Wings Over Scotland

So Alan Massie, who lives in a overseas tax haven donated £5000 pounds to Jackson Carlaws campaign.

Massie appears to have backed both Labour and the Tories, financially, in a bid to save the union.

link to thenational.scot

@ Liz g 10.55am Thanks for that clarification Liz , I am very socialist minded but until we’re independent we need to keep EVERYONE onside and happy to vote for the NEW party , without scaring the horses by introducing Solidarity or Rise as the new phoenix

It would be fantastic to have many or all the well kent faces and bloggers as prospective candidates and even if they personally don’t want to stand their endorsement of the party and it’s aims would give credibility and reassurance to the indy cause

The very fact that the likes of Pete ( maybe in a few years ) wishart is pouring scorn on the idea and is deliberately attempting to insist that it will damage SNP chances without looking at the possible advantages to indy , tells me that he is worried for the future of the warm benches at wastemonster

I believe it’s Prince Andrews birthday today, so who are all having a party?

Sorry, no one?

Miserable shower.

ben madigan @ 1:30 pm

You write: “the Constitution Unit at University College London adds to the discussion on Scotland’s Claim of Right. The CU says it is the UK’s leading research body on constitutional change.”

It’s kind of important to add who actually wrote the article you refer to – none other than that well kent figure here on WoS, Mr David Torrance!

FIRST IT WAS A TRICKLE …..

link to m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Scotland’s pro-EU stance triggers watchmaking firm’s move from England
The Marloe Watch Company, which is relocating to Perth, said its values are ‘much more in line with Scotland than the rest of Britain right now.

A watchmaking firm has quit England for a new base in Scotland as a result of Brexit.

Bosses at the Marloe Watch Company said the move was part of a planned expansion strategy but was also influenced by Scotland’s support for the EU.
Co-founder Oliver Goffe said the company’s values are “much more in line with Scotland than the rest of Britain right now”.

He spoke out after the firm moved from Henley-on-Thames in Oxfordshire to Perth – where it plans to recruit new workers.

As a business, we would have preferred to remain and, post-Brexit, this is more likely to happen for Scotland than for the rest of Britain Oliver Goffe

The possibility that Scotland could become independent and rejoin the EU was said by the firm to be an “important trigger” in the relocation.

Mr Goffe said: “As a business, we are certainly pro-Remain so a Scottish base sits better with our values.

“We want our children to grow up in a global world, not one that’s ring-fenced.

“Our values are much more in line with Scotland than the rest of Britain right now.”

Frogesque says…I say.. ok I feel your frustration. How about we apply intellect to this question. I campaigned in 2014 and this is the first time I have commented on this blog since I left the SNP in early 2015 after NS give us an insight into her world.
A centre consensus party diving to the woke left. Why did we lose thd Ref are still unresolved. It’s all about the Murrells. Sturgeon has made a fortune on the back of your gullibility.

Tories texting about university places, how long before a Reporting Scotland expose.

I hear they are ringing bells to celebrate Prince Andrew’s birthday, apparently they have chosen ‘Bring Your daughter To The Slaughter’ this year, I’m intrigued as to how this will sound on hand bells.

I think we can all see now why Alex Salmond was taken out of the equation, now we have strategy from people like Pete Wishart. If your wondering who from the SNP will be first to accept a HoL place, I have an inkling.

The UK government *says* things but the Scottish government only *claim* things
Jimson Carsplot *says* It’s all good, but the FM only *claims* that it’s not

As long as Scots tolerate being told they’re second class, they’ll continue to be second class, and the media tells Scotland that every day, over and over and over again

You can’t be unless you can see, and you can’t see when somebody’s blinding you

Reluctant Nationalist says:
19 February, 2020 at 7:23 pm
@ manandboy

Re: Marloe. Their brand is all about being ‘British’, so they’re full of it. Opportunistic glish rats, nothing more.

Cheers, Reluctant Nationalist.

jfngw at 642pm,

Oh, yes, Pete would be literally chomping at the bit.

The SNP has sadly started becoming a party of careerists and greasy pole climbers. Just like Labour did – does Pete remember what happened to them???

Well it’s obvious how Pete Wishart managed to get his majority back. He reassured all those Perthshire Tories that voting for him would ensure no Indyref2 as long as he was their MP.

Every statement he has made since the election reaffirms that. Job done Pete.

John Redwood thinks it’s not xenophobic to want to control immigration, how can it be xenophobic to want to protect your own *culture*

I must say it was the use of the word *culture* that surprised me the most, I’m sure he was thinking white people but culture sounds better

Reluctant Nationalist @ 19:23,

Ah, but it’s when the “opportunistic rats” begin departing that you truly know that the ship is holed below the waterline. They are the fast-thinking precursor of what’s to follow.

You may not like the underlying motivation, but such hard-headed self-preserving calculation is far more convincing than a million pious or outright mendacious empty words. And before you know it, the trickle turns into a torrent as reality increasingly dawns, even among the natural sluggards. So be prepared for more of the same, and be glad of it.

