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Why we won’t give up

Posted on September 19, 2015 by

One year ago today.

The Daily Mail’s headline about the Unionist violence in George Square that night was “Police out in force at the polls as Salmond’s bullies are accused of intimidating voters”. The BBC went with “Salmond to quit after Scots vote No” with reports of the rioting quietly buried halfway down the page, later pulled out into the story “Police separate rival groups in Glasgow”.













































One Scotland. Unity. Move on. Obey your Queen. Shut up. Get back in your box.


To coin a phrase: no thanks.

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  1. theMadMurph says:

    They seem awful angry. Perhaps it’s not very nice being subservient, but not having the wit or determination to do anything else other than get angry!

  2. Grizzle McPuss says:

    No words, just *SIGH*

  3. robertknight says:

    At work so can’t attend, but a fair crowd today…

    Have a great day all!

  4. Midgehunter says:

    The two young girls with the Saltire facing the mob, here they are in the National:

    That’s where I see Scotlands future.

    Greetings from Frankfurt to everyone in Glasgow today – watching Indy.Live. 🙂

  5. haud on the noo says:

    I hate this whole UK/GB. Hate it with a passion.

  6. Craig says:

    Shed the tears in the morning and then got “Royally” pissed off at seeing the antics of the Unionists in George Sq.

    I will do my damnest to ensure such scenes will never be repeated.

  7. Macart says:

    I’m with Grizzle… no words.

    Besides, the images say it all.

  8. HandandShrimp says:

    The Union Flag and Nazi salutes…it has been this way since the late 60s. The kind of people that are attracted to this sort of demonstration of “patriotism” are exactly the kind of blood and soil types that Darling was so keen to tar the Yes side.

    These are your people Alistair, suck it up.

    Have a cracking day at Freedom Square today. I can’t make it due to family commitments but if I could I would be there.

  9. Iain More says:

    On my 24/7 carer stint so I wont be there. Haud on the noo took the words right out of my mouth. I would add to that and say I hate the Brit Nat Press and Media with an equal passion.

  10. Geoff Huijer says:

    No picture captions necessary..

  11. Chris says:

    Makes me soo sad that there are so many Fu’kt’rds in Scotland.

  12. K1 says:

    Compare and contrast all the gatherings of Yes, throughout the last few years: no police lines, no screaming contorted hateful images such as those above.

    These are violent people, they are not representatives of our country.

    I felt the fear watching this unfold on 19th September last year, and was texting out messages of safety to others who I knew were out and about, to hide their yes badges, that evening, because I knew these people were simply thugs looking for a reason to hurt anyone.

    They’ve nothing to do with ‘politics’, they are organised gangs with prejudice and hate aimed at anything they perceive as threatening their narrow minded hateful outlook on the world.

    What is shocking, was the mass media cover up of this. That is an utter disgrace. They have condoned these violent gangs by not exposing them for who and what they are.

    I will never forgive the BBC and STV for this, as for the rags, they are snake oil salespeople, punting their wares for profit, they’d sell their weans for their name on a byline:

    Propagandists who protect violent extremists one and all.

  13. peekay says:

    Grizzle McPuss says:

    No words, just *SIGH*

    Yeah grizzle, my reaction too. No anger, no hatred towards them. Just a feeling of sadness for them

  14. Calum McDonald says:

    Where do these people go when our day comes?

    There is no place for them in a civilised society.

    It is a shame their opinions and culture were not laid bare before the electorate prior to the vote.

    The irony they don’t see, albeit it is tattooed on them, worn by them, flown by them and shouted hysterically by them at others, is their tawdry, vile and triumphant nationalism.

    I wonder how many Scots Asians, Black Scots, newly arrived Europeans or indeed people from England living in Scotland would have voted for no having seen this lot?

    Truly shocking and sinister, brit nationalists are Scotland’s enemy within.

  15. Auld Rock says:

    I have often wondered just how many of those Orange THUGS were from N.Ireland??? Also why were none arrested for causing a breach of the peace and GBH???

    Auld Rock

  16. Flying Scotsman says:

    For those of us who cannot make it to freedom square today, how would I go about getting me one of those caledonia catelonia pin badges?(posted a few threads down from here).

  17. Dcanmore says:

    JK Rowling should invite them all around to her mansion for tea.

  18. HandandShrimp says:

    Is the wemcam broken? It seems to be stuck at 12:30

  19. R-type Grunt says:

    In what world could anyone be Better Together with these psychopaths?

    In other mews, I’ve just been told by the manageress of my local shop (Co-op) that they don’t stock The National as it’s not on their stock list. She says she has no control over that. Does anyone have any insight into this?

  20. Stoops says:

    The true face of British nationalism. They let the mask slip pretty soon after they won eh? Ignorance, bigotry, hatred and gross stupidity all wrapped up in a union flag.

    Makes my blood boil, but these are yesterday’s people.

  21. Andrew McLean says:

    Did they not realise the bells are tolling on their empire ‘and why do they look inbread?
    Greetings from la manga club, Murcia
    Soon need my Scottish passport to get home!

  22. Ken500 says:

    The Glasgow Police let the thugs off and jailed the young girls. Justice? House had to resigned.

    They are at the Tennis. Ruining it.

    As for the Orange Walks ruining the Glasgow economy every other week. No other council in Scotland allows this carry on.

  23. SteveCameron says:

    Sums up why I left Glasgow 30 years ago …..

  24. msean says:

    Nazi salutes. In Glasgow.

  25. Grizzle McPuss says:

    …now go compare with George Square just now

  26. The Man in the Jar says:

    The choice to vote No was automatic for the “people”. The people as in “We Are The People” Vote naw and hate your fellow countrymen. All because of a stupid feckin football team. How do you even start to figure out the mindset of these knuckledraggers.

  27. Jim McIntosh says:

    O/T – The webcam in George Square hasn’t updated for over an hour now.

  28. ewen says:

    I remember posting links on forums to what these numpties had done and being told to take my “propaganda” elsewhere. The msm just ignored it.

    That was one emotional day from waking up gutted to going to bed extremely angry with the unionists but so proud of all who came to a yes decision.

    Now, I feel we are going to win the next one. They had their victory and they have rubbed it in our faces and reneged on all the promises. They have got weaker and more craven whilst we can only get stronger.

