To last throughout the years
We’re not often genuinely shocked, readers.
But then we switched on BBC1 Northern Ireland today.
And what we found was the state broadcaster devoting most of its morning schedule to “celebrating the culture” of the 36% of the population of the province who describe themselves as “Unionist”.
[EDIT 13 July: an alert reader points out that according to the latest data the figure is just 29%, with 24% considering themselves “Nationalist” and 46% saying “Neither”.]
This mostly took the form of a 75-minute live programme simply called “The Twelfth”, televising a series of Orange marches in Belfast and Lisbellaw, a small village in Co. Fermanagh, deep in the predominantly Sinn Fein-voting south-west.
But contrary to what one might normally expect from a news outlet required by charter to be impartial, there would be no mention of that fact by the BBC. The entire show passed without even the tiniest passing acknowledgement that the parades might be in any way contentious, or anything other than a delightful and colourful family day out. The exciteable-puppy tone of the reporting was more along the lines of the London Marathon or a Royal Wedding than a gathering of a highly political organisation.
The presenters were especially keen to repeatedly highlight, with open approval, the importance of encouraging young children to take up the banners of bigotry from a very early age to ensure the continuation of “tradition”.
(One interviewee emphasised the use of bouncy castles. Honestly.)
One woman said she didn’t care about anything else – what that “anything else” might have been was coyly avoided – and was only there for the music (which went “BANG BANG BANG PEEP PEEP PEEEEP BANG BANG BANG”, on a loop, forever).
Readers will never guess which Scottish football club was well represented.
The camera lingered lovingly on the standard of the Omagh Protestant Boys.
There was an extended interview segment with a gentleman from the “Gertrude Street Defenders” which gave viewers a detailed guide on the exact procedures for setting up your own Orange Lodge, should you wish to do so.
Nobody was very clear on precisely who they were “defending” Belfast and Lisbellaw from, or who it was they were reluctant to “surrender” to. A casual onlooker might well assume – from the prominence of the word “Protestant” on the banners and flags and drums – that it was Catholics, but nobody wanted to actually say so, or was asked.
Nobody asked why the local shops were all boarded up either.
And nobody played “The Famine Song” this time – at least, not on camera.
We didn’t hear The Orange Hokey Cokey either.
Or the celebratory community’s special adaptation of “I Think We’re Alone Now”.
Fine ancient historical traditions like the military checkpoint were marked.
At one point the BBC actually conducted an interview with “King Billy” himself, as if he were a kindly avuncular Santa Claus-type figure.
Bemused visitors from foreign countries who had no idea what was going on were dragged in front of the cameras to give the “tourist” opinion.
In a break with tradition, several women were allowed to take part in the march.
There was a guest appearance from the fabled Red Honda (Ulster).
The BBC took the chance to unveil the new presenting team for Reporting Scotland.
And tribute band The Protestant Corries.
The broadcast ended with what the presenter, a middle-aged Scottish woman called Helen Mark, described as “A few images that capture the colour and atmosphere of today’s celebrations”, including the selection below.
The South Belfast Young Conquerors were having a ball, though viewers didn’t get to learn what or who they’d conquered.
Surprisingly, the BBC didn’t choose to talk to some of the other attendees who’d come over from other parts of the UK to enjoy the festivities.
And that was that. (Except for the 40-minute highlights show later tonight.)
Almost anything we could say here would be superfluous. We could invite readers to imagine BBC Scotland devoting 115 completely uncritical minutes to live coverage of the recent 20,000-strong Yes march in Glasgow (or the Edinburgh rally in 2012) purely as family events celebrating the centuries-long history of the independence movement. But as everyone knows what they actually do, there’d be no point.
All we can really achieve is to note the event for posterity, because apparently this happens every year but we had no idea until now, when multi-regional iPlayer revealed what the state broadcaster gets up to when it thinks the rest of the UK isn’t looking.
We’re keenly looking forward to BBC America reporting the party atmosphere at the next big Ku Klux Klan event, or maybe getting Nick Griffin to anchor “The Great British National Front Rally” live from Bradford, with swastika face-painting and a singsong from the Junior Blackshirts before burning effigies of minorities.
Because frankly, after this, we’re not sure anything will ever surprise us again.
Flabbergasted, befuddled.
Oh fuck me – what a shitty piece of shit the BBC is.
FUCKING DISGUSTING
Thought it was the N I Gay Pride Parade
The weird resetting of what is normal and acceptable continues, courtesy of the BBC. ‘British’ values, huh?
these pictures say it all….words fail me
Well the had King Billy at the head
Words fail me. Wrong just wrong.
Disgusting!
May wants unrest here to be able to impose Martial Law.
She won’t be there long enough but Gove might be.
Aye but its us who are all cult members
And we’re told we’re a problem?
shakes head sadly
The BBC is fair and impartial in it’s broadcasting of programs.
Absolutely fair and impartial says the BBC. That’s you telt.
Perhaps this is part of the Tory/DUP deal. DUP are now part of the Governments and the BBC is obliged to uphold the Union.
Get used to your new masters.
Re “going home”. Don’t think those guys have thought this through.
My roots are in the 6 counties. Do Orangemen there really want more of us?
I think I am in the wrong country. Oh, wait …
I hope norn irn nationalists and republicans don’t pay these bbc b******s a licence fee.
So one and a bit billion then free air time for the 36%……
So much Better Togetherness on display there. The colour, the music, the vibrancy, the spectacle of it all. Oooohh it fair makes you proud to be British, don’t it? The best culture in the whole world – really it is.
I don’t intend to start my own lodge this side of Armageddon and Fuck the BBC.
The red honda ulster……cracker
OMG whoever he is , words cannot describe how fcuked this country is , thank you establishment , and fcuk all you naysayers who have tied us Scotland to this ever increasing madness , I sincerely hope it comes back to you in spades
Being of this side of the religious divide i can confirm that there are several alternative ways to celebrate your faith and there is no need for displays of this type anymore as all this does is confirm that the vast majority of the faiths followers are not that intelligent!
This yearly debacle does nothing but cause revulsion and is utterly egregious, reprehensible and has no place in modern society.
I have come to the conclusion that bouncy castles are always disastrous.
A hate-fest. I did go to a rally in NI once where Ian Paisley and Willie McCrae spued their scripture-riddled bile on to an adoring crowd of drunk, semi-drunk and soon-to-be-drunk of disciples. It was a simple affair, but well attended, of course. But no BBC cameras there that I can remember.
A huge section of the NI population do not pay the BBC licence
Helen Mark regularly fronts BBC SCotland’s Country File.
Of course she’s regular Ulster SCot so probably thinks this racist bigotry is normal
They are idiots but extremely dangerous idiots. I am not surprised that the many sane and decent residents of Ulster keep quiet about this. The “Loyalists”are loyal only to their bigotry and their intimidation of of their neighbours, and behind them are the violent criminal thugs who are often drug dealers, and who think nothing of murder.
Lovely people.
Ah, its that time of the year again, when we here in Donegal get swamped by refugees fleeing from the annual hatefest up North. Such a poisonous, backward excuse for culture.
As for the BBC, words fail me.
What the actual fuck…?
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Well it’s clear what’s going on now. This is to be the new ‘norm.’ The Establishment, Westminster, Tories, the BBC, are ‘desensitising’ us in preparation for full on Ulsterisation of Scotland. Plan B in relation to the scuppering of Independence as someone pointed out previously. It’s extremely telling that they’ve included someone explaining how to set up Orange Lodges and to involve children from a young age. It just makes me feel like vomiting to think that this may be their plan for our wonderful country.
Ruth Davidson has a lot to answer for and it won’t be forgotten. Meanwhile let’s all make a pact to protect Scotland from any more of this disgusting sectarian bile. Continue to work our butts off to get our Independence and complain enmasse to the BBC.
I sincerely hope this causes a MASSIVE embarrassing stooshie for the BBC.
Good post from WGD – The Walk of Shame:
link to weegingerdug.wordpress.com
Ohhhh…I’d rather wear a turban than a sash.
Reluctant Nationalist says:
12 July, 2017 at 5:13 pm
Ohhhh…I’d rather wear a turban than a sash.
Yes i agree.
I actually think we are now at the bottom of the barrel. It can’t get worse than this. What are they they thinking?
DMH. Good,us scots could learn from them. Give this Joseph goebbels organisation f/ng Nada,zilch.
“Separatists are a cult filled with obssessed weirdos” yell lots of Unionists. Meanwhile, stuff like this is going on…
What makes these bigoted and sectarian events even worse is that they are being publicised by the state broadcaster as if they are a jolly day out at the fair. Seriously, the BBC should not be endorsing the Orange Order’s activities.
A celebration of hatred and misery.
Well done BBC.
I remember (as others will).being told as a youngster,by slab that a vote for the snp would allow Catholics to be discriminated against in an indy Scotland. A dirty shower of slab b******s whom my hatred has no bounds for.
You pay the licence, this is what you fund.
Simples.
Yes I recall the “reasonable” among us saying that, me, and many others attending protests at BBC Pacific Quay, wasn’t the way to act. persuasion of the BBC management on impartiality was the best approach.Still hold to that view?
I really do now believe we need to be ultra vigilant of the media and the BBC.
Ulsterisation of Scottish politics, who said that? Who. after, what 2/3 years of weekend semaphore TA games in the Campsies, is now a TA Colon..el? Why? Who, after but a few years in the Tory Scottish party branch is now the leader? Why? Has an ambitious, verbose fool been found by the westminster Elite,and is now being used?
Over-promoted,ambitious,incompetent persons are a danger.They know not what they do.
I know quite a number of red , white and blue yooniists whose granny was fae Ulstur, who detest the SNP and Scottish independence yet quietly tell you that they have a Irish Republic passport.– for business reasons.
Do you think it’s the same granny?
Talking of flags earlier, since labour and the Tories have banned the saltire in North Ayrshire does that mean Largs Viking Festival can only wave the Norwegian flag? What about the lion rampant? I’ll ask the guy in charge.—– hells bells its the labour yoon Alex Gallagher. Red ensign here we come!
A wee look at the future of BONNIE SCOTLAND courtesy of the unionist Labour, Tolies , Lie Dums ,and the super duper lying corrupt Brutish Beligerant Cnuts allied to the Dup,
Nicola the urgency has an increased priority. GET US OUT OF THIS LUNATIC ASYLUM
Red Honda Ulster is best said in a NI accent
Surely it is criminally illegal to promote racial and religious hatred.
