Wings Over Scotland

Farquerson and McGarvey: they both know where their-bread-is-buttered. Inconsequential drudges, the two of them.

hello

You should know by now Stu that the trannies are a protected species and they’ll report you for the slightest butthurt every time – and get you banned.

By the way, did you know someone who got a previous account of yours banned just happens to work for a certain Glasgow law firm?

I’ve had a strange thought in relation to the transcult and their misappropriation and debasement of language. Why don’t we turn the tables and play them at their own game? It occurs to me that the word “woman” can be ambiguous because, by attaching a prefix to the word “man”, it implies that a woman is somehow an appendage of man – Eve created from the rib of Adam for instance. However, I believe the opposite is true, that the feminine is the epitome of the divine and the central pillar of that divinity is motherhood. To put the cat amongst the (trans)pigeons, we should spell the word “woman” as “womban” and “women” as “womben”. Using these spellings there can be no ambiguity as to the definition of a womban i.e. someone with a womb. And it would be interesting to see what would happen in a legal context if we spelt the word thus!

On another subject, regarding the extortionate rise in energy prices, it seems to be apparent to everyone except the politicians that we will reach a critical mass this winter. I always try to visualise things, and if we imagine a graph with the rise in prices due to inflation coupled with rising energy costs on the one hand, and the average household income on the other, then it is obvious that we will soon reach a point when outcome exceeds income by some margin for the vast majority of people. What then? And the whole of society will be affected and at risk of collapse since everything is dependent on energy: from manufacturing to transportation to farming to individual businesses to the heating and running of hospices, hospitals, schools and swimming pools etc. etc. Europe is plunging head first into a new dark ages and the worst thing of all is that it has been entirely self-induced by our politicians who have lost all sense of reality.

Wow. Twitter is like a phone service in the old days when you had an Operator, except you must be a Stepford Wife or they won’t put your call through.

Or porn hub where you’re reprimanded for wanting to see nudity.

But most of all it’s like spoiled brat school children given a prefect’s badge and a daily quota of criminals to irritate.

I feel sure if we checked the hidden archives deeply enough, we’d find a black and white episode of The Avengers with Steed and Mrs Peel, and some dastardly evil bastard getting a karate chop to the bollocks for inventing Twitter and threatening to ruin a perfectly good society.

Great the mystery has been solved!

All these things that are happening are pretty scary!

What can we do?

Can you imagine actually saying you can see the Emperor’s backside
as he wears his special robe intended for intellectuals only?

Twitter will shut you down, the Daily Hail will mark you as a stupid subversive deserved of a long holiday in Rwanda.
The Tories will just ignore you as attention seeking.

Yes you can’t beat being in a free speech democracy and I’d like to try living in one before
I shrug off this mortal coil.

Speaking as someone who used to be an account holder on twatter….well several accounts actually, sone were complained about by KH of the Pet Shop fame and my personal account for calling sone Perth MSP a “lying TORY c***” repeatedly.
Have I wished to return to the fray? Nope.
Is it worth it? Nope.
Is it an echo-chamber for the worst elements of human behaviour? Yep.

The SNP youth are the same as the Labour youth and LD youth. They literally seem unable to think critically. They do not want discourse, nor dissent. They certainly do not want anything that challenges their narrative. They are like spoilt brats, told they can’t have a sweetie.

“Wings is neither as talented nor as important as Salman Rushdie or Jerry Sadowitz.

Oh I don’t know its certainly important to those who want to keep informed on the machinations of Scottish politicians and the wokies.

Anyway brilliantly put, you’re a victim of discrimination from a social platform that doesn’t do erm…discrimination, and all because you inconveniently (for them wokies/politicians) point out the truth in matters that concern them.

Also the Britnats in Scotland including the SNP want to shut you up, they don’t want their lies and machinations pulled apart and analysed and the truth laid bare for all to see.

I say f*ck them all.

Saffron Robe.
14 August 2:55pn.

I had an even stranger thought regards misappropriation of words,

Suppose long ago the very same scenario had happened when writing the bible.
If you look at the word woman it appears to be a complete word rather than a pre- fixed word,
But the word ” man” is an abbreviation of wo”man”.

Suppose Adam and eve names were switched, just like woman and man, after all this nonsense is all based on conjecture of someone else’s writings. Not gods or Jesus’s,
To day we see names like Evelyn Jones, english cricketer, with Eve in the first part of his name ” Eve”, lyn Jones. The last part of his christian name “lyn refers to water or small waterfall from what I have read up on,

However even today in many instances we find names that, both men and women share, such as the following ambiguous names,
Vivian,
Leigh,
Frances
Jessie
Alex.
Robin,
Leslie,
Ashley
Terry,
Lindsey,
Jean,
Along a similar vein and train of thoughts of your own, perhaps but there is evidence in Archaeology of past cultures through artifacts that man was not the being that was worshipped, or placed first in society amongst cultures pre- bibical writings,
There are many statues in museums around the world that held women as the mother of creation,

This switch of ” Belief” , Has happened previously purely by introducing a new “belief” and new writings,

The First time was woman, then the second time was man, now the new ideology is to combine the two,

This push and pull between genders, regardless of fairness worked, due to still having female and male,
The new ideological ” Belief” however reduces the future of mankind as a possibility in the future,
As women regardless of the first two belief systems were the child bearers,
Now we are entering a phase where governments will decide where and how children will or will not be in or on the future of this planet,

Population control will be from a test tube and “labour”tory , and will be judged by how many Workers are required to keep the system going for top elite in comfort,

Beehive technology.

This was on social media yesterday, and someone had written this wonderful and true sentence next to it.

One’s a British puppet the other is Basil Brush.

link to pbs.twimg.com

Mark Boyle

My request is on the last thread so you might not see it, but can you send me the contact details you think you have found for Wilson Finnie.

