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The Appearance Of Propriety

Posted on May 29, 2023 by

Wait, has Nicola Sturgeon died? We didn’t see anything on the news.

Because there are only a limited number of possible reasonable explanations for why police wanting to find out what Nicola Sturgeon knew about something would ask people who aren’t Nicola Sturgeon.

(1) It simply hasn’t occurred to them to ask her directly.

(2) Someone or someones is/are protecting her.

(3) She is in fact the prime suspect and the investigating team want to make sure they have a comprehensive dossier at their fingertips before they question her, given that they have only a limited number of hours in law in which to do so, and that she has a notoriously poor memory.

As usual, we note that nobody has at this point been charged with any crime and we make no assertions that anybody is guilty of one.

We merely observe the fact that Nicola Sturgeon was ultimately in charge of the SNP (including its Chief Executive and National Treasurer), was a signatory to its accounts, and indeed was its treasurer herself for a short period before Douglas Chapman was replaced by Colin Beattie.

It would therefore be most peculiar indeed if she wasn’t even interviewed during a major investigation into the party’s finances, and the longer that state of affairs goes on the more people are going to start raising eyebrows about it and questioning either the integrity of Police Scotland, or who might be obstructing or interfering with its business.

We also note, without comment or implication, that the current Chief Constable, under whose auspices Operation Branchform has been taking place and who announced his resignation in February a few days after Nicola Sturgeon’s, will finally actually depart his office on 10 August, a little over two months from now.

At some point in the near future it’ll be interesting to note whether that date turned out, one way or another, to be a significant one.

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M Lindsay

I’m beginning to think they put Inspector Clouseau on the team. No wonder Scotland is in the state it’s in, if this is the best that can be done.

Karen

Swimming in a pool of her own tears. Perhaps we will wake (ha!) up and find it was all a dream. link to en.m.wikipedia.org

Scaredy Cat

You always want to have as much corroborated evidence as possible before interviewing your prime suspect.
Ideally you’ll only want to interview them once.

Red

Groundhog Nic has recently reappeared on social media, I assume that means she thinks she’s now safe.

Really, future generations will be amazed that we put up with our entire political system being bought out from under us, overrun with spivs, and turned into a weapon against the nation state. There are probably only a handful of people in Holyrood or Westminster who shouldn’t be in prison for crimes against the public.

They don’t work for us. They are actively working against us. Who will rescue democracy?

Rob

Wondering about dates ahead of us this summer, how might the accountants for the Westminster group be getting on?

Martin

I suspect option 3. Some people in the police may be involved in a cover up, but there’s only so far the rank and file would be willing to go along with that. Anonymous leaks would have happened by now.

Geoff Anderson

MI5 always look after their own!

Frank Gillougley

They didn’t bother with any show of Propriety re Alex Salmond. Can’t imagine why… Wait a minute, let me guess. – Corruption, is that it? Surely not!

Sven

Could it be that the signifigance of the August 2023 date for the CC’s retiral is purely administrative, as it was in August 2022 he agreed a renewal of his contract for 3 years.
I’m sure that his leaving post 2 years early, and his resignation going in during the same time period as the stepping down of Ms Sturgeon, Mr Swiney & Mr Murrell is entirely coincidental.
Nothing to see here.

Scot

Ideally you will only want to interview them once
/
Yes, but during the first interview you will put your evidence and they will give their account.
You will then go away and check that account, after which you will have to interview them again so as to record their response, etc.

Anroine. Bisset

The video mentioned was freely available on MSM sometime ago (2 weeks?). It appears that no one in the police noticed. Presumably one of the canteen staff mentioned it to the Chief Constable just last Friday,”say, Iain huv ye done onyhing aboot thon video whaur Nicola says they’d plenty o’ money? Ur ye wantin mair chips?”

“My, he left in a hurry. Wiz it something I said?”

Stephen O'Brien

Sturgeon, she’s untouchable.. ‘The Iron Lady’. Whoops! Preferred pronoun! M’Lud.

Dee

Agree with red. If telling porkies whilst in office was an indictable offence they would all be in clink.

A2

I just take from that that if she’s said “never been stronger” then at face value, she actually didn’t know anything about the accounts. Cunning 🙂

A2

“Could it be that the signifigance of the August 2023 date for the CC’s retiral is purely administrative,”

Probably pension conditions related.

Merganser

I think it is option (4): The COPF srvice have not authorised the police to approach her.

I am being careful with the words I use here, and won’t state the reasons which I think could be behind the decision.

I have little doubt that the police won’t take any action in this case without the COPF’s approval.

Daisy Walker

From the set up of the party (any party actually, or business), I suspect only about 3 or 4 people had access to the accounts, and the authority/responsibility/ability to spend money for things other than it was officially raised for.

They would all have corporate responsibility to raise objections and, if needs be, resign in protest, if it was spent for other things.

To me that speaks of multiple suspects, acting art and part.

If only one person ends up charged in situations of this type, the defence becomes, ‘it wasn’t me, it was them that done it’…. and if the ‘them that done it’ (hypothetically speaking) have become witnesses for the prosecution, as I understand it (and I’m working from memory, so I could be wrong), they cannot be prosecuted for the offence themselves.

From a practical perspective, if the person lowest in rank, turns evidence and spills all the beans, that is often the best way of getting all the intimate details of the case and thereafter a conviction.

But from a different perspective, if sufficient evidence is there, and there is a corporate collective of suspects, who were responsible to ensure such things did not happen, and none of them are willing to turn evidence, it would be a regular thing to happen that they are all prosecuted, as acting jointly, art and part.

I find it hard to see the above, long drawn out, protracted enquiry into this matter, in a positive light.

Wullie B

Well if the corruption is as high as the Chief Constable, but he gets out before it is discovered, then his pension is safe, don’t expect anything to come out before then

100%Yes

If Sturgeon has been aiding the British state, I can’t see any reason for the British state to continuing protecting her when she done her job

Ian McCubbin

She is being protected but knows a lot of what happened .
It’s time to put this all to bed and charge one of the key players.

Ian Brotherhood

Is ‘self-cancelling’ a thing?

Is that what she’s done? She simply airbrushed herself out of the story completely?

James Che

The UK has agreed to future pandemic lockdowns for All British people with the WHO. With imposed vaccine passports for control according to reporting from GMB news.

Being left wondering why an Island in the sea is going to lockdown local people while freedom to travel is gifted to migrants in boats to enter and move across Britain freely,
And Charlie aloud to pay visits with his entrouge to Scotland in the last pandemic,

The WHO have not been elected by anyone in Scotland,
But if you are attached to the rest of Britain then these rules were made for you.

My question is why would you allow a future planned pandemic on to a Island, is that because we do not control our borders after Brexit.

Confused

The wannabe novelist could start out with some “true crime”.

– write what you know, eh?

Bull-dikes can make good crime/thriller writers – Highsmith comes to mind (she was also a horrible person in real life, a psychopath); they seem to enjoy the sadism.

Nikki was so successful by being a control freak, which means knowing everything about everyone, and it all goes through her; no independent thinkers. Except – we are supposed to believe she is also at times – the biggest scatterbrain in Holyrood – “whit am I like … ahd forget ma ain heid … ”

– it doesn’t scan. Like a landlord I once had – his ability to speak English was dependent on whether or not you owed him money (late rent) or he owed you (deposit).

To use an SNP approved on-message terminology – she is “at it”.

There is an old vid of Nikki speaking/holding court, at no less a place than the Council for Foreign Relations, looking very sleek and in full command of the facts, talking to a high level audience, not tabloid journalists.

Maybe she will “do a Saunders”; Ernest Saunders dodged the Guinness fraud trial because he had dementia, but then recovered, the only person in the world to do so.

James Che

That we ( Scotland) are not in a treaty with the rest of Britain since 1707 appears to be correct.

James Che

1000, 800 Albanians broke their bail condition by cutting of ankle tags and fled into britain according to the Telegraph,
Will you be so lucky in future?

James Barr Gardner

Judas only sold out 1 man……….

James Che

Could a independent Scotland control its borders against a future spreading pandemic better than the Area around Dover?

Mia

Forget about Murrell and the Vietnam Group’s Whatsapp messages. Far more interesting ones would be those between the crown agents (2017-today) and Chief Constable. But, of course, the perfect picture would be having all the above plus the messages between the crown agent and the Sgov civil service.

There are still far too many questions needing an answer:

1. Who has been standing on the breaks of the SNP investigation and why?

2. Are those the same feet who actively pushed through Mr Salmond’s witch hunt?

3. Are they the same feet responsible for wasting millions of taxpayers pounds by devising a moreov strategy to give ridiculous charges a veneer of significance and a voice to perjurers?

4. Are they the same feet abusing power to forcefully suppress Whatsapp messages and government information about the complaints procedure which is highly interesting to the public and could have changed the outcome of the last 2021 election?

5. Who recruited the perjurers?

6. Who coordinated them?

7. Was the morove strategy planned before or after accusers were recruited?

8. What are the Whatsapp messages really hiding? Is it the brain behind that morove strategy? Is it the link between the COPFS, Civil SErvice and SNP? or is it proof the “victims” were not independent?

We will never find out if we stop asking.

James Che

According to a recent conversation with a blogger, we will not accept Scotland is not in a treaty of union because of?

FEAR.

The 2nd reason is because,
No independence group has made a plan around Scotland not being in a treaty since 1707.

Alf Baird

Red @ 10:57 am

“They don’t work for us. They are actively working against us.”

Yes, this is what we see in the ongoing actions and inactions of the colonial administration, and also as postcolonial theory confirms, which tells us that: the dominant national party elite ‘is co-opted’ by the colonial power; they ‘behave like a gang’; ‘become part of the racket’; take the independence movement ‘up a blind alley’; ‘rupture the movement’; becomes ‘an instrument of coercion’; ‘attacks the more radical elements’; etc.

The ex FM’s rumoured UN/international post requiring sanction by UK Gov may still be in play. That will be all the proof required, though hardly necessary given the fact that both current practice and established theory tend to confirm this administration “are actively working against” independence.

And that would seem to imply Rev’s scenario number (2).

James Che

On the evidence that Scotland is not in a treaty with Englands Westminster parliament since it was extinguished from the treaty in 1707 according to the UK parliament site,

Are we in a treaty with the WHO?

Jockanese Wind Talker

Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Act 2021

The provisions of the act include:

Inserting a Section 29B into the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 that creates a Criminal Conduct Authorisation (CCA) which allows undercover law enforcement agents or covert sources to break the law in the interests of national security, the wellbeing of the UK’s economy.

Keeping Scotland trapped in the Union is most definitely in the interests of “the wellbeing of the UK’s economy.”

So is there an Option 4?

Sturgeon is a “covert source” who has been given permission to “break the law” by someone, UK Gov, Crown Agent etc. and will not be questioned or charged as she has a get out of jail free card!

James Che

Here is a plan.

Change your message instead of begging.

Hold your banners high when that state we have not been in a treaty of union since 1707.

Tweet, email, tik tok, and use any method possible in this modern day and age to state we have not been in a treaty since 1707.

Demand and pressure all MSP to withdraw from Westminster as they are not in a treaty of union
since 1707.

That will be quicker than any Snp policy on independence.

Northcode

@Alf Baird 1:50pm

And that would seem to imply Rev’s scenario number (2).

Is it possible that if her public humiliation, and possible incarceration, suited a change in her protector’s current agenda, she’d be thrown to the wolves?

James Che

Alba should be leading the way here,
Some of there members are well aware Scotland has not been in a treaty of union since it was extinguished and dissolved from the treaty of the union in 1707,

It is unimaginable to think that Alba may have been infiltrated so soon by the same groups that destroyed the SNP from within.

stonefree

@ A2 at 12:23 pm
“if she’s said “never been stronger” she actually didn’t know anything about the accounts. Cunning”
Less than cunning and more than really damned stupid.
She lies to confirm key lie.
If anyone can follow my logic

James Che

Scotland can beg and bemoan its Colonisation or it can stop it within a year by acknowledging it is not in a treaty,

Fear may be the leading factor to prevent independence,
Even although you have legal evidence through the UK parliament site that you are not beholden to continue begging.

The UK parliament 2023 tell you, in their own words, that Scotland has not been in the treaty for the past 300 years

Andrew scott

Can i respectfully ask James Che to stick to the article upon which is being commented on
His post on this article are completely off message and frankly getting a bit boring

Andrew scott

Hopefully police are closing in on mrs Murrell
Taking an age tho

James Che

Besides Alba and the SNP deliberately ignoring this information on the UK parliament site , that the treaty ended as soon as it begun in 1707
One wonders how many other Scottish independent groups want or prefer the long road to Scottish independence whilst imitating support to the end goal.

Are their many Snp clones in these groups?

