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    1. Paula Rose says:

      Darlings – are you being sweet?

    2. Paula Rose says:

      Come on babes – love a bit of competition xx

    3. Paula Rose says:

      All the heavy lifting?

    4. Paula Rose says:

      One more comment thingy? Hate to appear greedy.

    5. Paula Rose says:

      So be it…

    6. Paula Rose says:


    7. Paula Rose says:

      Totally rofl xx

    8. Michael McCabe says:

      I wish you all a good Night. And I leave you with a song for Paula Rose.

    9. Betty Boop says:

      Congratulations Michael McC – You won! First on page. Paula R will need a comforting stroke…xx

    10. X_Sticks says:

      Oh dear Michael, what have you done!

      Paula will be in a huff for weeks!

      No gentle strokes for you, you’ll have to look out for the stilettos and whips ๐Ÿ˜‰

    11. Betty Boop says:

      @ Michael McCabe

      Re your Nationals. After a conversation I had yesterday with an elder citizen in sheltered accommodation, can I suggest that the lounge in such a place would be a good home for them?

      I found that the lady who is an SNP supporter had never heard of the National despite the fact that she and her husband buy a daily.

      The conversation brought home to me yet again that without internet many people are at the mercy of the scurrilous rags which pass for newspapers, etc.

      Buying an extra one and passing it on to a “needy” person/leaving it in a public place is a good use of 50p! ๐Ÿ™‚

    12. Michael McCabe says:

      I Think I am safe from Paula Rose. I Think She was looking for the Number at the top of the Page. 11 Thousand and She got it. About the Nationals I would never just throw them out. I would like to donate them to the YES Library What there is no Yes Library. Well there should be one. Anyway I was Just seeing if anybody on Wings wanted them first.

    13. pete the camera says:

      I don’t know how you did it Paula but Michael was at the top of the page this morning but you seem to have claimed the accolade again,can we raise a strokes for favours question in a higher place ????

    14. Oneironaut says:

      @Michael McCabe
      “I would like to donate them to the YES Library What there is no Yes Library. Well there should be one.”

      This seriously needs to be a thing that exists somewhere…


    15. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Yes Pete , I saw Michael at pole position at lunchtime but…

      I got two email notifications of 2 posts by the vamp at 12.08.


      Paula Rose commented on Off-topic.

      in response to RevStu:

      For off-topic chat. Duh.

      So be itโ€ฆ


      Paula Rose commented on Off-topic.

      in response to RevStu:

      For off-topic chat. Duh.

      All the heavy lifting?

      Now, according to up above, there were no posts between Michael’s at 11.41 and yours at 2.01. Strange, what?

      Now, the thing is, my email notifications USUALLY concur with the times of posting in ‘off-topic’.

      However, Paula Rose’s two posts, which were timed at 12.08 via the email notifications, have mysteriously appeared on the previous page at 12.59AM and 1.11AM – 12 hours earlier, thus bumping Paula Rose’s posts from the bottom of the previous to the top of this one and knocking Michael from the #1 spot.

      Methinks Paula Rose has been offering Rev Stu strokes above and beyond the call of decorum, in return for a page pochle.

    16. Michael McCabe says:

      I Don’t think Paula Rose was aiming for the top of the new Page Comment. She was going for the 11 Thousand Comment which She Achieved. I then Commented again and I did see my Comment at the top of the new page. Now positioned in third Place ? I am happy with that. I am happy to Comment on a Website where the Majority wants Independence. And as for Paula Rose Being at the top of the page. As my old mum taught me. it Should always be Ladies First.

    17. X_Sticks says:


      That’s what I saw too. Michael’s post was 1st on the page this morning.

      Thought I might just have been hallucinating, but if so then you’re obviously on the same drugs! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    18. Michael McCabe says:

      Here is a wee bit of advice from the late great Fankie Miller.

    19. chipmonkey says:

      No-one at all on off topic? You’ll worry us lurkers. Where have you gone?Campaigning?

    20. Paula Rose says:

      Hi chipmonkey – they’re all hiding behind the sofa in a state of shock.

    21. chipmonkey says:

      Oh well. At least there are still 2 of us not banned Paula:-) You’ve not been manipulating for some more girl power again have you?

    22. Thepnr says:

      I’m still lurking ๐Ÿ™‚

    23. X_Sticks says:

      Lurking here too – too much multitasking going on ๐Ÿ˜‰

      It’s getting like the last week of the indyref out there, only it seems its even more heated that that!

    24. ronnie anderson says:

      Naebody telt me aboot the competition of who,s the King of the Castle lol.

    25. Betty Boop says:

      @Oneironaut, 23/4/15, 2:36pm

      @Michael McCabe
      โ€œI would like to donate them to the YES Library What there is no Yes Library. Well there should be one.โ€

      This seriously needs to be a thing that exists somewhereโ€ฆ


      I think that’s what the National Archives of Scotland are for. I don’t know, but, I would imagine that The National is already being archived there. I am fairly certain that IndependenceLive are archiving loads of stuff with them too.

    26. Thepnr says:

      @Betty Boops & Michael McCabe

      The National Library of Scotland has already appealed for information relating to the Referendum.

      The NLS project aims to establish a โ€œunique and valuable resourceโ€ surrounding the referendum campaign that will take shape over the next half century and inform the work of scholars, researchers and journalists of the future.

    27. Michael McCabe says:

      Thanks for that Thepnr I have just put there phone number into my phone and I will give them a call tomorrow. Cheers.

    28. ronnie anderson says:

      Noo ah dont want tae be accused of siding with the enemy nor offending any lucky raffle winners taste buds.

      Whit kind of Malt would be exceptable ?.

    29. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Eezer, Ronnie…

    30. Paula Rose says:

      This english born rose is home

    31. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Look at the image on this YT vid – is the dude second from left the guy who was in Talking Heads? Looks awfy like him…

      Anyway, this is for Jim Murphy, and his endless All-Star Roadshow – everyone loves a trier!

      Jonathan Richman & The Modern Lovers, ‘Roadrunner’ –

    32. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      The final chance to book seats for the minibus from Dundee, through to the Wings Over Scotland get-together in the Counting house in Glasgow on the 1st May will be Sunday evening.

      If we donโ€™t have enough โ€˜bums on seatsโ€™ by then, the minibus will NOT be travelling.

      If you want to book seats, register your claim to seats โ€“ by Sunday evening.

      We need at least another 9 bums or the bus won’t happen. Sunday cut-off is to allow those who have booked seats to make other arrangements.

    33. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @BDTT –

      What a total effing bummer that bus hasn’t been oversubscribed many times over!

      Come on all ye lurkers – this is an historic chance, and it’ll not come again…as is the nature of historic chances.

      Make yourselves known to the man, get yourself a seat booked, and join us for one evening. What’s the worst that could happen? You might even win the raffle!

      Get to it, oh ye accursed by doubt and shyness – a braw nicht awaits ye!

    34. Morag says:

      I’m being told that I have to say I’m coming on 1st May, and book a badge or something. So can I be booked.

    35. Ian Brotherhood says:

      The WOS boys – and girls – will be back in town…be part of it! Book yer seat on the bus, and do it soon!

      Thin Lizzy, ‘The Boys Are Back In Town’ –

    36. Ian Brotherhood says:

      This world do be a strange place, right?

      Anyone care to explain how one dude with a guitar can make this? –

      John Martyn, ‘I’d Rather Be The Devil’ –

    37. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Morag.

      That’s you on the list.

      I’m having an early night tonight, just about to turn in, because I have to be up early tomorrow for the minibus through to the rally in George Square.

      So, tonight, I will leave you with this, for 25th April, ANZAC Day.

    38. Paula Rose says:

      Morag! Sweetness! You are going to be at the CH? I will be there xxx

    39. Paula Rose says:

      Darlings you can come out now – yes wee michael had his wee bit of fame, oh how you all were so concerned (or not) about my disappointment – notes have been taken, never mess again sweeties – the next ‘king of the castle’ will have difficulty walking.

    40. Paula Rose says:

      @ Beedeeteetee 11:50 kisses honey – let us remember.

    41. Paula Rose says:

      RIGHT enough maudling get the juke-box fired up, Wreckless Eric in twenty seconds unless…

    42. Paula Rose says:

      such joy and pleasure – the dansette is loaded

    43. Paula Rose says:

      ffs – music NOW

    44. Paula Rose says:

      Please do not ask for any more

    45. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Paula Rose. Not Happy with the wee Michael. Anyway this one is for You.

    46. Michael McCabe says:

      Re The first one hundred National newspapers mentioned in my earlier posts. I phoned the Edinburgh South Yes Cafรฉ Yesterday and they sounded happy to take them. I will hopefully drop them off to them early next week.

    47. Cactus says:

      y’Aldi (c) Michael McCabe & Paula Rose, what you two up to at this time once upon a Saturday morn?

      Grooooovy chunes ah swell.

    48. Wee Jonny says:

      I woke up this morning to find a huge pile of dogshit had been pushed through my letterbox.

      Or “Labour election leaflets” as they’re otherwise known.

      True Story.

    49. Wee Jonny says:

      My mum ran off with the milkman when I was eight years old.

      Watching them drive away on his float were the worst three hours of my life.

      True Story.

    50. Wee Jonny says:

      My wife came up to me the other day and asked me, “what do you like most, my pretty face or my sexy body?”

      I looked her up and down from head to toe.

      “Your sense of humour” I replied.

      True Story.

    51. Wee Jonny says:

      My wife said she was going to leaving me at 2 o’clock if i didn’t give up my obsession with horse racing.

      I replied, That fine by me, You better get packing, It’s 5-2

      True Story.

    52. john king says:

      wee Jonny
      Woohahahahahaha. ๐Ÿ™‚

      I have a true story
      A mild-mannered man was tired of being bossed around by his wife so he went to a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist said he needed to build his self-esteem, and so gave him a book on assertiveness, which he read on the way home. He had finished the book by the time he reached his house.

      The man stormed into the house and walked up to his wife. Pointing a finger in her face, he said, “From now on, I want you to know that I am the man of this house, and my word is law! I want you to prepare me a gourmet meal tonight, and when I’m finished eating my meal, I expect a sumptuous dessert afterward. Then, after dinner, you’re going to draw me my bath so I can relax. And when I’m finished with my bath, guess who’s going to dress me and comb my hair?”

      “The funeral director,” said his wife.

    53. Quentin Quale says:

      Ian B. Just in case that was an honest question – the Echoplex. John Martyn, what a talent. Saw him many, many times but best had to be the One World tour at Leeds Uni in late 70s. Echoplex AND quadrophonic speaker set up. Michty.

    54. Wee Jonny says:

      John King
      I believe that was a true story from the King residence. And I’m glad Irene let you away we that one ๐Ÿ˜‰

    55. Paula Rose says:

      Michael McCabe sweetie – I’m sure you’re very big in all the important areas xx

    56. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Quentin Quayle –

      I’m properly jealous.

      The question was, in a way, serious, because I listened to Martyn stuff for years without realising how much he does. I’d assumed that a lot of his stuff was down to hours in the studio, fiddling with knobs a la Mike Oldfield etc. Wasn’t until I saw YT vids of him on the OGWT and suchlike that it clicked, and I still can’t quite believe it. Even when you get the proper close-ups of his hands, it’s impossible to square that with the sounds he gets. Astonishing stuff.

    57. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @BDTT –

      Any more bums on bus-seats?

      If not, I fear we may have to ask Paula Rose to get out her paddle and have a word with these shy lurkers…harsh, but necessary.

    58. Thepnr says:

      Now bear with me, you may not care much for football but I’m sure you can recognise the difference between mediocre and world class.

      This display of skill from 7 years ago is world class and the music that accompanies the video is pretty dammed good too.

    59. Oneironaut says:

      @Ian Brotherhood
      “Any more bums on bus-seats?

      If not, I fear we may have to ask Paula Rose to get out her paddle and have a word with these shy lurkersโ€ฆharsh, but necessary.”

      Trouble there is, they may not be able to sit down on said seats by the time she’s done! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    60. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      Hoots mister, that was braw. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    61. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Oneironaut –

      Good point. They’ll be on the roof-rack, buttocks facing into the headwind.

      Never mind – we’ll have a bit tub of Savlon waiting for them. (Makes mental note: bring some disposable gloves…)

    62. ronnie anderson says:

      @ BrianDTT CH badges.
      David Mc Guinness & Sarah McGuinness Thanks Brian.

    63. Thepnr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      There you go again, raising the tone of the message in Off Topic ๐Ÿ™‚

    64. Michael McCabe says:

      I had a Box of Disposable Gloves. But I cant remember where I left them.

    65. Thepnr says:

      @Michael McCabe

      Haha reminded me of some Tommy Cooper jokes ๐Ÿ™‚

      Went to the paper shop – it had blown away.

      I went to buy some camouflage trousers the other day but I couldn’t find any.

      I bought some HP sauce the other day. It’s costing me 6p a month for the next 2 years.

      Hey! This is Off Topic right! No need to laugh, but can if you want.

    66. Michael McCabe says: One Lady in the Audience gets what its all about.

    67. Jock Scot says:

      Think @Ian Brotherhood is trying to entice a certain Paula into the conversation..and Ian..Witch Hazel is better ๐Ÿ™‚

    68. TJenny says:

      Hi peeps. Just a few wee thoughts on getting bums on seats for the CH night out.

      1. I admit to not paying much attention to this as I’ll be travelling by train from Edinburgh, BUT…

      I’m not aware of seeing a recent timetable for departure from pick up points, arrival at CH or the departure and estimated drop off times for return journey. Folk need to know this for e.g. child minders or the walking of wee dugs etc.

      2. How much does a seat for bum cost? Don’t know but here’s an idea. As a lot of folk may want to go, but feel they can’t pay and are too embarrassed to say, why don’t we crowdfund the last 9 seats and make them ALL free on a first come first first served basis? (As long as the coach driver is prepared to wait until he reaches the CH or unless a Winger on bus can stump up for 9 seat total, and wait to be recompensed at CH.)

      Come on Wingers, isn’t this what we do? Help those in need?
      I’ll sponsor a seat – anyone else up for it?

      If we get 9 sponsors, maybe the organiser of the bus (Thepnr/BDTT?) could contact Stuey and ask him if we can post the info either as an article or as first comment on next article he posts, to give it prominence. Of course, he might attack you with hammers! For your cheek. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    69. Jock Scot says:

      Count me in for sponsoring a bum, so to speak

    70. TJenny says:

      Jock Scot – my hero. ๐Ÿ˜‰ And that deffo deserves a kiss from me to you on the night. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Will you be leaving from Waverley? If so maybe meet up with you for journey.

      So folks, 2 bums on seats payment commitment – only another 7 to go. ๐Ÿ™‚

    71. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TJenny –

      Good shout. Let’s make it happen – stick or carrot, however.

      It’s not just a ‘social night’ – it’s sending a message to the bullies who tried to claim ‘George Square’ as their territory on Sep 19th. Aye, they can have ‘George Square’, but ‘Freedom Square’ is what it’s already called by many, and will be known as in years to come.

      They can belittle and insult us all they like, but so long as we keep doing this stuff there’s no way we can be ignored.

      Marley, ‘Get Up, Stand Up’ –

    72. Michael McCabe says:

      Just about to post another song. But before I do. Can I just say what an Excellent idea that is TJenny. A lot of great and smart people use this website. Anyway.

    73. TJenny says:

      Here’s a wee tune for Wingers everywhere.