  29. RMF Brown says:

    Surprised that nobody has mentioned that a well known Labour member who tried to burn down a hotel, has just been appointed shadow education minister by Corbyn…

    And here was me thinking that Corbyn was serious about winning back Scotland…

  30. manandboy says:

    Cameron wouldn’t be seen dead with these people – but they are useful to him as a tool of intimidation.
    In fact intimidation is all the Establishment have left – The Politics of Fear.

  31. Gfaetheblock says:

    Depressing scenes, but even if independence is won, these folk will still be part of society.

  32. heedtracker says:

    Ultimately the thugs in the video coming down Ingram Street are not that different from the UKOK media dumped on Scotland everyday, whether its BBC in Scotland, well all the UKOK media

    or unionist haha inteligensia, via Slovenia

  33. ArtyHetty says:

    R-type Grunt @1.15pm.

    Sounds like a managers decsion not to have the National, I have bought from the co-op. I would email them and request that they have it on their shelves 6 days a week.

    As for the less than eloquent, shouty angry guys in the film, no words really, just that they are despicable.

  34. Proud Cybernat says:

    While the Unionist Nazis are being discussed…

    This has probably been mentioned before, but I attended a YES Glasgow anniversary bash last night (attended by the First Minister). I got talking to a couple of people at my table (SNP Glasgow south branch members) and we got talking about WoS. I was, naturally, singing the site’s praises but was met by some deep scepticism from a couple of people. They told me that they had only ever vsited the site once and as soon as they saw the German Nazi Party logo, they never came back again. I explained, of course, that it wasn’t the German Nazi Party logo but they responded by claiming that it looks helluva like it.

    I couldn’t actually disagree with them after viewing the Nazi symbolism:

    The WoS logo is actually putting some people off visitng the site because it gives them an immediate (although wholly false) impression. Perhaps some food for thought, Rev?

  35. Robert Roddick says:

    A wee reminder from Stuart for those still in denial.

    I shall save this.

  36. Chitterinlicht says:

    I don’t remember BBC covering it either.

    I know they were there but…..?

    That fat shouty boy is a big John Bannerman fan I hear.

  37. chris kilby says:

    Angry. Angry young men.

    The ugly face and thick head of unionism. Makes you proud to be British, eh?

  38. Jimbo says:

    Last year’s Unionist demo was truly sickening. The Rule Britannia imbeciles couldn’t see the irony of giving the Nazi salute at the cenotaph dedicated to to men who died fighting the Nazis.

  39. chris kilby says:

    @ Proud Cybernat:

    That has occurred to me too. And was the first thing I thought the first time I saw it.

  40. Kenzie says:

    Proud Cybernat @ 2.40.

    Were they drunk? Or was it just any old excuse would do? It’s been a long time since I heard anything so ridiculous.

  41. The Man in the Jar says:

    @Proud Cybernat

    If a logo put them off I doubt if they would have got past page one. Sounds more like an excuse to me. Too much time spent reading newspapers. “Internet Bad”

  42. Ken500 says:

    Some Co opies have a (printed) sign up ‘get you National here’, although they are always sold out. Co op funds Labour.

  43. Ken500 says:

    The Opium of the people. Football and shopping. Leisure time.

  44. Luigi says:

    Gfaetheblock says:
    19 September, 2015 at 2:24 pm

    Depressing scenes, but even if independence is won, these folk will still be part of society.

    This is why we have to win IndyRef 2 convincingly. Had we scrapped 51% last year, there would have been mayhem. The bigger the margin we win by, the less those BritNat monkeys (and their organ grinders in the shadows) will feel confident to hit the streets and do their bad stuff.

    Last year was a massive disappointment, but I’m beginning to think maybe it had to be this way. One step at a time.

  45. Capella says:

    @ ProudCybernat
    People who are so unaware as equate the Wings Logo with Nazi symbolism are not going to be persuaded by reasoned argument. Perhaps they were looking for an excuse to stay uninformed.

    The Nazis adopted the coat of arms of Weimar, the eagle.

    The Wings emblem is a Lion, an altogether different species.

  46. Thepnr says:

    @Proud Cybernat

    The logo is unimportant and for me at least sybolises precisely nothing, as I’m sure is the same for most visiting this site.

    I suspect those that you met have a problem with Wings other than just the logo. There are yes supporters and also YES supporters, Wings is made up of the latter.

  47. FergusMac says:

    Look at all Jim Murphy’s people. His Irish ancestors would treat him with the utter contempt he deserves. You can tell a lot about a person from the company he keeps.

  48. Big Jock says:

    It makes me sick to think that Scotland produced these animals. They are worse than any Alabama lynch mob. The worst part is the media are on their side.

    I remember Martin Luther walking across the bridge to face the southern Klu Klux Klan. The police and authorities allowed the racist bullies to beat them up. Martin refused to fight back. He said they would win by never reporting to violence. He said they use violence because they can’t control or understand their emotions.

    We are better than these people. We use our heads and they batter heads. Something must be done about the BBC though. They are obsessed with alleged cybernats. Because they know the physical evidence points directly to Unionism. British intimidation is ending. We have already started to dismantle the State.

  49. Dan Watt says:

    The people pictured, and especially those caught on film, are Scotland’s shame. There really is nothing else to say about them.

    I realise it may not be all their own fault, given the massive effort the establishment has made over the last 300 years to make them hate Scotland, but you would have thought that after 2+ years of campaigning, they would have gotten the message.

    I felt hatred towards them at first, but now I am only left feeling utterly sorry for them and pitying their close mindedness and obvious utter contempt for themselves and their country.

  50. Joannie says:

    Can’t believe the level of anger and hatred on display from the unionists in that video. It might be semi-understandable if they’d lost, but they won so what the heck were they so angry about?

  51. The Moidart says:

    Just back from George Square. That was the best rally yet. My estimate between 4000 and 5000 in attendance.

    Met lots of good people today. Big thank you to all involved. The boys at the Wings stall are sterling.

    I watch these scenes from a year ago and I am so glad I had my son that night as I would likely be commenting from Barlinnie right now.


    Fight the power!!

  52. Dorothy Devine says:

    I think I’ll direct some of the folk I know who voted NO to this page – just so that they can see their ” associates”

  53. Luigi says:

    Joannie says:
    19 September, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    Can’t believe the level of anger and hatred on display from the unionists in that video. It might be semi-understandable if they’d lost, but they won so what the heck were they so angry about?

    The dopes that turned out that night were encouraged to do so. Look not to the monkeys but the organ grinder. Someone put them up to it. The establishment was afraid that the YES support would occupy George Square after the referendum. In panic they opted for intimidation to scare us back into our box. Judging by the way the independence movement bounced back, it appears to have backfired spectacularly.