Brexit may apparently have been the usual ‘English xenphobia’ etc. That’s not an unique condition to ‘England’; there as many in all walks as well as Scotland. Xenophobia was merely stoked, levered and weaponised.
Everything about Brexit, Scottish Independence etc. is about UK Parliamentary Sovereignty ie: the ability to interpret and apply a vague constitution as a Government sees fit.

It harks back decades (I have long paragraphs on that too – jeezus no!) but the most recent triggger was the “Factortame” case in the 90’s
TL;DR EU legislation was incoporated into UK legislation and that EU legislation, overrode any UK Pariamentary Sovereignty.
Ohhh tae fuck! Naww naww naww, wur no huvin that!
Even more recently the Miller case – naww naww absolutely naww – see! That’s what we’ve been talking about – taking back control

I’m no apologist for the EU. I have severe reservation about political integration, but as for the trade etc side, I’m far more aligned. Yes there is a degree where they are not mutually exclusive; however the Prime principle of the “UK” etc. is Parliamentary Sovereignty uber alles and deil tak the hindmost.

They will burn everything and salt the earth to preserve the ability to make anything up and be beholden to no-one. Laudable in the age of empires certainly – Not politic today. The age of Empires was the literal strength of the sword arm or the trigger – black was white if you said it was. The UK state is weak for only a short window. Let’s not stay our hand before we must wrestle with the 51st State.

Aye, strong words – ye want chips or roast tatties the night?
Eh, Naw, I wiz saying the time tae strike is now!… Roast tatties or chips I said!… eh, aye ok – tatties ta.

Referendum legal this, not legal that, once in a generation legal not legal, consultative referendum legal not legal, you get really fed up listening to folk use that word as if it means something

My mother was my legal guardian and threatened to kill me on multiple occasions as I’m sure many mothers do daily at the tops of their voices, we’re all still alive

So legal shmegal, laws get made unmade changed and renewed and even scrapped or we’d still be burning witches and sticking folks heads in the stocks

What constitutes making law, we elect a bunch of folk who sounded like they might want the same things we do then they make laws, Scotland’s a country and we elected a bunch of folk so make it so

You would think it would be that easy, it should be, our lot can make laws on some things but not other things by an agreement with another country who don’t want us to be making any laws at all, so that’s a bad law for a start

Even God made laws that nobody pays any attention to and he’s supposed to be a bigger boss than this other country that keeps telling us we can’t do things because they made a law that says so

America has *In God we trust* written on their money so they must think that’s very important
Maybe it’s about time for the combined churches and places of worship of all religions in Scotland to collectively make a call to the English Pharaoh to *let our people go*, after all they represent the word of the almighty on earth, would the UK Guv ignore that, the media wouldn’t, can you imagine the headlines

I’m having a bit of fun but only a bit because ss daft as this sounds why not ask them, before the plagues of shit descend upon us, oh and them down there in that other country as well, is the Pharoah going to ridicule the clergy, would he dare

Dr Jim

The SNP woke cult at Glasgow City Council blocked the son of the Rev. Billy Graham from preaching at the SSE Hydro.

So, I don’t think the churches in Scotland will be saying many prayers for the SNP. Unless, it’s prayers saying: get rid of the the Murrells and their woke cult colonial administration.

Dr Jim @ 12.01

Love your posts and the dry wit. Apropos of your reference to the exodus from Egypt I would like to be the first to wish a plague of frogs on our Fuhrer followed by lice and flies. That should keep him occupied for a bit whilst we go about securing our independence from the vampire state.

I WONDER WHEN PMJOHNSON WILL NOTICE THAT HALF OF ENGLAND IS FLOODED.

The Gods are very angry and vengeful because some genius started giving names to storms.

We should stop the practice immediately and stop the Teletubbies from making executive decisions.

The new immigration system.

“The entire country is being reformatted to make Nigel Farage more comfortable about hearing foreign languages on a train.”

“We imagine we are restricting others, but in reality we are imprisoning ourselves.”

link to archive.is

Famous 15 says:
“The Bible condemns gays as severely as those who eat shellfish or God help us,those who have a tattoo.Its in the same chapter FGS.”

Which chapter and from which Book, Famous. Do tell.

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Fascinating article in the National today….

link to tinyurl.com

Former Speaker of Westminster House of Commons favours the Scottish Government having the national authority to call IndyRef2

Whilst Pete Wishart prefers for Scotland NOT to call IndyRef2.

Could this be a reflection of the fact Pete Wishart loves Westminster, enjoys the London lifestyle and wants to become Speaker of the House of Commons?

link to bbc.co.uk

Might as well go the whole hog Pete and take ermine….

Lord Wishart of RunRig

Like so many of our SNP MPs Pete Wishart has deserted their SNP work ethic. He, and many of our 49 SNP MPs have defacated on Independence for Scotland and are concentrating on advancing their own personal careers in London.

Aye right.

Robbie Burns was absolutely correct. In fact I would paraphrase…

Bought and sold for corrosive gold

I loathe the Conservative Party and detest their cripple-killing Dickensian ethos – http://www.calumslist.org

However, the Tories and British State have played a blinder. The Independence movement under people such as Blackstock, Wishart and our current leader…

link to wingsoverscotland.com

…is at risk of being put back 50 years. We all knew that the British State would play all of its best cards. Who knew they had such well placed “leaders” within senior ranks of the SNP to carry out their wishes?

