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Posted on September 07, 2017 by

Great news, readers! After years of requests, it’s now finally possible to possess and cherish your very own adorable cuddly toy version of Wings’ symbolic embodiment of benign and welcoming independence, Hamish the lion!

Admittedly you’ll have to buy some slacker’s book of cartoons to get one, but that’s surely a small price to pay.

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Chris Cairns

After all the hype surrounding the soft toy Hamish I’ve told the overseer of the sweatshop in China to cancel the 5min lunch break and keep the 7-year-olds out of bed for another two hours at night so we can meet demand.

Seriously – it goes without saying I am grateful for the support the Rev and all youse Wingers have given over the years. A wee fluffy lion is the least I can offer in return. Many thanks.

Ghillie

Hamish could be in every child’s stocking this Christmas!

The limited edition Hamishs will be very special 🙂 but Chris, could we mibee have an affordable soft toy Hamish too please?

Macart

Awesome. 🙂

Corrado Mella

Get there quick, the fundraiser has smashed the £5K already.
66% of goal, in a flash.

fionan

Where were these Hamishes made?

I boycott all goods from China, Thailand, Koreas N&S, where they are importing our ex-racing greyhounds to boil them alive, skin them alive, cut legs off and leave them in agony for days at a time, blowtorch them and other unbelievable atrocities which they perpetrate also on stolen pets to supply their meat trade.

All because they believe that meat from tortured pets makes them more ‘virile’ – obviously they have no virility to start with! They also use the skins to make ‘fake fur’ which they sell to us.

So I cant subscribe to anything which allows this horror to continue. So, Chris, if these were made in the sweatshops of the UK, I would be happy to get one.But not if made in China.

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Ken500

Good luck.

£60 for a Lion?

‘National’ good this week. Still can’t get one after noon.

Desimond

Greg
This is all well and good but I trust it isn’t stopping your work on a Jacob Rees Mogg image!

Desimond

Of course I meant Chris
I have no idea who Greg is, I blame this sausage roll im eating whilst typing!

PS – Mind and click PERK folks when donating…

mike cassidy

Could we get Hamish to mate with Jacob Rees Moggie?

Just so we could call the offspring Moggieunus, Moggieduo …

Marie Clark

mike cassiday @ 11.34. Wash your mouth out with soap mike, what a suggestion. Who would wish that on oor wee hamish. LOL.

Ken500

Donation to Craig Murray.

In the category of don’t like the SNP being slagged off, but anything against the Daily Mail.

Ken500

Alex Rowley is better than Dugdale. He supported Independence and not going in with the Tories. It is unionist (Labour) council who are cutting education and essential services spending. Wasting money on grotesque projects of no value. No one wants. Cutting education spending. Would Mr Rowley have a word with them. The Labour councillors in league with the Tories in Aberdeen City Council. Changing council meeting for two jobs Tories to keep them in power. Thanks.

Ruth Davidson and May could be the next to go. Duplicity.

The cut in Defence vessels could an advantage in the long run. Less Defence spending. The Scottish Gov could have more to invest in building vessels on the Clyde. Ferries, supply boats, liners and turbines. They are already investing and in R & D. Swings and roundabouts.

Ken500

Nicola is brilliant.

Ken500

The Labour Party did not support minimum pricing in Scotland. All other parties did. It was passed in 2012 and still has to be implemented. Still waiting 2 to 5 months for a final outcome. Bleating hearts in Holyrood have short memories.

Ken500

FMQ’s been going on for 17 years.

Desimond

@Ken500

Our old friends at BBC Scotland Nwws had the main rep from Drinks Lobby, ie Ms Diageo, on a few weeks back saying how bad an idea minimum pricing was and how they were pursuing every legal avenue against the Govt despite repeated defeats.

Shows how much money they must make from the child\alky loved muck.

Apropos of nothing, Im sure Jackie Baillie still has good contacts for Peroni…

HandandShrimp

The SWA have been used as a fig leaf over minimum pricing.