  54. The Man in the Jar says:

    I had heard that the BT/OO/WATP lot had invited lots of their (more experienced) pals over from Belfast to “assist” with the riots in the event of a Yes victory. That lot were never going to go home without causing some bother. Never saw any proof but sounds highly feasible.

  55. Andy-B says:

    Westminster has done to Scotland, in a similar fashion to what it did to Northern Ireland.

    I hope after we become independent these pathetic morons leave Scotland permanently.

    No loyalist foot soldiers for us thank you.

  56. Joannie says:

    Luigi says – “someone put them up to it.”

    Prime suspect has to be the Orange Order I’m afraid. That’s a common tactic in NI whenever they don’t get their own way abut something, bring out the rioters. The weird thing about it is that they did get their own way last year, and still brought out the rioters.

  57. Croompenstein says:

    Wonderful day in Glasgow, great to meet john king and Irene also ronnie anderson, BDTT, PeteTC, Archie not Erchie, the famous Paula Rose and Gerry Parker.

    Hey Gerry I wonder if that BritNat zoomer made it back to the day care centre.. whit an eejit..

  58. One_Scot says:

    That’s the thing , there are probably hundreds of thousand of decent ‘No’ voters who cannot believe, or are even aware that they sit on the same side of the fence as these people, giving them the oxygen they need to spread their hatred.

  59. Robert Louis says:

    ‘obey your queen’ Mwahahahahaha. Seriously, what are these people taking?

    Two British nationalist union jack wavers, turned up at Freedom Square this afternoon. Kept to one wee corner by the polis, they were laughable. Left pretty quickly.

    Anyway good crowd and good spirit at Freedom Square. I do think, we need to have YES Scotland (with a different leader) properly re-activated in some way, to pull many disparate pro indy voices together.

  60. Robert Louis says:

    Just to note; some media are saying they are ‘banned’ from freedom square today. This is bulsh*t.

    A few hours ago, Tommy Sherdian on stage explained, that the organisers invited the media up to the stage between 11 and 12, to take pictures and so on. Afterwards, once they had their pics etc.. they were asked to leave the stage area. They were NOT banned from freedom square. As Pointed out by Tommy, look around you, there are no barriers at George Square.

    People were coming and going freely all the time.

    More nonsense LIES by the media. No doubt thon British state propagandist Nick Robinson will say he was banned tonight on the 6 o clock news.

  61. The Moidart says:

    @ Croompenstein…You were the only winger I never met today. I just missed you.

    Have had a great day at the Wings stall and it’s great to put faces to names.

    Thanks to everyone in attendance. And special thanks to the gentlemen who gave me my wbb.

    Very much appreciated.

    Hope you had as good a day as I have fella.

    Fight the power!!

  62. HandandShrimp says:


    That is correct the Eagle was not Nazi – they co-opted it and stuck their symbol in its talons to give their regime an air of continuity and legitimacy. Modern Germany still has the eagle, sans swastika of course.

  63. Onwards says:

    This is one of the strangest examples of these George square videos.
    Guy at 0:37 with the Eng-Ger-Land chants, while the others just look on. At least he knows what side he’s on.

  64. galamcennalath says:

    Guys featured above. Sad, very sad. Their life experience to date has led them into such dark places. Sheesh, they just need to get out, and get a life.

    Winged logo = Nazis? Eh?

    Do an image search on google for …. winged logo!

    Harley Davidson
    Jack Daniels
    Lynyrd Skynyrd
    Aston Martin

    …. fairly mainstream symbolism! Soaring, flying, rising above, speed, etc etc

  65. gerry parker says:


    Aye, good to see you and the family today.

    Yep, thon zoomer certainly got as good as he was giving off oor friend on the next bench.


    Great day, great atmosphere, good to see some of the local SNP branch in attendance, see you at the next meeting folks!

    Note to BT.

    We’re NOT going away.

  66. Bob Mack says:

    I lived with, and beside guys like this all my teenage life. They, like the young kid in one of the pictures ,are brought up this way by their parents,who ingrain prejudice and intolerance into their children.

    This is reinforced by local groups,gangs and friends.
    The bond is extremely strong and is indeed a survival mechanism in some areas of Glasgow and other inner cities

    The links between Scotland and Northern Ireland are very strong through family and the drugs trade, which amasses a lot of money from this country.No amount of education can break this cycle,because it is all these people have to give meaning to their lives and existence. Without it they would be nothing,

    However unpleasant,they are a fact of life in Scotland that we could well do without.
    During my working life as well as my formative years I have met many of them and it confirmed for me their need to belong to something which shared their values,however twisted and contorted they may be.

    I suppose ultimately every country has their share of social misfits with a warped and perverse outlook on life. We just have to deal with them best we can.

  67. De Valera says:

    I remember being confronted by half a dozen of these types in Ayr many years ago when I was 19 when one of them had spotted the small SNP badge on my jacket.
    They screamed “Fenian bastard!” in my face and then goaded a boy of around 8 or 9 who was with them to throw punches and kicks at me.

    I didn’t have the heart to tell them I was raised in a strongly loyalist/orange household!

    The numpty in the blue shirt reminds me of George Galloway’s statement that ” all nationalism leaves me cold” -while espousing his ultra British nationalism.

    These people musn’t win, our children deserve a better future.

  68. David Rushent says:

    Radio Clyde today reported this riot a clash between the two sides. for perhaps the first time in history the winning side will not get to write what happened. Social media is playing its part in providing a true record of Unionist thugs who were eventually convicted for their crimes.

  69. heedtracker says:

    Wings on your badge is used all over the world. Most aircrews have them.

  70. The Man in the Jar says:


    Dont forget the Napoleonic Imperial Eagle. One was captured at the Battle of Waterloo and is now the cap badge of the Scots Greys.

  71. Grouse Beater says:

    Take heart. We have more than hope:

  72. shiregirl says:

    Yeah, they are a nice lot, those unionists, eh? I mean, with behaviour like that, why do we want to leave the union?

    I was disgusted and embarrassed at clips such as this shown on tv. Gave Scots a bad name.

    The sooner we are out, the better….and I think it will come sooner than we think.

  73. Ken500 says:

    The Media lying again. Quelle surpris. Liars

  74. Grouse Beater says:

    JK Rowling should invite them all around to her mansion for tea.