John C

Because there are only a limited number of possible reasonable explanations for why police wanting to find out what Nicola Sturgeon knew about something would ask people who aren’t Nicola Sturgeon.

(1) It simply hasn’t occurred to them to ask her directly.

(2) Someone or someones is/are protecting her.

(3) She is in fact the prime suspect and the investigating team want to make sure they have a comprehensive dossier at their fingertips before they question her, given that they have only a limited number of hours in law in which to do so, and that she has a notoriously poor memory.

Option 1 isn’t possible as I imagine there are people who’ve been wanting to question her but are, I assume, being guided away from doing that. So options 2 and 3 are what’s happening here but there needs to be some transparency here as to just who has been covering for her.

I can’t imagine someone not being questioned when their husband is arrested and questioned if only to ensure you’ve got their answers on record.

It is still extraordinary that in the last six years especially, Scotland has become such a corrupt, failed state where a former FM is even close to a major scandal let alone being married to the person at the heart of it. The failure of all of Scotland’s institutions is astonishing.

James Che

The back ground of Stu’d site is support for Scottish independence,
Stu has and does create topics to try make the people of Scotland think for themselves, he enlightens us with his posts over gender issues, the missing funds money, over oil, over statistics and created two books for the Scottish people to grow a pair.

It seems odd that you suggest Stu would suddenly tell Scots to stop thinking and remain solely attached to his thoughts in a narrow ally.

But I suppose if you want to try cancel culture to the way forward for Scottish independence….

Beth

They can’t just wind up the investigation if the money is still unaccounted for fraud can’t be ruled out . Did NS just trust her husband, saw no need to check the accounts? Maybe she doesn’t understand finance? Why did she ask Beattie back when the new one resigned? She just liked him ? Maybe, but, moving on. A very expensive camper van parked in her mother in laws drive? surely she must have visited the “ vulnerable” 93 year old in two years? Even if she didn’t, other members of his family would surely have mentioned the camper van in conversation.
“ whose is it”. “ its lovely” “ why has it never moved?” etc.

why did the CEO and Treasurer resign? better them than her? Too many questions without answers. Not a good sign.

James Jones

James Che, Scotland has been a willing participant in the Union for over 300 years. If there was any mileage in the idea that 1707 was invalid, that time is well past. Please stop repeating it. It’s irrelevant and not a route to independence.

James Che

Many Scots have passed away that used to comment on here that never saw their wish come true,
Behind there unstinting hard work for many years they leave behind them, us,
Many who thought outside the box, many great minds sadly missed that spoke their minds without abusing each other or attempting cancel culture.

Lets continue their hard work and speak up. And bring to light their dream for our sake and for the generations that will follow us.

To safe protect them against gender dystopia,, to protect womens rights, to prevent men being falsely imprisoned on rape charges while having no jury.

Andrew Scott I do not apologise for my comments if it brings Scottish people freedom from oppression, dictatorship and injustices.

If Stu wants us to quit thinking for ourselves, while maintaining his code of conduct I am sure he will say so,

Mia

“Is it possible that if her public humiliation, and possible incarceration, suited a change in her protector’s current agenda, she’d be thrown to the wolves?”

I doubt it. Whatever entity is protecting her must be in doodoo up to its eyebrows too and she would just have to open her mouth to land them on the shit.

Just look at the entities directly or indirectly involved in all her shennaningans since Mr Salmond’s case: COPFS, police, the courts, the press, the SNP executive, the civil service. The COPFS is still sitting right in the middle of the cabinet blocking bills from entering Holyrood and making a complete mockery of democracy. There appears to be an awful lot of dodgy and unexpected links around those entities that should not be there at all in a functioning democracy.

Who has the power to orchestrate such links and collusion between so disparate entities?

From this perspective, it seems the protection of this political fraud has been going on since at least the Holyrood inquiry and for what look like very obvious reasons: damage limitation to the BE and preservation of the power dynamics in Holryood after the 2021 election.

Her demise at that point would mean Mr Salmond catapulted to the front line again, something rather inconvenient for the British state at a time the SNP held an absolute majority of Scotland’s MP seats.

It is my view the whole thing is about who controls that anti-union MP majority, hence the urgency to have the continuity candidate catapulted to the post of FM.

I suspect we will not see any more development until the next GE is on the horizon and she can be used as ammunition to move more of our anti-union seats under unionist control.

I am guessing that, by that time, she will be far away from police reach in some plum job conveniently created for her. Maybe, just like Jacinta Ardem, she will become the trustee of some prince or another’s charity.

Oneliner

Tractor Livingstone I presume.

Geoff Anderson

Does anyone read the posts of James Che?……No!, me neither.
His shift will be over soon.

Grendel

James Che’s cuntributions are making this thread unreadable. Please gie it a bye, eh?

James Che

The Deviance of the Snp and greens while thwarting Scottish independence is the topic, the falsehoods of injustices and legal matters is the topic,
And in the same vein of legal matters it comes to our attention that the SNP knew their was no treaty of union, but they have led the Scots to falsely believe up a blind ally, that there was.

To me there is no line between the (Snp)s other breaches of law that Stu has bought to light and this legal matter of not being in a treaty of union with England, they have lied to us about both,

The Snp and parties of devolved government are not here to gain Scottish independence. Or for the Snp to stay unquestionably on the right side of legal matters apparently.

So legal debate on a non existent treaty of union topic is well within legal matters that the Snp have failed ( us) the Scottish people on,

Mia

“The failure of all of Scotland’s institutions is astonishing”

Indeed. But the question we should be asking ourselves is who is controlling all those institutions and causing them to fail and why.

What on earth is an unelected representative of the crown doing right in the middle of an allegedly democratic government cabinet, acting as the gatekeeper for whatever bills enter parliament and make it to the body of Scots’ law? If this is not raw colonialism and a complete mockery of democracy, what is.

Why does Scotland have a “crown agent” but England and Wales do not?

According to Wikipedia, crown agencies were administrative bodies of the British empire reporting directly to (and wholly owned by) the crown. So what is the real role of this crown agent and what on earth are they doing in the middle of our prosecution service?

Grendel

James Che’s c*ntributions are making this thread unreadable. Please gie it a bye, eh?

Ian Smith

Of course if her claim is that she really knew next to nothing about finances, yet she used her influence at the NEC to shut down all oversight based on her knowledge of the finances, nothing at all will happen.

Nobody will kick her out. Companies House or the Charity Commission or whoever regulates the entity won’t take any action over the governorship of the party.

It will be just like the Salmond enquiry. No charges taken to claim nothing happened.

James Che

I would presume that there will be people that want a ensured long slow path to Scotland’s independence, perhaps years away if at all.

For if you offer a legal obvious way out, they want to close comments down, to try attempt gaining back up and support from others to o so,
A well managed tactic to alienate.
But here the problem them trying to stall Scotland from becoming independent.

I and others know that when you are above the target…
They screech rather too loud,

And attempt a cancel culture move,

So what is it about this subject that they try gather everyone else around them support, to close doors and rank on.

Mmm is it a legal matter, is it true that Scotland has not been attached to the treaty of union since 1707.

Judging by the high pitched squealing and calls to repeatedly close the topic,
Judging by their preference to divert from the topic to talk of any other subject but 1707,
Judging by the way they lead us on a merry dance away from the treaty of union.

All of Scotland should be paying much more attention as to being over the target, for the way forward to Scotlands independence.
Well those that are genuine any way.

David Hannah

I don’t understand accounting. I don’t understand how the SNP have been allowed to sign off their cooked books with the dental accounting firm that can’t sign off their own accounts.

Who gets to see the books? Should the public in the name of transparency? Or the UK Government, before they hand them £1.5 Millon. With the active police investigation into massive scale fraud?

I don’t think so. And one more thing. Where’s the missing 600k Nicola?

Astonished

The stench of corruption all over the place is getting unbearable.

The longer you take to make arrests – The worse it’s going to be for you all.

James Che

I am seeing and others i am sure recognise the people trying to thwart the subject that would instantly lead to Scotlands independence,
Simple.

The people of Scotland nor its Country are not in a treaty with the old Westminster parliament since it was extinguished and dissolved from 1707 onwards , the UK parliament say so, Scotland has been deceived.

We do not or have not ever entered into a treaty of union with the British parliament.
We do not or have not ever entered into a treaty of union with the UK parliament.

Squeal all you like, try cancel culture all you like
These are the legal facts.

but unionist minded people see this as a horror movie for the union. But it is what it is.
A Westminster parliament Statement regarding the status quo of the non existent Scotland in the treaty of union,

100%Yes

Hello Hello what been happening here then?

I just thought I’d lighten the mood.

tolkein

I think that the Police have been reading Wings. At least that shows some signs of intelligence with the whole corrupt lot of them.

James Che

Grendel.

It personally appears that you may be pretending to want Scottish independence, perhaps the longest route there that you could think of,

My suggestion is legal, no heads bashed in, no violence.

Because it was the Westminster parliament that ended the Treaty of union in 1707.

Not Scotland. In 2023

It Was Queen Anne that ended the Treaty of union in 1707,

Not Scotland. In 2023.

It was Englands government that ended the treaty of union in 1707, Not the Devolved government in 2023.

Scotland had no choice, the Scots had no choice, it had nothing to do with us at the present time.
We did not extinguish the Scottish parliament and kingdom from the treaty of union,
Westminster did.
It states this on the UK parliament site.

And to bring this annulled and voided treaty of union issue up to date.
The English Westminster parliament can not legally challenge a dissolved extinguished 1707 Scottish parliament for breach of the treaty of union, that the Scottish parliament iwas extinguished from in 1707. Can it now 300 years later.

Scotland is not independent because Scotland won any legal battle with Westminster,

Scotland is independent because Westminster itself Extinguished Scotland from the treaty of union in 1707. And to ensure it did not take its place in Westminster Queen Anne then dissolved the Scottish parliament in England from the treaty of union in 1707.
Done and dusted so to speak. Wipe palms of hands together.

ITS BORING, ITS A NIGHTMARE. BUT ACCURATE NONTHELESS.

David Hannah

The Two Davies. Laughing away saying the accounts have been signed off. And Murray Foote “is right.” He always my deletes my comments. They are deluded. They think the accounts are signed off. And there’s nothing to see here.

Jamie Hepburn says that movement of don’t make political change. What about the Berlin Wall says Yvonne Ridley?

The Independence Convention that no one else is invited to. The 1 day convention. They want to run the next election on SNP only. Then talk about Independence after. That’s the game plan.

The UK Government would be idiots to hand the SNP money. The books are cooked. By fraudsters. Cooked books.

Alf Baird

Northcode @ 2:13 pm

“thrown to the wolves?

As per Mia @ 3.18, events appear to closely correspond with colonial reality and postcolonial theory.

David Hannah

The movement of people. Doesn’t make political change according to Jamie Hepburn.

The SNP deserve to be removed in entirety after they conclude that Independence won’t be on the agenda until after they are re-elected.

Withold the £1.5 million. You can’t give that kind of money away when an active police investigation is underway into massive scale fraud.

They’ve been drinking too much deludamol over at Jacksons Entry.

Dramfineday

It would be interesting if any of the legal eagles that read this site would venture a comment on whether or not they consider the length of time take to reach this stage in the proceedings is inordinate.

Chum of mine has been waiting 5 years to appear as a witness in a fraud case…..just got his notification of trial recently.

Chas

I note that more and more posters are calling out the pish regurgitated by Che umpteen times every day.
Che’s response…………………… post more pish!
Add Baird’s monotonous ‘colonialism’ crap and you have the perfect recipe for putting any newcomers to Wings ‘off’ for good.

At least the nutters are on here posting their drivel and not out on the streets creating havoc. Mind you, neither of them would last 5 minutes ‘preaching’ to the general public.

Sturgeon is being protected………………….for now. It cannot last.

Lenny Hartley

It should be noted that Craig Murray in his submission to the UN , states that Sturgeon has already been interviewed by the Police in this matter.

Northcode

@Alf Baird 5:09pm

Thanks, Alf .

I missed Mia’s post somehow. Have read it now, though. So thanks to you, too, Mia.

I expected that would be the case, but thought I’d ask the question anyway. Get some other views.

James Che

Unionist minded people are indeed calling historical records as pish, because it does not fit into their agenda, it is failure to hold Scotland in a union,
Perpetrated by Westminster itself, not by Scotland or the Scots.

Tinto Chiel

Mia 3.41: “Why does Scotland have a “crown agent” but England and Wales do not?

According to Wikipedia, crown agencies were administrative bodies of the British empire reporting directly to (and wholly owned by) the crown. So what is the real role of this crown agent and what on earth are they doing in the middle of our prosecution service?”

Now that is a very good question.