It is NOT IndyRef that is corrosive. It is the CURRENT SNP leadership. Change its name to H2SO4 for Scotland!

When it takes a Tory MP Speaker from THAT very institution which so many of us dislike, to show what a set of balls look like, whilst our own SNP high command as it currently sits, couldn’t call a taxi, then frankly, we are all screwed.

Here’s a phrase using the named as banned by the village idiom (sic) on here (RJS)…

Mr & Mrs Muriel do not want IndyRef2. Stuart Campbell has provided a ton of facts to verify this sad state of affairs.

Enough is enough, for the love of Scotland, PLEASE can someone call IndyRef2.

Show some leadership and stop being a lickspittle party that accepts £1,200.000 “short money” from England’s Westminster parliament every year.

John Bercow in the National:

“My view, by the way, for what it’s worth, on Scottish independence is simply that ultimately, if you believe in sovereignty, if you believe in self-government, if you believe in the right of people to choose their own destiny, it has to be up to Scotland ultimately to decide. At the point at which they do, I think that decision has to be respected.”

link to thenational.scot

Watching the article 50 inquiry on tv just now, everything seems like a big talking shop, are all the politicians in Europe and Scotland just part of a bigger plan to control the vast population, Al-Stuarts right we need pen pushers but pen pushers with a bit of bite to push for Independence now, not years from now, all the politicians will be getting their salary’s and their pension pot will grow and the thought of dissolving the Union will be forgotten about, we should have been pushing for it over three years ago, we seem to have swam right into their net. It’s one big talking shop.

Regarding Angus Robertson and the Edinburgh Holyrood seat, are we seeing Nicola Sturgeon starting to get her successor in place if it all goes wrong and the SG collapses because of the trial? If Joanna Cherry was in Holyrood she could contest the leadership by denying her what might seem a relatively safe seat that is so much harder.

Robertson is a long time ally and of a similar gradualist philosophy. There does seem more to this than it initially may seem.

Re my above comment, now that I think about it, why are we even pandering to any Westminster politicians or ex-Speakers of the House, on their opinions with regards when to hold a indyref.

The decision to hold a indyref is ours and ours alone, do you honestly think, if the shoe were in the other foot that Johnson would take heed of what our ex-Presiding officer at Holyrood Patricia Marwick had to say.

We should not be scrambling for words of comfort from a foreign governments ex-Speaker of the House, nor any other Westminster politician.

The UK and Boris Johnson tells lies then manufactures politics around those lies, that won’t work with the EU

Michael Russell this morning

Republic of Scotland – you have a point, but every little helps, and Scotland, with its present Government, needs all the help it can get.

There are good people everywhere. Scotland should not reject their assistance or contribution.

“There are good people everywhere. Scotland should not reject their assistance or contribution.”

I agree, and Sturgeon is already asking for funds, and a pound extra if you can spare it, but is it for next years election or a indy fighting fund, that’s supposed to already contain hundreds of thousands of pounds, but it can’t be located, its a secret.

If I’m correct, then the only way we can have a indyref sooner than later is if Sturgeon includes an indyref, consultative or other, in her manifesto for the 2012 election, then if we win big (indy parties at Holyrood) and I sincerely hope we do, then Sturgeon must next year, not the year after, or the following year, but next year, name a date for indyref2.

Harping on about mandates, just falls on deaf ears in London, and the unionist media always play them down, real action and courage will be required from Sturgeon, lets see if see possesses them, when it comes to naming a date.

I’m no arguing for Franklin Graham’s views. I had never even heard of him.

But, banning those whose opinions you don’t agree with or find distasteful goes against the freedom of speech principles of democracy. It also goes against freedom of religion.

It is an abuse of power, whether Glasgow City Council or other councils in England did it.

It also creates potential precedents which BJ and his mob will use to stifle freedom of speech against his English nationalism one nation creed.

manandboy @ 10,48 am asked:

Whatever the difference is between Scotland and Europe which makes them better able to handle Westminster, we ought to find out soon.

The difference is well-documented, and perhaps never better than by this:

“It’s SHITE being Scottish! We’re the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don’t. They’re just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can’t even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We’re ruled by effete assholes. It’s a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won’t make any fucking difference.”

There’s your answer, right there. Thank you Mark Renton.

That’s a fine point alright which Mark Renton makes, Socrates. He is obviously a man of considerable wit, not to mention diplomacy and discretion

I’m still laughing!

Socrates MacSporran @11.01am

Look that kind of destructive negative comment doesn’t help matters at all. We’ve come a long way since the Scottish parliament was reconvened. In the roughly twenty years since, we’ve held an indyref, and have shown that we can govern our country better than some other countries, even with one hand tied behind our backs, that in itself is a great achievement in such as short time.

Lets not forget, that we are not Canada or Australia that are thousands of miles from London, no we’re right next door. With all, that entails, media etc. No I think we’re doing pretty well considering 300+ years of this union that’s continually attempted to phase out all things Scottish, whilst draining our resources.

