign in the press during the referendum – and it featured a picture of police armed in Inverness. The articles all go on and on about routine armed patrols but what they never say is that the police in the photo were an Armed Response Team sent out to a specific incident, not a routine patrol. And they have Armed Response Teams in England and Wales too.

    What is more, with the survey out today they are at it again on BBC Scotland and and in the Courier.

    No wonder we don’t buy newspapers any more!

  127. thomaspotter2014 says:

    That 55.3% that voted No were mostly elderly vulnerable people who were terrorised by Tv,Newspapers and radio-not to mention personal phone contact-all directed and employed by BT gang Mc Ternan,Fatboy McDougal,Slimy Jim Murky and last but not least-the anti-christ-Slaverer Broon.
    Who just happen to be reformed.
    So I wonder what their GE stategy might be????

  128. Paula Rose says:

    re what Thepnr says at 5:26

    No more strokes from me unless you have given your mite to the mighty Kevin.

    (If I need to explain the wordplay, I will be annoyed)

  129. Stevie says:

    East Kilbride voted YES.
    A lot of voters to piss off.

  130. Calgacus says:

    “Subjection by deceit” I thought that was the unionist way.

    East Kilbride voted YES.

    Red Tories OUT!

  131. Thepnr says:

    Red Tory making it’s mark in the wider world?

    “A Red Tory is an adherent of a progressive conservative political philosophy, tradition, and disposition in Canada similar to the High Tory tradition in the United Kingdom; it is contrasted with “Blue Tory”…

    It is also used to describe the British Labour Party,[citation needed] as they campaign under the colour red, but their policies, once in government, are seen by some as indistinguishable from the Conservative Party (the Tories.”

  132. As stated earlier it was never 55.7%
    The Red Tory says 55.7% of the (Scottish)public when it was only 37.57% of the (Scottish)public that voted to stay controlled by Westminster.
    It was not even 55.3% of the Electorate it was only 46.73% of the total Electorate that voted to stay controlled by Westminster.
    Less than half of the Scottish Electorate voted to stay controlled by Westminster.

  133. Dorothy Devine says:

    When I was very young I became fascinated by the red indian ,or native American if you will.

    As I grew up I found out more and more of their love of the land and their beliefs and of ” our” destruction of a balanced way of life. They were asset stripped , deceived and denigrated.

    In my teens I wish it had been possible to time travel bearing weapons that could destroy the invaders ships and leave the Indians to live their lives the way they wished.

    Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee left a lasting impression of the grief we caused.

    Now they are trundled out to perform for the tourists who nod sagely and are well impressed with the noble savage.

    I am genuinely scared that that same fate awaits our culture .It has been suppressed , oppressed , repressed and depressed.

    As someone has already mentioned , we have union flags ,”shared history” and every contrived ” celebration” of Britishness from WW1/WW2 and we even exhume Churchill to have another excuse for flying the flag.

  134. Yesitis says:

    Michael McCann…
    is a very silly man.


  135. ronnie anderson says:

    @ Dorothy Devine re the churchill re-enactment I did notice the two Pipers on the Barge we,re displaying Saltire Flags on their top drones,regimental pendants had a day off.

  136. Graeme Doig says:

    I take it this muppet has no idea what ‘subjugate’ or ‘deceit’ mean.

    He is employed by Ed to exactly these two things in and to Scotland. You would think he would have more of a handle on his brief.

  137. muttley79 says:

    Does anyone know if Ivan McKee won the vote to stand as SNP candidate?

  138. hetty says:

    Graeme Doig at 8.42pm

    I am rather pleased you said, brief and not briefs! Urgh! Ok sorry, it’s Friday though.

  139. Alan Mackintosh says:

    Yesitis, your promising start to becoming a poet ended very abruptly…

  140. Graeme Doig says:


    ‘Pipers on the Barge we,re displaying Saltire Flags on their top drones,regimental pendants had a day off.’

    Just showing that we’re all one big happy family here in Ukaysville.

  141. hetty says:

    Dorothy Devine

    yes indeed. Scotland’s future will definitely depend on the strength of the people who have the peoples interests at heart, without sounding all hippy and stuff, we really are a force to be reckoned with and current amendments to land laws must, just must, ensure sustainablity, for our childrens children and all that. Scotland is an amazing country, it always has been and with all the will in the world will continue to be.
    It is set in stone that we all have a contribution to make, and we are the futures ancestors so we also have a huge responsibility. How greedy meanies sleep at night is beyond most peoples comprehension.

