Wings Over Scotland

Nice to see you again if only briefly.

With a new ‘independent’ Lord Advocate, is a new broom sweeping through the corridors of power?
If so, that could change everything…too late for many though.
Guid auld Scots’ corruption has a lot of blood on its hands.

Posted this on the previous page…

Police Scotland launch ‘fraud’ probe into SNP fundraising for Indyref2

POLICE Scotland have launched a formal investigation into potential criminality involving SNP fundraising.

The force, which has been assessing a fraud allegation from a member of the public since late March, said it had escalated its work after consulting with prosecutors.

The Herald

link to archive.is

Philm,
I suppose all politics is the same across Britain when I think of the blood on Westminster’s hands through the corrupt lying about the Iraq war.
It’s always the people that suffer, never the politician.

Returning donations is an admission of deception ?

Wings! Wings! Wings! Wings!

I still can’t say what I think their get out clause is going to be because I know that certain people read this site and I don’t want to be giving them their excuse if they haven’t thought of it themselves.

I hope my idea is wrong though and they’re hung out to dry and we see the back of Mrs. Murrell.

Thank you for the update Stu. I dinnae care what anyone says your input and integrity are sorely needed…maybe now more than ever.

Mist001 says:
13 July, 2021 at 12:28 pm

Says:
“I hope my idea is wrong though and they’re hung out to dry and we see the back of Mrs. Murrell.”

If Mr Murrell is charged, Mrs Murrell will divorce him pronto: “See yon wee bastid Pete,he tells me nuthin so he disnae”

Rev – many thanks again for all you have done for Scotland’s cause over these many years. I have read the Spotland twitter too and sympathise. You deserve a life lived as you would wish.

I do hope that you maintain links privately to the most energetic workers in the cause so that your hugely valuable abilities are made available, albeit not so publicly.

Cheers Stu.

Just heard “ the breaking news “ on Radio Scotland about the police investigation 15 mins ago and it’s now the top story on the 1.00 pm news .

Rev Stuart ,

Enjoy your “ retirement “ whether it’s temporary or permanent .

Good to see you back, however briefly. In these dark times, it’s helpful to hear from someone whom we know from experience is not lying to us, even though we might not have wanted to believe you at the time. Look after yourself.

Radio Scotland should try retirement for a time it might up their game.

Thank you again

Thanks Stu. You have always been on the right side of history.
I share your feelings as expressed on Twitter today.
Take care of yourself. You have been missed, but I understand your reasons.

“Wee Ginger Dug, Pete Wishart, Mhairi Hunter, Tom Arthur, Stewart McDonald, Tom Gordon and David Leask.”

Aye, whur’s yer ‘herd immunity’ noo?

Consigliori to the utterly corrupted SNP administration is the epitaph awaiting Wolfe.

New broom making the appearance of accountability possible?

Long fuse hand grenade lobbed over the shoulder on the way out the door?
Whatever.

The phrase ‘no criminality’ will be along in due course.

England (Bath) calling.

It’s quite likely that I contributed, but on a long-binned credit card, so I can’t quote date and sum. I’m sure I’m not the only such. I wonder if the investigators will go through the list and contact donors. They would soon have more than seven, I feel.

I hope all those who accused you of lying will now have the good grace to apologise. You never publish anything that’s untrue and their cultish belief in the SNP and Sturgeon has, yet again, been proven wrong. It’s a pity that Police Scotland didn’t read your analysis when you wrote it.

Hey Stu! Hope you’re keeping well.

To those rubbing their hands at the prospect of Police Scotland/COPFS having a keek at the SNP’s books, remember who we’re talking about here.

Police Scotland. Are they not the same people who pitch up and threaten to have folks kids put into care over allegedly transphobic Tweets?

COPFS. Are they not the same people who jail journalists and who writhe like an electrocuted octopus when asked to justify their actions?

The SNP. Are they not the party whose leader suffers from chronic amnesia and whose executive doesn’t even allow those tasked with balancing the books to get a proper swatch at those books?

Someone please tell the people of Santorini to stock up on whitewash – global supplies shortly being diverted to Scotland, yet again!

A very generous write up by Guido Fawkes today on the matter:

link to order-order.com

Considering Paul Staines has never exactly hidden his animosity towards Stu, very pleasing to see him giving credit where credit is due, a sadly dying trait in our times.

Well done on them also taking a side swipe at the pathetic Rangers fanzine aka The Herald (Scotland) so dependent on Scottish government and SNP run council advertising revenue for its very survival, “Guido has a feeling the move by Police Scotland would be headline news were it about Boris”.

When does your retirement end? We need you!

It’s a good thing that Murrell has at last come to the attention of the polis. Not soon enough! We did and do really appreciate all your hard work. This is an example of it. Thanks.

Hopefully this is a move to wipe out corruption within the COPFS by the new Lord Advocate, Dorothy Bain.

What would prove to me that she has integrity would be for the removal of David Harvie, the ex-MI5/6 Crown Agent.

A corrupt Crown Agent who has presided over much of the prosecution of the “free” press & bloggers as well as the malicious prosecutions of those involved with a glasgow football club.

She needs to clear her own shop out before we can be assured of the independence of the Crown Office. (The fact it is the “Crown” Office in the first instance is disgusting to me, as it should be to any true Scots’).

Doug. YouTube often manipulate the thumbs up or down on their sites content.

I believe Johnson and Gove would wish to close devolved government anyway according to MSM, and reinvent the treaty of the union.
Maybe NS will be promoted to the English government for her good works like Ruthie,
Johnson’s Global bitten and Scotland’s spat out.