      Bill Withers and ‘Lean on me’

      Enjoy. ๐Ÿ™‚

    74. Michael McCabe says:

      Just love the harmonizing when they get into the song.

    75. Paula Rose says:

      TJenny dear – the lovely Michael McCabe is all mine, hands off honey xx

    76. Cactus says:

      Hey TJenny, count me in a stake for some of that sponsorship action. Get the on-board entertainment sorted out ye passengers.

      I reckon some of the many viewers on here will appear in words yet, will probably feel compelled to do, more than ever.. after all, it’s now easy, like Sunday morning.

      You got five and legs eleven days tae go.

    77. ronnie anderson says:

      @ T Jenny. Im in for ยฃ20,jist get ah erse on aah seat.

    78. X_Sticks says:

      Count me in for the sponsorship of a seat. ๐Ÿ˜€

    79. pete the camera says:

      Tjenny and others it is great that you are wanting to sponsor seats in the bus only problem is I would feel guilty traveling on Friday with a half empty bus and a lot of fresh air (if only on the outward journey as I am sure on the way back it won’t be as fresh :!) ) as always we have people lurking in the shadows frightend to take the small step and be part of this great community that is WOS,
      on that note at the Wings stall yesterday in George square the sale of badges raised 406.88 going to the Scottish Kidney Federation well done Ronnie Anderson “the walking talking billboard” and “barrow boy” castle hill chav who’s sale patter brought donations from far and wide

    80. Jock Scot says:

      Look forward to that kiss and I will be aiming for about 6.30 from Haymarket but depends on how quickly I can get there from work.

      Guilt has no place oan that bus..dinnae be bringing it with you and we will all see you there with smiles on. Well done with the badges, the stall has never looked busier and it was good to see many people wanting or being (shall we say) coaxed to have a photo with the banner taken. Great company with Brian and Ronnie too and I heard that a Ninja Penguin was in the vicinity.

    81. castle hills chavie says:

      Hey Pete, that’s great news about the money raised. It was a great day, so nice meeting up with fellow Wingers.

      Will see you all on Friday at CH.

    82. LizM says:

      Hi all will be at CH on Friday.

    83. fionan says:

      I would love a seat on that bus, but I don’t suppose it drops by Calais. It will always be a source of disappointment to me that I never managed to get to a Wings do or any of these great rallies, but it has been fun following you all in your various mad exploits, and who knows what the future brings.

    84. Natasha says:

      I’ll sponsor a seat. Only 11 days to go! Keep your fingers and toes crossed for us down here in the Borders.

    85. Betty Boop says:

      Hi folks,

      Been a few days since I have been on off topic and find that T Jenny has suggested something I was discussing with the other half.

      Re: sponsoring seats on the bus from Dundee, count JimT and me in.

      Bdtt/Pete/Alex – how much do you need for the untaken seats? If we know that, we know what we are aiming at and I’ve no doubt it will be covered, one way or another ๐Ÿ˜‰

      btw, you are heroes for collecting so much in Glasgow – Ronnie too, of course ๐Ÿ™‚

    86. ronnie anderson says:

      SoS I forgot to mention our other assistants at the Freedom Square rally Jock Scott ( Yew Choob Channel) & Young Martyn in Da Hoose, (caz ms) laddy.

    87. Thepnr says:

      Dear all you generous people, it’s great to know that we will all help where possible but that may not really be the issue.

      I definately want the bus to go so BTDD it must go even with a few hardy souls, it would not be right now not to go. I’m sure you know what I mean.

      Unfortunately, I have to say I can no longer attend, my Father In law passed away on Friday and his funeral is next Friday.

      I’ve let down Paula Rose as I was to drive her though and back, sometimes circumstances defeat your best plans and all that, but we are meantime sorting alternatives.

      I really hope the Dundee bus goes ahead just so those that have already booked get there, then I’d be happy. Even happier if anyone who had maybe thought of going and had now decided to get their name down for the bus.

      Loads of Dundonians on this site, go on, it will be a good night. Your last chance to meet other Wingers before the vote. Don’t be shy it, you will enjoy it. I promise ๐Ÿ™‚

      Something to tell the grandchildren and you’ll get a badge ๐Ÿ™‚

    88. Jock Scot says:

      Condolences and you will be in our thoughts. See you at the next one.

    89. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      Really sorry to hear that mister. You’ll be missed on the night, but we’ll raise one to ye.

    90. Paul Rose says:

      Darlings you’ll have read Thepnr’s sad news. Now though I have nowhere to stay overnight – I can get the bus through but if I get it back I’ll be stuck in Dundee! Quelle horreur!

      Anyone ready to sleep on their sofas?

    91. Betty Boop says:

      @ Thepnr

      Alex, you are having a tough time at the moment. Sorry to hear about your loss. What a sad time it has been for you and your family over the past couple of months.

      Sorry you will not be with us on Friday, but, we’ll raise a glass to you and your family and you will all be in our thoughts.

      As for the bus, you Dundonian Wingers (including lurkers) hiding out there heard Alex, did you not? Make yourselves known to Briandoonthetoon and book your seat on the bus. Come along and meet a great bunch from the Wings family. You won’t be disappointed and you will definitely be amused! ๐Ÿ™‚

    92. Natasha says:

      Dear Thepnr, I’m so sorry. Please pass on my sympathies to your wife.

    93. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Alex.

      Sorry to read your news. My thoughts are with you and yours.

      Re: the minibus from Dundee. I had a blether with Pete the Camera today about the situation; it’s pointless sending a 19-seater minibus to Glasgow with 6 or 7 bums in it.

      If there’s no minibus, Pete will take his car, which covers him, me, my son, and Sand Holmes from work. That leaves Chipmonkey, Quentin Quayle and Paula Rose to arrange something.

      It would be great if a lone driver was heading to Glasgow and could travel via Brechin and Blairgowrie, to hoover up the three amigos.

      Onnyhoo, I have repeated the post below on two Facebook pages with which I am associated: the “YES BUS… SCOTLAND’S DRAGON FOR INDY” page,

      and the “Yes We Care Dundee” page.

      Here’s what I posted.

      We’ve been trying to organise a minibus down to Glasgow on Friday, 1st May, for the Wings Over Scotland get-together at the Counting House, on the corner of George Square.
      We only have 24 hours left to make a decision on whether to book the minibus.
      Leaving Dundee at around 5.15 pm; leave from Glasgow at 00.15.
      We’re still short of the needed number of bums so If you want to book seats for what will be a great night, stick a post in here, claiming however many seats you need.
      The cost will be ยฃ10 return.
      Remember, you only have 24 hours.

      We’ll see what transpires…

    94. Thepnr says:

      Thanks all for the kind words.

      What is it though that makes some of us “scared”. I really don’t know. That’s just me though.

      Dundee fowk show us your mettle, there really is nothing to fear, they fear us, never forget that.

    95. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      OK, here’s the updated list of peeps who have asked for badges on Friday. Add these names to the list I already posted on the 19th, at:-


      Sarah McGuinness

      David Mc Guinness


      And the ones I picked up at George Square yesterdayโ€ฆ

      Ninja Penguin

      Nod Bruce

      Iain Bruce

      Jรถrdi McArthur

      Alan Walker

      Scott Chung

      Gillian Ruglonian

      Regretfully, I have removed Thepnr from the list. That makes 52 so far.

      Any more? You only have until TUESDAY evening to claim your badge for Friday.

    96. Oneironaut says:

      Sorry to hear about that ๐Ÿ™

      Can’t be of much help with the bus seat sponsorship I’m afraid, as I’m starting to wonder if I’ll even have enough for the train fare up to Glasgow.

      I’ll try to be there on the night, but it’s a bit uncertain as yet.

      Wish I could be of more help than that, but such is the story of my life it seems…

    97. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Thepnr. Sorry to here of your loss.

    98. Michael McCabe says:

      Somebody put this up on twitter, Tommy Sheridan I think. I hope this works ? if it does it will seriously make you laugh out loud.

    99. Michael McCabe says:

      Sorry about that last post. its the same video that I seen on twitter. but it had subtitles. and the one I posted has not. if anybody has seen the one with Subtitles and knows how to post it here on off topic would you Please. Cheers.

    100. Cactus says:

      48 VIP seats now remaining at the Counting House gig in Glasgow ๐Ÿ˜‰

    101. JLT says:


      Hi matey. Sorry about your loss. My sympathies to yourself and the family. Take care.


    102. Betty Boop says:

      @Cactus, 4:00am

      I see what you did there! ๐Ÿ™‚

      BTW, 4:00am!!!! You are more of a nighthawk than moi ๐Ÿ™‚

    103. X_Sticks says:


      Really sorry to hear of your loss. My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

      You will be sorely missed at the CH, but we will be thinking of you.

    104. Fiona says:

      Sorry to intrude but Counting House is wetherspoons is it not?

      It seems their outlet at Queen St station has refused someone entry for having a saltire, according to twitter

      Any thoughts?

    105. X_Sticks says:


      I’m no VIP but I would like a seat to rest my old bones – big smilie thing!

    106. Betty Boop says:

      @ Fiona, 10:05am

      I believe the establishment refusing entry was the one in front of Queen Street Station, Camperdown Place I think it is named, beside Burger King.

      That is the one I saw in a photo with regard to this story.

    107. Betty Boop says:

      @X_Sticks, 10:19am

      I think your VIP seat is booked already – you’re on the list!! :-O

      See ya there or be square ๐Ÿ™‚ That old phrase just popped into this old head… 1960s memory? ๐Ÿ™

    108. Fiona says:

      @ Betty Boop,

      Yes it was.

    109. Betty Boop says:

      @ Fiona, 10:05am

      Forgot to say, is it perhaps because the saltire was on a pole. I believe CH refused to let folk in with flag poles in the past. Giving the benefit of the doubt, probably from a health and safety perspective.

    110. Fiona says:

      Not sure, Betty Boop: but the lady was in wheelchair and the child with her was wearing a flag. I only know what is on twitter, but it doesn’t sound good.

      Not taking any particular position: just thought that those going to the CH might want to think about it

    111. Betty Boop says:

      @Michael McCabe, 2:27am

      This is the link with the subtitles:

      Enjoy ๐Ÿ™‚

    112. Thistle says:

      Hi all

      we are doing another Crowdfunder called “Going Foward”. Anything you can do to help would be appreciated as always.

      Alex, my thoughts are with you. I hope I can see you soon maybe at another WoS meetup.

    113. Betty Boop says:

      @ Thistle

      Just added a bit to your fund. I am sure you will make the target once you get all the Wingers on board. I’ll put it about some FB sites as well.

      You were looking well at the SNP Conference, if very busy :-)- the coffee wasn’t bad though!

    114. cearc says:


      Sorry to hear that.

      Best wishes to you and your wife.

    115. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Betty Boop Thanks.

    116. castle hills chavie says:

      Alex, very sad to hear of your loss, many thoughts from me and mine, to you and yours.


      Can I have a badge as well…?

    117. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Castle Hills Chavie.

      Of course! I forgot to add you to the list last night.

      I’m just about to check Facebook – I know from email notification that at least one Winger has expressed an interest in going on the minibus.

      Eh wull keep yooz posted, an’ thah’, iye?

    118. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi peeps.

      Craig Allan Stewart has expressed a wish for a seat.
      That gives us 8 –

      Quentin Quayle
      Pete the Camera
      Brian Doonthetoon
      Hanii Puppy
      Sand Holmes
      Paula Rose
      Craig Allan Stewart

      So we still need 7 or 8 to make it worthwhile.
      Leaving Dundee at around 5.15 pm; leave from Glasgow at 00.15.
      If you want to book seats for what will be a great night, stick a post in here, claiming however many seats you need.
      The cost will be ยฃ10 return.

      We could pick up/drop off at Perth, Auchterarder, Blackford and so on, down the A9/M9 – Stirling Services, Cumbernauld, for example.

      The cut-off time will have to be midnight tonight, to allow peeps to make other arrangements if no minibus.

    119. Macart says:

      Deepest condolences Alex.

      Another time for the meet and greet.

    120. Betty Boop says:

      Calling Angus and all points SW down the M9 and M80.

      Re the Dundee charabanc, come on folks, get your name down for Brian’s bus to the Wingding in Glasgow.

      Just look at the names of those who will be on board; ยฃ10 is cheap for the entertainment, not to mention the fantastic scenery, you will get on the journey with those friends and you will still be looking forward to the amusement at the CH!

      Your carriage awaits… roll up! ๐Ÿ™‚

    121. Paul Rose says:

      How about starting the bus in Brechin? Good idea don’t you think?

    122. X_Sticks says:


      Why? What’s in Brechin?

    123. Paula Rose says:

      Moi, you silly boy – why? Are you driving to Glasgow and back sweetie?

    124. X_Sticks says:

      Unfortunately not Paula, I’m planning to relieve the strain and get the train.

    125. chipmonkey says:

      X-sticks… get off the train in Dundee and come in the bus with the A team. ๐Ÿ™‚ Please.

    126. chipmonkey says:

      Wee Jonny… why are you not coming on Friday,on the bus? Can’t you change your mind?

    127. X_Sticks says:

      Would love to chipmonkey but I’ll be going down early to get some other things done ๐Ÿ™

    128. Taranaich says:

      Technically 9 days to go now, but I was determined to have a very basic “why am I voting SNP” post up, to see if I could elucidate.

      I really wanted to convey to people just what a change the SNP have made for me in my day-to-day life, and why voting for them has been so beneficial even in an abstract way – making friends, self-development, helping hands – beyond simple policy.

      The SNP really is a movement, now.

    129. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Taranaich Hear,hear!”

    130. caz-m says:

      Ronnie Anderson

      Hi Ronnie, I have just finished night shift out here.

      Is this for the Counting House night out?

      Thanks for asking about the names. Just put down Caz and Martyn.

      I come off the rig on Friday, so we should be there. Will check out your reply later, I’m off to bed Ronnie, nighty night.

    131. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi peeps.

      Sorry, we can’t go ahead with the minibus – only 8 have said they wanted a seat. 4 of us are going down in Pete’s car, leaving Paula Rose (Brechin), Chipmonkey and Quentin Quayle (Blairgowrie) and Craig Allan Stewart (Dundee) to make other arrangements.

      Apologies again.


      Hi Caz-m.

      I’ll add you two to the badge list.

      This evening is anyone’s last chance to claim a personalised badge if you’re gonna be at the get-together on Friday.

    132. Oneironaut says:

      Folowing your post on the “The punch Ali didnโ€™t throw” article, is there anything I can do to help out with the rest of the Devo Files?

      Definitely feel that they’re information that should be available to everyone running an election campaign stall in the final days till voting day.
      Confront a few of Labour’s few remaining loyal voters with the ugly truth… (Not that they’ll be likely to see it through those rose-tinted goggles!)

    133. chipmonkey says:

      Glum face thingy. Sorry folks. No way QQ or I can drive to Glasgow and back at the end of a busy day without collapsing in a heap. I’ve checked out bus and train from Dundee,but with the lowest price about ยฃ28.70 each to still have to leave just after 10… well no sense in that. I even checked out the Premier Inn to stay over until I realised that would make it a bit hard to campaign at home on Saturday morning:-) Have a nice night. xx

    134. chipmonkey says:

      @bdtt thank-you for trying so hard ๐Ÿ™‚

    135. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Cheers Chipmonkey.

