Absolute “souster” there Chris…look forward to my weekly toon and you never disappoint.
Effigy
3 years ago
Covid on the rocks?
Let’s be clear, the U.K. having the highest death tally in Europe
is nothing to do with Bojo’s government.
The greatest economic crash in Europe has nothing to do
with Bojo’s government.
The Tsunami of corrupt contracts and bogus job placements are nothing
to do with Boris.
The disastrous Brexit agreement has nothing to do with Boris.
It all down to the voters who can’t see beyond their own eyelids.
Bojo is letting you drive on the road with no winners and no end.
What joy for him as he has fewer pensions to pay, fewer on benefits,
unemployment rising along with the fear of demanding workers rights or wage rises.
More nurses and doctors leaving the NHS through stress so more private Tory owned
medical companies will need to step in and bang it’s all theirs.
Dave Somerville
3 years ago
Chris,
Your sketches are the only change at the top of the page that Wingers get these days.
So your subject matter is noticed even more than ever.
I don’t get involved in the Covid debate, but I know it is as real hot potato on Wings these days, so it’s tin helmets on and prepare for a right ding dong battle between the so called “Vaccers” and the “Anti-Vaccers”.
Tom Kane
3 years ago
Effigy…
and then another dimension of the surreal… Queen Nicola, the high courtiers, princes and princesses of the SNP, the media batallions and the cautious Indie movement all adamant that we need to wait til Britain magically resolves all the Tory catastrophes before Scotland can have a referendum on whether we should make our own way in the world.
`July 19th` is either going to be a Charge of the Light Brigade moment or a Charge of the Scots Greys moment,
either total carnage,disaster and loss of lives or the major pivot point in overcoming covid and back to normality.
Olly
3 years ago
Effigy…..
On deaths per million population UK has 15th worse in Europe and 20th worst in the world. Of course there is a bigger absolute number given larger population but Belgium, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia to name but a few have a greater death toll.
And Scotland fares far worse than many similar sized countries sharing a land order including Denmark, Finland, Sweden (with no lockdown and just guidance to wear masks) or Norway.
Stuart MacKay
3 years ago
Effigy
So how long before the Scottish Government realises and then acknowledges that we’re on the road to Perdition.
The longer they wait the bigger the jump needed to get off before it’s too late. However like so many frogs in a pot they’re too dumb to see the country is, not so slowly, being cooked.
As for covid? Well everybody seems content to have it down-graded to flu+. That’s not an unreasonable situation given the vaccines. However, I think we’re due at least a revision in the technology if we’re to continue with this as the new normal.
It’s a pretty shitty situation for those who the vaccines are not going to make a difference and we still don’t know the long term effects. What happens once you’ve contracted it half a dozen times? Is the damage cumulative?
Maybe, in ten years time, we’ll look back and curse the day Sturgeon took her first breath.
Tom Kane
3 years ago
For anyone who wants to ponder the maps of badly UK/Scotland is handling Covid-19 and how the wave is taking off after we did so well…
July is the killer month… And it’s about to get much worse
Respect to all colleagues in the NHS who did us such steadfast and humane service so far. Close to home, Lothian… Thank you.You have been incredible … If only government could have supported you more. Closed borders at the time of seeing the delta variant would have been a big help.
Captain Yossarian
3 years ago
What this cartoon tells me is that Stuart Campbell may be finding a new life for himself away from these pages. These SNP 1 and 2 folk have set us all on a road to managed decline within a swamp of vested interests over the next 5-years. If only more had listened to him at the time.
Breastplate
3 years ago
Tom Kane @ 8:51am,
Unfortunately, you are correct.
There are more reasons to support Alba, this is only one of them.
Breastplate
3 years ago
Tom Kane @ 10:05am,
New Zealand closed its borders,
I’m not saying it was right or wrong, however we need to understand that there are consequences for every action.
It amazes me that people believe that interfering with one side of an equation won’t impact on the other.
Newton’s 3rd Law is always in play.
Shocked
3 years ago
@effigy
When your first sentence is a lie how the hell do you expect to convince anyone?
People like you who cannot even be bothered to get your facts right are after the corrupt liars in the New SNP and the moon howlers the biggest problem the Indy movement has.
James Che.
3 years ago
Saffron robe,
Breeks.
J,o,e.
I wrote the last piece on previous blog with you comments in mind before I realised the new cartoon was here.
Hatuey
3 years ago
Love the Hokusai-styled wave.
As I said earlier in the week, twice as it happens (being a community spirited type), COVID-19 is now out of control and everyone in the UK is basically going to catch it.
It’s strange that in Scotland (all of a sudden) we are now ahead of England on this, they’re watching us to see how it pans out, where just a few weeks ago we were behind England. The whole world is watching Scotland.
As for the debate, what debate? Covid is real and deadly. Anyone that denies that is certifiable. The vaccine is real too and it offers some protection; we are about to find out how much — at least some of us are, others will simply perish.
We’ve been badly let down by Nicola and Boris. That’s the truth of it. Everything they have done in the last 18 months ranged between utterly incompetent and callous disregard.
If it wasn’t for the idiotic science deniers (stoked by big business through the tabloid media), the death and disruption could have been kept to a minimum, as it was in Australia and elsewhere. We could have created more pressure.
Thanks Boris. Thanks Nicola. Thanks crackpots. Your grandchildren will be proud.
Ruby
3 years ago
Captain Yossarian says:
10 July, 2021 at 10:24 am
What this cartoon tells me is that Stuart Campbell may be finding a new life for himself away from these pages.
Reply
He did tell us that a good few weeks ago!
He’s not alone in finding a new life away from these pages.
There are only the same handful of people posting here now!
The question is why have people stopped posting?
The posts on the end of the last thread are very unpleasant that could be one reason why people are going elsewhere.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Nice one Chris.
Meanwhile Mike Russell prattles on about the small percentage of folk, some non-resident, in Scotland that own the majority of Scotland’s land.
Russell however conveniently forgets to mention that his party voted with the Tories against Andy Wightman’s amendments to how land is valued in Scotland.
Russell adds that 67% of of the lands of Scotland are owned by just 0.025 of the population, and that the Scottish theatre company 7:48, which produced great productions such as The Cheviot, The Stag and the Black Black Oil, took its name from the figures at the time that 7% of Scotland’s population owned 84% of Scotland’s lands.
The SNP government has done almost nothing on land reform in Scotland, and Russell knows it.
Brian Doonthetoon
3 years ago
An interesting analysis in The New Statesman –
“The return of the Celts
Why a reawakening of national identities could spell the end of the United Kingdom.”
Here’s a short quote from it:-
“By all reasonable criteria, Scotland should be as rich as Denmark. Instead, like Wales, it is among the poorest regions of Europe. Recovering from decades of institutional dependency on the British Treasury – the glue of England’s empire – will take a long time.
Hatuey says:
10 July, 2021 at 10:52 am
Love the Hokusai-styled wave.
Reply
Clever the way he’s incorporated ‘third wave’ into the drawing of the wave.
What a lot of work goes into Chris’s cartoons!
The wave emoji inspired by Hokusai is one of my favourites.
Hatuey
3 years ago
Breastplate: “It amazes me that people believe that interfering with one side of an equation won’t impact on the other.”
Can you provide a link to examples of such people?
Ruby
3 years ago
Brian Doonthetoon says:
10 July, 2021 at 11:06 am
An interesting analysis in The New Statesman –
“The return of the Celts
Reply
Thanks for that Brian.
Looks very interesting. I’m off to read it now.
James Che.
3 years ago
My slant on Covid is not an issue to worry about in Scotland as most people are naturally cautious for there own health and welfare. Most have had a vaccine in stage one or two,
My worry is that NS is using Covid as a tool to rule and to apportion the power of the Scottish people sovereignty that is wrote in the Scotland act and the treaty of the union to the Snp and devolved government sovereignty. Going unnoticed
In Scotland the rules for,
Covid should only be advisory,
Not enforced by police, fines and court cases.
The Scottish government does not hold sovereignty over the Scottish people,
The Scottish people are sovereign in the Scotland act, the declaration of Arbroath the treaty of the union.
New rules for health are by request of the Scottish government and not legal in Scotland by policing.
Hatuey
3 years ago
Ruby, the BBC series ‘A history of the world in 100 objects’ did a really good episode on that painting. I couldn’t believe how much there was to it…
Folk are drifting away from this site because nothing but a weekly cartoon (however well drawn) is ever going to sustain any site. This isn’t a criticism of the Rev Stu, who not only did his shift but an amazing amount of over-time. I suspect – and certainly hope – he will return to the Scottish blogosphere after much-needed R&R.
Meanwhile, being new on the job, I possess a (perhaps naive) belief that it’s vital to draw to the attention of even a tiny fraction of the Scottish population an official report which (masked by deliberately impenetrable language) nonetheless reveals why Holyrood became an Orwellian nightmare and how Big Sister stays in power: link to jaggy.blog
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
So the English supermarket chain Morrisons, is shipping in products from England to sell at their stores at a cheaper price than Scottish produce.
The supermarket chain is charging higher prices for Scottish produce, that its currently reducing in range, English based food products are flooding the shelves at a cheaper price, even local milk suppliers in Scotland are being replaced by milk suppliers South of the border.
Union Jackery is in full flow in Scotland my local Sainsbury’s removed the Saltire that once adorned the Sainsbury’s board as you entered the store. Scotland food producers are slowly having their products reduced or overpriced in supermarkets in Scotland with the intentions of seeing food produce South of the border replacing them, add in Brexit and the likes of the rotten Aussie trade deal and I can see Scottish produce taking a nosedive, or become so expensive that it will be priced out of the Scottish food market, to all but those who can afford it.
Morrisons was taken over by a US group this week, for £6.3 billion pounds.
James Che.
3 years ago
Ruby.
I do not see anything offensive in my last post on previous thread.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
As Sturgeon has appointed Sir Nicolas MacPherson to a committee on how to grow the Scottish economy, MacPherson who was the head of the UK Civil service in 2014 during the indyref, and he was meant to be neutral, but he showed George Osborne how to weaponise the currency debate against Scotland.
MacPherson’s memo at the time of the 2014 indyref was published, in which he said, in an extreme case like the Scottish independence referendum which he described as people seeking to destroy the fabric of the state, the usual Civil service neutrality rules don’t apply.
Yet Sturgeon the Betrayer of Scots and EU citizens has employed this guy, as George Kerevan has said there can be no more pretence that Sturgeon has any intentions of holding an indyref or words to that effect.
We should’ve seen this coming when Sturgeon appointed the likes of Benny Higgins on the creation of an investment bank.
Ian Brotherhood
3 years ago
Hatuey is fearmongering. Again.
Newly published papers have given hope.
Please watch this short film. It explains why we are perfectly capable of dealing with covid without vaccines. Furthermore, it explains *WHY* the vaccines are dangerous. They are the real danger now.
All the lockdowns, restrictions, ever-changing rules and non-stop propaganda had one aim – to make us fearful, grateful for ‘the jab’. Our bodies have wonderful natural defences against all sorts of bugs and bacteria. Unfortunately, our minds are much more malleable. The lockdowns were the preparation – getting the jags in arms is, literally, the ‘money shot’ for the characters behind this diabolical outrage.
Hatuey says:
10 July, 2021 at 11:16 am
Ruby, the BBC series ‘A history of the world in 100 objects’ did a really good episode on that painting. I couldn’t believe how much there was to it…
Reply
I didn’t see that programme due to not watching TV any more.
Sounds very interesting.
In the past the BBC have produced some excellent history of art programmes.
Breastplate
3 years ago
Hatuey,
No, I can’t.
Does that mean such people don’t exist?
Ruby
3 years ago
James Che. says:
10 July, 2021 at 11:21 am
Ruby.
I do not see anything offensive in my last post on previous thread.
Reply
So?
James Che.
3 years ago
the farmer hatuey busy planting seeds for dispersal into the wind.
Those days of, “You are a weapon of mass destruction” and once you move slightly you will explode with death volatile particles to kill all your friends and family.
What is the point of having a vaccine if,
1) it gives you no protection.
2) it does not stop you spreading the virus.
3) you still have to self isolate should get the virus after vaccinations.
James Che.
3 years ago
Ruby.
I don’t quite see how they are offensive in anyway, just the opposite.
sarah
3 years ago
The appointment of “Sir” Nicolas MacPherson by M/s Sturgeon is the last straw. Scotland’s chance of regaining its full status has been destroyed. How cleverly it has been done.
She has emasculated the party into accepting whatever she says and does, including the NEC voting for dubious, probably unlawful, selection procedures.
She creates barriers to doing anything for independence, brainwashing the party and public into going along with “after Brexit”, “after Covid”, must be gold standard s30 etc etc etc. All mandates have been left unactioned.
If we rise up and remove Sturgeon the UK can say Scotland is out of control. Oh dear me we will have to run the place. How convenient that we have all those civil servants in the new building in Edinburgh.
I shall write again to my MSP and MP. I shall tell them that the only way we will get independence is for the parliamentary groups to abandon supporting M/s Sturgeon. Either she must be made to resign or they must all move to Alba. These civilised methods are the only ones that I think would avoid the danger of UK taking over.
But I won’t hold my breath waiting to see a miraculous conversion to comprehending the truth.
Captain Yossarian
3 years ago
Two things: 1) Stuart Campbell said that he would reassess things in November. 2) Ruby isn’t here to police these pages.
Jim F. McIntosh
3 years ago
The Rev. has rightly given up any hope of an indy ref. in this parliament with betrayer Sturgeon in charge and a great deal of us agree with that claim. I think a lot of us are thoroughly scunnered and are just waiting and hoping for a chance to get rid of her and possibly the SNP also if they don’t shape up and grow a pair. I don’t think it would take much for a huge stampede to the ALBA party next election if a ref. is not held before then but looks like we will have to put up with this pretendy independence party for now.
Hatuey
3 years ago
Ruby, it was a radio program, you can get it on podcast along with all the others. I very rarely watch TV myself.
Breastplate: “Does that mean such people don’t exist?”
No, it means your point is unsubstantiated. I prefer substantiated.
Folk are drifting away from this site because nothing but a weekly cartoon (however well drawn) is ever going to sustain any site. This isn’t a criticism of the Rev Stu, who not only did his shift but an amazing amount of over-time. I suspect – and certainly hope – he will return to the Scottish blogosphere after much-needed R&R.
Meanwhile, being new on the job, I possess a (perhaps naive) belief that it’s vital to draw to the attention of even a tiny fraction of the Scottish population an official report which (masked by deliberately impenetrable language) nonetheless reveals why Holyrood became an Orwellian nightmare and how Big Sister stays in power: link to jaggy.blog
Hatuey
3 years ago
James Che;
1) it gives you no protection.
Then how do you explain the reduction in hospitalisation and morbidity relative to infection rates, and the age-shift in positive cases that shows more younger unvaccinated people catching the disease?
2) it does not stop you spreading the virus.
It isn’t as simplistic and binary as you think. The vaccine will stop some catching it and result in dramatically milder symptoms for most. In both cases you are less likely to spread it.
3) you still have to self isolate should get the virus after vaccinations.
Right now that’s true but it may change. The reason it’s true now is because we still have lots of partially vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the population. As it stands we would be putting them at risk if we didn’t encourage isolation.
In the future we will have different rules and responsibilities for those who are vaccinated and those who aren’t. Actually we can see that system taking shape now — you basically can’t travel abroad unless you prove you have had two doses.
Saffron Robe
3 years ago
Nicola Sturgeon has announced plans to boost the economy by opening pop-up Covid vaccination centres in Scotland’s major cities. The centres will be based in disused shop premises and customers will be given the opportunity to pick and mix their vaccines of choice, with discounts available on selected ranges, as guidelines for the recommended time between doses are set to be lifted. There will be no age limitations as Ms Sturgeon said this would be discriminatory and simply by setting foot on the premises would imply consent. Safe consumption rooms will be provided at the back of the premises along with an emergency phone line for anyone suffering from adverse effects. Specially trained gender-neutral staff will be on hand to provide assistance, reassurance and biscuits. Ms Sturgeon promised that customers’ personal details would be kept strictly in accordance with data protection laws and used solely for government monitoring purposes. She said she was dismayed that the internal market bill dictated that all vaccines regardless of make or origin would have to be branded with a Union flag, but said the benefits of taking the vaccine far outweigh any doubts she has about the packaging. She said that the contents of the vaccines could not be revealed due to Government-Big Pharma confidentiality but would like to assure everyone that all of the approved vaccines meet the lowest possible safety standards and have been extensively tested on bats. Ms Sturgeon said the government would not be promoting any one particular vaccine over another as it was purely a matter of personal choice, but guaranteed that all customers will be given a special rainbow badge which glows in the dark as a sign that they have surrendered all their critical faculties to the government.
Folk are drifting away from this site because a weekly cartoon (however well drawn) is never going to sustain any site. This isn’t a criticism of the Rev Stu, who not only did his shift but an amazing amount of over-time. I suspect – and certainly hope – he will return to the Scottish blogosphere after much-needed R&R.
Meanwhile, being new on the job, I possess a (perhaps naive) belief that it’s vital to draw to the attention of even a tiny fraction of the Scottish population an official report which (masked by deliberately impenetrable language) nonetheless reveals why Holyrood became an Orwellian nightmare and how Big Sister stays in power: link to jaggy.blog
Republic of Scotland Morrisons was not taken over by US group.The shareholders will eventually vote on proposed bids by US consortiums.
Tom Kane
3 years ago
JFM@12-15
We don’t have enough time to wait for the next election. Either by accident or design the Scottish Parliament is starting to look juvenile… results in transportation, education, police scotland, copfs, illegal proceedings and lawyers supporting civil servants and non-politicians to protect the SNP leadership… we don’t have the luxury of a long wait.
breatplate@10:38
I am a fan of equations… the balancing of two perspectives on the same truth… So… no quarrel there.
But as far as epidemilology goes, there are more than two sides that need to be balanced in pursuing public good in times of a pandemic that is raging and evolving both in viral infectivity (ease of transmission) and vector potency (the hit when it arrives on someone). This version of covid is young, vigoprous and growing arms and legs.
Us, in the northern hemisphere, controlling delta variants and newer emergents is a totally different problem to the one in NZ and Oz. They have protected lives first… which is one approach. We are stuck on a train where whatever is going on in the evolving world of covid variants is coming through our carriage and we only have limited resources for dealing with what’s already going on.
Lothian, Grampian, and others having to close down surgeries because of the stress on the system at present. We need proper walls in place and a strategy ready to go in order to protect our NHS workers and our citizenry. The Guardian article is looking at a smaller issue with a big magnifying glass.
sarah
3 years ago
@ Saffron Robe: thank you for trying to lift the mood with this spoof but it is too close to reality. “..a rainbow badge which glows in the dark as a sign that they have surrendered all their critical faculties to the government”.
Grouse Beater
3 years ago
From the economist who says Scotland should use its own pound as currency, his thoughts on a Green Central Bank, worth 15 minutes of your time.
O/T @ Grouse Beater: I read your twitter several times a day as a reliable source of the latest thinking on independence [and for the wildlife and garden, of course!]. Thank you. [I have to thank you here as I am not on twitter.]
Rogueslr
3 years ago
Anybody asked Alexa ‘is football coming home?’
Just asking…
Breastplate
3 years ago
Tom Kane,
I think you miss my point.
You mention the actions we must take regarding Covid because of the present problems we have, surely you must acknowledge that the present problems we have are because of the actions we have taken, no?
Again, if you believe like Hatuey that the lockdown and restrictions were and are necessary and have weighed the pros and cons, tell me the pros and cons of lockdown and restrictions.
I’ve made my views known regarding lockdown and why I don’t believe it was the best way forward because I didn’t believe that just a measurement of deaths was sufficient to make informed decisions regarding wider and future and present societal problems.
So, if you and Hatuey have weighed up the pros and cons like Hatuey has suggested, let’s hear them.
Breastplate
3 years ago
Tom,
I hasten to add that I’m not saying you are wrong, just that I have a different perspective.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Cherrybank.
According to this they have accepted a bid.
“Morrisons – the supermarket chain that this week accepted a £6.3 billion takeover bid by a US group.”
Anyway, I see your concern lies with that, and not the supplanting of Scottish food produce.
James Che.
3 years ago
Hatuey,
This is how the reduction is explained.
Google
1) Plos One, Mortality Attribute to influenza in England and Wales during 2009 pandemic.
And
Epidemiology and infection Lessons from 40 years surveillance of influenza in England and Wales.
Influenza deaths in England and Wales.
Viruses Due to natural causes have a natural life existence for the populations in general in amongst different age groups .
The graphs and deaths amongst the populations from influenza on these dates will verify not only that viruses kill people but that governments in uk had discussed closing down schools previously. And that it is impossible to prevent new viruses without the human body becoming full of toxic vaccinated chemicals that the average person would object to if they were told these chemicals had been spread on their food before being boxed or canned.
2) The fact that a fully vaccinated person is [not guaranteed] as not able to spread the virus in amongst the rest of us, is not a guarantee at all.
3) The discrimination of the Human race between vaccinated persons rights and non vaccinated persons is nazi like in its creation where parts of society has a pass to live life freely, while others are segregated.
4) For those like myself and cancer patients whom may be more at risk taking the vaccine rather than not taking it poses questions to the vaccinated roaming freely possible still spreading covid virus. Should the vaccinated still be in lockdown?
5) At this moment in time the UK government. And the Scottish government are breaking the law on human rights under Ageism by locking up the people over a certain age especially in care homes without [ their] consent or the consent of their children and families. This is also discrimination.
6) Withdrawal of family contact and stimulation is also breaking the law as in the treaty of the union under private rights, and under human rights, (google) citizens advice on legalities .
7) And an important one that you may wish to ignore or scoff at in a derogatory manner as it may not suit you’re own perception of sovereignty, but that is a legal position in Scotland, and sovereignty of a persons body, and freedoms would be going against human rights, The Scotland Act, private right ( Treaty of the Union) , the UNs right to self determination, of a people to chose their own ( future) and their country.
I am sure I could research some other legalities that may be an offence for the uk and the Scottish government to impose even under the health act, as this is not an article mentioned by England or Scotland as specific in the 1707 treaty of the union.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
As child poverty in the UK reaches epidemic proportions, the High court in England has rejected a challenge over the Tory governments two-child limit for welfare payments.
The ruling restricts Child Tax Credits and Universal Credit to the first two children in a family.
The soon to be ermine vermin Ruth Davidson is an avid fan of the Rape Clause, in which if a woman is raped, and she conceives a child, she must then go through a strict Q&A session to qualify for the above benefits for a third child.
Republic of Scotland you should not believe anything you read in the newspapers.My principal concern is to correct nonsense.I remain a shareholder of Morrisons and will vote on the proposals.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
(SIM) Scottish Independence Movement, are organising a indy march that will hopefully take place on the 14th of August, the assembly point is in Kelvingrove park Glasgow at 11.55am, it will march to Glasgow Green.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Fair enough.
