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The darkest hour

Posted on December 21, 2017 by

Today, on the shortest day of the worst year in recent memory, the people of Catalonia will vote in an election under the control of a brutally repressive government which has unjustly dissolved their devolved parliament, imprisoned their democratically-elected leaders, viciously beaten hundreds of voters for no crime other than trying  to vote, and banned almost all types of expression of public support for Catalan independence, including outlawing colours of the rainbow.

All this has happened within the borders of civilised free Europe, and the other nations of that great continent have largely either turned a blind eye to Catalonia’s suffering, or actively sided with the Spanish regime. Many people fear that today’s election will be rigged, or that if pro-independence parties win the result will simply be ignored and the election re-run until the “right” result is arrived at.

The UK media has barely acknowledged the election is taking place, even though it appears that many of the most cherished and fundamental human rights and freedoms of the West are at stake in it. (Or perhaps precisely for that reason.)

For members of peaceful self-determination movements across the world, including in Scotland, the stakes could barely be higher. Madrid has demonstrated in the starkest possible terms that power devolved is power retained, and events in Barcelona today could be events in Edinburgh tomorrow.

(And if that seems overly melodramatic, ask yourself who would ever have imagined a 21st-century democracy sending in riot police, in full view of the eyes of the world, to literally drag blood-soaked elderly women out of polling stations by the hair?)

All we can do is watch and hope that justice prevails, and that the darkest hours do prove to be those that come before a bright new dawn.

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    1. bobajock says:

      My two Catalan chums have gone home for the Crimbo period, and will be voting.

      Sadly, their trust of the process is zero – akin to our trust of the Tory Porn Gang.

    2. jazzscot says:

      May freedom and humanity win!

    3. Proud Cybernat says:

      Seems appropriate…

      BREAKING from Pravda Quay
      with Jackie Kim Ono

      https://imgur.com/a/VvR1S

      Go Catalania.

    4. fillofficer says:

      Rajoy visited UK PM May last week,
      I’m sure he was getting approval for his next move.
      Spain can’t survive without Cataluna.
      England will die without Scotland.
      Mon Cataluna

    5. Ken500 says:

      Davidson lies again about education.

      Labour shows why Scotland needed Independence. For economic growth.

      Oil & Gas sector taxed at 40% by Westminster. Westminster mismanaging losing thousands of jobs in Scotland.

      Feck off Labour. Wasted £Billions on illegal wars, tax evasion and financial fraud.

      Westminster sycophants. Brexit shambles. A bunch of losers.

    6. HandandShrimp says:

      Good fortune Catalonia.

    7. Macart says:

      Well said.

    8. Charles says:

      When i saw the headline this morning that the vote was ‘ too close to call’..my heart sank, as it would be astonishing if the Spanish state did not interfere with the final outcome.
      if they can confiscate ballot boxes in full view of the worlds media, just think what they are prepared to do covertly.
      Of course this will be played out as the ‘settled will’ by the complicit western media, Spain will be saved from Nationalism and the UK and Scottish media already have their headlines hailing ‘democracy’ and no more divisive referendums !

    9. Ken500 says:

      50/50?

      LibDem cheated on electoral spending. They can’t count or read a balance sheet or analyse.

    10. Helena Brown says:

      I tend to the Rajoy got a few tips on how to control this election from thon woman. She is on the dim side but one thing English politicians learn early is how to manage propaganda.

    11. Helena Brown says:

      Tend to the view, grr

    12. Andy-B says:

      Go Catalonia go! Vote Si.

    13. Helena Brown says:

      Correction, I tend to the view that Rajoy

    14. mogabee says:

      All we can do is hope.

      God speed Catalunya…

    15. Bob Mack says:

      Yes rev, democracy is but a thin veil over the reality of the iron fist. The fact that no governments ( or very few). are speaking out about this confirms that fact.

      In truth ,governments are for the higher echelons of society.
      Middle and working classes only provide the labour and economic base to maintain an elite.

      I hope the people of Catalonia choose better than we did in 2014, but I suspect no matter what they choose ,the final outcome will somehow go in favour of Spain. Whatever means necessary to attain that final outcome, will be used. Of that I have no doubt.

    16. Derick fae Yell says:

      EFTA, dammit!