Or is the law on this issue in NI different?
Serious question.
Disgusting.
I can imagine ‘Ruthie’ smirking at the BBC’s free platform for the bigot, and considering what next she can do to undermine a nation’s democratic progress.
I’m always cynical about people who don’t understand she is encouraging the worst in people.
No time to scan the posts , so i’ll post this in case its not been posted before .
europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-17-2001_en.htm
I assume this was one of the bribes for the DUP helping the Tories having these sectarian live on the BBC. So the BBC is a tool of the May Government. We knew that anyway.
They got a nice day for it.
If only the SNP were as dedicated to Scottish independence as some people are to The Union in Ulster and the West of Scotland.
Could you imagine the SNP doing anything on this scale to promote independence?
When pro-independence events take place, the SNP politicians are ofren conspicuous by their absence.
Too busy enjoying their lucrative salaries from the British state as administrators of Westminster devolution.
This is a truly sinister turn of events in this annual hatefest, it feels different this year. The thugs are somewhat more emboldened in their disgusting show of hatred and intolerance.
What reason on earth could the state broadcaster have to try and legitimize these walks of shame. Having the LOL appear with Beattie on Radio Shortbread and now this a full blown reverential showing of this on BBC TV.
This is very worrying for any right minded person. Are we really going to have to go through another season of ‘The Billy Boys’ being streamed in to our living rooms with not a word spoken against or any sanction taken..
The lunatics have taken over the asylum 🙁
Jason smoothpiece. 5.33pm. Oh believe me Jason,it’s going to get a lot worse than it is. You ain’t seen nothing yet thanks to the tory (loyalist) voters of the Scottish colony.
@ ronnie anderson – interesting memo from the EU. I thought this para was particularly interesting:
Once triggered, can Article 50 be revoked?
It was the decision of the United Kingdom to trigger Article 50. But once triggered, it cannot be unilaterally reversed. Article 50 does not provide for the unilateral withdrawal of the notification.
I think as others have posted on here,before an indy ref2 takes place. The SG should issue a statement saying,there will be no ulsterisation of Scottish politics in an indy Scotland. And a non sectarian Scottish defence force will do what is necessary to stamp out any shows of force by paramilitary forces. Marches parades or otherwise.
CA 6.48pm. Gie it a rest Colin.
Well fuck me , I just never new they had the technology for colour images in the 17th century!
Grouse beater 6.43pm. Aye but what she is not taking on board,is that she might encourage the worst in someone who doesn’t agree with her political views. Dangerous ground.
Don’t pay it any more. I still watch live tv like the tennis today. I don’t close my blinds. If they turn up on my doorstep, they’ll be told to fuck off and told I’m not going to finance lies, propaganda and the glorification of bigotry. If they send me anything in writing, it will get binned.
Can you imagine being a catholic on this “glorious day” in Northern Ireland? Then juxtaposition the recent suggestion from some Unionist fruitcake that Ireland should leave the EU and join with the UK! The children!? Don’t even get me started, poor bastards. This is one seriosly disfunctional disunited Kingdom.
I wonder what the coverage would look like if a parade here featured lots of people in brown shirts?
Harry get a pitbull dog lives here sign. Lol. That’ll shift the feckers.
The BBC has really stooped to new levels by portraying this sickening anti-Catholic hate-fest as if this is some positive contribution to society. There is a Boycott the Sun newspaper campaign on the go at the moment so why not a Boycott the BBC campaign with everyone encouraged to withhold the license fee?
They are now beyond the pale.
When will the BBC show the same reverence to the Ku Klux Klan. An offspring of the same Orange Order.
Can’t claim to have read every single one of the 4.5k posts on WOS, but I’ve read most. This one has left me nauseous, and that is NOT an exaggeration.
GA Ponsonby is close to launching a fundraiser for a fresh, comprehensive monitoring of BBC output. Some Wingers have expressed reservations about the project, but others are getting involved. Prof John Roberston is still suffering ill-health after being targeted by the BBC when he dared publish *academic* findings on pre-indyref bias, and he was widely ridiculed by some who should have known better. Worse, he was all-but abandoned by his media-studies peers when he needed their support most.
Those who should have spoken out three, four years ago must not remain silent – hatchets must be buried and egos set aside unless we want to see the ‘Troubles’ erupting in Scotland. It’s pretty clear what The Establishment is up to. Indeed, it’s so blatant that very few individuals – whether they’re interested in ‘politics’ or not – can claim they haven’t been warned.
The reporter tells us that the live images are being streamed ‘right around the world’. Quite- and the world is thinking can the reputation of the British state and its broadcaster sink any lower.
In the interest of fair and balanced reporting BBC Scotland should stream images of the next Indy march ‘right around the world’.
One thing puzzles me. They are staunch British Nationalists so it makes sense they wave their Union Flag. However, why do they wave Saltires?
Across Scotland the Saltire is the symbol of Scotland’s new found national confidence and self respect. I’m not talking specifically about the Indy movement but the widespread acceptance of our nationhood.
What do these über Unionists believe our Saltire symbolises?
@galamcennalath – the Scottish football team probably. Or a Scottish football team anyway…
I’m just back from a few days at family home town of Newry Northern Ireland/ Ireland. I saw a few parade members at Belfast airport etc so decided to watch some of the coverage today out of interest. Trying not to be biased in any way it did seem like a family atmosphere etc to an extent, however, the coverage was rather bizarre, as the piece said as if it was the London Marathon or the Boat Race. Look here’s a nice wee family from Paisley all sporting matching We Are The People t shirts etc. The professional BBC journalists interview with King Billy was bizarre in the extreme and actually quite funny, strangely nobody present mentioned that he was actually supported by the Pope at the time. Two observations though which I found disturbing are firstly, the BBC and interviewees actively encouraging children to join the Orange Order, wow! Secondly I didn’t spot one black face in the crowd all day. In Newry I saw plenty of black people but strangely not one at the “cultural celebration ” broadcast today. It’d make zero difference if this was an NRA March or something more sinister.
Ian brotherhood, i think rather than lose Scotland and it’s assets,westminster would rather plunge us into sectarian conflict,and use it as an excuse to send in their armed forces to do to the Scottish nationalist community,what they did to the Irish nationalist community. Be very afraid.
galamcennalath says:
12 July, 2017 at 7:53 pm
However, why do they wave Saltires?
I’ve seen photos of Tories campaigning with Saltires too. I could be wrong but I think this is a new thing. Probably trying to reclaim it, or dilute its meaning or something.
re the OO walks, as someone has said up thread, its hard to imagine republicans with tricolours, or independence campaigners with Saltires, who are expressing their cultural heritage just as much as the OO, getting any coverage at all. Only ‘British’ cultural heritage is approved.
Interestingly, they never wave the Welsh dragon. The Union Jack, the England flag, the Ulster flag and the Saltire all get besmirched by their grubby hands, but the Welsh dragon escapes. Lucky Wales.
Phronesis 7.50pm. Ah but the rest of the world probably thinks (wrongly)that this is a British love fest. You can bet that auntie hasn’t shown them the bonfires with the Polish,irish,kat (kill all Taigs) flags etc.etc. f/ng scum propaganda ebc.
a)I too was aghast when one of the presenters suggested that those images were being broadcast “around the world.”
Wouldn’t Murdo be proud?
b) What leads Phronesis to think that BBC Scotland has any remote interest or commitment to “fair and balanced reporting when our day to day experience is so contrary to that ideal
This should be a performance in a Zoo where the wild beasts are safe behind bars.
For the price of a junior uniform, a drum, a flute, or a flag, the young feed on their parent’s Sectarian Hate
They learn to embrace Racism, Homophobia, and a belief that they are part of a superior race with a superior religion that reigns over all others.
The Future is Shi*e, the future is Orange!
So this is what Elizabeth Saxe Coburg’s province has come to. Any of that in Scotland and I am off to join the Catalans.
Have to say that in (now Tory)North East nobody gets it. I don’t even know if my neighbours go to church, never mind which one.
O/T I wrote to Duguid MP asking him to demand that Scotland get the same money per head as NI. I have not had the courtesy of an acknowledgement, never mind a response.
Ian Brotherhood says:
12 July, 2017 at 7:46 pm
‘GA Ponsonby is close to launching a fundraiser for a fresh, comprehensive monitoring of BBC output. Some Wingers have expressed reservations about the project, but others are getting involved. ‘
I’m going to support it. His book ‘how the BBC won the referendum’ is superb and it just scratches the surface. Loughborough University have been doing good work too, like this
link to blog.lboro.ac.uk
We need data and academic rigour, otherwise we are just more people saying the BBC is biased. Everybody thinks the BBC is biased against them, even Tories! Its human nature, we dont notice when they are favouring us but we sure as hell notice when they dont. Its complicated because you have to consider what they could have reported but didnt, as well as the balance in what they did.
@ Mike Cassidy at 6:36pm …. “Surely it’s criminally illegal to promote racial and religious hatred.”
Good point Mike. The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006, for example inciting hatred on the grounds of religion, applies to England and Wales. I don’t think that we have an equivalent law here. Someone may correct me on that. What we do see is that when the SNP try to deal with the issue, to some extent, the Unionists and Greens are hellbent on scuppering it. However putting that to one side still begs the question as to why the BBC, based in England, is getting away with promoting such a hatefest for the first time as far as I know? This of course has been par for the course with Westminster’s actions worldwide, in particular when countries have made moves to get their Independence. Let’s hope that someone will take the BBC to task on this, better still to Court.
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@ Marcia at 6:48pm …. “DUP bribes.”
That’s what this boils down to Marcia. Wee sneaky verbal agreements. Tories via BBC / MSM in general to promote the Orange Order, “Now is not the time” for Scotland progressing to “No surrender, ever” and probably the abolishment of the Parades Commission.
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On the BBC website: Nicola is going to Brussels on Thursday morning to meet Barnier prior to the second round of UK/EU negotiations next week. Now wait for this ………. The Scottish Libdems have urged Nicola to push for an acknowledgment that Brexit can be cancelled and that the British people should have the final say on whatever deal is negotiated. Beggars bl**dy belief.