So lets not go down that self degrading road, which leads to nowhere but despair, think positive.

Flooded Britain: a new normal? (In the Guardian)

England is flooded in many places. How hard is it to use the word ‘England’.

‘Britain’ – the new England.

Drip, drip, drip.

Unless there is what amounts to a massive earthquake in Scottish politics that once in a generation thing may become a reality.
The SNP is not ‘feeding’ its supporters. Where has the hope gone let alone the dynamic?
The Johnson effect is rippling through and crippling political discourse. That ‘depoliticization’ was of course part of the plan. The Tories have the power. The rest can go to hell.
Johnson may well be secure for a couple of terms. Like Trump he has set the cat among the opposition pigeons.
A lesson in the uses of power.

Odd choice of pic from a UK Surveyor…

link to twitter.com

FWIW Archived Dominic Cummings Blog from August 2014

Note who makes the first comment.

link to web.archive.org

manandboy says: at 9:15 am
Famous 15 says:
“The Bible condemns gays as severely as those who eat shellfish or God help us,those who have a tattoo.Its in the same chapter FGS.”

Which chapter and from which Book, Famous. Do tell.
Ps… and which version?

Hey Colin

You are annoying like trying to pick up mercury you slither to some other area.

Yes I am an atheist but respect people of faith so long as they do not preach hate.

So does Franklin Graham preach hate?

Go online and read his hate filled sermons. Get back to me when you get informed.

More head turning nonsense in order to boost the flagging union.

link to thenational.scot

Meanwhile I can only hope that those who are disgruntled inside the Tory branch office in Scotland make their feelings known. This aside, I’m sure I read some under Carlaw some want a second indyref, knowing fine well its the proper and democratic way to go.

Lets hope their moral standards outweigh their gravy train lust….Naw who am I trying to kid.

link to thenational.scot

With the news of a pipe bomb being thrown at the house in West Belfast of a brother of Pat Minivan, a brief reminder:-

“Pat Finucane, 39, a Belfast lawyer who represented a number of high-profile republicans, was shot dead in front of his family by loyalist gunmen at his home in 1989.

At the time of the murder up to 29 members of the Ulster Defence Association units involved in the killing were working as agents for one or more branches of the security forces.
There have been long-standing allegations that members of the security forces colluded with the solicitor’s loyalist killers.”

This was a murder of a citizen of the United Kingdom, authorised by the English Government, when Mgt Thatcher was PM.

All the Republican groups in NI are reported to have said they were not involved in the pipe bomb incident.

There are many good people in England. The rest, perhaps not so good. But more than a few are well capable of the odd atrocity or three. Such has been the English Establishment for over three centuries, both at home and abroad. They have no intention of stopping now, even though the SNP Government seem to think they are fully fair and democratic.

@ Jack Murphy @ 12.37pm

Hi Jack, Ms Patel seemed to infer yesterday, in response to Scottish government’s concerns, that the Scottish government had powers to ‘mitigate’ the impact of the new immigration policy as dictated by the Tory government.

If certain Scottish farmers and fishermen voted for Brexit and THEN voted to elect a Tory MP then tis they, their chosen elected Tory MP, who they should doorstep and seek a solution and most definitely NOT the Scottish government who forewarned them .

Alister Jack, Douglas Ross, David Duguid, Andrew Bowie, David Mundell and John Lamont are the people who, post the 2016 Brexit vote, promised and indeed endorsed the future for their two industries would be rosy under a Tory Brexit government ……they did this by convincing (though not much convincing needed as some of their target audience were blinded by bigotry and would follow ‘cult’ like anywhere the Tories would try and lead them) them that the Common Fisheries agreement as agreed by Edward Heath TORY PM was detrimental and somehow they, the Tories, would address this with sunny uplands and fresh waters for all.

Reap what you sow and cast your nets wide…..and look what happens…..

The very fact that absolutely NO Scottish Tory MP, MSP etc were available to comment on Gary Robertson’s show re the new TORY immigration policy the other day speaks VOLUMES….quick enough to comment when opportunity for SNPBAD but predictably elusive when the sheeite hits the fan and unable to spin spin spin.

I await the usual and as per predictable calls for ” what is the Scottish Government going to do for our farming and fishing industries….”…..and this will be instigated by the very party (Tories), aided by their BT colleagues Lib Dem and Labour, and we Scots will, as per, watch in amazement, frustration and anger at how f**ked up and corrupt politics and the complicit media are……to protect and maintain a (Non) Union who it would appear exists to f**k up everything that will benefit us Scots and the country we live in…Scotland.