I’m presuming, like The King’s and Lord Treasurer’s Remembrancer in the House of Commons, it’s there to safeguard the interests of The Crown and not those of the proles.

*This just in*

Wikipedia (health warning) says that in Scotland the office of TKaLTR is filled by the Crown Agent, the Head of the Crown Office and the Procurator Fiscal Service.

All for own own good, obviously. That’s a relief.

James Che

My posts certainly defines who wants the union to be real and forever lasting to hold the Scots
From the Scots who want independence.
It is good to shine a light on these people., bots or trolls whatever heading they may come under.
Some of those also protested that indigenous Scots should not be the only voters in a Scottish referendum.

That does not alter the legal position of Scotland and Scots having been omitted from the treaty of union since 1707.

Personal attacks does not alter or change the legal facts that Scots are not in a treaty of union.

twathater

I would like to see an opinion or guidance from the likes of Gordon Dangerfield as to how long this TRAVESTY of justice is taking , is it normal for the COPFS to refuse and delay permission for a search warrant for a couple of weeks , thus allowing POSSIBLE EVIDENCE of outright criminality to either be destroyed or relocated to a safe location away from the legal search

Is it normal for a C.O.P. to sign an employment contract extension for an additional 2 years and all of a sudden realise he has somewhere else to be and tenders his resignation

WHY is Dorothy Bain STILL allowed to be a part of the cabinet when it has been shown repeatedly that it is a CONFLICT OF INTEREST, WHY are the unionist parties not joining together to DEMAND a stop to this egregious practice
Surely there must be people within the justice system that are outraged at the apparent lack of honesty and integrity in our legal institutions , this must also apply to our police force whose uncoordinated and mismanaged attempts to act professionally in the pursuit of criminality renders them looking like a very bad version of the KEYSTONE COPS without the humour

Surely there must be sufficient evidence to identify the source of the ILLEGAL sharing of information to the daily record reporter, there are only so many people who could have had access to the information , why is prosecution not taking place against a perjuror who DELIBERATELY LIED

WHERE is the £600,000 ring fenced referendum donations, donations that were elicited from ALL INDEPENDENCE SUPPORTERS NOT exclusively snp members, WHY are non snp members but donors having to wait for justice

London Scott

Lenny Hartley says:
29 May, 2023 at 5:43 pm
It should be noted that Craig Murray in his submission to the UN , states that Sturgeon has already been interviewed by the Police in this matter.

There was that mystery trip with two people a few weeks ago when she was driven from home to a mystery destination. Were they the Polis?

Given that she was one of the 3 responsible officers who signed off the accounts, and was even in the interregnum between Chapman resigning and Beattie being re-appointed, the party treasurer it beggars belief that she was not aware of and indeed and active participant in whet was happening. Indeed she had a legal and fiduciary duty to be aware and ask questions and cannot play the “Aah, I am a fluffy brained wee lass and just signed the accounts because my husband told me so.”

As somewhat who worked in procurement I am interested in what procedures were in place at SNP HQ for ordering goods and services. If I wanted to place a purchase order I had to produce a numbered order which went onto the accounts system. (New suppliers we had to do credit and other checks on – and have them signed off as a supplier by a Director.) I could authorise stuff up to £200, between that and £5,000 my boss had to sign the order, over that amount the boss and a Director – I would be grilled on large value orders. When goods came into the warehouse they were checked and against the Despatch Note and Purchase Order by warehouse staff and their manager. The invoice would be sent to the Accounts Dept, who would forward it to me for payment approval. I would have to supply the order and delivery details – and again if high value get the invoice counter signed by senior colleagues before it was paid.

So we are talking about 2 levels of staff in procurement, 2 in the warehouse, book keepers and clerks in the Accounts Dept and Company Directors, all aware of what had been purchased. Everything logged on a computer system – even 40 years ago.

How can only 2 or 3 people be aware of the purchase of the motorhome and other items? Did they not have systems in place, book keeping staff etc? The Auditors did refer to the high number of manual book entries. One can only conclude that the SNP was being run as some mafia enterprise with official computer and unofficial paper entries.

James Che

JUSTICE and JUDICIAL.

Scottish criminal Cases review Commission.
Web WWW. SCCRC. Co . UK.

Judicial Appointments board for Scotland, recommendations for appointment to the first minister.
The successful applicant will be contacted by the Lord president including under Royal Warrant, and is forwarded to the Palace, And announced by HM after they have signed the Royal Warrant of appointment.

There is the Crown in Scots law.

Chic McGregor

Just listening to Ali Minaj on LBC it was quite interesting.
The main story was the latest sleaze allegations, small beer in financial terms, it was to do with MPs claiming on expenses for parking fines.
However the more major aspect of it was how it was yet again, glaringly indicative of how elected representatives consider themselves to be entitled to ignore the normal rules which the rest of us feel are right and proper to obey.

There were 3 Tory MPs (no surprise there) but unfortunately and dissappointingly my own MP in Angus whose name or party was fortunately not aired on the programme was a fourth culprit.

But the interesting thing was two of the phone ins. The first, whose name I don’t remember, was obviously someone with experience of Westminster. His robustly put line was that Ali Minaj should not be pointing fingers because if he had been successful when he was a candidate he also would have changed out of all recognition within a year of being exposed to the rarified atmosphere of Westminster. Ali Minaj refuted that saying he knows lots of MPs who remain dedicated public servants and honest in their claims.

However a couple of calls later, another caller made, much more politely, the same point.

It set me wondering, how real an effect is that? Is it almost a given that MPs will become seduced by the entrenched ‘culture’ of Westminster?

If so, it might explain a lot about the current state of the SNP.

While

Iain mhor

I’m going with the the MC Hammer directive:
U can’t touch this.

“It’s always a dame” Marlowe sighed; he almost had a watertight case, but had already been up against City Hall, and the SG’s office was riding him hard “We don’t want no rooftop showdown Marlowe, just finger Flatfoot Sam, and walk away”

Marlowe sat in his dingy, downtown office, sulking. They were always looking for some patsy to take the fall, but Marlowe was damned if he was going to be under him when he landed.

“That kinda papework don’t come cheap, or easy, and some of the boys will want their cut, or they’ll start singing” he worried “This will take more than the word of a two- bit stoolie, that dame is high class”

He was reaching reflexively for the bottle he kept in the bottom drawer, when his eyes lit on an unmarked envelope lying on the dirty, and decrepit parquet floor.
“Must have dropped from the pile of the usual” he mused. Sweeping unopened rent demands, and dry cleaning bills from his coffee stained, cherrywood desk, he proceeded to tear the mysterious envelope with the edge of nicotine stained finger.

“Damn!” he exclaimed “The goddam L.A Noir! I’d recognise that tortured cursive anywhere – why is it always the dames?” He scanned the missive with a practiced eye, it was all here, laid out in precise detail.

“This will cost more than a months rent to pull together, but it could be done” he admitted, then chuckled wryly “Damn it’s fiendish! Gotta hand it to the dames, they aint just angels with pretty faces, they’re devils with dragnets when they’re after new boots, and panties”

He squinted again at the letter, something caught his eye “Well, well! If that aint the icing on the donut!” he exclaimed, as he held the now greasy manilla, to the grimy, fly-specked window of his low rent office – the only honest light in his dim life.

It was there, barely legible, but it was still there! Marlowe’s fingers, still oily from cleaning his snub-nose 38, after a particularly awkward meeting with his hedge fund manager, had rendered the letter translucent at the corner.

As Marlowe squinted, the sad, sodium glow of the streetlamp outside, insinuated itself into the gloom of his garret, revealing the faint sigil of a crown, and not just any crown.
“He better remember this!” spat Marlowe, “It’s in his goddamm title, and I’ll damn sure make him remember!”

Marlowe, closed the broken blinds viciously, shoved the letter deep in the pocket of his battered trenchcoat, patted the friendly bulge at his hip, and locking the door of his office one final time, headed out into the cleansing rain, and the cloaking night.

Alf Baird

Chas @ 5:37 pm

“Baird’s monotonous ‘colonialism’ crap”

How would you explain the relationship between England and Scotland?

Northcode

@Iain mhor 6:44pm

I’m liking the style of your comment there, Iain. 🙂

James Jones

James Che at 6:10 pm.
“That does not alter the legal position of Scotland and Scots having been omitted from the treaty of union since 1707.”

I don’t think it means what you think it means. You should take it to an expert. Did Scots make the same claim as you in 1707? Has the matter been raised by lawyers or historians? Why has no one raised it in either Parliament? The idea hasn’t had any support from here as far as I can tell, certainly not in terms of advancing the independence movement in 2023. You’re a lone voice and there must be a reason for that. Could it be that you’re wrong?

Xaracen

James Che, we are still in the Treaty of Union because despite the many breaches of its terms by Westminster and the English establishment that runs it, we the sovereign Scots have not yet taken and declared any formal decision to tell the English partner of the Union that the Union is over because of those breaches. Until we do that, the Treaty is still formally in effect.

There have been many more breaches than the vast majority of Scots have ever heard of, because the English establishment has spent centuries gaslighting the Scots about Westminster’s rights and authority in the Union that it says Scotland agreed to, and have taken many liberties they were never entitled to.

One of my hobby horses is that much of Westminster’s UK legislation is fundamentally fraudulent because it assumes that England’s MPs can pass UK legislation on their own without requiring the approval of the Scotland’s MPs. Given that there are two sovereign partners in the Union, this asymmetry is unwarranted, unjustifiable, and unacceptable, and any such legislation is ultra vires since Union legislation requires Union approval, and England’s MPs on their own cannot and do not represent the Union, they can only represent the English partner in the Union. The same argument also applies to the Scot MPs.

On top of that, both partners are fully sovereign equals, so neither has any right to overrule the other, nor the other’s MPs, even with a majority vote, unless the Treaty explicitly permitted it, at least for some matters. Of course, the Treaty does not.

Westminster’s governance has been abusive and unlawful, and has breached the terms of the Treaty on many occasions, denied the sovereignty of Scotland as often, denied the authority, and even existence, of Scotland’s constitution, and treated Scotland’s territory and its many resources as its own, despite clear legal distinctions between the two kingdoms land ownership systems.

All of those things are clearly more than sufficient to warrant the Scots tossing the Treaty in the bin and torching it, and sue the English establishment for compensation and reparations, and the return of all the wealth and territory it has unlawfully hijacked. But we haven’t done that, and nothing will change until we do.

A Scot Abroad

James Che,

if you are so convinced about your assertions about Scotland’s constitition, the “fact” that Queen Anne dissolved both the Scottish parliament and the Treaty of Union, etc with all of the other ancient guff that you spout, why don’t you take it to an Advocate and get her or him to take a case to the Court of Session? Because just merely posting your assertions endlessly on WoS doesn’t really move the needle. And I haven’t noticed anybody else in Scottish public life making any of your points.

Andrew scott

Question
Does James Che have a life other than boring us senseless?
Asking for ALL of us

James Che

Sneaky crown in the Westminster devolved government to Scotland, through the back door to Scots laws by appointment of the Crown.

The Crown is recognised as a Corporation.
State- owned Enterprise (SOE) is a government entity which was established/nationalised in order to earn profit,
The national Government has a majority ownership, They are also known as Public Sector undertakings in some countries,
Wether municipally owned corporations and enterprises held by regional public bodies are considered state-owned, since governments can also own regular stock,
The term enterprise is challenged as it implies Statues in private law, and so the term “Corporation ” is frequently used instead, and often uses the term ” Crown Corporation” or Crown Entity” Ministers of the Crown ) often control the shares in them,
( ie) stocks Scotland Act:
The act of of a government part of Bureaucracy into a SOE is called Corporization,
Hence many of the Council or other public services are Corporations controlled by government under the Crown,
The Crown Corporation and the Crown Entity are for profit,
The Crown Estates is a Corporation.
The Bank of England is a corporation,
Most of the government are a Corporation.

The Crown in Scotland and interfering in Scots laws through appointment to a Devolved Scottish Government, which also is a Corporation is Colonialism at its best.

Andrew scott

@james che
BORING
PLEASE STOP

James Che

Alf ,Baird,
Chas,

How do you explain the relationship with Scotland and England,

Indeed, no treaty and no authority other than Colonisation of Scotland.

James Che

Andrew Scott,

Ha ha haa,

The Whites of your eyes are showing when you roll them.

Fear from the other side for a change.

Johnlm

Although it is claimed that the Cestui Qui Vie Act of 1666 is no longer extant, it seems to be the basis of all the Laws enacted subsequently.

A Scot Abroad

Xaracen,

you seem to confuse a treaty (a rather over-taken by events treaty, at that) with democracy. Democracy wins, every time.