    I’ll happily lay on the coaches.

  75. As much as I envy how politically awake Scotland is I really don’t envy the sectarian aspect of it at all.

    I am surprised that a combined unionist party hasn’t formed yet to combat the SNP. Perhaps that’ll happen after next May.

  76. Blackford Wheeler says:

    Love watching fat sumph no.1 in first viddy nearly losing his wallies.

    Great day in the square; was good to meet Ronnie Anderson.

    Re webcam, I checked on my phone from time to time. No updates were seen between 12:30 and 3:30pm, when the crowd was at its largest.

  77. Grouse Beater says:

    If they love England so much we could give them money to live there, or if they turn ugly, deport them.

    The Loyalists in Belfast see the writing on the wall too. That’s why they’re trying to undermine the Assembly and withdraw, leaving Republicans high and dry.

    Keep in mind, what we see on that first video is fear.

  78. Famous15 says:

    Perception is as important as reality. If the Wings emblem has a hint of the Teutonic or Nazis then i would bow to the opinion that it should be softened or even add or substitute a cuddly kitten but hey I am only a high paid public relations expert?

    Stu is too thrawn to bow to such pressure.

    I still think he is the best at what he does and that is expose the lies and bias in the media.

  79. Grouse Beater says:

    They had only ever visited the site once and as soon as they saw the ‘German Nazi Party’ logo, they never came back again. I explained, of course, that it wasn’t … but they responded by claiming that it looks helluva like it.

    It’s less a fascist-like symbol and more a mess of styles; an art deco pair of wings with a lion sitting on them that looks as if its paw is caught in an electric socket. If ever there was a case for handing the idea to an art school designer, Wings logo is it.

  80. Tinto Chiel says:

    Contrast the sad, twisted knuckle-draggers above with the happy and peaceful folk in Freedom Square today. It was great to meet those Wingers, too many to mention, who were just names to me before. Thanks to Big Ronnie for doing the intros. Hope the food bank got some funds.

    And Paula Rose, what can I say? You were even lovelier than I imagined. I know you stroked other men today, but the part of me you touched won’t be getting washed any time soon. Watch thon head scarf when driving back up in the Lagonda, though, you know what happened to Isadora Duncan.

    Serious question: why were the thugs allowed to make the Nazi salute? Isn’t it illegal here? It is in Germany.

  81. Grouse Beater says:

    England knows that without Scotland it will become a poxy little country with diminished power, otherwise they’d cut Scotland loose now without a hesitation.

  82. scotspine says:

    Re the excuse the media and other assorted critics have surrounding the Wings emblem and its supposed comparison with a Nazi emblem.

    Has anyone had a look at the cap badge of the Royal Lancers of the Queens British Army?

    Bears an uncanny resemblance to an SS Totenkopf to me.

  83. Ken500 says:

    2 Million out of 5.4Million voters voted for a Referedum in Catalonia (pop 7.5Million).

    1.6Million out of 3.6 million voted for Independence in Scotland (pop 5.2Million) Pro rata

    (Pro rata) A higher % of voters voted for Independence in Scotland.

  84. Macart says:

    Hope some decent crowd shots were taken. Be nice to make sure the images got spread far and wide.

    Wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on favourable shots from the meeja.

  85. Ken500 says:

    Sine Fein will win a majority in Ulster. Demographics. Win North and South in Ireland. The Unionists are trying to undermine Democracy. Unionists have ruined their economy in Ulster since 1928. No compromise.

  86. snode1965 says:

    Just back from Georges square. Excellent turnout and Great buzz, although I felt a cloud of sadness descend over me walking back to car. Then I get home to this reminder of last year…time for a half methinks!
    As a Rangers fan perhaps I can shed some light on the mindset of these thugs. They do really believe they are ” the people”. Elevated above their station in return for their unquestioning allegiance to the crown. Many of these Ulster/Scots Unionist were historically shipped to Ireland from the Estates of the aristocracy here and promoted to better positions. In return when the locals revolted they would answer the call to arms. That is what happened in Glasgow that night, win or lose, in their minds, they were answering the call to arms. Protect the crown.

  87. john king says:

    The difference between what those people did on the 19 sept last year and the atmosphere today could not have been more pronounced the police today were walking about singly completely unconcerned, last year they were out in force linking arms to hold the animals back with mounted police
    attempting to break up the mob,

    Today we had a family atmosphere where people felt perfectly at ease taking their toddlers to the event, yesterday they could muster only eight people in suits (probably the fathers of the clowns who occupied the square last year)
    today (hard to measure ) probably over 3000 at any one time but possibly over 7000 throughout the day,

    Met some new faces (to me) today so here goes, Croompenstein great to finally meet you mate, The Moidart thanks for the offer, Nana Smith an unexpected bonus, Taranaich,the one and only,Hoss Macintosh, you don’t look a thing like your picture 🙂 Alan Macintosh.

    But I have to say Pete the Camera put in an amazing shift at the wings stall and deserves credit for his efforts.

  88. mogabee says:

    Biggest difference between the lot in pics and videos and the Yes side is…

    Would you take your whole family for a fun day out amongst a “swarm” of no’s?


    As for the logo, don’t bother even talking about changing it. It epitomises Wings/Stu’s attitude to a T— unconventional. 😀

  89. john king says:

    Christ I knew I forgot someone, 🙁
    nice to have met you Tinto Chiel.

  90. Zagflash says:

    Not a brain cell between them. All rotted with hatred and ignorance. – let’s educate this problem out of existence.

  91. GallusEffie says:

    Just back from rally. Am knackered…
    Nice to meet the Wingers I did, we got a lovely spider badge for Joff – if ever there was a parallel in trying and keep trying hard…

    We had to peel off to the edges, the crowds were all a bit too much for Joff. We waited to see the bikers in, including Mr Effie, and had a nice seat taking in all the sights & sounds.

    Special wave to The Moidart…he was our badge fixer!

  92. Alba Woman says:

    just returned from George Square. What a fantastic rally. Great fun with folk happy and as determined as ever. The two hundred bikers were just marvellous. Many thanks to all those folk who organised such a wonderful day.

  93. Croompenstein says:

    @Macart –

    Hope some decent crowd shots were taken

    Here are some of mine..

  94. David McDowell says:

    Macart@ 5.51pm –
    BBC Online showing a photograph of the “crowd” at today’s George Square rally – except the camera was pointing out of the Square and away from the crowd when the photograph was taken, so only about fifteen people appear in the shot, deliberately making it look like a poorly-attended event. A new low in lying, even by the disgraceflly low standards of BBC Scotland.