Tell me Cherrybank, since you profess to be in the know, will the bid succeed?
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Re my 2pm comment to Cherrybank.
“Under the terms of the Fortress-led deal, Morrisons shareholders will receive 254p a share, comprising 252p in cash and a 2p cash dividend. That is a 4% premium to the 243p Morrisons share price closed at on Friday but a premium of 42% to its closing share price of 178p on 18 June – the last business day before CD&R’s proposal.”
“Andrew Higginson, the chair of Morrisons, said: “The Morrisons directors believe that the offer represents a fair and recommendable price for shareholders which recognises Morrisons’ future prospects.”
Sounds like the deal will go through, I bet with Cherrybanks interest in it, that they have quite a few share.
Nally Anders
3 years ago
ROS
Thanks for the heads up re: the ‘march’.
Cheered me up no end.
Great Toon Chris, yes we are all about to be swamped.
Ruby
3 years ago
Rogueslr says:
10 July, 2021 at 1:28 pm
Anybody asked Alexa ‘is football coming home?’
Just asking…
Reply
Google Home answers
Well, football is shaped like a globe so I would say the whole world is the home of football!
Breastplate
3 years ago
Hatuey @ 12:36pm,
“ 2) it does not stop you spreading the virus.
It isn’t as simplistic and binary as you think. The vaccine will stop some catching it and result in dramatically milder symptoms for most. In both cases you are less likely to spread it.”
Sorry Hatuey,
The vaccine does not endow you with an invisible barrier that the virus can’t cross. You will still catch the virus, your immune system will deal with it but meantime you will still be able to pass it on.
Breastplate
3 years ago
Hatuey,
Before you get back to me, I’m just stating the obvious, I’m not commenting on how more or less a vaccinated person, an unvaccinated person who hasn’t had Covid yet or an unvaccinated person who has had Covid and has antibodies is likely to pass on the virus.
Cuilean
3 years ago
Another excellent piece of work.
Thank you Chris for keeping the Indy flame alive during this dark, ‘Sturgeon Cult’ period.
She and her now invisible husband can’t hold onto power forever.
We shall overcome one day.
Ruby
3 years ago
Rob Brown says:
10 July, 2021 at 12:39 pm
Folk are drifting away from this site because a weekly cartoon (however well drawn) is never going to sustain any site
Reply
There is more than just a weekly cartoon posted on this site.
Any reason why Wings posters cannot sustain peoples interest?
For example posting interesting links like you have done.
Ruby
3 years ago
James Che. says:
10 July, 2021 at 12:08 pm
Ruby.
I don’t quite see how they are offensive in anyway, just the opposite.
Reply
Who said they were?
Ruby
3 years ago
Captain Yossarian says:
10 July, 2021 at 12:12 pm
2) Ruby isn’t here to police these pages.
Reply
That’s lucky for you ‘Yossa’ otherwise you would have been banned long ago, probably after your 500th post about the ‘sinking school’
Ruby
3 years ago
Where’s Mia?
Why isn’t she posting anymore?
Tom Kane
3 years ago
Breastplate, 1:32
I don’t think there’s much between us on trying to do the right thing. It’s just that the difficult medical approach of isolation has to be on the table and available for use under the right circumstances.
There were two places where a Scottish national strategy would have helped … One in closing down when the Kent variation appeared, and the other, when the Indian variant appeared. Not to solve the problems, but to give our NHS a chance at coping with the consequences, pursuing mitigation strategies and even finding solutions without being up to the neck treating live cases.
I respect your perspective, though, Breastplate.
It’s good to talk.
Captain Yossarian
3 years ago
Ruby – folk are getting tired of your mind-numbing skitter. Why don’t you just switch the computer off and go for a walk. This site will get-on fine without you.
Ruby
3 years ago
Hatuey says:
10 July, 2021 at 12:17 pm
Ruby, it was a radio program, you can get it on podcast along with all the others. I very rarely watch TV myself.
Reply
Thanks Hatuey I found it.
Here’s a link for anyone else who might be interested.
Captain Yossarian says:
10 July, 2021 at 2:49 pm
Ruby – folk are getting tired of your mind-numbing skitter. Why don’t you just switch the computer off and go for a walk. This site will get-on fine without you.
Reply
Wow!
Captain Yossarian showing his true colours!
Ruby
3 years ago
PS Captain Yossarian
This site is not getting on fine or haven’t you noticed?
Won’t lift your spirits much, but some I hope. Scotland’s new Gauleiter Mark McInnes of Kilwinning, was apparently Jim Murphy’s chum behind the mighty Better Together Campaign. See? Told you you’d feel better. 😉
Here was me worrying they’d appoint somebody streetwise and on the ball. Of course, maybe McInnes is just the decoy, and the real anti-Independence drive remains discreetly ensconced in Bute House. Who can say?
Dan
3 years ago
@ Breeks
At this stage I wouldn’t be surprised if the Scottish Government Administrators of Devolved Powers appoint a certain Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor to produce policy on whether Scotland should move to being a republic or retain the monarchy…
Andrew F
3 years ago
Latest stats for this week from Australia:
Dead with COVID so far: 910
Dead after injections so far: 355
There is an insane line of argument going on in this country along the lines that the injection has a smaller probability of harming or killing you than the relatively unlikely to harm or kill you virus it may or may not actually prevent you from being harmed or killed by.
Anything that needs 24/7 PR, expert trolls, threats and lollies to try to coerce the public into, is probably best avoided by a country mile.
Everyone is free to decide for themselves, but nobody has any right to dictate to the rest of us that we must be injected with anything.
Ian Brotherhood
3 years ago
@AndrewF –
Hear hear.
The architects of this madness are becoming visibly frustrated that people are exhibiting such stubborn ‘hesitancy’.
You mentioned Australia. According to UK Column this week, the uptake across the whole of Australia has been around 5%. That’s perhaps why characters like Fauci are now becoming very ill-tempered and edging ever-closer to warning of punishment for those who don’t comply. Biden himself warned that they will be going ‘door-to-door’ in order to persuade the unwilling.
But our main enemy isn’t a cabal of sociopaths. The ones to watch are Hatuey and his ilk – anonymised, cowardly fascists who have plans for everyone and are salivating at the prospect of wielding real power. He has, in this place, openly called for ‘anti-vaxxers’ to be denied the right to work, travel, or have a social life. And he’s not joking.
Hugh Jarse
3 years ago
No Euro’s special Stu?
Fabulous scribbling as usual CC.
No love lost on those rocks.
Republic of Scotland.Morrisons is currently trading at 264.90,so the Stock Exchange expects further bids.Morisons is a well run company that tries to do the right thing by its various stakehplders. I am opposed to American hedge funds ruining British firms.I would vote against a hedge fund takeover but it would be very likely to succeed.
James Che.
3 years ago
Ian brotherhood.
Indeed his glee in rhetoric of forced control regards covid is a reminder of World War Two behaviour,
As a non Jew it scares the heebee jeebies out of me, even the possible forthcoming passport to dictate of whom will be allowed freedom, travel of movement and who will under lock an key,
Are we to be branded or have arm tattoos, perhaps all the non vaccinated will be moved together like scum, having unequal rights to those whom consider themselves a superior vaccinated race.
James Che.
3 years ago
Ruby.
Re you’re comments,
10 July 2021, 10:53am.
Your comment:The posts of the last thread are very unpleasant that could be one of the reasons why people are going elsewhere.
I just wished to make the point that you are tarring an awful lot of people with the same brush indiscriminately.
Hatuey
3 years ago
Andrew F, your data is deliberately misleading. You’re suggesting the vaccine killed those people. We’ve seen this hypocrisy before on here…
Before there was a vaccine you argued that many who died were misdiagnosed as covid deaths. You possible can’t see that you’re doing that very same thing now, attributing all deaths amongst the vaccinated to the vaccine.
You then say “nobody has any right to dictate to the rest of us that we must be injected with anything”, which is true. And nobody is doing it.
But just as it’s your right to reject the vaccine, others have the right to stop unvaccinated people boarding planes, entering shops and bars, eating in restaurants, etc. People are already exercising those rights, just as people are exercising their right not to be vaccinated.
For my part, I wouldn’t go on a plane that allowed unvaccinated people on it. I wouldn’t eat in a restaurant next to an unvaccinated person. You get the idea.
Companies that pander to the unvaccinated will be boycotted and they’ll soon change their policies. Again, it’s my right to do that.
These rights are complicated, aren’t they?
James Che.
3 years ago
Hatuey. Been as you never responded to my comments at 1 46pm today,
Perhaps you will to the more recent one at 5: 38 pm, today as this has some parallels to how you are coming across to people, you are beginning to sound like the SS in nazi Germany.
Saffron Robe
3 years ago
Yes, swap “unvaccinated people” for “Jewish people” in Hatuey’s comment above and the picture becomes clear.
Captain Yossarian
3 years ago
Ruby appears to have gone to her bed and thank Heavens for that.
That wee ferry looks an awful lot like these two partially built ferries tied up at Port Glasgow just now.
The last I heard a new Royal Yacht was likely to cost £200m. These two wee ferries could cost £300m.
Hatuey
3 years ago
Breastplate, it’s clear to me that you don’t understand the dynamics of viral infections, how the immune system neutralises them, the difference between the virus (SARS-CoV-2) and the disease it causes (COVID-19), and how infections spread.
If you’re comfortable discussing immunoglobulins and the basic mechanics of the 5 antibody types that regulate our immune response (IgG, IgM, IgA, IgD, IgE), it would take about 3 seconds to dismiss what you’re saying as junk, but I’m not willing to explain it to you first.
The vaccine does, as a matter of scientific fact, stop some people from developing the disease. That’s what antibodies do, providing there’s enough of them.
Incidentally, Ian Brotherhood posted a link earlier to a Chinese guy who went a long way towards explaining how the immune systems works. I’d recommend watching it.
If you’re arguing that vaccinated people can still spread the virus, of course they can. In theory so could bumble bees or brass ornamental Eiffel Towers.
robbo
3 years ago
Andrew F says:
10 July, 2021 at 4:35 pm
Latest stats for this week from Australia:
Dead with COVID so far: 910
Dead after injections so far: 355
Anything that needs 24/7 PR, expert trolls, threats and lollies to try to coerce the public into, is probably best avoided by a country mile.
————–
Well if they offer me a double raspberry magnum I’m defo going for ma booster in winter. Stuff you.
robbo
3 years ago
Captain Yossarian says:
10 July, 2021 at 6:20 pm
Ruby appears to have gone to her bed and thank Heavens for that.
That wee ferry looks an awful lot like these two partially built ferries tied up at Port Glasgow just now.
The last I heard a new Royal Yacht was likely to cost £200m. These two wee ferries could cost £300m.
————
And how many of us are likely to be on the Royal Yacht at a cost of £200m then Einstein ?
Back to your never ending 2sinking school that never sinks”.
Robert Graham
3 years ago
Aye well the fraud continues unabated , a year and a half of daily brainwashing every hour of the day every Radio Station every TV News channel it’s Covid Covid Covid get jabbed to protect everyone else it’s your moral duty to get injected and unless you do it voluntarily we your government will make it impossible for you to live a normal life so you better comply .
Some facts missing from this propaganda and very relevant facts.
This Chemical is not a cure even this Government won’t go that far it’s all just implied
This Chemical won’t stop you being infected
This Chemical won’t stop you infecting others
All this propaganda is meant to ensure compliance and make sure the ones who have been obedient and are following Government orders turn on the people who are very sceptical of what’s going on it’s not Advice it’s Government orders , mandatory has replaced Compulsory I expect its to make it sound nicer .
Even after the majority of the people in this country have been jabbed nothing has changed most free thinking people realise something is not right , after listening to Experts for a year and a half I have come to the conclusion they don’t know so they just waffle on and hope people don’t notice
I believe In short they haven’t a fkn clue so the story changes when the wonder Chemical is shown to cause yet another unfortunate Side effect that was missed during the intensive testing that was carried out at breakneck speed , sooner or later someone will discover Time can’t be compressed however cleverly the results are manipulated and tweaked to make them more palatable .
More people have died of the Flu and Smoking than this plague and without the hysterical response that has a lot of people scared shitless .
Captain Yossarian
3 years ago
Robbo – and how many of us are likely to be on these two ferries?
Ruby
3 years ago
James Che. says:
10 July, 2021 at 5:52 pm
Ruby.
Re you’re comments,
10 July 2021, 10:53am.
Your comment:The posts of the last thread are very unpleasant that could be one of the reasons why people are going elsewhere.
I just wished to make the point that you are tarring an awful lot of people with the same brush indiscriminately.
Reply
I get the impression that you are just looking for a fight with me and I wonder why?
I did not say:
“The posts of the last thread are very unpleasant”
I said:
“The posts on the end of the last thread are very unpleasant that could be one reason why people are going elsewhere.”
I will accept that I should have stated exactly what I meant by the end of the thread but I thought posters would have been able to figure it out especially those who were posting around midnight.
Ruby
3 years ago
Captain Yossarian says:
10 July, 2021 at 6:20 pm
Ruby appears to have gone to her bed and thank Heavens for that.
Reply
What’s you problem with me Yossa?
Ruby
3 years ago
Saffron Robe says:
10 July, 2021 at 6:20 pm
Yes, swap “unvaccinated people” for “Jewish people” in Hatuey’s comment above and the picture becomes clear.
Reply
Are you an ordained Buddhist monk?
Just wondering why you use the moniker ‘Saffron Robe’
Derek
3 years ago
Hi Chris,
You could’ve stuck a wee Mt. Fuji in the background…
Ruby
3 years ago
James Che. says:
10 July, 2021 at 6:02 pm
Hatuey. Been as you never responded to my comments at 1 46pm today,
Perhaps you will to the more recent one at 5: 38 pm, today as this has some parallels to how you are coming across to people, you are beginning to sound like the SS in nazi Germany.
Reply
Since you were keen to know what I found unpleasant about your posts I can tell you that I find claiming another poster sounds “like the SS in nazi Germany’ very unpleasant.
Pixywine
3 years ago
There is no “Delta Variant” Its pure propaganda. When are fools going to wake up? Does Denison Barracks operate as a 24 hour whore house?
Pixywine
3 years ago
Ruby. The SS were good at their job. Hatuey less so.
Nally Anders
3 years ago
You’ve got to read this article. An absolute better demolishing Boris and the new strategy of herd immunity.
Says it all.
Many thanks, Sarah, for linking into the news facility.
Pixywine
3 years ago
Robbo. Good luck and enjoy your double raspberry magnum as if it is your last.
Ruby
3 years ago
robbo says:
Back to your never ending 2sinking school that never sinks”.
Reply
Yossa’ll be hoping you go to bed and stay there. 🙂
Effigy
3 years ago
Morrison’s like so many U.K. business’ have been sold off to foreign investors.
Many countries put limits on foreign acquisition but everything U.K. is for sale.
The one good point perhaps is their American owners may remove the Butchers Apron flag
from their goods?
You may find the Star Spangled banner on the post Brexit deal Steroid Beef and Chlorinated Chicken?
Land of the Fee, Home of the Slave!
Tannadice Boy
3 years ago
I watched the England vs Germany World Cup Final live in 1966. And have never watched it since until now. What surprised me just now was the poor standard of football. Its on tv at the moment. Football has definitely progressed, neither of these sides would win anything presently. On tomorrow’s game one member of my family married an English man namely my daughter. One of my grandchildren is half Scottish and half English. I will be supporting England. I thought the National front page was disgraceful. We will never win Independence on the ticket of hatred. We should be better than that.
Pixywine
3 years ago
Only 5% “vaccine” take up in Australia? No wonder the Government and police over there are being so Fascistic. Do the lockdown vaccine queen’s on here want to see policemen beating up 12 year old girls because they don’t have a mask in the street? For Christ’s sake you Fascists snap out of your power trip over a virus with a 98% survival rate. Stop your Fascism now before it ends tragically.
Ian Brotherhood
3 years ago
The ‘Chinese guy’ Hatuey refers to in his 6.21 comment is Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi. He is not Chinese.
Here is a potted CV. (Please note that it is not from Wikipedia, which has, of course, decided to trash his reputation.)
‘Sucharit Bhakdi was born in Washington, DC, and educated at schools in Switzerland, Egypt, and Thailand. He studied medicine at the University of Bonn in Germany, where he received his MD in 1970. He was a post-doctoral researcher at the Max Planck Institute of Immunobiology and Epigenetics in Freiburg from 1972 to 1976, and at The Protein Laboratory in Copenhagen from 1976 to 1977. He joined the Institute of Medical Microbiology at Giessen University in 1977 and was appointed associate professor in 1982. He was named chair of Medical Microbiology at the University of Mainz in 1990, where he remained until his retirement in 2012. Dr. Bhakdi has published over three hundred articles in the fields of immunology, bacteriology, virology, and parasitology, for which he has received numerous awards and the Order of Merit of Rhineland-Palatinate. Sucharit Bhakdi and his wife, Karina Reiss, live with their three-year-old son, Jonathan Atsadjan, in a small village near the city of Kiel.
Pixywine
3 years ago
Hatstand. You’re bluffing. You know how to use Google just like Xracen but you are not a virologist. You are not a doctor and you are not an epidemiologist. You’re a Government Troll. You’re fooling no one.
Tom Kane
3 years ago
Nally@6:58
Scary biscuits, Nally. There is a nasty hidden agenda being unleashed… This is “Labour isn’t working” for the 21st century.
They plan to destroy the NHS by stressing it out and implicating the general population at the same time.
Pixywine
3 years ago
I’m certain the readership of this site are nowhere near as stoooopid as Hatstand as he desperately appeals to power.
If people wish to trust self interested politicians ie Hancock then go get your jabs but fuck off and leave those of us who choose not to be jabbed, in peace. Don’t descriminate against us because we refuse to follow the sheep. I promise you given that everything about the past year and a half of politics rings all my alarm bells, I’ll take a shot through the neck before I take the scum bastard Governments snake oil. Fuck Bozo and fuck back off to Hell Sturgeon.
Pixywine
3 years ago
A lot of doctors and nurses are having to quarantine when the track and surveillance system pings their phone so, many of them are switching their t and t apps off because they are not sick or infectious. Some fucking cunts Blair Johnson the banks etc are making money out of this mad covid shit. The reason some Scots wear kilts is because they have nothing left to lose to the cold.
Breastplate
3 years ago
Hatuey,
You said initially that the vaccine will stop some people catching the virus.
This is still incorrect.
You have now changed this to the vaccine will stop some people developing the disease.
This is correct.
Also Hatuey, you still haven’t explained why vaccinated people are in danger from unvaccinated people.
What terrible affliction can be visited upon them that can’t be conveyed by a vaccinated person?
Please use all your knowledge of science to educate us.
Ruby
3 years ago
Is everyone in the UK a fan of football except me?
I know next to nothing about the sport except that footballers earn a shit load of money & there is often trouble after football matches.
I can’t really see why fans are so happy/sad/proud when their team wins or loses. It’s not as if they are the ones who do all the training and are on the pitch kicking the ball around.
Sure they are in the stands singing & shouting but that is just a very minor role. Nothing to be proud about.
I phoned Kwik-Fit the other day to book a MOT the calls were being answered by a call centre in England (due to numerous local Kwik-Fit branches being closed due to Covid) the guy who answered the phone told me he was really happy due to football results and he reckoned a win for England would give the whole country a huge boost.
I found that amazing! Great if the results of a football can do that but worried about what will happen if England lose!
Will people sink into a depression?
The football conversation came about because the ‘KwikFit’ guy asked me how I was and I asked him in return how he was. 🙁
If I were forced, really forced at gunpoint to pick between Italy & England I would choose Italy principally because I like my local chippie, I went to Italy on honeymoon & because ‘Sinister Dave’ is a ****!
Brian Doonthetoon
3 years ago
As I understand it, if you’re vaccinated, you can still be carrying the virus on your breath or hands.
The virus doesn’t affect you (or minimum affect) but you can transmit the virus to others by skin-to-skin contact or breathing on them.
Brian Doonthetoon
3 years ago
SHAZBOT!
Should be (or minimum effect).
Aunty Flo
3 years ago
Ian Brotherhood says:
‘All the lockdowns, restrictions, ever-changing rules and non-stop propaganda had one aim – to make us fearful, grateful for ‘the jab’.’
This is now becoming so bloody obvious to anyone with a functioning brain cell or two, because, if lockdowns worked why are we still doing them?
And, if lockdowns DON’T work, why are we still doing them?
willie
3 years ago
Looks like the astute class nuclear sub that ran aground on Skye.
Or is it the destroyers with broken engines all washed up on the rocks.
Or more recently is it the HMS Defender being chased out of Russian waters.
Whatever was in your mind Chris the toon reminds you of the busted flush that is the Royal navy.
Ian Brotherhood
3 years ago
@Aunty Flo (8.41) –
‘if lockdowns DON’T work, why are we still doing them?’
It’s alarming that more aren’t asking that same question. But the impending assault on our children will surely force a lot of folk to wake up.
Aunty Flo
3 years ago
Ian Brotherhood at 9.04 pm:
‘.. the impending assault on our children will surely force a lot of folk to wake up.’
Let’s hope and pray that is the case, Ian, because if they don’t, we, and future generations, are well and truly farked.
Tannadice Boy
3 years ago
#Ian Brotherhood 9:04pm
You are late to the game on the assualt to our children. I remember having to expend lot’s of resource on defeating Named Person. I refer you to the Supreme Court judgment.
Ruby
3 years ago
Just spotted the flag & the banana boats!
David Caledonia
3 years ago
I was down in gourock today, and I can report that the ferries are running just fine, nobody is going without a ferry service
The ferries in Port Glasgow will get finished and be added to the services and the older ferries will probably be sold off to somewhere that needs them
All ships have a certain amount of life in them, but sometimes better and more up to date vessels are required and the older one’s can be overhauled and spend many more years in useful service, the weather in scotland takes its toll on a lot of things, even my brollies don’t last forever.
We do not have a virus, what we have is a biological weapon that’s going to kill.
I have had all vaccines up until this one.
Ian Brotherhood
3 years ago
@Tannadice Boy –
Better late than never, eh?
😉
David Caledonia
3 years ago
This is a strange one !
I got a letter in from the health service, seems I have a phone consultation on the 8th of August from them.
I have enquired about getting my feet done, when I phoned them a young whippersnapper answered the phone, I said I need my feet done, and she said, all the people who work on feet are injecting people with the covid vaccine, so there is no feet getting done.
I said, what is the point of me having a phone consultation if their is no service, she said, would you like another appointment time, and I said, what is the point of me changing it.
She must have been awfully busy doing nothing, I suppose she is very busy doing nothing all day, she put the phone down on me and I had to phone back and avery nice young chap answered my call, but that was two phone calls that cost me money to enquire about a service that’s not there
Isn’t life wonderful just now, thank goodness at least I
don’t have a little problem like cancer to bother them with
Tannadice Boy
3 years ago
@ian Brotherhood 9:04pm
My previous comment has been withheld. Pity it sums up our dilemma.