There’s nothing to stop the Westminster parliament from passing a law to the effect that the ancient guff about Scotland is irrelevant. Given the endless droning on about the ancient guff on WoS, some bright spark MP might actually step up to propose that as a bill. I think it’s merely out of concern for James Che’s mental health that they haven’t yet done so.

James Che

Xaracen.

We are not still in the treaty of union due to breaches that may or may not have been done by Westminster later on.

We are not in the treaty of union from the very beginning due to the Westminster parliament and Queen Anne dissolving and Extinguishing Scotlands parliament out of the treaty of union therefore dissolving and extinguishing the very treaty between Scotland and England.

The breaches / errors that Westminster made later may be added if the treaty of union had concluded, that two parliaments joined together to create the British parliament.
But as we see that did not happen.
One was dissolved and extinguished while there is ample evidencethat the other continued.

There was no union of parliament.

It is the very beginning that is of the upmost importance to Scotland not what came afterwards.
The union failed legally.
We are left with nothing more than a concept,

JimuckMac

Whatever happened to the Ann Gloag proceedings? Has there been a date for trial yet?

JimuckMac

She would, wouldn’t she.

link to ukdaily.news

Northcode

@James Che

I’m reading your posts, James. So as far as I’m concerned you can keep them coming

If you start to bore me I’ll use a little known technical skill called ‘scrolling’.

In my book all, reasonably expressed, views are welcome. And I’ll make up my own mind as to whether I agree with them or not.

And if I don’t, I’ll say why I don’t – if I can be bothered.

I wouldn’t just say someone is talking rubbish and leave it hanging.

That’s no counter-argument at all.

John Main

@Xaracen says:29 May, 2023 at 7:03 pm

One of my hobby horses is that much of Westminster’s UK legislation is fundamentally fraudulent because it assumes that England’s MPs can pass UK legislation on their own without requiring the approval of the Scotland’s MPs

Good point.

Now what about this one?

A WM party, commanding an overall majority, but only because it has, say 50-odd Scottish MPs, passing legislation that affects England?

I am not seeing how this is much different TBQH. So, can the English sue Scotland for those occasions (and there have been many, particularly under Labour WM administrations) when it was Scottish MPs that granted the overall majority for policies that had a minority of support among English MPs.

Dorothy Devine

Well said Northcode.It seems there are those incapable of scrolling past because they have the concentration of a goldfish or are just having a wee tantrum to distract from debate and discussion.

James Jones

Dorothy Devine at 8:24 pm
“Well said Northcode.It seems there are those incapable of scrolling past because they have the concentration of a goldfish or are just having a wee tantrum to distract from debate and discussion.”

Actually, just scrolling past would be to avoid debate and discussion, wouldn’t it.

Charles (not the R one)

James Che says:
29 May, 2023 at 7:21 pm

Alf ,Baird,
Chas,

How do you explain the relationship with Scotland and England,

Indeed, no treaty and no authority other than Colonisation of Scotland.
……………………….

James Che, you can ignore this contribution because, you unique among the population of Scotland, know you are right.

If history from 320 years ago matters, then the rest of “Wings” followers might like to remind themselves (as I just did) of the reasons WHY at that time, those running Scotland decided that union with England was AT THAT TIME about the only available way to alleviate the catastrophic mess that Scotland was in, especially financially. The DARIEN SCHEME had wasted (lost forever)about 20% of the total wealth of Scotland, right down to household level. No country could survive that, and the other circumstances of the international politics of the time did nothing to help Scotland.

Moreover, England was pretty fed up with centuries of wars with the Scots, and so all in all, the Union took place. The terms at the time were quite favourable to the Scots. Apart from the Jacobite rebellions 1715 and 1745, there were no more home-grown wars on British soil.

And just in case anyone suggests the Jacobites wanted Scottish independence restored, nothing could be further from the truth. Just as a matter of historical interest the Jacobites had no quarrel with the Union. Their objective was not separation, but to replace the Stewart dynasty on the throne of the UNITED Kingdom.

But it was all 300 years ago . . . sigh . . .

The question is, what are we going to do for our Country tomorrow?

Andrew scott

jmes che will kill this blog
Com-on stu do something

Charles (not the R one)

John Main writes
“A WM party, commanding an overall majority, but only because it has, say 50-odd Scottish MPs, passing legislation that affects England?”

John
My recollection is that there was an ‘understanding’ at Westminster, whereby Scottish MPs didn’t vote on issues that affected only England. This was known as “The West Lothian Question”.

Perhaps someone can remind us of the current status of this.

Someone will know

John Main

Innarestin article by Irvine Welsh on Unherd: The Betrayal Of White, Working-Class Men. Here’s a wee quote:

The biggest indictment you can offer our current dystopia is that we’ve created a society where the old pity the young. That’s just not right

That certainly rang true for me.

Mixed reviews BTL. For some reason, a lot of posters take exception to all the fucking swearing.

Myself, I don’t see the fucking problem.

James Che

North Code

That is refreshing commentary from some who’s intellect is high on my list along a few others.

It can become slightly boring though having to keep repeating it for a good while now, however all that is required is for people to have the same attitude as your self of a enquiring open mind to go check it out for themselves,

And if they find the records wanting then to come back with a sound arguement for disagreeing,

No one has yet,

My schooling years was appalling and abusive, so I skipped many subjects, like others I was also strapped for not Speaking the Majesties English just to add to the mix,

So I sat reading books as much as possible to catch up,
if someone as semi illiterate as myself with a enquiring mind can find this information on parliament sites and in historical records
It begger’s believe that well educated people many whom went on to university do not want to learn or know about history in its context,

It there theybhave a choice to learn,
Thanks for your support and willing to learn, then make a judgement for yourself

John Main

@ Charles (not the R one) says:29 May, 2023 at 9:16 pm

My understanding of “The West Lothian Question” is that it is the opposite to what you write.

It is English MPs unable to vote on matters affecting Scotland (because of devolution). But Scottish MPs continuing to vote on matters affecting England in WM.

But you need to read my post again. I wrote say 50-odd Scottish MPs, passing legislation that affects England

I didn’t write legislation that affects ONLY England.

[Maybes I need to write better]

I meant a WM majority, where numerically, that majority exists because of a tranche of Scottish WM MPs, passing UK legislation, although the majority of English MPs are opposed.

That has happened in the past, under Labour, back in the day when Scots unthinkingly voted Labour, and before recent times, when Scots unthinkingly vote SNP.

Alf Baird

James Che @ 7:15 pm

“The Crown in Scotland and interfering in Scots laws through appointment to a Devolved Scottish Government, which also is a Corporation is Colonialism at its best.”

Yes, the movement are gradually figuring out that independence means decolonization; this is obscured because a colonial society is a calcified and Manichean world, ‘a people’ existing between ‘two psychical and cultural realms’.

Iain mhor

@Northcode 6:55pm

Cheers, just something daft to lift the mood.

James Che

Charles ( not the R one)

As you point out historical records matter.
However selective historical records lead you down a very different path to reality.

The union did not proceed as you claim,

Please read up on further records to finish your sentence.
The union was extinguished due to Westminster extinguishing the Scottish parliament from the treaty with the England parliament in 1707.
And Queen Anne then dissolved the Scottish parliament in England by proclamation.

Since both those acts took place in Westminster in 1707 there has been no Scottish parliament or representatives of the Scottish parliament able to sit in Westminster parliament.
As it ( Scotlands Parliament) Being extinguished and dissolved.

This leaves only Westminster parliament as the British parliament by self proclamation.

There can be no parliamentary treaty of union between a extinguished 1707;Scottish parliament and the English Westminster parliament.
Only one parliament proceeded forward.

The concept of a possible union in 1707 between the two Countries is all that remains,
As many point out here time and again the monarch is not Sovereign in Scotland, the Scots are.
What the monarch did in 1707 actually helps us,
As she only dissolved the Scottish parliament from the treaty of union, she did not have the Sovereignty to close the Scottish parliament in Scotland.
And did not do so, it was Sine Die’d in Scotland.

James Che

Historical records in there context still matter today to Westminster more than Scotland, as it is Westminster that harks back time and again to protect a union it self dismantled,

But non the less, has it as a “reserved matter” in the Scotland act,

So history goes as far back as Westminster wants it to go,
It does not want the Scots to go far that far back, as to when Westminster extinguished and dissolved the union with Scotland.

It likes to make history up for Scots, then ignores the records wrote down in their own parliament,
And then just for a laugh tells everyone including the rest of the world, on its own parliament site Westminster extinguished the Scottish parliament from the treaty in 1707.

A Scot Abroad

Alf Baird,

still banging on uselessly about Scotland being a colony? That’s A grade muppetry, and the farthest thing from the truth. Scots have had, and taken, endless opportunities to make fame and fortune around the world because of the 1707 union. It’s only the miserable incompetents who sat back in Scotland and bred a nation of whining offspring that perpetuate your total tosh about Scotland being a colony.

James Jones

James Che, how do you propose the independence movement should use this revelation, if at all?

James Che

Alf Baird.

Eloquently said,

We are between two realms of reality at the moment in more ways than one,

It took many repeated efforts on STU’s part to awaken us to the SNP,

I hope To have his tenacity to keep going until many others open their eyes to reality and start questioning what Scotlands legal position is,

As you say, at the moment I can only see Scotland under Colonisation, for I cannot find a extinguished Scottish parliament in the treaty of union,
Perhaps Scotland is the ultimate flag of Colonisation that could be found and put before the world. The UN, the EU, and all the other nations,
For we (Scotland) do not even hold a treaty for them do not abide by.

Northcode

@Iain mhor 9:58pm

Not daft. Smart.

Using the perfect story to make your point was a slick move.

Exactly the way a smooth talking private detective would make theirs. 🙂

And it lifted my mood at the same time. Clever stuff, Iain.

James Che

Scot Abroad.

Please provide prove evidence there was a parliamentary union that proceeded and therefore the union of two realms,

While taking note the Scots are sovereign in Scotland, not the Monarch.
Monarch of England, monarch of Scots! For as long as Scots agree to have that monarch,
And the monarch is not Monarch of the territory of Scotland.

Xaracen

John Main said;
“A WM party, commanding an overall majority, but only because it has, say 50-odd Scottish MPs, passing legislation that affects England?

I am not seeing how this is much different TBQH.”

You are missing the point, I think; a Union majority requires a majority from its English MPs and a separate majority from its Scottish MPs, meaning that both of the Union’s two partners have agreed to pass the legislation. If one Union partner disagrees, the other Union partner will just have to lump it, even if he has an overall majority, because 1, on his own he doesn’t represent the Union, he just represents one half of it, and 2, he has no actual authority over the other partner, and therefore has no authority over the other partner’s MPs.

The fact that both Treaty Principals are also fully and equally sovereign makes the distinction between the two bodies of MPs explicit and absolute.

Your scenario is not different, it is just as bad as my scenario for precisely the same reasons. Given the huge disparity in MP numbers though, the Scots get by far the worst of the majoritarian abuse in that place.

Westminster’s internal voting system has to be properly reformed to require dual majority voting, on Scotland/England lines.

James Che

Say it on the banners, say it at marches tweet it , facebook it, sing it,
independence where politicians in Scotland have failed us,
Encourage others to look at the textual recorded history on The UK’s own parliament site.
And in historical accounts.
Have a plan, know where were going, and your background, So..many unionist tell us Scots have no plan, we are too wer, too stupid,
What they mean is Scottish politicians have no plan, they deliberately have no plan. It is called stalling and preventing.

It was not Scotland that ended the treaty of union,
It was England’s Westminster parliament.

Beauvais

Maybe it’s really called Operation Blankform.

You know, as in empty charge sheet.

A Scot Abroad

James Che,

I don’t need to provide evidence of anything. You are the complainer, endlessly bumping your gums about stuff that you don’t really understand, and frankly, nobody else seems to be interested in during the last 317 years. So I’d suggest that you either scurry away to a hide-hole and keep quiet, or take your wild claims to the court of Session and see how roughly handled they are. Take about £250,000 with you, as that’s what the Advocate will charge for their services, and another £250,000 to pay off the Crown for their successful defence.

rob

James Che says:
29 May, 2023 at 11:09 pm
Say it on the banners, say it at marches tweet it , facebook it, sing it,
independence where politicians in Scotland have failed us,
Encourage others to look at the textual recorded history on The UK’s own parliament site.

Perhaps if you leave a link to the above site, it will encourage others to go check the facts.

James Che

Tomorrow I will leave free from posting here to give the union minded people a rest, from having to defend their position without evidence.

And a chance for independent supporters to have a opportunity to check the records, that extinguished Scotland from the treaty of union.
I have a full day planned emptying the loft, weeding the drive and general gardening, and a walk in the countryside later on,

I am sure many of us would occasionally enjoy a few updates on Stu’s photos on the wildlife around his area, I miss those, no offence taken Stu if you are too occupied nowadays with the stupidity and corruption of politics,
But I do miss them, being from the Country myself.