  95. crazycat says:

    I had hoped to go to Glasgow today, but building work in my house intervened – now that I read the list of those I missed, I’m really wishing I’d managed to make it. All those people I haven’t yet met…. maybe next time.

  96. Croompenstein says:

    @john king –

    Nana Smith an unexpected bonus

    Aw FFS I missed Nana…

    john I missed the hot girl dancer at the BBC and I was gie upset but I’m even more upset that I missed Nana Smith today 🙁

  97. Mark Fraser says:


  98. Tinto Chiel says:

    Great to meet you, John King. My daughters loved your jaikit. Might ask for a shot of your W helmet next time. Prolonged Project Fear barrage expected soon.

    But the future belongs to us. Convinced of it.

  99. Joannie says:

    Mark, I think your comment is a bit harsh on Nana Smith.

  100. Quakeawake says:

    BBC reporting that “police say there were 1500” there today!!!

    That’s a disgrace.

    It was at least double that.

  101. Andy-B says:

    BBC news already playing down the number of folk attending the rally in Freedom Square.

  102. cirsium says:

    They’ve nothing to do with ‘politics’, they are organised gangs

    Correct, K1(1.02pm). They were organised. A proportion of them got off a touring coach opposite the Millennium hotel and there was a man giving signals for them to converge.

  103. deewal says:

    Number one priority.
    Muzzle BBC Scotland. By any means. Essential.

    I have been repeatedly asking the SNP for my Thistle and Crossbones arm and cap bands but they refuse.

  104. GallusEffie says:

    Just reviewing Stu’s photos above, I’m struck by how many men and young men are pictured. A magnet of hopped up aggressive testosterone and reeking of Tongs Ya Bass. Brandishing lit fireworks, Nazi salutes.

    Today was about families, groups of kiddies dashing amongst the legs of the adults, pushchairs and wheelchairs aplenty, folks with dogs, no-one shouting “fuck off you poofter” (what, really?) police relaxed and chatting with folks. The Recovery Rally and the Yes Bikers.

    Compare and contrast.

  105. gordoz says:

    British Nationalism is a particularly ugly form right enough.

    Perhaps a lot of in breeding has taken place (count those fingers and eyes carefully)

  106. Marco McGinty says:

    “The Union Flag and Nazi salutes…it has been this way since the late 60s.”

    Much longer than that. We should never forget about queenie, her mother, and other members of the family giving the salute in that video from the 1930s.

    “These are violent people, they are not representatives of our country.”

    No, but they are certainly representative of the union. Unashamed bullying and thuggery is what the union, and its followers, is all about.

  107. yesindyref2 says:

    I was at the square and enjoyed it. Saw the Wings stand and groups around, sorry didn’t socialise, too busy taking it in and people-watching. Highlight for me was the 200 YES bikes going past and stopping a foot away from me, thanks to the advance warning of “half hour away”.

    What it was with the people in the square is that some left early I saw them going, some arrived late I talked to a couple, some were in bars and cafes and queueing in Greggs, and around on the streets as well. A lot in CH. My estimate would be 3,000, not 1,500, though the latter figure is probably what was there at any one time in the main part of the square, not adding those on the streets.

    The police were relaxed and seemed happy. Oh, apparently there was a NO rally for about an hour earlier on, and the 2 people there behaved themselves well. I do mean 2, that’s not being flippant. Hope somebody got pictures of their rally!

    Glad I went, only one I’ve managed to get to.

  108. yesindyref2 says:

    An idea for future rallies would be to have a time half-way through where all are asked to be in the square to get the headcount right. Probably timed for some highlight.

    I’d guess most people would see the point of that, and co-operate.

  109. Flower of Scotland says:

    I’ve been watching Indy Live all day! It was fantastic. I’ve tried to find their crowd funder without success. I think the you Lollysmum or Nana put up their page sometime. Please can you put it up again
    . They need the funds.

  110. Macart says:


    Cheers Croomp.

    Looks like quite a party. 🙂

  111. JudgeJoker says:

    Those pictures still make my heart hurt. Why did our beautiful city have to fall into the hands of the sheer evil that befell it that horrible night? No doubt because Glasgow dared to dream, and for what its worth, if in the next indyref Scotland vites Yes but Glasgow votes No, that will be the most painful thing since the events pictured.

  112. Flower of Scotland says:

    RT had a really good piece on the Rally today. I’m sure it was about a few thousand there. After being at the BBC demos It looked at least 3,000 there.

  113. yesindyref2 says:

    From the National the two girls: ““The main point is that the so-called ‘Vow’ has clearly not been delivered,” said Sophie,”

    A lot of people think the EU in/out will be the trigger, but I too think it will be the Scotland Act. Sophie has it in a oner.

    The reason is that it’s not just YES voters who won;t like that, nor even some of the NO voters who care enough to change over.

    It’s the likes of other organisations that held out for Devo-Max or near to it, and that’s your basically non-political Scotland. That’s a whole load of different pressure than us lot. They gave Devo-Max a chance, have analysed what they want (for instance the 3% corporation tax cut annoyed some of them), and are already saying that Smith isn’t enough, nor is it balanced.

  114. yesindyref2 says:

    @Blackford Wheeler
    3.30 is about exactly the time I saw a Glasgow Corporation small van driving off the square, near the end of the line of bikes.

  115. The Moidart says:

    @John King.It was a pleasure to meet you and the lovely Irene The offer was genuine and will always stand my friend.You never have to thank me.

    @Effie..Awww. It was big Ronnie who gave the bold Joff the badge. But that’s very sweet of you. Thank you. One of the highlights was meeting young Joff. Another was seeing Mr Effie and his pals come in to the square. One of them came over from the US especially. Amazing!

    @ everyone else I had the privilege of meeting today. I can’t thank you all enough for contributing to a wonderful day.

    @Paula Rose.. I’m still all aquiver….

  116. Marco McGinty says:

    @Proud Cybernat
    “I got talking to a couple of people at my table (SNP Glasgow south branch members) and we got talking about WoS. I was, naturally, singing the site’s praises but was met by some deep scepticism from a couple of people. They told me that they had only ever vsited the site once and as soon as they saw the German Nazi Party logo, they never came back again. I explained, of course, that it wasn’t the German Nazi Party logo but they responded by claiming that it looks helluva like it.”