Brian Taylor, Glenn Campbell, Sarah Smith, Kaye Adams, Gordon Brewer et all….. tis over to you…..I await with bated breath at how you will present this…indeed if you will have the audacity to twist this into another SNPBAD …..Brasso sales await a surge and you, together with your Yoon politicians,are their best and most recurring buyers/users/customers….your collective necks gleam….the Brass neck brigade march on under the Union Jack flag trying to blind us Scots to the truth….unfortunately for you we, canny Scots, already know the truth and it is not WHAT you desperately try to present it as or indeed HOW you present it….there for you is the RUB…pun intended in relation to brass necks…Lol

They are rattled when FM puts Scottish public service statistics in context by comparing other countries . Tory England and Labour Wales in particular gets them all hot and bothered to the extent that they have faux laughter sessions after each answer .The opposition are very shallow

The Tories on twitter are in danger of blowing a blood vessel. They hate context. But most of all they hate Tory run England being shown to be poorly governed. How dare she! They have great expectations but little self awareness. Entitled from birth are the Tories

Also meant to add that I, a couple of years ago, wrote on this site that the Tories would state that the unemployed ‘Brits’ would take up the slack in jobs previously done by immigrants…..I added also that the perfect and winning solution for the Tories, AND supported by working class employed Gammons , would be that if the unemployed did NOT agree to do this then their benefits would be sanctioned…in a uber Brexit dominated society those on benefits are demonised and their reliance on benefits is presented as a black and white issue.

To working class Gammons there is no grey area, no individual stories or tragic circumstances that lead people onto benefits…according to working class Gammons they, the unemployed, are ALL spongers who do not want to work so if their, the working class Gammons, Brexit Tory government CHOOSE to impose penalties upon those skivers who they, the working class Gammons, pay for, then that is only right…after all the mission is to ‘Make Britain Great Again’ and these skivers and benefit scroungers better get with the program…..Get Brexit Done…and nothing and no-one better get in the way and stop it happening…

What a laugh (Not) the employed working class Gammons and retired working class Gammons turning on the unemployed working class while the Tory elite cannot believe they have manufactured such a scenario….obvs enabled by a complicit media who have done so much to portray those on benefits as worthless subsidy junkies ……where for many of those unfortunates reliant on benefits their past lives are full of sad and sometimes tragic experiences that have dictated their current circumstances which, by both the media and certain politicians , is never considered or highlighted as a factor in how they have ended up in such desperate situations where achieving any hope, prospects or happiness for the future is considered unattainable.

The Haves and the Have NOTS…that is Brexit UKnotOK where some will flourish financially while others will descend into more misery and poverty….strangely the working class and retired working class gammons will fall into the category of have nots… but their attention is distracted by dreams of a new age and a golden dawn ……the reality is of course to follow the money and to understand that only those with money will gain even MORE money come what may…. but one cannot convince those disciples of Brexit who inadvertently are determined to help the rich get richer while simultaneously diminishing their own very limited ‘wealth’ ……twas ever thus …in UKnotOK for sure.

Not sure if it needs to be “twas ever thus” for Scotland , if we all , together with whichever political party we choose to lead us, can get our collective act together and GTF out of this sheeite fest…..long overdue but NOT past achieving…

@mike cassidy at 3.15pm

One has to ask if enough specific mandates have been acquired to proceed with the implementation of this.

Now that Holyrood has the ability to hold referenda it would be ideal to put the question to the sovereign Scottish people.
I mean, we’re trying to get out of a monumental clusterfeck of what is the UnUnited Kingdom shamocracy, so aspiring to be more democratic and letting Scottish society’s views be known on such matters would surely be a fine way to proceed.
If IScotland is just going to be corrupted with lobby groups and corporate capture determining our futures then fuck it all tae fuck, there’s fishing to be done…

Alex Rowley says he will support a referendum on Independence for Scotland if demand can be demonstrated, then he goes on to say three polls of just over 50% isn’t a demand

Michael Russell pointed to the fact that in elections and otherwise that’s what Scotland voted for when they voted SNP, Mr Russell went on to say that Westminster held a referendum on Brexit with no demand whatsoever, they campaigned to create a demand that Nigel Farage pressed them into

Mike Russell said that Ministers in the UK government don’t reply to letters and don’t turn up to Scottish committees to give evidence or to answer questions and it’s been like that for at least two years

The JMC is either snubbed altogether or cut so short as to being without point or purpose, Wales Norn Ireland and Scotland reps turn up for the JMC but England half the time just can’t be bothered because they don’t care

The only questions Westminster politicians are prepared to answer are when journalists pose them if given the chance
They do not read documents sent to them and refuse to reply to them when they are, they just say no to everthing without any knowledge of what the documents contain as evidenced by the recent immigration visa plans for Scotland, they said no before they even saw the documents

Mike Russell said this is the attitude they are taking into the EU negotiations because they are deliberately seeking a no deal Brexit because they already know they cannot have a Canada style deal because of two things, Proximity and the fact that the Canadian deal was based upon the devolved areas of Canada being in the room and taking part in those negotiations as per the demands of the Flemish of Belgium and the UK will not tolerate Scotland being a part of what they consider UK negotiations even though devolved competencies are being discussed

This is going to be a problem for the UK because fisheries are a devolved competency to Scotland and the EU will not fudge a deal that it cannot enforce legally so it may be that the province of Wallonia proves once again to be decisive in its previous interventions on Canada and that precedent has been set

Mike Russell went on to talk about Michael Gove when he said that Mr Gove spends more time in the fishing communities of the North east of Scotland than half the people working there telling them eveything’s going to be fine and dandy in the new UK coastal state they voted for, and I have to tell you that Mr Gove is lying through his teeth to those people

That’s mostly all of what I can remember as nearly accurate as I can

@ Dr Jim @ 3.43pm

Dr Jim…..once again I salute you…you are one of THE best commentators on this site…though there are a few others.