    17. Greannach says:

      We had been planning on visiting Spain for the first time next year, but that’s now off. We’re reluctant to assist the economy of a repressive fascistic state that sends riot police in to prevent people from voting. We’ll probably head to Portugal.

    18. Hamish100 says:

      Sad that Western Europe are under right wing control and news media. It is unforgivable that the so called labour party are dancing on pins not wishing to upset their Tory Unionists pals.

    19. Calum McKay says:

      “The UK media has barely acknowledged that the election is taking place, even though it appears that many of the most cherished and fundamental human rights and freedoms of the West are at stake. ”

      bbc in Scotland when they have acknowledged an election have gone out of their way to describe and class it as a regional election.

      Can we expect a country like the uk to respect the Catalan people when they are flogging arms to the Saudis?

    20. velofello says:

      I have asked myself, and I didn’t ever imagine the riot police employment and behaviour witnessed in Catalonia. And yes,Rajoy visiting May is significant. And so to remain as a full member of the EU has been proven as pointless. Commercial business is as far as Scotland should involve herself with the EU.

      But then I never imagined that I’d hear a UK Prime Minister define child homelessness as not sleeping in the streets.May is as cold as the grave. And yes, I can imagine her sending in the riot police to Edinburgh following a Yes vote.

    21. Stella says:

      Broken link above for “viciously beaten…”

    22. Robert Graham says:

      It’s good to see Greens & SNP MSPs openly supporting the people of Catalonia in Holyrood , it would have been nice if the party of workers and human rights Labour could have followed their example, but however it’s labour just par for the course I suppose .

    23. wull2 says:

      O/T. It is a bad day when you cannot trust the most of the Scottish media or the people in the House.
      A suggestion. Why does AS not introduce a show on a Monday show presented by someone else, on demand, online, app, to answer this weeks questions in full that was intentionally left out.
      That way (Mondays and Thursdays would be the best day of the week) for news.
      Last Thing, thanks to anyone who could post a link to this weeks AS show.

    24. Arbroath1320 says:

      Come on Catalonia ….give Rajoy the kicking he deserves but the E.U. are too gutless and spineless to do themselves!

      Non Parasain!

      https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/photo/101639850456727702167/6501984721366217074?authkey=CKKTzYu_5LrqOQ

    25. gordoz says:

      Very well said Rev Stu.

      EU under spotlight here also. But Spain example being watched by ultra yoons. Make no mistake. If we leave EU with England at helm then project fear will be a doddle next time.

    26. Dan Huil says:

      Can’t help feeling Madrid will fix this election to suit their anti-Catalonia aims. Hope I’m wrong. Good luck to the peope of Catalonia.

    27. Artyhetty says:

      In a world where the innocent are imprisoned or worse, and the criminals in government’s, such as that in Spain and the UK, are paid handsomely to deny the democratic process and piss on their own people (or others) from a great height, 2017 has been a more negative and destructive year than it should have been.

      In Scotland, and of course some similar, modern, civilised countries, we have the workings of a competent government at the helm in Holyrood, which is at least trying to be fair, and a government of and for the people.

      Send positive vibes to Catalunya today folks, and no I am not going all hippy :-). Ha!

      Democracy and peace must prevail, for all, and the rEU needs to ensure that is the case, if it is to survive as a civilised, modern, forward looking organisation.
      Good luck Catalunya.

    28. Robert Peffers says:

      @Robert Graham says: 21 December, 2017 at 12:52 pm:

      ” … it would have been nice if the party of workers and human rights Labour could have followed their example”.

      Labour ceased to be The, “Party of Workers and human rights”, almost as soon as Kier Hardie took his seat in Westminster to uphold the rights of his English Constituents.

      The truth of the matter is that Hardie, the father of the Labour Party, never represented a Scottish constituency in his political career.

      His supposed manifesto promise of Home Rule for Scotland was never, by the Labour Party, ever more than lip-service, (like so many other Labour Party mantas), that they never, while in power, attempted to introduce.

      Labour were, and are, internationalists until the Blair/Brown era when they eventually also threw in that particular towel to become what they always really were – WESTMINSTER ESTABLISHMENT UNIONISTS.