      It’s a fine minibus too – we used it to go to the rally in Glasgow on Saturday. It’s actually a 19 seater.

      Onnyhoo, $hยกโ€  happens, iye?

    136. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Chipmonkey if its any help I will be going to Dundee on Sat morning, I could run you & Graeme back to BlairG. We tip put ah bit of grey rince in your hair & get a over 55 rail ticket lol.

    137. Paula Rose says:

      re Friday night – sob sob sob.

    138. Robert Kerr says:

      I use Linkedin and accessed the site today. I checked out the “people you may know” list and was amazed to find one Kezia Dugdale complete with photograph listed.

      Can anyone give me any thoughts on how this may have happened? My name is of course in plain view here on WoS.

    139. Betty Boop says:

      Aww – so unhappy that you lovely peeps from points north of Dundee are unable to travel to Glasgow.

      Honestly, some of us have already offered to chip in for the bus and I am sure we would have managed to find any extra dosh if required on the night ๐Ÿ™

      Can ye no change your mind folks and hire that bus cos you will all be sorely missed otherwise. Have a wee think – and, heavens, Paula Rose’s counselling and therapy services will be in demand on Friday :-0

    140. Paula Rose says:

      Betty Boop honey – all I need is one gallant winger to sleep on his sofa and I will be there, I’m not a teenager, so staying up all night is not an option.

    141. Betty Boop says:

      @Paula Rose,

      Had we lived somewhere sensible instead of the western fringes of civilisation, a bed for the night would be no problem.

      As it is, we have booked overnight in Glasgow because the last train back to the boonies leaves at a ridiculously early time.

      So, Wingers, the call is out – one sofa required with PR’s name on it!

    142. Paula Rose says:

      Oh well I’ll slum it – offers of a sofa will be gratefully received, I know I’ve been spoilt with water beds and four-posters at previous night-outs!

    143. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Paula Rose You can stay with me I have a spare bed,& get a one way rail ticket, dare I say it for people over a certain age but it is ยฃ20 return any where in Scotland & thats cheaper than a one way ticket. I will be going to Dundee on Sat morning.

    144. Paula Rose says:

      Stay with the incomparable ronnie anderson! My I’m all aflutter!

    145. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Paula Rose Aye but leave your crystal bell,on your own bedside cabinet,there,s nae servants here lol, oh my god I,ll need tae by napkins.

    146. Paula Rose says:

      Well I did say I was prepared to slum it at 8:59 – la contessa is raising her eyebrows.

    147. Betty Boop says:

      @Paula Rose

      Stop fluttering. The bed is in Ronnie’s shed ! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    148. Paula Rose says:

      A bed in history! Swoon…

    149. Paula Rose says:

      But mes petites, nous avons to get les QQ and chipmonkey a la event aussi. Nous avons le return journey sorted – any way we can sort this?

    150. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Paula Rose.

      Good to read that you have, in your own style, secured a berth for the night in Ronnie’s shed.

      I did a quick search, as you typed, “Oh well Iโ€™ll slum it”.

      There’s a luxury charabanc leaves Seagate Bus Station in Dundee at 17.05 and arrives at Glasgow’s Buchanan Bus Station at 18.40. This gives you 20 minutes to sassily promenade down the road to the Counting House, awarding the crowds who have rushed to get a glimpse of you (word on the grapevine), with your customary demure ‘wave’.

      Journey details here:-

      If you’re coming back up to Dundee with Ronnie on Saturday, that means you’ll be able to join the rest of the Wingers campaigning with Team YES Bus at City Square!

      Dundee will be honoured…

    151. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Just did a post but it “is awaiting moderation.”

    152. Paula Rose says:

      Chipmonkey and QQ – we can do this, drive to mine, we get a lift to the station, we go to Glasgow, you stay in a tinkly bell place – other wingers help with funds if need be, ronnie anderson drives us to Dundee, I’ll get us a lift to mine and on to yours – simples.

    153. Paula Rose says:

      BDTT dearie did you use swearie words?

    154. chipmonkey says:

      You are a honey Paula. We have been quiet because we want to come. Emailing you with an idea. xx

    155. X_Sticks says:

      I’m with Betty.

      Just get the bus folks.

      According to Brian there were 7-8 seats at ยฃ10 needed.

      I will guarantee to pay the ยฃ80 required. If anyone else wants to chip in fine, but the cost will be covered. You have my word.

    156. cearc says:


      About 95% that I will be there.

    157. Betty Boop says:

      @ X_Sticks

      Aye, whatever it takes! Looks like Chips might have a plan too though.

      Need to talk about future strategy sometime too – there will be future gatherings ๐Ÿ™‚

    158. Paula Rose says:

      chipmonkey – I find that keeping quiet is not a good way of signalling that you are coming, just saying like.

    159. Paula Rose says:

      Just Craig Allan Stewart to sort out.

    160. chipmonkey says:

      I am delighted to inform you that the triple A team of Paula Rose,Quentin Quale and myself will indeed be arriving at said CH wings get together. ????

    161. Natasha says:

      Happy to help with the cost of the bus.

      Guess what? I get to be a counting agent! Yayyy!

    162. chipmonkey says:

      QQ and I had resigned ourselves to being sensible (What?us?) and staying home on Friday evening.Not happy bunnies though. Then I happened to pick up my multimedia device and read posts and emails. Paula Rose and QQ both came up with plans.
      Please,please put us back on the list!!

    163. chipmonkey says:

      Where will Craig Allan Stewart be on Friday pm?

    164. Paula Rose says:

      The tears are long since wiped from my eyes – we will be amongst you, cearc that would be the icing on the cake to see you again. Morag my pet you too.

    165. Oneironaut says:

      Afraid I’m going to have to drop off the list for CH too.

      The Council Tax folks just helped themselves to the last of my cash for the rest of the week, so I now have no way of getting to Glasgow. ๐Ÿ™

      Probably for the best, since my previous antisocial tendencies have only increased since the referendum result! ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Also I have a lot of sleep to catch up on…

    166. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Chipmonkey I sent you a Email re Hotel did you get it.

    167. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Betty Boop There,s nothing wrang wie ma shed it might leak ah bit,but I wont let the Raindrops fall on oor lovely Paula Rose, I,ll give her a big umbarella.

    168. Paula Rose says:

      Oneironaut – I’ve just had a dreadful dream where you didn’t show on May 1st, please come along, many friends have made it possible for me to do so, we’ll do the same for you.

    169. Paula Rose says:

      To spend the night in the most famous shed in Scotland alongside the swifts and swallows – I shall spend the night skyclad.

    170. ronnie anderson says:

      Im still on for ยฃ20 to help with bus costs

    171. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Oneironaut I,ll punt up for your fare just get there.

    172. Paula Rose says:

      Too late dolly.

    173. Paula Rose says:

      Oneironaut – I’ll buy you a dreamy cocktail xxx

    174. Oneironaut says:

      @ronnie anderson
      Thanks for the offer, but Glasgow is a bit too far to walk to from the west coast.

      @Paula Rose
      I don’t drink alcohol, but thanks for the offer.
      Also dreams are fascinating things. Especially skyclad dreams! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    175. Paula Rose says:

      Some papaya honey?

    176. Jock Scot says:

      Hope as many make it as possible on Friday..a meeting of Wingers minds in a collective social, ought to be significant.So on the last Friday of the current regime let’s plot the future and make it happen….Umbrellas and sheds..what is a mind to think x

    177. Jock Scot says:

      TJenny suggested sponsoring bums on seats for the Dundee bus and about ยฃ50 was pledged. If the bus isn’t happening and you are needing a help oot from fellow wingers then we are here and 50 quid may get and return you to west coast.

    178. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I see my post at 9.45pm has been successfully moderated but has been superseded by subsequent arrangements.


      Betty Boop mentioned,

      “The bed is in Ronnieโ€™s shed”

      Reminds me of an old Dundee phrase, “Behd in the shed”, the meaning of which can be found on this page:-

    179. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Just to let yooz ken…

      That’s the badge list closed. Last entry was cearc.

      We’ll have some blanks with us on Friday for peeps who haven’t asked and turn up on the night.

      Night all. Take care out there.

    180. Betty Boop says:

      @Bdtt & Paula Rose

      Behd in the shed

      LOL and I was already trying to get over Paula R “skyclad”!!! Does that mean she takes the stilettos off or leaves them on?

      @ Ronnie
      There was no implication that there is anything wrong with your shed – I think it’s braw ๐Ÿ™‚ Mind you, Paula R thinks she’ll be spending the night with “the swifts and the swallows” – hae ye telt her aboot the spideys and the speugs?

      As mentioned above, the more the merrier and we’ll see you okay, but, anybody driving over from the west coast who could offer a lift?

    181. Oneironaut says:

      @Jock Scot
      50 quid is way too much!
      Don’t want to become one of Labour’s “scroungers” do I? ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Seriously, don’t worry about it.

    182. Betty Boop says:

      @ Natasha

      Hope you have a good night at the count. JimT and I were at the Ref count, and JimT is a counting agent for this one too.

      I get to sleep this time ๐Ÿ™‚

      Both doing Postal Vote observing – like watching paint dry at times, but, someone’s got to do it.

    183. Michael McCabe says:

      I was looking for a nice mellow song to play at this time of the Morning. And I settled for this.

    184. Oneironaut says:

      I don’t do mellow music much these days…

      Besides, I’ve had this song stuck in my head for three days straight now, since a webcomic artist from Holland introduced me to these guys via a link two weeks back.
      Only right that I inflict it on everyone else too. Sharing is caring! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    185. Betty Boop says:

      @ Michael McCabe, 2:55am

      Lovely, wee tune Michael and very relaxing until, at advancing age, you listen to the words! “…things I might have missed” and “settled for…” and also noting that you’ve probably forgotten anyway. ๐Ÿ™‚

      Jings, I’ll get my slippers.

      Actually, no I won’t:

    186. Betty Boop says:

      @ Oneironaut

      No wonder you can’t get that tune out of your head. That was gooooooood!

    187. Jim Thomson says:

      Still playing with cookies …

    188. Jim Thomson says:

      comment appeared straight away and page auto-scrolled to it. name & e-mail field still empty

    189. Jim Thomson says:

      Last comment didn’t appear immediately and no-autoscroll. Fields empty. That was using a full copy of all cookies for Chrome from the laptop which is fine.

      And yet, this PC was also fine until I deleted all cookies. Bizarre.

    190. Jim Thomson says:

      yet another try after fiddling with Chrome settings

    191. Jim Thomson says:

      Just sent a help query to Google. This might take a while …

    192. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Oneironaut That was new to me and very very good. Cheers

    193. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Betty Boop Loved that version of the song. Cheers

    194. Oneironaut says:

      @Jim Thomson
      When I posted my last message, it appeared immediately. But then when I reloaded the page, it disappeared again and took some time to reappear.

      Suggests it could be an issue causing the browser to reload an older cached version of the page rather than the new one with the comment on it.
      I’ll try clearing the browser cache after sending this and reloading the page.

      See you on the other side… ๐Ÿ™‚

    195. Oneironaut says:

      Ok, follow up to my last post with the little comment posting experiment in it…

      Same thing happened, message appeared instantly, then disappeared when the page was reloaded (by clicking on the thread name “Off-topic” at the top, which is something I do often after posting to clear the ID of my comment from the URL so it doesn’t jump to that every time the page is reloaded).

      Clearing the cache and refreshing the page had no effect, and my message still hasn’t appeared.

      Hopefully it’ll have appeared by the time this one has posted or this message probably won’t make much sense to anyone!

    196. Oneironaut says:

      ALSO, I just noticed that it IS reloading an older version of the page each time, as the two most recent main article links just disappeared off the list when the page was reloaded after posting.

      According to the one I’m looking at right now, “Questions for Jim” was the last main article posted.

      I’d say this also explains why some people reported being redirected to the previous page of comments after posting whenever we move onto a new page.

      Since the browser cache obviously isn’t to blame, I’d say that for some reason it keeps downloading an older version of the page from the server.
      No idea why…

      I’m guessing Patrician might have figured all or most of this out already, but thought I’d mention it just in case it helps get to the bottom of this issue in some way.

      Right, that’s my good deed for the day done. I’m off to scare some Labour activists!

    197. Thepnr says:

      @Paula Rose

      Not sure about moving into Ronnies shed, but glad you found a place anyway.

      Hope he is giving you the 5* shed with the Fridge and the AC rather than the old manky one covered in Yes paraphernalia?

      Here’s the video my mate made, he payed ยฃ100/night you know ๐Ÿ™‚

    198. Hoss Mackintosh says:

      just a question on golden wings. How did the collection for Robert Peffers go – did he get his wings or how far to go?

    199. Patrician says:

      @Oneironaut, The site is getting worse. tonight is the first time I have encountered getting an older page instead of a new one. I have two tabs open, same page on both tabs, it shows 13 comments on one tab and on the other it is over twenty. When I refresh the pages(using all the strange tricks) they both stay at the same number of comments.

      I have said this before, this is a server side issue and there isn’t much we can do about it but suck it up.

    200. Michael McCabe says:

      Gonna leave you with a couple of songs from the band.

    201. john king says:

      I’ve been trying to persuade Irene to get on here and start posting, but I think she thinks she’ll have nothing of importance to say, I pointed her to my posts, (steady there Paula Rose)cumon guys what about private messaging her to get her to break her duck,

      When she comments on events happening past my bedtime ๐Ÿ™ her observations are much more incisive than she thinks and the (second hand) influence of Wings is getting her to take a more critical look at what is being said rather than just assuming anything she’s told on tv must be true,

      She is a classic example of a L.I.V (I mean that in a nice way) who has had thier eyes opened and if she is anything to go by we are winning the fight with the uninformed and uninterested, we just have to keep plugging away.

      A no voter at work initiated a conversation with me(always a good sign) who said that in spite of voting no he would be an SNP voter since Labour were not representing his views but asked when are we going to get over the whole independence schtick since we’re twtpts to run our own country, I simply responded that if after 300 year s of Westminster rule we are twtpts, who should he blame for that and why should we continue down such a self depreciating path as that,
      it looked like a paradigm shift took place right in front of my eyes and he turned quietly away and got back on with his work

    202. john king says:

      Croompenstein Croompenstein wherefore art thou Croompenstien?

      Are you going to the Counting House and if not why not, we’ve met just about everyone else (collectively) but I have never had the pleasure of meeting your good self, get your arse along there. ๐Ÿ™‚

    203. X_Sticks says:

      @Irene King

      Come on Irene!

      I know you can add something worthwhile here and your input will be appreciated. You don’t have to go full frontal on the main thread, you can just dip a toe in here on off topic. It really doesn’t hurt at all.

      My only word of caution is that it can become addictive. Look at thon John King, we cannae shut him up sometimes!

    204. cearc says:


      I mooted it here on OT but no-one responded at all to the idea so it didn’t take off.

      I now feel a bit bad because I think if I had just gone ahead and posted on the threads that I might well have got it even though it was late in the appeal. He surely deserves one.

    205. cearc says:


      C’mon, Irene, c’mon.

    206. bob sinclair says:

      John King,

      A friend carried out a ‘Poll’ in her place of work with the following results:

      12 No
      8 Yes

      GE 2015
      23 SNP
      1 Labour

      The Labour guy is a party member and is voting Labour out of ‘obligation’.

      Ive told my friend im very dissapointed in these figures & she must try harder ๐Ÿ™‚

    207. Oneironaut says:

      Did a poll of my own here at home…

      2 Yes
      0 No

      Then again, the second voter wasn’t eligible to vote in the referendum as he was a woodlouse I found under the garden shed.