    You would think that being SNP members, they would disassociate themselves from comments that compare an innocent organisation to that of the Nazis.

    In the not so distant past, when the SNP adopted the angular design of the thistle logo, it resembled a flipped version of the Odal or Othala rune. The Nazis had used a version of this rune, and it is still a favoured design amongst neo-Nazis, so it came as no surprise when the UK media and the unionists immediately made comparisons between the SNP and the Nazis. Such is the blind hatred of the UK media and the unionist, that these connotations exist to this day, despite the fact that all of the far-right organisations in the UK support the union.

    Of course, as mentioned by others, the eagle has been a symbol for various organisations, regions and countries for centuries. France, Austria, Poland, Mexico, Egypt, and the good ole US of A all use the eagle in one form or another, as do various regions throughout Europe.

    After a resounding win for the Golden Eagle in a SNH poll, in December 2013 the RSPB approached the Scottish Parliament with a petition to have the species formally recognised as Scotland’s national bird. This led to the Conservative MSP Jackson Carlaw attacking the proposal, stating that “ The golden eagle is the symbol of an empire that once invaded large parts of Scotland, and more recently of another empire that tried to. In the lifetime of many people in this country it was the last thing their relatives saw as they were marched to their deaths.”

    Of course, what always manages to escape the uninformed, including that prize buffoon Carlaw, is that the Golden Eagle, in its winged form, is the globally recognised symbol of the Royal Air Force, and sitting atop the circlet of the RAF crest, is an imperial crown!

    But as another Winger commented, the Wings logo depicts a lion and not an eagle, so unless you somehow manage to confuse your Polar Bears with your Penguins, then the argument is a non-starter.

  117. Albaman says:

    I see that some folk have made mention or this sites logo, and it’s perceived likeness to the “SS” one.
    Now I think I know your reaction to that, and it’ll be along the lines of ” if the reader cannot see past a frigging logo, then they are not the ones l am directing this site at”, or words to that effect, and I do have sympathy with that view, but!.
    I would ask you to consider the views of some of the regular contributors, and their unspoken advise, that it may be the time to consider a change, if only to coincide with the “YES” new year!.

  118. One_Scot says:

    The BBC taking photos lying on the ground at George Square to hide the thousands of Yes supporters.

    Is there no low they will go to.

  119. heedtracker says:

    No doubt JC will the draw those delightful UKOK voters when he gives his sermon on the mount, in his Scotland region. On a Saturday where rancid The Graun went into project fear overdrive again


    On the Today programme, the former Labour chancellor Alistair Darling (soon to enter the House of Lords after being nominated for a peerage by Ed Miliband) says he is struggling to “see a silver lining” in Corbyn’s election. He adds that Corbyn will find it hard to “get off the ground” unless he sets out very clearly where he stands on key issues.

    “So far this week I do not know where he is going, what he stands for,” he tells the BBC. Asked whether he could see the new shadow chancellor John McDonnell in the Treasury, he says it is “difficult”.

    Good old BBC/Lord Darling, Flipper bottled it May 7, but its funny when they poop all over someone else’s parade.

  120. Lollysmum says:

    @ Flower of Scotland

    Here you go -link to indylive crowdfunder

    Had to go out so missed the last hour or so. Going back to livestream now to catch up on the section I missed.
    For information-the webcam was stopped at 12.29pm as I kept commenting on it in the chat section of the livestream had a camera there & there are some photos & a couple of vimeo’s on their website.

  121. Papadox says:

    The ESTABLISHMENT’S cannon fodder. Meanwhile the hiheed yins are slagging them off in their million £ mansions or London thameside apartments. Aye better the gither right enough, God bless freedom.

  122. galamcennalath says:

    yesindyref2 says:

    A lot of people think the EU in/out will be the trigger, but I too think it will be the Scotland Act.

    I agree.

    Firstly, the EU ref has its problems. There are a lot of Indy supporters who see Scotland as best being out of the EU, like Norway. They may vote to take the UK out, then if the result is England out/Scotland in and indyref2 is triggered, these same people are going to be asked to vote Yes for independence, but independence inside the EU.

    Pro EU and pro Indy don’t have exactly the same collections of followers.

    If the Scotland Act turns out to be the poisoned chalice many of us fear it will be, then the Scottish Parliament may reject it. Swinney has already hinted at this.

    The SNP have always previously accepted new limited powers on the basis that any power devolved is another step in the right direction. However, this package may have sinister hidden objectives!

    They won IndyRef1 with promises, and those promises will be seen and accepted to be in tatters.

    If that Devo2015 is genuinely WM’s best and final offer, and it is deemed potentially harmful and is rejected, we have a constitutional crisis!

    It then becomes Status Quo versus Independence – as IndyRef 1 should have been! No promises will save thief Union next time.

  123. john king says:

    Here’s a Daily Record report about the Hope over Fear rally on 12th of October 2014 where it reports

    “Hope Over Fear Rally: Thousands gather in George Square for pro-independence demonstration

    17:50, 12 October 2014
    Updated 14:29, 24 April 2015
    By Joe McGuire

    A SEA of Saltires took over Glasgow’s George Square as an estimated 7000 people turned out for the Hope Over Fear rally, led by Solidarity Scotland co-convenor Tommy Sheridan.”

    But the BBC report that an estimated 1500 (police estimate) were in attendance today,
    maybe we should ask a man who knows how many people he was looking out on today, Tommy Sheridan, if he thinks there were five and a half thousand FEWER people in George Square today than in October last year because I sure as hell couldn’t see the difference,

    If you had bothered your arse to get a camera crew in a van and drive the arduous distance of a mile and a half from pathetic Quay you would have been able to make your own estimate ,
    but that would have meant you would have been faced with lying directly instead of being able to palm off the estimate onto the police hence removing plausible deniability

    Oh before I forget
    from the Record, not exactly friends of ours
    check out the picture of the crowds folks,
    anyone able to tell the difference between the crowds in the picture and what we were part of today?
    thought not!

  124. Robert says:

    I’m with those worried about the current Wings symbol. I like the idea of wings soaring over Scotland. But birds of prey symbols are frequently used in military situations, and to suggest power or dominance. Here – and remember it’s my opinion only – you’re trying not to show power or dominance, but being “above”. So maybe gull wings, or swift wings?

    More power to your elbow, Stuart, and thanks for it all.

  125. Lenny Hartley says:

    We had all the stuff about the wings logo last year, get used to it.