    29. Graeme McCormick says:

      Strange why the EU is showing its teeth to the obnoxious Polish government but not to Spain. There are serious issues about the EU which reduce its attractiveness to an independent Scotland. The YES Movement needs to frame an independence narrative which is not predicated on an early membership application. We need to be seen to be in control of our future and not be perceived as weak. The key to this is to ensure the funding of our public services is from a source not affected by global markets and individual incomes. Our land through Annual Ground Rent provides that source. Goos to see that the Land Commission is requesting tenders for a report on international examples of AGR/LVT.

    30. Sharney Dubs says:

      Come on Catalonia we are with you.

    31. William Wallace says:

      I am extremely doubtful that these elections will be fair and free. If Spain had nothing to hide then why would they object to the presence of international observers?

    32. Petra says:

      C’mon Catalonia you can do it and we’re right behind you in more ways than one X

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGo_HqUXgis

    33. Muscleguy says:

      I used to be a regular eater of chorizo. Since the events of October 1, 2017 no more. Unless Aldi stock that German chorizo I bought once again. I have found other spiced sausage products and have recently made my own black pudding and used that in place too. It is remarkably easy and cheap. I found tubs of frozen pig’s blood in our local Dundee Chinese Supermarket for not much money. Two large bore black puddings.

      No special equipment required, I stuffed the skins with a serving spoon. Skins from a sausage making site for pennies each. Large bore plastic, string tied ends. Other skins are usable, I happen to like my black pudding large diameter. Blood, oats, suet, salt, pepper, spices. Mix, put in skins, simmer at 80-85C for 2hrs for large bore and less for smaller diameter skins. Prick with a pin to release air of any which rise to the top. Cool in water, hang to dry, refrigerate.

    34. Derick fae Yell says:

      Graeme McCormick says:
      21 December, 2017 at 1:32 pm
      “Strange why the EU is showing its teeth to the obnoxious Polish government but not to Spain”

      EU member states, and the Commission, cannot offer any succour to secessionist movements, as so many of them have similar ‘internal’ issues. One might have hoped for chilly neutrality, rather than the overt hostility shown to Catalonia. So much for hope.

      There is no such dilemma regarding the internal politics of Poland so it’s safe to batter them about the head, diplomatically speaking.

    35. Robert Graham says:

      Robert Peffers @ 1.21
      Very much agree with your comments , the red & blue Tory Tag suits them to a tee , they are just another part of the Unionist party in Scotland,
      I suppose the reason they don’t just all join forces is because they would lose the three way tag team pantomime that’s played out for the benefit of the media,
      Three kicks at the SNP rather than one they would get if it was a normal political party , by rights the SNP should have equal representation opposing this Unionist Bloc as opposed to the built in three to one majority that doesn’t reflect votes cast for each of the parties.

    36. Dorothy Devine says:

      My thoughts are with the people of Catalunya – please do better than us.

    37. Finnz says:

      I’m not one who believes in the power of prayer, but at this time, I would ask everyone to say a few words to whatever deity they believe in, including the mighty Cthulhu, that this election passes off peacefully and the people of Catalonia are allowed to express their choice without harassment or fraud.

    38. Ottomanboi says:

      Catalunya and Caesar!/Scotland are essentially matters of territorial integrity. The loss of both to the ‘greater state’ would signal in glorious neon considerable loss of face. Some years ago the thinktank Chatham House pointed that out with respect to the UK. The Spanish might be able to live that down but the UKGB&NI would struggle. Its historic high profile on the world stage, the imperial legacy, would be questioned. With Brexit the British state has not found many new friends and has possibly lost quite a few anglophile sympathisers. Were we by popular voice to dissolve the Union the chances are we should be held guilty of the basest ‘treachery’. The British ‘establishment’ might well choose to retaliate. We know from its yellow press how Scottish nationalism and things Scottish generally are perceived. Anything might be expected from a state free of the constraints of the EU and in buccaneering mode.

    39. Are you forgetting that 62 per cent of Scots voted to stay in this undemocratic EU ???well not me I want a true independent Scotland no union with England no NATO no United Nations no Eu and no special relationship with the USA this unity is strength is a myth it means outsiders having a say in your affairs no one will look after Scotland’s interests better than the true Scots no one !)

    40. Anne says:

      My friend in Catalonia referred me to this English language site for news and updates – and as you will see it links to our very own National for informed reporting on the election

      http://www.elnacional.cat/en/
      elnacional.cat/en/news/survey-catalan-election-21-december-national-6_223272_102.html

    41. The democracies in Europe have failed the Catalonian people by not having stood up to the Rajoy Government in Madrid.