Magpies have a reputation for theft, but £600k is going to be a bit of a stretch forPeter to sell as a defence.

Must be a divorce announcement in the offing now, just before the new Parliamentary term to give maximum benefit?

link to crime.scot

“Embezzlement

Embezzlement is the the dishonest appropriation of entrusted property.

Sometimes, it is tricky to distinguish between embezzlement and theft. The key difference is that, with embezzlement, the accused was originally trusted to deal with and account for the property/money in question. This can be as trustee, agent or factor”.

Nice to hear from you Stu. I hope you are well rested and truly taking time for yourself and less fraught interests than the constitutional position of Scotland. It does our heads in too!

We’d love to see you back, of course.

Defence will be I can’t remember I have a vivid memory worked before.

I saw this on the BBC earlier (I go there for the sport which, on the whole, it’s not bad at). However, I had to come here to be sure about the BBC’s story.

Missing you! But understand why you’ve ‘retired’. I too am sick of Scotland now. Always determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. There’s only so much corruption I can take.

link to bitchute.com

I suppose the police can hardly turn a blind eye to crime in plain view no matter how much they may want to, especially after you laid it all out for them Stuart. Hope you are enjoying your vacation. You fully deserve it after the shift you put in.

Anyway, I wrote the following in response to the discussion on the previous thread about the UK increasing its arsenal of nuclear weapons and having them stationed within a stone’s throw of Scotland’s most populous city. I find it interesting that they are referred to as a “nuclear deterrent”. They are certainly a deterrent from England’s point of view – they make Scotland the primary target!

I don’t think that appealing to the UN will do much good to be honest, either with regard to these illegal WMD being foisted upon us or in relation to constitutional issues, although that doesn’t mean to say we shouldn’t try. The UN have done nothing to prevent the ongoing ethnic cleansing and genocide taking place in Israel/Palestine, so there is nothing to suggest that they will protect the rights of the Scots any more than they have been able to protect and uphold the rights of the Palestinians.

There is also the additional complication that the UN have no real potency anymore as a global peacekeeping organisation, essentially allowing NATO to act as their paramilitary wing. The UK nuclear weapons system is only leased from the US – it is not independent of their control – and therefore it is really NATO led by the US which dictates that these WMD are stationed in Scotland due to its strategic location. It is significant that the SNP voted to join NATO as an independent nation because membership of NATO is incompatible with being a peaceful nation and removing these warheads from our shores.

Unfortunately, all around the world the human spirit is being crushed under the jackboot of authoritarianism to prevent any kind of organised resistance to the ruling order. The tentacles of neo-liberalism have spread to all corners of the globe and our right to live as individuals free from government interference and control are now non-existent. I think governments around the world are fully aware of the impending climate catastrophe, know that they are drowning in debt and on the point of bankruptcy having drained the public coffers dry, and yet their solution is to frantically print more money, slash public services, remain heavily dependent on oil, and continue to spend billions on armaments. A perfect storm is brewing and even if we do not perish in a nuclear holocaust it may already be too late to reverse global warming. No matter how ardently we pray, we cannot alter the laws of physics. There has to be a complete reorganisation of society overnight for us to have any realistic chance of survival, but that is looking less and less likely with each passing day. I think the ruling elite know full well the impasse they have led us to and, not possessing the means, ability or knowledge necessary to prevent it, are resigned to ushering it in.

Hasn’t it been the norm for snp members/politicians to resign when being investigated by the police.

Why no resignations this time?

I hope the guilty are found and prosecuted.

I hope some of the money can be recovered and put to the use it was intended for.

A proper investigation may show some people that they are backing the wrong party.

Thanks for this Stu, you’re such a tease -reminding us why you are so badly missed.
Interesting few days.
Yesterday we had the Heral/Ferret exposing the lack of transparency regarding lobbying. No records kept if all is done by phone.
Today this Police announcement having sat on the allegations for months and all reported in the Sturgeon fanzine ‘the National’. Is the £3 million bribe/bung to the press not being renewed?
Something is afoot and no mistake. Trying not to get too optimistic that Sturgeons days really are numbered.
We’ve all been here before.

So, at last, perhaps matters will come to a head. The whole thing stinks of fraud. FRAUD!

I actually contributed to the crowdfunder. At that time I was still under the delusion that when Nicola Sturgeon talked of holding a referendum and keeping Scotland in the EU, she was serious. But, alas, as we all now know, she is a liar. Mandate after mandate after mandate wasted. Still, she promises us ‘jam tomorrow’, like the good unionist that she is.

I must say, however, it is really good to see Rev Stu posting (albeit whilst in retirement). It is up to him if he wishes to get back into all of this, but I honestly think Scotland needs him. His voice is important. It was important in the last referendum. Whilst REV STU is not here, the SNP bedwetters are quite literally doing NOTHING for independence. Slowly they are turning the progress back. Worse than that, though, their are clowns making foolish arguments for birth origin voting rights (blood and soil nationalism), which completely undermines everything the independence movement has stood for.

These things are not accidental. It is part of a deliberate effort to undermine the independence movement. The SNP are quite happy to sit back, steal our money, whine about London, but do NOTHING.

Stuart Campbell has been proven right, over and over again. I have now gone from being in the SNP, to being in ALBA party. The biggest obstacle to independence right now is the SNP. A party full of political careerists, who are quite happy to keep taking their vast paychecks, whilst literally doing sweet f all. And, to make matters worse they have nothing but contempt for the independence movement which put them where they are. Charlatans the whole lot of them.

