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Posted on January 23, 2025 by

Robin McAlpine published a very important piece yesterday, detailing how the SNP is about to become even more of a leadership dictatorship than it already is.

You can read the article to see why this is a change of enormous importance, and a catastrophic one for the independence movement. It will make it just under 17 times harder for any sitting SNP leader to be challenged for the leadership – let alone defeated – and effectively turns the party into a private oligarchy every bit as total and unaccountable as that of Reform (which is not a member-directed political party in the conventional sense, but a limited company personally owned by Nigel Farage, who holds a majority of the voting shares and can do whatever he pleases with it).

We’re annoyed at ourselves, because we got sent the document revealing the change a month ago, but we missed it. And now we’re going to show you why.

Below we’ve highlighted the only mentions of the policy change.

The ironically-titled “Transparency Review” has two page 13s – certainly unlucky for anyone in the party still clinging to a belief in democracy, or as the paper calls it in a stark piece of cynical gaslighting, “the supreme mandate of the members” – and buried on the second page 13 are the two curt paragraphs detailing the proposal for anyone who has somehow managed to remain awake through the preceding dozen pages of tedious wonkspeak and tables of implementation progress reports.

It’s perhaps worth pointing out that the SNP has not suffered from an excessive churn of leaders. Since taking its recognisable modern form it’s had just seven in the last 56 years – William Wolfe, Gordon Wilson, Alex Salmond, John Swinney, Nicola Sturgeon and Humza Yousaf. The typical SNP leader holds the office for almost a decade, with Yousaf’s hapless 13-month misrule dragging that figure down considerably.

(Scottish Labour, by contrast, have burned through 10 different full-time leaders in just 26 years and the Scottish Tories 4 in 13 years. That means the average reign for an SNP leader, even including the Yousaf aberration, is 8 years against 3.25 for a Scottish Tory leader and just 2.6 for a Scottish Labour one. Whatever issues the SNP has, switching its leaders too often is not one of them.)

There was no problem to solve. The last time the party chose a leader there wasn’t even a nominal contest – only one person wanted the job. Nor have its leadership elections usually been close or bitterly fought. John Swinney won in 2004 with 84% of the vote, Alex Salmond succeeded him with 76% of the vote, and Nicola Sturgeon took over unopposed, as did Swinney for his second stint. Only Yousaf’s was a meaningful contest, and much good it did him.

But nevertheless even that microscopic prospect of possible future dissent has now been ruthlessly stamped on. As Robin notes, the new rule would make mounting a leadership challenge to all practical intents and purposes impossible. Once a leader is in place, nothing can realistically be done until they voluntarily step down or die.

 

(This seismic change has been seemingly brought about by just six people. We can safely assume that it’ll be duly rubber-stamped by the payroll vote at the withered and tightly-controlled conference in a few weeks’ time.)

John Swinney is now less of a leader, not even a President, but a King, ruling without election for life. And given that Swinney has never really been all that bothered about independence, that ought to worry anyone who cares about it.

We really don’t know how much clearer it needs to get.

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FOOTNOTE: As further evidence that internal democracy is dead in the SNP, at the same meeting in December it was also quietly determined that the “branch dividend” – the proportion of membership income allocated to branches to run the local parties – will be reduced in future from 25% to 15%.

In recent years that payment has been largely imaginary, as SNP HQ has raided it to plug gaping holes in the accounts, but nevertheless it’s a significant signal that the leadership wants to centralise power even more and eliminate whatever remaining tiny scraps of influence ordinary members might have.

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Geri

Who really cares anyway? I doubt the SNP will even be a thing so any leader they bolt in for life will be of little importance.

Unless of course the yoons start voting for them & all interlopers came with the same set of instructions.

Holyrood is deid. It’s past the point of return just as predicted it would be in the event of a No vote. Said elsewhere the only sickner is that it was done supposedly by our own side.

Harry Dunlop

I find it amusing that people still believe Humza Yousaf succeeded Sturgeon as the result of poll of SNP members at the time. And here we are today…

Tommo

Would the 2.5% requirement be of then current membership or-as in the case of the ‘100 members constitutes just 0.15% of our membership at the most recently published figure’- be based on that last ‘published figure’ ? I suspect I know the answer.

Campbell Clansman

But what if the SNP “leadership” lies about membership numbers (as many say they’ve done in the past) in order to manipulate the 2.5% requirement and discourage challenges?

Andrew Morton

The membership is whatever the leadership claims it is, so how would anyone know if they cleared the 2.5% bar?