  142. Marcia says:


    He didn’t win the nomination in the 2 seats I know he was going for.

  143. ronnie anderson says:

    @ Graeme Doig Its ah wonder they did,nt go the full hog an dig the auld fucker up. Whits the next date in the history calender fur flying the disunifying oniun flag.

  144. Robert Peffers says:

    @scav says:30 January, 2015 at 3:31 pm:

    “For example, he maintained with smug conviction that my UK passport would become invalid in the event of a Yes vote.”

    Here’s the thing. The Passport is indeed a British Passport and that simple fact is the fact that shoots this numptie down in flames for the UK is but a part of Britain. Which Britain is a geographic feature, an archipelago that includes, besides the four countries of the United Kingdom, (which are a royal realm and not a country), the Republic of Ireland, the non-UK Bailiwicks of Jersey and Guernsey and the non UK Isle of Man. These last three are Crown Dependencies and they carry British Passports that differ from UK passports by not having EU on the cover. They are Her Majesty’s subjects but not UK citizens. As The Queen is Queen of Scots we are still British citizens under the Crown of Scotland if independent.

  145. Fred says:

    @ Marcia, Natalie McGarry is the very wummin, all good candidates though.
    If party membership is over 90,000 why is the National supposedly suffering from a diminished circulation?

  146. muttley79 says:


    I am disappointed for Ivan McKee that he did not win the votes to become a candidate. Same goes for Michael Stewart, although he was up against Michelle Thomson, who was very good in the Yes campaign.

  147. Robert Peffers says:

    @John Paul says:30 January, 2015 at 4:02 pm:

    “Simply… WHIT A CUNT”

    Dis yon mean ye like him, then?

    Or dis it mean ye dinna like him.

    A’h best stoap noo afore a say something a should’na


  148. Thepnr says:


    Is this correct that Ivan McKee did not win a nomination? If so I am astonished that the SNP have such quality to chosse from that they can reject someone with Ivan’s calibre.

    Unbelievable if true in my opinion!

  149. Robert Peffers says:

    @M4rkyboy says: 30 January, 2015 at 4:44 pm:

    “God bless Christine Grahame,i think she’s fantastic.”

    Me too. Lady with a great spirit, good orator and a healthy sense of humour. Oh! … And she never misses what she aims at.

  150. Dorothy Devine says:

    Well spotted Ronnie – that cheered me up a wee bit.

    Hetty , yes we are fighting for future generations and our culture.
    I think I’ll leave my grandchildren a copy of the Wee Blue Book and Son, I voted Yes by Stanley Odd and that lassie with the lovely voice.

  151. Robert Peffers says:

    @Nana Smith says:30 January, 2015 at 5:07 pm:

    “Here you go Ian”

    My entry for the caption competition is – “Please tae help the guisers”.

  152. Robert Peffers says:

    @Nana Smith says:30 January, 2015 at 5:50 pm:

    “Here’s the link.

    Labour in the toilet!

    And the caption entry for that one is : –

    “Jim! Jim! You’ve just wet my shoe.”

  153. “I am astonished that the SNP have such quality to chosse from that they can reject someone with Ivan’s calibre.”

    It is the members in constituencies that vote for the candidates they want from a list of candidates – nothing to do with the SNP hierarchy. Whether you think it unbelievable or not, it’s the democratic choice.

    I’m also disappointed Ivan hasn’t become a candidate as I think he has much to offer, so hopefully he might make it next year.

  154. Thepnr says:

    @Dorothy Bruce

    I guess it is true then that he failed to win a nomination?

    The problem is Dorothy, candidates like Ivan only come along once in a while and should be grabbed with both hands when available.

    Good luck to the chosen candidate but I’d be very surprised if they could hold a candle to Ivan.

    I really hope for the SNP’s sake that this is not another Craig Murray moment.

    It’s beginning tgo look to me as if some in the SNP who are responsible for making these decisions at local level are as bad as the Labour Party. Sad indeed.

  155. Capella says:

    How can Ivan McKee not be a candidate? It doesn’t make sense!

  156. Robert Peffers says:

    @Dorothy Bruce says:30 January, 2015 at 10:47 pm:

    I’m also disappointed Ivan hasn’t become a candidate as I think he has much to offer, so hopefully he might make it next year.