Keep it up…your resilience, input and presence on here is indeed inspiring.

Have a good evening

“Alex Rowley says he will support a referendum on Independence for Scotland if demand can be demonstrated, then he goes on to say three polls of just over 50% isn’t a demand”

This is Rowleys way of trying to deflect from the fact that we have numerous cast iron mandates to hold a indyref.

It wouldn’t matter to the likes of Rowley or Leonard or Carlaw, or the unionist parrot Rennie, if the polls were showing yes at 60% or more, they’d just change the language to fit the unions narrative.

We have the mandates, we have the poll figures in our favour, we just need the SNP to set the date. The rest is just bluff and bluster.

The Scottish government will promise to hold a indyref from now until the 6th of May next year, to win big in the election. We must hold them to account on that, Sturgeon must include a indyref in her manifesto.

@Clapper57 3:51pm

Aren’t you just made of sugar, you’re so kind

A new party, if it happens, should be a single issue party.

Asserting Scottish sovereignty.

We already have a parliament of colonial administrators at Holyrood.

If Holyrood were the Parliament of Scotland, rather than a WM branch office, Sturgeon wouldn’t be bending the knee in subservience and we wouldn’t have been dragged out of the EU against our will.

Holyrood could become the reconvened Parliament of Scotland but that means ending Holyrood devolution / colonial slavery.

Surgeon tweets about how wonderful it was to meet the new French ambassador and that the SG wants Scotland to stay as close to the EU as possibile.

How about being in the EU? That’s as close as possibile.

First requirement, an indyref.

Salmond secured an indyref with just 6 MPs. Sturgeon couldn’t get one with 48 MPs.

Haha! A new superhero for a brave new dawn!

Well we did already have a Captain Britain in Marvel comics (away back in my plooky youth) and we also did have our own Judge – Judge MacBrayne of Glescal in CalHab; in the Brit-Cit episodes of Judge Dredd
So nothing new under the sun.

Calhab is probably our future if we don’t take care!
link to judgedredd.fandom.com

“Never mind the indy ref (which could be heavily rigged by postal votes). NS now needs to say, our manifesto is ,a majority vote for the Snp in 2021 is as margaret thatcher said, enough for a declaration of independence.”

Mike.

Oh yes how wonderful that would be just to declare it then and there. However would the international community recognise it without a referendum? That’s what really matters.

I don’t trust IDOX or the Electoral Commission the former ran by an old Tory, the latter captured by the state.

But as I say its international recognition that counts.

Clapper57 -3.15
Actually, I would think that quite a large percentage of the population would agree with the notion of nudging people away from benefits into work.
Apart from the savings in benefits, the beneficial aspects of being employed and earning a wage cannot be underestimated.
If you look around, so many of the folks in wheelchairs are grossly overweight, and although some might have some ailment, some fat reducing activity can only be to the good.
Lots of the jobs currently done by Europeans are very healthy and fitness improving, such as fruit picking and in the catering industry.
There are obviously folks who cannot work but there is a very strong case for rigorous assessments to be made to ensure that our taxes are not being wasted.
Just seems common sense.

Until today, I never considered that people might have been brainwashed with material from the Bible.

Now I know.

The Brainwashing of Scotland is bigger than Coronavirus.

Just not yet recognised.

If it’s not the Brits it’s the Bible.

What a mess!

The on-line National carries a report of failed Tory candidate Jimmy Buchan’s attack on Patel’s Immigration Plan.

Surprise, Surprise the on-line Herald, Scotsman and Record seem to be blissfully unaware of this outburst from Buchan.

Let’s see if it is covered by Misreporting Scotland and the STV News.

It’s funny though isn’t it, God never wrote the Bible if you believe in that sort of thing, God wrote the 240 odd commandments, again if you believe in that sort of thing

Man wanting power wrote the Bible = Early politician
Man whittled down the commandments to ten = Early politician

Then man reinterpreted the whole idea into several different methods as to how to worship the God that didn’t write any of that stuff but man insisted that he/she did and if you didn’t worship in the style they wanted they’d kill you in the name of the God they reinvented = becoming smarter politician

It’s all just like today where Boris Johnson has reinterpreted himself as God and the King and all the other titles he can lay claim to = a modern politician exactly like the early politicians except they called themselves priests until they became unpopular and changed the name to politician

I’m quite sure if there is a Deity he/she wouldn’t ever have intended this level of mince and if he/she does exist he/she should get back here now and batter seven colours out of the bad people who keep repeating this shit over and over because everybody’s fed up with it, throw a few tables over and do a bit of smiting about the place

Dr Jim says, “batter seven colours out of the bad people”.

How very Old Testament, Jim, and here’s me thinking you weren’t religious. You’re right up there with the best of them. Old time religion of course, but hey, it’s a start!

The ultra unionist STV news only carried one good story tonight (robot arms doing bowl surgery) on its flagship teatime programme.

The rest of the stories were aimed at attacking the Scottish government and its councillors, via prisons, council tax rises, and other less prominent swipes.