Scotland needs Stuart Campbell, and the independence movement needs him too. I totally understand why he is sick of it, I am too, and I am not subjected to the daily abuse onslaught he has suffered for the last ten years. I do hope he keeps going, but the decision is up to him. That is all I can say.

My post above seems to have lost a most important part!

The email address is: privacy@snp.org with the subject access request.

Robert Louis

I think the “blood and soil” part of the debate needs to be had since it will hash out all the issues and everybody can see what the pros and cons are. I’m sort of with the Rev. in that a restoration of our independence needs to come with 21st century thinking not 12th. It’s an issue best dealt with head on rather than trying to wheeesht in order not to scare the horses.

I thought the conversation was just here but you indicate it might be part of a broader move to taint the whole process. Is this just a twitter thing or is there a broader base to it?

Stu – great to hear from you. So glad you are lurking in the background – strangely reassuring!

I note already that the current, re-elected treasurer, Colin Beattie – a former MSP who returned to the post after Mr Chapman’s resignation – said the funds had been “earmarked” when they were donated, and that a matching amount would ultimately be spent on referendum campaigning.

Oh, no they weren’t!

They were ‘RINGFENCED’ and that is a completely different ball game, although she/her has stated that the party runs its independently-audited budget on a “cash flow” basis and is under no obligation to keep funds in separate accounts.

So what do they think ‘ringfenced’ means?

The Murells could share a cell,just needs one of them to pretend to change their gender.

Got a feeling a `night of the long dirks` is ahead,

with a clear out of the cultists,misogynists and cumfy Pete,

and then Independence in time for Christmas.

Stuart Mackay: “I think the “blood and soil” part of the debate needs to be had since it will hash out all the issues and everybody can see what the pros and cons are.”

Some of us have been embroiled in that debate for quite some time.

There are clear and obvious problems associated with putting an emphasis on where you were born, culture, heritage, language, etc. As I’ve said before on here, that’s the path of some of history’s worst scoundrels — if there’s a spectrum here, it’s a pretty unpleasant one with say Trump at one end and Oswald Mosley at the other.

In electoral terms it isn’t clear if changing the rules on eligibility would make any difference. I know some have argued that it would, but their reasoning is full of holes, assumptions, and impossible speculation, with no consideration given to the votes they’d lose and the divisiveness it might cause.

For example, where would this emphasis on Scottish culture and ancestry leave the half million or so voters with Irish ancestry? Answers on a postcard, right? And that’s just one demographic you’d potentially be leaving shafted and alienated — there are others.

At the root of all this is really bad science. Culture is an essentially useless classification system outside of beekeeping and petri dishes.

There’s virtually nothing that culturally binds a Scottish person from Glasgow with a Scottish person from say Ullapool. If you happen to find something, it’s probably going to make a useless and stupid banner for the cause of independence.

While I’m happy to see Wings express and share the same sort of position I take on this, I’d be happier still if people just worked crap like this out for themselves.

It isn’t rocket science, it’s snake oil. It’s the same snake oil that lubricated the wheels of Brexit — you’re special and glorious just because you happen to speak a certain language, were born here, happen to have white skin, etc. All things that are basically just cosmic accidents of birth.

Hey, hey Stu!

Great to hear from you Rev c

@Fishy Wullie 9.23pm

In WoS absence I’ve had some interactions on other blogs like Iain Lawson’s. For what it’s worth I’ve been arguing the toss with the the gamut of those arguing in favour of changing the franchise for a long while, from the sub Siol nan Gaidheal bunch at one extreme, to the “nativist curious” at the other.

Doubtless Alf Baird will be along presently to tell us we’re a colony and it’s all the fault of those furriners. It was bullshit before, it remains bullshit now. It obviously has resonance with a minority of the hard of thinking….but like I said and Stu has realised, you just can’t kill a bad idea.

Derogatory name calling isn’t exactly the same as arguing the toss Andy

This blog used to inform and entertain above and below the line.

The anti-vax nutters have polutted it for months, and even when there is something to discuss they are still posting their disinformation.

Had two jabs, proud of the work that has been done across the parmalogical and testing industries on developing and the medical service on delivering the vaccines and every adult who has got their jabs and played by the rules.

If you are gullible enough to believe this anti vax pish, you were probably gullible enough to trust SNP fundraisers.

A quick look at the comments on La La Land confirms the contributors on that site are so deep in denial as to how much they have been taken in and fooled that anyone questioning Princess Nicola and the shit surrounding her and her inner circle is labelled a unionist.

That lot are running out of people to insult and question their commitment to a Independent Scotland the same can’t be said about that lying fkr Sturgeon who surely must realise the games up and the buzzards are circling , once her boney fingers are prised from the Plague restrictions I hope people finally realise she’s a Imposter a total fraud.

The Cult like support of Sturgeon are having a collective panic attack , and who cares it was a donation , Nicolas in charge we trust her fully , she will lead us to the promised land are among the brainless comments they simply can’t bring themselves to believe the truth that’s staring them in the face ,

She’s not the Messiah she’s a very naughty ( insert gender here ) con Artist who is in a very strange Marital situation where both people who comprise the leadership of a political party don’t appear to discuss anything.

I really hope the Investigation covers the personal finances of everyone at the top of the SNP all the waffle and double talk can’t cover the fact the missing cash can’t be easily located and given that a story has to be manufactured in order to deflect honesty asked questions must cause even the stupidest of worshippers to have second thoughts about this leadership, IS IT FRAUD ? .