Davie Oga
3 years ago
Hatuey
“For my part, I wouldn’t go on a plane that allowed unvaccinated people on it. I wouldn’t eat in a restaurant next to an unvaccinated person. You get the idea.”
As someone who won’t take the jab, and who has flied regularly throughout the pandemic, I would like to say thank you for that.
James Che.
3 years ago
Ruby I don’t mind if you’re references were about me all, in fact I was feeling a bit left out by you as a target. I might not have been the first here on you list, but Thank you for getting around to and for the the attention. 🙂
Ian Brotherhood
3 years ago
@Davie Oga (10.19) –
You’ve nailed Hatuey’s real problem here…
He’s been asked, repeatedly, how he’ll ever be satisfied that the beastly non-vaxxed are identifiable in everyday life.
He won’t answer because he knows it means advocating some form of visual identification. The track & trace systems don’t work. What Hatuey wants is something easily visible, striking, even from a distance, so that he can take evasive action or call for the authorities to deal with the miscreant.
‘Yellow Star’ is too loaded, obvious. But he needs something similarly stark.
And if such a thing can be approved? He’ll champion it, big-time.
Think Donald Sutherland, at the very end of Invasion of the Body snatchers, fingering anyone who caught his attention. That’s oor Hatuey, in his element, all his dreams fulfilled…
James Che.
3 years ago
There are a awful lot of wisdom growing here that will bode well for our future,
Dan
3 years ago
Hatuey says: at 5:53 pm
“For my part, I wouldn’t go on a plane that allowed unvaccinated people on it. I wouldn’t eat in a restaurant next to an unvaccinated person.”
If risk reduction is your game then would you stroke or extend a finger to formally greet an unvaccinated pussy?
If animals can act as fomites then should they also require vaccination? Dugs socialise by sniffing eachother’s butts and noses, and cats get up to all sorts like visiting potentially unvaccinated neighbours for extra scran and cuddles.
Tannadice Boy
3 years ago
Wings over Scotland the last bastion of free speech for the time being. Where are we going to get that in the future. A story to end my contribution. An advanced pregnancy.
Of 5 months gone wrong
Ambulance 40 minutes late. Explanation? There was none.
That was 30 plus years ago. I look at my wife now and have total admiration for her. She is doing a great job with the grandchildren. A lost Scotland a lost opportunity
James Che.
3 years ago
Pixywine.
I had also read that about the apps and doctors and nurses,
I have direct knowledge that a care worker I know was being intimidated into taking the covid jab, or lose their employment, they asked me what to do,
So did a bit of research for them and gave them the legal jargon I provided for hatuey,
( see hatuey, it was not new news to me that employers might try blackmail) They took it into their meeting with them, as well as stating it was the care workers beliefs,
They company had not been prepared for a legal barrage and backed of.
That was a while ago and still they still have their job.
Sometimes with a bit of legal knowledge and help from each other we can defeat bullies.
James Che.
3 years ago
Dave Caledonia.
That scenario is happening in our surgery too,
I thought that perhaps our surgery was individually disfunctional under covid, interesting to hear of another,
Ian Brotherhood
3 years ago
@Dan (11.13) –
That’s an excellent and practical suggestion!
Hatuey could get a dog trained to alert him to the approach of the non-vaccinated, and take it about him everywhere he goes (with an extendable lead, obviously).
Mind you, knowing Hatuey as we do, the temptation would be too great – he’d get a big mastiff or suchlike and train it to tae savage them unto death.
Hatuey
3 years ago
Lol @ “He’s been asked, repeatedly, how he’ll ever be satisfied that the beastly non-vaxxed are identifiable in everyday life.”
Literally, I’ve never been asked once. But it’s a stupid question and a stupid person who would ask it.
Nobody is going to ask you to prove you’re unvaccinated — nobody really cares. You simply won’t be allowed to take part or given access to certain facilities if you can’t prove you have been fully vaccinated.
The airlines are already doing this because people in other countries, who also have rights, are insisting on it. You simply need a letter from the NHS.
I keep thinking about that wave in the cartoon, though. It’s huge. Hancock’s departure looks suspiciously timely.
If the vaccines don’t work, we are in big trouble. All of us.
The UK government is currently breaching the Nuremberg Code (link to cirp.org)
by causing people to become subjects in an experiment without their informed consent and by authorising the experiment on people without the full completion of trials on animals (see paragraph 3 “the experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation”). link to cirp.org
Why the rush to fast track experimental gene therapy technology? “Pfizer expects the COVID-19 vaccine to be a major revenue contributor for years, and has forecast sales of $26 billion from the shot in 2021. “ That is quite an incentive. link to jpost.com
Ian Brotherhood
3 years ago
@cirsium (12.08) –
The ‘Nuremberg’ link you provided is very clear.
The damage caused by these ‘vaccines’ is already well documented. Anyone in a position of responsibility who *knowingly* encourages others to take them is culpable.
It is unthinkable that civil servants, at Holyrood and WM, are not abreast of this stuff. They have a duty to inform ministers who, in turn, must inform the citizenry. It’s not complicated.
Characters like Hatuey are merely turn-keys, but they too are complicit and will, eventually, be brought to justice.
And they simply must be – otherwise, there is no good outcome for any of us.
ScotsRenewables
3 years ago
Ian Brotherhood and the other anivaxxers on here, you are fucking lunatics. Fuck off to a dark corner somewhere, the Indy movement does not need or want conspiracy nutjob wankers like you.
Hatuey
3 years ago
It isn’t a game, Ian.
I’ve never been asked to explain how unvaccinated people might be identified… I’d remember such a stupid question.
I see over 100 top academics have signed a letter urging the government to re-think its “freedom day” plan. It looks like I’m not the only one worrying about that wave and the impact it’ll have, on young people in particular.
Scotland is already seeing the beginnings of that impact. Many of those going into hospital in Dundee, for example, are young people;
“Dr Emma Fletcher – Tayside’s director of public health – said the situation was “exceptionally serious” and urged people aged between 18 and 29 to get themselves vaccinated.
“In a video message, she said: “This is the highest number of patients we have had since 12 February and our rate per 100,000 population is more than 10 times what it was just a few weeks ago.
“Unfortunately there are young people right now with Covid in Ninewells – not only in our general wards, but also in our intensive care unit and our high dependency unit.”
But who cares what the health experts say? Who cares what the top academics say? Who cares what anyone says? Who cares about unprotected young people? Who cares about the elderly and all those that already died, callously disregarded with lines like “they’d have died anyway”?
James Che summed the whole cause up earlier when he expressed his simple desire for attention.
A bunch of total fucking dimwits, manipulated by the tabloids and snake oil salesmen on YouTube, making calls that will destroy lives (their own included), all for a little attention and a chance to vent…
Robert graham
3 years ago
Renewables I see you have cornered the market in stupidly and your Tag Team partner He haughty what makes you a fkn expert when its obvious the experts are shit at solving this mass hysterical con job where panic is the new normal was it the Red or the blue pill you swallowed ?
Breastplate
3 years ago
Hatuey,
The experts that you talk of have had everything they wanted, everything.
That means that everything that’s happened up until now and presently has happened because of the decisions that have been made.
The links you post are talking about the rise in cases now as well as what may be expected after freedom day.
That means the problems we have now are of our own making.
What we are doing is not working.
Why do I have to lead you through this like a fucking toddler?
Breastplate
3 years ago
Don’t give me the shite “…but it would have been much worse if we didn’t…”
Hatuey
3 years ago
“Why do I have to lead you through this like a fucking toddler?”
I don’t know, but I suspect Dunning and Kruger might be able to explain it.
James Che.
3 years ago
Hatuey ,
Great thing about insomnia I get to answer at leisure,
You are a serious chap aren’t you, and I can see your unfamiliar with the word mockery.
As it went over and above you’re head here’s an explanation,
J che is easy amongst many friends and large family ties, attention is something that sometimes is something hard to avoid, so I take time out for long country walks to escape and recharge, precious my time.
You’re pal ruby is well known on here for not liking other commenters, many victims and many have stopped commenting, which is a goal achievement for ruby, so I just click baited Ruby’s character. It wasn’t hard to turn the tables around.
I like the way you pick and chose you’re replies, or do not reply at all to others, I noticed one or two saying that you had not answered.
These would be answered normally by others if they had thrown themselves in to the covid debate as you yourself did.
From your comments I presume you live in Angus district or Tayside, I have visited there once or twice in the past metal detecting.
I think time will tell if a bunch of f..king dimwits were right or wrong in the future,
I suppose it will depend on which comes first climate change lockdowns or war with Russia and possibly China, the rhetoric is steadily building up in the MSM, or wether America takes over command in Britain,
Or maybe them rockets that China have sent into space to intercept a great big rock that’s hurtling towards earth will miss.
There are so many ways for a person to die, were being spoilt for choice.
But when you have been near to death you stop worrying about death and take each new day as it comes.
You see life in a whole new way, and what was once important, now seems trivial. Even hate or hatred disappears.
The people who live life as if they are in total control and wish to control all humans to protect themselves are only fooling themselves in the long run,
If you are going to take control of anything make sure it’s the one thing causing misery and deaths to millions and millions of people,
Rogue governments.
Saffron Robe
3 years ago
Details of the huge profits being made from Covid-19 vaccines:
I thought the following paragraph was interesting:
“Oxford/AstraZeneca: unknown profit, after forecast sales of $6.4 billion in 2021. It is selling at the cheapest price (for now) and they have promised to produce at cost without making a profit “during the pandemic”. But what does that really mean? One leaked contract seen by the Financial Times suggests they could declare the pandemic over and hike prices at any time from July.”
Any coincidence that Boris Johnson is planning to lift restrictions in England on the 19th of July?
And the following paragraph is also quite revealing:
“The vaccines are being bought by governments around the world in advance bulk orders. Those profit figures, therefore, come overwhelmingly from sales to public authorities. Governments also massively subsidised the vaccines’ development. So the public sector is paying twice over: first to fund research, next to buy the results at inflated prices.”
twathater
3 years ago
ROS At 1.56pm Thanks for the link Re the (SIM) Scottish Independence Movement march in Glasgow on August 14th . my wife and I have attended most of the AUOB independence marches and enjoyed the camaraderie and atmosphere but unfortunately UNLESS this march is totally focused on demanding the removal of Sturgeon and her cabal we will not be participating
I will never again attend any gathering that gives or lends ANY credibility to Sturgeon, her woke coterie or her false promises and lies of independence
Devolutionists in action… “We demand you fix the BBC!”
Independentists would condemn the BBC as propagandists, and cite that as a failing in Westminster’s responsibility to administer to Scottish Broadcasting, and thus Scotland would exercise it’s sovereign right to establish it’s own state run broadcasting.
Breeks
3 years ago
“ what idiot called it independence day and not THE GREAT BRITISH BREAK OFF”.
It’s a Tweet relating to the 4th July, but I am so stealing it for Scottish Independence…
Breastplate
3 years ago
Hatuey,
You were quick to answer that question, not so much the ones that matter though.
Why is that?
Breastplate
3 years ago
Hatuey,
I see James Che took you to tak over selective answers too.
Breastplate
3 years ago
*to task
ScotsRenewables
3 years ago
Twathater,
Any March for Independence is a demand that the SNP do something. Write your own placard.
Don’t let your wholly justified disgust with the SNP mire you in gloom, get out there and do something.
Nally Anders
3 years ago
Twathater @ 3.45
I completely agree with your sentiments re: Nicola Sturgeon (sometimes called betrayer) and the New SNP.
Sturgeon has spent the last 2 years starving the Independence movement of oxygen and hopes the flame is reduced to a peep. Sturgeon hopes the boat on the rocks in Chris’s toon is called the SS Independence and not ‘irresponsible’.
This march on the 14th is not an endorsement of Sturgeon or the SNP and I will be marching not for them but ‘in spite’ of them. More importantly because I reckon the Covid Queen will be mighty pissed off that we haven’t gone away. She (and the rest of the troughers) needs to be reminded of that fact.
We need the boots on the ground. Please reconsider.
ScotsRenewables
3 years ago
Robert Graham, I know nothing about Hatuey, he or she or they is not my ‘tag team’ partner. They do seem to be one of the very few sane people left posting on here though.
It is you and your fellow tinfoil helmeteers, Saffron Robe, James Che et al, who are the team of morons on here, destroying the credibility of Wings as an ongoing vehicle for independence supporters to meet and chat.
I hope you get the virus and have a really shit time without actually dying. Fuckwits and grippers, all of you.
Robert Graham
3 years ago
Well I guess there is no point in tuning into any News channel today every fkn where you look it’s Engerlund I have heard 1966 mentioned more in the last 49 hrs than I care to remember almost every week , every month since 1966 that’s 55 years oh fkn drivelling English cometary about them winning , and these morons get upset if we don’t support their team .
The face of Susanna Reid ( good morning Britain) while commenting on The Nationals front page on the Andrew Marr show this morning showing full Brave heart support for the Italians was priceless fkn magic she looked as if someone stuck a lemon up her arse ,
The only safe place in the whole of Britain for anyone from Italy today is Scotland I imagine the Pizza places and cafes are getting ready to protect their premises from joyful , happy , destroy everything in sight boozed up Engurland fans our next door neighbours are revolting .
Robert Graham
3 years ago
Renewable
Go fk yerself
McDuff
3 years ago
Wall to wall radio and tv coverage this morning of England’s game today against Italy.
Prince William the Queen and BoJo trilling.
You would think they had beaten Denmark by twenty goals instead of a penalty that wasn’t, a laser beam on the goalie, and a second ball on the field. The refereeing was a disgrace but it’s all empire talk about victory and glory. If they win the team will all get knighthoods and probably VC’s.
But you just know that if it had been Wales or Scotchland in the final they wouldn’t have got a tenth of the media coverage.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Twathater @3.47pm.
You’re welcome.
As for the marches, I think they need to evolve from some sort of happy clappy flag waving tourist attraction, to a more pro-active demo like movement, with placards aimed at calling Sturgeons bluff.
Don’t get me wrong the marches are a sight to behold and show the peoples will for an independent Scotland, but Sturgeon will do her usual and just ignore them or find ways to hinder them.
In the near future if Sturgeon still hasn’t made any progress on the indyfront, (and the appointment of arch unionist Sir Nicolas MacPherson by her seems to show there won’t be any movement) in my opinion (SIM) will need to change tactics.
I’m for demos outside Bute House and Holyrood and small committed groups who can move quickly when they get word of where Sturgeon is attending in Scotland to demonstrate outside the venue. She needs to be put under pressure on the indyfront.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Cherrybank @5.12pm.
I’ll be advising anyone I know to boycott Morrisons, to shop local, in an attempt to help boost the Scottish food sector, and of course their eyes won’t be so dazzled with as many Butchers Aprons.
Hatuey
3 years ago
Breeks @ 6.38 am: “Independentists would condemn the BBC as propagandists…”
That’s right and as you know that it isn’t what the SNP are arguing.
The SNP want the BBC to spend more money in Scotland propping up and supporting Scotland’s Government (the SNP) which in a sense means they are arguing for more of the same… in other words, more pro-SNP propaganda.
That’s what State Broadcasting is expected to do, after all, support the government, and the SNP are demanding that they spend more doing it.
There’s no hint whatsoever that the SNP are concerned about anti-SNP or pro-British bias, because it isn’t a issue for them.
They’re happy with the BBC’s political positioning in Scotland, supporting and protecting Nicola, etc., they just want more of it.
Ruby
3 years ago
ScotsRenewables says:
11 July, 2021 at 9:39 am
Twathater,
Any March for Independence is a demand that the SNP do something. Write your own placard.
Don’t let your wholly justified disgust with the SNP mire you in gloom, get out there and do something.
Reply
That’s very good advice!
ScotsRenewables
3 years ago
Republic of Scotland, agree totally. Regular big marches on Holyrood, demos outside, get the numbers as big as possible. Remember the 3.5% rule.
Smaller flash mobs targeting Sturgeon wherever she appears are also a great idea – let’s hope someone with experience of this tactic picks it up and runs with it. We need an app for this, perhaps?
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Nally Anders @6.58pm.
Nally, interesting link, I’m not well versed in the virulence of Covid strains, however, I think it would be better to err on the side of caution, and Johnson should postpone freedom day for a while at least.
As for Scotland, we don’t control our borders, thanks to not being an independent nation. So come the 19th of July we can expect a flood of English tourists, and of course if the new variants are as virulent as they say they are then Scotland’s NHS could be put under extreme pressure again.
I think the problem overall is the amount of time this pandemic has been going on, in my opinion some folk are fatigued by it, and are now showing signs of apathy, they’ve had enough right or wrong and will flout the rules.
The business community are I’d imagine also at breaking point financially that is, and most probably see freedom day as a chance to start earning again. I think Johnson has decided to put public liberty and commerce at the top of the agenda and to do that he must lift all restrictions surrounding Covid.
Of course the folly of Brexit, and the pandemic has given the UK a double negative whammy.
John Main
3 years ago
Hatuey
You write shite.
I have been on several planes, at the tail end of 2020, and nobody had any idea of who had been vaccinated and who had not.
But everybody was tested, and nobody with a positive test was allowed aboard. All in all, the 7 hours I spent on an intercontinental flight was the safest of all the times I spent in public over the period March – December 2020.
Regarding your repeated claim that Covid is “deadly”, that is shite also. No infection with a fatality rate less than 3% merits that description.
Most people with Covid hardly notice they are ill. Get a grip.
Ruby
3 years ago
Republicofscotland says:
Of course the folly of Brexit, and the pandemic has given the UK a double negative whammy.
Reply
Winning a football will sort everything out!
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Scots Renewables.
Yes, Sturgeon can and has just ignored huge AUOB marches in the past, small fast moving groups with placards waiting for her every time she exits a venue for a prolonged period of time, should get her attention and hopefully remind her why we re-elected her in the first place, and if the media picks up on those demos, then all the better.
Ruby
3 years ago
John Main says:
11 July, 2021 at 10:48 am
Hatuey
You write shite
Reply
I haven’t been following the ‘debate’ on here re Covid for various reason and I was wondering if you could explain to me in simple terms what each side is trying to achieve.
Dan
3 years ago
@ ScotsRenewables
I’d say you are destroying your own credibility by turning up out of the blue again and ranting in a highly insulting manner towards folk that have been continuing to add their views and thoughts btl over a considerable length of time.
There are absolute legitimate grounds to query and discuss how covid is being dealt with.
If it’s a deadly global pandemic than why the fuck is there an international football tournament going ahead with fans traveling all over the place.
Some folk should not get the “vaccines” due to underlying health issues. But what if you have un-diagnosed health issues that would put you in the “should not receive the vaccine” category. You can’t make informed consent without this knowledge.
Are un-diagnosed health conditions the reason why some folk react badly to the vaccine. I know of someone that took ill and had a stroke and heart attack after their second jag.
Was that because they were one of the considerably large group of folk that display no covid symptoms if they have had or get infected because they have some kind of natural immunity, and if they then receive the jags they react badly.
Of course it could be that those that react badly to the jags might also be the ones that would endure the worst of covid symptoms.
At the moment folk just get a letter effectively pressurising them to rock up and get their jags without any real pre health checks, or awareness of what make of “vaccine” they are going to get.
It is not known how long the efficacy of the symptom reducing jags last, or whether they are any use against current variants.
If we are soon to be locked down again for months due to the UK opening up and dropping restrictions, then what’s the point of having a jag now if you’re going to be isolating anyway and by the time we open up again any symptom reducing benefits will have worn off.
I’m not an anti-vaxxer. I am vaccine critical. These discussions require more nuance, don’t fall into a similar modus as used by some trans activists of calling anyone that doesn’t align with their views transphobic.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Ruby @10.59pm.
I think Johnson is banking on the “feel good factor” even if England fails to win tonight. If they do win then the nation of England will bask in the feel good factor, and I see nothing wrong with that, I only wish Scotland could reach a football final other than the Kirin cup which they won.
However I still think Johnson should err on the side of caution and delay freedom day for the time being, surely a victory tonight for England would sustain national pride, and allow the current restrictions to remain for a few more months.
Ruby
3 years ago
Republicofscotland says:
and if the media picks up on those demos, then all the better.
Reply
The problem for the MSM is if they pick up on those demos they risk having their funding cut.
Perhaps we need to consider photo-bombing events in the same way as ‘Manky Shirt’ did with his giant UJ and brexiteers & pro EU supporters did with their flags when politicians were being interviewed outside Westminster.
Ruby
3 years ago
Republicofscotland says:
11 July, 2021 at 11:04 am
Ruby @10.59pm.
I think Johnson is banking on the “feel good factor” even if England fails to win tonight.
Reply
This “feel good factor” because a football team wins a match goes right over my head!
Ruby
3 years ago
Dan says:
If it’s a deadly global pandemic than why the fuck is there an international football tournament going ahead with fans traveling all over the place.
Reply
Good question! That could be down to the ‘feel good factor’. If you are happy you are less stressed and less likely to catch a virus.
When we’re stressed, the immune system’s ability to fight off antigens is reduced.
I suppose if we had unlimited amounts of money absolutely everyone could have a full health check before being vaccinated. I would imagine the football players who had a cardiac arrest during a football match would have had a full health check so being passed as 100% healthy today may not mean you will be tomorrow.
People could do quite a lot for themselves vis a vis health. One important thing they could do is check their blood pressure before going for the vaccine and if it’s high they could consult the doctor.
Would you be able to sum up for me what the debate is about?
Is the question to vaccinate or not to vaccinate?
McDuff
3 years ago
I see both the BBC and ITV are covering the England v Italy game.
Unbelievable.
bipod
3 years ago
Do you need Boris Johnson to tie your shoelaces for you too Chris?
James Che.
3 years ago
Covid and independence link,
For the longest time I have thought Scotland should be independent, a lot of UKs old empire have already taken this path,
And in that mix I am quite happy for Wales, Ireland and England itself to be independent, if I had a business I would be highly aggrieved if someone was running my business from a different country, especially if the other, had no idea how to run it,
The covid connection, at the beginning we all took the covid virus very serious, I had been in hospital having an op at the time the covid news broke, no one was more serious than myself in my weakened state,
For six months I saw no one except my spouse,,
However as time has passed I have seen world sports venues allowed to continue, I have seen umpteen politicians not following these rules, masks not being worn as soon as they thought the cameras were not running, politicians going out for meals, to hairdressers, to meet up with their families, barbecues and G7 meetings and world summits being held across the globe, and tv host going abroad for their hols while preaching covid restriction across airwaves. Bojo in the middle of a Scottish field with a tent and family.
Royalty swanning up to Aberdeen and Edinburgh at pandemic peak, and holidays to balmoral castle, unveiling statues and going to funerals,
Meanwhile we were not allowed to visit dying relatives, have a family together at funerals they died alone.
We were not allowed to barbers or hairdressers, out for meals, we were limited in distance from our homes, had to wear masks, cancer treatments and operations cancelled, and nhs closed, we had to wipe our food, leave letters lying for a few days before opening them.