Whisky, even the cheapest versions are barely affected by the move and the decent whiskies are so far above the proposed minimum per unit as to be completely untroubled. It is the cheap gut rot and alchopops that the big companies sell that they are worried about not whisky. No one is going to buy lighter fluid when it is the same price as something that is halfway palatable.

Richard MacKinnon

Kitsch, also called cheesiness or tackiness, is art or other objects that appeal to popular or uncultivated taste because they are garish or overly sentimental, which means that these objects are considered by other people to be ugly, without style, false, or in poor taste but enjoyed or appreciated by still other people in an ironic or knowing way or because it is funny. The word was first applied to artwork that was a response to certain divisions of 19th-century art with aesthetics that favored what later art critics would consider to be exaggerated sentimentality and melodrama. Hence, ‘kitsch art’ is closely associated with ‘sentimental art’. Kitsch is also related to the concept of camp, because of its humorous and ironic nature.

HandandShrimp

PS Hamish looks magnificent.

Giving Goose

Send a Hamish to the GMB office on the Clyde.

It will help them to remember that they have completely and utterly failed to properly represent the best interests of the Clyde shipbuilding workforce.

What a complete shower of cringing, British Nationalist idiots the GMB are.

All that their arse kissing antics have achieved is a loss of contracts, job security and a waste of valuable time that could have been used to reconfigure the yards.

Make no mistake; the propaganda value to the British Nationalists and other Tories of the GMB being against Scottish Independence was immense. The “Frigate factory” promise from London, together with the promise of new orders for English Navy ships for the Clyde was a major factor in scaring Scots away from a Yes vote.

The GMB should hang their heads in shame. What is more, the Clyde workforce should be calling for the heads of the shop stewards and other GMB representatives who sold them this cock and bull story about English navy ships being built on the Clyde.

How is it that I, and many, many Scots like me are not in the least bit surprised at the outcome?
Why is it that the GMB are so blind that they and their fellow cringers cannot see what others can?

Are they that stupid?

Cringing, British Nationalist, Uncle Tam, poodles the lot of them.

On second thoughts, Hamish is to good to grace their offices.

Marie Clark

Aye Giving Goose, it was a shame that nobody warned these folk what would happen eh!.

Not a lot of sympathy from this me, there is none so blind etc.

Jockanese Wind Talker

Prospective BLiS Leader Richard Leonard was a big “Vote no to Scottish Independence
Or the Ship Yards will shut” in his role with The GMB @Giving Goose says at 1:48pm.

Uilleam_beag

Fantastic to see this is just one furry Hamish away from the funding goal already — £7,940 of £8k raised and 21 days to go. I’d love to snap up the last one but not got the cash at the moment. Congratulations to whoever gets it.

Valerie

Well said @ Giving Goose.

No Indy supporters are the least bit surprised at this outcome.

I hope the shop floor at these yards direct their anger in the proper direction.

Quick glance at HoC, for first bit of debate on EU (withdrawal) Bill. Lots of empty green benches.

Peter Grant did say Scotland’s sovereignty is not for sale.

Usual Tory filibustering Arseholes like IDS going to bore us to death.

Famous15

Target reached! Great believer I am that humour is the best attack form give to the Unionist to piss out take them from.

Starting with wee Mindell on GMS and increasingly throughout the day it is impossible to satarise these clowns,but we will try.

Chris Cairns

Target reached inside 24hrs! You guys are the best 🙂

Remember, though, we’ve still got plenty of those perks to give away with early purchases so any and all orders still gratefully received. I’ll let you know when we’re danger of running out of Hamishes!

Thanks again.

crazycat

@ Valerie

I hope the shop floor at these yards direct their anger in the proper direction.

In the Herald article about this, one pipe fitter said that if we had “gotten independence” there would have been no work at all so Nicola Sturgeon was being hypocritical!

Another worker said it was nice that the other yards “in the UK” might get some contracts, otherwise they would shut.

I’m sure the Herald chose its interviewees carefully, but there may not be as much anger as you and I think there should be.

Robert Peffers

@Giving Goose says: 7 September, 2017 at 1:48 pm:

“Why is it that the GMB are so blind that they and their fellow cringers cannot see what others can?
Are they that stupid?”