      Still, shows some promise… ๐Ÿ™‚

    208. Cactus says:

      Ye be right Oneironaut.

      I did a poll of my own here at home…

      2 Yes
      0 No

      Then again, the second voter wasnโ€™t eligible to vote in the referendum as she was my yes guitar, who sits on her stand.

      Sorry to hear you and Alex canny make Glasgow tomorrow.. enjoy the live-streamed version instead! Cheers to yee’s.

    209. Betty Boop says:

      C’mon Irene, C’mon Irene – you even have your own song!

      Shove John off the keyboard for a while. Your time is now (Nicolas says so!). A wee comment here and there and you never know where it ends up – like Arbroath for instance. Now there’s a town that seems to have had a change of heart since last summer’s festivities ????

    210. Oneironaut says:

      “Sorry to hear you and Alex canny make Glasgow tomorrow.. enjoy the live-streamed version instead! Cheers to yeeโ€™s.”

      Thanks ๐Ÿ˜€

      If I can get on the Livestream, I’ll take a quick peek at you all there.

      Hope you’ve invited the Yes Guitar. Does she have a name badge?

      Have a great night! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    211. Thepnr says:


      Noooooo! Don’t do it, no matter how many try and persuade you. It will take over your life.

      In saying that, there could be worse things to take over your life. So would like to see you dip a toe in the water, especially if it keeps John off the laptop and we don’t have to hear as much from him ๐Ÿ™‚

    212. X_Sticks says:


      Irene sneaked in on the main thread – I wouldn’t have noticed if it hadn’t been for mumsyhugs!

      As you say Alex, a slippery slope…

    213. Thepnr says:


      I saw your post today and mumsyhugs and was lost. Hahaha I missed the Eccles reference and was searching for Irene. Good handle choice Irene.

      Love and kisses ๐Ÿ™‚

    214. Paula Rose says:

      Raffles will be king.

    215. Thepnr says:

      @Paula Rose

      Or she may prefer to be Queen LOL.

    216. Paula Rose says:

      Takes the cake.

    217. Paula Rose says:

      Raffles honey – will we have the pleasure of your company at the CH?

    218. Natasha says:

      What time are we meeting up at the Counting House?

    219. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      Hello, I just wanted to say how much I’m looking forward to meeting you all tomorrow. I was supposed to attend the last shindig but couldn’t at the last minute, so try and stop me now!
      I’m lucky that I’m only 10 minutes away, but I am hoping that distance isn’t going to put people off cos I’m really looking forward to hearing the nationwide campaigning stories. This election is impossible to call, as we know, but the constituency make-ups are all so diverse that it will be fascinating to hear first-hand experiences from far and wide.

      For anyone reading this who’s considering coming tomorrow, but is maybe a wee bit shy, well I’m not a prolific poster or the most outgoing of people but I have met individual wingers at rallies and things and they were very nice!!
      Also, the opportunity to speak freely amongst like minded thinkers is to good to pass up ๐Ÿ˜‰ So, go on, go on, go on, go on…

    220. Paula Rose says:

      Time Natasha? this much


    221. Paula Rose says:

      Can’t resist – sniggle

    222. Paula Rose says:

      Gillian_Ruglonian – sweetie I can’t wait to meet you and everyone else, I’m the sassy blond.

    223. Oneironaut says:

      Hmm, not getting the Eccles reference… Is that an in-joke or am I just thick? hehe ๐Ÿ™‚

    224. Natasha says:

      @Paula Rose
      Yes, very nice darling, but I still don’t know what time to turn up!

    225. Paula Rose says:

      My chauffeur assures me that he will deliver me to the door at 7:30 – my wee cherub Natasha – I expect the seats will have been taken by then. I’m going for flatties as I’ll probably be on my feet all night.

    226. Oneironaut says:

      Not sure if I’ve met you yet. Mystery Winger there ๐Ÿ™‚

      As for campaign stories… I don’t think I really have any. None that are particularly interesting anyway.
      Lots of standing around in the freezing cold lately.

      Although we have met some rather interesting nutters at street stalls. Everywhere has its fair share of nutters, but me and the team I’m in seem to attract some truly spectacular ones…

    227. Paula Rose says:

      Seeing as we are in this world…

      My mum’s favourite…

    228. chipmonkey says:

      Don’t be silly @Paula Rose. When we walk in wearing our sparkly heels as usual,the gentlemen will dash off to buy us drinks and we’ll have our choice of chairs.

    229. X_Sticks says:


      Eccles is John King’s avatar.

    230. Paula Rose says:

      I’m dreaming of meeting an oneironaut tomorrow, and everyone else.

    231. Betty Boop says:

      @Natasha, 10:30pm

      What time are we meeting up at the Counting House?

      I am sure CH is booked from 7.00pm Natasha.

    232. Paula Rose says:

      Chippymonkey honey – maybe the boys will be discombobulated as to how they should behave – I suggest we let them buy the drinks and reserve their seats.

    233. Macart says:


      If the ladies are wearing their sparkly heels I don’t want to clash.

      Pit boots it is then.

    234. cearc says:


      Well spotted!

      Congratulations Irene!

      I had looked at those comments this morning but it may still have been in moderation as a first comment.

      Been driving down most of the day.

      I see Albamac night be there as well, tomorrow.

    235. Oneironaut says:

      @Paula Rose
      I’ll be there in spirit ๐Ÿ™‚

      (Watch out, my spirit has wandering hands! hehe) ๐Ÿ˜‰

    236. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I must be one of that select group of Wingers, who have met Gillian Ruglonian at least once, if not twice. And both times would have been in George Square.

      So there! PARP!

      Looking forward to tomorrow evening, 7pm till throwing out (or up) time…

    237. Paula Rose says:

      Nevermind the Paula Rose…

    238. Betty Boop says:

      See y’all later today ๐Ÿ™‚

    239. Paula Rose says:

      I’m dreaming…

    240. Paula Rose says:

      Pedicure booked

      hair sorted

      Tottie rock outfit procured

      See you all soon xx

    241. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      Hi again, back from the twits!
      Paula – not to put anyone else’s nose out of joint, but you may very well be the main attraction ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Oneironaut – mysterious, I like it!

      Brian – Ha, I knew I existed

    242. Thepnr says:

      @Paula Rose

      All your links are good. However, post too many together then we will miss out. Stick the Ollie and Hardie on again LOL

    243. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      Oh no, I’ve just noticed that my tablet corrected Twitter to twits! Just as I was getting comfy too (my first wee riddy) ๐Ÿ˜‰

    244. Thepnr says:

      Just done a really funny thing there. I still have hundreds of posts to read on two different articles.

      But decided to go to bed instead. Hey for one less grey hair!

    245. CameronB Brodie says:

      @ Will Podmore
      Here’s one to get your teeth stuck in to, if you’re lurking out there. Perhaps Heidegger failed to transcend the boundaries of western metaphysics and ended up rejecting humanism because, unlike Zen Buddhism, he was using western metaphysical tools in his attempt. His dialectic couldn’t get around duality. ๐Ÿ™‚

    246. CameronB Brodie says:

      Thepnr & Broughtyboy
      Sorry for not getting in touch, its nothing personal. I spoke too soon about getting shot of the lurgie. Now my Sciatica has flared up so I’m not going to get to the CH. Bummer. ๐Ÿ™

      Tam Jardine
      No pressure, or have I missed the Edinburgh bash? ๐Ÿ™‚

    247. CameronB Brodie says:

      Sorry. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    248. CameronB Brodie says:

      So the democratic will of an increasing proportion of Scots raiders (voters) looks as if it is about to experience a Pearl (accidentally driving the nose of the board underwater, generally ending the ride).

      Too early in the day? ๐Ÿ™‚

      The Surf Raiders – Point Conception

      Remember were still in a parallel universe, where everything is reversed and vica versa. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    249. caz-m says:

      Ronnie Anderson

      I am not getting off the oil rig until 4pm today. I will get home too late to go to the Counting House. Really disappointed Ronnie.

      Martyn and I will see you sometime very soon. All of you have a great night. If it’s on livestream, i will tune in.

      Be good.

      All the best,


    250. Betty Boop says:

      @caz-m, 8:40am

      Sorry to hear you won’t be at CH. Next time, eh? Safe journey home.

    251. john king says:

      Cameron Brodie @ 2.37 am

      Will just sent me a response to you post Cameron,
      He said
      “well that was Zen this is Tao” ๐Ÿ™‚

    252. john king says:

      Like a bairn going on holiday, counting the minutes.
      see you all tonight folks shame you cant make it Alex, Caz-m and Cameron (get well soon,)I hope you can find a way to come Oneironaut ๐Ÿ™‚

    253. CameronB Brodie says:

      Last one on a surf theme, but it’s a pity I missed this little known mid-60s Northwest stomp-per from the album “Riot City”, when the LibDumbs plunged Scotland into anarchy. ๐Ÿ™‚

      Rocky & The Riddlers – Riot City

    254. Alistair Grapevine says:

      Just boarding plane ( Corfu ) hope to see you all tonight in the CH

    255. CameronB Brodie says:

      john king
      Sharp. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Post-indyref revilation – I hadn’t realised David Carradine had had such a profound effect on me. ๐Ÿ™‚

    256. indigo says:

      Hi folks, I’m not going to make it tonight sadly, it was lovely to meet some of you last Saturday, hope you have a fabulous night, look forward to hearing about it x

    257. CameronB Brodie says:

      I wonder if this will be the next excuse from the Project Fear team, explaining the First Minister’s popularity. ๐Ÿ™‚

      Charles Sheffield – Its your voodoo working

    258. Alex Waugh says:

      Does anyone have details about a get-together at St. Peter’s hall in Hyndland Street, Partick on the 8th? My daughter would like to go but I can’t remember any details, or even where I read about it. Definitely getting doatit!

    259. Oneironaut says:

      Well, thanks to a very kind last minute donation of the train fare from a friend here, I’ll be able to make it tonight after all ๐Ÿ™‚

      (Now I just need to see if I can sneak my cheapo mini Lidl cola bottle in past the doormen…)

      See ya all later then! ๐Ÿ˜€

    260. Cactus says:

      Hey Oneironaut, aint gonna bring my 6-string to this gig but am looking forward to hearing one of Ian B’s musical guests performing for us ๐Ÿ™‚

      To confirm, the Counting House has been booked from 1900hrs (till 3am!)

      The VIP area has been reserved in the south-west corner of the bar, AKA the library.

      For first time navigators, this part of the bar is situated directly across the road from the ‘Subway’ junk food shop on St. Vincent’s Place.

      See ye all there Scotland.

    261. Thistle says:

      Del (10badges) and myself will be seeing some of you folk later at the WoS meetup.

      I was thinking if people interested we could do wee livestreams from George Square about election etc.

    262. JLT says:

      Am in george sq. Away for a coffee …and a wee bit studying. Catch you all later.


    263. Jim Thomson says:

      Sitting in the CH in “our” corner just now. Quite busy.

    264. Jim Thomson says:

      Damn phone screen not updating straight away. Apologies if I seem to be ignoring. ๐Ÿ™

    265. Oneironaut says:

      @Jim Thomson
      Heading there now. Should be with you in about an hour or so, depending on whether anything slows the train down on the way.

      See ya! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    266. Jim Thomson says:

      And just to add to the joy, the library has signs saying private party from 6:30pm

    267. Jim Thomson says:

      our wee bit of the CH starting to empty now. Betty is getting fractious – nae pals yet.

    268. Jim Thomson says:

      Wingers now drifting in …

    269. chipmonkey says:

      The A team will be about another 20 mins at most. We are on our way:-)

    270. Tam Jardine says:

      Hope you all have a great night in Glasgow – sad not to make it through this time..

    271. Wee Jonny says:

      To all attending the Coontin Hoos – Enjoy yirsells.

    272. Tam Jardine says:

      CameronB Brodieย 

      Aye – never organised another Edinburgh mate – I could give you all the reasons but it boils down to being busy and lazy. And not really feeling there was anyone else pushing for one. 190,000 Edinburgers voting no is another reason. There are other, better reasons

      Salut Cameron. One day when we’re auld tins we will tell young folk about these crazy pre indy days

    273. Tam Jardine says:

      auld yins…

    274. Michael McCabe says:

      To Everyone who makes the Counting House Tonight. Have a great time. Wish I was there.

    275. Thepnr says:

      To all my friends and Wingers in the Counting House tonight, I’m sorry I couldn’t make but here’s the instructions for the dance around George Square.

      Have a good one.

    276. Oneironaut says:

      Message from Irene King – Missing you tonight ๐Ÿ™‚

    277. Thepnr says:


      Glad you got there, tell Irene and John I’m missing them too ๐Ÿ™

      Also to Ian, thanks for the mention on Indy Live.

    278. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      Hope all went okay for you today. When I went into CH I spotted someone at the bar, thought it was you – thankfully, I didn;’t clap him on the shoulder! (He was a fine figure of a man, so, I’m sure you’ll agree, the mistake was understandable.)

      @Caz-M –

      I’m sorry mister – said hello to you via the Live stream but got your lad’s name wrong. ๐Ÿ™ Apologies…

      Proper bummer youse weren’t there though – a lot of the usual suspects were there, all looking well up for it. And a good few new faces besides.

      Big hoots tae ane an’ aw. Ye’s are diamonds.

    279. Macart says:

      Had a great night at the CH tonight. A huge pleasure to meet everyone and share a few tales and some laughs.

      See you all on threads when I get home Monday.

    280. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Rihanna, ‘Diamonds’ –

    281. Michael McCabe says:

      Here is a link Nana Smith put up on the main thread. Deserves to be on here too. Labour must hate this guy. Enjoy.

    282. Jock Scot says:

      A Wings social.. use your imagination if you didn’t see it on livestream cos We did. Had a word with Kevin about setting up multiple socials on the same night in different areas, more local to many and do livestreams from them all. If each venue manages to produce 5 laptops for example, every venue could interact whilst those elsewhere will be spoilt for choice. Maybe I had a pint of imagination too many. I blame Paula Rose. Wingers can’t help but enthuse others so thanks to the many, merry band who provided the opportunity to be enthused so much.

    283. Paula Rose says:

      Wow – this shed has wi-fi as well as a jacuzzi! Heaven.

    284. Paula Rose says:

      Oh my – here’s ronnie with the cocoa.

    285. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Got back into YES City just after 2pm, after another successful meeting of ‘Cybernatz Central’ in that Glasgow’s Counting House.

      It was so successful on the scale that we even had a lurker (Hello Shona!) asking for a badge.

      Ian Brotherhood – I’m not sure you actually exist on this astral plane. Umpteen times tonight, I asked various peeps to point you out so I could say hello and the answer, every time was “He was over there. Maybe he’s gone out for a fag.”

      Now, I thought Ronnie Anderson HAD to be a figment of our collective imagination but I KNOW he exists!

      So, in the race for the next Wings get-together, is it gonna be Dundee (Invergowrie) or Edinburgh in early July?

      Stay tuned for the news where you are…

    286. Cactus says:

      Rockin’ it out in Glasgow wingers.. after the CH, me, Cearc & Gillian were bigging it up inda merchant city. These girls know how to party!

      Time to sleep some, kali spera pretty people.

    287. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      @ cactus, you know x

    288. John king says:

      I’ve just been chucked out of our hotel room by irene for making too much racket and it’s too early for her,

      bUt I’m hungry whaaaaaaa ????