The hypocrisy between how the politicians , royalty and big media hosts were actually living behind the scenes as the stories began to leak out I, along with many others began to realise that covid was more about control of the working classes rather than politicians and royalty worrying about our health,
So Scottish independence marches were put on hold and cancelled just as they were gaining momentum,
NS has used Covid like Brexit to delay meetings or gatherings of the people, and delay a planning of independence for Scotland,
She has been selective in which marches and gatherings of people were allowed or not allowed under the covid pandemic veil.
She and her team have been selective in who goes and who stays in the snp, and cut of the grass roots movement opinion from the party that once stood for Scottish independence.
I would not be surprised if she tried cancelling any march in August under the covid pretext,
If however it goes ahead and it is the only opportunity that the yes movement has, make the most of it.
perhaps the banners should all read: independence now, SNP out.
Fireproofjim
3 years ago
It didn’t take long for a few obsessive and self-important anti-vaccination posters to destroy this site and turn it from the best Independence supporting site in Scotland to an unreadable list of half truths and complete lies by anti-vax conspiracy believers
Posters whose names never appeared in the past ten years and who appear to have no interest in the reason for Wings existence or in Scotland’s future have suddenly infested the site. Obviously a co-ordinated attack.
Please do come back Stuart and sort them out. Soon.
James Che.
3 years ago
FireproofJim.
Put your tar brush away, a awful lot of the independence movement are still here, their just fed up of being attacked by professional trolls, so do not comment, but watch and read.
Covid is not an issue for only one persons opinion even if it differs from mine, as it is affecting everyone in Scotland too,
And balance that against having the freedom to march for Scottish independence, or not being allowed to march. Covid can be used As a tool by leaders wishing to stop people movement in many ways.
oneliner
3 years ago
My tuppence worth on the Morrison saga.
If my memory serves me correctly, they (Morrison’s) espoused the ‘dearer in Scotland after independence’ script during the Referendum campaign. Indeed, the only one of the ‘big six’ not to scaremonger was Tesco.
When Morrison’s acquired Safeway, their Scottish sales figures dropped. Perhaps people thought that their (then) livery of black, blue and yellow was more suited to an engineering company. When figures rallied, old man Morrison was quoted as saying;
‘I knew the natives would get back in line’.
Still, at least they did not promise an Edinburgh headquarters as Guinness did with Distillers.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
“This “feel good factor” because a football team wins a match goes right over my head!”
Ruby, I’m not really a big football fan though I do like to see the national team do well, I live in hope on that one.
Anyway there are more and more women involved in football, so I think many women will know what the feel good factor with regards to football, and winning feels like.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
McDuff @12.16pm.
I’m surprised that you are surprised, that the final is on both channels, this singular event is a prime example of why we need independence, our broadcasting is controlled by another country, broadcasting will never ever be devolved to Scotland, simply because its a far to great a source of propaganda.
Infact I’m sure Scots living in the Border regions get their tv from Northern England, its a insane situation that most Scots appear to be happy with or are unaware of the situation.
This is just the tip of a huge iceberg, that has seen Scots history literature and culture remain suppressed in favour of our neighbours South of the border.
Saffron Robe
3 years ago
Excellent cartoon Chris, but it should really depict Boris Johnson speeding away in a lifeboat with his Oxford chums clutching the hoard of loot they have made from the pandemic!
James Che.
3 years ago
Trolls are extremely useful tools,
They are excellent guides to how the other half think and how they show them selfs up by calling for mainly independence people to either be removed or how they slag of independence commentators, it sorts out who is who on here by their methods,
I suppose it can be seen as. Sorting the wheat from the chaff phase,
They were here before stu stopped commenting in the droves, they only appear now if.
1) people start discussing ways around the predicament were in.
2) discuss the treaty of the union.
3) discuss covid restriction hypocrisy in politicians,and how it affects freedom and access to marching or rallies.
Management and Control being the background for and of the people in Scotland by trolling and useful idiots in the Snp.
I never request that trolls should be removed, otherwise you end up listening to you’re own voice only and have no idea what those on the other side are planning,
Hatuey for instance gave us some inclination in the future direction government wishes to take us under covid and segregation of the populations between vaccinnated and non vaccinated somewhat akin to how the SS worked under the instructions of hitler.
One to watch out for here in Scotland.
Ruby deletes commenters with ideas or observations that maybe relevant to the yes movement. As Don used to do, some are aggressive some are subtle, but they have been here for a long time.
A bit like politicians, charging on regardless,
Although we could do with a bit of that in amongst the yes movement.
Ron Maclean
3 years ago
A btl comment from a year ago;
“Nicola Sturgeon, as First Minister, might be concentrating on protecting us from Covid19 but she is still the leader of the SNP and she has a leadership team, MPs, MSPs and their hangers-on under her control. What are they doing to bring about the primary aim of the SNP’s constitution? What happened to the person who said ‘Scotland’s voice must be heard’, ‘The SNP is winning the case for independence’ and ‘I think you should always aim for more’.
‘I think you should always aim for more’?
You’ve kept Scotland in the wilderness for seven years. That’s ‘more’ than enough.
Pixywine
3 years ago
If Hatstand wore a Nazi uniform no one would approach him so no worries for his contagion angst. Problem solved Hatstand
There never was a need for lockdowns, distancing, masks, jabs etc. The 4 nations of the UK downgraded Covid 19 from a high consequence infectious disease on the 19th March 2020 because of its ‘low mortality’ rate, and 4 days before they locked you all down for the first time
Whoops forgot to mention the divide method they use,
English hating Scots mantra hooks a few people here for them and football is another method they use to divide the Scots, and covid is a third method.
A forth method is to tell the independence movement that the other half of Scots don’t want independence.
This try divide method has a long history with the good old empire.
I am sure they will try the same methods with other subjects an topics , it’s just a case of being aware of how they work.
But trolls are indeed useful.
Ron Maclean
3 years ago
I’m sorry! I didn’t mean to intrude.
Pixywine
3 years ago
Scots Renewables. The ” virus” was not and is still not a problem for the majority of the population.
Why do you think we should trust Boris Johnson while he is blatsngly stringing everyone along. I’ve noticed the Establishment shills, and that’s what you are, violently refute anything said against Government policies without making much of an argument. Almost as if a raw nerve has been prodded. Prodded does not mean being shagged by a Proddy by the way. Just to be clear for the confused Sturgeonistas waaaay out there.
Hatuey
3 years ago
Dan: “don’t fall into a similar modus as used by some trans activists of calling anyone that doesn’t align with their views transphobic…”
If you look at the underlying fundamentals of the trans-activists argument, you’ll find they have a lot in common with anti-vaxxers — hateful and aggressively intolerant of alternative views, anti-science, self-centred, twisted notions of civil and social rights, totally dismissive of the negative consequences of their actions, etc. I could go on and on.
It’s the age of the self and it’s all about ME ME ME.
You can guarantee anti-vaxxer’s phones are full of selfies too. That’s the sort of people we are dealing with. Their “protests” are about meeting like-minded morons and trying to get laid or something. It’s all crap. I’d be willing to bet most are vaccinated too.
Pixywine
3 years ago
Blatantly stringing everyone along all Governments. Why are so many Independence supporters wearing blinkers when it comes to questioning the one sided one track Media Government narrative on covid nananana19.?
Pixywine
3 years ago
Fireproof Jim is the exempler of a Statist who wishes for the Government to take him in hand and tell him what to do how to do it and when to do it. He requires permission to leave the house. He prefers wrapping a jockstrap round his mouth when buying his National. He sees no problem with Government micro managing and manipulating the. He doesn’t mind the good cop bad cop style of governance we see with Bozo saying one thing while his ministers say the opposite. Perhaps that style of psychological warfare is too sophisticated for Firebrick to understand?
Effigy
3 years ago
Our Father, who ain’t in Wembley
Mancini win this game.
Thy cup will be won in London and soon taken back to Rome.
Remove this crap we daily read and forgive Italian trespasses.
Lead England to underachievement and make them runners up.
In the name of Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the Wee Donkey be the power and the glory and VAR for ever and ever!
Ron Maclean
3 years ago
Drivel count high today. Off to WGD
McDuff
3 years ago
Republicofscotland
Yeah I am surprised because this has never happened before , the two main terrestrial channels showing the same football match at the same time which just happens to involve England. Its an outrage, from the media to supermarkets to business, it’s all England inside Scotland.
Breastplate
3 years ago
Hatuey,
“If you look at the underlying fundamentals of the trans-activists argument, you’ll find they have a lot in common with anti-vaxxers — hateful and aggressively intolerant of alternative views, anti-science, self-centred, twisted notions of civil and social rights, totally dismissive of the negative consequences of their actions, etc. I could go on and on.”
Hatuey,
You have made known your views about segregation between vaccinated and unvaccinated.
I have already asked you to explain what danger unvaccinated people pose to vaccinated people that vaccinated people don’t pose.
You’ve also told me I don’t understand the science behind it but you never seem able to explain your position other than ‘vaccinated good, unvaccinated bad’.
Why can’t you or one of your compatriots answer the simple questions that are being asked of you?
ScotsRenewables, perhaps you can explain why the vaccinated are in danger from the unvaccinated, I would be keen to understand the logic in coming to your decision?
Or anybody else for that matter?
Breeks
3 years ago
McDuff says:
11 July, 2021 at 2:49 pm
Republicofscotland
Yeah I am surprised because this has never happened before , the two main terrestrial channels showing the same football match at the same time…
Both votes England eh? What knucklehead thought that up?
Hugh Jarse
3 years ago
Tight as a badgers RS McColl are closing early, so their staff can “enjoy the occasion, after such a terrible time”!
I’m not risking the radio, a silent day for reflection.
🙂
Hugh Jarse predicts a leathering from the boys in light blue. Defo.
😉
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Not that it will mean that much, but Michael Gove’s Unionist Unit, has until tomorrow night to release its secret unionist polls on Scottish independence.
A tribunal gave the Cabinet twenty-eight days last month to release the polls findings, but to date the department has failed to do so. If they do nothing they could be in contempt of court, they could try and appeal the decision just to extend the time on revealing the results.
Tonight is the Eleventh Night, in Northern Ireland, it will see the UK loyalist set alight to their huge beacons of hate, to remember a religious battle fought over three-hundred years ago.
Feeling could be running high tonight in the Catholic loyalist Tiger’s Bay area, which borders on to a UK loyalist area, as a huge beacon of hate is set to be set ablaze at midnight.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
breeks @3.41pm.
Well spotted Breeks, yes this is the kind of sheer chutzpah from Peter Murrell that makes our blood boil. I don’t think the likes of him or his Betrayer wife have any shame at all.
Did he think he could call for transparency, without taking into account the sheer lack of transparency around the supposedly ringfenced indy fighting funds.
This sentence is from your link, and its very revealing.
“Replacement treasurer Colin Beattie MSP later admitted some Indyref2 cash had been spent on other things, but insisted “amounts equivalent to the sums raised” would be spent on campaigning in future.”
Tom Kane
3 years ago
RepublicofScotland…
God Bless Ireland.
The 12th is a very tough day…
It was my father’s birthday and caused ruin in his life.
Him being a Catholic boy… But he taught me, people above sectarianism.
Another blessing on the fabulous people of Ireland.
People above sectarianism.
Respect.
Confused
3 years ago
alf baird has been doing some essays of late – grousebeater and iain lawson – well worth a read; his perspective/theoretical framework as being “colonisation”, certainly seems correct to me, though it is hard to see ourselves “in that way”. A bitter pill to swallow, but like swallowing “the red pill” in the matrix.
– some light reading, on this day of all days, to keep your hatred pure.
Italy for the win.
Fred
3 years ago
Hatuey says:
“anti-vaxxers — hateful and aggressively intolerant of alternative views, anti-science, self-centred, twisted notions of civil and social rights”.
More than a little unfair – and a complete over-generalisation of how different people are attempting to understand the issue.
The term “anti-vaxxer” in itself is a pejoratively directed misnomer designed to immediately discredit anyone who is remotely hesitant about receiving these products. I’ve personally had vaccines in the past and certainly have no issue with anybody who wishes to take them – particularly if they have immunodeficiency problems.
My issue is with the politicisation, haste and manner with which these particular vaccines are being foisted upon the entire world population.
Being a critical thinking individual i’ve done my own research, and it doesn’t take much to find out that vaccines should go through a stringent set of tests that normally takes years (8-13 years is quite standard).
Clinical trials (testing on humans) normally don’t start until 5 years into the process ( up till then all it’s test tubes and then animals).
Even when the Clinical Trials start (which is the longest part of the development process) it should always start with a small set of humans – and plenty of time is needed in between each administration to test for side effects etc.
With these particular vaccines we’ve skipped the entirety of the scientific method that every other life saving vaccine has had to undergo. That and the fact that governments around the world have given complete indemnity to the vaccine manufacturers – meaning if your loved one dies or is seriously injured you have nowhere to go and no-one to blame.
I just want to break down some of your opinions on people like me.
“hateful and aggressively intolerant of alternative views”
I’m the one OFFERING the alternative view – every mainstream media outlet will give you only one single narrative.
“anti-science”
I’ve just explained the standard scientific method used for testing ALL vaccines (apart from these ones). Again its Governments, Big Pharma and the Media who are condoning anti-scientific methods.
“self-centred”
I’m on record on Wings for stating that in 30 years time our children will resent and hate our generation for what we ushered in and allowed to happen to them – because WE were so self centred, thinking we were all going to die if we didn’t take the untested vaccine.
“twisted notions of civil and social rights”
What could be more twisted or distorted than the idea that people who remain unvaccinated pose a threat to the vaccinated – and that the vaccinated now receive preferential treatment as a result of this notion when it comes to not having to self isolate in certain situations?
We are all being played here. As much as you’d like to think it – you didn’t come up with any of those opinions yourself – it’s what big corporations and government have spoon-fed you and programmed you to utter at every opportunity.
As Mark Twain said “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled”.
Hatuey
3 years ago
“I have already asked you to explain what danger unvaccinated people pose to vaccinated people”
I’ve answered that question several times. Vaccination only provides so much protection, 95% at best. It’s primarily on that basis that we won’t be allowing you to mix and spread the disease, but also to stop you spreading to each other. In the background we are concerned that you’ll put undue pressure on our health system and provide a breeding ground for mutations.
Maybe we can organise leaflets or TV adverts or something… get it into the thick skulls out there. Maybe a cartoon or animation or something will work. Fuck knows. Maybe we could put something on balloons or in happy meals.
Effigy
3 years ago
Watching the men’s Wimbledon Final thinking I’d
be safe from the English Football Tsunami but no.
All Tennis commentators talking about football and
English fans in the Tennis stands with football signs up?
In between sets this gave them a chance broadcast English football
Highlights promoting Gods superior race about to conquer Johnny Foreigner.
James Che.
3 years ago
Fred.
😉
Tom Kane
3 years ago
Breastplate, 3-13pm
Here’s a hypothetical… Though I don’t know if I am a compatriot of Hands…
It let’s say somebody called Jack decided against the vaccination… And, by the way, there are excellent reasons for refusal… Including fear of what damage it would cause him. Jack might have a condition that might be aggravated by the vaccine.
Anyway, let’s say Jack carries Covid delta or lambda or any scary version.
Say I have had the vaccine and Jack comes round to meet the 10 grandchildren. All under 30. And say Jack affects us all. I have symptoms and survive. Seven of my grandchildren get it and two die.
Then Jack, has caused me A lot of damage.
But this is a no-win Zen koan… If he really doesn’t want to have the vaccine, for whatever reason… We need to respect that.
That said, Jack could wreak havoc.
Tom Kane
3 years ago
Sorry … Meant compatriot of Hatuey…
Predictive text woes…
James Che.
3 years ago
So hatuey is saying he could be a carrier of the dreaded lurgie too, just don’t lock him up cos he’s privileged and speaking government talk,
That there is a superior intelligence in following those that take the vaccines that have not undergone full period of trials,
Will this turn out similar to Thalidomide, now known as Contergan. Where we have to wait until the next generation before we see the side effects on our children?
Dan
3 years ago
But what if it’s all just God’s will and he / she / they / it have decided that on performance to date, humans are fuckin arseholes that deserve to die in a skipfire and hellscape of their own making.
Billionaire Branson launches his butt into space whilst folk in first world countries cheer at overpaid arseholes kicking a ball about while their countryfolk still need to use foodbanks…
C’mon the cockroaches!
Dan
3 years ago
Further supporting evidence if it was required that God had maybe put just a little too much faith in humans to do the right thing.
Introduce your young bairns to the rainbow coloured dildo monkey…
Republicofscotland says:
11 July, 2021 at 1:18 pm
“This “feel good factor” because a football team wins a match goes right over my head!”
Ruby, I’m not really a big football fan though I do like to see the national team do well, I live in hope on that one.
Anyway there are more and more women involved in football, so I think many women will know what the feel good factor with regards to football, and winning feels like.
Reply
Good for these women! I really don’t get it!
It all seems over-hyped and nationalistic plus it doesn’t seem very wise to gamble your psychological well being/etc on whether a football team wins or loses.
The down side of the ‘feel good factor’ brought on by your team winning a football match is that it’s at the expense of the losing side who will experience the ‘feel bad factor’
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Breeks @5.56pm.
The story goes that William Wallace who was betrayed by Sir John (de) Menteith was tipped off that Wallace was at Rab Rae’s farm, anyway after his capture Wallace was found to have correspondence on him between him and Robert the Bruce (Good King Robert).
This changed everything in the way that Edward I now saw Robert the Bruce, he now viewed him as an all out enemy, prior to that he forgave him on a number of indiscretions. In a way Wallace’s capture paved the way for Scotland to rid itself of English aggression, via Good King Roberts defence of Scotland.
Saffron Robe
3 years ago
Lockdown suited both Boris Johnson and Nicola Sturgeon to a tee. Boris Johnson because it quelled any public unrest over Brexit, and Nicola Sturgeon because it suppressed any public demonstrations in support of independence. Nothing the ruling class does is for the public good; it is all done in relation to their own interests.
As regards the Covid-19 vaccines and transgenderism they are both driven by Big Pharma. They are not in opposition to each other, but complementary. I actually think, in the fullness of time, it is those who have been vaccinated who will come to be seen as “mutants” and those who have not had the vaccine will be considered normal and healthy.
Although Dan may well be right. Our time as a species could be drawing to a close.
Pixywine
3 years ago
Vaccination provides”95%” protection as opposed to the 98-99% protection natural immunity confers? Hatstand as poor with an abucus as Jaki Bailey.
Ruby
3 years ago
Dan says:
11 July, 2021 at 5:11 pm
Further supporting evidence if it was required that God had maybe put just a little too much faith in humans to do the right thing.
Introduce your young bairns to the rainbow coloured dildo monkey…
Were they trying to introduce children to zoophilia or was it plushophilia.
Pixywine
3 years ago
Hatuey. Who are ” we”?Your Governments have already tried to patronise the hell out of us and you advocate more patronising glass bead offerings for bending over for psycho Gates? You Government types really don’t think much of the public do you? If you’re “vaccinated” surely you’re safe. You’re sounding less like you’ve read an online science paper and more like a dreary repetition of tabloid soundbite penny dreadful headlines.
This site and its denizens is what inspired me to ask questions and even go where lefties fear to tread. That is the Right. I think far too many of us are divided by the Left Right paradigm which at a certain societal economic level does not exist. There are made politicians and there are schmucks like us. I hope the woke don’t accuse me of cultural hutzpah.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Saffron Robe @6.16pm.
Yes Johnson isn’t particularly interested in the well being of ordinary folk. As for Sturgeon she has no real interest in Scottish independence, though she prattles on about it, pre-election time, and whenever she’s unhappy with the Tories at Westminster.
There’s also this misconception with the public that somehow Sturgeon has handled the pandemic better than Johnson, that has seen her popularity ratings remain higher than that of Johnson’s.
Pixywine
3 years ago
If all vaccined men became sterile my little brotwurst will be worth a fortune. I’d best start limbering up. Shame I can’t do Eddie Quist emojies.
Davie Oga
3 years ago
Ron Maclean says:
11 July, 2021 at 2:42 pm
”Drivel count high today. Off to WGD”
Comedy gold
Charles Hodgson
3 years ago
Hatuey says:
“I’ve answered that question several times. Vaccination only provides so much protection, 95% at best. It’s primarily on that basis that we won’t be allowing you to mix and spread the disease, but also to stop you spreading to each other. In the background we are concerned that you’ll put undue pressure on our health system and provide a breeding ground for mutations.”
Hazmat Hatuey is a deluded fool. He thinks he runs the country! Theres a football match at Easter Road next week where they are ludicrously imposing mask wearing on an outdoor event, but they are NOT stupid enough to require proof of vaccination, so up yours Covid Nazi!
Pixywine
3 years ago
Tom Kane. What if you and your family got on a plane and it crashed or a boat that sinks or have a restaurant meal that poisons you? What about Aids, Hep Ghonorea crabs? What if a Comet wipes out Humanity or a herd of Elephants on Princes Street–it has been known you know- or eaten by a bear in Dreghorn woods. That’s Dreghorn in Edinburgh. Hey Tom. It just struck me… what if we, every single one of the Human race dies. Do you think that may happen?
Are you in a Death Cult by any chance?
Ruby
3 years ago
Charles Hodgson says:
11 July, 2021 at 6:49 pm
Theres a football match at Easter Road next week where they are ludicrously imposing mask wearing on an outdoor event, but they are NOT stupid enough to require proof of vaccination, so up yours Covid Nazi!
Reply
Early days!
This week it’s masks next time it could be proof of vaccination.
Why do you think they are insisting on mask wearing?
Davie Oga
3 years ago
Republicofscotland says:
11 July, 2021 at 3:53 pm
”Tonight is the Eleventh Night, in Northern Ireland, it will see the UK loyalist set alight to their huge beacons of hate, to remember a religious battle fought over three-hundred years ago”
I’m trapped in a hotel in Belfast tonight. There’s a tower around the corner from me, many Scots accents about, a lot of drunk folk walking around aimlessly. Definite menace in the air. Took a good picture of one of William’s valiant foot soldiers passed out in the street with pish stained jeans. I was thinking about going to watch the fire and hate for the craic but I’m wearing a green Nike track jacket ( not Celtic), and given the amount of alcohol consumed and the literacy levels of “the people”, I wouldn’t want it mistaken for a Celtic trackie in the dark. Lots of those PSNI armoured Land Rover’s cruising round. Menace in the air for sure.
Effigy
3 years ago
Here are a couple of links to show you the elite race that rules over you!
Tom Kane @ 4:34pm
Yes, that would be a lot of damage as you say.
Now imagine the exact same scenario except this time, vaccinated Jack is visiting with the virus.
My question before was asking what danger do unvaccinated people pose to vaccinated people that vaccinated people don’t pose?
Breastplate
3 years ago
Hugh Jarse,
England have been underperforming for decades and this is their chance to repair that.