The unanswered question is why she would not sack Leslie Evans? I pretty sure I figured that one out but have enough respect
for Stu not to post it. Also hammers scare me LOL.

Then again you can pretty much say what you want about anyone now in Scotland as the precedent of fair comment has already been estblished as a reasonable defence so I may post it on my FB page just for the hell of it.

I have had enough of this lot riding the gravy train on our taxes.

Whatever you decide to do in the future Stu I wish you good health and happyness.

It’s very good to see Stu posting. I think a so called Police Scotland investigation is a bogey. They Police for the SNP and not Scotland. Expect nothing.

Andy Ellis says:

“It was bullshit before, it remains bullshit now. It obviously has resonance with a minority of the hard of thinking….but like I said and Stu has realised, you just can’t kill a bad idea.”

I am always suspicious of those who can make glib comments like the one above without discussion, argument or the presentation of evidence, let alone wishing its claims against any counter-evidence.

Professor Baird did not get to be a professor by following the Ellis dogmatic declaration without evidence method of discourse – indeed with Ellis there is no discourse. “I am right and you are wrong” That’s it!

Now he may not agree with Professor Baird, but if he is going to dismiss him, he must first read Baird’s very closely argued – and very persuasive book on the matter:

Doun-Hauden: The Socio-Political Determinants of Scottish Independence

link to amazon.co.uk

Profeeor Baird cites in proposing his argument numerous distinguished academic and political works on the subject of Colonialism and Imperialism and its effects on subject populations and nations – of the sort characterised by the Scottish Cringe.

Now, you might or might not agree with the arguments, and even if you agree with them, you might think that civic national generosity in giving the coloniser a say in your process of National Self Determination – some might think too generous.

But both positions are perfectly respectable political and intellectual stances.

What you cannot do, unless you are a total prick, is to glibly dismiss a carefully argued academic discourse as:

– we wuz robbed
– the furriners done it
– civic nationalism is all very well but…

and the domain of the hard of thinking.

Such a posture does not merely display evidence of being “hard of thinking” – rather it is one of no thinking whatsoever, whether through an inability to think, or being too lazy to do so.

Proper discourse requires effort and an ability at least to understand the case agains which you argue – though that last verb is far too generous a description of mindless, arrogant, demotic know-it-all assertion

Andy Ellis…yeah let’s sit back and let every second home owner and chancer like you fresh off the bus from Engerland/N.I. vote us into perpetual slavery until we are totally outnumbered. And while your at it, let all the white flighters continue to buy up all the rural houses and businesses with their over inflated property sales.

No other country has a franchise like a dissembler like you suggests. It aint about blood and soil and you well know it. But pretend otherwise with your strawman pish. Try getting your homeland to let incomers vote their sovereignty into oblivion. Oh that’s right Engerland doesn’t allow them in to vote, And there ain’t enough EU, Jocks, Taffies ( look how outnumbered they already are) and Paddies to ever matter there. England has outvoted us for 60 years. It has stolen the 1979 and 2014 Referendums despite Scots voting majorities for first Devo , then Indy.

The ‘new Scots’ from RUK are a myth. They are settlers. 72% of them voted against us. They could have abstained ,they didn’t because they despise the very idea of Scottish Independence. It is no different from what happened in Ulster with the plantation.

It’s NOT RACE,it’s IDENTITY. And trying to miscall the Scottish for being brainwashed and lied to and misled is a fucking insult. Particularly when we voted by a majority for Indy and have had electoral seat majorities, mandates and a total majority of Indy popular votes in 2015. The Rev did a Panelbase poll which showed 4 MILLION RUK would move here if they could. How would Scotland look and be if even a quarter of the actually did? Demographic studies confirm that number are already here.

You know all this but of course you are a troll, plain and simple. St,Andrews Uni(ONIST) plant. If the Scots are so fucking woke that they bottle making the franchise residential with at least 10 years qualification and no second home or away student entitlement then we are setting ourselves up for another self inflicted death wish.

It is hugely significant that the Police are now formally investigating the “missing” £667k funds at SNP HQ, previously raised and RING-FENCED for an Independence Referendum. Reason: pressure of complaints or a new Lord Advocate?

When the relevant Finance and Audit Committee and a National Treasurer such as a decent man like Douglas Chapman CANNOT establish the current salary package (and history) of the Chief Executive, then surely THAT is a sign that something financial may be amiss!

This investigation has finally reached the new reports of BBC, both London and its Glasgow-based subsidiary. Wow!

I just hope that the accusations will be fully investigated but, based on recent legal actions, I am not holding my breath!

Slainte

WGW

There is only ONE race and that’s the Human Race and rifmght now we All have a common interest in opposing the dictates handed down to us by the criminal pharmaceutical industry through the agency of puppets like Sturgeon and Johnson.

‘Treasurer Colin Beattie – a former MSP who returned to the post after Mr Chapman’s resignation – said the funds had been “earmarked” when they were donated, and that a matching amount would ultimately be spent on referendum campaigning.’

This is a variation on the shoplifter offering to pay for the stolen goods after they have been caught. How insulting.

Lochside, you may believe all the drivel you spout on here, but the owner of this blog hates it and has called it out repeatedly for the utter pish it is.

I hate the antivaxxers and blood-and-soilers who defile this space. I think it is a great shame Stu can’t be bothered banning you.