    289. Caroline Corfield says:

      Alex Waugh

      Shindig in Hyndland hall for GE….

      I saw something about that on fb, think it was Yes Partick, I won’t find it trawling back because it was a couple of days back, but try their internet presence, fb or maybe they have a site?

    290. Alex Waugh says:

      Cactus says ‘kalispera’


      Are you in Greece or Cyprus Cactus? I’m in Cyprus

    291. Thistle says:

      LIVESTREAM video from Counting House here:

    292. cearc says:

      G’morning, party poppers!


    293. Alex Waugh says:

      Thanks Caroline. I went to the Yes Partick facebook page and sent them a message.

    294. Oneironaut says:

      Everyone manage to survive last night then? ๐Ÿ™‚

      Sorry I didn’t get your reply. I wasn’t even sure that message made it through.
      My mini laptop couldn’t connect to the crappy wi-fi in the CH, so I ended up connecting through Glasgow Council’s wi-fi (which wasn’t much better!)
      I tried to send that message at Irene’s request before having to pack up and dash off for my train before the page had fully reloaded.

      Last night was fun though ๐Ÿ™‚

      Happy to meet Paul, A.K.A. the Wee Ginger Dug at last, even if it was just a brief wave since I was jammed in behind at least three other people!

      Also, nice to meet JLT, and the mysterious (and very pretty!) Gillian_Ruglonian! ๐Ÿ˜€

      Hope everyone isn’t feeling too rough.

      We must do this again soon! ๐Ÿ˜€

    295. HandandShrimp says:

      Nice meeting you all again. I should have been more definite about attending and got a wee badge ๐Ÿ™‚ However, all in, a very pleasant evening.

    296. Quentin Quale says:

      @Thepnr, we all missed you, man, hope you are well. We didn’t manage the River Dance but wait for this – Paula Rose might have had one sherbert too many but a Fan Dance was performed. If you were luck enough to have seen it then, like me, that is one memory that will stay with you forever.

      Great to meet up again with old friends and a big hello to all the new friends. Roll on the next shindig.

    297. Hoss Mackintosh says:


      maybe Rec Stu could give Roberts Peffers – “Honorary Gold Wings” for all his efforts?

      hint, hint…

    298. cearc says:

      Ahh, You have recovered your voice after being stunned into silence by the fan dance.

      I’m not sure that some of the guys will ever be the same again. It was quite a show!

    299. cearc says:


      Well I certainly think he should get one.

      Perhaps we (preferably you), could gather names and petition Stu?

    300. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I have just surfaced.

      I blame Paula Rose’s fan dance and the Tsing Tao.

      Now off to meet Ronnie and Paula Rose (I think) at the YES Bus at City Square.

    301. Cactus says:

      Hey Alex Waugh, I’m in the sunny climbs of Glasgow. Was listening to some Zorba when I got back home.. Yamas!

      Have a smashin’ time in Cyprus ๐Ÿ™‚

    302. castle hills chavie says:

      What.. mean I missed the fan dance from the delightful Paula Rose.Knew I shouldn’t have left so early and all for the want of not having to wait for a bloody taxi.

      Anyway, so good to meet up with old friends and now new ones, Lollysmum, Macart etc

      Hope to see you all again soon..

    303. CameronB Brodie says:

      Billy Davis & the Legands – Spunky Onions

    304. JLT says:

      Afternoon folks!

      Excellent night last night! Far, far too many names to mention, but finally have faces to many names and pseudo names. Without giving too much away, it was an absolute pleasure to meet Paula Rose.

      Also great to catch up with John and Irene King, whom I hadn’t seen since before the Referendum, when they disappeared somewhere in West Lothian after the great Livingston convoy slightly came apart at Fauldhouse!

      So far, I have done hee-haw studying today (somehow LOL …you have all worn me out from last night, and I only had 3 pints!!!). I really have to motivate myself as I have a final assignment to hand in this week, but I also need to tidy the bathrooms (my orders from Mrs JLT) as well as post final letters around Livi Village …sigh …it never seems to end.

      Anyway …catch up with you all soon! Cheers!!

    305. Thepnr says:


      Yes, I know what you mean. Paula had exactly the same effect on me when first meeting. Starstruck is all I can say. Shame I couldn’t make it, looked like a great doo!

    306. Natasha says:

      I saw the fan dance. I may never recover from the experience. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    307. Quentin Quale says:

      Recover, Natasha? I’m still blushing. So hot I need a fan to cool down. Dammit, there’s that image again.

    308. Thistle says:

      Hi folks

      thank you all for your generosity at CH ๐Ÿ™‚


      LIVE 7th May: Glasgow Emirates Arena #GE2015 We will be livestreaming through the night so please join us and let us know what you think… (Also for you special wingers we could be doing some Skype livestream chats so if you fancy joining us on that then add me to your Skype: indylive1)

    309. X_Sticks says:

      Really enjoyed the get together last night. What a great bunch of people you all are. Always good catching up with faces old and new.

      Just a pity Alex and Caz didn’t make it and Alexandra was missed too ๐Ÿ™ Ah, well, next time guys.

    310. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Just got e-mail from Craig Murray – turns out he was going to join us last night in CH, but last-minute family stuff prevented it. Have replied, saying it’s the thought that counts and I’ll certainly let him know as and when another is arranged.

    311. Natasha says:

      Just want to say hi to the charming SNP supporting rickshaw driver who conveyed me to Cambridge Street car park last night and who should now be lurking here on off topic. Don’t be shy, say hello – we’re very friendly!

    312. Thepnr says:

      Anybody fancy a visit back to the Ferry in a couple of months time?

      A big yellow bus from the central belt would be most welcome.

    313. Ian Brotherhood says:

      John Martyn, ‘Don’t Want To Know’ –

    314. Paula Rose says:

      To be honest ronnie anderson’s shed is not quite the five star residence that I suggested in the early hours.

      The wind did blow, the rain did infiltrate – but a brave spider persisted and eventually succeeded in spinning her web…

      Reminded me of something…

    315. Paula Rose says:

      Very cross the Murphy – snuggle xx

    316. Paula Rose says:

      Very cross the Murphy – SNIGGLE.

    317. Betty Boop says:


      Gee, Alex, what a night! Really sorry you couldn’t be there. Our thoughts were with you and your family.

      Also, shame that Caz-m was too late off the rig to attend – next time, eh?

      Well, the fan dance was going well until Paula Rose, feathery, pink fans swooshing, became distracted by JLT, who looked as though he was going to join Paula on the table, and that was when Paula’s stiletto stuck in the table top.

      Ooh, it was an awkward moment but Paula saved herself with a timely pirouette. She is an absolute class act.

    318. ronnie anderson says:

      Not long in from my sojour to Breichin @ coffe with the delectble Paula Rose & La Contessa ( linen napkins still not back from the laundry)so paper wans. La Contessa made me ah couple of BLT (without the L ) on Wry for my snack back down the road.I.ll need to get somone else to drive Paula Rose, she keeps finding Parking Tickets on my windscreen, (2 to date from the unfair city of Dundee).Onnyhows I hope everybody got home safely from CH & by reading some of the posts another great night.

      @ Thepnr, well missed my friend, by all.

      Noo where,s that wee Lurker that highjacked me, Cmon lets hear from you.

      Great nite as always Guys N Gals,shall we do it again sometime SOON.

    319. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @BDTT – I was so close to saying hello, twice, but you looked very busy, no doubt with badge-related business. And thanks for leaving mine with Handandshrimp, I got it when I came back in. A superb wee souvenir I will always treasure alongside all the other WOS campaign medals.

      @Natasha, JLT, X-sticks, Chipmonkey, Ian B aka Cactus, Seona ‘the Lurker'(?), John & Irene, Cearc, Jim T, Gwen and BettyB, as well as all the usual reprobates – a total pleasure, and I’m just so sorry I had to bolt early. Hope the raffle went okay – it was just getting underway as I left. (And, naturally, I missed the ‘fan dance’…)

      Hoots tae ye’s aw!!

    320. Betty Boop says:

      @ Natasha
      Your rickshaw driver didn’t have a megaphone, did he? ๐Ÿ™‚

      @ A’body else – great meeting up again and good to meet quite a few new faces. Shona, if you are lurking about, pleased you stayed with us – we only do friendly abductions!

      @Paula R, dear, I am hoping that you have completed the appropriate customer service form Chez Ronnie. Was breakfast full service? Hopefully, the fans were professionally laundered.

      @ Bdtt & Petethecamera
      You guys are heroes designing and making our bespoke Wingding badges.

      @Thepnr Another meet in a wee while at the Ferry sounds like a good idea as does a bus from several points in the central belt.


    321. JLT says:

      Betty Boop

      Well, the fan dance was going well until Paula Rose, feathery, pink fans swooshing, became distracted by JLT, who looked as though he was going to join Paula on the table

      What! My drink must have been spiked! I cant remember dancing gracefully around the Counting House. Certainly blethered a lot about the Reformation and the theme of authority (which will now have Kininvie groaning! LOL) …and I only had 3 pints of Heineken …honest!!!!

    322. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian.

      So you are real!


      Hi Alex Thepnr.

      When I was outside the Counting House last night for one of my rare ‘real’ fags, TJenny arrived. I threw down the gauntlet.

      Edinburgh was offered its chance for a get-together after the 22nd November get-together in Glasgow, and dropped the baton. Since then, we’ve had Invergowrie 2 in February and Glasgow on Friday evening.

      I told her that if Edinburgh doesn’t get its act together, there will be Invergowrie 3 in early July. It’s up to Tam and TJenny to sort out Edinburgh.

      Now, the reasons I cite Invergowrie are,
      1. The staff are ‘YES friendly’ (remember the number of Wee Blue Books that were asked for / accepted on 13th September) and
      2. We can have music videos and Cactus and his guitar, if we want and
      3. The CH in the Ferry won’t allow ‘live music’, or videos, and
      4. If Thistle wants to Livestream from Invergowrie, there won’t be a problem.

      A couple of peeps last night said that Invergowrie was ‘out in the sticks’, mentioning the train times back to wherever.
      Invergowrie is nearer to Dundee’s city centre than the Ferry!

      If we give Edinburgh until the end of May to organise something, and they don’t, we could have Invergowrie 3 in the first half of July, which gives travellers plenty time to organise their overnight stay in Dundee, to allow leisurely travelling home on the Sunday.

      If WE can arrange travel to Glasgow from Dundee and Brechin, surely Glasgow and the west coast can arrange a minibus from their locale for a grand night out?

    323. Thepnr says:

      Tough shit JLT as they say in Dundee.

      Also I’m having none of the “only had 3 pints of Heineken” you’ve been found out as a secret admirer of our Paula.

      No point denying it now ๐Ÿ™‚

    324. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Aye, Shona the lurker got a special handwritten badge/souvenir of the night.

      I told her that she’d better get her @ยฎ$e inti gear and post in ‘off-topic’ as an easy option for dippin’ ‘er toe in the wahttir’ that is Wings Over Scotland…

      Whaur ir yi?

    325. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I had 4 bottles of Tsing Tao and Pete was able to get me home to Dunkeld ok…

    326. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Sorry, not Dunkeld, I live in Dundee.

      It was the ospreys that done it.

    327. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Sorry to hog the page but…

      There’s a march and rally in Dundee next Saturday from noon. A march round the city centre, followed by a rally in City Square (until 5pm) with live bands, including the Graham Brown Band, Sheena Wellington, speakers, etc. Rumour is that Dundee’s newly elected SNP MP’s will be there also.

      There will be a Wings stand at this event, under the supervision of Ronnie Anderson. So, if any Wingers are coming to Dundee on the 9th, for the “Dundee Sunshine City Fest”, look out for the Wings banner in the Square.

    328. Betty Boop says:

      @JLT, 11:00pm

      …I cant remember…

      You see, that’s the thing about a Wings do, so much happens that it is like being in a parallel universe – total recall is not possible ๐Ÿ™‚

    329. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Okay, this is a wee bit show-offy, but, god almighty, it’s impressive –

      John Martyn, ‘Seven Black Roses’ (live) –

    330. Paula Rose says:

      Making do with Natasha’s budgie feathers was maybe a mistake – sorry.

    331. Thepnr says:

      Well Ian Brotherhood, that was FUCKIN brilliant.

      You sly old fox, you. SSP full of numpties LOL.

    332. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Paula Rose –

      I missed your performance, so I’m not too sure what went awry, but please be assured – you’ll always have a big fan right here.

      I just hope your table-top mishap didn’t damage either of your lovely Chaz Jankels.

    333. Thepnr says:

      So good I had to watch it twice. Just don’t get it do you Mr McTernan LOL.

    334. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      What’s the betting there’s some simple psychological reason behind McTernan’s behaviour?

      Could it be that, once upon a time, someone called him a crater-faced fud?

      Just a guess, but these wee things are important when assessing why apparently sociopathic individuals assume the right to tinker with the ‘democratic process’.

      If you happen to read this, McT, please do yourself a favour – find another nation to ‘advise’. Wasting your time here – we are not worthy of your exalted, sophisticated input.

    335. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      It’s official! It’s been announced!

      Our Queen, Queen Elizabeth of Scots (Not the 2nd of Englandshire) has announced the name of the new royal baby.

      She, with appropriate recognition of the the role of Scotland in the building of the empire, will be named ‘Princess Senga’.

      So there…

    336. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      Hey no-one around?
      So, my first wings social was something else! You guys all surpassed my expectations, and I now feel slightly corrupted (but in a good way) ๐Ÿ˜‰

    337. Michael McCabe says:

      @ Gillian Ruglonian Welcome to off/topic. Glad you had a great night on Friday. You will probably be hooked now and already looking forward to the next Social Gathering. Anyway here is a wee song which I think is appropriate right now.

    338. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      Hi Michael, yeah I had a ball at my first ‘do’ and can’t wait for the next one!
      Your song is appropriate at any time ๐Ÿ™‚

    339. Michael McCabe says:

      That is the Boxing about to start. So I will leave you with a nice mellow track.

    340. JLT says:


      LOL …I’m not saying another word!

      Right …I did absolutely hee-haw studying yesterday. I need to get stuck into it today. Catch you all later!

    341. Wee Jonny says:

      For the next night oot or the ane eftir that or the ane eftir that, there’s a band called A Right Couple O Charlie’s that would be perfecto for the night.

      They do a great Bonnie Dundee, Flower Of Scotland and even do some of their own stuff.

      My wife’s auntie had a wee get together in The Neptune Bar in Montrose for her 70th and the Charlie’s were just setting up as we arrived.

      Now I’m not a fan of bands (techno for me) but as soon as I saw the Yes stickers on their guitars and their Yes t.shirts I knew we were in for a belter o an afternoon. They were great and a very nice couple o boys too.

      So either we could go to them or we could ask if they could come to us?

      They’re on Facebook – A Right Couple O Charlie’s.

    342. Oneironaut says:

      “…and I now feel slightly corrupted (but in a good way)”

      Yeeeeessssss. Give in to the corruption and come over to the Dark Side… We have cookies! ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Glad you enjoyed the night.
      Was nice meeting you at last ๐Ÿ™‚

      Wishing I could have stuck around for this intriguing Paula Rose fan dance everyone is talking about! ๐Ÿ˜€

      Also hope our new lurker speaks up at some point (assuming we didn’t scare her off!)