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The news on STV was very positive tonight for a change. Unemployment at an all time low, inward investment on the up and up etc, etc. Then we got hit with the downer. Another ‘wait for it’ moment ……… TOO MANY tourists are visiting Edinburgh. Tourists were interviewed and love the place, people, history, architecture and culture, however the boss of Historic Edinburgh, a guy with an English accent, said that Edinburgh can’t cope. Edinburgh has to consider the indigenous population in relation to housing, hotels etc.
This is not a new thing, and the BBC’s comprehensive coverage had nothing to do with the Tory/DUP deal. The BBC in Northern Ireland have always covered the July 12th marches, reflecting the Orange Order’s status in NI’s culture, politics AND governance – the Order was once an actual part of the decision and policy making structure of the Ulster Unionist Party, the governing party throughout Northern Ireland’s history until the old Stormont was proprogued. You can be damned sure the the OO had members in the BBC hierarchy during that time.
…disgusted by the bigots…but even more disgusted by the BBC!
Crossing the Water
Oor Billy left his ain fireside
In Govan by the River Clyde
With sash and flute and sky-blue coat
Set off for Stranraer and the boat.
July the Twelfth it was the date
And he was off to celebrate
In Belfast by the River Laggan
The festival of Knuckle Draggin’
With Billy, comrades loyal and true,
Defenders ‘gainst the Papist crew.
From Ayr, Coatbridge and fair Larkhall
They rallied to the sacred call.
No common ordinary team
They really were the Orange cream.
Their spirits rose as sea miles passed
With Special Brew and sweet Buckfast
The hours flew by in song and jest
And how King Billy was the best.
And each compared their Loyal tattoos
Till sleep descended full of booze.
Now at the dawn they proudly sat,
With banner flute and bowler hat.
“Right Lads! Tak up yer flutes and drum.
We’ll let them know the Billys come.
So doon the gangway tae The Sash.
Sandy! Gie the drum a bash!”
So proud they marched along the quay,
As usual just a touch off key
But something was a wee bit troublin’
A board said “WELCOME, FRIENDS TO DUBLIN!”
So if you go to Dublin City
It really would be quite a pity,
To miss the latest thing on view
In that fine city’s splendid zoo,
For lurking in their fetid lairs
Are several troops of Orange Bears!
And you can be damn sure the OO still does have members in the BBC hierarchy now, and not just BBC NI either.
In all honesty I’ll bet that the queen is actually completely embarrassed by what goes for loyalty in N Ireland.
If the recent subliminal wearing of the Euro Union colours at Parliament is any indicator then I’m also willing to bet that she is a reasonable person.
Of course she wouldn’t be able to openly express her thoughts but who wouldn’t be completely embarrassed by these Loyalist goons.
It’s probably worth starting a petition similar to the one about the DUP/Tory agreement, to have the Queen publicly disown these organisations in the name of community cohesion and a tolerant society.
It’s clear the media and the BBC in particular have been instructed to ‘normalise’ the OO with positive reporting. They are putting their back into this, but we can all see the pictures and how corrupt the establishment is when it needs to retain power.
There is only one answer to this for Scotland, but are the public awake enough to understand. To be honest the Tories are rightfully taking the flak but there is a strange silence from the other parties.
We need to make these type of celebrations illegal in an independent Scotland, no events that are based on the demeaning of any other section of the community. The SNP have nothing to lose here, I can’t imagine they receive a single OO vote.
They should be called the Billy Broadcasting Corporation
@Sunshine on Crieff (8.24) –
That’s an important point which needs clarification for many of us.
BBC NI has covered this event in similar style previously? If so, that should be acknowledged. I’ve never ever been aware of it being given live coverage by the BBC as a ‘cultural event’, and I certainly don’t remember it ever being commented-on as such in here.
That’s it – I’ve reached my red line. Totally disgusted. Have put up with anti Scottish/anti SNP/anti independence bias etc etc from BBC for so long but this is in a different league.
Letter going to BBC explaining why I am no longer paying licence fee. NEVER going to subsidise this level of depravity.
chris kilby says:
12 July, 2017 at 5:00 pm
I sincerely hope this causes a MASSIVE embarrassing stooshie for the BBC.
BBC London was told to order it
Hey, Colin your getting mair Rock than Hard Place, and the pair of
are just intensely boring. Why don’t you both go and start an online outlet soemwhere.
Share the readership stats every month will you. Otherwise…
ronnie anderson says:
“12 July, 2017 at 6:48 pm
No time to scan the posts , so i’ll post this in case its not been posted before .”
link to europa.eu
I think this is the full clickable link Ronnie poster earlier.
Ian Brotherhood at 8:44 pm
Also, has it got bigger this year ? I’ve been aware of the marches before but so many? Have the bonfires always been that size? They are ridiculous, and in ridiculous places. Has it always been like that, or have they been boosted this year by the Tory/DUP deal and the end of power-sharing?
NI usually gets zilch coverage so we wouldnt know.
Shocked and thoroughly sickened by the coverage.
To see racists and bigots bringing their children into the ‘fold’
– surely a form of abuse ?
@Glamaig –
Ditto – don’t recall ever seeing such huge piles of pallets. (Depressingly, they are reminiscent of ancient Scottish brochs…)
🙁
Would it be an appropriate time to raise a wee glass and salute the ‘little Gentleman in the black velvet coat’?
@mike d says: 12 July, 2017 at 7:17 pm:
“CA 6.48pm. Gie it a rest Colin.”
I had not intended to ever make reply or reference to that bloody idiot ever again, mike. I will, however make a salient comment just this once.
Leave the bloody fool along, mike, for he will do far less harm to the cause of Scottish independence here on a blog of mainly dedicated indy supporters than he will perhaps accomplish among those who would see our cause fail. We do NOT though, have to encourage him further than we already have. done.
It is one thing to engage with these people until they are encouraged enough to openly show their hand.
After they have shown their real objectives to the less aware you then just ignore them and let then get on with it here where they can do less harm.
It’s like my old Grandfather used to say when I was a wee laddie running around the farmyard getting into mischief:-
“Leave the wee laddie alain, it keeps him oot o the road o the fairm cairts.”
@Ian Brotherhood
I’ve been looking into when all this started. As far as I can make out the first programme of “The Twelfth” on BBC was in 2007, the same year that Ian Paisley of the DUP became First Minister of Northern Ireland.
Coincidence? I think not. So I’ve emailed the BBC earlier today
before I’d did much research with a FOI request as questions need to be answered. Such as why does the state broadcaster subject people to this shite!
Under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 please provide answers to the following questions relating to a programme broadcast today (12/07/17) in Northern Ireland called “The Twelfth”.
1. This programme has ran since at least 2015. On what date was this programme first commissioned?
2. Which individual or group requested or suggested that this programme be made?
3. Which individual or group within the BBC was responsible for commissioning the programme.
I look forward to your response.
Sick of this so I am and I’m going to let them know it.
@heraldnomore
Someone else said the same. Only one SNP MSP: Sandra White came to talk to the recent pro-indy marchers.
I’ve already sung that lady’s praises on this site. I think she is a fantastic MSP who has never lost touch with the people. Down to earth and cares.
I’m happy to admit Nicola Sturgeon knocks her pan in with the work she does at election time and you see by the end, she’s exhausted looking, but too many of the rest of the professional SNP politicians?
Too many leave it to the unpaid volunteers to do all the work.
Too many SNP politicians now regard themselves as VIPs it seems.
As if they are too important to walk on the streets with the plebs in support of independence.
Anyone, lets see lots of proof to refute these allegations, instead of threats. I’m willing to be proved wrong.
Another thing, the BBC claim to keep you the license payer up to date with FOI requests if you want them, even states “You can also subscribe to our RSS (news) feed to see the latest disclosures that we have made in response to requests.”
Yet go on their website and you’ll find that the most recent disclosures under FOI are from 2014!! What’s the point of that?
link to bbc.co.uk
I guess the grassroots Yes movement had something to do with that. Overwhelmed and forced to retreat. Oh and a by the way I posted a while ago, the latest figures for non payment of the telly tax in households were Scotland 10%, NI 9%, E&W 6%.
“Special circumstances” apparently in NI and Scotland.
Robert Peffers 9.01 Thanks for the correction Robert . I knocked of the http before I posted
Why so much concern about the OO on here? I don’t get it.
Okay, I can understand you don’t like it, despise it even.
However, these ( the Scottish version) are people that you will never convert to YES or very few of them.
So much publicity for them does nothing for the independence cause. I feel it just gives them more publicity and could be counterproductive.
Scottish hate crime legislation is currently under review.
The relevant page as of 07/07/17.
link to archive.is
As for Northern Ireland.
Well, here’s a link to the relevant police page.
link to archive.is
“Nobody deserves this and nobody deserves to get away with it”</b"
Laugh or cry?
Scottish hate crime legislation is currently under review.
The relevant page as of 07/07/17.
link to archive.is
As for Northern Ireland.
Well, here’s a link to the relevant police page.
link to archive.is
“Nobody deserves this and nobody deserves to get away with it”
Laugh or cry?
@Robert Peffers
I agree with you. Anyone that does not like what I say, please ignore what I write.
Or if you think my comment is untrue, refute it with facts. Prove to everyone that I’m talking mince, if I am.
Don’t waste time with insults or threats, as that just encourages me.
“Jist leezalane”.
@Glamaig
Many of the Ulster Unionists are descendants of Scots sent to colonise Ireland in the plantations.
They are proud of their Scottish ancestry / heritage so use the Saltire.
As the rev stu wrote “this happens every year”
I hosted a house-party about 4-5 years ago
My European guests had heard a lot about the glorious 12th and were keen to see it – but not keen enough to get up early, seek parking places and turn out for the event itself.
We watched it on the BBC.
One man, a retired intelligence officer, was flabbergasted.He sat up straight in his armchair “What kind of state allows this” he muttered.”Would never happen in my country”
A couple of the ladies enjoyed the pagentry in the country parades “Aren’t the horses lovely” “look at his hat”
All were very turned off by what they watched. They said:
“it’s really horrible”.
“switch it off”
“they celebrate this?”
“And put it on the BBC?”
So, this is part of the price demanded by the DUP as part of their supporting an illegitimate government, and the BBC rolls over at the request of their Tory masters.
Am confused ? Why are the Ulster Scots descendants of the “planted” in Ireland, telling the indigenous Irish of Ireland to “go home” to….er…..Ireland ?