I was aware of the circumstances of his leaving Edinburgh University. That wasn’t the mystery. I am slightly sceptical you have found him so easily because the person who spoke to me about it has been looking for him for years.

@Craig

With respect, I sent them to the email address you specified much earlier. I suggest you check your spam folder.

Now they are coming for our water.

link to twitter.com

Ruby.

“It no longer has the same meaning”
because WE are meant to become intergrated as one sex gender, one race culture through mass migrations and immigration of countries, one colour, which is the purpose blm +wlm, A no nation, no sovereignty, all without energy,

And not natural to us travel sources, no natural water supplies, or family units, no community spirit nor educated the three Rs as basics.
Not natural mothers and fathers,
With ID cards for track and trace behaviour.
You will be banned from entering society if you do not comply your bank accounts will be frozen to bring you back in line,
Hence own economies and one money source for all people from governments around the world
Universal credits and furloughs,

Conspirarcy or actually in the process?

Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
14 August, 2022 at 2:24 pm
(In reply to StuartM’s earlier post above)
I’d imagine the SNP are quite financially comfortable right now. No election to fight, heaps of UK government money coming in and membership fees on top. It’s only in election years they usually make losses.

*****************************

Well let’s remember that as of 31/12/2019 SNP HQ were ONE YEAR behind in paying the branches their share of the members subs and as of 31/12/2020 they had slipped even further behind. Plus in 2021 they were hoovering up 2022’s subs to meet 2021’s expenses (and falsely recording it as 2021 revenue). That’s robbing Peter to pay Paul with a vengeance and all it does is leave a shortfall in 2022’s revenue.

Also Note 7 to the 2020 accounts lodged with the Electoral Commission shows a Parliamentary Levy income of Pds304,100 and the explanation given is “The parliamentary levy is an annual charge imposed on all SNP MSPs and MPs where all proceeds are ring-fenced for national campaign purposes”. There were no elections in 2020 (not even by-elections apparently) yet the cash at bank is only Pds260,565 and 200,000 of that is represented by an increase in the Amounts Owing to Accounting Units (Note 21) ie the 25% of members’ subs that HO is in arrears paying to the branches. So basically this 304K of “ring-fenced” funds is nowhere to be seen and has been used to pay the day-to-day expenses of Head Office just like the “ring-fenced” independence referendum donations.

Also once again the mysterious Prepayments and Accrued Income (Note 20) has increased by 290,000 from 879K to 1,169K. As a qualified accountant I am mystified as to what these could possibly be. Prepayments are things that you pay in advance, such as fire and car insurance or a week or two of office rent if it falls due mid-month, and those should only be a few 10s of ‘000s at the very most, not 1 million. Office Rent & Rates was 70K for the year so the maximum that prepaid rent could be is one month or 6K, and that’s assuming it’s payable on the last day of the month, which is unlikely. Insurance was 31K, so assuming it all falls due on 31st December (unlikely) that’d bring it up to 37K. If we round it off to 40K to allow for a few odd minor items that leaves us with the balance of approx 1,130,000 as accrued income.

It is difficult to imagine what the accrued income could possibly be – member’s subs are accounted for when they’re received in the SNP’s bank account so it’s not any of that. Income other than members’subs totalled just under 2 million Pounds, so the 1,130,000 accrued income is more than 50% of the other income. Since only 75% of the 2,430,100 of members subs actually belongs to Head Office* the actual total revenue of HO is 3,820,000 and the accrued income is more than one-third of SNP HO’s total annual income. This looks distinctly suspect – under what circumstances could one-third of the SNP’s income be receivable in the following 12 months? I can’t think of any.

Even if as the Rev suggests they are (just) managing to cover the day-to-day running costs of their bloated Head Office in the absence of an election, that’s hardly a reason for complacency. A prudent management would be limiting the running costs of Head Office to within the ongoing revenues of the Party ie the membership subscriptions and government grant and put any one-off windfall gains such as large donations or legacies into a fighting fund for elections and an independence referendum. Far from doing that they are spending the very sums that are supposedly “ring-fenced” for elections eg the parliamentary levy. And instead of restraining expenses they are increasing them: employees went from 21 to 24 (no doubt more jobs for Sturrell pals) and the wages bill increased by 14%. It’s obvious why Sturgeon isn’t anxious to have a referendum any time soon – the SNP hasn’t got the money to pay for the campaign because they’ve already spent it all.

* This is just one of the many examples where the SNP’s accounts are drafted to obfuscate the facts rather than inform the membership. Another example is that the 1,169K of Prepayments and Accrued Income make up 99% of Total Debtors and 81% of Current Assets yet are not broken down into separate line items or given an adequate description of what makes them up, yet the trivial sum of 600 Pounds of Trade Debtors is shown as a separate line item! And once again we are more than halfway through 2022 and nobody has yet seen 2021’s accounts. That’s unacceptable.

In my professional opinion the accounts have inadequate disclosure and are a disgrace. Just as with Murrell’s refusal to open the books to the elected National Treasurer and the Finance Committee (as he was legally required to do) you have to ask – what are they trying to hide?

@Skip_NC – if you’re reading this, I’d appreciate your input.

‘There are no good arguments against reality’

Very true. But sadly many people in Scotland live in their own artificial reality. Weak minded and gullible people, enchanted by the Scottish Pied Piper and led away to wander in a parallel universe.

At least they may have a semblance of an excuse.

But what about the nodding donkeys who sit behind the Piper in Holyrood? If they are so weak and vulnerable they shouldn’t be there in the first place.
And if they’re not, why have they betrayed the Scottish people by going along with it and not taking action to stop it?

If you don’t give the Piper what (s)he deserves, disaster follows. The Hamelin Piper deserved his money. The Scottish Piper deserves the bums rush, and payment is long overdue.