  126. JLT says:

    Aye …they were a tad unhappy for a lot that had just ‘won’.

    Makes you wonder what they would have been like if they had ‘lost’

    But then again …maybe that was the slow realisation for all the Unionists in these photos; that it was beginning to dawn on them that they had won a pyrrhic victory, and that nothing from that day on was ever going to be the same again …ever!

  127. yesindyref2 says:

    I was just short of 4 hours in Freedom Square, left just before 4 to get train home. I don’t know, maybe it’s the atmosphere, half-listening to speeches, looking at people, but having time to peacefully think, and I can’t help feeling that what I was thinking 3, nearly 4 years ago when posting in the Guardian (dadsarmy) is even more valid today than ever.

    I worked freelance in Germany for a big blue, and they had this relationship with the union, whereby they agreed work terms amd even big project needs in terms of the employees – overtime or not, mainly. And from what I heard other companies had the same easy relationship. I think that was backed with legislation though.

    So basically it seems to me, that if you take the Tories Trade Union Bill, but upend it, and agree it with the unions, but also incorporate working practices for employers, again with their agreement, you’ve got a very good setup for businesses being able to do business and make profit, but workers and their rights being looked after.

    Well, that will never happen in Westminster, not even with Labour. There’s no interest or will for it to happen.

    So, what’s needed for Scotland to be able to implement such an arrangement? Ummm, errr, I dunno 🙂

  128. john king says:

    What Jingly jangly said. 🙂

  129. yesindyref2 says:

    Without giving the game away, I wonder if certain parties aren’t involved in a little bit of misdirection? See what the right hand is doing, watch it carefully, nothing in that hand, oh whoops, what WAS my left hand doing?

  130. thomaspotter2014 says:

    I think the Rev can have whatever fucking logo he wants.

    End of.

  131. john king says:

    “, and that nothing from that day on was ever going to be the same again …ever!”

    Sometimes JLT
    you just get to the core of the matter in a sentence!

  132. yesindyref2 says:

    @Lenny Hartley
    Yes I remember the logo stuff, I seem to remember I got beaten up by the rev 🙂

    Most unusual behaviour for him.

  133. michael diamond says:

    The ebc and media cover up of those nazi saluting thugs was absolutely shameful. Joseph goebbels would have been proud of those propagandist scum.

  134. Alan Mackintosh says:

    All this stuff about the logo was dealt with last year. As others have said, if people balk at Wings over a perceived association with national socialism that betrays their ignorance in both the imagery used and in the wider use of winged logos, all of which was covered before. I would suggest that it comes from prejudices either from the press or vestiges of the “yes anti wings rhetoric that was coming out of yes ha.

    A great day in George Sq. today. Good to meet Ronnie Anderson, Brian Dtt, John King, nana smith and mr smith, Ian B, Jim thomson, x sticks. and even the fabulous Paula Rose.

  135. JLT says:

    @ John King

    Hi John …well, something upset them! LOL

    Been back for a couple of hours after being in Glasgow. A brilliant. Great catching up with so many folk again.

    See you next week in Edinburgh at the Wings do!

  136. GallusEffie says:

    @Moidart yes, most remiss of me not to thank Ronnie by name for Joff’s badge. I shall put it on his daysack (his dayservice manager is a firm Yesser so she’ll be dead chuffed too)

    Thankyou Ronnie x

    Like I said – the spider is a perfect metaphor for a laddie that tries hard every day of his life.

  137. Lenny Hartley says:

    yesindyref2 yeah the rev let it be known he was not for changing it, 🙂 Ive got a big wos logo on the front of my van somebody has already defaced it by drawing a swastika on it.
    John King, trust you enjoyed today, never made it, passed through Glasgow on route
    to get some race fuel for one of my motorbikes but no time to stop, the downside of living
    on an Island…..

  138. Hoss Mackintosh says:

    Great Day at Freedom Square with my brother “Woody Alan”.

    Wee Niall managed to blag some badges from the Winger stall and had a ball. Even pinched my Paula Rose badge.

    Great to meet up with Wingers from all across the country.

  139. walter scott says:

    There isn’t much that can surprise anymore. But, we must keep fighting for more balance from our media. The mutants in the videos were holding better together posters & wearing No Thanks T shirts. Did Darling, Brown or any of the other leading lights come out to condemn the people who brought fear, intimidation and violence onto the streets of Glasgow? Did they think they should rein them in? Did anyone from bt think that the ugly mob were in any way connected to bt? Or was it a case of,, Job Done, who cares what happens now? Anyway, we can get our tame media to say it was just as bad from the Yes side.
    Sturgeon & Salmond before her were always grilled about online bullying & were asked repeatedly to condemn it even if little evidence existed of threats.
    Here we have real intimidation. Physical intimidation. Menacing intimidation.
    Much as I don’t care for anyone in the leadership of BT I wouldn’t hold them responsible for the behaviour these unionist animals. It seems that our media didn’t think bt were in any way to blame either. Johann Lamont, before the vote accused Salmond of orchestrating the online campaign by cybernats.
    Will the bbc & all other news outlets start treating us like adults. The magnifying of any transgression by snp or Yes but ignoring the huge amount of unionist misbehaviour is now a widely held view that won’t be easily shaken off. Thankfully the new media is now more trusted than the old.

  140. The Moidart says:

    @ Effie.. Well said. Was great to meet you all. It was actually Joff I recognised. Glad you made it through.

    I met many people today I’ve never met before and was privileged to do so. I feel good about things. I think independence is inevitable now. But these narrow minded clowns will do everything in their power to make the transition as difficult as possible. Arseholes!!

    See you at the next rally I hope. Katie, Mr Effie and the bold Joff too.

  141. shug says:

    There is a real need for material explaining to staunch unionists how Westminster has betrayed them
    Be it regiments
    Football and sports
    QE ii

  142. GallusEffie says:


    Yes, I’m positive we’ll meet again.

    Funny you should say that about Joff, it seems a common theme with children & young adults with disabilities, they inspire so many people in the community, I often get “strangers” coming up and greeting Joff asking me how he’s doing, I don’t know them from Adam…the young people having their own wee celebrity status. Not the first time I’ve been relegated by Joff! Love him.

  143. Flower of Scotland says:

    Thanks Lollysmum for link to Indy Live funder. They did a fantastic job this afternoon bringing us the Hope over Fear Rally to those who couldn’t go.