    343. Albamac says:

      @ Michael McCabe

      Great song, Michael, and it sparks some memories for me.

      I left home when I was 15 and traveled down through the borders into Northumberland, then across the north of England and into Wales, working for my keep as I went. I don’t know how I’d have fared without the kindness, hospitality and generosity of the people that I met on the way. I joined the Army at seventeen and the next chapter began in Catterick.

      Sorry I couldn’t make it to the CH. The spirit was willing but the flesh was weak. Watched the video and it was great to see everyone having such a good time. Sorry I missed it.

    344. Kelpie says:


      you haven’t scared me off.

      Thanks all for making me feel so welcome on Friday night, I can recommend abduction by nasty cybernats to anyone as they are lovely folks indeed. Next time I’m nearby I’ll be much less shy about coming over to say hello.


      thanks for the badge, it has pride of place next to my Yes badge.

    345. CameronB Brodie says:

      A wee twist on the surf theme. Awesome video.

      Red Hot Chilli Peppers – Torture Me (steady Paula)

    346. Quentin Quale says:

      @Ian Brotherhood Sorry I didn’t manage to have a chat on Friday. Loved the John Martyn link. Here’s a brilliant guitarist using different tunings (Slack Key). Sort of goes with a day of rain!

    347. Paula Rose says:

      Kelpie honey – welcome to cybernat central xx

    348. Macart says:

      Just got back a few hours ago folks and have to say thoroughly enjoyed Friday night at the CH. Met so many great people and put faces to names.

      Privilege to meet you one and all.

      As for the fan dance (blush)…

      … Mrs Macart is super jealous of Paula Rose. ๐Ÿ™‚

    349. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Kelpie (Shona?)

      Always good to meet an incomer to the cause! Get posting on the main pages now, yi hear?

      HandandShrimp could have had a badge as well. All you had to do was make your name known and you could have had a handwritten one! Like I typed on the 29th,

      “Weโ€™ll have some blanks with us on Friday for peeps who havenโ€™t asked and turn up on the night.”

      Shona fitted that profile perfectly!

      As I typed above,

      “When I was outside the Counting House last night for one of my rare โ€˜realโ€™ fags, TJenny arrived. I threw down the gauntlet.”

      Is Edinburgh gonna get their act inti gear?

      I like Wee Jonny’s mention of “A Right Couple O Charlieโ€™s”,

      “Now Iโ€™m not a fan of bands (techno for me) but as soon as I saw the Yes stickers on their guitars and their Yes t.shirts I knew we were in for a belter o an afternoon. They were great and a very nice couple o boys too.”

      Maybe we could crowdfund having them at the next Invergowrie get-together (Jolly’s wouldn’t allow music).

      Lastly, I’ll repeat the info re next Saturday in Dundee…

      Thereโ€™s a march and rally in Dundee next Saturday from noon. A march round the city centre, followed by a rally in City Square (until 5pm) with live bands, including the Graham Brown Band, Sheena Wellington, speakers, etc. Rumour is that Dundeeโ€™s newly elected SNP MPโ€™s will be there also.

      There will be a Wings stand at this event, under the supervision of Ronnie Anderson. So, if any Wingers are coming to Dundee on the 9th, for the โ€œDundee Sunshine City Festโ€, look out for the Wings banner in the Square.

    350. chipmonkey says:

      Had a great night out on Friday! Thanks all you scary people.
      Very glad QQ and I came after all.

      @Paula Rose Thanks for giving us a big push in the right direction. Good job we are ‘besties’ – others might have been concerned to have their husband turn up quite late for tea with the famous Paula Rose in the back of his car and then mumble all night about the fan dance!

      @Oneironaut – @Cactus photobombed our selfie – it’s not a good photo from my phone but I might post it later.

      @Briandoonthetoon – I really suit your hat -again I might eventually post proof. @Cactus also thought it was tasty.

      @Kelpie – nice to see you online, glad Brian came up with the badge ๐Ÿ™‚

      @Everybody else – nice to meet you all, again for for the first time.

    351. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Here’s the graphic for next Saturday’s shindig in Dundee.

      Aye, Chipmonkey, you do suit my hat…

      Yir no’ gittin’ it…

      Jiss a shottie, noo an’ then.

    352. chipmonkey says:

      A May Morning – good one. Pete Wishart posted it – enjoyed and indeed seems right for now so sharing.

    353. Thepnr says:

      I want you to hear a song first linked to on here by IB almost a year ago.

      True, it’s a wee bit sentimental and won’t be to everyones taste. It is though still relevant now, just put you feet up, close your eyes and enjoy.

    354. Thepnr says:

      By way of contrast here is the first link to a music video ever played in Off Topic.

      Well done Jon D ๐Ÿ™‚

    355. Paula Rose says:

      We certainly have not given up and onward we march and …

    356. Betty Boop says:

      @ Kelpie

      Welcome to Off Topic and Wings in general. Pleased to meet you on Friday.

      We only kidnap nice folks and always send in big Ronnie. He’s our best diplomat, like an ambassador; granted, a unique type of ambassador ๐Ÿ™‚

      Notice you’ve ditched the lurker moniker. Kelpie is good; is it a clue?


    357. Betty Boop says:

      @ Paula Rose
      Notice you pouring oil on troubled waters over on the main thread today. Honestly, sometimes a soothing stroke is all that is required ๐Ÿ™‚

      @ Chipmonkey, Apologies, didn’t get much of a chat on Friday although QQ and I chewed the fat for a wee while.

      @ Thepnr, 11:21pm
      That video is properly weird and just a wee bit creepy. I didn’t dare go to the website to find out some weird facts about Michael Rodd!!! Probably the stuff of nightmares O-(

    358. Paula Rose says:

      Every time I go to a wings thingie I get this tinglie thingie…

    359. Paula Rose says:

      @ Betty Boop

      I wish I could be everywhere stroking everyone.

    360. Paula Rose says:

      Fun dilly mun dilly…

    361. CameronB Brodie says:

      Fundilymundily, rejection has always been a weak position to sell from. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      The Monotones – What would I do?

    362. CameronB Brodie says:

      Second go. ๐Ÿ™‚

    363. CameronB Brodie says:

      Michael McCabe
      Was that a hint Michael? ๐Ÿ™‚

    364. X_Sticks says:

      Just remembered that (I think it was) Hoss that proposed that Robert Peffers should get any honorary gold Wings badge.

      I’d support that, but I also think that Nana Smith, Call me Dave and Lollysmum should also get them for their wonderful contributions to Wings.

      Would Stu be up for 4 honourary badges?

    365. Kelpie says:

      Betty Boop

      I like swimming.

      I think some of the local pensioners might also complain that I threaten to drag innocents to their death in my haste to get a few lengths in before heading off to work!

    366. Oneironaut says:

      Yay! Welcome to the infamous Cybernat Central! ๐Ÿ˜€

      The bar is on your left, the Cybernat Mind Control Lab is on your right, and refreshments are just over there.

      Don’t go through the big doors marked “Cybernat High Command”. The Rev gets a bit cranky when someone disturbs him while he’s plotting (also the white cat keeps escaping!) ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Love your avatar by the way ๐Ÿ™‚

    367. CameronB Brodie says:

      Now these are kittens. ๐Ÿ™‚

      F1 vs F5 (Savannah cats play fighting)

      Savannah cats are a cross between a domestic cat and the Serval, which I understand have been, or are being banned by various nations, due to the threat a feral population of these would pose to indigenous ecosystems. The F1 is the first generation from wild and grow to about the size of small Collies. ๐Ÿ™‚

      This is perhaps tangential evidence that Laissez-faire socioeconomic practice is not compatible with the holistic balance of all things. Man. Or woman Reg. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    368. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      And now it’s time for a game of “Spot The Bob Sinclair”!

      (Video of Murphillydillydally arriving for ‘fundemallyrally’ this morning.)

    369. Quinie frae Angus says:

      Glad you all had a good night on Friday. Sorry I couldn’t make it this time.

    370. Oneironaut says:

      Inspiring picture over on the “Waiting for Nicola” article there.

      The music player was running this in the background too. Quite a nice effect… ๐Ÿ™‚
      Making it my music link for the day.

    371. X_Sticks says:


      Ye were well missed Quinie ๐Ÿ˜‰

    372. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Come on a’body, cheer up. Just a few more days, and we’re looking at a near-enough clean slate.

      (If this disny make ye smile, get sumdy tae call the co-op, cause ye’re deid.)

      Seasick Steve, ‘Down On The Farm’ –

    373. ronnie anderson says:

      @ Shona see we telt ye its no say hard to find your voice on WOS,whit we never telt you is Its addictive.

      A Big Wingers Welcome SHONA.

    374. Thepnr says:

      @Brian Doonthetoon

      Yes, I also spotted Oor Boab on a different video. Well done Bob my friend. One of the Wings heroes.

      This is for you buddy ๐Ÿ™‚

    375. X-Sticks says:

      See that Ronnie Anderson wi’ the ladies!

      A big Wingers welcome to the murky world of O/T from me too though to Shona and Kelpie ๐Ÿ˜€

    376. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I feel really privileged.

      I checked out my emails when I got home from work tonight. And, guess what?
      I have received an email from Jimmilly Fundimurphilly.

      From: Jim Murphy

      And it contained GOOD NEWS!
      It would appear that the Labour Party has caved in and now is promising home rule if we vote Labour!
      The graphic below (from the email) lays out Labour’s promises and, right at the top left, is HOME RULE!
      Ya beauty! “We’re on the way…”

    377. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Ronnie Anderson –

      In your avatar I’m sure there’s a set of toes at the end of the shed, peeking out. You sure Paula Rose isn’t still in there? Best knock first, mind…

    378. X_Sticks says:


      I’ve heard from various sources that Paula is often peeking out ๐Ÿ˜‰

    379. Thepnr says:

      I’m going to come across as a raving loony here but so be it.


      The best and only opportunity you have had in my lifetime to really make a difference. If you don’t knock into your your Labour voters heads friend why they should vote SNP this time. Than you are doing not just yourself a disservice but your community and your country.

      I truly can’t be arsed with the sectarian shite either, just another divisive to be used against us. I can’t be arsed with any Nationalist shite either, just another way to divide us.

      The politics I envisage for Scotland is better than that. A politics of the people. I will not put a name to that, the Scottish people will.

      The establishment is screwed now here in Scotland, you know why? In my view we only want the best for all our people. Westminster in the disguise of Tory or Labour will continue to screw our people.

      Fuck them, two days to the election. Tell everyone you know. Fuck them that have screwed us for years.

    380. Macart says:


      Nope, you come across just fine Alex. If you’re anything like me, you’re just tired of the politics of self. Sick to death of the adversarial nature of our politics which generates the party before people culture of our parliaments. Weary of a caste and patronage system which sees no problem with corporate and media compromise.

      What has it given the electorate? What has it done for the electorate in the past fifty years especially? Corruption, wars, financial crashes, scandals, mis managed deindustrialisation and a system which uses the power we grant it to line the pockets of the few at a terrible cost to the many. Its given successive governments the green light to direct and manipulate the perceptions of their electorate for plain, old fashioned greed, their own agendas.

      The arrival on the scene of the SNP, SSP and Greens during the referendum has given people a chance and it gave them a voice with which to speak. During that two year period the voice spoke to the establishment quietly, with this general election we can raise that voice to a shout.

      With the right result this week, I think they’ll hear us loud and clear. ๐Ÿ™‚

    381. Jim Thomson says:

      Bloody ear-worms. I have to share to get rid of them …

      The late and great Mr Cocker.

    382. Quentin Quale says:

      Right, that’s it, I’m voting for Dave. The things he has to put up with. Now the Herald is reporting that a man with a Scottish accent heckled Cameron when he was addressing supporters ‘at a garden centre in Twickenham’. The chap had the temerity to shout ‘Come on the SNP’. Disgraceful. Nicola must condemn this behaviour immediately.

    383. chipmonkey says:

      Shouting promises in England, I’ll give you shouty promises.


    384. Taranaich says:

      Two more sleeps, and I think I narrowed down just why I find the stramash about the “chaos” in Glasgow so repulsive:

      Jim Murphy and Eddie Izzard were “threatened” by four choobs with a megaphone. We had an actual Combat 18 thug protesting, and a wee girl with a saltire wasn’t afraid of him.

      It’s the height of insulting for Murphy to dare call what happened yesterday “the ugly face of nationalism” when you had people who represented a group which is considered by many to be an actual terrorist organisation in Greenock.

    385. Paula Rose says:

      Taranaich honey – another gem xx

    386. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      Hello Taranaich, another solid article, well done! As I’ve said before, your style is great – very precise and accessible.

      Best of luck for the final stretch ๐Ÿ™‚

    387. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Taranaich –


      Soo-perb stuff.

      Hope you can remember to take a selfie ASAP after your man Ronnie wins – loads of us will be watching carefully, but not much chance we’ll get to pinpoint you – would be priceless to see your expression after all the work you’ve done.

      More power to ye mister! You deserve to win, and I’ve no doubt you will.


    388. Chic McGregor says:

      Sent the following to the rev a wee while ago.

      Oil price is recovering, nudging towards $70, but is still at a low level for recent years. So some folk may well be wondering why the British establishment still seem so desperate to hang on to a Scotland in possession of only one oily banana.

      In the past I have tried to point out that the UK has many more reasons than oil for holding on to Scotland. I have, for instance, attempted to show the importance of the Food and Drink sector in the equation.

      However trying to do so using nominal monetary value which is confused by a plethora of โ€˜adjustmentsโ€™ – tax breaks, subsidy levels, tariffs, voucher systems, GVA calculations with confusing, inconsistent and somewhat arbitrary assumptions of when a subsidy is a subsidy or not? has made for a less than satisfactory result.

      Whether deliberate or coincidental, the result of all that mind-boggling confusion, obscures the underlying message.

      Also, when numbers go above about a billion, folkโ€™s minds, including mine, tend to start wondering where a squirrel is when you need one.

      But a few days ago, I hit on the idea of concentrating on raw produce levels instead of nominal monetary value and also, and I think crucially, drastically reducing the number sizes by calculating the amount produced for each and every man woman and child in Scotland per day.

      And to do so in terms of measurements which are readily understood in the everyday real world.

      In that way, potentially distorting accountancy measures are avoided, and daily volumes are more readily recognisable and familiar.

      So in the following you will often see an abbreviation I have coined โ€˜p4dโ€™ which is shorthand for Production Per Person Per Day.

      I have also calculated comparative figures for England or rUK.

      I have been data crunching this for about three days and have only got through three sectors, albeit main ones.

      It would be better with piccies, a photo of two plates say with the food amounts shown for Scotland and England, rather than verbal examples, but no time for that just now.

      Anyway, have a swatch if you can spare the time.


      Not exhaustive, just the key staples.

      Fish Production

      Conventional fishing

      Landed at Scottish ports i.e. less than the total actually caught in Scottish waters. Scotland lands about 2/3 of the UKโ€™s fisheries production.

      About 190 g production per person per day (p4d). Taking haddock as an illustrative example that would be about two and half of Tescoโ€™s Prime Haddock Fillets (86% fish) p4d in Scotland (of course, in reality, it is a much more diverse catch than just haddock)
      England landed fish figure equates to only about 6 or 7 g p4d or less than a quarter of an ounce, not even a proper mouthful .


      The main product of Scotlandโ€™s rapidly expanding aquaculture industry.
      Scotland 85 g p4d. According to M&S that is just about two servings of their smoked Lochmuir salmon side.
      England, of course, virtually nothing.