Fred
3 years ago
Tom Kane. You raise a question that many people living in fear and condemnation are asking.
It’s good that you ask it -as it’s important for people to understand how they are being misled by government and pharmaceutical sophistry.
As you quite rightly say – it’s completely hypothetical and, as it is hypothetical, yes i will concede that could happen- Jack could inflict serious damage on you and your family.
Now, here’s where people are being misled. Being fully vaccinated does not stop anyone from catching, incubating and transmitting the virus. Any vaccine’s job is just to boost the immune response system and keep you in a healthier and fitter state while your body fights the virus.
Here’s a more likely scenario. Jack phones to say that he won’t be coming round to visit you – he’s feeling unwell and has a bad cough and shortness of breath. He apologises and says he’ll see you and the kids in a couple of weeks time.
You then phone Jill. She’s happy to come round – she’s been double-jabbed and feeling great. You all have a great evening – but the tragedy you’ve described still unfolds.
Turns out that both Jack and Jill had the same variant. Jack, (according to the science) not being vaccinated showed symptoms and made a sensible decision based on that – and didn’t pass it on to anyone.
Jill, being vaccinated (according to science) had no idea she was carrying it and became the unwitting transmitter that still passed it on to you and your family.
Remember, you were quite happy to have Jill come round – you knew she was fully vaccinated and were delighted that you ‘dodged a bullet’ with Jack.
The Deep State are trying to push the idea that somehow the unvaccinated are more of a threat to transmission than the vaccinated. They never actually say it (they are too clever for that) – but it is strongly implied in their actions, particularly when it comes to introducing ‘privileged’ measures for fully vaccinated people who now don’t need to self isolate when returning from certain countries – compared to the ‘unclean’ unvaccinated who need to sit at home for 10 days. There is absolutely no scientific basis for this – it’s punitive and designed to instil hate and fear towards a certain group within our society – and it’s working judging by Hateuy’s posts.
Breastplate
3 years ago
And I’ve just been told they have scored.
As I was saying this is their chance to remedy their lack of success in front of a home crowd.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
Dave Oga @7.21pm.
Dave I suggest you remain indoors tonight, and if you do decide to venture out, whatever you do, don’t mention the name Robert Lundy, or you may wind up as a giant human toasted marshmallow.
Republicofscotland
3 years ago
According to this Panelbase poll, the people of England and Wales say that they oppose Scotland having another indyref.
Absolute “souster” there Chris…look forward to my weekly toon and you never disappoint.
Covid on the rocks?
Let’s be clear, the U.K. having the highest death tally in Europe
is nothing to do with Bojo’s government.
The greatest economic crash in Europe has nothing to do
with Bojo’s government.
The Tsunami of corrupt contracts and bogus job placements are nothing
to do with Boris.
The disastrous Brexit agreement has nothing to do with Boris.
It all down to the voters who can’t see beyond their own eyelids.
Bojo is letting you drive on the road with no winners and no end.
What joy for him as he has fewer pensions to pay, fewer on benefits,
unemployment rising along with the fear of demanding workers rights or wage rises.
More nurses and doctors leaving the NHS through stress so more private Tory owned
medical companies will need to step in and bang it’s all theirs.
Chris,
Your sketches are the only change at the top of the page that Wingers get these days.
So your subject matter is noticed even more than ever.
I don’t get involved in the Covid debate, but I know it is as real hot potato on Wings these days, so it’s tin helmets on and prepare for a right ding dong battle between the so called “Vaccers” and the “Anti-Vaccers”.
Effigy…
and then another dimension of the surreal… Queen Nicola, the high courtiers, princes and princesses of the SNP, the media batallions and the cautious Indie movement all adamant that we need to wait til Britain magically resolves all the Tory catastrophes before Scotland can have a referendum on whether we should make our own way in the world.
That third wave is a wave of tears.
`July 19th` is either going to be a Charge of the Light Brigade moment or a Charge of the Scots Greys moment,
either total carnage,disaster and loss of lives or the major pivot point in overcoming covid and back to normality.
Effigy…..
On deaths per million population UK has 15th worse in Europe and 20th worst in the world. Of course there is a bigger absolute number given larger population but Belgium, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia to name but a few have a greater death toll.
And Scotland fares far worse than many similar sized countries sharing a land order including Denmark, Finland, Sweden (with no lockdown and just guidance to wear masks) or Norway.
Effigy
So how long before the Scottish Government realises and then acknowledges that we’re on the road to Perdition.
The longer they wait the bigger the jump needed to get off before it’s too late. However like so many frogs in a pot they’re too dumb to see the country is, not so slowly, being cooked.
As for covid? Well everybody seems content to have it down-graded to flu+. That’s not an unreasonable situation given the vaccines. However, I think we’re due at least a revision in the technology if we’re to continue with this as the new normal.
It’s a pretty shitty situation for those who the vaccines are not going to make a difference and we still don’t know the long term effects. What happens once you’ve contracted it half a dozen times? Is the damage cumulative?
Maybe, in ten years time, we’ll look back and curse the day Sturgeon took her first breath.
For anyone who wants to ponder the maps of badly UK/Scotland is handling Covid-19 and how the wave is taking off after we did so well…
link to ourworldindata.org
July is the killer month… And it’s about to get much worse
Respect to all colleagues in the NHS who did us such steadfast and humane service so far. Close to home, Lothian… Thank you.You have been incredible … If only government could have supported you more. Closed borders at the time of seeing the delta variant would have been a big help.
What this cartoon tells me is that Stuart Campbell may be finding a new life for himself away from these pages. These SNP 1 and 2 folk have set us all on a road to managed decline within a swamp of vested interests over the next 5-years. If only more had listened to him at the time.
Tom Kane @ 8:51am,
Unfortunately, you are correct.
There are more reasons to support Alba, this is only one of them.
Tom Kane @ 10:05am,
New Zealand closed its borders,
link to theguardian.com
I’m not saying it was right or wrong, however we need to understand that there are consequences for every action.
It amazes me that people believe that interfering with one side of an equation won’t impact on the other.
Newton’s 3rd Law is always in play.
@effigy
When your first sentence is a lie how the hell do you expect to convince anyone?
People like you who cannot even be bothered to get your facts right are after the corrupt liars in the New SNP and the moon howlers the biggest problem the Indy movement has.
Saffron robe,
Breeks.
J,o,e.
I wrote the last piece on previous blog with you comments in mind before I realised the new cartoon was here.
Love the Hokusai-styled wave.
As I said earlier in the week, twice as it happens (being a community spirited type), COVID-19 is now out of control and everyone in the UK is basically going to catch it.
It’s strange that in Scotland (all of a sudden) we are now ahead of England on this, they’re watching us to see how it pans out, where just a few weeks ago we were behind England. The whole world is watching Scotland.
As for the debate, what debate? Covid is real and deadly. Anyone that denies that is certifiable. The vaccine is real too and it offers some protection; we are about to find out how much — at least some of us are, others will simply perish.
We’ve been badly let down by Nicola and Boris. That’s the truth of it. Everything they have done in the last 18 months ranged between utterly incompetent and callous disregard.
If it wasn’t for the idiotic science deniers (stoked by big business through the tabloid media), the death and disruption could have been kept to a minimum, as it was in Australia and elsewhere. We could have created more pressure.
Thanks Boris. Thanks Nicola. Thanks crackpots. Your grandchildren will be proud.
Captain Yossarian says:
10 July, 2021 at 10:24 am
What this cartoon tells me is that Stuart Campbell may be finding a new life for himself away from these pages.
Reply
He did tell us that a good few weeks ago!
He’s not alone in finding a new life away from these pages.
There are only the same handful of people posting here now!
The question is why have people stopped posting?
The posts on the end of the last thread are very unpleasant that could be one reason why people are going elsewhere.
Nice one Chris.
Meanwhile Mike Russell prattles on about the small percentage of folk, some non-resident, in Scotland that own the majority of Scotland’s land.
Russell however conveniently forgets to mention that his party voted with the Tories against Andy Wightman’s amendments to how land is valued in Scotland.
Russell adds that 67% of of the lands of Scotland are owned by just 0.025 of the population, and that the Scottish theatre company 7:48, which produced great productions such as The Cheviot, The Stag and the Black Black Oil, took its name from the figures at the time that 7% of Scotland’s population owned 84% of Scotland’s lands.
The SNP government has done almost nothing on land reform in Scotland, and Russell knows it.
An interesting analysis in The New Statesman –
“The return of the Celts
Why a reawakening of national identities could spell the end of the United Kingdom.”
Here’s a short quote from it:-
“By all reasonable criteria, Scotland should be as rich as Denmark. Instead, like Wales, it is among the poorest regions of Europe. Recovering from decades of institutional dependency on the British Treasury – the glue of England’s empire – will take a long time.
Better together?
link to archive.is
Hatuey says:
10 July, 2021 at 10:52 am
Love the Hokusai-styled wave.
Reply
Clever the way he’s incorporated ‘third wave’ into the drawing of the wave.
What a lot of work goes into Chris’s cartoons!
The wave emoji inspired by Hokusai is one of my favourites.
Breastplate: “It amazes me that people believe that interfering with one side of an equation won’t impact on the other.”
Can you provide a link to examples of such people?
Brian Doonthetoon says:
10 July, 2021 at 11:06 am
An interesting analysis in The New Statesman –
“The return of the Celts
Reply
Thanks for that Brian.
Looks very interesting. I’m off to read it now.
My slant on Covid is not an issue to worry about in Scotland as most people are naturally cautious for there own health and welfare. Most have had a vaccine in stage one or two,
My worry is that NS is using Covid as a tool to rule and to apportion the power of the Scottish people sovereignty that is wrote in the Scotland act and the treaty of the union to the Snp and devolved government sovereignty. Going unnoticed
In Scotland the rules for,
Covid should only be advisory,
Not enforced by police, fines and court cases.
The Scottish government does not hold sovereignty over the Scottish people,
The Scottish people are sovereign in the Scotland act, the declaration of Arbroath the treaty of the union.
New rules for health are by request of the Scottish government and not legal in Scotland by policing.
Ruby, the BBC series ‘A history of the world in 100 objects’ did a really good episode on that painting. I couldn’t believe how much there was to it…
Folk are drifting away from this site because nothing but a weekly cartoon (however well drawn) is ever going to sustain any site. This isn’t a criticism of the Rev Stu, who not only did his shift but an amazing amount of over-time. I suspect – and certainly hope – he will return to the Scottish blogosphere after much-needed R&R.
Meanwhile, being new on the job, I possess a (perhaps naive) belief that it’s vital to draw to the attention of even a tiny fraction of the Scottish population an official report which (masked by deliberately impenetrable language) nonetheless reveals why Holyrood became an Orwellian nightmare and how Big Sister stays in power:
link to jaggy.blog
So the English supermarket chain Morrisons, is shipping in products from England to sell at their stores at a cheaper price than Scottish produce.
The supermarket chain is charging higher prices for Scottish produce, that its currently reducing in range, English based food products are flooding the shelves at a cheaper price, even local milk suppliers in Scotland are being replaced by milk suppliers South of the border.
Union Jackery is in full flow in Scotland my local Sainsbury’s removed the Saltire that once adorned the Sainsbury’s board as you entered the store. Scotland food producers are slowly having their products reduced or overpriced in supermarkets in Scotland with the intentions of seeing food produce South of the border replacing them, add in Brexit and the likes of the rotten Aussie trade deal and I can see Scottish produce taking a nosedive, or become so expensive that it will be priced out of the Scottish food market, to all but those who can afford it.
Morrisons was taken over by a US group this week, for £6.3 billion pounds.
Ruby.
I do not see anything offensive in my last post on previous thread.
As Sturgeon has appointed Sir Nicolas MacPherson to a committee on how to grow the Scottish economy, MacPherson who was the head of the UK Civil service in 2014 during the indyref, and he was meant to be neutral, but he showed George Osborne how to weaponise the currency debate against Scotland.
MacPherson’s memo at the time of the 2014 indyref was published, in which he said, in an extreme case like the Scottish independence referendum which he described as people seeking to destroy the fabric of the state, the usual Civil service neutrality rules don’t apply.
Yet Sturgeon the Betrayer of Scots and EU citizens has employed this guy, as George Kerevan has said there can be no more pretence that Sturgeon has any intentions of holding an indyref or words to that effect.
We should’ve seen this coming when Sturgeon appointed the likes of Benny Higgins on the creation of an investment bank.
Hatuey is fearmongering. Again.
Newly published papers have given hope.
Please watch this short film. It explains why we are perfectly capable of dealing with covid without vaccines. Furthermore, it explains *WHY* the vaccines are dangerous. They are the real danger now.
All the lockdowns, restrictions, ever-changing rules and non-stop propaganda had one aim – to make us fearful, grateful for ‘the jab’. Our bodies have wonderful natural defences against all sorts of bugs and bacteria. Unfortunately, our minds are much more malleable. The lockdowns were the preparation – getting the jags in arms is, literally, the ‘money shot’ for the characters behind this diabolical outrage.
rumble.com/vjktjf-an-urgent-message-from-professor-sucharit-bhakdi.html
Hatuey says:
10 July, 2021 at 11:16 am
Ruby, the BBC series ‘A history of the world in 100 objects’ did a really good episode on that painting. I couldn’t believe how much there was to it…
Reply
I didn’t see that programme due to not watching TV any more.
Sounds very interesting.
In the past the BBC have produced some excellent history of art programmes.
Hatuey,
No, I can’t.
Does that mean such people don’t exist?
James Che. says:
10 July, 2021 at 11:21 am
Ruby.
I do not see anything offensive in my last post on previous thread.
Reply
So?
the farmer hatuey busy planting seeds for dispersal into the wind.
Those days of, “You are a weapon of mass destruction” and once you move slightly you will explode with death volatile particles to kill all your friends and family.
What is the point of having a vaccine if,
1) it gives you no protection.
2) it does not stop you spreading the virus.
3) you still have to self isolate should get the virus after vaccinations.
Ruby.
I don’t quite see how they are offensive in anyway, just the opposite.
The appointment of “Sir” Nicolas MacPherson by M/s Sturgeon is the last straw. Scotland’s chance of regaining its full status has been destroyed. How cleverly it has been done.
She has emasculated the party into accepting whatever she says and does, including the NEC voting for dubious, probably unlawful, selection procedures.
She creates barriers to doing anything for independence, brainwashing the party and public into going along with “after Brexit”, “after Covid”, must be gold standard s30 etc etc etc. All mandates have been left unactioned.
If we rise up and remove Sturgeon the UK can say Scotland is out of control. Oh dear me we will have to run the place. How convenient that we have all those civil servants in the new building in Edinburgh.
I shall write again to my MSP and MP. I shall tell them that the only way we will get independence is for the parliamentary groups to abandon supporting M/s Sturgeon. Either she must be made to resign or they must all move to Alba. These civilised methods are the only ones that I think would avoid the danger of UK taking over.
But I won’t hold my breath waiting to see a miraculous conversion to comprehending the truth.
Two things: 1) Stuart Campbell said that he would reassess things in November. 2) Ruby isn’t here to police these pages.
The Rev. has rightly given up any hope of an indy ref. in this parliament with betrayer Sturgeon in charge and a great deal of us agree with that claim. I think a lot of us are thoroughly scunnered and are just waiting and hoping for a chance to get rid of her and possibly the SNP also if they don’t shape up and grow a pair. I don’t think it would take much for a huge stampede to the ALBA party next election if a ref. is not held before then but looks like we will have to put up with this pretendy independence party for now.
Ruby, it was a radio program, you can get it on podcast along with all the others. I very rarely watch TV myself.
Breastplate: “Does that mean such people don’t exist?”
No, it means your point is unsubstantiated. I prefer substantiated.
I see we have another hilarious video to watch.
Folk are drifting away from this site because nothing but a weekly cartoon (however well drawn) is ever going to sustain any site. This isn’t a criticism of the Rev Stu, who not only did his shift but an amazing amount of over-time. I suspect – and certainly hope – he will return to the Scottish blogosphere after much-needed R&R.
Meanwhile, being new on the job, I possess a (perhaps naive) belief that it’s vital to draw to the attention of even a tiny fraction of the Scottish population an official report which (masked by deliberately impenetrable language) nonetheless reveals why Holyrood became an Orwellian nightmare and how Big Sister stays in power:
link to jaggy.blog
James Che;
1) it gives you no protection.
Then how do you explain the reduction in hospitalisation and morbidity relative to infection rates, and the age-shift in positive cases that shows more younger unvaccinated people catching the disease?
2) it does not stop you spreading the virus.
It isn’t as simplistic and binary as you think. The vaccine will stop some catching it and result in dramatically milder symptoms for most. In both cases you are less likely to spread it.
3) you still have to self isolate should get the virus after vaccinations.
Right now that’s true but it may change. The reason it’s true now is because we still have lots of partially vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the population. As it stands we would be putting them at risk if we didn’t encourage isolation.
In the future we will have different rules and responsibilities for those who are vaccinated and those who aren’t. Actually we can see that system taking shape now — you basically can’t travel abroad unless you prove you have had two doses.
Nicola Sturgeon has announced plans to boost the economy by opening pop-up Covid vaccination centres in Scotland’s major cities. The centres will be based in disused shop premises and customers will be given the opportunity to pick and mix their vaccines of choice, with discounts available on selected ranges, as guidelines for the recommended time between doses are set to be lifted. There will be no age limitations as Ms Sturgeon said this would be discriminatory and simply by setting foot on the premises would imply consent. Safe consumption rooms will be provided at the back of the premises along with an emergency phone line for anyone suffering from adverse effects. Specially trained gender-neutral staff will be on hand to provide assistance, reassurance and biscuits. Ms Sturgeon promised that customers’ personal details would be kept strictly in accordance with data protection laws and used solely for government monitoring purposes. She said she was dismayed that the internal market bill dictated that all vaccines regardless of make or origin would have to be branded with a Union flag, but said the benefits of taking the vaccine far outweigh any doubts she has about the packaging. She said that the contents of the vaccines could not be revealed due to Government-Big Pharma confidentiality but would like to assure everyone that all of the approved vaccines meet the lowest possible safety standards and have been extensively tested on bats. Ms Sturgeon said the government would not be promoting any one particular vaccine over another as it was purely a matter of personal choice, but guaranteed that all customers will be given a special rainbow badge which glows in the dark as a sign that they have surrendered all their critical faculties to the government.
Folk are drifting away from this site because a weekly cartoon (however well drawn) is never going to sustain any site. This isn’t a criticism of the Rev Stu, who not only did his shift but an amazing amount of over-time. I suspect – and certainly hope – he will return to the Scottish blogosphere after much-needed R&R.
Meanwhile, being new on the job, I possess a (perhaps naive) belief that it’s vital to draw to the attention of even a tiny fraction of the Scottish population an official report which (masked by deliberately impenetrable language) nonetheless reveals why Holyrood became an Orwellian nightmare and how Big Sister stays in power:
link to jaggy.blog
Republic of Scotland Morrisons was not taken over by US group.The shareholders will eventually vote on proposed bids by US consortiums.
JFM@12-15
We don’t have enough time to wait for the next election. Either by accident or design the Scottish Parliament is starting to look juvenile… results in transportation, education, police scotland, copfs, illegal proceedings and lawyers supporting civil servants and non-politicians to protect the SNP leadership… we don’t have the luxury of a long wait.
breatplate@10:38
I am a fan of equations… the balancing of two perspectives on the same truth… So… no quarrel there.
But as far as epidemilology goes, there are more than two sides that need to be balanced in pursuing public good in times of a pandemic that is raging and evolving both in viral infectivity (ease of transmission) and vector potency (the hit when it arrives on someone). This version of covid is young, vigoprous and growing arms and legs.
Us, in the northern hemisphere, controlling delta variants and newer emergents is a totally different problem to the one in NZ and Oz. They have protected lives first… which is one approach. We are stuck on a train where whatever is going on in the evolving world of covid variants is coming through our carriage and we only have limited resources for dealing with what’s already going on.
Lothian, Grampian, and others having to close down surgeries because of the stress on the system at present. We need proper walls in place and a strategy ready to go in order to protect our NHS workers and our citizenry. The Guardian article is looking at a smaller issue with a big magnifying glass.
@ Saffron Robe: thank you for trying to lift the mood with this spoof but it is too close to reality. “..a rainbow badge which glows in the dark as a sign that they have surrendered all their critical faculties to the government”.
From the economist who says Scotland should use its own pound as currency, his thoughts on a Green Central Bank, worth 15 minutes of your time.
Your essential weekend reading:
‘Aiming For a Green Bank’: link to wp.me
O/T @ Grouse Beater: I read your twitter several times a day as a reliable source of the latest thinking on independence [and for the wildlife and garden, of course!]. Thank you. [I have to thank you here as I am not on twitter.]
Anybody asked Alexa ‘is football coming home?’
Just asking…
Tom Kane,
I think you miss my point.
You mention the actions we must take regarding Covid because of the present problems we have, surely you must acknowledge that the present problems we have are because of the actions we have taken, no?
Again, if you believe like Hatuey that the lockdown and restrictions were and are necessary and have weighed the pros and cons, tell me the pros and cons of lockdown and restrictions.
I’ve made my views known regarding lockdown and why I don’t believe it was the best way forward because I didn’t believe that just a measurement of deaths was sufficient to make informed decisions regarding wider and future and present societal problems.
So, if you and Hatuey have weighed up the pros and cons like Hatuey has suggested, let’s hear them.
Tom,
I hasten to add that I’m not saying you are wrong, just that I have a different perspective.
Cherrybank.
According to this they have accepted a bid.
“Morrisons – the supermarket chain that this week accepted a £6.3 billion takeover bid by a US group.”
link to thenational.scot
Anyway, I see your concern lies with that, and not the supplanting of Scottish food produce.
Hatuey,
This is how the reduction is explained.
Google
1) Plos One, Mortality Attribute to influenza in England and Wales during 2009 pandemic.
And
Epidemiology and infection Lessons from 40 years surveillance of influenza in England and Wales.
Influenza deaths in England and Wales.
Viruses Due to natural causes have a natural life existence for the populations in general in amongst different age groups .
The graphs and deaths amongst the populations from influenza on these dates will verify not only that viruses kill people but that governments in uk had discussed closing down schools previously. And that it is impossible to prevent new viruses without the human body becoming full of toxic vaccinated chemicals that the average person would object to if they were told these chemicals had been spread on their food before being boxed or canned.
2) The fact that a fully vaccinated person is [not guaranteed] as not able to spread the virus in amongst the rest of us, is not a guarantee at all.
3) The discrimination of the Human race between vaccinated persons rights and non vaccinated persons is nazi like in its creation where parts of society has a pass to live life freely, while others are segregated.
4) For those like myself and cancer patients whom may be more at risk taking the vaccine rather than not taking it poses questions to the vaccinated roaming freely possible still spreading covid virus. Should the vaccinated still be in lockdown?
5) At this moment in time the UK government. And the Scottish government are breaking the law on human rights under Ageism by locking up the people over a certain age especially in care homes without [ their] consent or the consent of their children and families. This is also discrimination.