One story was that of civil servants allegations of bullying by Fergus Ewing who vehemently denies the accusations. It could be all very Salmond-esque in nature.

@ Pete @ 5.36pm

Your a naughty boy Pete…how you doin.

“More rigorous assessments”…where have you been Pete..they already exist…some people have already died via these “rigorous assessments”…deemed fit to work and benefits cut resulting in the deaths of those poor people.

These fruit picking jobs will not replace the need for benefits because they do not pay enough and to a farmer costs are everything so no living wage to be had from them….not sure presenting them as an alternative to a fitness camp will be a winning argument either Lol….

As I said nothing is black and white…the grey area cannot be excluded no matter how much the powers that be and certain media outlets choose to exclude them as a factor for many having to live on benefits …..also some people in receipt of benefits also work, unfortunately as they are deemed ‘unskilled’ they do not ‘benefit’ from a decent livable wage that affords them the luxuries that (perhaps) you and I have access to and enjoy ….there but for the grace of God go you and I .

So it may be “common sense” to you but to others it is just another way for the Tories to kick those already down while implementing a policy, Brexit, for the ‘benefit’ of the few and to the detriment of the many…..

Have a good evening Pete….my God your persistent Lol

Clapper 57 says “some people in receipt of benefits also work, unfortunately as they are deemed ‘unskilled’ they do not ‘benefit’ from a decent livable wage “.

Many of these working people receiving benefits are skilled, some even to graduate and post-graduate level. The problem isn’t always just the low wage, it is also the abomination of zero-hours contracts and very part-time contracts which many workers, skilled as well as unskilled, are caught up in. Also, many disabled people, both skilled and unskilled, need certain benefits to enable them to enter and remain in the workplace e.g. expensive items to help cope with the realities of disablement.

It is wrong to assume that the low paid and benefits claimants are all unskilled. They are not generally ‘scroungers’ either but disadvantaged individuals struggling, but yet determined to contribute to society and to lead as normal a life as they possibly can.

Clapper57
My bad, not reading carefully enough. 🙂 Glad we are on the same page.

@ Fionan @ 7.06pm

Nope you are most definitely not bad Lol as you highlighted the many things I did NOT mention and you did it most eloquently as well…so yes we are on the same page…see how passionate we all are on here….thank God some of us in Scotland are passionate Lol

have a good evening

Dr Jim

Here’s your man himself:

link to twitter.com 🙂

@Graf Midgehunter

Aye that’s a God (good) one breathe deep and haud it in, keep haudin keep haudin till ah say keep haudin some mere

@ Republicofscotland

I’ve said it here a couple of times before and I’ll keep saying it. If AUOB are serious about independence and they have a minimum of 80,000 marchers as *they* claim, then take them and march down to Charlotte Square to Bute House.

Who’s going to stop 80,000 people? The police? The army would have to put up barricades to stop that amount of people.

Of course, that’s just a fantasy. We all know that AUOB is a social gathering with no interest in fostering any kind of change, let alone independence because like the SNP, if independence ever happens, they lose their purpose and self importance.

“Of course, that’s just a fantasy. We all know that AUOB is a social gathering with no interest in fostering any kind of change,”

Well no I don’t believe that, I believe that they march for independence in all, weathers, I might add, but they like the rest of us they rely on Sturgeon to lead the way on independence which she’s not doing and the AUOB are beginning to realise this, Sturgeon very seldom shows up at these marches, even more so now for fear of being held accountable.

I agree with you that if Sturgeon doesn’t name a date at the very latest post 6th March 2021 elections (I’d prefer sooner but its highly unlikely as the coffers are empty) then protests outside Bute House, AUOB included, should take place, Sturgeon must be held accountable on her indy promise.

“We have to get Labour and Conservative MSPs on board I think a few of them are sitting on the knife edge maybe troubled in their own minds and some of the people who voted for them will be thinking the same it’ll only take one to start it rolling, some of them seem to be agreeing more with what’s happening at Holyrood.”

Agreed, once the wheels are put into motion, and that can only happen when Sturgeon names a date, then yes, those in the unionist camps at Holyrood, who stil believe in the right to choose via a democratic referendum could hop aboard the indy wagon.

However the catalyst is missing, the date, again we’re back to Sturgeon.

North Cheil.

“However, surely if our FM named the day , then funds would “ roll in “ irrespective of the 2021 Holyrood election. “ . In fact surely the very naming of a date would “ burst the dam” ”

Yes I’d imagine funds would roll in, however hundreds of thousands of pounds have already rolled in but where they went to no one knows. Of course naming a date would then bind Sturgeon to a commitment so yes I agree with you.

link to thenational.scot

Shug Hardly, only 29% of Northern Irish voters back a United Ireland in the latest poll this week

link to m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Manandboy @ 4.55
The Jesus Christ character from the that book also says ” not a jot or tittle of the law shall be changed “, therefore it’s fair to say he clearly supports the old testament rules of his Da.
So if you’re looking for inspiration from that book!
I’d suggest Lucifer,he never killed anybody throughout the whole series and apples are much better for the environment that bread and fish… 🙂