YES!

If they quack talk stupid and they waddle walk stupid then, in all probability, they are indeed stupid – or is that just the ducks that are stupid?

Golfnut

@ crazy cat,

Interesting comments ‘ not building any ships at all ‘ after Independence. A clear indicator of how effective the media, unions and politicians have been in closing down or rubbishing the maritime (SDF) requirements for an Independent Scotland.

We actually need to start ‘ now ‘ discussing maritime defence, Frigates, OPVs, inshore, coastgaurd, Patrol aircraft etc, instead of this continual merry go round of waiting for Westminsters scraps.

Street Andrew

I think it was off topic, but someone discussing Minimum pricing for alcohol.

Who gets the extra profit?

What I’d like to see is pubs able to compete with supermarket pricing. Obviously you still pay extra for service and ambience and all that, but pub prices are ludicrous and so much of it is tax. Craft beers on draught need a swingeing reduction in tax/duty.

Suits the governing class to prevent people being able to meet up and ‘plot’ over a drink or two.

Graeme

it’s always easier to fool people than convince them they’ve been fooled even when it’s obvious,

o these No voting shipyard workers/shop/steward etc will find a way to blame someone else rather than admit to their own stupidity, and those who fooled them will gat away with, that’s just how it works in Scotland

heedtracker

Suits the governing class to prevent people being able to meet up and ‘plot’ over a drink or two.

Haha!

Its the smoking ban that’s closing boozers down.

manandboy

On the GMB website, the Union’s logo includes the title ‘experts in the world of work’.

Seems like more than the Tories are heavy into nostalgia – as well as self awareness with eyes tight shut.

The GMB – the Union for dinosaurs.

geeo

Ah…the GMB union…a shadow of its former self.

Full of employer sympathisers out to shaft it’s membership in the workplace for ‘grace and favour’ with them (employer).

I took them (GMB) to court a few years back after their rep tried to shaft me.

Not before i took my employer for 6 figures, mind you.

Handy 5 figure sum from GMB as well.

Went into my local branch and burned a membership renewal letter they sent out AFTER settling with me…!!

Not worth 2 fucks.

cearc

So sad that Hamish isn’t being sold seperately. £60 is way out of range at the moment.

I started to make one in early ’14 for my then expectant grandson but my arthritic fingers were just not up to fiddly little creatures.

manandboy

Graeme says:
“it’s always easier to fool people than convince them they’ve been fooled even when it’s obvious,”

I’m sure shipyard workers are no different from anyone else and will include among their numbers the same proportion of the foolish, the gullible and the naive as exists in the general population. Not to mention the brainwashed ‘I’m British’ contingent.
In addition, on the Clyde there will be the Ibrox factor which, though not in the realm of 100% as in Harland & Wolff in Belfast, will nevertheless be a consideration when assessing the way the men on the Clyde yards might vote.

I might add that gullibility and naivety do appear to be lifelong conditions, as well as being widespread in Scotland.
Or perhaps I’m the only one left. Haha.

One thing’s for sure, the BritNats are going all out to reach their target audience ie. those who can be fooled all the time.

Proud Cybernat

Shipbuilders – read it and weep…

link to imgur.com

Greg Moodie

Folks, please remember if you’re still planning on contributing, select the perk you want rather than the ‘Back It’ button at the top. It’s not clear and I’ve alerted Indiegogo to the problem. If you don’t choose a perk, we don’t get a note of where to send your goodies.

Sarah

@cearc 3.34: I would buy a pride of Hamishes for all young relatives [and me!]. I’m sure Chris will be sorting this out for us…

Petra

@ Chris Cairns says at 2:36 pm

”Target reached inside 24hrs! You guys are the best.”

No you’re the best political cartoonist in the UK (and beyond) Chris and definitely deserve our support X

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Does anyone else remember soldiers giving a Nazi salute in Scotland? At a football match?

‘Serving soldiers arrested over suspected links to banned neo-Nazi group National Action.’

link to thenational.scot

Brian Powell

Greg Moodie

I went for the whole package does that mean I now won’t get anything?