6) Withdrawal of family contact and stimulation is also breaking the law as in the treaty of the union under private rights, and under human rights, (google) citizens advice on legalities .
7) And an important one that you may wish to ignore or scoff at in a derogatory manner as it may not suit you’re own perception of sovereignty, but that is a legal position in Scotland, and sovereignty of a persons body, and freedoms would be going against human rights, The Scotland Act, private right ( Treaty of the Union) , the UNs right to self determination, of a people to chose their own ( future) and their country.
I am sure I could research some other legalities that may be an offence for the uk and the Scottish government to impose even under the health act, as this is not an article mentioned by England or Scotland as specific in the 1707 treaty of the union.
As child poverty in the UK reaches epidemic proportions, the High court in England has rejected a challenge over the Tory governments two-child limit for welfare payments.
The ruling restricts Child Tax Credits and Universal Credit to the first two children in a family.
The soon to be ermine vermin Ruth Davidson is an avid fan of the Rape Clause, in which if a woman is raped, and she conceives a child, she must then go through a strict Q&A session to qualify for the above benefits for a third child.
Republic of Scotland you should not believe anything you read in the newspapers.My principal concern is to correct nonsense.I remain a shareholder of Morrisons and will vote on the proposals.
(SIM) Scottish Independence Movement, are organising a indy march that will hopefully take place on the 14th of August, the assembly point is in Kelvingrove park Glasgow at 11.55am, it will march to Glasgow Green.
Fair enough.
Tell me Cherrybank, since you profess to be in the know, will the bid succeed?
Re my 2pm comment to Cherrybank.
“Under the terms of the Fortress-led deal, Morrisons shareholders will receive 254p a share, comprising 252p in cash and a 2p cash dividend. That is a 4% premium to the 243p Morrisons share price closed at on Friday but a premium of 42% to its closing share price of 178p on 18 June – the last business day before CD&R’s proposal.”
“Andrew Higginson, the chair of Morrisons, said: “The Morrisons directors believe that the offer represents a fair and recommendable price for shareholders which recognises Morrisons’ future prospects.”
Sounds like the deal will go through, I bet with Cherrybanks interest in it, that they have quite a few share.
ROS
Thanks for the heads up re: the ‘march’.
Cheered me up no end.
Great Toon Chris, yes we are all about to be swamped.
Rogueslr says:
10 July, 2021 at 1:28 pm
Anybody asked Alexa ‘is football coming home?’
Just asking…
Reply
Google Home answers
Well, football is shaped like a globe so I would say the whole world is the home of football!
Hatuey @ 12:36pm,
“ 2) it does not stop you spreading the virus.
It isn’t as simplistic and binary as you think. The vaccine will stop some catching it and result in dramatically milder symptoms for most. In both cases you are less likely to spread it.”
Sorry Hatuey,
The vaccine does not endow you with an invisible barrier that the virus can’t cross. You will still catch the virus, your immune system will deal with it but meantime you will still be able to pass it on.
Hatuey,
Before you get back to me, I’m just stating the obvious, I’m not commenting on how more or less a vaccinated person, an unvaccinated person who hasn’t had Covid yet or an unvaccinated person who has had Covid and has antibodies is likely to pass on the virus.
Another excellent piece of work.
Thank you Chris for keeping the Indy flame alive during this dark, ‘Sturgeon Cult’ period.
She and her now invisible husband can’t hold onto power forever.
We shall overcome one day.
Rob Brown says:
10 July, 2021 at 12:39 pm
Folk are drifting away from this site because a weekly cartoon (however well drawn) is never going to sustain any site
Reply
There is more than just a weekly cartoon posted on this site.
Any reason why Wings posters cannot sustain peoples interest?
For example posting interesting links like you have done.
James Che. says:
10 July, 2021 at 12:08 pm
Ruby.
I don’t quite see how they are offensive in anyway, just the opposite.
Reply
Who said they were?
Captain Yossarian says:
10 July, 2021 at 12:12 pm
2) Ruby isn’t here to police these pages.
Reply
That’s lucky for you ‘Yossa’ otherwise you would have been banned long ago, probably after your 500th post about the ‘sinking school’
Where’s Mia?
Why isn’t she posting anymore?
Breastplate, 1:32
I don’t think there’s much between us on trying to do the right thing. It’s just that the difficult medical approach of isolation has to be on the table and available for use under the right circumstances.
There were two places where a Scottish national strategy would have helped … One in closing down when the Kent variation appeared, and the other, when the Indian variant appeared. Not to solve the problems, but to give our NHS a chance at coping with the consequences, pursuing mitigation strategies and even finding solutions without being up to the neck treating live cases.
I respect your perspective, though, Breastplate.
It’s good to talk.
Ruby – folk are getting tired of your mind-numbing skitter. Why don’t you just switch the computer off and go for a walk. This site will get-on fine without you.
Hatuey says:
10 July, 2021 at 12:17 pm
Ruby, it was a radio program, you can get it on podcast along with all the others. I very rarely watch TV myself.
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Thanks Hatuey I found it.
Here’s a link for anyone else who might be interested.
link to podcasts.apple.com
Captain Yossarian says:
10 July, 2021 at 2:49 pm
Ruby – folk are getting tired of your mind-numbing skitter. Why don’t you just switch the computer off and go for a walk. This site will get-on fine without you.
Reply
Wow!
Captain Yossarian showing his true colours!
PS Captain Yossarian
This site is not getting on fine or haven’t you noticed?
link to mobile.twitter.com
Won’t lift your spirits much, but some I hope. Scotland’s new Gauleiter Mark McInnes of Kilwinning, was apparently Jim Murphy’s chum behind the mighty Better Together Campaign. See? Told you you’d feel better. 😉
Here was me worrying they’d appoint somebody streetwise and on the ball. Of course, maybe McInnes is just the decoy, and the real anti-Independence drive remains discreetly ensconced in Bute House. Who can say?
@ Breeks
At this stage I wouldn’t be surprised if the Scottish
GovernmentAdministrators of Devolved Powers appoint a certain Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor to produce policy on whether Scotland should move to being a republic or retain the monarchy…Latest stats for this week from Australia:
Dead with COVID so far: 910
Dead after injections so far: 355
There is an insane line of argument going on in this country along the lines that the injection has a smaller probability of harming or killing you than the relatively unlikely to harm or kill you virus it may or may not actually prevent you from being harmed or killed by.
Anything that needs 24/7 PR, expert trolls, threats and lollies to try to coerce the public into, is probably best avoided by a country mile.
Everyone is free to decide for themselves, but nobody has any right to dictate to the rest of us that we must be injected with anything.
@AndrewF –
Hear hear.
The architects of this madness are becoming visibly frustrated that people are exhibiting such stubborn ‘hesitancy’.
You mentioned Australia. According to UK Column this week, the uptake across the whole of Australia has been around 5%. That’s perhaps why characters like Fauci are now becoming very ill-tempered and edging ever-closer to warning of punishment for those who don’t comply. Biden himself warned that they will be going ‘door-to-door’ in order to persuade the unwilling.
But our main enemy isn’t a cabal of sociopaths. The ones to watch are Hatuey and his ilk – anonymised, cowardly fascists who have plans for everyone and are salivating at the prospect of wielding real power. He has, in this place, openly called for ‘anti-vaxxers’ to be denied the right to work, travel, or have a social life. And he’s not joking.
No Euro’s special Stu?
Fabulous scribbling as usual CC.
No love lost on those rocks.
Republic of Scotland.Morrisons is currently trading at 264.90,so the Stock Exchange expects further bids.Morisons is a well run company that tries to do the right thing by its various stakehplders. I am opposed to American hedge funds ruining British firms.I would vote against a hedge fund takeover but it would be very likely to succeed.
Ian brotherhood.
Indeed his glee in rhetoric of forced control regards covid is a reminder of World War Two behaviour,
As a non Jew it scares the heebee jeebies out of me, even the possible forthcoming passport to dictate of whom will be allowed freedom, travel of movement and who will under lock an key,
Are we to be branded or have arm tattoos, perhaps all the non vaccinated will be moved together like scum, having unequal rights to those whom consider themselves a superior vaccinated race.
Ruby.
Re you’re comments,
10 July 2021, 10:53am.
Your comment:The posts of the last thread are very unpleasant that could be one of the reasons why people are going elsewhere.
I just wished to make the point that you are tarring an awful lot of people with the same brush indiscriminately.
Andrew F, your data is deliberately misleading. You’re suggesting the vaccine killed those people. We’ve seen this hypocrisy before on here…
Before there was a vaccine you argued that many who died were misdiagnosed as covid deaths. You possible can’t see that you’re doing that very same thing now, attributing all deaths amongst the vaccinated to the vaccine.
You then say “nobody has any right to dictate to the rest of us that we must be injected with anything”, which is true. And nobody is doing it.
But just as it’s your right to reject the vaccine, others have the right to stop unvaccinated people boarding planes, entering shops and bars, eating in restaurants, etc. People are already exercising those rights, just as people are exercising their right not to be vaccinated.
For my part, I wouldn’t go on a plane that allowed unvaccinated people on it. I wouldn’t eat in a restaurant next to an unvaccinated person. You get the idea.
Companies that pander to the unvaccinated will be boycotted and they’ll soon change their policies. Again, it’s my right to do that.
These rights are complicated, aren’t they?
Hatuey. Been as you never responded to my comments at 1 46pm today,
Perhaps you will to the more recent one at 5: 38 pm, today as this has some parallels to how you are coming across to people, you are beginning to sound like the SS in nazi Germany.
Yes, swap “unvaccinated people” for “Jewish people” in Hatuey’s comment above and the picture becomes clear.
Ruby appears to have gone to her bed and thank Heavens for that.
That wee ferry looks an awful lot like these two partially built ferries tied up at Port Glasgow just now.
The last I heard a new Royal Yacht was likely to cost £200m. These two wee ferries could cost £300m.
Breastplate, it’s clear to me that you don’t understand the dynamics of viral infections, how the immune system neutralises them, the difference between the virus (SARS-CoV-2) and the disease it causes (COVID-19), and how infections spread.
If you’re comfortable discussing immunoglobulins and the basic mechanics of the 5 antibody types that regulate our immune response (IgG, IgM, IgA, IgD, IgE), it would take about 3 seconds to dismiss what you’re saying as junk, but I’m not willing to explain it to you first.
The vaccine does, as a matter of scientific fact, stop some people from developing the disease. That’s what antibodies do, providing there’s enough of them.
Incidentally, Ian Brotherhood posted a link earlier to a Chinese guy who went a long way towards explaining how the immune systems works. I’d recommend watching it.
If you’re arguing that vaccinated people can still spread the virus, of course they can. In theory so could bumble bees or brass ornamental Eiffel Towers.
Andrew F says:
10 July, 2021 at 4:35 pm
Latest stats for this week from Australia:
Dead with COVID so far: 910
Dead after injections so far: 355
Anything that needs 24/7 PR, expert trolls, threats and lollies to try to coerce the public into, is probably best avoided by a country mile.
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Well if they offer me a double raspberry magnum I’m defo going for ma booster in winter. Stuff you.
Captain Yossarian says:
10 July, 2021 at 6:20 pm
Ruby appears to have gone to her bed and thank Heavens for that.
That wee ferry looks an awful lot like these two partially built ferries tied up at Port Glasgow just now.
The last I heard a new Royal Yacht was likely to cost £200m. These two wee ferries could cost £300m.
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And how many of us are likely to be on the Royal Yacht at a cost of £200m then Einstein ?
Back to your never ending 2sinking school that never sinks”.
Aye well the fraud continues unabated , a year and a half of daily brainwashing every hour of the day every Radio Station every TV News channel it’s Covid Covid Covid get jabbed to protect everyone else it’s your moral duty to get injected and unless you do it voluntarily we your government will make it impossible for you to live a normal life so you better comply .
Some facts missing from this propaganda and very relevant facts.
This Chemical is not a cure even this Government won’t go that far it’s all just implied
This Chemical won’t stop you being infected
This Chemical won’t stop you infecting others
All this propaganda is meant to ensure compliance and make sure the ones who have been obedient and are following Government orders turn on the people who are very sceptical of what’s going on it’s not Advice it’s Government orders , mandatory has replaced Compulsory I expect its to make it sound nicer .
Even after the majority of the people in this country have been jabbed nothing has changed most free thinking people realise something is not right , after listening to Experts for a year and a half I have come to the conclusion they don’t know so they just waffle on and hope people don’t notice
I believe In short they haven’t a fkn clue so the story changes when the wonder Chemical is shown to cause yet another unfortunate Side effect that was missed during the intensive testing that was carried out at breakneck speed , sooner or later someone will discover Time can’t be compressed however cleverly the results are manipulated and tweaked to make them more palatable .
More people have died of the Flu and Smoking than this plague and without the hysterical response that has a lot of people scared shitless .
Robbo – and how many of us are likely to be on these two ferries?
James Che. says:
10 July, 2021 at 5:52 pm
Ruby.
Re you’re comments,
10 July 2021, 10:53am.
Your comment:The posts of the last thread are very unpleasant that could be one of the reasons why people are going elsewhere.
I just wished to make the point that you are tarring an awful lot of people with the same brush indiscriminately.
Reply
I get the impression that you are just looking for a fight with me and I wonder why?
I did not say:
“The posts of the last thread are very unpleasant”
I said:
“The posts on the end of the last thread are very unpleasant that could be one reason why people are going elsewhere.”
I will accept that I should have stated exactly what I meant by the end of the thread but I thought posters would have been able to figure it out especially those who were posting around midnight.
Captain Yossarian says:
10 July, 2021 at 6:20 pm
Ruby appears to have gone to her bed and thank Heavens for that.
Reply
What’s you problem with me Yossa?
Saffron Robe says:
10 July, 2021 at 6:20 pm
Yes, swap “unvaccinated people” for “Jewish people” in Hatuey’s comment above and the picture becomes clear.
Reply
Are you an ordained Buddhist monk?
Just wondering why you use the moniker ‘Saffron Robe’
Hi Chris,
You could’ve stuck a wee Mt. Fuji in the background…
James Che. says:
10 July, 2021 at 6:02 pm
Hatuey. Been as you never responded to my comments at 1 46pm today,
Perhaps you will to the more recent one at 5: 38 pm, today as this has some parallels to how you are coming across to people, you are beginning to sound like the SS in nazi Germany.
Reply
Since you were keen to know what I found unpleasant about your posts I can tell you that I find claiming another poster sounds “like the SS in nazi Germany’ very unpleasant.
There is no “Delta Variant” Its pure propaganda. When are fools going to wake up? Does Denison Barracks operate as a 24 hour whore house?
Ruby. The SS were good at their job. Hatuey less so.
You’ve got to read this article. An absolute better demolishing Boris and the new strategy of herd immunity.
Says it all.
link to eand.co
Should read ‘belter’.
Sarah at 1.13pm
Many thanks, Sarah, for linking into the news facility.
Robbo. Good luck and enjoy your double raspberry magnum as if it is your last.
robbo says:
Back to your never ending 2sinking school that never sinks”.
Reply
Yossa’ll be hoping you go to bed and stay there. 🙂
Morrison’s like so many U.K. business’ have been sold off to foreign investors.
Many countries put limits on foreign acquisition but everything U.K. is for sale.
The one good point perhaps is their American owners may remove the Butchers Apron flag
from their goods?
You may find the Star Spangled banner on the post Brexit deal Steroid Beef and Chlorinated Chicken?
Land of the Fee, Home of the Slave!
I watched the England vs Germany World Cup Final live in 1966. And have never watched it since until now. What surprised me just now was the poor standard of football. Its on tv at the moment. Football has definitely progressed, neither of these sides would win anything presently. On tomorrow’s game one member of my family married an English man namely my daughter. One of my grandchildren is half Scottish and half English. I will be supporting England. I thought the National front page was disgraceful. We will never win Independence on the ticket of hatred. We should be better than that.
Only 5% “vaccine” take up in Australia? No wonder the Government and police over there are being so Fascistic. Do the lockdown vaccine queen’s on here want to see policemen beating up 12 year old girls because they don’t have a mask in the street? For Christ’s sake you Fascists snap out of your power trip over a virus with a 98% survival rate. Stop your Fascism now before it ends tragically.
The ‘Chinese guy’ Hatuey refers to in his 6.21 comment is Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi. He is not Chinese.
Here is a potted CV. (Please note that it is not from Wikipedia, which has, of course, decided to trash his reputation.)
Hatstand. You’re bluffing. You know how to use Google just like Xracen but you are not a virologist. You are not a doctor and you are not an epidemiologist. You’re a Government Troll. You’re fooling no one.
Nally@6:58
Scary biscuits, Nally. There is a nasty hidden agenda being unleashed… This is “Labour isn’t working” for the 21st century.
They plan to destroy the NHS by stressing it out and implicating the general population at the same time.
I’m certain the readership of this site are nowhere near as stoooopid as Hatstand as he desperately appeals to power.
If people wish to trust self interested politicians ie Hancock then go get your jabs but fuck off and leave those of us who choose not to be jabbed, in peace. Don’t descriminate against us because we refuse to follow the sheep. I promise you given that everything about the past year and a half of politics rings all my alarm bells, I’ll take a shot through the neck before I take the scum bastard Governments snake oil. Fuck Bozo and fuck back off to Hell Sturgeon.
A lot of doctors and nurses are having to quarantine when the track and surveillance system pings their phone so, many of them are switching their t and t apps off because they are not sick or infectious. Some fucking cunts Blair Johnson the banks etc are making money out of this mad covid shit. The reason some Scots wear kilts is because they have nothing left to lose to the cold.
Hatuey,
You said initially that the vaccine will stop some people catching the virus.
This is still incorrect.
You have now changed this to the vaccine will stop some people developing the disease.
This is correct.
Also Hatuey, you still haven’t explained why vaccinated people are in danger from unvaccinated people.
What terrible affliction can be visited upon them that can’t be conveyed by a vaccinated person?
Please use all your knowledge of science to educate us.
Is everyone in the UK a fan of football except me?
I know next to nothing about the sport except that footballers earn a shit load of money & there is often trouble after football matches.
I can’t really see why fans are so happy/sad/proud when their team wins or loses. It’s not as if they are the ones who do all the training and are on the pitch kicking the ball around.
Sure they are in the stands singing & shouting but that is just a very minor role. Nothing to be proud about.
I phoned Kwik-Fit the other day to book a MOT the calls were being answered by a call centre in England (due to numerous local Kwik-Fit branches being closed due to Covid) the guy who answered the phone told me he was really happy due to football results and he reckoned a win for England would give the whole country a huge boost.
I found that amazing! Great if the results of a football can do that but worried about what will happen if England lose!
Will people sink into a depression?
The football conversation came about because the ‘KwikFit’ guy asked me how I was and I asked him in return how he was. 🙁
If I were forced, really forced at gunpoint to pick between Italy & England I would choose Italy principally because I like my local chippie, I went to Italy on honeymoon & because ‘Sinister Dave’ is a ****!
As I understand it, if you’re vaccinated, you can still be carrying the virus on your breath or hands.
The virus doesn’t affect you (or minimum affect) but you can transmit the virus to others by skin-to-skin contact or breathing on them.
SHAZBOT!
Should be (or minimum effect).
Ian Brotherhood says:
‘All the lockdowns, restrictions, ever-changing rules and non-stop propaganda had one aim – to make us fearful, grateful for ‘the jab’.’
This is now becoming so bloody obvious to anyone with a functioning brain cell or two, because, if lockdowns worked why are we still doing them?
And, if lockdowns DON’T work, why are we still doing them?
Looks like the astute class nuclear sub that ran aground on Skye.
Or is it the destroyers with broken engines all washed up on the rocks.
Or more recently is it the HMS Defender being chased out of Russian waters.
Whatever was in your mind Chris the toon reminds you of the busted flush that is the Royal navy.
@Aunty Flo (8.41) –
‘if lockdowns DON’T work, why are we still doing them?’
It’s alarming that more aren’t asking that same question. But the impending assault on our children will surely force a lot of folk to wake up.
Ian Brotherhood at 9.04 pm:
‘.. the impending assault on our children will surely force a lot of folk to wake up.’
Let’s hope and pray that is the case, Ian, because if they don’t, we, and future generations, are well and truly farked.
#Ian Brotherhood 9:04pm
You are late to the game on the assualt to our children. I remember having to expend lot’s of resource on defeating Named Person. I refer you to the Supreme Court judgment.
Just spotted the flag & the banana boats!
I was down in gourock today, and I can report that the ferries are running just fine, nobody is going without a ferry service
The ferries in Port Glasgow will get finished and be added to the services and the older ferries will probably be sold off to somewhere that needs them
All ships have a certain amount of life in them, but sometimes better and more up to date vessels are required and the older one’s can be overhauled and spend many more years in useful service, the weather in scotland takes its toll on a lot of things, even my brollies don’t last forever.
We do not have a virus, what we have is a biological weapon that’s going to kill.
I have had all vaccines up until this one.
@Tannadice Boy –
Better late than never, eh?
😉
This is a strange one !
I got a letter in from the health service, seems I have a phone consultation on the 8th of August from them.
I have enquired about getting my feet done, when I phoned them a young whippersnapper answered the phone, I said I need my feet done, and she said, all the people who work on feet are injecting people with the covid vaccine, so there is no feet getting done.
I said, what is the point of me having a phone consultation if their is no service, she said, would you like another appointment time, and I said, what is the point of me changing it.
She must have been awfully busy doing nothing, I suppose she is very busy doing nothing all day, she put the phone down on me and I had to phone back and avery nice young chap answered my call, but that was two phone calls that cost me money to enquire about a service that’s not there
Isn’t life wonderful just now, thank goodness at least I
don’t have a little problem like cancer to bother them with
@ian Brotherhood 9:04pm
My previous comment has been withheld. Pity it sums up our dilemma.
Hatuey
“For my part, I wouldn’t go on a plane that allowed unvaccinated people on it. I wouldn’t eat in a restaurant next to an unvaccinated person. You get the idea.”
As someone who won’t take the jab, and who has flied regularly throughout the pandemic, I would like to say thank you for that.
Ruby I don’t mind if you’re references were about me all, in fact I was feeling a bit left out by you as a target. I might not have been the first here on you list, but Thank you for getting around to and for the the attention. 🙂
@Davie Oga (10.19) –
You’ve nailed Hatuey’s real problem here…
He’s been asked, repeatedly, how he’ll ever be satisfied that the beastly non-vaxxed are identifiable in everyday life.
He won’t answer because he knows it means advocating some form of visual identification. The track & trace systems don’t work. What Hatuey wants is something easily visible, striking, even from a distance, so that he can take evasive action or call for the authorities to deal with the miscreant.
‘Yellow Star’ is too loaded, obvious. But he needs something similarly stark.
And if such a thing can be approved? He’ll champion it, big-time.