      It is worth a mention, that although smaller in weight volume, salmon is now worth more in monetary terms than the conventional fisheries catch.

      Meat Production

      Beef (nearly 30% of UK herd)

      Scotland 93 g p4d Enough for a Birdseye original 1/4 pounder burger (77% beef) for every man, woman, child in Scotland every day
      England p4d only a quarter of said burger.

      Lamb (nearly a quarter of UK herd)

      Scotland 28.5 g p4d Just over an ounce. Might not seem a lot but that is several times more than Scots actually consume, we are not big lamb eaters.
      England only around 7g p4d Also, the English eat three times more lamb per head than Scots

      Pig meat (10% of UK herd)*

      Scotland 30 g of pig meat p4d Equivalent to two Tesco streaky bacon rashers.
      England a little less. However the UK, including Scotland, remains a big net pig meat importer.

      Poultry(just under 8% of UK stock)*

      Scotland chicken 61 g p4d About two and a quarter ounces or around 3 Tesco roast chicken slices.
      Scotland Eggs, just under half an egg p4d
      England a little more

      *Pigs and poultry
      Pigs and poultry are in a slightly different category from sheep and cattle because the distribution of nominal production is not tied to land use per se, unlike for grazing animals.

      Cereals Production
      Scottish cereal production is, overall, about 12% of the UK total, therefore, per head, nearly one and a half times the UK average. However, cereal does not generally find its way to the table directly. Therefore we must be careful not to be guilty of double accounting.


      Scotland just over 1Kg p4d. The equivalent of 4 X 250 gm (9 oz.) bags of barley from Tesco.
      England 0.2 Kg p4d. A fifth of Scottish p4d levels.

      However, 34% of Scottish barley goes to maltings (whisky) and 54% to animal feed. Still, the remaining 12% could form the basis of a pretty big pot of soup.


      Scotland just over half a Kg p4d
      Only around 2/3 of rUK p4d but well more than offset by the barley production.


      Scotland About 80 g p4d Over one and a half servings if all were used for porridge but some, again, is used for animal feed.
      RUK around 25 g p4d. About half a porridge serving equivalent.

      Oilseed Rape

      Not strictly a cereal. It is used increasingly as a vegetable oil, animal feed and biofuel
      This crop also increases other grain yields through rotation with them.

      Scotland 76.5 g p4d
      rUK 85 g p4d. Slightly more.

      Potato Production

      Scotland 590 g (1.3 pounds) p4d Equivalent of two reasonably large portions of chips.
      rUK 240 g, (about 8oz) p4d

      Note Scotland produces most of the UK’s seed potatoes.

      Milk Production

      Scotland 1.214 pints of milk p4d
      England 0.79 of a pint p4d.

      Milk is obviously used to also produce butter and cheese and other table bound items as well.

      Whisky Production

      Scotland about 70% of a bottle p4d.
      rUK, not a lot.

      Because this uses 34% of Scotlandโ€™s barley crop and the land used to grow it (around 100,000 hectares) it is effectively, despite its nutritional dubiety, an agricultural product. But, it would be beyond silly not to point out there is a unique value added for this product that sets it apart from other agri-products.
      Scotland’s distilling industry also makes significant and increasing volumes of other spirits. I believe even the majority of that quintessentially English product, gin, is now made in Scotland, though I have not seen the detailed figures.

      What does the Food and Drink Sector mean in money terms and for independence?

      The UK annual food and drink consumption in money terms, the annual grocery bill if you like, comes to a little over 50 billion pounds.

      Currently the UK exports about 19 billion pounds worth but imports about 40 billion pounds worth.

      A current trade deficit on food and drink of 21 billion pounds.

      What does that amount mean (apart from the UK needing to import about 40% of its food and drink)?

      Well, to put it in context, it dwarfs oil revenue, even in good oil price years. It is a huge amount.

      Looking at it again on a per person basis might be more meaningful. It amounts to nearly 400 quid a year for every person in the UK, or about 1500 pounds per family per year.
      It represents an in built deficit which has to be paid before anything else can be paid for.

      And of course with ‘pooling and sharing’ Scots also have to share that bill in whatever ways it manifests itself.

      But what if Scotland were on its own?

      Scotland has a food and drink annual turnover of around 13 billion pounds.

      Scotland exports about 5.4 billion pounds of food and drink overseas, almost a third of UK food and drink exports, plus about another 2 billion to the rUK.

      Scotland’s consumption of food and drink is something south of 5 billion.

      The massive UK food and drink deficit is not of Scotland’s making.

      What would independence mean re food and drink for the rUK?

      5.4 billion would disappear from the positive side of the UK balance sheet and the 2 billion Scottish exports to rUK would appear on its negative side, Scotland then being outside the UK.

      Plus there would be 8.3% less people to share that bigger bill.

      A big reason to hang on to Scotland.


      You could easily be forgiven, if you only listened to the MSM, that Scotland was in danger of running out of electricity and will be needing to rely on the rUK some time soon.

      What is the reality?

      In 2013, latest complete DUKEs analysis, Scotland produced 53 TWh (net 49.6 )

      A terrawatt hour is the amount of energy you would use if you ran 1000000000000 amps through a 1 ohm resistor for an hour.

      Err right.

      But fear not, like for food production, I am converting this into a smaller and hopefully, more understandable figure in terms of p4d and expressing it in kWh (the familiar ‘unit’ on your leccy bill).

      Scotland 26 kWh (‘units’) p4d
      England 13.4 kWh (‘units’) p4d

      Scotland consumed 32 TWh which gave it a production/consumption ratio of 1.55
      England generated 259 TWh but consumed 295 TWh, production/consumption ratio is 0.88

      Unfortunately, because of England’s much larger population, this means that once again the UK as a whole is running with another deficit. Around 15TWh imported from Europe. Assuming 10 p per unit, that amounts to about 1.5 billion pounds per year.

      Scotland on the other hand ‘exports’ about 15 TWh to the rUK, nominally 1.5 billion pounds worth per year if 10p per unit is taken. Again, on an annual basis this should represent a gain for the Scottish economy of around 300 pounds per person per year, 1200 pound per family.

      Of course, in the event that Scotland became independent this would also nominally double the rUK deficit from 1.5 billion to 3 billion.

      Another reason for hanging on to Scotland.


      In terms of production to consumption ratio, the UK, overall, is in an even bigger trade deficit situation than for food and drink. The UK uses nearly 5 times the wood it produces.

      This amounts to a wood trade deficit of over ยฃ5 billion annually.

      How does that break down when comparing production levels between Scotland and England?

      There is a bewildering array of metrics used in the timber production industry.
      Greene tonnes, sawn tonnes, overbark cubic metres/tonnes, under bark, cubic metres/tonnes, recovered tonnes/cubic metres.
      Unlike other land use crops, it is not a case of an annual harvest where the harvest yield = the annual production.
      Trees actually recovered can and do vary as matter of planning considerations.

      I therefore took the view that the best guide to true production levels was the estimated standing annual growth figure i.e. irrespective of whether it was actually harvested that year, and that people would be slightly more sure of what a volume meant rather than a weight.

      In volumetric terms – millions of cubic metres (overbark, standing)
      Annual timber production in Scotland is about 10 million cubic metres per year.
      For England, it is about 5 million cubic metres per year.

      Since people, I think, would be less familiar with what a fraction of a cubic metre meant.

      So to make everyday sense of these figures, I converted into litres of wood production per person per day. Unconventional, I know, but a litre is a volume most folk are pretty familiar with. (and yes it is a fraction of a cubic metre, I know)

      For Scotland, that works out at 5.2 litres of wood p4d.
      For England it works out to 0.26 litres of wood p4d

      A plank v a ruler in pictorial terms.

      Consumption of wood in the UK is around 3 litres of wood per person per day perhaps a little more.

      The deficit is again entirely down to England, indeed Scotland has a trade surplus on wood.

      ‘Export’ to rUK from Scotland is reckoned to be nearly 2 billion pounds a year.

      Another potential trade deficit increase for the rUK if Scotland became independent.

      Another reason to hang on to Scotland.

      And we still haven’t got to oil or engineering, electronics, software, quarrying, life sciences, financial services, tourism, woolens and textiles, university technology spin out partnerships, publishing or design.

    389. Paula Rose says:

      I want a “selfie” with Taranaich’s mum – that Nicola is hogging the limelight.

    390. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Here’s one for Auld Preacher Broon, before he bows-out once and for good –

      Bob Dylan, ‘Gotta Serve Somebody’ –

    391. Natasha says:

      Lovely article; great pictures too! I’ll be thinking of you on Thursday.

    392. Paula Rose says:

      Just back from Bath – any chance anyone knows what happened to one of the eggs I was using for the Rev’s omelette? Got a bit distracted by one of the rats.

    393. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      Paula, naughty girl!
      Are you insinuating, or denying involvement? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    394. Paula Rose says:

      Much as I love little furry things – it was a bit unexpected.

    395. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      Paula – Ah little furry things! I was expecting to see you on Friday, surrounded by them! Sorry I missed you, but it’s a date for the next meet x

    396. Paula Rose says:

      Sorry I missed you, caught the last ten minutes xxx

    397. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      I went to the CH from work, but next time I’ll glam up and we can paint the town red together!

    398. AuldA says:

      So, itโ€™s about time to hone your spears, isnโ€™t it?
      We are all supporting you!

      The English call Nicola a battle-axe? Wellโ€ฆ she might use it pretty soon! ๐Ÿ™‚

    399. X_Sticks says:


      NO! No! Not red dear, yellow and black please.

      Red is so last century now ๐Ÿ˜€

    400. Oneironaut says:

      Good article there ๐Ÿ™‚

      If we ever get around to getting rid of the biased has-been mainstream media in this country, then I hope it’s people like you who’ll replace them. You got a talent there! ๐Ÿ˜€

      That picture of the two C18 thugs getting shown up by a little girl with a flag is definitely my favourite picture from the whole campaign now, hehe.

      If someone in the distant future ever asks what this whole thing was about, I’m gonna show them that picture. Says it all for me.

    401. Chic McGregor says:

      Found a great lake in NZ last month. Its only a wee one but its perfectly formed.

    402. Oneironaut says:

      “So, itโ€™s about time to hone your spears, isnโ€™t it?
      We are all supporting you!”

      Funny, I found this earlier. Thought it seemed oddly appropriate ๐Ÿ™‚

    403. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      Totally agree with you about the flags photo. Have you seen the photoshopped version that looks like a banksy? It’s incredible (sorry I don’t have a link).

      I love the comic strip!
      Disney’s sword in the stone film was one of my favourites when I was wee, I still like the song about karma that Merlin sings, it’s always appropriate ๐Ÿ˜‰

      someone needs to wrestle the colour red (& anything else left of value) from the labour party’s cold dead hands, I’m up for the job, fancy joining me!!

    404. Alex Waugh says:

      Sent to me on Facebook.
      Anagrams of ‘Conservative manifesto’..

      More of Satan’s invective
      I often scam naรฏve voters
      No facts, no merit, evasive
      Some overactive infants

      Plenty more, but you get the point.

      You’ve gotta laugh, haven’t you ๐Ÿ™‚

    405. Alex Waugh says:

      Jeez Chic, your head must be birlin’ Thanks for all the hard work. If I may I’ll quote it next time some idiot tells me that Scotland can’t go it alone.

    406. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Chic McGregor.

      Your data crunching is a grand piece of work!

      Gillian_Ruglonian – re ‘flags photo’ and Banksy.

      See here :-

    407. Chic McGregor says:


      Five mates conversation?

    408. Chic McGregor says:

      Thanks guys, believe it or not, that is a synopsis of the data and calculations or it would have been about 3 times longer.

      I’ll post the main links used later but have the last of the election letters to go out just now.

    409. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      Aye, that’s the one!

      Over on the ‘proper pages’ I read this comment:

      โ€œgalamcennalath says:
      6 May, 2015 at 11:07 am
      Remember the infamous Feeble Fifty of the 80s? Labourโ€™s chocolate fire guard in Scotland against Thatcher?

      While not wishing to pre-count chickens etc etc โ€ฆ. Iโ€™m wondering what a good nickname for the Fifty (we hope) who will be Scotlandโ€™s representatives this time?”

      Now there are two aspects to this, our name for the group and the name they’re given (probably by the likes of Boris),
      I like “the fierce thirty!” (I’ll happily take a majority number of seats, but the name will work for forty or fifty too).

      So folks, any suggestions?

    410. Michael McCabe says:

      The Fighting Fifty.

    411. X_Sticks says:

      Ok Gillian, red it is.

      Where do we start?

      ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ™‚

    412. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      Let’s see what tomorrow brings, and we can formulate a plan from there – nod nod, wink wink, say no more!

      Incidentally, what’s everyone’s plans for after the polling stations close? Any parties?

    413. Paula Rose says:

      We will include every colour! Now – where’s the parties?

    414. Ian Brotherhood says:

      So long cool dude…

      Hot Chocolate, ‘Every 1’s A Winner’ –

    415. Oneironaut says:

      Hmm, what song was that? Haven’t seen that one in years ๐Ÿ™‚

      Last I heard of Disney, they’d acquired the Star Wars name. Waiting for animated adventures involving characters singing musical numbers during lightsabre duels, and Jedi with amusing animal sidekicks, hehe.

      Thinking of printing off that photograph and hanging it on the wall here. If I ever meet that girl, maybe I’ll get her to autograph it for me ๐Ÿ™‚

      I’ve got ambitions… Sorry, more like “delusions”, of being a photographer myself, but I’ve never gotten anything as good as that. Most of photography is being lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time and being able to realise when you’re in that right place at the right time.
      Dunno if I can pull that off, since I’ve always been a bit slow. But hopefully…

      I think the SSP are already reclaiming red from Labour.
      Yellow and black is nice too, though it makes me think of bees. Probably makes Labour think of bees too, considering how badly they’re getting stung every time they stick their heads out of hiding these days! ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Not sure what plans I’ll have after the polling stations close. They will probably involve lots of sleeping! ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Anyways, for now I’m off to try and hack the MurphyBot 900 and reprogram it to make it sing “I Know A Song That’ll Get On Your Nerves” over and over again! ๐Ÿ˜€

    416. X_Sticks says:

      @ Paula

      “Now โ€“ whereโ€™s the parties?”

      Think I’ll try and get to this for a starter:

      Any other takers?

    417. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Hot Chocolate, ‘It Started With A Kiss’ –

    418. Jock Scot says:

      Just been doing some catch up reading and the smile on my face is something to thank everyone for. From Thepnr’s statement of fact..I’m ready for a better future and re sectarianism..I moved 40 miles to get away from it(became a Partick Thistle fan at about 9 yrs old to make life easier). Paula you are a tease and Gillian, pls do let her lead you astray, just mind and take some photos( maybe a job for you x-sticks)..Paula Rose’s elusiveness is denying the country the ability to eradicate the bitter photo memories of Fran and Anna. Taranaich and Chic..your contributions are wonderful as always and Quinie..see you at future events. One sleep until something wonderful starts to happen, may be tough at first but the rewards for future generations could be awesome. Proud to be a Winger. x. Vote SNP

    419. Thepnr says:

      @Jock Scot

      This one for all Wingers, will be played relentlessly from now until Friday 05:00 hrs!