Ricky

Yoons move in mysterious circles.

Shug

Given how the chief constable has branded all police racists it could be a short time before one who heard the order “get Salmond” turns some light on the orders perfectly honest police were given to pervert the course of justice in the tone and nature of their investigation.

The bobbies know what the great racist leader did

James Jones

There hasn’t been an English Parliament since the same time though.

Why did it take 300 years of complicity before someone decided that wasn’t how it was supposed to work, and doesn’t that complicity trump any subsequent interpretation of the treaty?

Ron Clark

A scot abroad.

Who decided that you are judge and jury?

Northcode

@James Che 9:32pm

Thanks for the compliment, James

But you are being too hard on yourself.

Your comments raise important questions. Questions I might never have asked myself if not for your posts and the posts of others on here.

I mean, you knew Scotland was a colony long before I came to that realisation.

The way the message is delivered is unimportant as long as the message is clear, and I’ve never had a problem comprehending the points and arguments you make in your comments.

Education is not an indication of intelligence. And if you can read you can educate yourself.

There are many many folk who’ve received a very good education, and their intelligence is lacking to say the least.

Let’s take a quick look at some of those folk:

Sturgeon (crafty but thick)
Yousaf (just plain thick)
Wishart (IQ off the charts. Just in the wrong direction)
Blackford (greedy, crafty and thick)
Cole-Hamilton ( IQ score = WTAF. How can this walk and talk at the same time?)
…and on and on and on this list could go.

You could probably stick most of the ‘Scottish Government’ on that list, and many more who head up Scotland’s institutions.

Your education might have suffered due to circumstances beyond your control, but that is an entirely different thing from intelligence.

Ron Clark

James Che

Just keep posting.

Don’t let these bastards win.

James Che

Scot Abroad.
Just a few days ago you were preaching on here there was no union since 1707.

People can go back and check you know,

Ron Clark

James Che

Instead of cutting back on your posts,,,the best thing to do is INCREASE the number of posts you normally send on to Wings.

Fuck the badtards.

Fuck these self appointed site policemen.

Anton Decadent

There seems to a be a swathe of people unhappy that other people are allowed to post comments BTL here. Painting acceptable public debate into a corner is how the likes of the SNP operate. Australia is looking to introduce laws making people sign in online with personal details and no anonymity whilst at the same time introducing laws making it illegal to refer to a man as a man if they are in the process of stealing womens sporting trophies etc. Expect the same here as this is all across the West.

I do not read all of the posts here but they should be allowed to be posted. What was also apparent last week was that some of those unhappy about other people being allowed to post were the ones who had nothing much more than personal abuse of other posters to offer. These bullies have become too used to having everything their own way via smear, public shaming and threats.

Ron Clark

The National

EXCLUSIVE
SNP reveal plan for monthly days of action to boost party support.

The SNP are asking branches to launch a nationwide campaign.

The SNP are asking branches to launch a nationwide campaign.
THE SNP are planning monthly days of action to boost party support, beginning in June.

The party have asked local branches to start a national campaign to help “hard-working activists” share the SNP’s “positive vision for Scotland”.

The days will focus on party political messaging – not solely independence, as some members believed at first.

The first National Campaign Day is to be held on Saturday, June 3, which is just three weeks before the party’s independence convention.

It is understood after June 3, the campaign days will take place on the first Saturday of the month.

This coincides with the umbrella organisation of grassroots independence activists, Believe in Scotland, announcing Saturday summer campaign days on July 1 and August 12.

Jen Layden, the SNP’s organisation convener, said: “As the largest party in Scotland by far, the SNP has many hard-working activists out delivering our positive vision for Scotland’s future on a regular basis.

“To support their efforts, we recently agreed that the first Saturday of each month will be a National Day of Action. This will support members and activists to continue taking the SNP’s positive and ambitious vision for the future to doorsteps across the country.

“With people across Scotland being failed by the broken Westminster system and two pro-Brexit parties fighting for the keys to 10 Downing Street, the SNP are the only party offering real change with independence so we can get rid of Tory governments for good.”

It is unclear whether this is the announcement the First Minister pledged to make on “a summer of independence campaign”.

Humza Yousaf previously wrote exclusively in the Sunday National: “During the SNP leadership campaign, I vowed to set up regional assemblies across Scotland to bring together and harness the energy of our members to discuss how we cross the line and win independence.

“The SNP team are working hard to organise and schedule our regional assemblies, and I will make an announcement shortly on a summer of independence campaign activity, so we take our positive message to every corner of the country.”

Northcode

A lassie is playing a game of cards, for money – big money.

She’s wearing a pretty red dress and she’s not having much luck. In fact, she’s losing again and again and she’s running low on cash.

She asks the other folk in the game if anyone will lend her a thousand quid.

Some bloke says, “I admire yer courage, Miss…”

Trench, she replies grumpily.

And then, looking up from her cards and seeing the guy who spoke to her is a bonnie big lad, she adds her first name: “Sylvia Trench”

Then, clearly a wee bit miffed at his cheek, she goes on to say: “I admire your luck, Mr…”

For the first time the camera cuts to the bonnie big lad, who, still poking a wee bit fun at her, replies: “Bond, James Bond”

And that’s how the legendary Mr Bond was introduced to cinema-goers for the very first time in 1962.

It’s a flirtation where each mimics the other’s sentences, until inevitably she goes back to Bond’s apartment, undresses, and has a putt on the carpet.

And no. It is not a euphemism. She actually plays a bit of golf – on the carpet.

It was never meant to be a great line, but the American Film Institute rates it as the 22nd greatest line in all cinema history.

This is, if you think about it, a wee bit odd. The content of the line is…well…that his name is James Bond.

James Bond is a boring, boring name. A name deliberately chosen to be boring, Ian Fleming said so himself.

So in summary, one of the greatest lines in the history of cinema is a man saying his name, a name deliberately designed to be dull.

If he had said “My name is Mr. James Bond,” or “Bond, but you can call me James,” or “James Bond”, would it have been remembered?

Probably not. But here again the ancients come to the rescue.

Diacope (pronounced die-ACK-oh-pee) is a verbal sandwich where a word or phrase is repeated after a brief pause.

You take two Bonds and stick James in the middle. Boom! You have a memorable line.

Crisis? What Crisis? was the title of a Supertramp album released in 1975 (possibly lifted from ‘The Day of the Jackal’).

And then nicked by ‘The Sun’ newspaper in 1979 when it had a go at James Callaghan during the ‘winter of discontent’ .

Or if you’re a Mafia boss you might say: “It was you, Fredo, I know it was you”

Or like the Trammps did in 1976, you can can create a disco inferno with the lyrics burn, baby, burn.

In the Wizard of Oz, the Wicked Witch of the West cries: “Fly, my pretties, fly!”

Except she doesn’t.

In the film the flying monkeys are told to “Fly! Fly! Fly! Fly!” and there is not even a whisper of ‘pretties’ to be heard.

So why does everybody remember her saying it?

There is plenty of Diacope around in the film. There’s “run, Toto, run!” and “I’m frightened, Auntie Em, I’m frightened!”

Diacope is powerful, so powerful that it seeped into other lines in the movie and into our memories. And the witch’s ‘pretties’ line was born out of pure thin…well, Diacope.

Diacope can take on a life of it’s own. And it doesn’t matter whether you intend to deploy it or not.

Because you will, dear reader, you will.

Kcor

“She is in fact the prime suspect and the investigating team want to make sure they have a comprehensive dossier at their fingertips before they question her”

They sure will have a comprehensive dossier – after she has died, whenever that be.

Stoker

No comment! I’ll bet that’s getting said a lot, especially by Murrell and Sturgeon. Leading to no case, nothing to see here, folks…OH LOOK! THERE’S A HUGE TORY SQUIRREL.

John Main

American Film Institute?

Shurely shome mishtake. American Movie Institute seems so much more likely.

Confused. So confused.

John Main

@Ron Clark says:30 May, 2023 at 12:38 am

I vowed to set up regional assemblies

That’s two vows then.

The first was to eradicate poverty. How’s that going then? Anybody seen any results from that? Anything?

Anybody?

On Saturday, my local food bank seemed to be as busy as ever. That’s anecdotal though – discount that.

Tell you what though, the two vows do show some signs of joined up thinking. Get the regional assemblies up and running, get the vote out, return the same old, same old to HR and WM, and thus eradicate poverty for the gormless troughers for another 5 years.

Result!

But not for Scotland, obvs.

Luigi

Ron Clark says:
30 May, 2023 at 12:38 am
The National

EXCLUSIVE
SNP reveal plan for monthly days of action to boost party support.

The SNP are asking branches to launch a nationwide campaign.

Campaign? Campaign for what? Five more years of Guff and Gravy?

No thanks.

John Main

Anybody interested in iScotland’s future economy and currency could benefit from reading today’s innarestin Unherd article: America Will Never Go Bankrupt.

Here’s a wee quote:

“instruct the Federal Reserve to create a coin worth $1 trillion, and then deposit it with the Fed, thus adding $1 trillion to the Treasury’s account at the central bank. The government could then draw on this account to pay its bills without having to issue new debt”

The article shows just what can be achieved if a sovereign state controls its own currency.

Spoiler alert: anybody convinced of the coming BRICS age and wishing to maintain their delusions intact should give the article a miss.

Northcode

Not bad, @John Main (7:18am), not bad at all.

Ottomanboi

An iScotland might join BRICS and get them to come up with an original idea.
Currently it shadows the US in predictable «neo liberal» economic policies, as for that democracy thingy, you take pot luck.
Also, minorities be very, very cautious.
Its working language is American English, so what does that tell you?

Tom

Yes, the SNP are finished.

The final stages of the death of a political party who had so much power is the infighting and back biting.

dasBlimp

James Che is an English troll and posts here to disrupt our posts on Scottish independence. Ignore him.

Chas

Alf Baird

‘How would you explain the relationship between England and Scotland?’

The ‘relationship’ is what it is. I suspect it will mean different things to different people. I cannot answer for all of them. Neither can you but it does not stop you giving your boring version of it constantly. Adding quotes from individuals giving their ‘take’ does not impress me one iota. Neither does the use of some Scottish vernacular in a failed attempt to show that you really are ‘a man of the people’. It smacks of ‘I am more intelligent than you’ but will converse in a manner that you may understand. You are of course, entitled to your opinion, as am I.

The relationship between Scotland and England will undoubtedly change dramatically if Independence is ever achieved. For this to happen Scotland will need honest, competent Politicians who can project and convince the electorate how things could be better in their daily lives. I may be missing something but where are the raft of Politicians with these qualities? Two or three will simply not cut it.

Too wee-No
Too poor-the jury is out
Too stupid-Well we keep voting the SNP in.

Scotland, as a country, has significant resources. Unfortunately the majority of these resources are currently not ‘owned’ by the country. Desperate Dan periodically copies and pastes lists which actually reveals the exact opposite of what he is attempting to portray.

If you look at the bigger picture, Scotland is struggling. 70% of the electorate are blissfully unaware, do not care or are simply too busy getting on with their daily lives. Colonialism and 300 year old guff does not register with the majority and probably never will apart from a fleeting thought.

By all means keep posting the same tired, repetitive stuff but expect more and more people to simply scroll past. Excluding your new found fan and the stalwart members of the BPHB.

It is going to be a lovely day. Get some sun and fresh air everybody.

Ron Clark

DasBlimp is an English troll and posts here to disrupt our posts on Scottish independence. Ignore him.

Chas

To Rev Stu

I understand that there is list of banned words? The use of which will cause any post to go into moderation and will never appear in the comments.

Can I respectfully suggest that the word ‘colonialism’ and any reference to 1707, or any date prior to 1900 are added to the list. The word ‘Che’ is maybe going a step too far.

I do however appreciate that it is your blog, your rules, and you are the one and only arbiter

Ron Clark

Too many site Polis.

James Che,

I hope you increase your daily quota of posts today.

Tom

The SNP no more.

As the Proclaimers once said.

Ron Clark

Chas is an English troll and posts here to disrupt our posts on Scottish independence. Ignore him.

Stephen O'Brien

SNP to ‘harness energy’ by monthly day of action.. The rest of the month, bloated?

A leech harnesses energy from it’s host. The Scottish electorate is already sucked dry!

It’s only a matter of time, until Holyrood’s closure is triggered by stay at home, ashen faced Scots. Anaemia should never be ignored.

bobo bunny

Have the SNP published their accounts yet?

Tick tock.