Mia

That is the thing, they will not. They are completely at the merci of whatever the dictator installed as “leader” chooses to disclose. And when the “leader” is Mr Redacting Black Pen himself, well, it will be absolutely nothing.

johnny

“John Swinney won in 2004…”

2000, no?

Not the point of the article and I am sorry for the pedantry.

Jim Thomson

I really can’t see why so many of the current members are still hanging in there. There is zero chance of any meaningful change to the constitution that will bring back a truly democratic NEC i.e. one without the gerrymandering additions of the “interest” groups with full voting powers.

What an effing shambles.

Willi

Less ordinary members on the NEC more special interest. That ells you that nothing has changed in this rank rotten special interest party.

But that’s why after 37 years membership I left. The runes were becoming crystal clear, at least to me during the Covid shutdown

Back then Nicola Sturgeon was still a saint sent among us. Indeed. I remember back then onel Argyll and Bute MP spitting venom shouting at members for the temerity to suggest that Surgeon might not be just as wholesome in approach as was at that time still generally perceived.

Greatest living Scotwoman ever was the cry of Brendan O’Hara as he remonstrated how he would brook no comment about her.

Aye, greatest ever Scotswoman eh? But hey ho the rigged slush tub is still at the same games.

Dan

TBF this tightening of rules was probably a prescient or preemptive move by the cabal what with James Kelly rejoining the NuSNP…

Ian

Rudderless and heading into Corryvreckan. Ironic that 1984 was written nearby but nearly wasn’t because of it.

Ian

If I were to be cruel, I would suggest that it won’t take that long until 2.5% of members equals 100 members anyway.

Mark Beggan

The remaining members of the SNP will organised into the Volksstrum Schotland and sent to defend the river Order.

Vivian O’Blivion

Battening doon the hatches for the storm to come (and I ain’t referring to Storm Eowyn). Party finances are circling the stank.

The once munificent £1.3 m pa in British State, Short money is a fond and distant memory. The 10% tithes they extracted from the £90k salaries of MPs is decimated as the feckless 56 elected in 2015 are now the nonentity 9. Tithes from MSPs will diminish (to a lesser extent) after next year’s Holyrood election. The £600k ringfenced, Indy fund vanished into a miasma (the Gartcosh Polis doggedly pursue the case in the face of Permanent State obstructionism). Other “creative” revenue streams are closed off. *
?
* The “donation” Anum Qaisar’s daddy (allegedly) made to Jackson’s Entry got the pint-sized bimbo three years as the MP for Airdrie & Shotts. Not much of a return on investment.

Geri

They’ll find the same dark slush fund as Ruth the tank commander found & they’ll chalk it down as the proceeds of an anonymous raffle lol…

They’re a permanent block in Holyrood & good little soldiers now. That no doubt rakes in the perks to keep it just ticking along…

jock mctavish

Is this a precursor for Sturgeon’s return?

Geri

Jeez! Never thought of that…

Mia

That was the first thought that crossed my mind. Judging by the comments in her fanzine “The National”, it does look like her fan base is shrinking and fast. It is becoming quite obvious that the only way to instal her back in the position and keeping her there is by diktat.

Mark Beggan

If left untreated syphilis can affect parts of the brain.

Hatey McHateface

The stage is now set for a brand new Popular Scottish Independence Party.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man or woman?

I’ll kick off by drafting the first rule of the PSIP’s constitution:

1.1.1 No person who has ever represented, been employed by, or held office for the SNP in any way, whether paid or unpaid, professionally or other, openly or clandestinely, may join, work for, represent, or exert control or influence in any way over the PSIP and/or its members.

1.1.2 Any person who is a member of the PSIP, or who is employed by them in any capacity whatsoever, who is subsequently found to be in contravention of 1.1.1 will be immediately expelled, sacked or otherwise dismissed from the PSIP.

OK, that’s a good start. I’ll leave it to others to build on this foundation.

Mark Beggan

1.1.3 Four legs good Two legs bad.

Tartan Tory

I once delivered leaflets locally for the (good) SNP before 2014. Does that exclude me from becoming the Indy messiah?

Hatey McHateface

I think you will be OK, TT.

Back in the old days when we still had paper persons delivering the newspapers through our letter boxes, we would never have held them responsible for what was actually in the papers.