      I’m Sure if Catalonian’s re-elect a pro independence party no matter how narrowly.

      We will see the right wing Madrid Government try to find some way of annulling the result or failing that declare any decisions taken in the future by the Catalonian Parliament as being unconstitutional.

      If that happens it will be a sad day for democracy.

    42. Scottish Steve says:

      Whether pro-Madrid parties win by rigging or by legitimate majority, I can already predict the headlines in the Western (particularly the British press.) They will jizz in their pants about how the Catalans voted for “unity” and to “crush vile nationalism and division.” All the while ignoring the glaring irony that this would be an endorsement of Spanish nationalism. I am sure unionists over here, especially Tories, will wax lyrical about the result and tell us Jocks how we should take a leaf out of the Catalans’ book and do as we’re told by our superiors in the capital.

    43. heedtracker says:

      Could riot cops charge and batter elderly Scots like in Spain though, they’d have to bring in thousands and thousands of English riot cops to Scotland.

      As per, BBC r4 lunchtime news did a horrify thing on Catalan today. Its worth a listen to just witness just how creepy neo fascist the BBC is today. All the usual pro Spain vox pops, its a tragedy, horror, disaster, outrage, no one wants it now, its all over, wish they’d just give in and move on, all in perfect English, no pro Catalan voice whatsover, always separatists verus the Spanish.

      One weirt twist with those beeb gimps, they say its seps on the right v left unionism in Catalonia, which it may or may not be. BBC lies so hard about everything today its impossible to know what the truth is. But it is just a total creep out hearing very hard core, hard right BBC propagandists, piling in behind the left, anywhere.

    44. ScottieDog says:

      Have to admit to feeling rather down about everythIng political just now. Perhaps it’s just the lack of light!
      I am lucky to be in a well paid job, yet the flip side of that is that I’m surrounded by Times, mail and telegraph readers. The ignorance is staggering. In 2014 I did raise my head above the parapet and took people on with their wet and economically inept arguments. It quickly got me known and it became quite an uncomfortable period at work.

      They got their way – and their result. Incredibly, with everything that’s gone on since, their arguments remain the same – they can’t explain why – just quietly optimistic about brexit and thoroughly disparaging about Scotland, the SNP and independence.

      They turn their attentions now on ‘jimmy krankie’ and her tax policy. The derisory comments about folk that vote for SNP/Green are breathtaking (these are people I get on well with and respect professionally and I know they would bend over backwards to help me personally out of a tough spot).
      I’m lacking the energy to squash their arguments (which the through experience is very easy) but I have to work with them, yet it is a depressing environment to be in.

    45. Highland Wifie says:

      Sending very best wishes to Catalunya and hope that justice prevails.

      Not confident that Rajoy will respect the “wrong” result or even that he will allow this election to be conducted fairly. Western democracy in real danger here.

      I have not spoken to my Spanish friend about the election. Not sure what her position on it is and my Spanish not good enough to have a chat on the phone or text. Too easy to lose meaning in translation and perhaps be unintentionally offensive so I have said nothing. But it’s a conversation I need to have with her soon. In respect of our friendship I enjoy buying Spanish produce but life gets complicated!
      Wearing my yellow scarf today.

    46. Thepnr says:

      I really want to see this election conducted fairly and peacefully though there are some reservations in Catalonia itself from pro-indy groups.

      BARCELONA (Sputnik) – The Catalan National Assembly, an organization promoting the region’s independence from Spain, will hold an alternative vote count at the ongoing snap parliamentary elections, the assembly’s spokesperson told Sputnik on Thursday.

      “We do not trust the official results and are fearing fraud, therefore we will hold our own count,” the spokesperson said.

      https://archive.is/wlqmG

    47. PictAtRandom says:

      “Muscleguy says:
      21 December, 2017 at 2:04 pm

      I used to be a regular eater of chorizo. Since the events of October 1, 2017 no more. ”

      Easing my way into the festive season with some Bulgarian Merlot, rather than certain other red wine, for similar reasons.

      Has anyone tried to promote an “Estella Mark” for Catalan produce?