Think Donald Sutherland, at the very end of Invasion of the Body snatchers, fingering anyone who caught his attention. That’s oor Hatuey, in his element, all his dreams fulfilled…
There are a awful lot of wisdom growing here that will bode well for our future,
Hatuey says: at 5:53 pm
“For my part, I wouldn’t go on a plane that allowed unvaccinated people on it. I wouldn’t eat in a restaurant next to an unvaccinated person.”
If risk reduction is your game then would you stroke or extend a finger to formally greet an unvaccinated pussy?
If animals can act as fomites then should they also require vaccination? Dugs socialise by sniffing eachother’s butts and noses, and cats get up to all sorts like visiting potentially unvaccinated neighbours for extra scran and cuddles.
Wings over Scotland the last bastion of free speech for the time being. Where are we going to get that in the future. A story to end my contribution. An advanced pregnancy.
Of 5 months gone wrong
Ambulance 40 minutes late. Explanation? There was none.
That was 30 plus years ago. I look at my wife now and have total admiration for her. She is doing a great job with the grandchildren. A lost Scotland a lost opportunity
Pixywine.
I had also read that about the apps and doctors and nurses,
I have direct knowledge that a care worker I know was being intimidated into taking the covid jab, or lose their employment, they asked me what to do,
So did a bit of research for them and gave them the legal jargon I provided for hatuey,
( see hatuey, it was not new news to me that employers might try blackmail) They took it into their meeting with them, as well as stating it was the care workers beliefs,
They company had not been prepared for a legal barrage and backed of.
That was a while ago and still they still have their job.
Sometimes with a bit of legal knowledge and help from each other we can defeat bullies.
Dave Caledonia.
That scenario is happening in our surgery too,
I thought that perhaps our surgery was individually disfunctional under covid, interesting to hear of another,
@Dan (11.13) –
That’s an excellent and practical suggestion!
Hatuey could get a dog trained to alert him to the approach of the non-vaccinated, and take it about him everywhere he goes (with an extendable lead, obviously).
Mind you, knowing Hatuey as we do, the temptation would be too great – he’d get a big mastiff or suchlike and train it to tae savage them unto death.
Lol @ “He’s been asked, repeatedly, how he’ll ever be satisfied that the beastly non-vaxxed are identifiable in everyday life.”
Literally, I’ve never been asked once. But it’s a stupid question and a stupid person who would ask it.
Nobody is going to ask you to prove you’re unvaccinated — nobody really cares. You simply won’t be allowed to take part or given access to certain facilities if you can’t prove you have been fully vaccinated.
The airlines are already doing this because people in other countries, who also have rights, are insisting on it. You simply need a letter from the NHS.
I keep thinking about that wave in the cartoon, though. It’s huge. Hancock’s departure looks suspiciously timely.
If the vaccines don’t work, we are in big trouble. All of us.
link to archive.is
A tad OTT!
@Hatuey –
I asked you, more than once, right here. You really want me to scroll back through every post for the past year?
‘If the vaccines don’t work, we are in big trouble. All of us.’
There’s no ‘if’ about it.
How much longer are you going to rail against the inevitable?
The game’s up sah!
Dr Bhakdi’s latest report. link to doctors4covidethics.org
The UK government is currently breaching the Nuremberg Code (link to cirp.org)
by causing people to become subjects in an experiment without their informed consent and by authorising the experiment on people without the full completion of trials on animals (see paragraph 3 “the experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation”). link to cirp.org
Why the rush to fast track experimental gene therapy technology? “Pfizer expects the COVID-19 vaccine to be a major revenue contributor for years, and has forecast sales of $26 billion from the shot in 2021. “ That is quite an incentive.
link to jpost.com
@cirsium (12.08) –
The ‘Nuremberg’ link you provided is very clear.
The damage caused by these ‘vaccines’ is already well documented. Anyone in a position of responsibility who *knowingly* encourages others to take them is culpable.
It is unthinkable that civil servants, at Holyrood and WM, are not abreast of this stuff. They have a duty to inform ministers who, in turn, must inform the citizenry. It’s not complicated.
Characters like Hatuey are merely turn-keys, but they too are complicit and will, eventually, be brought to justice.
And they simply must be – otherwise, there is no good outcome for any of us.
Ian Brotherhood and the other anivaxxers on here, you are fucking lunatics. Fuck off to a dark corner somewhere, the Indy movement does not need or want conspiracy nutjob wankers like you.
It isn’t a game, Ian.
I’ve never been asked to explain how unvaccinated people might be identified… I’d remember such a stupid question.
I see over 100 top academics have signed a letter urging the government to re-think its “freedom day” plan. It looks like I’m not the only one worrying about that wave and the impact it’ll have, on young people in particular.
link to thelancet.com
link to thelancet.com
Scotland is already seeing the beginnings of that impact. Many of those going into hospital in Dundee, for example, are young people;
“Dr Emma Fletcher – Tayside’s director of public health – said the situation was “exceptionally serious” and urged people aged between 18 and 29 to get themselves vaccinated.
“In a video message, she said: “This is the highest number of patients we have had since 12 February and our rate per 100,000 population is more than 10 times what it was just a few weeks ago.
“Unfortunately there are young people right now with Covid in Ninewells – not only in our general wards, but also in our intensive care unit and our high dependency unit.”
link to bbc.com
But who cares what the health experts say? Who cares what the top academics say? Who cares what anyone says? Who cares about unprotected young people? Who cares about the elderly and all those that already died, callously disregarded with lines like “they’d have died anyway”?
James Che summed the whole cause up earlier when he expressed his simple desire for attention.
A bunch of total fucking dimwits, manipulated by the tabloids and snake oil salesmen on YouTube, making calls that will destroy lives (their own included), all for a little attention and a chance to vent…
Renewables I see you have cornered the market in stupidly and your Tag Team partner He haughty what makes you a fkn expert when its obvious the experts are shit at solving this mass hysterical con job where panic is the new normal was it the Red or the blue pill you swallowed ?
Hatuey,
The experts that you talk of have had everything they wanted, everything.
That means that everything that’s happened up until now and presently has happened because of the decisions that have been made.
The links you post are talking about the rise in cases now as well as what may be expected after freedom day.
That means the problems we have now are of our own making.
What we are doing is not working.
Why do I have to lead you through this like a fucking toddler?
Don’t give me the shite “…but it would have been much worse if we didn’t…”
“Why do I have to lead you through this like a fucking toddler?”
I don’t know, but I suspect Dunning and Kruger might be able to explain it.
Hatuey ,
Great thing about insomnia I get to answer at leisure,
You are a serious chap aren’t you, and I can see your unfamiliar with the word mockery.
As it went over and above you’re head here’s an explanation,
J che is easy amongst many friends and large family ties, attention is something that sometimes is something hard to avoid, so I take time out for long country walks to escape and recharge, precious my time.
You’re pal ruby is well known on here for not liking other commenters, many victims and many have stopped commenting, which is a goal achievement for ruby, so I just click baited Ruby’s character. It wasn’t hard to turn the tables around.
I like the way you pick and chose you’re replies, or do not reply at all to others, I noticed one or two saying that you had not answered.
These would be answered normally by others if they had thrown themselves in to the covid debate as you yourself did.
From your comments I presume you live in Angus district or Tayside, I have visited there once or twice in the past metal detecting.
I think time will tell if a bunch of f..king dimwits were right or wrong in the future,
I suppose it will depend on which comes first climate change lockdowns or war with Russia and possibly China, the rhetoric is steadily building up in the MSM, or wether America takes over command in Britain,
Or maybe them rockets that China have sent into space to intercept a great big rock that’s hurtling towards earth will miss.
There are so many ways for a person to die, were being spoilt for choice.
But when you have been near to death you stop worrying about death and take each new day as it comes.
You see life in a whole new way, and what was once important, now seems trivial. Even hate or hatred disappears.
The people who live life as if they are in total control and wish to control all humans to protect themselves are only fooling themselves in the long run,
If you are going to take control of anything make sure it’s the one thing causing misery and deaths to millions and millions of people,
Rogue governments.
Details of the huge profits being made from Covid-19 vaccines:
link to corporatewatch.org
I thought the following paragraph was interesting:
“Oxford/AstraZeneca: unknown profit, after forecast sales of $6.4 billion in 2021. It is selling at the cheapest price (for now) and they have promised to produce at cost without making a profit “during the pandemic”. But what does that really mean? One leaked contract seen by the Financial Times suggests they could declare the pandemic over and hike prices at any time from July.”
Any coincidence that Boris Johnson is planning to lift restrictions in England on the 19th of July?
And the following paragraph is also quite revealing:
“The vaccines are being bought by governments around the world in advance bulk orders. Those profit figures, therefore, come overwhelmingly from sales to public authorities. Governments also massively subsidised the vaccines’ development. So the public sector is paying twice over: first to fund research, next to buy the results at inflated prices.”
ROS At 1.56pm Thanks for the link Re the (SIM) Scottish Independence Movement march in Glasgow on August 14th . my wife and I have attended most of the AUOB independence marches and enjoyed the camaraderie and atmosphere but unfortunately UNLESS this march is totally focused on demanding the removal of Sturgeon and her cabal we will not be participating
I will never again attend any gathering that gives or lends ANY credibility to Sturgeon, her woke coterie or her false promises and lies of independence
link to archive.is
Devolutionists in action… “We demand you fix the BBC!”
Independentists would condemn the BBC as propagandists, and cite that as a failing in Westminster’s responsibility to administer to Scottish Broadcasting, and thus Scotland would exercise it’s sovereign right to establish it’s own state run broadcasting.
“ what idiot called it independence day and not THE GREAT BRITISH BREAK OFF”.
It’s a Tweet relating to the 4th July, but I am so stealing it for Scottish Independence…
Hatuey,
You were quick to answer that question, not so much the ones that matter though.
Why is that?
Hatuey,
I see James Che took you to tak over selective answers too.
*to task
Twathater,
Any March for Independence is a demand that the SNP do something. Write your own placard.
Don’t let your wholly justified disgust with the SNP mire you in gloom, get out there and do something.
Twathater @ 3.45
I completely agree with your sentiments re: Nicola Sturgeon (sometimes called betrayer) and the New SNP.
Sturgeon has spent the last 2 years starving the Independence movement of oxygen and hopes the flame is reduced to a peep. Sturgeon hopes the boat on the rocks in Chris’s toon is called the SS Independence and not ‘irresponsible’.
This march on the 14th is not an endorsement of Sturgeon or the SNP and I will be marching not for them but ‘in spite’ of them. More importantly because I reckon the Covid Queen will be mighty pissed off that we haven’t gone away. She (and the rest of the troughers) needs to be reminded of that fact.
We need the boots on the ground. Please reconsider.
Robert Graham, I know nothing about Hatuey, he or she or they is not my ‘tag team’ partner. They do seem to be one of the very few sane people left posting on here though.
It is you and your fellow tinfoil helmeteers, Saffron Robe, James Che et al, who are the team of morons on here, destroying the credibility of Wings as an ongoing vehicle for independence supporters to meet and chat.
I hope you get the virus and have a really shit time without actually dying. Fuckwits and grippers, all of you.
Well I guess there is no point in tuning into any News channel today every fkn where you look it’s Engerlund I have heard 1966 mentioned more in the last 49 hrs than I care to remember almost every week , every month since 1966 that’s 55 years oh fkn drivelling English cometary about them winning , and these morons get upset if we don’t support their team .
The face of Susanna Reid ( good morning Britain) while commenting on The Nationals front page on the Andrew Marr show this morning showing full Brave heart support for the Italians was priceless fkn magic she looked as if someone stuck a lemon up her arse ,
The only safe place in the whole of Britain for anyone from Italy today is Scotland I imagine the Pizza places and cafes are getting ready to protect their premises from joyful , happy , destroy everything in sight boozed up Engurland fans our next door neighbours are revolting .
Renewable
Go fk yerself
Wall to wall radio and tv coverage this morning of England’s game today against Italy.
Prince William the Queen and BoJo trilling.
You would think they had beaten Denmark by twenty goals instead of a penalty that wasn’t, a laser beam on the goalie, and a second ball on the field. The refereeing was a disgrace but it’s all empire talk about victory and glory. If they win the team will all get knighthoods and probably VC’s.
But you just know that if it had been Wales or Scotchland in the final they wouldn’t have got a tenth of the media coverage.
Twathater @3.47pm.
You’re welcome.
As for the marches, I think they need to evolve from some sort of happy clappy flag waving tourist attraction, to a more pro-active demo like movement, with placards aimed at calling Sturgeons bluff.
Don’t get me wrong the marches are a sight to behold and show the peoples will for an independent Scotland, but Sturgeon will do her usual and just ignore them or find ways to hinder them.
In the near future if Sturgeon still hasn’t made any progress on the indyfront, (and the appointment of arch unionist Sir Nicolas MacPherson by her seems to show there won’t be any movement) in my opinion (SIM) will need to change tactics.
I’m for demos outside Bute House and Holyrood and small committed groups who can move quickly when they get word of where Sturgeon is attending in Scotland to demonstrate outside the venue. She needs to be put under pressure on the indyfront.
Cherrybank @5.12pm.
I’ll be advising anyone I know to boycott Morrisons, to shop local, in an attempt to help boost the Scottish food sector, and of course their eyes won’t be so dazzled with as many Butchers Aprons.
Breeks @ 6.38 am: “Independentists would condemn the BBC as propagandists…”
That’s right and as you know that it isn’t what the SNP are arguing.
The SNP want the BBC to spend more money in Scotland propping up and supporting Scotland’s Government (the SNP) which in a sense means they are arguing for more of the same… in other words, more pro-SNP propaganda.
That’s what State Broadcasting is expected to do, after all, support the government, and the SNP are demanding that they spend more doing it.
There’s no hint whatsoever that the SNP are concerned about anti-SNP or pro-British bias, because it isn’t a issue for them.
They’re happy with the BBC’s political positioning in Scotland, supporting and protecting Nicola, etc., they just want more of it.
ScotsRenewables says:
11 July, 2021 at 9:39 am
Twathater,
Any March for Independence is a demand that the SNP do something. Write your own placard.
Don’t let your wholly justified disgust with the SNP mire you in gloom, get out there and do something.
Reply
That’s very good advice!
Republic of Scotland, agree totally. Regular big marches on Holyrood, demos outside, get the numbers as big as possible. Remember the 3.5% rule.
Smaller flash mobs targeting Sturgeon wherever she appears are also a great idea – let’s hope someone with experience of this tactic picks it up and runs with it. We need an app for this, perhaps?
Nally Anders @6.58pm.
Nally, interesting link, I’m not well versed in the virulence of Covid strains, however, I think it would be better to err on the side of caution, and Johnson should postpone freedom day for a while at least.
As for Scotland, we don’t control our borders, thanks to not being an independent nation. So come the 19th of July we can expect a flood of English tourists, and of course if the new variants are as virulent as they say they are then Scotland’s NHS could be put under extreme pressure again.
I think the problem overall is the amount of time this pandemic has been going on, in my opinion some folk are fatigued by it, and are now showing signs of apathy, they’ve had enough right or wrong and will flout the rules.
The business community are I’d imagine also at breaking point financially that is, and most probably see freedom day as a chance to start earning again. I think Johnson has decided to put public liberty and commerce at the top of the agenda and to do that he must lift all restrictions surrounding Covid.
Of course the folly of Brexit, and the pandemic has given the UK a double negative whammy.
Hatuey
You write shite.
I have been on several planes, at the tail end of 2020, and nobody had any idea of who had been vaccinated and who had not.
But everybody was tested, and nobody with a positive test was allowed aboard. All in all, the 7 hours I spent on an intercontinental flight was the safest of all the times I spent in public over the period March – December 2020.
Regarding your repeated claim that Covid is “deadly”, that is shite also. No infection with a fatality rate less than 3% merits that description.
Most people with Covid hardly notice they are ill. Get a grip.
Republicofscotland says:
Of course the folly of Brexit, and the pandemic has given the UK a double negative whammy.
Reply
Winning a football will sort everything out!
Scots Renewables.
Yes, Sturgeon can and has just ignored huge AUOB marches in the past, small fast moving groups with placards waiting for her every time she exits a venue for a prolonged period of time, should get her attention and hopefully remind her why we re-elected her in the first place, and if the media picks up on those demos, then all the better.
John Main says:
11 July, 2021 at 10:48 am
Hatuey
You write shite
Reply
I haven’t been following the ‘debate’ on here re Covid for various reason and I was wondering if you could explain to me in simple terms what each side is trying to achieve.
@ ScotsRenewables
I’d say you are destroying your own credibility by turning up out of the blue again and ranting in a highly insulting manner towards folk that have been continuing to add their views and thoughts btl over a considerable length of time.
There are absolute legitimate grounds to query and discuss how covid is being dealt with.
If it’s a deadly global pandemic than why the fuck is there an international football tournament going ahead with fans traveling all over the place.
Some folk should not get the “vaccines” due to underlying health issues. But what if you have un-diagnosed health issues that would put you in the “should not receive the vaccine” category. You can’t make informed consent without this knowledge.
Are un-diagnosed health conditions the reason why some folk react badly to the vaccine. I know of someone that took ill and had a stroke and heart attack after their second jag.
Was that because they were one of the considerably large group of folk that display no covid symptoms if they have had or get infected because they have some kind of natural immunity, and if they then receive the jags they react badly.
Of course it could be that those that react badly to the jags might also be the ones that would endure the worst of covid symptoms.
At the moment folk just get a letter effectively pressurising them to rock up and get their jags without any real pre health checks, or awareness of what make of “vaccine” they are going to get.
It is not known how long the efficacy of the symptom reducing jags last, or whether they are any use against current variants.
If we are soon to be locked down again for months due to the UK opening up and dropping restrictions, then what’s the point of having a jag now if you’re going to be isolating anyway and by the time we open up again any symptom reducing benefits will have worn off.
I’m not an anti-vaxxer. I am vaccine critical. These discussions require more nuance, don’t fall into a similar modus as used by some trans activists of calling anyone that doesn’t align with their views transphobic.
Ruby @10.59pm.
I think Johnson is banking on the “feel good factor” even if England fails to win tonight. If they do win then the nation of England will bask in the feel good factor, and I see nothing wrong with that, I only wish Scotland could reach a football final other than the Kirin cup which they won.
However I still think Johnson should err on the side of caution and delay freedom day for the time being, surely a victory tonight for England would sustain national pride, and allow the current restrictions to remain for a few more months.
Republicofscotland says:
and if the media picks up on those demos, then all the better.
Reply
The problem for the MSM is if they pick up on those demos they risk having their funding cut.
Perhaps we need to consider photo-bombing events in the same way as ‘Manky Shirt’ did with his giant UJ and brexiteers & pro EU supporters did with their flags when politicians were being interviewed outside Westminster.
Republicofscotland says:
11 July, 2021 at 11:04 am
Ruby @10.59pm.
I think Johnson is banking on the “feel good factor” even if England fails to win tonight.
Reply
This “feel good factor” because a football team wins a match goes right over my head!
Dan says:
If it’s a deadly global pandemic than why the fuck is there an international football tournament going ahead with fans traveling all over the place.
Reply
Good question! That could be down to the ‘feel good factor’. If you are happy you are less stressed and less likely to catch a virus.
When we’re stressed, the immune system’s ability to fight off antigens is reduced.
I suppose if we had unlimited amounts of money absolutely everyone could have a full health check before being vaccinated. I would imagine the football players who had a cardiac arrest during a football match would have had a full health check so being passed as 100% healthy today may not mean you will be tomorrow.
People could do quite a lot for themselves vis a vis health. One important thing they could do is check their blood pressure before going for the vaccine and if it’s high they could consult the doctor.
Would you be able to sum up for me what the debate is about?
Is the question to vaccinate or not to vaccinate?
I see both the BBC and ITV are covering the England v Italy game.
Unbelievable.
Do you need Boris Johnson to tie your shoelaces for you too Chris?
Covid and independence link,
For the longest time I have thought Scotland should be independent, a lot of UKs old empire have already taken this path,
And in that mix I am quite happy for Wales, Ireland and England itself to be independent, if I had a business I would be highly aggrieved if someone was running my business from a different country, especially if the other, had no idea how to run it,
The covid connection, at the beginning we all took the covid virus very serious, I had been in hospital having an op at the time the covid news broke, no one was more serious than myself in my weakened state,
For six months I saw no one except my spouse,,
However as time has passed I have seen world sports venues allowed to continue, I have seen umpteen politicians not following these rules, masks not being worn as soon as they thought the cameras were not running, politicians going out for meals, to hairdressers, to meet up with their families, barbecues and G7 meetings and world summits being held across the globe, and tv host going abroad for their hols while preaching covid restriction across airwaves. Bojo in the middle of a Scottish field with a tent and family.
Royalty swanning up to Aberdeen and Edinburgh at pandemic peak, and holidays to balmoral castle, unveiling statues and going to funerals,
Meanwhile we were not allowed to visit dying relatives, have a family together at funerals they died alone.
We were not allowed to barbers or hairdressers, out for meals, we were limited in distance from our homes, had to wear masks, cancer treatments and operations cancelled, and nhs closed, we had to wipe our food, leave letters lying for a few days before opening them.
The hypocrisy between how the politicians , royalty and big media hosts were actually living behind the scenes as the stories began to leak out I, along with many others began to realise that covid was more about control of the working classes rather than politicians and royalty worrying about our health,
So Scottish independence marches were put on hold and cancelled just as they were gaining momentum,
NS has used Covid like Brexit to delay meetings or gatherings of the people, and delay a planning of independence for Scotland,
She has been selective in which marches and gatherings of people were allowed or not allowed under the covid pandemic veil.
She and her team have been selective in who goes and who stays in the snp, and cut of the grass roots movement opinion from the party that once stood for Scottish independence.
I would not be surprised if she tried cancelling any march in August under the covid pretext,
If however it goes ahead and it is the only opportunity that the yes movement has, make the most of it.
perhaps the banners should all read: independence now, SNP out.
It didn’t take long for a few obsessive and self-important anti-vaccination posters to destroy this site and turn it from the best Independence supporting site in Scotland to an unreadable list of half truths and complete lies by anti-vax conspiracy believers
Posters whose names never appeared in the past ten years and who appear to have no interest in the reason for Wings existence or in Scotland’s future have suddenly infested the site. Obviously a co-ordinated attack.
Please do come back Stuart and sort them out. Soon.
FireproofJim.
Put your tar brush away, a awful lot of the independence movement are still here, their just fed up of being attacked by professional trolls, so do not comment, but watch and read.
Covid is not an issue for only one persons opinion even if it differs from mine, as it is affecting everyone in Scotland too,
And balance that against having the freedom to march for Scottish independence, or not being allowed to march. Covid can be used As a tool by leaders wishing to stop people movement in many ways.
My tuppence worth on the Morrison saga.
If my memory serves me correctly, they (Morrison’s) espoused the ‘dearer in Scotland after independence’ script during the Referendum campaign. Indeed, the only one of the ‘big six’ not to scaremonger was Tesco.