I’m assuming you were acting voluntarily. If you accepted money though, then you’re suspect 🙂

Mac Cuill

Colin Cameron MacDonald fully deserves the knighthood gained while at The Scottish Office ‘for services to Empire’. Who’d have thought that recruiting two law students in Edinburgh could ever have such a long-term impact on the independence movement?

Mark Beggan

Look up to the sky and behold!!
Queen of the Baby Boxes descends from heaven in her Focke-Wulf FW 200 Condor.

Hatey McHateface

“Only Yousaf’s was a meaningful contest, and much good it did him”

My recollection is that the contest was riven by procedural irregularities, with a threatened legal challenge from Ash Regan at one point.

Before she was put back in her box.

I prefer to see Yousaf’s brief tenure as the high-water mark for poorly-concealed DEI in Scottish Indy politics.

Maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part.

Mark Beggan

The creatures outside looked from man to pig and then from pig to man again….

Nae Need!

I find myself agreeing with you, yet again. Wtf is wrong with me? Purely rhetorical, I don’t want to hear it 🙂

Hatey McHateface

Just tell people you’ve become deranged by the onset of Trump 2.0.

Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a real condition.

link to edition.cnn.com

“Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a mental condition in which a person has been driven effectively insane due to their dislike of Donald Trump, to the point at which they will abandon all logic and reason.”

I don’t know if you can get signed off indefinitely with it, but only because I haven’t looked.

When he won the election, there were credible reports of people being given compassionate leave from work and study so they could grieve.

Garrion

Full tinfoil hat here, but it’s almost as if the party is being reconstructed not to achieve independence, but to be a constitutional and political blocker and permanent ‘gish galloper’ of any political advance towards independence. Reminds me of how the British intelligence services ended up hollowing out and in fact running the IRA and to a lesser extent Sinn Fein. They really are very very good at what they do.

Mark Beggan

Force Research Unit. Fishers of Men.

Alf Baird

The co-opted national party chooses ‘neutrality’, it depends on slogans and for the most part leaves the question of independence to future events. It takes the movement up a blind alley, delaying independence. The dominant national party elite becomes part of the colonial racket, it behaves like a gang, feathers its nest and builds up its pensions. Colonialism, which is always a co-operative venture with native elites, effectively draws the national party leaders under its wing. (Fanon)

Nae Need!

It’s certainly behaving like a mafia. And that’s a few steps up the ‘control-freakery scale’ fae a gang.

Dan

This is really just further tinkering to stitch it up even further.
It was basically sewn up 7 years ago as this article from 2021 explains.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Folk will remember the attempts by the “good guys” to try to regain some control but that came to nothing because the cabal already had enough control and power to see off all challenges and continuing to dictate the Party’s trajectory.

Nae Need!

Yip, internally-applied totalitarianism.

David Hannah

Time to put Peter Murrell & and nasty Nicola Sturgeon in prison. What is Dorothy Bain waiting for? At least they can now testify against each other, since dissolving their lavender marriage. Sturgeon is a black widow spider. And I suspect she will devour the former love of her life, and partner in crime when he takes the stand! Hahaha! I suppose it’s time for him to firefight on all fronts isn’t it?

Geri

“This seismic change has been seemingly brought about by just six people.”

That’s a marked improvement from just three last time. Bolting in Sturgeon & her hubby & removing party democracy. All masterminded by Angus Robertson, allegedly.

gregor

OMG, rotten SNP (hierarchy) has ring-fenced itself.

#NoEscape

ringfenced
Kenneth Jamieson

The public don’t care, they just want something they can vote for that will get Independence, most people don’t give a damn about internal squabbling, if anything it puts them off even more, I just want a party with a leader that shows leadership, get out of westminster as I won’t be voting for any party who sits in Westminster.

Dave Hansell

The key questions are, firstly, how is that “want” going to be achieved?

And secondly, are those who “want” this prepared to do anything whatsoever towards achieving that “want”?

Because doing nothing and expecting that “want” to appear by a process of spontaneous combustion (ie magic), whilst lamenting as squabbling the systemic and structural difficulties faced by the minority of the public who do attempt to do something towards achieving that “want”, has neither worked nor managed to move matters towards that “want” so far.

And that is unlikely to change no matter how long the public adopt that position of waiting for someone else to deliver that “want”.

Mia

Oh dear!!

Does this move mean the clique were anticipating a serious challenger from outwith the clique that they urgently needed to block? In that case, who? Flynn? Cherry?