So I think this programme started in 2007 when Ian Paisley became First Minister.
I wonder then if the Brit establishment also didn’t want an Independent Ireland as that kind of thought could easily spread throughout the UK including Scotland.
Wild speculation indeed but there is no doubt that the BBC have been a key player in keeping NI under DUP control. We thought it was just us too that were subject to the propaganda and brainwashing of the BBC.
Ditch it, give them nothing. Don’t be paying for lies to be broadcast straight into your living rooms. Losing control is what they fear most, so take the control away. You own it.
Glad I’ve never funded this.
Stop paying the telly tax now. With a change in habits it’s perfectly legal to do so if it worries you.
Meanwhile, with 10% of households in Scotland (higher even than NI) not paying the tax, there’s even less chance they’ll get round to knocking your door anyway.
Excellent book “Irish” by John Burrowes who estimates that a quarter of the Irish who fled the Famine to Glasgow were Protestants. Their descendants nooadays look a bit over-nourished!
When I was a child and youth, the only time we saw most of the Orangeists in the kirk was when the ludge had a church parade. They did not hold to, or even know, the beliefs of the churches. They were not Protestant Christians; they were merely anti-Roman Catholics. It seems that that is still so today.
Why do not the churches in N Ireland and Scotland speak out against Orange-ism? Why do they not teach a way of love to the Orangeists?
When I was a child and youth, the only time we saw most of the Orangeists in the kirk was when the ludge had a church parade. They did not hold to, or even know, the beliefs of the churches. They were not Protestant Christians; they were merely anti-Roman Catholics. It seems that that is still so today.
Why do not the churches in N Ireland and Scotland speak out against Orange-ism? Why do they not teach a way of love to the Orangeists?
Any thoughts Folks?
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@Thepnr –
Cheers for doing that digging.
BBC NI has been delivering this stuff for a full decade then?
No doubt this coverage ticks some boxes to do with ‘cultural diversity’, ‘voices in regions’ etc etc, all ‘positives’.
Here’s one I’ve mentioned before, but is apt: 20 years ago I went, with my brother, to a BBC event in Edinburgh aiming to interest young writers in doing original drama for radio. The guy leading the thing was a prominent BBC producer. It was all very slick and interesting.
Come the Q&A session, he was asked what would improve the chances of an ‘on-spec’ submission clearing the first hurdles. He mentioned a few obvious things, then said, ‘Be careful in your choice of accents. For example, Northern Irish accents tend to be, well, not easy on the ear, if I can put it like that. Our research tells us that listeners tend to reach for the off-button or switch stations.’ Cue nervous laughter from the audience…
This was said in a public forum. There may well have been ‘young people’ from N Ireland in that lecture theatre – if so, they went away with a pretty clear idea of how much their stories/experiences were valued by the venerable BBC. I won’t name the dude but if Grouse Beater reads this then I’m sure he’ll back-up what I’m saying as reflective of BBC attitudes ‘back then’. There’s scant reason to believe they’ve changed a jot.
What an unbelievable obscenity this is….deliberately characterising a hatefest as some kind of exciting cultural event!
If any kind of legal action required justification for action against the BBC, then this is it.
30 years of civil war sparked off by these scum and their tinpot wee province. A fabricated state ripped out of the heart of Ireland by the corrupt Brits in order to prevent the Loyalists fighting against Britain. And they’ve been bribing them ever since.
Fake flag ( English cross with the real Ulster Province Red hand grafted on); fake religion ( Presbyterian Scots were second class ‘dissenters’ for a hundred years..banned from the Episcopalian OO until needed to fight the United Irishmen led by Presbyterians and Catholics together); fake ‘loyalists’…they hate the English as much as Rangers fans do, because most of them are anyway, or mini me Rangers:Linfield supporters ( Check Manchester, Newcastle, Liverpool, Wolverhampton etc. riots); fake state ( ‘partition’ was illegal and based on religious settlement, not historical or geographical requirements;fake history( hundreds of thousands of Presbyterian Ulster Scots got out in the 17th and 18th century due to Anglo ascendancy and headed to the US, where they fought en masse for the Independence of the USA against their ‘beloved ”Crown’.
Even the ‘Famine song’ an insult to a great Beach Boys song and an even bigger insult to the starving Irish ( all British subjects) who died or fled the famine to live in another part of the Empire i.e Scotland. And a third of them were Protestant Irish.
And yet….the softening continues..Torrance…Fraser….Colonel Blimp…all pushing the ‘Ulsterisation’ meme…the para military thugs protected and living in our west coast towns. We must call out the BBC sooner than later. Mr Ponsonby has stuck to the task of monitoring the BBC almost exclusively…rightly…so let’s back him to provide the evidence which we must take to the EU courts before it’s too late to do so.
Just wanted to back up what Sunshine on Crieff said at 8.24pm. This sort of coverage has been going on for years.
I’m from Wales but have many friends in the six counties – most are republican/nationalist but a couple are unionists. I remember one of the unionists proudly showing me BBC coverage of the 12th – it must have been in the early nineties. At the time, I was as shocked as Stu is now at the nature of the coverage.
I pointed out that the whole tone (of the coverage not the event) was similar to what you would have in Wales in relation to the Eisteddfod (our major literary/music festival). And this despite the obvious political, sectarian and divisive nature of the 12th “celebrations”.
My friend who is usually pretty sane completely lost the plot saying that I had no understanding of their culture.
The point, I think, is the complete lack of self awareness that pertains to elements of the unionist community and the normalisation of things that would be viewed as very abnormal almost anywhere else. The other point of course is the rank hypocrisy and collusion of the BBC. But that won’t be news to supporters of Scottish independence.
2900 jobs coming to Edinburgh, I wonder who will have to pay the salaries. Any ideas?
link to gov.uk
Peace Always
Well Gary Robertson, Bill Whiteford, Gillian Marles, Louise White, John Beattie, Gordon Brewer, Kay with an e, are you proud of BBC Scotland now?
Channel of bigots and xenophobes, climate change deniers, creationists, anti gay, anti abortion, anti catholic, anti human rights. Tory shills.
@Moonlight says: 12 July, 2017 at 8:16 pm:
” … So this is what Elizabeth Saxe Coburg’s province has come to.”
In 1714. Queen Anne died without issue. Thus the Stuart line ended abruptly. Her 50 odd closest relatives were all Catholics and so very distinctly persona non grata as United Kingdom Royals. So they were passed over for Georg Ludwig, the Protestant Prince Elector of Hanover who got the job.
So the United Kingdom Royal house changed from Stuart to Brunswick-L?neburg-Hanover, with its connections to the ancient German royal houses of “Welf and Este”
Accordingly, the House of Hanover thus ended with Queen Victoria, and so Victoria’s descendants took the dynastic name of her husband, Prince Albert, which was the German family of, “Saxe-Coburg and Gotha”, which is a branch of the eminent , “House of Wettin”.
In WWI Kaiser Bill was Queen Victoria’s grandson and the United Kingdom’s, King George V’s first cousin. So because of the anti-German feelings George V changed the name of his royal house from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor. This was the beginning of the United Kingdom Royal Family using their surnams instead of the overall dynasty name.
On her accession to the throne Queen Elizabeth II chose to keep the name Windsor, and in 1960 the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh announced that those of their descendants who do not have an HRH title be known as Mountbatten-Windsor. However, Mountbatten is the Duke of Edinburgh’s adopted name. His German-Danish-Greek royal lines are, “Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Gl?cksburg” on his father’s side, and, “Battenberg on his mother’s side.
So there you go – That is the pedigree of the Queen of England.
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“O/T I wrote to Duguid MP asking him to demand that Scotland get the same money per head as NI.”
There is good reason why you don’t get an answer, Moonlight. It really is a question that should not be asked as you obviousl do not know the reason the per capita Block Grants for Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales are of different values. I’ve posted this explanation several times on Wings but it can stand another airing.
When the Westminster Establishment decided, (or rather were forced), to introduce Devolution to only three of the four bipartite United Kingdom’s countries they made a right dog’s breakfast of devolution. They had, of course, their own underhand motives.
So first let’s just understand what devolution actually is.
It is the removal of some United Kingdom Ministry’s functions and giving, (devolving), them to the new parliaments of Northern, Ireland, Scotland & Wales. However, that also means they had to also devolve the funding to run those functions because the devolved parliaments had no tax raising powers.
So, because they gave most devolved functions to Northern Ireland, the next most to Scotland and the least to Wales then N.I. got more per head than Scotland and Wales got less than Scotland. England got none because Westminster thus became the de facto parliament of the country of England that still gets funded as The United Kingdom,
So you cannot simply allocate per capita funding upon the number of people in each devolved country as it is supposed to be the funds transferred from the UK ministries for the functions devolved. That is thus what the Barnett Formula is.
It is NOT as many think NEEDS based but depends upon the level of the powers devolved from Westminster, (UK), ministries.
In point of fact the great majority of Westminster MPs of all parties, (and believe me I have questioned more than a few), do not know what the Barnett Formula is or what it is meant to do.
@ Mike at 9:46pm …. “PSNI site.”
I’ve just had a look through that site and see that the NIrish Police are running a hate crime campaign. Their ‘voices’ videos cover homophobia (you couldn’t make it up), racism, disability and transgender. Not one video relating to religion. A Policewoman says “Let’s stand together to target hate crime.” Eh!
They have leaflets that cover the aforementioned categories and one relating to religion depicting a miserable looking Muslim woman standing at a broken window. Why not one showing a miserable looking Roman Catholic woman holding rosary beads? Ludicrous example I know in light of the overall situation. Anyway you’re advised to report to the Police if you consider yourself to be the victim of a religious incident. The mind boggles. It’s not just strange, it’s downright sinister and reminds me of the story of the Emperor with no clothes.
@Sunshine on Crieff says: 12 July, 2017 at 8:24 pm:
“This is not a new thing, and the BBC’s comprehensive coverage had nothing to do with the Tory/DUP deal. The BBC in Northern Ireland have always covered the July 12th marches,”
Sheeesh!
There’s always at least one on Wings. Here that one is.
The BBC has indeed always covered the 12th “IN NOTHERN IRELEND”, as a regional news item. There was always scant or little made of it in the rest of the UK with perhaps a bit aimed at the West of Scotland and perhaps even a bit in the Liverpool area where there is also a bit of sectarianism reflected in the Liverpool, (Protestant) vs Everton, (RC), football rivalry.