You are part of the reason this blog is dead and may well never return. You are an enemy of indy, not an asset.

So why don’t you just fuck off and peddle your mince elsewhere, you total wankpiece.

In other news, great to see you on the job again Stu, even if it is a rare one-off.

“blood and soil”? = wanting to use the UN rules for referendum voting?

– and let’s talk to our Soft NO voter, the kind of person we must make our case to, to win the debate …

Hey jocks – just moved in 5 minutes ago because I got a great deal on a house. BTW I disdain all you filthy porridge wogs and will be voting against you, your pretend country and your play acting political aspirations any time I get. You should be thanking me as the trickle down economy is keeping all you drunks in heroine, buckfast and irn bru. If you try to stop me voting, you are all filthy “racists” (- don’t mention the fact I moved north to escape my hometown which had become a bit “ethnic” for my taste). Gotta go, Landward are doing a bit on me, my fragrant wife and our artisanal cheese.

AYE. ye think so!

I see we are still wrestling with the uncomfortable realities of race and culture.

We can have different races, with broadly different aspects and trends, without disrespect and inhumanity.

As with the trans debate – if a skeleton is found in a landfill and the pathologist said ‘its a human female’ they would be considered useless. There would be racial/ethnic characteristics looked for and identified. Those are identifiable because there is actual differences in the races and that includes the psychological and intellectual as well as the physical. This manifests in differing cultures and social outlooks.

To deny this is to deny reality. But again – it doesnt have to mean anything negative.

The problem comes when society destroying, financier el-ites simultaneously reduce sovereign middle Eastern and African countries to utter hell holes, do everything they can to drop European countries borders and then use a group of NGO’s (a number of them Israeli) to facilite the move towards Europe. All while writing laws against criticism, structuring society to be actively anti-European while simultaneously pro everything else.

I have a direct family member (person of colour) who currently works in Canada setting migrants up with jobs and homes over the Canadians. I have a family acquaintance (another person of colour) who has told us that the big company she is a recruiter for has put white British at the bottom of the list for hiring.

This is not natural human movement and demographic change. This is an artificial construct that will lead to social hardship for the people born here, animosity towards the state/corporations and ultimately towards the newcomers.

It is utterly toxic and its meant to be.

This does not even touch on the cultural differences born of religious and social outlooks. I find it amazing that people can be so aware of the dangers of Christianity while being totally wilfully ignorant of the up-front supremacist, fascistic, pedophilic, sexist and violent teachings of the other Abrahamic religions.

I had a conversation with a Spaniard who apologetically told me ‘I dont dislike British people. There is nothing wrong with them really. But there are too many now. They come to Spain and treat it like Britain. They dont learn our language. They create their own separate enclaves in our towns and countryside.’

I couldn’t disagree with him. But what is true for the British is true for others. People stick to their own. They are in a country for the sun, or the better economy or the lack of warfare and as a group they will stick together. When there is enough of them they will vote for the politicians that promise to advance their group interests which usually is at odds with nationalistic sympathies.

This is reality. Its the real world.

For the real halo polishers the profound problem is realising that those people, the actual Nationalists, despite everything they were called, despite the stigma and ostracism, despite the media hit pieces, despite the tattooed Neo Nazi scum types getting all the publicity to help destroy their arguments, despite the massive campaigns to censor them, the efforts to take away their ability to use banking services, the assaults and intimidation by Antifa, despite it all – are actually making some sense.

Once you realise that you have a nation, a people and that these people have an identity born of something more fundamental than mere preferences and that putting the health and well being of your nation, your people, your young folk as top priority is not the same as putting others last (supremacy) then the illusion starts to dissipate.

The people who would enslave us are working hard to eliminate the natural bonds people have between each other, our connections to our history and heritage, our sense of community and belonging, our family cohesion and our connection to the country of our ancestors and the rights that come with that. In short they have recognized that social capital is the barrier to ultimate control in financial capital.

If the peoples of the world accept this move to eliminate natural connections of gender, families, nation and homeland and allow them to be mere designations on government documents then we can have absolutely everything taken from us – it becomes just a matter of policy implementation and legal maneuvering.

It is no surprise that the ones who are opening our borders and giving us no say in the matter while denying that Europeans are actually distinct peoples with a right to self determination are the ones trying to erase women as a sex.

Yes, thanks for that update, Joe.

We’ll call you.

ME 2.49am I meant to add your children and grandchildren won’t when they can’t afford a house because the retirees have upped the prices and have to leave Scotland for work, but don’t worry at least you weren’t a blood and soil nationalist

*simpering*

Name calling is the preferred weapon for those who cannot justify their ideology or articulate their argument, the trans mob are a perfect example as soon as you try to discuss the issue they’ll just shut down the debate and call you names like transphobe, terf etc and in some extreme cases have you arrested on some ridiculous trumped up charges

Andy Ellis is another example so far he’s branded those those who want to change the franchise or at least discuss the matter as hard of thinking natavist blood & soil nationalists without putting forward one reasoned argument for what he believes.

The term “Blood & Soil” has unfortunate connections with Nazi Germany but if I was being completely honest with myself I’m a Blood & Soil nationalist I’m a born & bred Scot, Scotland is in my blood, there’s nothing I can do to change that, I don’t believe that makes me a racist (although I’m sure there are a few on here who will disagree) and if it does then so be it,

I don’t hate other people who feel the same way about their national identity or culture, I don’t see why we can’t all respect the cultural identity of people from other nations and just get along, but I don’t think those people who come to our country for whatever reason and vote against our aspirations to be a free nation among other free nations respect our cultural identity very much

Hatuey – 13 July, 2021 at 9:14 pm

As already demonstrated with the vaccine arguments, your reality is not well aligned with mine.