    Aye! Dorothy, that is indeed the way of the SNP. It is the basis that makes sure the chosen hierarchy don’t go the way of the Red/Blue/Yellow Tory parties. Remember the fiasco of Glasgow Council when London Labour sent up a man from London who deselected several sitting councillors and forced the local constituency associations to adopt the candidates London chose?

    I’m quite surprised that so many on WoS don’t realise just how democratic the SNP really are. Anyway, if things keep going the way the present polls and membership numbers show, then there will be many more council candidates required in the not too distant future.

  157. Thepnr, every SNP member has their own view of the type of candidate they want. Some may well have a better idea than others of the sort of candidate likely to succeed – though I guess we probably all have our own ideas about our ideal candidate. Short of indoctrinating all members in a constituency you can’t get them to vote for the candidate you, or perhaps other people on Wings, think by far and away the best. Some members are more ‘political’ than others, some may judge by other criteria, such as whether a potential candidate is a rousing orator, or whether they are well-known and liked locally.

    This is a very different situation from the Craig Murray affair. He was considered unsuited at the time of his application to go on the list of approved candidates. Ivan was on the approved list but has not been successful in the ballot of members to be selected as a candidate in either constituencies he went for.

    I met Ivan during the indy campaign and really hoped he would be successful in getting a seat. It’s very disappointing that he hasn’t. There will be a load of other good people in the same situation as there were quite a number of people in for each seat. We can only hope Ivan gets another chance, perhaps next year, and is successful then.

  158. Thepnr says:

    @Robert Peffers

    Robert, how aware are you of Ivan’s contribution to the Yes movement or even what he actually represents?

    What the SNP need to promote the case for Independence are people that truly believe that and can articulate that in front of the TV cameras.

    Here’s an example:

  159. morgatron says:

    I am livid. This so called MP is just the thick typical Labour bell end we have come to know and despise . I will canvas till I drop in EK to rid my good fellow Birdies of this excuse of a politician. I am praying he chaps my door just so i can extract that extra .4% hes imagined out of his arse. Vote SNP.

  160. Thepnr says:

    Picking your “pal” rather than the best qualified person for the position stinks.

    It stinks of Labour. Clean out your house before asking our trust.

  161. I think you are being very hard on SNP members. No-one said they were choosing their pals rather than the best candidate. Everyone has a different belief in what the best candidate is, just as different people like different foodstuff, or different ways of spending their evenings, or favourite television shows that differ from those liked by wives or family. As human beings we all have our own likes and dislikes. What that has to do with the Labour Party I’m not sure.

    The SNP party selection procedure is as democratic as it could possibly be. Why you keep insulting it, and the integrity of SNP members, is obviously down to some dislike you have.

    I’m not sure if your insult about cleaning out the house was aimed at me, but I am not an SNP member, so my house is entirely my own.

  162. Graeme Doig says:

    I have no idea why Ivan McKee was not chosen as a candidate. I think some constituents have made a huge mistake. I reckoned he should have led the Yes campaign.
    But hey what do I know.

  163. Chic McGregor says:

    No we McCanny!

  164. mogabee says:

    In my area of Argyll & Bute, we have 3 candidates to choose from. Prior to hustings I was pretty sure who I would vote for from various correspondence.

    But after the local hustings I am struggling to pick the right one as they all came across as honest, intelligent and committed.

    In truth, I have found the process to be brilliant and open and engaging, and I’m not the only one!

    Each candidate was asked some very challenging questions so it’s not as if we held back…and I and most folk didn’t personally know all the candidates beforehand either.

    Thepnr…I hope that you aren’t going to continue to complain about a system that is as democratic as you could hope to find and which you obviously have taken no part in.

  165. Thepnr says:

    I was wrong to criticise the SNP members for making their choice. It was my disappointment and surprise at Ivan not being selected that set me off.

    Opened my mouth before engaging my brain, apologies Dorothy.

  166. Fred says:

    I think the selection problem is that as not all these 93,000 members are active & they’re voting for candidates they don’t know.
    There’s also the problem of candidates still campaigning when the votes are in long since.
    The election panel is another matter entirely and the system possibly needs re-booted.

  167. wee sandy says:

    Thephr@6.38. Impressed by your apology to Dorothy.
    Well done!

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