Which of the two comedians will take the helm when Swinney decides to retire, would it be Mhairi Black or Sturgeon? Or will Gordon Brown give the position a shot? I mean, we already had the other half of the vow as CEO, didn’t we?

You can be incredibly cynical, of course, and think this move was not really to preserve Swinney’s unpopular leadership, but to ensure that once the political fraud returns to the driving seat that Yousaf and Swinney were simply keeping warm for her, she will not be taken down from the podium ever again.

In the short term, this may just be the ticket the establishment demanded to ensure the SNP fully tanks in 2026 to guarantee the “Scottish” Labour resurrection despite the serious bludgeoning that Sir Kid and Elderly Starver and Rachel from Accounts Mismanagement have taken to its credibility. I am sure we will not have to wait long until they wheel Curtice out again to give a “landslide” prediction for labour.

With every dirty move the SNP “leadership” makes, the prospect of not voting at all to accelerate the demolition of the whole rotten political edifice, becomes more and more attractive.

So, what does this dirty move mean for those who still are dreaming about “unity” and insisting in including the dirty SNP on any move for independence? Can they finally see what the rest of us has seen for years, that the SNP is nothing more than a Jupiter size lead balloon tied around its neck and strangling the independence movement?

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Alison

It’s their own coffin they’re hammering nails into, I don’t actually have a problem with them fast tracking their own demise.

Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh

I think it is Salmond’s coffin they are still anxiously hammering nails into. They are very frightened people.

100%Yes

Aye and their taken Scotland with them. We need to end the SNP dominance in Scottish politics and educate the public the reason why the SNP needs to be destroyed and these Individuals bought to justice. This is the reason they won’t allow Scotland to have a vote on the constitutional question, they know their skin is on the line.

gregor

Keep wielding your reality-hammers…

#InvincibleRealityHammers

100%Yes

I’ve stated this since the she stood down that Sturgeon would return as leader of the SNP and FM again in 2026, this has been the SNP leadership game plan from day 1 of her resigning.

This is the reason Humza and then Swinney had to become leader it was to prevent anyone else from becoming leader and blocking the chances of Sturgeon returning when the dust had settled.

Everything that’s happened or happening is all at the behest of Sturgeon she in complete control and she has the full support of the UKG.

I hear people F*cking banging on and on about Westminster for F*ck sake Westminster isn’t the problem open you F*cking eyes its the SNP. We need a leader who has the voice of the WHOLE YES MOVEMENT to be able to challenge the SNP’s treasonous behavior.

In the coming Holyrood election we need to organize to prevent certain ("Tractor" - Ed)s in the SNP from being elected again, come up with a single plan in order to get the message out there about how these individuals have spent the last Ten Years stealing votes and ruining Scotland reputation in the world and that Independence will never happen with these Individuals in charge as these are the people preventing it and the reason why GREED.

Nae Need!

Very well said.

Dan

We need a leader who has the voice of the WHOLE YES MOVEMENT

I’m afraid you’ve more chance of finding rocking horse shit than that ever happening.

It’s clear that a significant number of human brains in this instant gratification binary world we now unfortunately inhabit have lost the ability of critical thought; So this means folk will inevitably find a reason and issue not to support someone, even if they are for the most part broadly aligned with said person.
Numerous examples of this are available within the movement for returning Scotland to self-governance.

Has a funny voice, doesn’t look attractive / is too good looking, dodgy haircut, swore once, told a joke you didn’t like. These are all now show stoppers to success in the current modern political world packed full of snowflakes who rush to take offense or deem everything hateful that doesn’t totally align with their exacting views.

That being the case if folk still can’t muster the self-belief and motivation to get aff their knees and do stuff themselves so still require a leader, it would be far better to have a group of folk leading that would cover a range of demographics and knowledge bases, and that would also diffuse the ability for an individual to be taken out the game if it were just one leader.

The things is, needing a plan for Holyrood was something that some of us were trying to do last time round but that came to fuck all and a million 2nd votes wasted for the reasons already given.
Now the folk that were telling us to shut up because we were wrong back then are telling us we need a plan for Holyrood…
Forgive me but I have little trust in folk that were so behind the curve on the way things were playing out but now want everyone to follow them.
There’s an awfy Pied Piper vibe about this sort of thing, and undoubtedly with the stakes in play there will be folk that are not what they appear to be.

Young Lochinvar

The ripple effect among the woke and depraved following the Democrats defenestration across the pond..

PacMan

There is a distinct possibility that Trump’s term in office could have a detrimental effect on the woke politics in our country.