Another poster was asking for clarity on what is going on in South Africa right now. The answer is simple. Tribal divisions, amplified by political processes and economic disruption, have boiled over into violence. Civil war may or may not follow. Who wants to make a prediction?

In your reality, this can’t happen, as the tribal differences are negligible. Maybe you should adopt a new reality.

To be honest, I’d prefer that this fraud investigation, or to coin a pointed neologism, ‘unvestigation’ be carried out by the British Transport Police, rather than the bilingual (or anilingual) Poileas Alba, the SNP’s tame gendarmerie.

At least the BTP, who la Caudilla tried very hard to steal, will carry out a disinterested enquiry.

twathater says:
14 July, 2021 at 2:53 am
ME 2.49am I meant to add your children and grandchildren won’t when they can’t afford a house because the retirees have upped the prices and have to leave Scotland for work, but don’t worry at least you weren’t a blood and soil nationalist

I’m struggling a bit with this one. There is no need to bedevil this franchise by labelling it as “blood and soil” Nationalism.

If anybody cares to check, it was Scotland’s voting franchise in 2014 which was a marked departure from established normal practice in who was allowed to vote.

It would be entirely normal to adopt a more standard voting franchise, recognised and indeed described by the UN, without going anywhere near this concept of “blood and soil” nationalism.

If the Scots want to be an all-inclusive accommodating Nation for immigrants, then the Scots need to take command of their Nation to make it so. You cannot make that decision until you have made sure your decision is final. Right now, there is a foreign power usurping that right and enforcing it’s colonial will over Scotland. THEY are the ones misappropriating Scotland’s constitutional right to determine it’s own future. It is NOT blood and soil nationalism to take that right away from them.

Restrict the vote to Scottish people who would become Scottish citizens after Independence. This doesn’t exclude English or European settlers, it merely puts a prerequisite of earning the right of citizenship before they can vote…. as would be the norm in any other country, even the UK.

Sovereignty is the power to make decisions, and by definition, take those decisions out the hands of others. That isn’t blood and soil Nationalism. It is neither bigotry nor prejudice, nor an implementation of hatred or exceptionalism. It is a decision made on the future of Scotland actually being made by Scots.

Please DO NOT go down the rabbit hole of blood and soil Nationalism. Apart from anything else, it betrays a lack of understanding what blood and soil nationalism actually means. It is a loaded description of the type of activities which the Nazi’s preached.

The swastika was a traditional symbol of luck and prosperity before it was indelibly stained by nazism. The national and socialist components of the actual word “Nazi”, when combined in a particular context are synonymous with Hitlers nazism, and no longer describe the principles of nationalism or socialism.

It seems the words “blood” and “soil” are suffering from the same overtones and misappropriation.

Just wait,… Sturgeon will even describe this franchise as cheating or unlawful. She will. Please don’t put the words in her mouth because the dumb acolytes will believe it’s so, and Scotland will then be shorn of yet another raft of legitimate Constitutional rights and entitlements.

Scotland has broken the mould and defined Scottish nationalism as a constructive, civic nationalism. Scotland can do the same with a “blood and soil” voting franchise for Scottish Independence. Make it our own, and make it a benign and an un-loaded expression in Scotland. Our people are NOT blood and soil nazis, and we know this. Please, let us not tie one hand behind our back.

We are after all, trying to make Scotland an Independent Nation, not a hippie commune.

Thanks to everyone who commented on the “B&S debate”, though there seems to be more heat than light being generated.

I think it’s reasonably obvious that if the franchise had been tighter in 2014 then we’d be free. But we’d be living in Belarus II for sure given the shower of cretins in government right now.

In the upcoming referendum if you can’t present a compelling case for Scotland going it’s own way given the likes of Johnson, Hancock, Frost, Patel as the alternative you don’t deserve it. It’s as open a goal as it’s going to get.

Also that franchise might just be the passport to success if you could sell the idea that people can get back into Europe – that seems like an overwhelming advantage that dwarfs every other consideration. Sadly the shower of cretins in government right now are not only not on the field they aren’t even out of bed.

While I think a lot of the voter franchise issues are correct, they probably don’t matter as they are easily countered with a bit of vision and enthusiasm – exactly the ingredients needed to make a flying start in a newly (re)independent country.

Take for example the good folks of Caithness. We’re not Scots, we don’t speak Gaelic. Edinburgh is as far away as London. We’ve seen the cack-handed government that the cretins in Inverness deliver and we’re not much interested. These are the people you need to persuade, along with our neighbours in Orkney and Shetland. Carry them with a compelling vision for independence and you’ll carry everybody else too. No blood or soil required.

It’s important not to forget the terms on which you gain independence set the agenda for generations to come.

@twathater 2.49am

So much rage, so little reason. Perhaps little more can be expected from someone positing at 2.29 am, huh?

Raging against the machine won’t gain us independence. If we can’t convince “incomers” of the case for independence, we don’t deserve to be independent. It’s immaterial that 72% of them voted No because “native Scots” could still easily outvote them if they had the political bollocks to do so.

Look at the list of referendum results here, Table 2, pages 42-43

link to catedraferratermora.cat

Virtually all of them voted in favour of independence by >90%. It’s not incomers you should be concerned about, it’s convincing the natives and wondering why if the case we’re making for independence can’t convince so many your fellow Scots, why would it seem a great idea to recent arrivals?