When all government around the world are a failing, when wars are rife, when countries allow their peoples free speech to come under control of corporations outwith our taxes control, when one glove fits all humans in mass vaccination, mass control or finances and resources

Look for the peace keepers to enter with the solution of one world government plans.
After they have created the problems.

That an actual branch of the British police employ social media flacks who talk in passive aggressive Gen Z meme-speak like, “You love to see it “, “.. thanks ” and so on is the most terrifying thing of all. How long before these brainless, raised-on-Reddit idiots comprise the judiciary?

Its time this place in Glasgow (Sandyford Clinic) went the same way as the Tavistock (To close) and is shut down for good these morons are only damaging our kids and young adults bodies and minds.

link to 12ft.io

StuartM, that’s a thorough analysis. I have a set of annual accounts to get out today and six months’ worth of financials for my largest client by midweek. I’ll try to find time to look at the 2020 accounts but, from memory, you have hit on all the major points.

I’ve always felt that Prepayments & Accruals is a convenient place to put stuff to shore up the balance sheet and if those numbers are high compared to what is on the Profit & Loss, any and all questions are legitimate.

Republicofscotland says:
15 August, 2022 at 4:12 pm
Sturgeon the betrayer of Scots and thwarter of Scottish independence, congratulates India on its 75th independence day.

link to twitter.com

Whilst her fellow unionist and BLiS branch manger Anas Sarwar congratulates Pakistan on its 75th independence day.

STFUP Scotland they’ll be no independence day for you to celebrate, possibly the thoughts of both these unionists when airing their congrats to other countries via social media.

link to twitter.com

———

Tom Devine (according to the National) has defended Anas Sarwar. Tom Devine knows that Scotland is NOT a colony, and only fringe nutters hold that view.

Who to believe? Tom Devine or a driving instructor from Partick? Tom Devine or the host of ‘Through A Scottish Prism’? Hmmmmmm…

Brrrrrrrrnnnnng Brrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnng

British Transport Police, how can we help?

I’d like to make a report, please, I just saw some boys playing on the railway line…

How do you know they were boys, did they reveal their pronouns?

Ehhhhhhhh.. their what? Forget it.

Ca-Click! Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo…

@ Skip_NC says:15 August, 2022 at 4:46 pm

Confident I have spotted the missing ring-fenced cash. Open the link and scroll down to the fourth picture:

link to theguardian.com

It’s got to be in the wee urn behind the FM.

Then again, maybes that’s the ashes of the Scottish Indy movement.

Roger says:
15 August, 2022 at 4:51 pm

Has anybody seen THIS? I don’t know htf they’v done this, but somebody needs to let FOWings know (I’m not on twitter)

Done what?

All I see is a “yer Maw” post from talent vacuum Bonnie Prince Bob with reflex guffaws from pretend newspaper Bella Caledonia inbetween agreeing with anything Cat Boyd says because the only thing they pay attention about her in truth is her … well, that question was answered a few threads back!

@craig Murray
Craig, I assume that the .ru suffix in mail.ru means your mail server is based in Russia (not that there’s necessarily anything wrong with that). I’m curious as to why you would use them and if there’s a good reason the rest of us ought to as well!

@Craig

No, it wasn’t Protonmail, but doesn’t the fact mail.ru blocks Protonmail anyway tell you something pretty damn obvious about your choice of email provider?

Don’t you have another, because to be honest I am REALLY not happy about sending any info to that provider, let alone that of a third party, especially someone in your position of getting themselves into repeated hot water and going the Full Hagrid over some pretty dubious characters.

“Tom Devine (according to the National) has defended Anas Sarwar. Tom Devine knows that Scotland is NOT a colony”

Pike.

I see you don’t like sausages, (afraid of links).

Tell me Pike, what position would you say Scotland is in, with a foreign country denying the Scottish people the democratic right to chose whether to stay or leave this onesided union via a referendum which has had multiple mandates given to its government by the people?

@ Dan says:15 August, 2022 at 5:22 pm

Here’s the archived link for John Main’s direct link to Guardian article.

link to archive.ph

Thanks, Dan. What do YOU reckon is in the wee urn?

StuartM.

A wee bit more recent funding to Stonewall by the S&G

The organisation has also been awarded funding in connection with the National Partnership Agreement between NHS Scotland and Stonewall Scotland to promote best practice on LGBT inclusion:

For the financial year 2018 – 2019 (01/11/2018 to 31/10/2019) NHS Scotland awarded Stonewall £46,000 for the National Partnership Agreement. This was payable over the 2018 – 2019 and 2019 – 2020 financial years.

link to gov.scot
For the financial year 2019 – 2020 (01/11/2019 to 31/10/2020) NHS Scotland awarded Stonewall £47,380 for the National Partnership Agreement. This was payable over the 2019 – 2020 and 2020 – 2021 financial years.

@Skip_NC
Thanks for the compliment, but I really only had time to have a quick look at the 2020 accounts, nothing thorough about it! Just the few points that jumped out at me, I’m sure a more thorough look would uncover more questionable items.

How the SNP’s auditor signs off on these accounts I don’t understand, they’re so bad. The best you can say of them is that they’re (probably) arithmetically correct but a “true and fair view” of the SNP’s financial position it ain’t.

StuartM.

On the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

“The way the BMGF finances these actives at the same time creates door openers for big corporations, like Big Pharma, privatized healthcare and education, big technology companies, chemical companies or GM-food. Thereby the philanthropy buys or forces open new profitable markets for the multinational corporations the Gates have their fortune invested in.”

Just a few of the bodies they sponsor.

” Clinton Health Inc, Rand Corporation, The Guardian, Robert Koch Institute, Die Zeit, Spiegel, BBC, Council for a Strong America, Solutions Journalism, Brookings Institution”

And of course they have their hooks into the UK as well.

link to nickcorbishley.com

Republicofscotland says:
15 August, 2022 at 5:50 pm
“Tom Devine (according to the National) has defended Anas Sarwar. Tom Devine knows that Scotland is NOT a colony”

Pike.