However there was little or nothing made of it on a UK wide basis as there has been this time round.
Andy may be out of Wimbledon but he is still sharp as a knife in combating casual sexism. Bitter news for xenophobic, sexist BBC.
link to bbc.co.uk
“Too many SNP politicians now regard themselves as VIPs it seems”.
I believe the onus is on you to back up your claim rather than expect anyone to refute.
Ref ” small axe @1049 pm” ( New Hub) , a new propaganda outlet/ spy network for the Westminster establishment in the heart of our capital. No doubt the hierarchy/ management will be
brought in from ” darn soufflé” to further assist the ” Scottish office”, undermine our democratically elected Holyrood government . ( reinforcements for the colonial regime).
@Smallaxe
Scotland In Union have not gone away, in fact I suspect one or two of them are pissing themselves laughing at us on Wings when we respond to their posts.
I mean that, why wouldn’t they come on Wings and cause mischief?
There’s surely no doubts left that the BBC is nothing more than a modern day Pravda.
Anyhoo, happy 12th of July everyone.
No Surrender:D
Civilisation just packed up and fucked off to another planet. I despair. I really fucking despair for the future if that’s what is acceptable in this day and age. Have these fuckers not learnt anything over the years. And to include kids. Jeez
2007? Pretty sure this program has been going on forever. There was a complaint in 2013 that it breached impartiality guidelines, but it was not upheld:
link to downloads.bbc.co.uk
I invite the reader to consider if this response would have been repeated for any other march elsewhere in the UK.
Oh and plenty of Famine Song fun I’m years previous, there was a period the band’s enjoyed playing it outside one of the Catholic Churches in Belfast City Centre.
Hell, I don’t even mind that much. It’s the rate money going to having to clean up the three storey tired filled bonfire mess that gets me. Someone said this time of the year is like the Purge, where people can just ignore the law for a set period. Nailed it.
Northern Ireland and Scotland voted Remain in the EU referendum.
There is a lot of concern about the effects of Brexit on the now open border between the North and South of Ireland.
Nobody wants a return to customs checkpoints and many fear even worse: the return of military checkpoints.
@ronnie anderson says: 12 July, 2017 at 9:39 pm:
I knocked of the http before I posted”
Yes, but that only applies to You Tube, Ronnie. It’s an easy mistake to make when you are in a rush – and you did say you were in a hurry.
I’ve done the exact same and clicked to submit before realising I’d just done it wrong.
I don’t have a television, and am not conversant with all the ways a programme can be accessed.
This article refers to a programme broadcast on BBC1 Northern Ireland.
Was it also available on other channels or did people who wanted to watch have to do so on BBC1 NI? The iPlayer programme seems to just be “highlights” (perhaps better described as lowlights), not the full thing.
I do understand that there will be parts of Scotland that can pick up BBC1 NI; my car radio sometimes spontaneously blares out BBC Radio Ulster.
@ ronnie anderson – it doesn’t matter if you knock off the http // because we can just copy the url and paste it into a browser window. The browser will add the http bit.
Other news? Beeb gimps must be struggle with Teresa now.
link to huffingtonpost.co.uk?
No Surrender:D
Guy Verhofstadt Facebook.
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Brexit offers the possibility to make the EU more democratic with transnational lists. I also believe that northern-Irish citizens with an Irish passport should be allowed to vote in European elections.
No Surrender:D
@Kensei
Good sleuthing. Well how gobsmacked I am, your own link gave the answer to at least how long “The Twelfth” has been running on the BBC in Northern Ireland. Below a direct quote from the BBC in response to the complaint.
“The Twelfth has been a feature of BBC Northern Ireland’s broadcast calendar for 50 years.”
Betcha not many in the rest of the UK including Scotland knew that until this year. Live and learn.
@Lochside says: 12 July, 2017 at 10:43 pm:
” … ( ‘partition’ was illegal and based on religious settlement, not historical or geographical requirements;fake history( hundreds of thousands of Presbyterian Ulster Scots got out in the 17th and 18th century due to Anglo ascendancy and headed to the US, where they fought en masse for the Independence of the USA against their ‘beloved ”Crown’.”
Great comment Lochside – What is not generally known, (on both sides of the pond), is that the USA term, “Hillbillies”, actually refers to those Scottish/Irish followers of King Billy from Northern Ireland and guess what?
The term was originally meant as a denigration of the Scottish Irish mostly of former Scottish Highlander descent.
The USA country & Western music owes much to the old Scottish & Irish folk music and some of the older stuff is almost direct copies of traditional Scottish & Irish folk music. As, of course does Traditional Jazz and the Blues as in the Scottish Laments.
North chiel says:
12 July, 2017 at 11:17 pm
Ref ” small axe”
Exactly what I was thinking, my Friend.
Peace Always
@Robert Peffers 1030pm
I had indeed read and understood your previous disertation on the Barnett formula.
I did not use that wording to Duguid, bearing in mind what I had learned.
I sought to prod another useless Tory placeman, to suggest that he represented the Scottish electorate. I was not surprised to be ignored by him and less surprised that he was not prepared to question the party line as dictated from afar.
After all, he will be fully occupied ensuring that the fishers have exclusive rights out to the 200 mile limit and that the farmers continue to receive the equivalent of the EU cash on which they rely. Or maybe not.
Thepnr says:
12 July, 2017 at 11:18 pm
@Smallaxe
“Scotland In Union have not gone away”
I’m well aware of that my Friend, the letter that I posted is genuine and sent to one of my throwaway e-mail addresses.
🙂
Peace Always
@ Lochside at 10:23pm ……. Great post overall Lochside and yes let’s get right behind Ponsonby. BBC and EU Courts too. They should also be reported to the United Nations.
I was also sorry to hear about Prof Robertson earlier. Ostracised and made ill due to standing up against the stinking, corrupt BBC who did their utmost to ruin his career; lose him his job. His site ‘Talking up Scotland’ is now one of the best online. Well worth a daily visit.
We know so little about some of the people who have been at the forefront of this battle, for example I just found out recently that John Swinney’s wife suffers from MS. He has to prepare all meals before he leaves for work and see to their 10 year old son. He does all of the shopping and I’m sure much more besides. You’d never know it. No whining, shouting or nasty looking face on him unlike folks such as Davidson and Dugdale. He always has a smile on his face and comes across as being so patient, decent and kind. A real gentleman and statesmanlike. I just hope that we get our Independence soon to give some of the people mentioned (and others) a well deserved break.
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@ Smallaxe at ….. “Civil Service Hub …. 2900 jobs.”
I don’t know if I’m becoming paranoid or what? Westminster setting up a hub providing 2900 jobs? Something doesn’t ring true. Stinks in fact. I wonder what they’re up to now?
For anyone interested in how the Barnett Formula works, and its origins, here’s a paper, 1.5 Origins is on page 8, where England and Wales were 80%, Scotland 11% and NI 9% back in 1888, negotations were yearly until 1978, but what is not given is the state of play in 1978 (NI 1979, Wales 1980). This is where the extra spend per capita in both Scotland and NI originated perhaps, back in 1888. But also by “formula bypass” after 1978.
Now it’s adjusted (the block grant) on a comparability basis (100% if something is 100% devolved) times the per capita, based on spending in England mainly, but also England and Wales where parts of the budget are not devolved to Wales but are to Scotland. If the formula is applied strictly, then in time the spend per capita will converge. This is actually the “Barnett consequentials” – every UK budget, or between budget spending announcement.
The comparability factors are on page 6, but this is for 2015, it will need to be changed for the Scotland Act 2016.
link to researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk
Robert Peffer @ 10.53 pm
As you say 50 or so of Queen Anne’s nearest relatives were Catholics but while Queen Anne may have been the last monarch of the direct Stuart line George of Hanover, who succeeded her was a Stuart on his mother’s side.
George was a great grandson of James VI and I.
George’s mother, Sophia, was the granddaughter of James VI and I and was heiress presumptive to Queen Anne but pre-deceased her by a few months. Hence Sophia’s son succeeded Queen Anne. Thus the Stuart connection however indirect was maintained something historians like to gloss over.
It also means that every monarch from James VI and I to the present day has been a descendant of Mary, Queen of Scots.
Oh, as for “Needs based” in Barnett, there is some based on population, and this is discussed from page 9. It looks as though a full needs based formula could work in Scotland’s favour, due to a geographical extra cost in providing services. And also cut the crap about the extra spending per head Scotland gets – it would be clearly needs based, even for the anti-mob to be able to understand with the few marbles they have.
Also on page 10 is the “Barnett Squeeze”, talking about the populations – and figures not updated often.
@ Legerwood
It’s also frequently forgotten/ignored that William of Orange was James VII and II’s nephew as well as his son-in-law, being the son of James’s sister Mary Stuart.
These hoodlums have been getting away with it for far to long for Unionist votes at Westminster. It is a scandal breaking UK/International Law and getting away with it. Costing £Billions and £Billions of UK taxpayers money and ruining their own economy.
Lloyd George. A Liberal, illegally Partitoned Ireland. The Balfour Agreement etc. Against the majority wishes and the public interest. The Irish wanted Home Rule/Independence. Such was their treatment by the British State. An obvious disgrace. Ruining the world economy. The Unionists parties are despicable people ruining the world economy. Killing and maiming millions of vulnerable people. They do not care who they bring to despair.
Now Brexit. The Tories are going to ruin the world economy. Wasting £Billions and £Billions for Unionist votes at Westminster entertaining criminal thugs. The Banks are financing this scandal with public money. £Trns in debt. They fund the Tory Party.
Illegal wars, financial fraud and tax evasion. The UK in £Trns of debt. Westminster Unionists
sanction it. They are just beyond belief.
The situation in NI is an International disgrace. Wasting &Billions of taxpayers money. The Tories are crooks, liars and charlatans. Put to line their own pockets with £Billions of public money ruining the world economy.
The only way for Scotland is Indepedence in the EU. Hopefully coming soon. To get rid of the parasites at Westminster.
Some more points, Barnett is not statutoty, it’s calculated by the Treasury, there are dispute procedures which the SG is invoking, there are these formula bypasses, and Wales has for instance a floor of 115% comparability factor because spending was dropping too much on services, all of which seems to me, to make legal action problematical and long – at least involving a whole range of expert witnesses for both sides with different sets of figures and estimates – amounting at times to guesses, for for instance populations.