You’re not going to increase the chances of independence by alienating large sections of the Yes movement who approve of civic nationalism and would be horrified at changing the franchise.

It’s far easier to hide behind the tawdry, intellectually bankrupt line that it isn’t our fault or responsibility: we were robbed, colonised, “swamped” by settlers, the vote was rigged. It’s the political equivalent of “a big boy done it and ran away”.

Who can vote in any election or referendum in Scotland has to change. I have relatives in Canada, born in Scotland but have not lived here for decades, yet they voted in the 2014 ref.

@Lochside 10.38 pm

Other countries HAVE had similar franchises and gained independence though. Asserting it isn’t the case just makes you look intellectually dishonest or ill-informed. Neither is a particularly good look.

The only sensible and defensible franchise in our situation is residence based, not ethnically based. Many other new states have achieved independence without our advantages: we’re not being denied the prize by incomers, but by lack of bottle on the part of the majority natives.

Using what passes for your argument, we’d still lose if you did gerrymander the franchise because you’d lose as many current civic nationalists votes as you’d gain amongst the nutter fringe.

Good luck persuading Alba and the SNP to adopt your regressive scheme.

Doubtless you’ll be able to point to all those influential folks supporting your plans?

What’s that…? You’ve got Alf “Colony” Baird?

Uh huh….

@Confused 12.04: “Gotta go, Landward are doing a bit on me, my fragrant wife and our artisanal cheese.”

That line gave me a much needed laugh but it does sum up that particular situation pretty well.

‘ScotsRenewables says:
13 July, 2021 at 11:29 pm
Lochside, you may believe all the drivel you spout on here, but the owner of this blog hates it and has called it out repeatedly for the utter pish it is.

I hate the antivaxxers and blood-and-soilers who defile this space. I think it is a great shame Stu can’t be bothered banning you.

You are part of the reason this blog is dead and may well never return. You are an enemy of indy, not an asset.

So why don’t you just fuck off and peddle your mince elsewhere, you total wankpiece.’/////////////////////////////////////////////

Thanks for your insane and deluded comments whoever and whatever you are. You are another self appointed guardian of a moribund site. I have commented on this site for nearly a decade. The Rev has never criticised my comments apart from once, in regard to a comparison of murders committed by the Old Firm in a discussion on bigotry.

Therefore, what he ‘hates’ about my comments I am not clear. But neither are you, by the sound of it. You conflate me with ‘blood and soilers and anti vaxers’, I am neither. You obviously have something personal going on which is worrying you. I sympathise. You appear to have no logical understanding of basic arguments for the franchise. Nowhere have I ever argued for ‘Scots only vote’anything.

I don’t know whether to be flattered, insulted but I suggest you consult your G.P. for a mental health assessment for accusing me personally of being responsible for this great site’s demise. Delusional and insulting you may be, but I pity you.

@Lochside 9.46 am

As usual you’re coming up empty. Short on evidence, long on assertion. You personally may not be advocating such a restriction on franchise, but many of those arguing for it do.

I’m neither trolling nor am I conflating or misconstruing any arguments. I just set out above an example: lots of the nativists insist we are unique in “allowing” a broadly based franchise for independence or constitutional votes, but this simply isn’t the case. I even helpfully linked to a scholarly article discussing the matter which point out that there are indeed examples of widely based residence franchises for such votes.

You have nothing of value to add, just lots of invective and the usual rejoinder of the hard of thinking that I can’t be a “real” supporter because I don’t agree with your minority woo-woo view. Strange then that I’m the one posting under my own name, the one who posted pictures of my SNP members card cut in two when I resigned from the party in protest at their treatment of Grouse Beater, and the one who is a founder member of Alba?

Alf Baird may have many accomplishments, but convincing more than a small minority of the movement of the validity of his “Scotland as colony” narrative isn’t one of them.

It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that changing the franchise will magically make independence more rather than less likely, but then as comments like yours demonstrate only too well there is plenty of stupid to go around.

This place is busier than any other independence-supporting site. The discussion seems pretty brisk.

No single subject exists in a vacuum – plenty of folk are capable of tying their shoelaces and chewing gum simultaneously. The monomaniacs who get upset because their favoured topic isn’t the sole focus of discussion ought to celebrate that rather than resort to foot-stamping and name-calling.

They know who they are so, happily, there is no need for me to finger anyone.

Have a braw day!

😉

@Breeks

Firstly the word ‘Nazi’ isn’t an amalgamation of National and Socialist. It is a pejorative, something akin to a more rude version of ‘country bumpkin’ or ‘fool’. The national socialists didn’t call themselves Nazis.

This of course shows up the people in the modern day who call themselves Nazis as being doubly foolish and uninformed. Which explains why they can also act like the kind of degenerates that actual national socialists despised.

There is nothing short of brainwashed ignorance around from all sides in fact.

I am not a fan of racial exceptionalism and I am certainly not a fan of racial hatred, nor am I a fan of militant centralization of power in the hands of 1 or just several people, nor am I into banning speech that goes against my ethos. So lets get the idea that what I advocate for us as Scots is nearly akin to what we call Nazis nor could it ever be.

I have a great deal of respect for your excellent contributions to the conversation, which are often worthy of their own blog.