Cant be long now…

Stuart MacKay

Clutching Victory from the Jaws of Defeat, Bella Caledonia, link to archive.ph

The British Progressives still hope to carve out a niche for their vision in Scotland. Now that their SNP chapter is being pushed to the sidelines we are seeing support for independence rising. That says that all the devolutionist parties are heading for irrelevance and something else is going to take it’s place.

Not sure if that’s really true, but it is interesting and it does indicate that there’s a way out of this morass of inaction and incompetence.

Chas

Ron Clark

According to you. Any one who does not agree with your rather simplistic views must be a Unionist troll.

No wonder Scotland is in the mess that we currently find ourselves. Too many who simply think that ‘it will all be fine’ if Independence is ever achieved sometime in the distant future.

What’s the plan Ron?

John Main

@Chas says:30 May, 2023 at 9:14 am

Something I find quite gob-smacking is that last week’s revelation of the stupendous UK immigration figures has raised not one comment on here.

Until this one, obvs.

Look at those numbers. 606,000 net, 1,163,000 gross, in just one year.

Even if you believe that Scotland’s share of the UK total is pro-rata (I don’t, I think it’s higher), is this acceptable or sustainable?

How many of these New Scots favour Indy? How many of the Old English New Scots the immigrants displace from England into Scotland favour Indy?

How many Soft No’s have to be convinced to Yes each and every year, just to balance out the steady influx of New Scots?

sam

This is what the Union gives:communities broken by deindustrialisation,globalisation, austerity and economic mismanagement: food insecurity: precarious work: low wages: rising inequality: rising poverty: rising homelessness: increasing poor health: shorter life expectancy:suicides-“deaths of despair”:burnt out health services: long waiting times for health treatments: privatising public assets for private greed: PFI: industrial scale moneylaundering:cronyism and corruption in governments.

Stephen O'Brien

If Alister Jack or his successor, make the decision, Devolution and Holyrood is proven failure, that would be a monumental day, for the arrival of Scottish independence.

Do your worst, Mr Jack.

Stephen O'Brien

Plan B. To prove Devolution and Holyrood is an unmitigated failure. Hat’s off to SNP!

8×4 sheets of plywood, on the way from London! Final Board meeting, can’t come soon enough!

Ron Clark

Chas aka “The site Polis “.

If you check back, you will see my post to you was a copy and paste from “dasBlimp”.

Do try to keep up.

chic.mcgregor

@John Main
“Even if you believe that Scotland’s share of the UK total is pro-rata (I don’t, I think it’s higher), is this acceptable or sustainable?”

Scotland yes England no. England is already not sustainable, simply too many people.

Take China which had a 1 child per family policy for decades because of overpopulation.
If China had the same population density as England it would have over 4 billion people.

If France had the same population density as England it would be over 200 million.

Ron Clark

Cmon James Che,

Get posting.

The resident Trolls don’t seem to like them.

Anton Decadent

WINGS ahead of the game as usual, from todays Herald.

link to archive.fo

Tom

Which will come first, a human landing on Mars, or Scottish independence?

Ricky

The SNP are going the way of Scottish Labour.

Sven

What a great suggestion from Chas @09.34
The post in recent weeks which most encouraged me was when James Che raised my hopes by (falsely) promising that he/she was leaving WoS in disgust. Far as I recall that lasted around 24 hours, unfortunately.

chic.mcgregor

Northcode

I wonder if the screenwriters concerned have resisted the temptation of having the lines:

“The name’s Bauer, Jack Bauer.”
or
“The name’s Bourne, Jason Bourne.”?

Luigi

bobo bunny says:
30 May, 2023 at 9:51 am
Have the SNP published their accounts yet?

Tick tock.

Cant be long now…

Ach, there will probably be a fudge and a long, drawn-out cover-up, just like the great campervan mystery. Looks and smells really bad though (not that the dopes in charge realise or care what the peasants think). Some of the SNP high heid yins seem to have been blessed with the protection of the establishment. I wonder why.

Dorothy Devine

Seems there are those who just aren’t interested in our history or our historic claims but happy to support Magna Carta and the like – if you are so enraged by posts you consider irrelevant or boring perhaps you should vanish up your own fundaments or just scroll on by and leave those of us who appreciate learning about our history and how it relates to the pickle we now find ourselves in to read or otherwise.

bobo bunny

31st May deadline for the accounts.

1.2 million taken away from the SNP pigs at the trough, if they fail.

Flip! Flap!!

‘Form a new independence party, fold the old! ‘

‘Goodbye to our old liabilities!!’

‘The independinista’s are stupid and will fall for it!!!’

No, we wont. You are finished.

Stephen O'Brien

Self-determination. Independence.

What more needs to be said, regards implementation of that basic right? It’s there to be seized!

Accountability for SNPs abuse of electoral manifesto pledges, must be addressed.

Systematic fraud. A devolved parliament advocating for independence to be achieved only by permission of the dominant government.

SNPs, so called strategy, now exposed as shameful exploitation of the electorate, to further their own ends.

Still, they pursue that self promotion, in the same manner.

Integrity, long gone..

Lenny Hartley

Dorothy, hear hear,

John Main

Labour calling for Glasgow ULEZ to be postponed for a year.

Cutting things damn fine!

And so aggravating, cos I’ve already shelled out £44K for my new Tesla. Just like every other Glaswegian driver of an older, but otherwise thoroughly decent, car.

Haha, I crack me up.

chic.mcgregor

More accurate figure for France if it had the same population density as England is 280 million people. Which would, of course, be an unsustainable figure for them.

Ian Smith

If the SNP miss their accounts deadline, can they still get cash pro rata if they can finally get them signed off, or do they get the whole whack at that point?

Red

John Main says:
30 May, 2023 at 10:20 am
@Chas says:30 May, 2023 at 9:14 am

Something I find quite gob-smacking is that last week’s revelation of the stupendous UK immigration figures has raised not one comment on here.

Scotland has been whistling past the graveyard for the last 25 years or so. The English are fast becoming a minority group in England, won’t be long till Scotland has massive, Irish style demographic problems.

We can keep burning the candle at both ends (hopelessly insufficient birth rates and mass replacement migration), but not for much longer until the very concept of “Scotland” loses cohesion and meaning and we find ourselves in the Children of Men future.

But our governments are more interested in glass bottles and banning kids from vaping. They view borders, countries and national sovereignty as a problem to be solved.

Bobbyp

Sam, 10.28am, well said Sam, lets see if the trolls come back and give you a reply to that.

Northcode

@chic.mcgregor 11:28am

I wonder if the screenwriters concerned have resisted the temptation of having the lines:

“The name’s Bauer, Jack Bauer.”
or
“The name’s Bourne, Jason Bourne.”?

You make a good, and amusing, point, chic.mcgregor.

I imagine any screenwriter seriously suggesting the use of that particular Diacope for any character other than Bond would be sacked on the spot.

There can be no doubt at all that Bond completely and unquestionably owns that one.

And has done for over 60 years.

Dot Jessiman

Her involvement was the basic reason why I resigned from the NEC. I was sick and so did not attend the March meeting but received a report from a colleague who described her involvement in the discussion. This arose out of the statement to thee Committee from one of the people who resigned from the Finance and Audit Committee Not because the resignations appeared on the official Agenda!

I subsequently wrote to the Secretary asking for an assurance that the Committee ended by directing the Chief Executive to hand over the required information. He Replied “The Treasurer did not ask them to”. It was clear therefore that the omission went right to the top and there was no fighting it. The last straw. She knew. She was complicit.

sam

Thank you, Bobbyp.

The latest gift from the Union is shortening of the lives of the most vulnerarable people.

This from ScotPHO

“This ‘stalling’ of improving life expectancy and mortality rates represents an overall UK picture which masks a widening of inequalities. For those living in the most deprived areas of the UK, death rates are actually increasing (see Chart 2 and 3)…

The Glasgow Centre for Population Health’s (GCPH) May 2022 report critically appraised all the evidence for the changing mortality rates and life expectancy trends across Scotland and the rest of the UK. It concluded that the principal driver was the UK Government’s austerity measures. The billions of pounds cut from public services and social security have impacted particularly on the poorest and most vulnerable in society.”

Alf Baird

Chas @ 9:14 am

“The ‘relationship’ is what it is.”

I have to say that is a rather woeful attempt at defining the relationship between England and Scotland.

You could have made a case for ‘unionism’ but you are unwilling or unable to do so; there is clearly no ‘union’ in a dominant abusive and oppressive relationship that ultimately ends in the perishing of an oppressed native people and their nation.

Because you are unwilling to analyse the relationship, you then call for the banning of the word ‘colonialism’; the only word that accurately defines the relationship and also explains the ‘meaning’ of independence, which is decolonization and liberation from oppression.

History tells us that anti-colonial literature was often banned by Imperial powers in the colonies, yet revered by a liberated people after independence, so it is no surprise you wish to see the word ‘colonialism’ banned.

Colonialism and its processes (often obscured) accurately explains our ‘condition’ whereas the myth of ‘unionism’ is only that, a myth, and a ‘cultural illusion’. Colonialism remains the raison detre for national independence; and “is what it is” – aye, a dominant, abusive, oppressive relationship – Scots dae whit yer telt whiles anither fowk an cultur remuive yer cultur/identity an tak aw yer laund an soveranety. Naw, thon’s nae union ma freend.

dasBlimp

Alf Baird says:
30 May, 2023 at 1:06 pm

blah blah blah

… and yet the Scots voted for dependence to remain. Awa and bile yer heid yer wee timorous beastie!

Ian Brotherhood

@Dorothy Devine & Lenny Hartley –

It’s sad to see such disrespect for history, whether the author is a unionist or not. Hard to believe that anyone is actually that ignorant unless they have good reason to pretend otherwise.

Aside from the fact that the average life expectancy of a ‘royal’ is kicking on for a century, these things are all relative – the Russian revolution kicked off only 4 or 5 years before Prince Philip was born and he clearly took it quite personally. Not hard to imagine that, for all aristocratic elites (in Europe at any rate) the French revolution is a ‘recent event’ which still causes sleeplessness.

Joe

@Red

As I was today observing the new black and brown faces, not to mention all the new English accents, in my Scottish town that was almost homogenous just 3 years ago I was suddenly struck by the realisation that I simply didn’t ever suspect that our future prosperity hinged so heavily on bringing in mass numbers of Africans and Middle Easterners.

Who knew that countries whose populations with an average IQ ranging from 70 to the high 80’s, and who have to put up billboards telling men that raping girls doesn’t cure Aids, would have such positive promise for us?

Iain mhor

@John Main 10:20 am
I ready posted some of those numbers, and the figures are a click away.
Also, when I see ‘shocking immigration figures’ my hand always heads for the source right away – because the headline rule.

Y’know – “oh right, a fair chunk of that is British nationals coming back in, shite, I really wanted to get het up about Johnny Foreigner’

Picking the thing you seem most concerned about (and at random because figures fluctuate) a Panelbase poll in March this year, put it at NO voters = 54% English & 44% other nationalities, so Johnny Foreigner isn’t the issue, and barely the English. Maybe the concern should be the 49% of Scots who would vote NO.

Even then, the majority of English voters wouldn’t be all that bothered if it turned out YES (even if they had voted NO) according to another set of polling.

Naturally, net internal migration over a very long period, probably favours English born people migrating into Scotland.
But then they are coming here to get away from something, and their generations will be Scots born.

Does the 49% of Scots polled who would vote NO, include a generation, or two of English settlers who are now identifying as Scots (Scots born) for the purposes of polling? No idea, can’t be arsed looking through the past census, polls, and surveys and collating the info.

Scot

On what basis was Sturgeon saying that the SNP finances had never been stronger?
If it was on the basis of her personal knowledge, then she was lying as the finances were in a mess.
If it was on the basis of ignorance then her statement was a blatant attempt to deceive.

Either way she needs to give an answer.
If the police ask a direct question, a no comment answer or its equivalent would incriminate her.

sam

Immigration…. the long view.

“Prof Jim Wilson, from Edinburgh University’s Usher Institute and MRC Human Genetics Unit, said: “It is remarkable how long the shadows of Scotland’s Dark Age kingdoms are, given the massive increase in movement from the industrial revolution to the modern era.”

Ireland…

“These ancient Irish genomes each show unequivocal evidence for massive migration. The early farmer has a majority ancestry originating ultimately in the Middle East, where agriculture was invented. The Bronze Age genomes are different again with about a third of their ancestry coming from ancient sources in the Pontic Steppe.”

James

@ Joe:

Spot the (racist) half-wit.

Ian Smith

Scot says:
30 May, 2023 at 2:29 pm

If the police ask a direct question, a no comment answer or its equivalent would incriminate her.

Only problem is that the police show no sign of asking the question. These issues are so old that its not just Humza’s leadership that has gone through, the questions could have been asked before the last election, where had they happened, it is far more likely Alba would have had a much better showing.