Ken500

Pub/bars make no profit on booze alone. It is the meals that make the profit. Less folk are drinking out. Taking health warnings. Scotland still drinks too much. Most competent Gov take steps to control it. Scotland can’t tax it. Minimum pricing was a solution. Labour voted against. All other Parties – Scottish Gov voted for it in 2012. Still two to five months before a final outcome. Minimum pricing could save public money. Smoking ban. Smoking has gone down. Now 20%? Chest infections in children has fallen. Many other health benefits.

Too many drink/drug services advocate ‘sensible’ or drinking wine with a meal. For people with addiction problems. Enough is never enough. ‘One chance’ total abstinence rehab/counselling is the best outcome. The Gov should only fund these advocates. Medical professionals can receive no training in drink/drug problems, unless they specialise. Wrong advice can kill people. Councils now are responsible for social care. Many advocate methodone programmes, it is cheaper but not most affective. Instead of proper total abstinence counselling/rehab. Cheaper than prison. Crime is connected to gender and drink/drug addiction. It can result in poverty. There are supportive groups which can be contacted.

manandboy

Meanwhile on the Westminster stage, Theresa May continues to perform her ‘escape artist’ routine in which she gets herself tied in knots and is then put into a box from which it is impossible to get out.

Nicola seems to have May’s act all figured out. It only remains for her critics to catch on.

Ps. Yes, guilty, I have been one myself, for a short while after GE17.

Valerie

@ geeo

Good for you standing up to GMB, and winning.

I am one of those people lucky enough to have been involved in a good Union branch, led by a man of real principle and common sense. Very intelligent guy. I was a lowly helper, but I was close by helping him with the donkey work.

I think it was only years later, I realised how much I learned.

It’s criminal the way Trade Unions have been run down, or used by liggers.

Dr Jim

It’s impossible to have a democracy using uneven numbers
the bigger gang always wins, always, every single time!
The best most skillful fiercest featherweight in the world will lose every time to a big stupid dumb slow heavyweight

The Inglish Parliament designed their politics in this way
You don’t have to agree with Sinn Fein’s politics to know that they’re right about that

The UK has four parliaments, one in each country, three out of the four countries didn’t vote for the Conservative party to run or control their affairs yet they do just that
under the guise of calling themselves the UK Government in a building constructed by them in their capital city but using all four countries money to do it, so there was never any intention at any time of Inglind perhaps thinking that any control of these Islands would ever God forbid be relinquished to any other constituent part or country of the so called UK and that it would forever be in the control of Inglind and whichever colour of Inglish party that would be

Which brings me back to the Sinn Fein argument and it’s a simple one, why on earth do we inflict upon ourselves this continuous ad nauseam repetitive ritual of General Elections to send our advocates to Inglind in order to represent Scotland in a parliament where the people of that country don’t want us, the parliament itself is arranged to disallow us equity, and the party who is in charge in that place may only be the one Scotland voted for by coincidence and as has been shown many times what Scotland votes for doesn’t count

So in Inglind our votes don’t count, our voices don’t count, our opinions don’t matter

All this brings me to my final point which is, in Scotland why do we pay the slightest attention to anything Unionists have to utter when they have been voted out of Scotland for the last ten years, we clearly don’t want them here do we

Maybe we should take back control

If any Unionists are offended by this, thanks!

Frann Leach

£60? I’m hard pressed to spare a fiver for the book, but £60? No effing way I can raise that

manandboy

Greg Moodie says
“Folks, please remember if you’re still planning on contributing, select the perk you want rather than the ‘Back It’ button at the top. It’s not clear and I’ve alerted Indiegogo to the problem. If you don’t choose a perk, we don’t get a note of where to send your goodies.”

If like me you’re one of them wot didnt do it right,
Just email Greg by clicking on his name/link, include your name and address and Greg will sort it. Couldn’t be simpler.
Big thanks to Greg. Top man.

manandboy

Greg Moodie

Try that.