However you, like myself at one point, have a view on that era of history that conforms completely with one side – the winners. I.e the bankers, free masons and international communists and capitalists (neo liberals)

My view on it started to change one sunny day on a hill in Eastern Europe. I was sitting with my now wife next to a giant monument. I asked her what it was and she said ‘Its a monument to the German soldiers who died here’. I made the neutral (and accurate observation) that the young guys who fight for a cause very often don’t know how they are being used.

Then she told me something that I had to stay silent on. She said ‘there are nursery songs the children here still sing about how Hitler tried to save us from communism.’

My incredulity increased when I got to hear of the stories the people had to tell. For example 1 guy who sold eggs said that the Germans would come and take what they need but always leave something in return, they were respectful. When the communists came they took everything and beat him. This theme is common.

So I started to look beyond my own British state brainwashing. I found that a lot of people who were actually there found order and peace under the Germans but brutal savagery under the communists. Ingrid Rimland wrote a book about how she, her sister and mother were standing on the train station with many others waiting to be herded on the cattle cars to Siberian gulags. The Germans arrived on time and stopped the trains. They reopened the Churches as they advanced and gave back some freedom to people who had been under absolute tyranny. When they were in retreat they made sure to protect and look after the hundreds of thousands of refugees who were fleeing the Red Army (who were under no geneva convention or other international law). This is why many refugees died when the allies turned Germany to dust. More bombs were dropped on Hamburg in one night than the Germans had dropped on Britain throughout the war (bombing that Britain was doing on German cities months before the Germans retaliated by doing the same which is fact).

The Rape of Germany then followed with orders coming from the very top that every female between the age of 8 and 88 were to be raped or shot if she resisted. This resulted in an estimated 2 million rapes and who knows how many murders. General Patton himself spoke of how he was deliberately delayed in taking Berlin and could have protected the people. His words ‘We fought the wrong people’. The Soviets took care to bring in the most brutal units to do the job.

More than 1.5 German POW’s who had lawfully surrendered were marched to the banks of the Rhine, a fence put up around them and then left to perish.

Ultimately more than 15 million Germans died. Then as soon as the war was over the rewriting of history began and the absolute might of the media, publishing houses and education were brought to bear not just on the Germans but on all of us.

But, surely they brought this on themselves? How can any people who invade other countries and put to death millions of people in death camps expect anything else? I mean we have all seen Schindlers list, heard the survivors and seen the stories.

Well firstly Schindlers list won a prize in the fiction category.

As for the rest:

There are more than 10 references to the brutalisation and murder of ‘6 million jews’ in Western newspapers between 1915 and about 1938. They can all be found archived.

The prophesy is that ‘we leave 6 million behind’ before returning to the promised land.

6 million jews dying is the founding myth of the state of Israel. Nothing more.

So what happened? I will not go into the build up in tensions and social strife before, but I will say that Bolshevism was founded by, financed by and attempted within many countries in Eastern Europe and Russia leading to many millions of horrific deaths. The main originators of this crime were Jewish supremacists. The same was attempted in Germany. An honest look at German policies and even statements show that the ‘Nazis’ were fighting against world bolshevism and not jews themselves, which explains the apparent (western lies) hypocrisy in National Socialists having Jewish doctors, mistresses and even units of Jewish soldiers including 2 senior officers.

By 1941 communist partisans were using Jewish ghettos for storing supplies and weapons for all out attacks on the Germans. who were already under hard pressure. The answer was to move them to camps in the same way the Americans moved Japanese Americans. Because of a European Typhus epidemic the need to shave the heads and delouse the clothes of all inmates was necessary.

Ultimately the Red Cross report that was classified in 1946 (and declassified in 1996) says that the people there were compelled to work in and around the camps. There were hospitals, maternity wards, theatres and other recreational facilities.
In the end there were around 271,000 casualties in all camps due to starvation and Typhus with no evidence being found of recent murders, including gas chambers. Starvation was a theme in Germany at the time

The 7 ‘death camps’ were all the ones discovered by the Soviets. The Soviet archives opened after the fall of the USSR in 1989 and found that they made great efforts to make it seem this way, just like the Katyn massacre (look it up).

The best thing about European countries taking ‘deniers’ to court and jailing them (such as Ursula Haverbeck who has been jailed twice in old age for disputing the numbers involved) is it gives a chance for evidence to be brought out. Such as Anne Franks diary being largely a post war fabrication.

So why would there be a need for this. Because the National Socialists, for all their flaws, ended the grip of international banking on the Germans and declared that they would free all nations of the same, they kicked out the masons and closed the lodges, they stood for the rights of Europeans to not be subverted by financiers and fake democrats and advocated it for all people.

The demonisation is there so we don’t take an honest look at what was being suggested and think ‘you know, we could do some of the better ideas in this’.

I am not a supporter of totalitarianism but I am up for taking an honest look at both sides of a story. The people we need to fear now are not the ones recognising the ‘blood and soil’ aspect of real nationalism, its the ones trying to take our nations away from us.

The Germans have been brow beaten and told that they have some kind of murderous cultural or racial quality based on the lies of WWII

So that’s the ‘Nazis’ very quickly dealt with. If we are going to make comparisons then we best start to take an honest look at what we are comparing against

Re my above comment the focus of the comment is Murdo Fraser.

London Calling. Excuse my idiot computer.

Andy Ellis. Why are you so focused on ” blood and soil” nationalism? Are you having a wee purge? Are you trying to create the impression that it’s aan issue? Are you trying to distract from the publics attention that rather blatant Fascist take over of our politics?

Joe. You certainly know how to queer a pitch. Fuck.