    48. Rock says:

      Rock (8th October – “The shoogly peg”):

      “I can say with 100% confidence that Saint Theresa is not going to give permission to Nicola to hold another referendum before Brexit has been completed.

      I can say with 99% confidence that Nicola will not dare defy Saint Theresa.

      If she does, the recent events in Catalonia will look like a picnic in comparison.

      The fascist British state is far far worse than the fascist Spanish state.

      The worst part of it, more than half of Scots will be on the side of the fascist British state.”

    49. Old Pete says:

      Let’s hope Catalonia votes for freedom and hope the EU shows support for them if they do.

    50. Willie Rennie on FMQ is blaming the FM for lack of medical treatment for young mental health patients, but not the savage cuts by his Yoons as the number of kids in poverty rose when to reward the Rich, Willie Rennie drove 260,000 children into poverty, 500,000 of our citizens into abject poverty and tens of thousands to early deaths, malnutrition, suicide, hyperthermia, drugs drinks abuse.
      The same Wullie Rennie who introduced the two child CTC cap, the rape clause, no Housing Benefit for 18-21 year olds, VAT charges on our Police and Emergency Services, the Bedroom Tax, the man who cut Welfare by £29 billion in the last Parliament, and who backs The Blue Tories, and Red Tories( Neil Fucking Findlay the Marxist Europe Hater is Red Richard’s Brexit spokesperson FFS)in dragging us out of the EU with the loss of 80,000 jobs, a few of which will belong to youngsters.

      The destroyer of Civic Scotland and our economy has the brass neck to fucking blame the Scottish Government for the marked deterioration of our children’s mental health?
      Willie Rennie, crawl back into the sewage pipe from which you emerged. You are a fucking disgrace .

      The Scottish Government is the only administration on these isles that is making a go at protecting us all from your cosy Little England fascist Elite.
      What a wee heartless creature you are.
      Davidson, Leonard and Rennie.
      The Devil’s Front Three.

    51. Bill Hume says:

      Dear Rock @3.57 pm.
      You are an idiot………..that is all.

    52. Fil says:

      And Europe is watching…
      Look, look Poland!

    53. wull2 says:

      If the EU does not support them, we know what the EU can do when they ask us for our support.
      Vote YES next time.

    54. Gary45% says:

      Hopefully the Catalans will return a Si, if this is the result, the world will watch the EU in its acceptance of the Catalans.
      I have strong reservations on the “Elite” regarding the democratic result if its Yes.
      “The elite looking after the elite”, will result in the end of the EU.

    55. Dunkie says:

      Someone above asked for a link to the Alex Salmond show. Here it is
      https://www.rt.com/shows/alex-salmond-show/

    56. dakk says:

      ‘One weirt twist with those beeb gimps, they say its seps on the right v left unionism in Catalonia, which it may or may not be. BBC lies so hard about everything today …’

      I have heard Yoons reiterating this BritNat line.

      ‘In Catalunya it’s the clever rich people(right) who want Independence,in Scotland it’s the ignorant poor(left) who want it’ so it goes.

      It feeds into their too poor too stupid argument for Scotland I believe,so it’s a convenient lie IMO.

      Having watched the demos and referendum in Catalunya I did not notice that the millions on the streets were dripping with gold.They looked very down to earth, decent, peaceable people,if anything left wing.

      Another loaded lying piece of propaganda enters the British narrative.

    57. Clive Scott says:

      A poor turnout at Holyrood this morning for the 11.00am “demo” in support of the Catalans. Not sure why more Indy supporters could not be bothered to show solidarity.

    58. Davy says:

      Catalonia does not stand alone, no matter how the biased media in this UK try’s to spin the politics to suit their own agenda.

      We the believers in democracy stand with Catalonia, it does not matter whether we are from Scotland or other places in the world, if you truly believe in democracy you cannot do anything else.

      Many people from the unionist camp say they believe in democracy, but it appears that’s only when it suits them.

      The people of Catalonia chose to use the ballot box to decide the direction they want to travel, it would be dishonourable to refuse their wishes.

      You can threaten populations, you can scare people with false-hoods, but with time these tactics diminish and a persons heart and soul will make the right decision for them.

      I back Catalonia, I back democracy.