It is not just the current cabinet that is illegitimate, it is half the entire parliament.

sam

John (Manuel) Swinney

29 May 2021 tells the BBC he does not understand why Mr Chapman quit and he has no knowledge of any police investigation.

Northcode

@Alf Baird 1:06pm

Two spectacularly incoherent ‘arguments’ in support of the ‘union’ in a row.

And all you have to counter them with is the truth about colonial oppression, eloquently expressed, backed up with historical fact, the studied opinions of renowned and respected academics from around the world, and copious amounts of reason and logic.

I’ll be straight with you. Alf. It’s a tough one.

James Che

Wait for it, soon soon, maybe this evening I will send the trolls into a tizzy spitting verbal abuse that I promised I would’nt post today.

Trip wire.

Looking forward to chatting with the rest you all later on when I am not so busy.

Hizzy fits ready steady go go go

Scot

Ian Smith
There is supposed to be a police investigation into the SNP finances ongoing which makes Sturgeon’s claims very relevant.
If the police aren’t asking the correct questions to the correct people then they are either incompetent or not impartial.
As you say the elections in the intermediate time period may well have resulted differently if the answers to these questions had been in the public domain.

It is a scandal that all this appears to be being hushed up.

Ottomanboi

«No comment», IS a comment i.e an utterance from which a conclusion may be drawn, usually a negative one. The influence of tv «drama» has spread this nonsense.
Best to stay silent, even under a hail blows.

Ted

Sam says @ 1.05: “The latest gift from the Union is shortening of the lives of the most vulnerable people”. No, Sam that would be the deep fried Mars Bars and all those drugs. You’d kind of think that a Glasgow research unit might have picked that up.

Scot

Ottomanboi
A negative inference may be drawn from a no comment answer to a particular relevant question on the direction of the trial judge. This negative inference will then be relayed to the jury at trial.
The police interviewer should be aware of this and should draw up his/her papers, in relation to the interview, to the charging authority accordingly.

A no comment interview is actually better for the police as there will be no further investigation able to be conducted in relation to the interview and they can go straight to the charging decision, if everything else is in place

The charging authority can more easily make a decision on the basis of a no comment interview and it is often associated with a future guilty plea.

It will be difficult with the Crown Office under the control of The Scottish Government. Surely given how we have much evidence of the unhealthy relationship between the two including the delay in search warrants in this case the redactions in the Alex Salmond enquiry and many more, that The Crown Office should report to The Secretary of State not The Solicitor General while this case is live. It would be better still if the Solicitor General was independent chosen by the Bar Association and Scottish Solicitors from a short leet of three willing and effective lawyers with 25 years post qualification experience.

A Scot Abroad

This assertion of a colonial status for Scotland is just utter nonsense, and depressingly it’s being tricked up with the (very thin) veneer of respectability that comes from Napier Poly.

In fact, a million or so Scots became colonisers in countries spread about the globe. There’s never been anything at all to stop a Scotsman or Scotswoman from achieving anything they wanted in life, whether it be in Scotland, elsewhere in the U.K., or as far away as New Zealand. And many did. They only people who whine about Scotland being a colony seem to be life’s losers.

SteepBrae

Alf Baird at 1.06pm
A clear and cogent response as always and perfectly understandable.
Your forbearance is admirable.

It’s particularly reassuring to read that “anti-colonial literature was often…revered by a liberated people after independence”. Scottish art & music are also to be treasured and current artists/composers/performers deserve to be supported.

Beauvais

A Scot Abroad @4:20 pm

“There’s never been anything at all to stop a Scotsman or Scotswoman from achieving anything they wanted in life…”

Good, we want to achieve independence. It’s good to know that there’s nothing to stop us.

Northcode

@SteepBrae 4:32pm

Well said, SteepBrae.

A good point about Scotland’s art and music, too.

And Scots writers have produced some of the greatest literature the world has seen.

President Xiden

When a politician says publicly that they will quote, ‘cooperate’ with any police enquiry, then can we take it that on being interviewed by the police under caution then they will answer any and all questions put to them to the best of their ability and will not resort to ‘no comment’ or refuse to answer as that would not be ‘cooperating’ would it?

SteepBrae

Ted 3.52pm

But everything was taken into account – the “report critically appraised all the evidence for the changing mortality rates and life expectancy trends…It concluded that the principal driver was the UK Government’s austerity measures”.

So this phenomenon is UK-wide and it doesn’t take much imagination to understand that of course it’s worse in areas of deprivation. Unlike in affluent areas, folk on low incomes have no financial cushion to help them survive enforced austerity.

The study goes to the root of the problem although nae doot the odd yin might prefer to take a more superficial view and a swipe at those less fortunate than themselves.

Chas

Alf Baird

Are you unable to read and comprehend?

As expected you respond with the usual pish and slavers we have all heard 946 times before.

Everything you ever say smacks of ‘It’s no fair’ and ‘Poor us’.

What are YOU going to do to change anything?

At least you have picked up a few deluded fanboys/girls/it’s along the way.

I wonder if the people in the Highlands and the Western Isles feel as if they have been colonised by those living in the central belt of Scotland?

Stuart MacKay

A Scot Abroad

With no more countries to subjugate or brown peoples to displace, then clearly England is not holding up it’s end of the deal. In more recent times the man-servants and maids are increasingly drawn from those former colonies, with the net result is that a Scots man or woman who wants to get on, is now frustrated in their ambitions. Furthermore, as England withdraws from international agreements, I’m afraid that Scots must take matters into their own hands and seek engagement with other nations by themselves.

James

Chas/Ted or whatever your name is;

Aw, ffs man, away and lie in yer ain water.

Are the Highlands and Western Isles resources stolen by ‘Scotland’? No they are stolen by Westminster.

Today’s crossword clue;
A country that has to ask the permission of the country next door to hold a referendum on deciding it’s own future –
6 letters…..
C-L–Y.

Joe

@Sam 2:41pm

Interesting.

But how does this impressive bit of knowledge fit into the current situation?

Or are you trying to throw up anything to somehow put todays unprecedented situation into some kind of acceptable polished academic context?

That’s it, isn’t it?

Well, here is the trouble – there are 2 aspects for this. The first is the sheer scale of the immigration and demographic change. The second is that coupled with that demographic change is a very noticeable anti-european message that despite its obviousness everybody on our gracious and good ‘left’ side of the fence does their absolute best to pretend does not exist.

So what does it mean?

Well, for those who aren’t ideologically possessed and can therefore see with some clarity it means that the people who are doing this are cynically using the ‘equity’ doctrine to get what they want.

In the past the equity doctrine was used with haves and have nots being the distinction so that the revolutionaries (((bankers and merchant class))) could use their oppressed proletariat to overthrow the entrenched order and make something more amiable to their goals.

The same thing is happening now, but the dividing line is race. They are now busily importing their oppressed proletariat.

Guess who is the figurative bourgeois targets of this next revolution?

Ordinary white Europeans.

Of course this is absolutely obvious to anyone…wait. Yep. I get it. Mass importing peoples from places with average IQ’s ranging from 70 to 89 will probably raise the bar here now.

Forget I said anything.

PacMan

James says: 30 May, 2023 at 2:44 pm

@ Joe:

Spot the (racist) half-wit.

The ‘not to mention all the new English accents’ feels like a bolted on after-thought.

The price of free speech….

Skip_NC

I think I must need new glasses. I believe someone, within the last hour, just asked a university professor if he was unable to read and comprehend. That cannot be right. I must have misread it.

twathater

@ Chas and John Main, what kind of Scotland would you like to live in and pass on to your grandchildren

Are you happy with the status quo where politicians of ALL parties have no integrity, no honesty , are self serving greed driven arsewipes and once in power they IGNORE any and all views and opinions of the electorate

You both promote a show us the fucking money diatribe,as you both appear to be fully conversant with financial matters perhaps you can give examples of how an independent Scotland will prosper or otherwise, have you seen any of that from the current and past crop of moronic clowns, none of them WILL show you the money because they are too busy hoarding it for themselves
You both ridicule and demean Scots sovereignty especially Chas, so Chas if you are a genuine Scot who wants independence, what is your route out of this asylum, and John I totally agree with your comments about Humza and the embarrassment of having this moronic clown as ANY representative of Scotland, I asked you before what are YOU willing to do about it

Every country in the world the population are Sovereign if they show enough combined FORCE to enact it, Scotland is no different it just needs the population to waken up and show that we have had enough of the liars and thieves

When Chas and John have shown us the fucking money and shown us how to get it, and explained their vision of an independent prosperous Scotland and how to get there I am sure more people will support their vision and the BPHB membership will whither on the vine

Dan

In a bonnie rural non-central belt area of Scotland. 200 newborn children and only 20 bairns born to both Scottish parents.
Aye, best just shut up Jocks as that’s nowt to be concerned aboot…

Southernbystander

Joe 6.00pm
‘In the past the equity doctrine was used with haves and have nots being the distinction so that the revolutionaries (((bankers and merchant class))) could use their oppressed proletariat to overthrow the entrenched order and make something more amiable to their goals.’

So why the three brackets?

‘Triple parentheses or triple brackets, also known as an (((echo))), are an antisemitic symbol that has been used to highlight the names of individuals assumed to be of a Jewish background, or organizations thought to be owned by Jews.’

So Joe, why did you highlight these people as Jews? What point are you really making here?

Demographic change is an inevitability and always has been. You will send yourself mad thinking it can be stopped. It can and should be controlled of course (so I agree we should be cautious about rapid, big change) but I do not get the impression you are much interested in control given that your rhetoric is mostly about the supposed inherent negatives of the migrant people’s themselves, their very humanity, which would not change if it were more controlled.

Skip_NC

O/T, I see Progress Scotland has filed unaudited financial statements for the eighteen months to May 31st, 2022. Current Assets up from 6,988 to 28,185. Creditors stable at about 10,000. The director (A Robertson) owes the company 1,900 quid, up from almost 750 in November 2020. In the period under review, he repaid less (GBP406) than the balance at November 30th 2020.

I thought a look at the Register of interests would be worthwhile.

“I am the Managing Director of Progress Scotland Ltd, a firm concerned with opinion polling and political research, (of Rutland House, 13 Rutland Street, Edinburgh, EH1 2AE). Since my election, I have not undertaken any work in this role. I expect to receive a final payment of between £501 and £1,000 for work completed prior to my election.”

and

“Interest in shares

No registrable interests.”

This needs poking at.

Scot

President Xiden
Indeed.
And yet, having listened to the word soup which was Sturgeon’s evidence to the Salmond enquiry, I have my doubts.
Sturgeon could complicate the simplest question with an answer like an impenetrable forest.
She would be in there with her multiple clause sentences which would spin the head of Cicero.
Full of sound and fury (but) signifying nothing.
I pity the poor scribe who has to write it all down, almost as much as those who have to listen to it.

twathater

Dan I was going to ask what the parameters are when being accused of racism , misogyny or homophobia, is it wrong or phobic to point out the truth, are all comments now to be sterilised in case we offend ANYBODY, what are the terms acceptable to speak about people, are there guidelines written down that you can ONLY refer to people

Johnlm

Immigration into Europe and the USA which politicians seem suspiciously unable to stop is undeniable.
I suggest that pols like immigrants because they have to be granted ‘citizenship’ which puts them under political control much more the freeborn ‘common law’ population.
Once the concept of citizenship is generally accepted then ID cards for all can be rolled out.
Don’t give up your common law rights.

Joe

RE: my racist comment

What’s the problem?

Is it that its not the case that people from sub-saharan Africa and the Middle East aren’t actually from countries with IQ scores on average (sometimes significantly) lower than ours?

Or is it that very well documented biological fact simply doesn’t count?

Or is it that they aren’t being brought here en-masse?

Or, and this is the option I like, is it that we haven’t yet been able to address this fact and it’s consequences from an angle that the ‘left’ can handle?

For example it was a seriously bigoted position to maintain that trans people are probably mentally ill, I noticed it here on this very blog when I said it, until of course reality hit and, more importantly, the effect on women’s rights became too obvious too miss.

Then the idea that trans people could be mentally ill became totally acceptable and not bigoted.

So the only question about race, IQ and immigration reality is: when will there be enough catastrophe and negative effects for the kind of people who make up the bulk of the Scots independence movement to feel comfortable accepting it as reality?

As for IQ it is probably the single most important determinant of how advanced a civilisation can be without outside help. This is what makes race and IQ such an uncomfortable topic.

To put it in context in the US someone can not be considered legally fully responsible for their own actions if they have an IQ below 75. That means by US legal standards their are entire African ethnicities that mostly fall below this threshold.

So, using this as a factual guide, you’d wonder why it’s not a factor when it comes to our population replacement? Sorry ‘immigration’ that should be.