I see you don’t like sausages, (afraid of links).

Tell me Pike, what position would you say Scotland is in, with a foreign country denying the Scottish people the democratic right to chose whether to stay or leave this onesided union via a referendum which has had multiple mandates given to its government by the people?

————-

Scotland and England have not existed as separate, sovereign states for 315 years. As far as the international community is concerned, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the sovereign state. Legally, Scotland and England are not separate states – there is no ‘foreign’ country denying the Scottish people their democratic rights.

I agree that the Scottish Government has a mandate, but that mandate would be stronger if a majority of Scots supported independence, which is simply not the case (Mr Campbell has demonstrated that support for independence has flatlined at 47%). The only people preventing Scotland from becoming an independent nation, are the 55% of Scots who said “No”.

I would expect Mr Sadowitz to have his audiences multiplied after this.

Merganser says:
15 August, 2022 at 6:42 pm

Could you use your skills to forsee when Sturgeon is going?
Willing to cross your palm with silver. For some reason I think 13 pieces is about the right amount.

Oh she’s going alright! I haven’t got the exact date yet it’s still a bit hazy. 6.5 pieces of silver will do for now.

She is going to have a very freaky accident which will prevent her continuing with her modelling, photography, influencing & part time politicing career.

The weirdest thing is she is going to be hit by a Morphy Richards steam iron
when leaving the Ballmoral Hotel.
Hell hath no fury!

Disclaimer

This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, business, events and incidents are the products of the author’s imagination. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.

“I agree that the Scottish Government has a mandate, but that mandate would be stronger if a majority of Scots supported independence,”

Pike.

There is constantly a majority of independence minded MSPs at Holyrood and MPs Westminster and it been that way for a while now, who do think is voting these majorities into office?

I take it Pike by not addressing Westminster denying Scots their democratic right to dissolve or stay in this onesided union, that you think the denying of democracy to Scots is okay?

And you still haven’t answered the question of Scotland’s position that I posed to you @5.50pm.

Also Pike whilst you are quoting precentages Johnson on garnered around 43.6% of the vote.

John Main says: at 6:08 pm

“What do YOU reckon is in the wee urn?”

Crushed up sim cards from burner phones used for Whatsapping, and a fistful of mandate ashes…

Dan says:
15 August, 2022 at 5:17 pm

@ Roger

The FOW twitter account is legit. I suspect the confusion is arising because they are linking to a tweet thread where the now suspended GhostedWings account’s response to Bella is no longer visible.
It was probably to do with site viewing stats and Wings still having considerably more than Bella, even though Stu is in retirement.
Awaits being corrected if this is wrong…

Thanks, Dan. I know FOW is legit – that’s why I mentioned it. It appeared as if his link had been somehow sabotaged so that it linked to prince bob’s mocking post instead of Stu’s delete post (or rather a sign saying ‘this tweet is from suspended account’, etc) – I don’t know why that doesn’t happen. It might be an idea for FOW to delete that post now as it doesn’t link to what it was supposed to link to…

We know that the head of the Civil service Sir Nicolas MacPherson (now working for Sturgeon) actively worked against Scottish independence in 2014, he told us so.

We also know that others in the supposedly neutral Civil service also worked against Scottish independence in 2014, because they too told us so.

link to twitter.com

We know what kind of person Leslie Evans is, and she was head of the Civil service in Scotland, one of her quotes sums her up. “We may have lost the battle but we will win the war.”

Does anyone actually think that when another indyref comes around, that the civil service will then somehow turn into a paragon of parity and not be bias against Scottish independence in anyway?

If you do I have a bridge to sell you.

@Ruby says:15 August, 2022 at 6:22 pm

“Where the hell is that creep Main going with his questions about ‘what’s in the wee urn’?”

Just a creep now, Ruby?

FFS, I can remember when your insults had some bite to them. Whatever happened to you? Besides, one letter too many.

Did you not read Mark Boyle’s post at 7:19? You could get back to your old-style, potty-mouth “best”, and even if Rev Stu bans you, you could be back here in about 10 minutes with a new email address, and a new online, anonymous nickname.

What about Jade? Four letters – just made for you.

You’re welcome.

With all the fuss and tantrums about this article being taken down temporarily you would think that now that it’s up there would be more folk commenting.

Even Scott’s flamebait has gone unanswered. Now that is v. strange.

I can hardly be accused of disrupting the flow of the debate with my goobledegook when there is no debate.

It’s usually busier than this perhaps folk are horrified by being asked what they think is in a ‘wee white urn’

It’s a bit sick!

O/T: to refresh your spirit, look at Wings posts in late September 2014 and the btl comments. E.g. “Some rest for the wicked” on 25th September 2014. Bright, positive, friendly, energetic.

It reminds us of what we were and need to be again.

Mark Boyle,

I used to live in St Petersburg. Simple as that. You can also get me on craigmurray1710 at btinternet.com but that address gets hundreds of emails a day so I usually give people the mail.ru one for anything I want to be sure to get.

Republicofscotland says:
15 August, 2022 at 7:15 pm
“I agree that the Scottish Government has a mandate, but that mandate would be stronger if a majority of Scots supported independence,”

Pike.

There is constantly a majority of independence minded MSPs at Holyrood and MPs Westminster and it been that way for a while now, who do think is voting these majorities into office?

I take it Pike by not addressing Westminster denying Scots their democratic right to dissolve or stay in this onesided union, that you think the denying of democracy to Scots is okay?

And you still haven’t answered the question of Scotland’s position that I posed to you @5.50pm.

Also Pike whilst you are quoting precentages Johnson on garnered around 43.6% of the vote.