When Morrison’s acquired Safeway, their Scottish sales figures dropped. Perhaps people thought that their (then) livery of black, blue and yellow was more suited to an engineering company. When figures rallied, old man Morrison was quoted as saying;
‘I knew the natives would get back in line’.
Still, at least they did not promise an Edinburgh headquarters as Guinness did with Distillers.
“This “feel good factor” because a football team wins a match goes right over my head!”
Ruby, I’m not really a big football fan though I do like to see the national team do well, I live in hope on that one.
Anyway there are more and more women involved in football, so I think many women will know what the feel good factor with regards to football, and winning feels like.
McDuff @12.16pm.
I’m surprised that you are surprised, that the final is on both channels, this singular event is a prime example of why we need independence, our broadcasting is controlled by another country, broadcasting will never ever be devolved to Scotland, simply because its a far to great a source of propaganda.
Infact I’m sure Scots living in the Border regions get their tv from Northern England, its a insane situation that most Scots appear to be happy with or are unaware of the situation.
This is just the tip of a huge iceberg, that has seen Scots history literature and culture remain suppressed in favour of our neighbours South of the border.
Excellent cartoon Chris, but it should really depict Boris Johnson speeding away in a lifeboat with his Oxford chums clutching the hoard of loot they have made from the pandemic!
Trolls are extremely useful tools,
They are excellent guides to how the other half think and how they show them selfs up by calling for mainly independence people to either be removed or how they slag of independence commentators, it sorts out who is who on here by their methods,
I suppose it can be seen as. Sorting the wheat from the chaff phase,
They were here before stu stopped commenting in the droves, they only appear now if.
1) people start discussing ways around the predicament were in.
2) discuss the treaty of the union.
3) discuss covid restriction hypocrisy in politicians,and how it affects freedom and access to marching or rallies.
Management and Control being the background for and of the people in Scotland by trolling and useful idiots in the Snp.
I never request that trolls should be removed, otherwise you end up listening to you’re own voice only and have no idea what those on the other side are planning,
Hatuey for instance gave us some inclination in the future direction government wishes to take us under covid and segregation of the populations between vaccinnated and non vaccinated somewhat akin to how the SS worked under the instructions of hitler.
One to watch out for here in Scotland.
Ruby deletes commenters with ideas or observations that maybe relevant to the yes movement. As Don used to do, some are aggressive some are subtle, but they have been here for a long time.
A bit like politicians, charging on regardless,
Although we could do with a bit of that in amongst the yes movement.
A btl comment from a year ago;
“Nicola Sturgeon, as First Minister, might be concentrating on protecting us from Covid19 but she is still the leader of the SNP and she has a leadership team, MPs, MSPs and their hangers-on under her control. What are they doing to bring about the primary aim of the SNP’s constitution? What happened to the person who said ‘Scotland’s voice must be heard’, ‘The SNP is winning the case for independence’ and ‘I think you should always aim for more’.
‘I think you should always aim for more’?
You’ve kept Scotland in the wilderness for seven years. That’s ‘more’ than enough.
If Hatstand wore a Nazi uniform no one would approach him so no worries for his contagion angst. Problem solved Hatstand
There never was a need for lockdowns, distancing, masks, jabs etc. The 4 nations of the UK downgraded Covid 19 from a high consequence infectious disease on the 19th March 2020 because of its ‘low mortality’ rate, and 4 days before they locked you all down for the first time
You’re all been played like fools.
link to gov.uk
Whoops forgot to mention the divide method they use,
English hating Scots mantra hooks a few people here for them and football is another method they use to divide the Scots, and covid is a third method.
A forth method is to tell the independence movement that the other half of Scots don’t want independence.
This try divide method has a long history with the good old empire.
I am sure they will try the same methods with other subjects an topics , it’s just a case of being aware of how they work.
But trolls are indeed useful.
I’m sorry! I didn’t mean to intrude.
Scots Renewables. The ” virus” was not and is still not a problem for the majority of the population.
Why do you think we should trust Boris Johnson while he is blatsngly stringing everyone along. I’ve noticed the Establishment shills, and that’s what you are, violently refute anything said against Government policies without making much of an argument. Almost as if a raw nerve has been prodded. Prodded does not mean being shagged by a Proddy by the way. Just to be clear for the confused Sturgeonistas waaaay out there.
Dan: “don’t fall into a similar modus as used by some trans activists of calling anyone that doesn’t align with their views transphobic…”
If you look at the underlying fundamentals of the trans-activists argument, you’ll find they have a lot in common with anti-vaxxers — hateful and aggressively intolerant of alternative views, anti-science, self-centred, twisted notions of civil and social rights, totally dismissive of the negative consequences of their actions, etc. I could go on and on.
It’s the age of the self and it’s all about ME ME ME.
You can guarantee anti-vaxxer’s phones are full of selfies too. That’s the sort of people we are dealing with. Their “protests” are about meeting like-minded morons and trying to get laid or something. It’s all crap. I’d be willing to bet most are vaccinated too.
Blatantly stringing everyone along all Governments. Why are so many Independence supporters wearing blinkers when it comes to questioning the one sided one track Media Government narrative on covid nananana19.?
Fireproof Jim is the exempler of a Statist who wishes for the Government to take him in hand and tell him what to do how to do it and when to do it. He requires permission to leave the house. He prefers wrapping a jockstrap round his mouth when buying his National. He sees no problem with Government micro managing and manipulating the. He doesn’t mind the good cop bad cop style of governance we see with Bozo saying one thing while his ministers say the opposite. Perhaps that style of psychological warfare is too sophisticated for Firebrick to understand?
Our Father, who ain’t in Wembley
Mancini win this game.
Thy cup will be won in London and soon taken back to Rome.
Remove this crap we daily read and forgive Italian trespasses.
Lead England to underachievement and make them runners up.
In the name of Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the Wee Donkey be the power and the glory and VAR for ever and ever!
Drivel count high today. Off to WGD
Republicofscotland
Yeah I am surprised because this has never happened before , the two main terrestrial channels showing the same football match at the same time which just happens to involve England. Its an outrage, from the media to supermarkets to business, it’s all England inside Scotland.
Hatuey,
“If you look at the underlying fundamentals of the trans-activists argument, you’ll find they have a lot in common with anti-vaxxers — hateful and aggressively intolerant of alternative views, anti-science, self-centred, twisted notions of civil and social rights, totally dismissive of the negative consequences of their actions, etc. I could go on and on.”
Hatuey,
You have made known your views about segregation between vaccinated and unvaccinated.
I have already asked you to explain what danger unvaccinated people pose to vaccinated people that vaccinated people don’t pose.
You’ve also told me I don’t understand the science behind it but you never seem able to explain your position other than ‘vaccinated good, unvaccinated bad’.
Why can’t you or one of your compatriots answer the simple questions that are being asked of you?
ScotsRenewables, perhaps you can explain why the vaccinated are in danger from the unvaccinated, I would be keen to understand the logic in coming to your decision?
Or anybody else for that matter?
McDuff says:
11 July, 2021 at 2:49 pm
Republicofscotland
Yeah I am surprised because this has never happened before , the two main terrestrial channels showing the same football match at the same time…
Both votes England eh? What knucklehead thought that up?
Tight as a badgers RS McColl are closing early, so their staff can “enjoy the occasion, after such a terrible time”!
I’m not risking the radio, a silent day for reflection.
🙂
Hugh Jarse predicts a leathering from the boys in light blue. Defo.
😉
Not that it will mean that much, but Michael Gove’s Unionist Unit, has until tomorrow night to release its secret unionist polls on Scottish independence.
A tribunal gave the Cabinet twenty-eight days last month to release the polls findings, but to date the department has failed to do so. If they do nothing they could be in contempt of court, they could try and appeal the decision just to extend the time on revealing the results.
We’ll see what happens come Tuesday.
link to archive.ph
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Tonight is the Eleventh Night, in Northern Ireland, it will see the UK loyalist set alight to their huge beacons of hate, to remember a religious battle fought over three-hundred years ago.
Feeling could be running high tonight in the Catholic loyalist Tiger’s Bay area, which borders on to a UK loyalist area, as a huge beacon of hate is set to be set ablaze at midnight.
breeks @3.41pm.
Well spotted Breeks, yes this is the kind of sheer chutzpah from Peter Murrell that makes our blood boil. I don’t think the likes of him or his Betrayer wife have any shame at all.
Did he think he could call for transparency, without taking into account the sheer lack of transparency around the supposedly ringfenced indy fighting funds.
This sentence is from your link, and its very revealing.
“Replacement treasurer Colin Beattie MSP later admitted some Indyref2 cash had been spent on other things, but insisted “amounts equivalent to the sums raised” would be spent on campaigning in future.”
RepublicofScotland…
God Bless Ireland.
The 12th is a very tough day…
It was my father’s birthday and caused ruin in his life.
Him being a Catholic boy… But he taught me, people above sectarianism.
Another blessing on the fabulous people of Ireland.
People above sectarianism.
Respect.
alf baird has been doing some essays of late – grousebeater and iain lawson – well worth a read; his perspective/theoretical framework as being “colonisation”, certainly seems correct to me, though it is hard to see ourselves “in that way”. A bitter pill to swallow, but like swallowing “the red pill” in the matrix.
link to thenational.scot
link to thenational.scot
link to tankona.free.fr
link to exclassics.com
– some light reading, on this day of all days, to keep your hatred pure.
Italy for the win.
Hatuey says:
“anti-vaxxers — hateful and aggressively intolerant of alternative views, anti-science, self-centred, twisted notions of civil and social rights”.
More than a little unfair – and a complete over-generalisation of how different people are attempting to understand the issue.
The term “anti-vaxxer” in itself is a pejoratively directed misnomer designed to immediately discredit anyone who is remotely hesitant about receiving these products. I’ve personally had vaccines in the past and certainly have no issue with anybody who wishes to take them – particularly if they have immunodeficiency problems.
My issue is with the politicisation, haste and manner with which these particular vaccines are being foisted upon the entire world population.
Being a critical thinking individual i’ve done my own research, and it doesn’t take much to find out that vaccines should go through a stringent set of tests that normally takes years (8-13 years is quite standard).
Clinical trials (testing on humans) normally don’t start until 5 years into the process ( up till then all it’s test tubes and then animals).
Even when the Clinical Trials start (which is the longest part of the development process) it should always start with a small set of humans – and plenty of time is needed in between each administration to test for side effects etc.
With these particular vaccines we’ve skipped the entirety of the scientific method that every other life saving vaccine has had to undergo. That and the fact that governments around the world have given complete indemnity to the vaccine manufacturers – meaning if your loved one dies or is seriously injured you have nowhere to go and no-one to blame.
I just want to break down some of your opinions on people like me.
“hateful and aggressively intolerant of alternative views”
I’m the one OFFERING the alternative view – every mainstream media outlet will give you only one single narrative.
“anti-science”
I’ve just explained the standard scientific method used for testing ALL vaccines (apart from these ones). Again its Governments, Big Pharma and the Media who are condoning anti-scientific methods.
“self-centred”
I’m on record on Wings for stating that in 30 years time our children will resent and hate our generation for what we ushered in and allowed to happen to them – because WE were so self centred, thinking we were all going to die if we didn’t take the untested vaccine.
“twisted notions of civil and social rights”
What could be more twisted or distorted than the idea that people who remain unvaccinated pose a threat to the vaccinated – and that the vaccinated now receive preferential treatment as a result of this notion when it comes to not having to self isolate in certain situations?
We are all being played here. As much as you’d like to think it – you didn’t come up with any of those opinions yourself – it’s what big corporations and government have spoon-fed you and programmed you to utter at every opportunity.
As Mark Twain said “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled”.
“I have already asked you to explain what danger unvaccinated people pose to vaccinated people”
I’ve answered that question several times. Vaccination only provides so much protection, 95% at best. It’s primarily on that basis that we won’t be allowing you to mix and spread the disease, but also to stop you spreading to each other. In the background we are concerned that you’ll put undue pressure on our health system and provide a breeding ground for mutations.
Maybe we can organise leaflets or TV adverts or something… get it into the thick skulls out there. Maybe a cartoon or animation or something will work. Fuck knows. Maybe we could put something on balloons or in happy meals.
Watching the men’s Wimbledon Final thinking I’d
be safe from the English Football Tsunami but no.
All Tennis commentators talking about football and
English fans in the Tennis stands with football signs up?
In between sets this gave them a chance broadcast English football
Highlights promoting Gods superior race about to conquer Johnny Foreigner.
Fred.
😉
Breastplate, 3-13pm
Here’s a hypothetical… Though I don’t know if I am a compatriot of Hands…
It let’s say somebody called Jack decided against the vaccination… And, by the way, there are excellent reasons for refusal… Including fear of what damage it would cause him. Jack might have a condition that might be aggravated by the vaccine.
Anyway, let’s say Jack carries Covid delta or lambda or any scary version.
Say I have had the vaccine and Jack comes round to meet the 10 grandchildren. All under 30. And say Jack affects us all. I have symptoms and survive. Seven of my grandchildren get it and two die.
Then Jack, has caused me A lot of damage.
But this is a no-win Zen koan… If he really doesn’t want to have the vaccine, for whatever reason… We need to respect that.
That said, Jack could wreak havoc.
Sorry … Meant compatriot of Hatuey…
Predictive text woes…
So hatuey is saying he could be a carrier of the dreaded lurgie too, just don’t lock him up cos he’s privileged and speaking government talk,
That there is a superior intelligence in following those that take the vaccines that have not undergone full period of trials,
Will this turn out similar to Thalidomide, now known as Contergan. Where we have to wait until the next generation before we see the side effects on our children?
But what if it’s all just God’s will and he / she / they / it have decided that on performance to date, humans are fuckin arseholes that deserve to die in a skipfire and hellscape of their own making.
Billionaire Branson launches his butt into space whilst folk in first world countries cheer at overpaid arseholes kicking a ball about while their countryfolk still need to use foodbanks…
C’mon the cockroaches!
Further supporting evidence if it was required that God had maybe put just a little too much faith in humans to do the right thing.
Introduce your young bairns to the rainbow coloured dildo monkey…
link to twitter.com
link to historyscotland.com
Happy Birthday Robert the Bruce…
Republicofscotland says:
11 July, 2021 at 1:18 pm
“This “feel good factor” because a football team wins a match goes right over my head!”
Ruby, I’m not really a big football fan though I do like to see the national team do well, I live in hope on that one.
Anyway there are more and more women involved in football, so I think many women will know what the feel good factor with regards to football, and winning feels like.
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Good for these women! I really don’t get it!
It all seems over-hyped and nationalistic plus it doesn’t seem very wise to gamble your psychological well being/etc on whether a football team wins or loses.
The down side of the ‘feel good factor’ brought on by your team winning a football match is that it’s at the expense of the losing side who will experience the ‘feel bad factor’
Breeks @5.56pm.
The story goes that William Wallace who was betrayed by Sir John (de) Menteith was tipped off that Wallace was at Rab Rae’s farm, anyway after his capture Wallace was found to have correspondence on him between him and Robert the Bruce (Good King Robert).
This changed everything in the way that Edward I now saw Robert the Bruce, he now viewed him as an all out enemy, prior to that he forgave him on a number of indiscretions. In a way Wallace’s capture paved the way for Scotland to rid itself of English aggression, via Good King Roberts defence of Scotland.
Lockdown suited both Boris Johnson and Nicola Sturgeon to a tee. Boris Johnson because it quelled any public unrest over Brexit, and Nicola Sturgeon because it suppressed any public demonstrations in support of independence. Nothing the ruling class does is for the public good; it is all done in relation to their own interests.
As regards the Covid-19 vaccines and transgenderism they are both driven by Big Pharma. They are not in opposition to each other, but complementary. I actually think, in the fullness of time, it is those who have been vaccinated who will come to be seen as “mutants” and those who have not had the vaccine will be considered normal and healthy.
Although Dan may well be right. Our time as a species could be drawing to a close.
Vaccination provides”95%” protection as opposed to the 98-99% protection natural immunity confers? Hatstand as poor with an abucus as Jaki Bailey.
Dan says:
11 July, 2021 at 5:11 pm
Further supporting evidence if it was required that God had maybe put just a little too much faith in humans to do the right thing.
Introduce your young bairns to the rainbow coloured dildo monkey…
link to twitter.com
Reply
link to tinyurl.com
We need more emojis!
Were they trying to introduce children to zoophilia or was it plushophilia.
Hatuey. Who are ” we”?Your Governments have already tried to patronise the hell out of us and you advocate more patronising glass bead offerings for bending over for psycho Gates? You Government types really don’t think much of the public do you? If you’re “vaccinated” surely you’re safe. You’re sounding less like you’ve read an online science paper and more like a dreary repetition of tabloid soundbite penny dreadful headlines.
This site and its denizens is what inspired me to ask questions and even go where lefties fear to tread. That is the Right. I think far too many of us are divided by the Left Right paradigm which at a certain societal economic level does not exist. There are made politicians and there are schmucks like us. I hope the woke don’t accuse me of cultural hutzpah.
Saffron Robe @6.16pm.
Yes Johnson isn’t particularly interested in the well being of ordinary folk. As for Sturgeon she has no real interest in Scottish independence, though she prattles on about it, pre-election time, and whenever she’s unhappy with the Tories at Westminster.
There’s also this misconception with the public that somehow Sturgeon has handled the pandemic better than Johnson, that has seen her popularity ratings remain higher than that of Johnson’s.
If all vaccined men became sterile my little brotwurst will be worth a fortune. I’d best start limbering up. Shame I can’t do Eddie Quist emojies.
Ron Maclean says:
11 July, 2021 at 2:42 pm
”Drivel count high today. Off to WGD”
Comedy gold
Hatuey says:
“I’ve answered that question several times. Vaccination only provides so much protection, 95% at best. It’s primarily on that basis that we won’t be allowing you to mix and spread the disease, but also to stop you spreading to each other. In the background we are concerned that you’ll put undue pressure on our health system and provide a breeding ground for mutations.”
Hazmat Hatuey is a deluded fool. He thinks he runs the country! Theres a football match at Easter Road next week where they are ludicrously imposing mask wearing on an outdoor event, but they are NOT stupid enough to require proof of vaccination, so up yours Covid Nazi!
Tom Kane. What if you and your family got on a plane and it crashed or a boat that sinks or have a restaurant meal that poisons you? What about Aids, Hep Ghonorea crabs? What if a Comet wipes out Humanity or a herd of Elephants on Princes Street–it has been known you know- or eaten by a bear in Dreghorn woods. That’s Dreghorn in Edinburgh. Hey Tom. It just struck me… what if we, every single one of the Human race dies. Do you think that may happen?
Are you in a Death Cult by any chance?
Charles Hodgson says:
11 July, 2021 at 6:49 pm
Theres a football match at Easter Road next week where they are ludicrously imposing mask wearing on an outdoor event, but they are NOT stupid enough to require proof of vaccination, so up yours Covid Nazi!
Reply
Early days!
This week it’s masks next time it could be proof of vaccination.
Why do you think they are insisting on mask wearing?
Republicofscotland says:
11 July, 2021 at 3:53 pm
”Tonight is the Eleventh Night, in Northern Ireland, it will see the UK loyalist set alight to their huge beacons of hate, to remember a religious battle fought over three-hundred years ago”
I’m trapped in a hotel in Belfast tonight. There’s a tower around the corner from me, many Scots accents about, a lot of drunk folk walking around aimlessly. Definite menace in the air. Took a good picture of one of William’s valiant foot soldiers passed out in the street with pish stained jeans. I was thinking about going to watch the fire and hate for the craic but I’m wearing a green Nike track jacket ( not Celtic), and given the amount of alcohol consumed and the literacy levels of “the people”, I wouldn’t want it mistaken for a Celtic trackie in the dark. Lots of those PSNI armoured Land Rover’s cruising round. Menace in the air for sure.
Here are a couple of links to show you the elite race that rules over you!
link to twitter.com
link to facebook.com
Any word on when the penalty is?
Tom Kane @ 4:34pm
Yes, that would be a lot of damage as you say.
Now imagine the exact same scenario except this time, vaccinated Jack is visiting with the virus.
My question before was asking what danger do unvaccinated people pose to vaccinated people that vaccinated people don’t pose?
Hugh Jarse,
England have been underperforming for decades and this is their chance to repair that.
Tom Kane. You raise a question that many people living in fear and condemnation are asking.
It’s good that you ask it -as it’s important for people to understand how they are being misled by government and pharmaceutical sophistry.
As you quite rightly say – it’s completely hypothetical and, as it is hypothetical, yes i will concede that could happen- Jack could inflict serious damage on you and your family.
Now, here’s where people are being misled. Being fully vaccinated does not stop anyone from catching, incubating and transmitting the virus. Any vaccine’s job is just to boost the immune response system and keep you in a healthier and fitter state while your body fights the virus.
Here’s a more likely scenario. Jack phones to say that he won’t be coming round to visit you – he’s feeling unwell and has a bad cough and shortness of breath. He apologises and says he’ll see you and the kids in a couple of weeks time.
You then phone Jill. She’s happy to come round – she’s been double-jabbed and feeling great. You all have a great evening – but the tragedy you’ve described still unfolds.
Turns out that both Jack and Jill had the same variant. Jack, (according to the science) not being vaccinated showed symptoms and made a sensible decision based on that – and didn’t pass it on to anyone.
Jill, being vaccinated (according to science) had no idea she was carrying it and became the unwitting transmitter that still passed it on to you and your family.
Remember, you were quite happy to have Jill come round – you knew she was fully vaccinated and were delighted that you ‘dodged a bullet’ with Jack.
The Deep State are trying to push the idea that somehow the unvaccinated are more of a threat to transmission than the vaccinated. They never actually say it (they are too clever for that) – but it is strongly implied in their actions, particularly when it comes to introducing ‘privileged’ measures for fully vaccinated people who now don’t need to self isolate when returning from certain countries – compared to the ‘unclean’ unvaccinated who need to sit at home for 10 days. There is absolutely no scientific basis for this – it’s punitive and designed to instil hate and fear towards a certain group within our society – and it’s working judging by Hateuy’s posts.
And I’ve just been told they have scored.
As I was saying this is their chance to remedy their lack of success in front of a home crowd.
Dave Oga @7.21pm.
Dave I suggest you remain indoors tonight, and if you do decide to venture out, whatever you do, don’t mention the name Robert Lundy, or you may wind up as a giant human toasted marshmallow.
According to this Panelbase poll, the people of England and Wales say that they oppose Scotland having another indyref.
link to archive.is
Dan says:
11 July, 2021 at 4:52 pm
“But what if it’s all just God’s will and he / she / they / it…”
I reckoned that it was a vengeful deity’s response on hearing that Queen’s Park were turning pro…
Scotland were better than Italy defensively because they didn’t concede a goal.
Wee shame.
🙂
You’ll struggle to get a fish supper now!
As a passive supporter of DFC, can I type that I enjoyed Italy’s victory tonight.
As they (probably won’t) say in the MSM reports, “The best team won”.
I’m think