A Scot Abroad

Beauvais,

the only things impeding (not stopping) Scotsmen and Scotswomen’s desire to achieve independence are the two little matters of having not persuaded a majority of their fellow enfranchised Scots to support the issue, and of not having a convincing plan for an iScotland to change a few minds from No to Yes.

Or is that too much a piece of colonial logic?

James Che

Describe the relationship between Scotland and England.

Alf Baird, come on now be fair,

Without Scotland being in a treaty with them and two Westminster legislation Corporation governments running Scotland, and Corporation Crown entity and the Bank of
England and Wales Corporation,
what are they supposed to answer?

Even England has been Colonised by Corporations, it lost its Sovereignty a long time ago,
I have even heard tell that the Monarch is longer in charge,
It sold its sole to that devil the Bank of England Corporation after WW2 during the reign of Elizabeth 11 .
And then we have the Civil service and ” Think Tanks” running Westminster.

Gone are the days when Englands Britainia parliament used to rule the waves,

Nowadays they cannot even think for themselves, they have to employ servants to think for member of that parliament,

Probably why some eejit posted on UK parliament site the Scots and Scotland have not been a treaty with Westminster and the rest of England since 1707,

No one to think it out before hand, and if there was they are not in control of the parliament any more,

Gee Alf, We should be more sympathetic.to those that do not pay attention to their history, never mind ours,

Chas

James

Another one who is unable to read!

‘Are the Highlands and Western Isles resources stolen by ‘Scotland’? Where in my post did I state that?

The BPHB will be pleased that you managed to include some guid Scottish words in your ramble. Baird will be proud of you too.
It may have escaped your notice but there was a referendum a few years ago-Scotland said NO.

The pretence by the SNP about wanting another one now is just that, a pretence. An Independent Scotland with the SNP/Greens running the show is abhorrent to the majority of Scots.

Skip NC

When the ex professor at Napier University (previously a Technical College prior to 1992) responds to a post, which he clearly has not understood, it is not unreasonable to doubt his comprehension. Maybe the learned gentlemen was in a hurry to repeat, ad nauseum, his habitual mince.

Northcode

My line goes back 850 years to Somerled, Lord of the Isles.

My family always used to say this together every Hogmanay over a raised glass of whisky or sometimes a cup of mead – Just as the bells rang oot.

Lo, there do I see my father.
There do I see my mother.
And my sisters and my brothers.
Lo, there do I see the line of my people.
Back to the beginning.
Lo, they do call to me.
They bid me take my place among them.
In the Western Isles and the Highlands.
Where the brave may live forever.

We wir aw big fans o thon pictuure, ‘The 13th Warrior’.

Stuart MacKay

Joe

It wasn’t the IQ since 100 is the average, so 50% of the population must be, by definition, below average – it’s simple statistics.

What surprised me was that you took the situation regarding the virgin-cure which I believe was limited to parts of South Africa ( a society already suffering from severe stress) and made a generalisation from it. I think that does plenty of people a disservice and damaged your standing as a result.

James Che

The monarch of Britain is now reduce to Chair person,

Geoff Anderson

The Indy vote must really be doing well on the Westminster secret polling given the growing infestation of Unionists trying to derail the comments section. I just wish people would just make a list of names and skip past them. They are not difficult to spot.

Why must so many of you engage with those so obviously uninterested in Scotland?

Iain mhor

Deary me, native Scots and funny accents, and deep tans.
Here’s a thought exercise:
Scotland becomes Independent next year. Within 3 years, it is a fully functioning Independent state, and within 10, a very prosperous nation.

In 30 years it is still an Independent nation.
Now, given the current hand-wringing over demographics – is it still an Independent Scotland? Are the people living in Scotland Scottish?
What about in 50 years?

I’m Scottish, but the Scotland I live in, is definitely not the Scotland of 50 years ago.
Did it stop becoming Scottish some time in between – before that, further back? Did some people living in Scotland stop being Scottish – is one of them me! How many Scottish grannies do you need?

Is it cultural, should I be cutting peat, wearing the kilt, and eating jeely pieces, should the weans have whoooping cough, and rickets? Ochone! Help, I’m doon wi the Incomers!

Maybe it is in the rules somewhere?
“Sorry, have to revoke your Independence there, your population ran out of Original Grannies™ last year – according to our records, you’re now officially Poland – sign here, here, and here.

Now, Canada, can we have a wee word with you.

It’s a guid man kens his faither, never mind his great, great granny.
“I can trace my lineage back to…” I’ll just stop you right there, give me a minute ’til I stop laughing.
Now genetics, and genetic diversity is another thing – but that’s a whole other can of worms – literally, if you’re digging up your great, great granny to check.

James Che

The Magna Carta for has been restrained by Corporate bodies. And new withdrawel of human right since Brexit, Its a shame really.

They will have to bow down to 15 minute Cities, big Pharma on steroids, no national health, lockups of humans and no juries. Immigration out of control, Unless they start paying attention to what is happening South of the border whom will save that side of these Isles.

Cat-Sith

@A Scot Abroad
You’ve come out with some hilarious pish at times but now you are denying every single opinion poll that has ever had a majority for independence?

Thank you for giving such a clear example to show anyone who might not be aware of your haverings why to ignore you.

Johnlm

Do not send your DNA off to check your ancestry.
The government has enough info. on you already without you assisting them.

Recall the guy who sent his pet iguana’s saliva to the 23andMe bunco?
The result – 25% Jewish

Chas

Twathater

‘You both ridicule and demean Scots sovereignty especially Chas, so Chas if you are a genuine Scot who wants independence, what is your route out of this asylum,’

It is relatively simple.

The electorate need to put in place an honest, competent Government. A government which pursues policies which the majority want. It would also be helpful if the people would be better of physically, mentally and more importantly financially following Independence-a Government who could project forward. A Government that spends our money effectively and wisely. A government which put the needs of the people before the needs of themselves. A government with Ministers with some degree of expertise in the area under their remit. Do this and the vast majority of Scots will be clamouring for Independence. I look at our current lot who appear to be doing the exact opposite. But, the new sooper dooper Independence Minister will shortly be issuing another ‘paper’ which will say hee haw again. The big stumbling block is the electorate themselves. 30% still think that the SNP is the answer and that Saint Nicola of Dreghorn should be anointed. These numbers are dwindling thankfully.

Of course, the easy answer is it is all Westminster’s fault. If only we had the appropriate levers. The reality is that our Government are incompetent in so many ways and the only lever the know is reverse.

Do you see many suitable politicians, from any party waiting in the wings? There may be the odd 2 or 3 but not enough to form a Government.

Meanwhile we see umpteen posts every fucking day about ‘colonialism’ and 300 year old shite that 90% of the electorate have no interest in. I saw a previous post when some misguided sole thought it was great to read history lessons from James Che. Jesus wept!

Face it-we are in for a long haul until the SNP/Greens are booted out. That is the start.

Depressing isn’t it.

Dan

twathater says: at 6:37 pm

Dan I was going to ask what the parameters are when being accused of racism , misogyny or homophobia, is it wrong or phobic to point out the truth, are all comments now to be sterilised in case we offend ANYBODY, what are the terms acceptable to speak about people, are there guidelines written down that you can ONLY refer to people.

Well with the new hate crime bill coming into effect I understand if anyone finds what someone says hurtful or offensive then they are by default guilty.
Now obviously that doesn’t set the parameters you seek to know. Because tbh the way things are going, being “rewarded” with free accommodation, reduced heating bills, and three meals a day whilst locked up with like-minded individuals away from the madding crowd, could be construed as an an attractive inducement to commit a crime!

Another no doubt contentious take to the demographic discussion is the genderwoowoo thang, which could be considered in the slightly longer (let’s utlise the “once in a generation” term), as just a self-selecting eugenics program which will remove certain characteristics from the ongoing gene pool.
If you tolerate this then your grandchildren won’t be next… because your kids won’t be able to procreate once they have cut off their sexual reproduction organs.

Joe

There will come a time when the intelligent will be silenced so as not to offend the stupid.

@Southern Bystander

Yes, the major proponents of communism/marxism (equity doctrine) were Jews and still are. Go back far enough and it wasn’t a secret, even people like Churchill wrote about it.

‘I do not get the impression you are much interested in control given that your rhetoric is mostly about the supposed inherent negatives of the migrant people’s themselves, their very humanity, which would not change if it were more controlled.’

A country that was run for the benefit of it’s inhabitants would probably have a minimal IQ requirement among other factors

@Stuart Mackay

I don’t have a standing. Whatever I say can be taken on it’s merit. I never intend to be anything other than a pusher of the overton window and certainly not a leader.

As for the virgin cure, well I have seen recently something about a central African country having to do a campaign about it. But let’s just say for arguments sake that I am wrong. Lets also say that the kind of brutality that is common in Africa is just a fairy tale also.

How does that change the fact that a white person with an IQ below 75 is considered retarded but a black person isn’t? Is it because a huge portion of Somalians (for example) fall on or around that level?

Or is it down to the kind of political correctness that brought us self-ID?

Why would any sane country invite whole swathes of people with that level of cognitive ability into an advanced technological nation unless the purpose was for something other than progress?

Honest question.

A Scot Abroad

Cat-Sith,

it’s a fact that there hasn’t been a sustained majority of polls showing that Indy has a majority. There must have been thousands of such polls, going back decades. Sure, there have been a few showing a pro-Indy majority. But not most of them.

The majority of enfranchised Scots aren’t yet convinced of Indy. And the only hilarious pish is being spouted by those ignoring that historic and current reality.

Joe

@Southern Bystander and Stuart Mackay

Sorry, I did reply but it’s in moderation

Tommo

To my amusement that tiny fellow from the laughable Lib Dems is criticising the SNP for making a ‘pig’s ear of a good idea’- ie the bottle fiasco; he seems to have retreated from his gushing support for the transexualists as reflected in the GRR fiasco; he and his party should not be allowed to follow their usual policy of making it up as they go along

Liz

Seems to me there’s a few newbies on here throwing insults.
Prof Baird knows what he’s talking about.
Insults from non-entities will be easily ignored.
This isn’t Twitter, where people are constantly on the wind up.
I usually block or ignore.

James Jones

Geoff Anderson at 7:11 pm
“The Indy vote must really be doing well on the Westminster secret polling given the growing infestation of Unionists trying to derail the comments section.”

I think it’s more that recent events reveal that Scotland has royally screwed up the opportunity which devolution had offered, ie: to demonstrate how a responsible, modern democracy would work, and work better, for the majority north of the border; and astonishment that some of you still can’t see it.

Having voted for the independence party (or more likely just the not-the-Lib/Lab/Con Party) some people still believe the corruption and the failures aren’t their problem and more powers given to the same political class would somehow make it all better. Madness.

Forget all the imagined historical injustices, this is about the present and the future. A demonstrable and prolonged 10 to 12% increase in the Yes vote would make IndyRef2 much harder to deny, and that’s not many. Dubious claims of ‘colonisation’ and nonsensical claims of a 300-year old mistake aren’t going to convince more Scots to join, and the increase in conspiracy theories, racism and foul/ intolerant language in the WOS comments won’t boost the Yes vote either. If you just keep blaming Westminster, the English, Unionists and even MI5 you’re in denial.

Northcode

@Chas (7:41pm) used the Anaphora (an-AFF-or-a) figure in his comment.

A government that spends our money effectively and wisely.
A government which put the needs of the people before the needs of themselves.
A government with Ministers with some degree of expertise in the area under their remit.

And he’s used it quite effectively, too.

I don’t agree with Chas’s views.
But I have to give credit where credit’s due.

Because it’s pretty good, and it’s exactly the right way to use Anaphora.

Tinto Chiel

Northcode says: @4:52

@SteepBrae 4:32pm

“Well said, SteepBrae.

A good point about Scotland’s art and music, too.

And Scots writers have produced some of the greatest literature the world has seen.”

Very true, it’s just that very little of it is taught in our “Curriculum for Excellence” schools. An admirable starting point might be the closing pages of “Sunset Song” by Gibbon but I’m not too sure of the gender of the standing stones so mibbes scrub that to avoid offence/hate speech.

Skip_NC says at 6:10 pm:

“I think I must need new glasses. I believe someone, within the last hour, just asked a university professor if he was unable to read and comprehend. That cannot be right. I must have misread it.”

Yes, thought the same myself, S_NC. Must be this post-modernist/End of History world we’re supposed to inhabit nowadays.

Alf Baird

Iain mhor @ 7:12 pm

“Is it cultural”

The aim of Cultural Imperialism is to impose another (dominant) culture on a people, leading to a change in their culture and national identity. So yes, it is cultural ‘conditioning’.

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Ron Clark