————

I did answer it. Whether we like it or not, Scotland is a constituent part of the UK and it’s the UK that’s internationally recognised as the sovereign nation-state. The international community does not view Scotland and England as separate nations, nor does it view Scotland as a colony.

I quoted percentages because I was discussing the referendum results (55% NO). In referenda, the winner is determined by vote share, in elections it’s by the number of seats won. The Scottish Government does have a democratic mandate for an independence referendum, I’ve never disputed that. The matter of Scottish independence can only be achieved politically (even Cherry admits there is no magical legal route to independence).

I would be open to voting for independence, if I didn’t think it would be an identity politics obsessed nightmare pandering to (quote YouTube’s The Critical Drinker) “THE MESSAGE”. I follow this site because the author stands up against “woke” culture, not because I support independence.

Isn’t that Peter Hitchens (less talented brother of the late Christopher) on Question Time?

@Craig Murray

Re-sent!

`Meet the Dundee man leading the period poverty fight – and find out how to get free products near you,
We speak to Jason Grant, newly appointed period dignity officer for the Tay region – the first role of its kind in Scotland.`

Martina Navratilova twitter
@Martina

And this is just fucking ridiculous…

Please email us with the new Twitter account address. You are still on FaceBook.

Andy Ellis @ 10:00 pm

“the “Scotland as colony” narrative wouldn’t we see more evidence?”

You mean like all that energy just conveniently making its way south, awfu cheaply, just like oil&gas? Enforced Brexit? Disrespected mandates? 2014 Vow? Scots Language Act? Scotland Act? Holyrood? Colonial administration? Foreign owned media? Concentrated land ownership? foreign/offshore ownership of utilities? EBC? Whitehall civil service? Stitch-ups? Demographics? GDP? Poverty? zero control over Borders? Under-developed Infrastructure? Cultural/ethnic Division of Labour? Lack of Economic ‘growth’? National Independence/Liberation Movement? Local Government franchise for a ‘national’ parliament or referendum? Crown ‘forces’?

“if it were so self evident or likely that the movement already accepted (or was moving towards) the “Scotland as colony” narrative wouldn’t we see more evidence?” (Ellis)

You should explain to us why you are complex sentence structures like that, conflating suppositions about what some unspecified person considers “self evident” with what “the movement” is assumed by you to think…

You’re all over the place and when educated people do that they are usually doing it intentionally.

Based on evidence, rather than bullshit, it’s very common for people not to realise or admit to themselves that they are in abusive and exploitative relationships. I’m sure you don’t need examples.

People are complicated herd animals, full of confusion and uncertainty. Throw in a powerful propaganda machine (like the BBC) and you can more or less con them into believing anything.

FFS, this shit isn’t all that hard.

“an area over which a foreign nation or state extends or maintains control”

link to merriam-webster.com

The UN decolonisers have their own list, which seems to be some narrow and quite arbitrary technical definition; it is mostly ex British and French places, quite small and insignificant.

– how you get on the list is not stated; do you need to apply? Or do they make it up themselves. Of course the SNP is never going to fill in that form.

There may also be a form of “reverse racism” going on here – i.e. “white” countries do not count, because (reasons) – it was whitey wot dun it, all white devils are the same. But America was a colony, and the Irish too.

This committee got formed early on with the creation of the UN, so its historical sweep and purpose is quite specific – its about the rollback of the exhausted French and British empires post war, probably to make it easier for US corporate interests to move in (nothing really to do with “lets be nice to the ethnics”)

Personally, the more I learned the more I thought using expressions like

– “like a colony”
– “a de-facto colony”

then one day you just drop the prefix.

C24 might not be the appropriate tool, but it is worth a try; and this is the things with shills – anything, any move which might produce a positive result – its always DONT DO THAT …

you could go along to C24 and make the point, the empire began when “the celtic periphery was subdued” and we, as “patient zero” are both the first and last colony, but pressganged into complicity.

There is nothing to lose by having a go, is there? Perhaps we could send them copies of Doun Hauden?

It would, at least, be a major loss of face for the UK. Which is good.

and BTW If Scotland is NOT a “colony” (failing on some mere technicality) – it fucking will be soon! When you have yearly droughts down the South East, then its either a national water grid, or the middle class exodus begins. One other solution is a large number of desalination plants on the south coast, which would probably need to be nuclear powered – or, the privatised water companies could plug the leaks, but that would affect the profits – the city won’t like it.

– this is speculation, and much of it depends on HS2 and just how far you can get from central London in 90 minutes; but none of the possibilities are good for us.

@Andy Ellis says:15 August, 2022 at 10:00 pm

You may as well give up, Andy. “Scotland as colony” is flavour of the month on here. Like all of the short-lived enthusiasms, it will burn itself out soon enough. You have the great Hatuey backing up this position when he writes:

“People are complicated herd animals”.

Anything to deflect from the inability of the Indy movement to convince Scots that they need to vote Yes. Something, that on the face of it, should not be all that difficult.

See that list from Alf Baird at 11:08 pm? It is fun to go down it and work out how many of these evidences apply to, say, Alabama, or Alaska. Can’t wait for somebody to pop up to claim these states, which entered freely into a federal arrangement, are just colonies too.

Still, ironic to see Brexit on that list. Any Greeks reading BTL here? How does the idea of Greece as EU colony, mismanaged, exploited, with its people impoverished and oppressed under foreign diktat, play out?

@”Scott” 3.04 am

Ignoring Gibraltar as a colony,

Not ignoring it at all. Gibraltar is a colony. HTH!

…and dismissing all those on the UN list as “quite small and insignificant” anyway,

That’s just your standard intellectually dishonest way of presenting the argument you *wished* people had made, rather than the argument they *actually* made. The reason the examples you constantly try to shoe horn in to the discussion to bolster what passes for your argument don’t apply or help your case isn’t to do with their size or significance, it’s because they aren’t comparable. It’s really not rocket science: Scotland is not New Caledonia or Gibraltar. Even Father Dougal would be able to figure out the difference.