A messy business.
@Colin Alexander + all the others using that name
You are an arsehole, and that’s why folk respond in kind.
Leave you alone to write your endless shite, on every single topic that’s posted? Who put you in charge?
Then we have the endless whining when folk pull you up.
Who are you to question why the topic is posted, or the concern about the OO? You are the only one posting as an apologist for the OO, so perhaps you are just a yoon supporting their activity, or your lodge has assigned you to this forum.
Either way, folk on this forum have the right to decide if they want to respond to your shit, not you.
@Moonlight says: 13 July, 2017 at 12:02 am:
“I had indeed read and understood your previous disertation on the Barnett formula.
I did not use that wording to Duguid, bearing in mind what I had learned.”
The truth is, Moonlight, I was really aiming my comment at Duguid, and the many other, actual members of government who really have never understood the whole Barnett Formula thing.
Believe my I have, in the past, (acting innocently as if I had no idea), ask some very high ranking government ministers, who really should know better, to explain the Barnett Formula to this totally ignorant of the matter numptie, (Me), and then listened, with a straight face, to the biggest load of waffle you ever heard.
I have honestly been surprised at the depth of ignorance most of these people, who are actually voting upon matters that involve United Kingdom funding, actually exhibit.
How the hell can they justify voting upon fairly simple things they fail to understand? Then I remember the terms, “Lobby Fodder”, and, “Low Flying Jimmies”.
These are the ones we see on Parliament TV from Westminster when the chamber is almost empty during the actual debates and then the Davison Bell sounds and they seem to arrear from nowhere, troop through the Division Lobby, (as instructed by the Party Whips), to vote:-
link to quora.com
How can they know which way the debate went when they have not even been at the debate?
I owe Lochside and some other Wingers an apology.
I didn’t really buy-into the whole ‘Ulsterisation’ scenario. especially regarding ‘Colonel’ Ruth Davidson. I honestly thought she was just a victim of bad advice and hubris.
Now? After seeing this BBC NI stuff? And hearing CallK’s PR exercise for OO this morning?
Embarrassing.
Hands-up.
I really didn’t believe they would stoop so low.
More fool me.
🙁
On a more positive note – this nonsense should persuade many switherers: Scottish independence must be worthwhile if it does nothing else but distance us from this putrid behaviour once and for all. A SG debate on sectarian marches might help clarify positions on all sides.
@ North Chiel at 11:17pm. ‘New Edinburgh hub.’
Spot on North Chiel.
The Supreme Court sitting in Scotland recently for the first time since it was established, more and more staff flooding into the Scottish Office, 6 out of the 8 top cops in Scotland from south of the border, Theresa May setting up a ‘Scottish Commitee’ last year that we never hear about (what are they doing?), armed Police covering the Faslane area, moves to replace the regular staff at Faslane with individuals from private companies (more of course) and now this. Looks as though they’re following through with their wee plans for Scotland.
I wonder what wee Willie Rennie has to say about this? Strange how he’s never there when we need him, LOL. Too busy giving Nicola her orders in relation to what to say to Barnier on Thursday?
One last – in a nutshell it appears Barnett is merely a mechanism for adjusting the block grant from year to year, it is NOT a formula that decides in itself, the relative spending for the devolved countries, or the per capita total spend either. That’s historical, going way back.
Oh dear, they’re not going to like this.
Scotland’s unemployment rate now 3.8%, down 0.7%. The UK down to 4.5%.
I guess that means the rUK has more benefit scroungers than us Nats have. A wee posting on the Express and even the Scotsman might be in order …
I see that someone has mentioned that the ‘Twelth’ has been covered by the BBC for 50 years now. If so is this the first time that it’s been broadcast worldwide?
@Petra says: 13 July, 2017 at 12:31 am:
” … (what are they doing?), armed Police covering the Faslane area, moves to replace the regular staff at Faslane with individuals from private companies (more of course) and now this. Looks as though they’re following through with their wee plans for Scotland.”
Did you forget the reduction of the Scottish Regiments, the closures of former RAF and RN bases and replacing them with army battalions?
They have been removing the defenders against foreign attackers for many years from Scotland and replacing them with the army so as to be able to put troops upon Scottish Streets after removing the more Scottish manned battalions of the army and bringing in more United Kingdom manned troops from places like Aldershots.
We now have no naval patrols and no long range air surveillance to deter foreign attacks but a greater capability to have the tanks on the streets of Scotland in an instant.
This from a news item in 2011:-
link to bbc.co.uk
Okay, as mentioned earlier, here’s the fundraiser for the new BBC monitoring project:
link to indiegogo.com
Petra says:
13 July, 2017 at 12:05 am
@ Lochside at 10:23pm ……. “Great post overall Lochside and yes let’s get right behind Ponsonby. BBC and EU Courts too. They should also be reported to the United Nations.”
For anyone interested, here is the fundraiser.
link to indiegogo.com
Thanks’ Petra,
Peace Always
Ian, SNAP!
🙂
Peace Always Brother
Basically speaking, tanks are going to Salisbury or Catterick, and the whole British Army is getting mauled to bits. Even the definition of “tank” is changing, not neccessarily for the better.
Just backed GA Ponsonby in his fight with the BBC. Anything that will bring down their conceit and arrogant right in you face propaganda will do for me.
Go Mr Ponsonby take them on and defeat them.
@ Robert at 12:54am ….. Thanks for the reminders Robert. I also know two young men, boys really, who have been based at Faslane previously. It would seem that a pattern emerges as the Scots are being sent south or abroad those from the south are being stationed here. Westminster has also just struck up a deal wth Norway and the US in relation to Lossiemouth.
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@ Ian and Smallaxe thanks for the link. Too late to do anything now but will donate in the morning. Let’s ensure that this link is posted on a regular basis. No point on moaning about the BBC when we could be supporting someone who’s working his butt off trying to do something about it.
Peace to you (all on here) too Smallaxe X
Yes “Petra@ 1231″ Willie Rennie& his cohort Carmichael, have indeed brass necks asking
our FM do do anything whatsoever on behalf of the Britnat Liberal party. Our FM will be in Brussels to represent our democratically elected Holyrood government and to advocate the position in relation to MY country’s ( Scotland) democratic wish to remain in the EU. Incidentally, if Carmichael or Rennie do want to advance the cause of remaining in the Single market/ customs union then my advice to them would be to insist upon their Unionist friends in the Britnat Labour Party and Britnat former friends within the Westminster Tory Junta to see to it that our ELECTED First Minister
of Scotland is SEATED at these Brexit negotiations ( as a right in my opinion as Leader of the only other country as signatory to the 2- Kingdom ” precious precious union”).Thereafter, they might politely & respectively ask our FM to ” note their views” during her discussions.
And ” brass necks” must be the understatement of the decade within the context of Rennie& Carmichael!
I go to church and i could not imagine any of my congregation taking part in this type of nonsense, its against the whole meaning of being a christian, ofc most of the people who do take part probably never step foot in a church from one week to the next, lets face it, if you have any real christian values you would keep well clear of these hatefests
If i was in charge of the councils not one of these organisations would get a licence to march on our streets, and i would not care which side of the religious divide you represent, it really is time to stop this affront to the real christians in our society
Oops meant to say that we can see what they’re up to Robert. Wee (or big) ding-dongs between half decent Scots seeking Independence and right wing neo-Nazi types / the Orange Order would give them the ‘excuse’ to put troops on our streets backed up with the MSM blaming the SNP …. Baad. We know that they’ll stop at nothing to hang onto Scotland as they’ve got far too much to lose: In the main the base at Faslane.
@ North chiel at 1:37am ….. “Brass necks.”
It just beggars belief don’t you think that they’ve got the audacity to ask her to do anything for them at all? They should have been demanding, as you say, a place for Scots at the negotiating table if for no other reason to monitor what Westminster was getting up to. But NO. This is the party that’s been shouting their mouths off demanding a rerun of the EU Ref because they know that Brexit is going to be catastrophic but don’t want to give the Scots the chance to bail out. Additionally why would Nicola do anything to scupper our chances of getting our Independence? She’s being playing a mean game so far. We need a hard Brexit to get out of this. They voted for Brexit so can get on with it.
Eh feel seek tae the pit o meh stomach. The “KAT” on ane o the fires summed it ah up tbh.
Best thing abody can dae is wash their hands o the whale lot o it.
They might be a few hundred miles in front o ISIS but, they are a few hundred more behind the rest o us.
Eh meant to say years no miles 🙂 God knows whaur that came fae.
I’m busy with visitors, but if David Torrance ever uses the term ‘ulsterisation’ again.
Later, guys.
Yes ” Petra@ 0204″ , the party of ” home rule” for Scotland since Gladstone.
” Scottish Liberal party” indeed. HQ London England . ” Real leader ” Lord Menzies Campbell Q.C.( Scottish tea boys Rennie & Carmichael)
I grew up in a part of Scotland that did not have these marches of hate. I was about 22 years old when I did witness one in Dunfermline, Fife. I did not think it was funny then nor do I now. Edjitts.
Smallaxe @ 10.42 pm
Sounds like ‘Scotland in union’ wishes they had a Phantom Power Films !!
Interesting they had to warn their supporters to watch their language and behaviour ! Speaks volumes.
Have a lovely day Smallaxe, peace and love to you and yours =)
Seriously, since the GE, I’ve mostly kept quiet on here and on Facebook, and just watched on (in a very bemused fashion) at what is going on in this wonderful United Kingdom of ours.
To be honest …it’s literally jaw-dropping.
I have never seen government such as this, where selfishness and out-right blatant lie-telling dominates the agenda (or several agendas if we’re honest). From Grenfell, to the DUP, to Brexit, to Theresa, to Trump trade deals, to arms deal to Arabia, to threatening the Spanish King over Gibraltar, to Orange marches, to Ruth being made an honorary colonel of a kidd-on army and then have her posting up her fantasies (Gillian Anderson) on social media …it is just unbelievable. Seriously …WTF!!!
The only thing that keeps me from walking away from it all, is the fact that this can’t go on forever. It’s unsustainable in its present form, and a Government can’t be expected to rule for 5 years on such a deluded set of agendas. Something has to give.
But boy …I hope it comes soon.