      This recipe written especially for Wingers is just the ticket for gathering around the telly tomorrow ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

    420. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Dusty Springfield, in shiny high-heeled boots, walking all over a butcher’s apron?

      I think I might know someone who’ll quite like this.

      Pet Shop Boys & Dusty Springfield, ‘What Have I Done To Deserve This?’ –

    421. Cactus says:

      @Gillian ~

      Howdy yeah, I’m planning on heading into the city tomorrow evening.. gonna head down to Freedom Square and see who else is there for the festivities..

      May even go for an impromptu drink at the Counting House.

      p.s. Have any of you fellow Glaswegians seen the person camped out in a tent, on the south side of Freedom Square for the past couple of weeks?

      Think I’ll bring a radio with me..
      Any good radio stations for through-the-night coverage?

    422. Oneironaut says:

      I love that! Nice one! ๐Ÿ˜€

      *settles down with some popcorn to enjoy the show…*

    423. Ian Brotherhood says:

      ‘I’ve been searching for something taken out of my soul. It’s something I’d never lose – something somebody stole.’

      Billy Joel, ‘River Of Dreams’

    424. Thepnr says:

      Right, I’m on a roll. Here’s what Nicola the SNP AND we the Scottish voter have in store for the arsehole establishment after the votes are cast. No wonder they are shitting themselves.

      Spitting Image.

    425. Chic McGregor says:

      As promised earlier, the main links I used to compile the above analysis. Also visited Tesco, Sainsbury and M&S sites for product example amounts.


    426. David says:

      Ah, the Swedish Chef – just the sort of skilled professional that we want to attract to Scotland!

    427. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Thepnr –

      Cheers for that. First time I’ve seen it.

      The list of credits at the end is astonishing – there’s no way anyone in contemporary ‘British’ broadcasting could get together a team like that to produce anything satirical.

      Great stuff.

    428. Paula Rose says:

      We need some new statues…

      Hello Ian everybodyhood xxx

    429. Thepnr says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      Yes Ian, the list of credits with quite a few big names there. 30 year ago you could watch that in the comfort of your living room.

      Shows how far we’ve fallen, or should I say the media has fallen.

    430. Oneironaut says:

      @Ian Brotherhood
      Hey there. Haven’t seen you around since the CH (and even then you kept disappearing).
      Hope you’re not getting buried under that mountain of uni work! ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Yep, I don’t think anyone in any ‘british’ field of anything could work together at all, since their way of life involves stabbing each other in the back and using the pile of bodies as stepping stones to climb to the top.

      The sooner we get rid of that way of thinking, the better for all…

      …Not that I work together with people much either, but that’s just me being an antisocial git, which is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, ok?! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    431. Thepnr says:

      Just spotted another two “names” Grant & Naylor of Red Dwarf fame.

      The words of the song, sung by Sting were the point. How come we produced programes like this in the 80’s but now no TV station would touch it with your barge pole?

      I really didn’t need to ask that question, did I?

    432. Paula Rose says:

      What have we done to deserve this?

      We are rewriting the rule book, we are spreading hope, love and a future worth living


      Because we love seeing our bairns happy and full of optimism.

    433. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Therpnr.

      Perfect! Says it all.

      BTW: Remember this Saturday in Dundee:-

      The Wingers will be there, including Ronnie and Jock Scot. See you there!

      BTW2: Saturday will see the last outing of the YES Bus as the YES Bus. This is Team Yes Bus’s song…

      And to finish off, the band who should be headlining on Saturday, with “I can hear the nation tonight”, recorded at the YES City Gathering, on St Andrew’s Day, 2014.

      Walk the road, and hear the battle cry.
      Feel the pride, when you hear the distant pipes.
      Loud and clear, a thousand voices cry,
      I can hear the nation tonight.

    434. Paula Rose says:

      I hereby promise not to even attempt to be the first name on the new O/T page and have no intention of even trying.

    435. Paula Rose says:

      Post card from the USA…

    436. cearc says:


      Grand piece of work, do post the whole piece somewhere.

      Newsshaft are doing a 9hr. election night special @

      It’s just audio so those that want to watch the faces from Pacific Quay will have something fit to listen to.

    437. Thepnr says:

      @Brian Doonthetoon

      That link about Saturday requires a download, not many, including me will do that. Must be a better link.

      Cheers anyway, I intend to be there on Saturday.

    438. Paula Rose says:

      Democracy and the USA

      Bit angry tonight cherubs xxx

    439. Oneironaut says:

      @Paula Rose
      I don’t think I’ve ever managed to be the first name on a new page yet.

      Is there a prize for it? Do I win a T-shirt or something? ๐Ÿ˜€

      Got no idea what number it starts at, so might just post randomly whenever my medication kicks in!

    440. Gillian_Ruglonian says:

      Oneironaut – I love your posts! Star wars musical sidekicks / snp-bee metaphorical jokes / robot mischief, you really set the bar high! (My tablet kept wanting to call you inordinate, but I’ve finally trained it).

      Jock – I’m gonnae have to keep an eye on you!

      Cactus – I’ve noticed that tent too, can’t tell you anything about it’s occupier though. Do you think we may have a Brian Haw (parliament sq resident) in training?

      My diary’s full for the next few evenings, but I’m free on Sunday for post-match analysis (Murphy metaphor #1) if anyone else is up for it!

      Oh, liking the YouTube links guys, especially the anticipation of an untitled one, mmm ๐Ÿ˜‰

    441. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      The election results from Alberta, Canada. Could this annihilation of the Progressive-Conservatives (PC), in favour of the New Democratic Party (NDP), portend what is gonna happen in Scotland and the UK in 24 hours time?

      “Alberta is traditionally Canada’s most conservative province, but anger at the long-governing Progressive Conservative Party seems to have spurred an orange wave that has swept over most parts of the province.”

    442. X_Sticks says:


      I do hope it wasn’t me calling you a silly girl on the twittery thingy that’s upset you.

    443. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Thepnr.

      It’s only a Jpeg. I Tinyurl’d the original link coz this is how Google provides it…

      I tinyurl’d it because the alternative was highlighting and deleting all the extraneous bumfluff and it was actually quicker to go to Tinyurl. After much highlighting and deleting, here’s the alternative, with all the $h!โ€  taken out.

    444. Thepnr says:

      Cheer up Paula! I hear you have a date tomorrow ๐Ÿ™‚

    445. Paula Rose says:

      @ oneironaut

      My darling dreamboat – every time you comment here

      we are refreshed

      by your presence dear

      Just keep it clean

    446. Nana Smith says:

      An oldie for all wingers and everyone voting SNP tomorrow.

    447. Paula Rose says:

      X_Sticks honey – you’re on the front page of the Sun!!! Link someone?

    448. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Nana.

      Your link reminded me of this:-

    449. Oneironaut says:

      Glad you like them ๐Ÿ™‚

      Had to look up the meaning of “inordinate”, but it sounds an accurate enough description.

      I think I have Sunday free as well if there’s something on then, but I’m limited in how far I can travel.

      If anyone happens to be in Stevenston or the surrounding area, feel free to suggest a meet up or something ๐Ÿ˜€

    450. Paula Rose says:

      The one and only Thepnr has beaten the rest of you to the prize – weep darlings.

      (ronnie anderson is still the best)

    451. Betty Boop says:

      @Thepnr, 9:50pm

      Re Spitting Image. Thanks for posting that, Alex. That is the clip I remember most from the series. Never forgot it – it made a huge impression on me at the time.

      As I recall, it was at a time when we were all concerned over Iran and the ayatollahs. Considering everything since, they were pussycats and we were likely looking in the wrong direction.

    452. Oneironaut says:

      @Paula Rose
      Awww, stop it, you’re making me blush! ๐Ÿ˜€

      I’ll try and keep it clean, but I can never tell what sort of weird stuff will drift up from the deepest depths of my deranged psyche ๐Ÿ˜‰

    453. Michael McCabe says:

      Some Music to go with the great choice of Poetry from Paula Rose 11:16pm

    454. David says:

      How bad are things for Scottish Labour?
      Let’s just say that they’re playing Leonard Cohen songs to cheer them up…

    455. Betty Boop says:

      Well, folks, I am about to head off for some sleep. Up longer than intended because I’m on the early shift at the polling station today (!!!).

      Hope we all have a really good day.

    456. Paula Rose says:

      I’m away up the glens early doors to do some hammering – peace, love and beautiful thoughts be with you all – until 24 hours time xxx

    457. Paula Rose says:

      @ Michael McCabe xxx

    458. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      This is a post I’ve stuck on various Facebook pages tonight.

      It would appear, from comments on TV in the past few weeks, that the ‘English’ have a problem with MP’s from one part of the UK being too numerous.

      This has been the mantra of David Cameron and the London-centric media during this time of electioneering.

      Why should this be? After all, every constituency in the UK elects an MP to represent them in the UK parliament at Westminster. If enough of those MP’s support the views of one of the larger parties, then a government is put together.

      We should remind ourselves here that both Wales and Northern Ireland have their own assemblies and Scotland has the Holyrood Parliament, reconvened in 1999, after a wee break since 1707.

      We elect representatives to those assemblies/parliaments – but we also elect MP’s to the UK parliament.

      Why should a plethora of SNP MP’s in the UK parliament cause a problem for English voters?

      It’s simple. For decades, if not centuries, the British establishment has promoted the idea that the UK parliament at Westminster is actually the ‘English’ parliament. There is no English parliament. England is the only nation in this United Kingdom which doesn’t have its own parliament.

      Hence ‘the English’ are led to believe that the parliament of the UK is THEIR parliament, and uppity Celts should be seen, enjoyed, their mountains climbed, their fish caught, their seas and islands explored and so on, but they should not be laying down the laws (in the UK parliament) that tell them, the English, what they can and can’t do.

      This is not just me seeing this. The clip below is from ‘Reporting Scotland’, broadcast on 5th May, 2015. There was a feature on how people in Yorkshire viewed the prospect of a substantial number of SNP MP’s heading down to Westminster on Scotland’s Dragon, the YES Bus.

      Compare the comments of Yorkshire businessman Adam Sinclair, with the ignorance exhibited in the comments from Philip Metcalf, proving that the problem is not Scottish – the problem is an English perception of the function of the United Kingdom parliament. And that perception of Westminster being the ENGLISH parliament is encouraged by the English based media.


    459. Oneironaut says:

      Well, time for me to call it a night… Or a morning, since it’s well past midnight now.

      Suppose I’ll call it a night anyway, since it looks like one, being all dark and with the moon out and everything!

      Gonna leave you with a music link for now.
      See ya all tomorrow! ๐Ÿ˜€

    460. Chic McGregor says:

      Since folk are going to need some cyber bubble wrap to relieve stress until we know the result, I thought I would say more on the analysis I did above.

      OK it might not be as good as the real thing but I think a suitable time passing comatose state can be guaranteed.

      On Electricity

      First I have a slight error to report on one of the calculations, I misread a six for a nine.

      “England generated 259 TWh but consumed 295 TWh, production/consumption ratio is 0.88”

      should be

      “England generated 259 TWh but consumed 265 TWh, production/consumption ratio is 0.97”

      Sorry about that, it doesn’t change any of the other numbers or conclusions.

      However perhaps I should explain more about the methodology used.

      To do that, let’s look at the specific case of England for 2013 and follow it through from generation to consumption.

      The Gross generation from all generators in England in 2013 was 271.942 TWh

      However, that is not the amount of electricity which is actually made potentially available to others on the grid because the generators use a small but significant amount in the generation process itself. Mainly when using pumped storage.

      So it makes little sense to use the gross figure in calculations and rather more sense, IMV, to use the figure which depicts that which is actually made potentially available to users.

      England’s generators used 13.343 TWh in the process of generating electricity, resulting in a net generation of 258.599 TWh

      Next England got
      From Europe 14.476 TWh
      From Scotland 13.275 TWh
      From Wales 1.696 TWh
      A total ‘topping up’ of 29.447 TWh

      Making the total now potentially available to users of 288.046 TWh

      However, there are unavoidable losses to come before the consumer gets their share. Mainly distribution and transmission losses, but also included in this accounting category, rather contentiously IMV, are losses due to electricity theft.
      For England in 2013 they amounted to a total for ‘losses’ of 22.582 TWh

      Therefore leaving the final amount actually consumed (perhaps we should add ‘legally’ here) at 265.464 TWh

      Now disingenuous unionist politicians (are there any other kind?) by taking the Gross generation figure and the final consumption figure and ignoring everything else in between, can and often do, make the claim that England generates slightly more than it consumes.

      More honestly, IMV, I have used the net generation figure for the pro rata per diem and consumption/production calculations.

      Arguably, a similar argument could be made for adding the distribution/transmission/theft losses to the consumption figure to get a ‘total consumption’ figure, which I have not done.

      An advantage of doing so would be that the true shortfall could be seen by simply taking the difference between net generation and total consumption.

      Which in England’s case would be nearly 30 TWh in 2013, plugged by Europe, Scotland and Wales.

      I was going to wax on about the Food and Wood sectors as well, but I am not entirely merciless.

    461. Thepnr says:


      Your an anorak, I’m a parka! Food and Wood sectors as well please ๐Ÿ™‚

      OK I can wait until after all the excitement is over.

    462. Chic McGregor says:


      Aye nae rush now. The per person per day comparison ploy is probably more of an indyref2 thing anyway.

      Are we close enough for a safe prediction yet? I think so.

      Mine is 37 SNP 18 SLAB 2 Libdem 2 Green

    463. Michael McCabe says:

      I predict 54 But this is what I hope for Scotland

    464. pete the camera says:

      So that’s libdems down 500 quid already

    465. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Guaranteed bawbaggery free zone, just for a few minutes –

      Ambient Music – Ocean Dolphins:

    466. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Here’s one for Kezia –

      Mental As Anything, ‘Live It Up’ –

    467. Michael McCabe says:

      Here is a wee lassie with a message for the labour party.

    468. Paula Rose says:

      Popcorn and sniggles lovelies.

    469. Michael McCabe says:

      Cathy jamieson gone. 1 up SNP Well done alan Brown. Cheer up Cathy. from the gravy train to the.

    470. Michael McCabe says:

      Angus McNeil Number Two SNP Yee ha

    471. Michael McCabe says:

      Mhairi Black Number 3 Youngest Member of Parliament gone yer self.

    472. Paula Rose says:

      So sweet.

    473. Michael McCabe says:

      Chris law number 4 things are looking up.

    474. Michael McCabe says:

      8 Declared winners for the SNP so far.

    475. fionan says:

      frank roy gone and not before time, this is amazing!!!!

    476. Michael McCabe says:

      Come on Paula Rose and Thepnr I know you are lurking. Gease a tune ?

    477. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Well, the polling companies seem to have overunderestimated the SNP’s share of the vote, iye?


    478. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      The Smurph has been fundimundilly…


    479. Michael McCabe says:

      Jim Murphy gone Yes Yes Yes Here’s a wee song Jim. Don’t Worry Jim I hear IRN Bru are looking for Crate Stackers.

    480. Betty Boop says:

      ???? just ????

    481. Betty Boop says:

      That was meant to be great big grins, to ?marks ?

    482. Michael McCabe says:

      Margaret Curran gone whoo hoo A wee song Margeret.

    483. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Alexander, Murphy, Curran…

      I thought we could get two of them but all three?

      The Wee Ginger Dug must be ecstatic!

    484. chipmonkey says:

      I can hardly believe it so far. What a night. Who needs sleep anyway ๐Ÿ™‚

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