  144. Robert Louis says:

    Shug at 1117pm,

    Wholly agree. Part of the problem is that Scots in general are oblivious to the many ways in which they are short changed – paying for the upgrade of London’s sewers, or the London crossrail project for example.

    A concise book, setting out such facts, about how the vow has been undelivered, and how Scottish taxpayers money continues to be squandered on London infrastructure projects would be simply excellent.

  145. Andy says:

    This was painful viewing first time around as the images flashed across Twitter. But for me it was enough for the fire in my belly to return.

    In the early hours of 19th September my thoughts were of disillusionment and a resignation that we now had put independence behind us and look to get the best we could for Scotland within the UK.

    And then there was this rubbing our noses in it that appeared to being reported across the world with one exception. I wonder where eh?

    The resolve was back. I sent off my application to join the SNP that night and the fight was back on once more.

  146. Robert Louis says:

    galamcennalath at 826pm,

    I wholly agree with you. The Scotland act in its current form is a joke, but a very damaging joke. As you rightly say, no Government in its right mind would ever accept the imposition of legislation to impoverish its country.

    It is truly an indication of just how much a cesspit Westminster is, that despite winning the referendum, London just cannot be adult enough to realise that if they truly delivered the ‘vow’ i.e full home rule, the desire for indyref 2 might disappear. Instead, yet again Westminster treats the Scots as fools, thinking that by merely saying ‘they have delivered the ‘vow’ Scots will fall for it.

    As the recent poll shows, almost all Scots realise the vow was just one big lie, courtesy of our unionist loving red and blue tory chums in Scotland and at Westminster.

    To this day, I still cannot fathom unionists (especially Labour) from Scotland, who are happy to short change and impoverish their own country, Scotland, just to keep their undemocratic union and London rule. It really is bizarre. Why would any sane person choose to do damage to the very country in which they and their children live.

    Unionists in Scotland have a very bizarre concept of ‘self’.

  147. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi Onwards (hours ago – I’m not long home from Glasgow.)

    “Guy at 0:37 with the Eng-Ger-Land chants”

    We stayed to the very end so we could see Gerry Cinnamon. At some point, around the back of 6, Tommy Sheridan asked for a minute’s silence to show solidarity with the refugees heading for the EU. (We were still at the site of the Wings stall, at Sir Walter Scott’s feet.)

    As has been typed above, the police had a generally laid-back approach. I didn’t actually see any wandering about in our vicinity until later in the afternoon. Most were wandering around in pairs but there was an inspector (? – white band on the peak of his cap), who was wandering about on his own, blethering with the pairs – and being accosted by a Yesser who wanted a selfie with him.

    Just as the minute’s silence began, a couple of individuals came into the square from the south side. One of them was obviously (going by his accent) from another, more southern part, of the UK and shouted out “ENGERLUND! Britain’s better together!”

    Two pairs of our finest started walking towards them, from around 50 yards away, formed into a line of four, and ‘forced’ them back, from whence they had come. The more sober, non-shouty one, was by this time, walking backwards, dragging his ‘friend’ and shouting towards the four saviours of the silence, “We’re really sorry…”

    The police corralled them right back to the street, where the pair turned and headed across the road, in front of a double-decker.

    I thought, “Wouldn’t that be poetic justice.” but they, somehow, got across the road without incident.

    I did hear that there were no arrests within the square, the whole day, but britnats were stopped (as mentioned in previous posts here) before they could cause disruption.

  148. ClanDonald says:

    This is actually the first time I’ve seen images of the full enormity of what happened in George Square in the hours following the indyref but it’s still a bit of a shock.

    I hadn’t seen any images of the obey your queen stuff or the smoke canisters. Or the violence in Buchanan Street.

    No doubt I have the MSM to thank for not bothering to publish any of this at the time. But a year on and I’m kind of glad I didn’t see it then.

    What a contrast from the lovely festival atmosphere in George Square today.

  149. Footsoldier says:

    During the referendum I had lots of refusals to take WBB’s because the front cover looked very “Germanic”. Definitely change the emblem next time.

  150. Fred says:

    Anent the Wings logo, if you put your thumb over the lions head n tail it turns onto a hunting owl 🙂 Whooooooooooo we never sleep!

  151. Lochside says:

    Returning to the subject of this thread: Who organised this lumpen mob of loyalists to turn up and attack innocent young Scots in the Square?

    Police Scotland must have known it was planned. I found the ‘Scottish Loyalist’ site in seconds which urged attacks on ‘Jacobites’ and ‘fenians’. I also texted the information at the time to the BBC.

    I believe that Police collusion allowed this to occur…don’t tell me that it wasn’t predictable…..fifty or so turned up the night before, but outnumbered…clustered at the corner of the city chambers.

    The ensuing silence of msm and Unionist politicians was predictable…but why did the SNP not kick up a row over it? And why were there not mass arrests? No-one has ever been done for conspiracy, yet if this had been a football inspired riot, there would have been salutary sentences handed out to ringleaders.

    To have allowed this disgraceful, neo-Nazi display of disgusting racist and sectarian intimidation and violence in the centre of our biggest city, should have been sufficient for House and his coterie of metropolitan police pals to get their marching orders.

    When Unionists talk about the ‘schism’ in Scottish society since the Referendum, they should take a long hard look at these deluded adherents of English imperialism in our society which, at the lowest level, represents the real cause of divison. As long as these neo-fascist sectarian bigots exist in organised groups and are sanctioned by institutions such as the Orange Order and Glasgow Rangers, division will continue and deepen.

    Let’s face it, unless we deal legally and through political change and social ostracisation with these groups our Independence will be tainted.

  152. Onwards says:

    Footsoldier says:
    20 September, 2015 at 11:07 am
    During the referendum I had lots of refusals to take WBB’s because the front cover looked very “Germanic”. Definitely change the emblem next time.


    I like the logo, but agree there is a similarity that may be a problem for some. And when YES supporters are already smeared as nazis by idiots, why give them anything that can play into that in the slightest?

  153. Undeadshaun says:

    They look awfully like zombytron fans, who are also orange lodge members, which I suspect majority are.

  154. Angra Mainyu says:

    Brilliant post, Rev. Inspirational.

    Can’t think of a better response to the onanism of Loki.

  155. wilf james says:

    I wonder how many of these people have been sanctioned or a loved relative lose mobility benefit.I wonder if they have lost there job as steel or oil workers. Finally I wonder if any of them have the wits too realise this has happened because of there vote.

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