If it does, it remains to be seen whether it will continue after he leaves office but would could have a more longer lasting effect is through the actions of the Progressive Democrats themselves.

While I have no doubt that the lecture by the woke Bishop at the recent televised church event attended by Trump went down well with some quarters but how will it be viewed by the majority where it was nothing but self-promotion on the part of the woke Bishop rather than a Sermon on the mound moment?

Whether it was planned or not, it does give credence to this notion of the deep state acting against Trump but there is an element of truth in it where we live in a society now gripped by post-modernism where it is expected for individuals to act against the established order.

There is nothing wrong with stand up for what is the right and there is a moral obligation to whistle blow against wrong doing but it has went beyond that where individuals employed by the government actively working to thwart political policies that goes against theirs.

The Trump administration is making efforts to get rid of these individuals through initiatives like removing the ability to work from home but if it isn’t enough and in the coming years, these Progressive individuals are seen to actively hinder Trumps policymaking, will it result in turning the majority against this Progressive politics?

It remains to be seen but I think we are in an era now where money is tight and everybody is feeling the pinch. It means people are more critical of things and the action of these self-absorbed individuals in positions of authority who acts against the wishes of the majority is going to be seen in a different light than it would be in better times.

Aidan

Who’s to say that 2.5% will be more than 100 members, the way things are going . .

Sandy Howden

Poor James “War and Peace” Kelly. Out of the frying pan into the fire and he is not even aware of it. His exit from Alba is longer than War and Peace and he has not finished yet.

Ian Brotherhood

King Swinney, as we presented him on OTS last year…

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Ian Brotherhood

Sorry, just discovered the image is no longer available.
Pity, it was a good one.
🙂

gregor

OBN Dev: Fraud Files: King of Fraud:

“And often the self-described, “Greatest Swiper of All Time”
Stolen Bank ID numbers were also apart of the alleged crimes
Investigators say that tracking cash on Social Media was not hard

We hit the road with them cards in the back
We come back with phones, so we cash out
Racks in our pocket, we walk in and spendin’ at Saks
I done been broke once
No, I ain’t YoungBoy
But, I know I never could ever go back
They say I couldn’t but I went and did that
And now I’m on top, and it’s makin’ ’em mad
I hear all the hate, I just sit there and laugh…”:

link to tinyurl.com

Holyrood: John Swinney: from bank manager to head boy:

“…there has also been a change in Swinney’s image. Those commentators who once compared him to a bank manager now refer to him as Nicola Sturgeon’s ‘head boy’…”:

link to holyrood.com

HEAD
Peter McAvoy

Last night (Wednesday) on pointless the first question was guests at the Kings coronation and it showed a board of pictures of 16 people did anybody else think Humza Yousaf would be pointless ?

gregor

BBC (2025): Government scraps plan for National Care Service:

“The Scottish government has scrapped its flagship plan to create a National Care Service.

The reform, which had already been scaled back and delayed, was axed by Social Care Minister Maree Todd in a statement to parliament.

The government still intends to pass the National Care Service Bill, though it will be stripped of the fundamental pillar of a National Care Service.
Instead, it includes smaller reforms that have cross-party support.

Opposition parties accused the Scottish government of wasting time and money on the scheme.”:

link to bbc.co.uk

link to archive.ph

we-dont-care
gregor

@1984:

BREAKING: Millions of Scots will soon hear a ‘loud siren’ from their mobile phones to alert of danger from Storm Eowyn, the Government has warned

link to x.com

GOVSCOT
twathater

As I commented on the previous post

Is this not another Angus Robertson’s version of democracy for the membership of snp, but don’t worry VOB they will suck it up like the wee brain dead clones that they are , just like the deliberate sabotaging of the executive which they let happen

Robin is obviously a nice guy which allows himself to be involved on the perimeter of the snp machinations , BUT as you already highlight Dan his cringing acceptance that Forbes is anything other than a self serving grandstanding tr@itor to Scotland and Scots defies his reputational credibility
If Robin is so blinded by the wee nice lassie act he is in the wrong profession and should be focusing on the evidence of her misdeeds which are plentiful

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robertkknight

If 100 constitute 0.15% of SNP members, by my reconning the total membership would be approx. 67,000.

Therefore the 2.5% threshold becomes, under the above figure, 1,675 members.

Again, if the 67,000 is accurate – which I very much doubt.

sarah

Rev tweeted today that the membership in June 2024 was 64,525, so you’re not far off, robertkknight.

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