The Italian Jewish author and concentration camp survivor, who had seen women and children driven into gas chambers, wrote “Auschwitz exists, therefore God doesn’t”.
Difficult to argue against that.

shug No, as that poll shows Alliance voters, the swing voters in Northern Ireland are 70% for staying in the UK alongside the excellent Deal Remain voting Northern Ireland is getting ie avoiding a hard border with the Republic and staying in a CU and most of the SM.
Leave voting England and Wales are getting the Brexit they voted for too.
That just leaves Remain voting Scotland. Well Scotland voted 55% to stay in the EU in 2014 in a ‘once in a generation’ referendum so will leave the EU on the same terms as England and Wales with Boris ruling out indyref2. Sturgeon to her credit has accepted Holyrood cannot try and hold an indyref without Westminster consent and has a very well paid day job to get on with dealing with Scottish domestic policy, so there we are. The UK is fine

Fireproofjim says: at 10:43 pm

“The Italian Jewish author and concentration camp survivor, who had seen women and children driven into gas chambers, wrote “Auschwitz exists, therefore God doesn’t”.
Difficult to argue against that.

Behold, the absence of truth and understanding.

Man chooses evil – therefore God doesn’t exist?

Who gave man the freedom to choose?

Who would not rail against his creator upon the realisation that he had been denied the freedom to choose.

The truth is that humans have, uniquely, free will. ‘I think, therefore I am’.
The German Nationalist Socialist Party exercised their free will and chose to exterminate those they considered unworthy of Arian purity. Hey, let’s blame God for humans’ freely made choices. No problem – he’s used to it.

HYUFD

There is no such thing as a once in a generation referendum. Only an unscrupulous politician would try to sell that idea. Only a clueless person would buy it.

HYUFD 11.02
The UK is not and never has been fine and you can start with the history of Ireland.
And there is no such thing as a democratic vote for Scotland given the superior numbers of English voters and MP`s. The Scottish ref in `14 was a sham with 100% of media attacking SNP and ending with the big (vow) lie.
The Westminster regime disgusts me , from the McCrone report to MI5 spying on the SNP.

Northern Ireland, yet another place the Troll has never been to but knows everything about, I bet he’s got a wee Shamrock to prove his credentials on it just like when he visited the Embra festival once and got a see you Jimmy bunnet, when he talks about Wales he probably has a leek

I have relatives in NI as well as everywhere else and they are definitely on the edge of reunification, their problem is does the Republic want to bear the cost of taking on a poverty stricken province of England to bring them up to the standard of living the Republic has, because every pensioner, every worker, every unemployed or sick person in the North has only two thirds of the income of their cousins in the south, that’s a huge amount of money for the Republic to come up with to fill that gap and that’s before they even consider the infrastructure the Republic would have to invest in the North

I’m sure a way could be found but you know the English government will immediately threaten to cut off pension payments and tell them they’re all going to die at the hands of the terrorists and sellers of blood because no more blood transfusion or kidneys or visits from the Queen to make them all feel better, on the other hand NI costs the UK money and they’re all Bogtrotting Tinker Paddies like Scots are all Verminous drunk argumentative wasters, so who knows

But you’d think the nicknames for our Nations alone would be enough for most self respecting people whoever they are, I hope so

Manandboy
You accuse me of being unable to appreciate truth and understanding when I quoted the famous Italian Jewish philosopher, Primo Levi, from his experience of Auschwitz.
I suggest your understanding might improve if you read his memoir of Auschwitz and how he saw Jewish women praying to their God to save their children (Not themselves) prior to their gassing.
That is when he said “Auschwitz exists. Therefore God doesn’t.”
Your ramblings about free will don’t impress me. The victims of Auschwitz were not granted free will.
Another philosopher said. “ if God sees evil but does nothing he is either indifferent to suffering or unable to mitigate it. Why then call him God?”
I was brought up in the Church of Scotland but when I became a man I put away such childish things.

Fek in Abrahamics get my goat.
Yeah they want their stories realised. Cunts.
Chosen peoples, second coming , Armageddon. The shitstorm they want will affect most globally.
Gaia will with or without get on most likely with a natural level of dragon people in the ascendency.
Us safe Western European’s can hope for subsistence as care workers in the care home nations of the former wealth centres of recent centuries.
Am considering a change

I feel drawn to hyfud for advice.

Polls are propaganda tools whereas demographics are hard facts. The No majority in 2014 was 400K since then 400K of Scots have died. The Union is dead time to bury the corpse.

manandboy says:
20 February, 2020 at 5:49 pm

Until today, I never considered that people might have been brainwashed with material from the Bible.

It’s all in there…It’s now!

BBC have a new strap line for all Scottish news reports:

“Under the freedom of information act, the BBC have uncovered
That SNP are BAAAAAD.

They must have a very extensive and expensive dept pestering the
Bloody life out of the Scottish government for statistics and then the
Team of Westminster script writer deciding who to word it, edit it or bury it,
If the information should prove positive.

Be nice if they used that resource to make entertaining shows that could replace
Peak time Saturday night viewing that has been showing Dad’s Army repeats for
The last 50 years.

Don’t tell them our game Pike!