    59. Proud Cybernat says:

      In case you missed it:

      Spanish Ayes V BBC Lies

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GpIqPzV1nc

    60. Robert Graham says:

      Rock

      Yer a ray of Sunshine on a dark Winters Day

      How blessed we are being allowed to share your encouraging uplifting thoughts on how our world is , and not how we believe it is ,

      Keep it up Bud your vision of a future that only you can envisage gives everyone hope .

      Have a nice day .

    61. Jason Smoothpiece says:

      Catalonia good luck.

      In the meantime do not buy Spanish. Cancel any thoughts of a Spanish holiday…. No really don’t be going there.

    62. Tinto Chiel says:

      An articulate and saddening summary, Rev. Given all the stories I’ve heard about electoral developments/practices in Catalunya, I have great doubts about the probity of the process. Fingers crossed for the Good Guys.

      Muscleguy @ 2.04: most excellent black pudding recipe, which I have noted, but it lacks Nana’s Special Ingredient, which, by definition, I cannot divulge 😛 . Catalunya has some marvellous BP, of course.

      Visca Catalunya!

    63. Ann says:

      I have my fingers crossed for the Catalans and hope that democracy pevails and that the legitimate Catalan government are one more installed to rightful place.

      …. And if the Si side get a Majority, that Mr Rajoy accepts the demicratic decision of the Catalan citizens.

      If anything untoward then happens, then authorities have to step in.

    64. Juan P says:

      Thinking of the people of Catalonia tonight.

      Almost impossible for them to win in what will undoubtedly be a rigged election. If they can somehow manage it against all the odds though then what a great way to end the year.

    65. Capella says:

      I have no expectation that the Spanish fascist state will allow a fair and free election in Catalonia. Given what I’ve heard about no external observers, no exit polls, and the votes to be collated centrally by Madrid, there seems to be no liklihood of open democracy. That’s before you count the politicians in jail or exile.

      But hope still remains. I wish them all the best.

      The other issue is the collusion of EU institutions with Spanish repression. Not good.

    66. yesindyref2 says:

      Catalonia and Spain, yes, but this:

      and events in Barcelona today could be events in Edinburgh tomorrow

      Who are you, and what have you done with the mostly non-whacko Rev?

    67. heedtracker says:

      Rock says:
      21 December, 2017 at 3:57 pm
      Rock (8th October – “The shoogly peg”):

      Merry Xmas Rock. I got a you a years subscription to the National this year, because you’ve been a very good roaster/zoomer for the UK in Scotland, 2017.

      http://www.thenational.scot/subscribe/

      Just think Rock, in a few days time, we can all start saying, “next years indy ref2…!”

    68. bob says:

      So,

      Unionist win, fixed election,

      Independence win, democratic vote.

    69. heedtracker says:

      Channel 4 teatime news also kicking the living shit out of indy Catalan right the noo. Our imperial masters are essentially mimicking BBC, as usual, and its the exact same C4 crew that shat all over Scots indy ref1, too.

      UKOK Tory media propaganda hasn’t been this bad since 2014 but it may be that no UKOK media gimp can get anyone pro Catalan to talk to them, its all just NO and converts to NO, shock.

    70. heedtracker says:

      bob says:
      21 December, 2017 at 7:35 pm
      So,

      Unionist win, fixed election,

      Independence win, democratic vote.

      Yes, but one way of ending that kind of doubt might be bob?

      Lots of international neutral observers, instead of none, exit polls, instead of none, maybe even remove the threat of getting kicked tae fcuk by Spainish riot cops in the street and so on,

      Do you see bob?

    71. bob says:

      heedtracker says:

      Lots of international neutral observers, instead of none, exit polls, instead of none, maybe even remove the threat of getting kicked tae fcuk by Spainish riot cops in the street and so on,

      No police needed in a legal election, such as today.

    72. Nana says:

      Interview with Liz Castro & David Karvala on the vote

      https://livestream.com/IndependenceLive/CatalunyaVote

    73. heedtracker says:

      No police needed in a legal election, such as today.

      Nice. So its all fine and dandy sending in the riot cops when it suits, to beat the shit out of anyone who you disagree with bob?

      I meant the threat of being kicked to fae by storm trooper thug riot cops bob, the threat. Because police violence is always a great democratic thingee isnt it bob, if you dont vote how we say, you’ll get a batton smacked across your skull grandad and grandma, dont know what that is in Spanish or Catalan, bob.