Greg Moodie

@ Brian Powell
Brian, of course we’ll make sure you get your perks, I just need you to email me with a postal address. (info at gregmoodie .com)

yesindyref2

This is seriously ridiculous. The article goes up just before 10 this morning, though backers started yesterday, and it’s up to 110% with 21 days to go. With most on the Platinum at £60 to include soft Hamish.

Just plain ridiculous!

yesindyref2

Now, where in the name of the almighty whoosh, since my birthday’s gone and it’s not father’s day for 9 months, am I going to find £60 …

… I’m on it boss.

manandboy

Sorry, can’t get Greg’s link to transfer.
Alternatively, go to,

Greg Moodie says:
7 September, 2017 at 3:48 pm and click on greg moodie

Or email him at info@gregmoodie.com

Greg Moodie

@ yesindyref2
It reached the 50% mark last night after around 8 hours of being live. Outrageous. Shouldn’t be allowed.

manandboy

Hi Greg, yep overlap, no worries. Job done.

Petra

@ crazycat says at 2:36 pm …. In the Herald article about this, one pipe fitter said that if we had “gotten independence” there would have been no work at all so Nicola Sturgeon was being hypocritical!…”

The MSM in Scotland has a lot to answer for. Why has the Herald et al never reported on shipbuilding around the world, such as in countries like Norway and Finland? Meanwhile Unions are warning of the brain drain of skilled Scottish marine and naval engineers being targetted by countries such as Canada.

Take a look at the UK list. Most of them closed down now.

link to en.wikipedia.org

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The National is publishing a three-part series on Scottish engineering feats. Double page spread. Really interesting.

link to thenational.scot

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Support Independence by subscribing to the National newspaper.

link to thenational.scot

Tatu3

I agree with Dr Jim, above. Why DO we bother? It makes no sense at all to keep sending Scottish MPs to Westminster. “What Scotland votes for doesn’t count”.

Petra

Scotland is being run by a Tory party that they didn’t vote for and the DUP that they can’t (and wouldn’t want to) vote for.

Living in a democracy? My backside.

yesindyref2

@Greg Moodie
Appalling behaviour, automatic vile cybernats indoctrinated theft trap.

Mmm, wife informed me Christmas is coming up and if I get that, she gets £60 worth of something herself. Very appropriate I don’t get to open it till Christmas, always used to get the Giles annual (still got them all), but never bought the Express!

I’ll check the card’s got credit on it 🙂

Andy-B

Craig Murray’s defence fund sails past £50,000 pounds, and although I disagree with George Galloway on his view on Scottish independence. Galloway contributed £500 quid to help Murray.

Of course any put down of the Daily Mail, is welcome.

Robert Peffers

@Valerie says: 7 September, 2017 at 2:21 pm:

“Quick glance at HoC, for first bit of debate on EU (withdrawal) Bill. Lots of empty green benches.”

Aye! Valerie, The truth is beginning to sink into some Westminster brains what the situation is in reality.

A reality any sensible person knew from the outset.

There isn’t going to be a deal that comes anywhere near what our Imperial Westminster Masters imagined would be theirs for the asking, or should that read threatening?

And NO I do not buy/read the Express and thus cannot/will not, give links to it.

I’m cutting & pasting text directly from an on-line News agency website source. This from today’s Express:-

“FURIOUS Michel Barnier today crushed Britain’s dream of a special trade deal with Europe and told the KU he is “very disappointed” by its refusal to accept the legal basis for paying a Brexit bill which is creating a crisis of confidence.”

Also from today’s Express:-

BRUSSELS boss Jean-Claude Juncker questioned Brexit secretary David Davis’ “stability and accountability” in an epic behind closed doors rant, an explosive dossier reveals today.

And yet again from the Express today:-

THE EU’s Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has accused the UK of “backtracking” on a promise to settle its hefty divorce bill.

In a shock attack on Brexit Secretary David Davis, Mr Barnier claimed he had lost “confidence and trust” in the UK.

The Frenchman said Britain had U-turned on its pledge to settle various “financial commitments” after leaving the bloc.

And he insisted former PM David Cameron agreed to the EU budget in 2013, meaning the UK will have no option but to pay up.

Mr Barnier told a press conference in Brussels: “I’ve been very disappointed by the UK position as expressed last week.