I see Paul Golding, leader of Britain First, is enjoying the “celebrations” in Belfast. Isn’t that the organisation that the killer of British Labour MP, Jo Cox, belonged to?
Ulsterisation has obviously already arrived in the North of England.
You would think the Labour Party would be opposed to this.
JLT, fact is, BBC Scotland frauds would be doing us a massive service if they broadcast their very glossy BBC production of hatefest glorification bigotry across the whole of Scotland.
Bet they wont dare. Hard core right regimes ofcourse always embrace and inflame violence. In 2014 rancid old The Guardian rammed the OO down Scotland’s throat but not this year.
link to archive.is
No Surrender:D
Ghillie;
Thank you, as for SIU I think we’ve had a good look at some of their supporters atl on this thread. Links coming shortly!
Peace and Love to you and yours Ghillie and to all Wingers, let’s try and ignore the usual suspects today folks and “get on with the day job” 🙂
Peace Always
Lies, propaganda, and the potential for it all to go wrong.
We’ve all seen quotes etc regarding the Nazi attitude to lying as a propaganda technique. Basically saying if you do it often enough everyone will start to believe it.
Of course the Nazi’s didn’t have the internet to consider with 1000s people of people calling them out as lying barstards!
In the Nazi worldview it wasn’t just themselves who lied, they accused everyone else of lying too!
Maybe Goebbels wasn’t wrong when he said …. ” The English follow the principle that when one lies, it should be a big lie, and one should stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous. “ … possible he had a premonition about future Brexiteers.
Hi Heedtracker.
Yep! I had heard rumours of the Orange ‘festivities’ were possibly going to be aired on TV, so it was no surprise when the Rev posted this up yesterday. The deal that Theresa struck up with the DUP and then having this nonsense aired as ‘culture’ shows us all what the mental state of the nation really is – British jingoism mixed with the cheering of a ‘religious’ culture that should have been buried a long, long time ago.
But for Westminster, they may have let another genie out of the bottle that can’t be re-captured so easily. The longer they hold up the extreme version of Protestantism, the more they will find the unsavoury characters and elements creeping more and more into the fore. Theresa, like Blair, could find her legacy and character seriously tarnished in the history books that have still to be written.
But as said – this is unsustainable. A dodgy, belligerent, selfish, right-wing government mixing itself with extreme Protestantism and set on a course of thumbing its nose at its nearest and most valuable trade partners while at the same time, seeking to whore itself out for any old profit around the world …must surely have repercussions somewhere down the line, and probably in so many ways in which it can go all so wrong. I suspect that even those Scots who like the British State may becoming slowly discomforted at what they are not only seeing, but also living under.
We quietly sit …watch …and wait.
I want my Scottish citizenship.
link to bloomberg.com
No Surrender:D
More Orange stuff in the news, this time Chocolate Orange ! Brexit falling apart like one
link to archive.is
LINKS; From the Lady!
Sectarianism and North British Nationalists;
link to indyref2.scot
Planning to win;
link to itisintruthnotforglory.wordpress.com
Taking turns with the Stupid Stick;
link to indyref2.scot
Peace Always
LINKS;
Brian Feeney: Orange Order can no longer claim ownership of the North;
link to irishnews.com
Royal Navy’s new £8billion warships will be built with 65% foreign steel in fresh betrayal of UK workers;
link to archive.is
Food prices set to soar as hard Brexit approaches;
Peace Always
Smallaxe
So they sack the Income Tax staff, who we do need, and embed UK Government staff for further colonisation.
LINKS;
UK profiting from Yemeni civilians suffering: HRW;
link to archive.is
George Monbiot pulls apart the entire Tory culture that ‘led to the Grenfell Fire’ [VIDEO];
link to thecanary.co
Here’s Why We’re Probably Going To Have To Leave Euratom, Whether MPs Want To Or Not;
link to archive.is
Peace Always
LINKS;
DUP and Orange Order leaders silent as PSNI probe hate crimes at ‘bigot bonfires’;
link to archive.is
U.K. Pay Falls Despite Lowest Unemployment Since 1975;
link to bloomberg.com
Emails reveal DUP sought to delay release of Brexit expenses;
link to thedetail.tv
Peace Always
LINKS;
UK to buy $1B worth of US-made Joint Light Tactical Vehicles;
link to archive.is
EU says Brexit talks could fail after Johnson’s ‘go whistle’ remarks;
link to archive.is
State of play of Article 50 negotiations with the United Kingdom;
link to europa.eu
Peace Always
LINKS;
Unemployment at record low;
link to news.gov.scot
Tory-DUP alliance has written the SNP’s election leaflets for them;(WARNING: Offensive Faces)
link to talkradio.co.uk
The impact of multi-level policymaking on the UK energy system;
link to paulcairney.wordpress.com
Peace Always
LINKS;
GA PONSONBY FUNDER!! Please Post This Frequently Wingers!
link to indiegogo.com
“THIS IS A LENGTHY AND DETAILED ARTICLE AND WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO READ”
The 2017 Manchester Arena Bombing – A Wolf in Wolf’s Clothing;
link to pixelsurgery.wordpress.com
That’s all for now, Folks, have a Thuper Thursday. 🙂
Peace Always
It doesn’t matter who we are or what we say as long as we don’t enforce the view that to NOT be the same as ONE means another is less
To believe a thing might be relevant to ONE shouldn’t give the right to enforce that belief on another, that should be a crime on humanity and a backward step towards the mistakes of the past, slavery, wars and such over who decides who are the superior beings
When the boxer wins a fight it doesn’t make him the better man it just makes him the better or stronger boxer at that moment in time
These OO types believe they have a right to mark, celebrate, commemorate, call it what you will the killing of other people as a signal of their superiority and use religion to back up their claims
I’m not a religious person because of people who believe in exactly that, and to me the OO are no different to ISIS or Boko Haram or any other cult who twists and perverts an ideology to make it fit another purpose then scream at the world that somehow God gave them the right of dominion
I’m not aware of any genuine religious teaching that preaches attacking another just because…
There is no self defence here either, this like all terrorism is just plain and simple might is right and we in Scotland should know all about that as it’s used politically on a daily basis against us by our home grown political bullies the Unionists who clad themselves in the same clothes, albeit softer raiment these days but the end desired result is the same the imposition of power for powers sake
As far as I’m aware the God in who’s name they claim to behave like this preached the exact opposite (loving thy neighbour as thyself must have been missed by these folk) or even just a wee bit of respect wouldn’t go amiss or is that even too much to ask
Brian Powell says:
13 July, 2017 at 9:05 am
Smallaxe
“So they sack the Income Tax staff, who we do need, and embed UK Government staff for further colonisation.”
“Wrong and Unable” Brian, that’s what Treeza said, wasn’t it?
🙂
Peace Always my Friend
Well well well…
Owen Smith MP attended the parade.
Bragging about it on twitter.
You can’t say we’ve not been warned.
I’ve been banging on about the media since way back on Newsnet, and I got the same pelters back then for criticising the SNP’s attitude towards the media as I get now for trying to promote the importance we ought to be putting on sovereignty. Plus ça change.
G A Ponsonby and Prof John Robertson deserve medals and considerably more backing than they are getting, because they are way ahead of the game in understanding what we are dealing with. I would have hoped to see them formally appointed to some task force to examine ways to confound the propaganda and find some way to get Scotland Broadcasting. We all know they are right. Give them power and station!! Help them!
It is excellent news that Michel Barnier is going to meet with Nicola Sturgeon, and I would dearly like to think that Nicola will raise the issue of broadcasting and at least sound out whether there is any opportunity for Barnier to introduce some dynamic into his Brexit negotiations which can be instrumental in securing some access to free broadcasting in Scotland before ScotRef. I hope Nicola impresses upon Barnier that Scotland is being deluged with the same propaganda which gave momentum to Brexit in the first place; the BBC’s resentment of all things European. Scotland might yet succumb to the gravitational pull of the Brexit black hole.
If Barnier is persuaded Scotland needs help, and he has the means and opportunity to help, then there is a chance he might, even if its unofficial and not made public. But imagine 4 or 5 months before ScotRef, a new FREE Scottish news and current affairs service took to the air in Scotland. Even a temporary service, specific to Brexit deal and ScotRef referendum. If Nicola is absolutely resolute in Scotland, and Barnier is absolutely resolute from Europe, then May might be forced into some measure of devolved broadcasting.
I do appreciate there might only be a small chance of that happening, but unless Scotland is adamant, uncompromising, and agitated about the propaganda fest we have to live with, then Barnier’s hands will be tied, and there will be nothing he can do. We don’t have to just ask, we need to implore Barnier for help.
Does anybody know when Barnier intends to hold this meeting? Is there time to coordinate the open letter to Barnier and get it signed by popular petition in time for their meeting?
It goes without saying, as far as I’m concerned it’s all the same thing. All routes lead to the issue of sovereignty. If we are a sovereign people, then nobody can stop us if we start to broadcast media ourselves.
Breeks; See here, it’s already happened!
link to bbc.co.uk
Peace Always
crazycat says:
13 July, 2017 at 12:21 am
@ Legerwood
It’s also frequently forgotten/ignored that William of Orange was James VII and II’s nephew as well as his son-in-law, being the son of James’s sister Mary Stuart.””
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I know. It was a fairly convoluted relationship between William and Mary. Interesting to note in passing that the Stuart women in the 17thC seemed to remain Protestant while the men drifted back to the Catholic Church.
LOL would sum it up nicely.
If it was funny.
We quietly sit …watch …and wait.
We’re not quiet my friend, very far from it.
There’s the universe of OO UKOK Britishness we get blasted at us by BBC gimps and then there’s the real world of Scotland.
All of which makes it endlessly funny shouting Happy 12th of July, NO Surrender, at Britnats here at my place of business for example.
“Looks of embarrassment” don’t come close and shouting it in your broadest Scots, makes all the funnier.
There really is two Scotland’s, tory beeb gimpland, farting out sneaky creepy SNP bad Pravadesque attack propaganda, from their giant Clyde glass box of grot , with the OO nutters, or our Scotland.
Which do you choose:D
@Petra says: 13 July, 2017 at 1:47 am:
” … We know that they’ll stop at nothing to hang onto Scotland as they’ve got far too much to lose: In the main the base at Faslane.”