…while trying to advocate for Scotland’s doomed-to-fail inclusion, presumably because the UN don’t take applications via telepathy(?), is some mental gymnastics.

I doubt the UN entertains applications from anonymous washed up nativist former international footballers “Scott”, but since you’re so confident in the justice of your case and our colonial status, fill your boots and see how far you get. you might want to try and get some reinforcements from well respected figures who are subject matter experts and show how you represent the majority of the independence movement. Should be a cinch, right….? 🙂

craig murray says:
15 August, 2022 at 10:57 pm

This is peculiar – nothing has come through on either email address. I have checked spam too.

That’s it I’m defo getting myself a crystal ball, a set of tarot cards, a scarf with dangling coins and a credit card reader (silver not accepted)

link to tinyurl.com

FF to 12.27

Alex Salmond most intelligent guy in British politics Nicola Sturgeon clichéd banal figure

@Hatuey 11.16 pm

You should explain to us why you are [sic] complex sentence structures like that, conflating suppositions about what some unspecified person considers “self evident” with what “the movement” is assumed by you to think…

You’re all over the place and when educated people do that they are usually doing it intentionally.

You should read your input back before posting it to ensure it makes some sense. Any reasonably educated person will be able to follow the argument. I’m not dumbing it down for the hard of thinking, nor am I interested in trying to engage with those not arguing in good faith, or who ignore what I write and either misrepresent it, or just ignore it and answer their own point instead.

It is self evident that the movement as a whole does not currently support the “Scotland as colony” schtick. We don’t need detailed polling of the specifics to tell us. If it were widely accepted all the proponents would be shouting it from the rooftops, the pro-independence parties would all be clamouring for the UN, EU and ICJ to recognise it as such, and we’d be in a very different ball game.

Not only have the “Scotland as colony” snake oil sales people failed in their job, I doubt many of them actually believe that Scotland is actually in a colonial situation in the same sense actual colonies of the former imperial powers were. It’s a performative stance born out of their frustration to convince enough people to just vote for independence, and with the already available processes to achieve independence without trying to fashion a list of grievances and a lack of political balls in to a policy position.

Based on evidence, rather than bullshit,…. [two paragraphs of bullshit]

So show us the evidence! Answer came there none. No scholarly articles from subject matter experts showing why Scotland is or could be considered a colony. No reports from independent, neutral academics showing us evidence of why Scotland should be on the C26 list, no conferences being held here or elsewhere to promote the view that Scotland is a colony.

No political parties supporting the view.

No major political figures making the point that we’d be independent if it weren’t for our colonial masters and MSM making us “doun hauden”.

No support from other colonised entities supporting our cause and calling for Scotland to be de-colonised.

It’s a mystery right enough. There’s nane sae blind as them that winna see, as Alf might say.

What I’m wondering in light of recent events if we are going to go from men being very embarrassed to be shopping for tampons to seeing only men in the tampon aisle.

In the event of a woman straying into that aisle there will be a male assistant there to advise.

No jokes about this especially not at the Pleasance.

I’m sure code of conduct enforcers from AIM will have their sights focused on dealing with this.

link to twitter.com

I didn’t realise Scotland was a colony until people on here told me it wasn’t.

Seriously, though, it’s time for the Indy movement to stop playing games and stop worrying about upsetting people all the time.

You can’t make an egg without breaking an omlette.

Potential for a Ruby and Andy date in central Edinburgh next month to celebrate their close alignment of views on genderwoowoo issues.

link to twitter.com

Is there a camera which would indicate just how many of the 600 audience walked out of the Jerry Sadowitz show? Is there written evidence of the number of complaints received and who lodged these complaints? If the complaints all came from one source, would that nullify the complaints because the people had chosen to go to a show knowing that it would ‘offend’ them? Could Mr Sadowitz sue the Pleasance?

Breastplate @ 8:24 am

“No matter how much the Yes movement explains to people that they will be better off in an independent Scotland, there is a powerful propaganda machine to tell them they will be poorer.”

The barrier to changing ‘mindsets’ is arguably more than that. Colonialism inflicts on ‘a people’ a psychological condition – which is in addition to, and allows for, their economic plunder and external political control. Colonialism is also racism and at root fascism (Aime Cesaire). McDiarmid was talking of this lang syne – bourgeois (Anglo-Scots) elites ignored him, much as we see today, reflecting the fact that colonialism is always ‘a cooperative venture’ with native elites (Frantz Fanon).

Appropriated Racial Oppression is a key feature of the condition – we know it colloquially as the Scottish Cultural Cringe, some even laugh about it. The only cure for this condition is liberation and ‘self recovery’ of a people through independence (Albert Memmi). Which is why Frantz Fanon described independence/decolonisation as primarily “a fight for a national culture”, in which indigenous language remains pivotal.

What this implies is that a colony could very well be the wealthiest independent nation imaginable yet the native inflicted with a ‘colonial mindset’ and suffering significant levels of Appropriated Racial Oppression may still refuse his own liberation.

Irvine Welsh’s (search for)’Trainspotting Scottish Rant’ scene is informative in this regard, as is any more scientific analyses, of which there are gey few specifically on the Scottish colonial dimension due to the nature of the quite different dominant culture/values of most academics and elites enjoying ‘an easier life’ in ‘Scottish’ universities, e.g.:

link to cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com

Meanwhile the Cost of Living in the Union Crisis, sees wages fall faster than anytime since records began.

Scots can’t afford to be in this onesided union. Not that the betrayer gives a toss about them.

link to 12ft.io

I’m sure code of conduct enforcers from AIM will have their sights focused on dealing with this…..