“Because it seems to be backtracking on the original position of the UK to honour its international commitments, including the commitments post-Brexit.

“So there’s a problem of confidence here, so I’m worried about the credibility of 28 member states signing up to the commitments entailed by the EU budget.

“We need to think about the future and work on a basis of confidence and trust.”

Mr Barnier told a press conference in Brussels: “I’ve been very disappointed by the UK position as expressed last week.

“Because it seems to be backtracking on the original position of the UK to honour its international commitments, including the commitments post-Brexit.

“So there’s a problem of confidence here, so I’m worried about the credibility of 28 member states signing up to the commitments entailed by the EU budget.

“We need to think about the future and work on a basis of confidence and trust.”

Mr Barnier told a press conference in Brussels: “I’ve been very disappointed by the UK position as expressed last week.

“Because it seems to be backtracking on the original position of the UK to honour its international commitments, including the commitments post-Brexit.

“So there’s a problem of confidence here, so I’m worried about the credibility of 28 member states signing up to the commitments entailed by the EU budget.

“We need to think about the future and work on a basis of confidence and trust.”

His staggering comments came as MPs began to debate the historic EU Withdrawal Bill in the House of Commons.

The legislation will revoke the 1972 Act taking the UK into the EEC and incorporate relevant EU laws into the British statute book.

Labour plans to vote against the bill on its second reading, sparking claims the party is trying to block or frustrate Brexit.

But Labour sources insisted its MPs wanted to stop undemocratic “power grab” by ministers under so-called Henry VIII powers./

yesindyref2

Yay! Phoned up card automated balance and it said “yesindyref2 seeing as how it’s for Hamish, you have credit.” Amazing, they must read Wings. Can’t wait till Christmas 🙂 🙂 Nor can Mrs YIR2, she’s already mentally spending her £60 – pre-Christmas sale.

@Andy-B
Actually mainstream journalists and broadcasters should donate to his fund whatever their political bias – they’re under threat from that as well. So should Sky. I doubt the Daily Mail guy will have much company in his usual pubs, what a [redacted].

Proud Cybernat

Salmond taken down. Robertson taken down. Ahmed-Sheikh taken down. The Rev targeted. Andy Wightman targeted. Craig Murray targeted.

Anyone see a pattern here?

It’s the age-old tactic used the world over–take out the leaders and the followers will quit.

Not an effing chance.

Robert Peffers

I do not know how many Wingers realise this fact but I think it will be very few indeed. It sure as hell surprised this old Winger.

There will be more cross EU border roads between the two parts of Ireland than between all the other EU member states and non-EU states put together.

Some roads in Ireland actually re-cross the borders several times.

cite:-

link to bbc.co.uk

ronnie anderson

@ Robert Peffers. Barnier also said that the UK gov cant take EU citizenship from the NtIrish , they can be either all Irish EU citizen’s or Brit Irish citizens .

Therein lies hope for Scottish EU citizenship .

Andy-B

On the debate today in the House of Commons regarding the now renamed EU Withdrawal bill.

It was very interesting to listen to Sir Keir Starmer, highlight that Clause:11 of the bill will see all powers meant for the devolved governments and assembles, go straight to Westminster instead.

Starmer also shone light onto the possibility (due to the complexity but more like the incompetence of the UK government) the real need to extend the EU final exiting date of 2019.

David Davis the Secretary of State for Exiting the EU, sat opposite Starmer, with what can only be described as a smug grin, on his face.

Even Sir Ken Clarke, the current Father of the House, on giving his speech today appeared somewhat perturbed at the direction Brexit is moving in.

Robert Peffers

@heedtracker says: 7 September, 2017 at 2:59 pm:

” … Its the smoking ban that’s closing boozers down.”

Reality check here, heedtracker –

As there are now a great deal many more non-smoking Scots than there are Scots who smoke the claim that the smoking ban is closing Scottish pubs is absolute rubbish.