It is very hard indeed to track down the incidents where troops have not only been ordered onto Scottish streets, including tanks and weapons much bigger than side arms.
I tracked some of the incidents down some years back but on a recent re-search for one particularly bad incident, it was at either Clydebank or Clydeside, that I had previously found I drew a complete blank. They not only re-write our Scottish history but expunge true incidents they decide we had better not know about.
The incident. if I remembered correctly, was something to do with rent strikes, (mainly by women during wartime when the men were away fighting for the United Kingdom). They, the Government, locked down Scottish troops in their barracks and brought in troops from other UK countries. There were fatalities among the women.
If I remember, and have an idle time, I may try to unearth the item again.
@Valerie
No issues with you opining that I post “shite”. That’s a criticism of my comments. That’s fine by me.
However, I am not an apologist for the OO. I have never been and will never join or support the OO. I was once invited to join the OO: I said “no thanks”.
I don’t agree with it for the basic principle that I believe it to be discriminatory against Catholics, as they are not allowed to join.
I think it would be wrong to totally ban them in Scotland. However, those OO band members in Glasgow who played The Beach Boys song: Sloop John B, should be held to account for that. What have the Beach Boys got to do with celebrating the Battle of the Boyne or Protestantism? Nothing.
I think that any band that does that should be refused permission to march for inciting public disorder.
The spectators who sang The Famine Song to this tune should have been arrested and prosecuted for a hate crime. Why weren’t they?
Why aren’t the police putting photos and video out to try to identify the perpetrators of what appears to be a hate crime?
Also, I don’t try to tell Stu what he can or can’t put on HIS website. I just give my honest opinions on it. He can ignore or respond to any way he wants. I don’t always agree with Stu, but I respect that he speaks his mind on subjects.
There’s not much you really can say about the British state broadcaster airing to the World the wonderful celebration of such proud British Culture.
Except to say it must make Gordon Brown, Kezia Dugdale and Ruth Davidson’s hearts beat faster with pride at such a display of British culture and values.
And yet many of those same the unionists attempt to portray the progressive and inclusive civic Nationalism of the SNP as ugly, divisive and insular’.
They must take a look at themselves in the mirror sometime.
Also, I don’t try to tell Stu what he can or can’t put on HIS website. I just give my honest opinions on it. He can ignore or respond to any way he wants. I don’t always agree with Stu, but I respect that he speaks his mind on subjects.”
You’d get the respect you want Colin, if you would just be straight with your WoS btl readers.
You clearly hate the SNP, you’re clearly a unionist, you’re clearly against the coming ref2, you clearly think you can pull this ref2, but only on “sovereignty,” con on people, without saying how you expect any refs ever again, in Scotland, without SNP Scots gov, and so on…
Just try being honest Colin. Why you feel need for your UKOK subterfuge is very yoon culture:D
The Missing Link!
Food prices set to soar as hard Brexit approaches;
link to politics.co.uk
Sorry about that.
Peace Always
So many great comments to add to this great but depressing article from yesterday.
On those UKok civil servants jobs they are planting, smack bang middle of Edinburgh, (er, just across from the council buildings where we have a majority of SNP in the council) the UKOK civil service get a brand new office with a 20 year lease! They are ‘relocating’ people from other offices. Not new jobs for people actually living in Scotland. The whole thing stinks and is a very sinister move. Another arm of the UK government imposing themselves onto Scotland, and we have to ask why.
With brexit and the dreadful DUP sitting in England’s parliament, looks like Scotland is in for more colonisation as has been mentioned. Ah well, they ‘love’ us don’t they.
@Smallaxe: “UK to buy $1B worth of US-made Joint Light Tactical Vehicles”
I think they work out at $350,000 each as they’re being mass produced, rather than $1 million each for something similar if developed and made in the uk. It’s the sign of things to come, and wouldn’t surprise me if the T31 goes the same way, perhaps even the remaining 5 T26, after the initial 3 on the Clyde.
The UK is brassic.
This article is poisonous, hateful and totally inaccurate. Just don’t watch it, go to mass, worship your Pope or spend some time with your family and a wee cup of tea. The fact you spent so much time moaning shows the only true hatred comes from you.
“This article is poisonous, hateful and totally inaccurate. Just don’t watch it, go to mass, worship your Pope or spend some time with your family and a wee cup of tea. The fact you spent so much time moaning shows the only true hatred comes from you.”
Hi “G”. I’m from a 100% Protestant family stretching back for uncountable generations, but don’t let that get in the way of your kneejerk bigotry.
Robert Peffers
The Glasgow rent strike was in1915 and was carried out mainly by the wives of serving soldiers when landlords increased rents which the wives were unable to pay.
The leader was the heroic Mary Barbour, who is about to be commemorated by a statue.
I don’t believe ther were any casualties although threats of eviction were made.
I do not use multiple identities. I am not Rock or anyone else.
If anyone else suggests the SNP are failing the independence movement and that they should not be confident about an SNP led indyref campaign, then that’s nowt to do with me. Though, I’d agree with their comment.
SNP support has dropped from 50% to 35% at the GE, even with the EU / Brexit shambles ongoing and the Greens standing aside. The Tory Govt shed seats in England and Wales and yet in Scotland the Tories were able to win more seats with a rise in support proportional to the SNP’s loss in support.
If some Wingers cannae see a problem there, then I won’t mock youse. It’s sympathy I have. I’m feeling sorry that you won’t see the writing on the wall until it’s too late and the SNP have totally messed up our chances of independence or sovereignty for decades.
The SNP campaigned to Keep Scotland Strong at Westminster, not for independence. “KEEP”. That means the SNP campaigned FOR the continuation of WM rule over Scotland.
That’s the people you expect to win you independence????
In 2016,the SNP told people to vote SNP on constituency and list in every constituency including safe seats, which gave the Unionists more seats. How selfish and amateurishly stupid was that? We could have had more Green pro-indy allies instead of more Unionist MSPs.
Only thanks to the Greens is there an SNP ( MINORITY) government and an indyref vote passed. That’s how desperate the situation already is.
The SNP failed to educate voters on STV at the Council elections. In contrast the Unionist coalition were educating on how to best use STV to get Unionists elected as councillors.
I can only think Kezia has cleared the decks of useless SLab advisers that lost them elections and the SNP has hired them, as the SNP are acting as incompetent and complacent as SLab nowadays.
If the SNP cannot run their own campaigns well on much practised grounds – election campaigns – how do you expect them to run a fantastic YES campaign?
“We are still the largest party” was a SLab excuse when shedding support in election after election, it’s now used by the SNP for the same reason. The SNP are now copying SLab by continuing their “jobs for the boys” so it’s the same auld team, same policies, same empty rhetoric and same continually declining support.
[\_____ There’s a nice wee graph of SNP support 2015 to 2017. That fact speaks for itself.
How ignorant you English and Scottish are.
36%??? It 50/50 here now.
Both sides of the community have their days of parades and the majority of us respect that.
The attitudes in the comment show why England and Scotland are overrun by Muslims. You are weak and soft. Unionists and Republicans here stand up for our beliefs and culture. You never hear of Muslims bombing or killing people over here although we do that ourselves.
The problem is that the rest of the UK has lost its identity. If your not happy with the way things are done here that’s fine but don’t come over here because we want nothing to do with you. Actually for the Scottish that want independence if your not happy in the UK the leave go elsewhere and find another country to put up with your whining because you’d are just a drain on society.
“How ignorant you English and Scottish are.
36%??? It 50/50 here now.”
Try clicking the link, you thick twat.
Smallaxe says:
13 July, 2017 at 9:43 am
Breeks; See here, it’s already happened!
link to bbc.co.uk
Peace Always…”
There’s nothing quite like a coordinated campaign…
@Brian Powell says: 13 July, 2017 at 9:05 am:
“So they sack the Income Tax staff, who we do need, and embed UK Government staff for further colonisation.”
Well they do have good evidence that when they bring in their English workers to an area it affects the voting patterns in the YoonYoonist’s favour. We see this in and around such places in Scotland as Leuchars in North East Fife and around air bases at Lossiemouth and in and around the dockyard in the Dunfermline area.
In Edinburgh and around Edinburgh we have a change in the army based at Redford, Dreghorn and Kirknewton. There is also some armed forces influence around Stirling. Now we will get an increase in UK Government presence Edinburgh.
It is a bit like the historic Plantations by the UK in Ireland.
2 interesting items from this morning’s papers:-
1) In the Hootsmon Tom Peterkin one of their leading colonialist purveyors of propaganda states that (now no laughing at the back) ‘our stout Col. Blimpeuth’s GE triumph has “neutered the Indpendence threat”‘.
2) A letter writer in The National points out something which is very obvious if one thinks about it namely that our beloved colonialist media when publishing photos of Nicola always show her looking angry or grim while photos of the other 3 wastes of space are invariably depicted as smiling and cheerful.
colin alexander
That’s the spirit Colin. Feels good to be an honest and open UKOK unionist huh.
Maybe hard core yoons like you are right, that snap GE really is the end of the SNP, ref2 and Scottish democracy. That certainly is the BBC Scotland led plan.
It makes sense too Colin, BBC Scotland led English media are going to destroy Scottish democracy, The Vow was historic fraud, Project Fear, run by a big fat lying slob, underpinned by fabulous Labour con artists like Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, was a great triumph of Britishness, tory Britishness and it all has to be exploited. Its how it works in Scotland and it should succeed Colin.
Or will it:D
No Surrender!
The House of Hanover of course continued with Victoria’s daft uncle, she couldn’t inherit Hanover as she was a wummin!
When George I won the pools by inheriting the British throne he arrived minus his wife who was kept locked up back in Germany. George had her fancy-man done in (or did the dirty deed himself?) & buried under the floor in the palace. The skeleton was dug up years later. This was just the first of many skeletons to rattle the Guelph dynasty. Lovely family.
O/T
Does anybody agree with me that the hurried erection of the Statue of Donald Dewar the alleged Father of The Devolved Parliament was at best premature and probably undeserved?
@gus1940
Yes, I would quite like to see the Dewar statue removed, and I think plenty would agree.
Years ago, I thought Dewar was an honest broker, but I’ve since discovered a lot of crap went on behind the scenes, in trade offs with WM.
Yes indeed Gus, A couple of weeks ago it sported the duke of Wellington’s traffic cone!
Still paying the bbc tax? More fool you.