I know it’s too early for retrospectives, but I think the day will come when we will be grateful that these charlatans and carpet baggers are revealed to us. I’m going to include Blah Blah Blackford’s support for Freeports and Charter Cities and all the associated deregulation. More Brexit than Brexit, more Tory than the Tories. Who saw that one coming?

I know it really isn’t helpful when assembling our forces for another Independence Campaign, but at least we have a clearer understanding why NOTHING has been done to capitalise on opportunity after opportunity these past eight years.

I would rather the treachery and duplicity, (not to mention idiocy), was visible to us now, before we are gearing up our Nation for global interaction. It’s one thing to hamper a campaign through greed and self interest, but quite another sabotage a Nation existentially just when it’s trying to reassert it’s identity.

It’s very depressing to see just how many charlatans there are exploiting Scottish Independence as a flag of convenience. What a disgusting bunch of bottom feeders.

If that ratio is mirrored in the population, we may have a problem. But I just don’t think it is. I found myself talking to a random Indy Supporter a couple of weeks back. The liked Sturgeon because they reckoned she was good for Indy. This wasn’t a Rip Van Winkle who’d been asleep 20 years, just a working fella who didn’t do politics.

Where do you categorise such people? Fair weather Indy supporters who’ll turn up to vote YES on the day? Or dangerously ill informed loose cannons who’ll dig in to defend the false prophets?

Sturgeon’s creeps are all running on empty I feel, and I also feel there’s a reckoning coming. I naturally don’t trust the words in the Torygraph or the Mail, but the pictures didn’t lie, and Sturgeon’s Festival gig looked about 40% empty. It wasn’t a warm up pic either, because Sturgeon and Dale were clearly on stage.

The big question is how damaging that reckoning will be to the Independence cause. With luck and a following breeze however, between ALBA and SALVO, we won’t be derailed by the SNP’s inevitable implosion. Sound doesn’t carry in a vacuum.

@ Breastplate says:16 August, 2022 at 8:24 am

“Logic and comparison dictate that Scotland will be better off with self determination but unfortunately for most of the population, they don’t do logic”

Careful Breastplate.

That’s the “too stupid” argument hiding in plain sight.

Luckily it’s not true. The number of Scots who are too stupid to embrace a clear, time-lined, facts-based, plausible, understandable, solidly persuasive explanation of how their personal prosperity will be better after Indy is too small to be significant.

Still, the polls are shifting and the “just have faith” brigade will no doubt be lining up to take the credit.

Incidentally, I am sure it’s an article of faith on here that people want Scotland to be better off. But how far does that resonate with Scottish voters? My guess is that Scots want to be better off.

Trying to sell Indy on the amorphous claim that Scotland will be better off is asking Scots to accept, unevidenced, that by the magic of trickle down, they will end up better off also.

Maybes Scots are not so stupid that they can’t see through that hogwash.

“I’m not dumbing it down for the hard of thinking, nor am I interested in trying to engage with those not arguing in good faith, or who ignore what I write and either misrepresent it, or just ignore it and answer their own point instead.

It is self evident that the movement as a whole does not currently support the “Scotland as colony” schtick…”

Okay, Ellis, in good faith, are you arguing that there’s simply no grounds for arguing that Scotland is in a colonial relationship?

If so, we have a big bunch of things to say about that, starting with the origins of the Union, right through the ethnic cleansing of the Culloden era, and into the present where we are being denied democracy.

Or, maybe you are only concerned with what people think of the idea that we are in a colonial relationship? As you point out, there’s no real evidence in polls, etc.

We are happy to discuss that too. It’s a story about the suppression of ideas and the methods by which inconvenient truths are kept out of the public mind.

Go down this road and you will need to explain the impact things like schools have in terms of bludgeoning pro-British/imperialist values into the minds of children, the role of British culture, reinforced through things like TV, and of course the role politicians and the MSM play in making sure certain things don’t get attention (i.e. The McCrone Report).

Since there’s much that could be said on both sides of the debate with respect of the above, I am not sure you are approaching this in “good faith” when you refer to those you might engage with as “snake oil sales people”.

Unionist must love to see you traduce fellow independence supporters the way you do…

Christopher Pike said at 15 August 2022 at 6.42 pm;

“Scotland and England have not existed as separate, sovereign states for 315 years. As far as the international community is concerned, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the sovereign state. Legally, Scotland and England are not separate states – there is no ‘foreign’ country denying the Scottish people their democratic rights.”

The ‘foreign country denying the Scottish people their democratic rights’ is the country of England, doing so via their representation in the joint parliament of the two countries, exercising their Parliament’s English ‘unlimited sovereignty’ by a simple majority voting system that completely ignores the guaranteed sovereignty of Scotland every time they overturn a majority vote of the Scottish representation on any matter involving Scotland or its people.

Your basic mistake is confusing ‘states’ with ‘countries’. These are not the same entities, neither Scotland nor England are states, but both are still countries, each with their own legal systems, constitutions, differing types of sovereignty, and even their own crowns and state religion. The UK’s population is not a single undifferentiated population, as Scotland’s people own the sovereignty of Scotland under its constitution, while England’s people have no sovereignty at all under theirs. For exactly the same reason, Westminster’s MPs are not a single undifferentiated body of UK MPs, as only Scotland’s MPs can speak for the sovereign people of Scotland, and only Scotland’s MPs may embody that sovereignty in Parliament.

Legally, the UK has two constitutions, the English one nominally owned by the English parliament which ceased to exist, and the Scottish one owned by its people who certainly did not cease to exist. The continuing force of the Scottish one is guaranteed under the Treaty, and Westminster hasn’t the authority to set that guarantee or the Scottish constitution aside for any reason, and any attempt to modify or abolish it is illegal under Scots law. (The correct word isn’t ‘illegal’ it is ‘tr—-n’, a word which I think gets a post removed here, or worse.)