      States terrorising a section of its populace, might be all fine and dandy with you bob, but its democracy?

    74. bob says:

      Have you received a blow to the head lately?

      You certainly sound like you have.

    75. heedtracker says:

      bob says:
      21 December, 2017 at 8:58 pm
      Have you received a blow to the head lately?

      You certainly sound like you have.

      A lot of Catalan YESers did bob.

      Worst thing about turds like you bob, you’re apologists for neo fascism. Actually that’s two worst things, youre an apologist and supporter of neo fascism. And all because you’re against Scotland becoming a nation state, again.

      Very sleazy bob, might work though.

    76. bob says:

      Looks like a draw in NE Spain, no indy for a while.

      Same as Northern Britain, really

    77. heedtracker says:

      bob says:
      21 December, 2017 at 9:26 pm
      Looks like a draw in NE Spain, no indy for a while.

      Same as Northern Britain, really

      Atta boy bob. Hardly a draw, a spectacular victory for yoons like you, 2014, a triumph over North Britain that Spain neo fascists can only dream of, and all the violence in that ref came from, wait for it bob, neo fascists. Huzzah for great British neo fascism bob.

      But its interesting watching neo fascist apologists of teaGB in action too bob.

      Do you think the Spanish gov wil do a UK gov The Vow shyste bob?

      Not saying the pushed UKOK over the tape, 2104 bob, but even neo fascists like you must be wondering why UK gov came out with their historic The Vow fraud, at the last minute, let alone how they’ve reneged on completely too bob.

      Well not completely, PAYE got “given” to Scotland and look how exact same crew of teamGB yoons are going mental about their nattax hell now, bob.

      You’re an odd lot you yoons, bob.

    78. Thepnr says:

      From Catalans largest newspaper “La Vanguardia” reporting live.

      Results with 87% scrutinized: Citizens 36, JxCat 34, ERC 32, PSC 17, Catalunya In Comú-Podem 8, CUP 4 and PP 4.

      JxCat, ERC and CUP are the pro-indy parties so far estimating 70 seats for them combined. 68 seats are needed for an overall majority.

      http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20171221/433799225909/elecciones-catalanas-2017-sondeos-encuestas-escrutinio-participacion-resultados-esquerra-ciudadanos-junts-catalunya-psc-pp-cup-en-directo.html

    79. Mark Russell says:

      Brave souls – well done.

    80. ben madigan says:

      catalan election updates here as they came in!
      Such a joy to see the IIndependence parties gain a majority!
      Well done Catalans!
      https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2017/12/20/catalonias-big-day/

    81. David Smith says:

      “…and his tune is heard
      on the distant hill
      for the caged bird
      sings of freedom.”

    82. Fred says:

      @ Muscleguy, your Black Puddins sound the business, I think the Stornoway marags have fried onions in them?

    83. Undeadshuan says:

      Bob,rock different cheeks oh the same arse sittin oh ah chair in a cupboard in the 77th baracks.

    84. Foonurt says:

      Guid oan ye. Yurr last wee bracketit paragraph, sizit awe.

      Ah wunnurr, if yoan Dick ‘Wolfie Smith’ Leonard, fae Lunin labour, wull bae warm-heartit, fur thum.

      Gaun, thae seevintae.

    85. Cactus says:

      Felicitacions to the cool and most excellent People of Catalunya!

      With yer result, YOU have just validated yer recent referendum.

      Celebrate your being this weekend good people, Si to Si!

      Si to FREE Carles Puigdemont! (PoC President).

      Yes, people can make a difference, see.

      Nine days to go till OUR midnight.

      Hi Ross Thomson, a politician.

      21st century people can win!

      Ra people 2 ~ Rajoy 0.

      Here ra Joy,

      Nae joy,

      Ahoy!

      An frae that darkest hour… there came a good light at dawn.

      Does yer mama know…? Abba aye she sure knows it:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mymqkuwXcSU ayyye.

      SCOTLAND should be an independent country.

      Aye aye the nights are fair drawin’ out.

      A good M/T. “Anybuddy’s game.”

      Seasoned Greetings Scotland!

      Happy Holidays 2017 😉

      We own midnight.

      Always always.

      X.

      An inverted xmas tree by eye.

      Where’s the angel star?

      Europe.

      Now.

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