Westminster’s assertion of ‘unlimited sovereignty’ is by no means as well-founded as it pretends given that it belonged to the now dead English parliament which at no point bequeathed its sovereignty to the brand new Parliament of Great Britain, and it certainly doesn’t cover Scotland given the Treaty guarantee. The only sovereignty that Westminster may employ over Scotland is Scotland’s own sovereignty, currently devolved or loaned to Westminster in the form of our Scots MPs who alone can speak for Scotland in that place. And even that sovereignty is subsidiary to the real thing still owned by us Scots.

It is democratic, legal, and constitutional nonsense to pretend that any or all of England’s MPs should have any authority at all over Scotland, if Scotland’s own MPs vote against them.

Scotland’s MPs are not just a group of UK MPs with funny accents, they are Scotland’s ambassadors representing the interests of the Scottish partner in the joint governance of both countries, and neither body of MPs representing the two partners has any legitimate authority over the other. That representation was required to mean something for both groups, but Westminster’s bad faith has a very long history, one that predates the Union, and every abuse of Scotland has its roots in that bad faith.

I`ve always been unhappy with the term independence as we are not a colony or a province like Quebec for example. Scotland is an ancient country and despite the outrage of its people joined the country of England to form ” a United Kingdom “, two independent countries coming together not “dependencies”.
So i prefer the term that we wish to “revert” back to our original status. Does anyone seriously think that if England wished to “revert” that it would seek a s30 or go through a court process or take any notice if Scotland refused to agree to a referendum. Of course they wouldn`t, they would just leave, such is the nature of that particular animal.

Does that ” Support will rise if Tweedledum or Tweedledumber becomes PM ” wishful thinking not have a familiar ring to it ?

Remember how Johnson as PM was supposedly going to do the same thing ? It didn’t make the slightest difference .

What will ( surely ? ) make a difference , irrespective of which puppet/muppet is chosen as Prime Monkey , is the in-yr-face reality of a drastic downturn in people’s standard of living .

IF , as has been said previously , it can be turned against Scotland’s continuing subjugated position within Union : and not just as another opportunistic ” Tory Bad – Vote SNP gies another mandate ” piece of sleight-of-hand at the next UKGE

For me the rainbow flag always bring to mind a new definition of Bungling.

” It is dangerous to be right in matters where the estblished authorities are wrong” Voltaire.

You are finding that out to your cost Stu.

IF , as has been said previously , it can be turned against Scotland’s continuing subjugated position within Union : and not just as another opportunistic ” Tory Bad – Vote SNP gies another mandate ” piece of sleight-of-hand at the next UKGE

The increasingly annoying problem is that no matter what opportunity drops into Sturgeon’s lap, she has proven spectacularly unable to capitalise on the opportunity it presents.

I mean, when you have something as catastrophically epic as Brexit forced upon you, sweeping aside the emphatic will of the people and brazenly overruling Scotland’s Constitutional sovereignty, and you have 27 neighbouring nations willing your Nation to go for it, but yet you still can’t even scratch the paintwork on the Brexit bus, it rather begs the question how apocalyptically bad do things need to be before you see some opportunity presenting itself?

When you cannot turn Brexit to your advantage, what difference is a new Tory gobshite going to make? The Tories could elect Worzal Gummidge to the top job and still run rings around Sturgeon.

The problem of defective and dysfunctional leadership is bad enough, but Sturgeon the Useless “still” retains the privilege of office and first refusal options over any and all emerging initiatives. All that work by SSRG and SALVO and Sturgeon does her best to wreck it with her “50% vote share” brainwave. She’s a liability in everything she touches.

By the time we see the back of her, all we’ll be able to do is mourn the litany of squandered opportunities and years of open goals which Sturgeon and her wrecking crew fucked up for all of us.

Well that’s not all we can do. When we see the back of Sturgeon we can have a bigger party and public celebration than when we saw the back of Thatcher.

Whether Scotland is/is not a “colony” depends on who writes the definition and how narrow you want it to be – maybe to some people “real-colonisation” only depends on melanin levels? Bit racist! The dictionary seems quite clear though, and that’s good enough for me.

– one attractive spinoff of the “constitutional lawfare” proposed which focusses on the rights we already have under the treaty, the nature of our own sovereignty, breaches of treaty etc, is that it shines a light on many murky constitutional matters;

– if we are a colony, then we go UN deolonisation

– if not a colony, then we are “equal partners” in a union and our elected representatives can simply dissolve the treaty

either way, you win, or at least have a positive course of action to pursue. Our enemies do not want these matters looked into, which is why you should be doing it. It is the ambiguity of the situation which fails us – our unwritten constitution allows the powerful to make it up as they go along, as it suits and citing false precedents or denying valid ones. This way the situation becomes plain.

My own view – the union was an “abduction-r4pe” cleverly written-up to look like a “marriage” (- the “history” systematically falsified by highly professional, credentialed, cheerleaders for empire). The criminal violence and fraud of the origin has been “normalised” over time …

“BUT YOU CAME TOO, BABY!”

but the Scots have been having “flashbacks” for a while now.

If you polled most English people THEY would say Scotland IS a colony – “a conquered nation(?) they defeated and their possession”. Those with a little education know how crass this is (to say it, thinking it is fine), but that is middle england, the tory voter.

– this level of disrespect alone should be enough to convert to independence anyone with the merest sense of pride.

ROBERT HUGHES.
«Scotland wadna thole Brexit»
Iuppiter tonans! It has.
Scotland’s case may make sense perceived via Chaos Theory.

link to fadeyev.net

Regarding Scotland and its current status, there are few, native and certainly foreign, who would not see the country’s relationship with England as other than a form of dependency arising from political annexation and cultural «osmosis».
The conquest of Scotland, Wales and Ireland is thematic in English history.
The processes of colonization begin with conquest.