In fact the ban on smokers should encourage more people who want to avoid second hand tobacco smoke back into pubs.

yesindyref2

@cearc
F*ck that for a game of soldiers. If you email Chris Cairns, or Greg Moodie with your address details, I’ve still got credit on my card. I’ll put it through for your address, and you can repay me direct to bank account when you’re able. I end up summer with money, but earn little over winter so don’t get cashflow problems till after January. BDTT has my email as does Paula and Lenny, and we can arrange communication (I’m naturally wary of making myself known). Better still if you can carefully drop your email address in OT.

wull2

It’s good to see the latest thread is not clogged up with the usual culprits spouting the usual rubbish, diving away new visitors. This is mainly an Impedance site, although other views are welcome, but not every day, all day.
In that last thread I almost stopped going to the site myself, but to do this it is what they want.
Vote YES next time.

Hamish100

Ffion I don’t do Chinese goods. Remember to avoid the new bridge with Chinese steel.

There are exploiters of people everywhere including Scotland. Speak to young people working in certain stores.

Robert J. Sutherland

Worth repeating (since you won’t get it from the BritNat MSM, is this extract from Michel Barnier’s speech of last week, telling it like it is:

“The UK government decided to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union.

We respect this sovereign decision.

But one thing is clear: The Single Market, the EU capacity to regulate, to supervise, to enforce our laws, must not and will not be undermined by Brexit.

The UK strongly contributed to the development of our single market which is the foundation of the EU. It understands well, very well, how it works.

The European Council guidelines state that the Union will preserve its autonomy of decision-making.

The UK wants to take back control, it wants to adopt its own standards and regulations.

But it also wants to have these standards recognised automatically in the EU. That is what UK papers ask for.

This is simply impossible. You cannot be outside the Single Market and shape its legal order.

Thirdly, the first phase of this negotiation is about creating trust.

Let me take two examples where we still need to build trust.

On citizens’ rights

We have clarified a few points this week, but we need to go further to reassure citizens.

Over the summer, around one hundred EU and EEA citizens living lawfully in the UK received deportation letters.

The UK government quickly recognised that this was a mistake.

But this is not the first time that something like this has happened.

It reinforces the need to ensure that citizens’ rights are directly enforceable in front of national jurisdictions, under the control of the European Court of justice, a point on which we disagree today.

On the financial settlement

EU taxpayers should not pay at 27 for the obligations undertaken at 28. This would not be fair.

In July, the UK recognised that it has obligations beyond the Brexit date.

But this week the UK explained that these obligations will be limited to their last payment to the EU budget before departure.

Yet we have joint obligations towards third countries. For example:
We have guaranteed long-term loans to Ukraine, together.
We jointly support development in Africa, the Caribbean and Pacific countries through the European Development Fund.

After this week, it is clear that the UK does not feel legally obliged to honour these obligations after departure.

We have also jointly committed to support innovative enterprises and green infrastructure in European regions until 2020. These are not recognised by the UK as legal obligations.

With such uncertainty, how can we build trust and start discussing a future relationship?

We need to address together these issues seriously and rigorously.”

Giving Goose

Crazycat

It’s not just Clyde anger (or lack of) that is the issue.

It is the fact that the English navy ship orders were weaponised (excuse the obvious pun) to scare the greater electorate.

Of course anyone with half a brain could see through the lies about “Frigate factories” and additional orders.

Damage was done and the GMB union should for ever more be known as friends of the Tories.

The GMB – Bowing and Scraping to Their London Tory Masters at a shipyard near you.

Capella

Ordered the bumper cartoon book but will wait and see whether the Hamish toy comes out as a fundraising item. Will get a badge at least!
Good to see the total zooming past the target. Got to fund the holidays somehow.

I’m all donated out this month what with Stu, Craig, and previously Andy all waiting for the courts to pronounce.

On Heydrich – waiting for another set of docs to arrive, probably in the next couple of weeks so hope to be able to update on the quote soon.
Still on the case.

Bill Hume

I’m a wee bit perturbed at the number of pro independence people who need my money right now. On the other hand, I’m not being asked to stand in a muddy field near Stirling, with a pike or sword and expected to defeat the largest army in the British isles.
So…..money is only money.

Andy-B

Well, these are very interesting political times, as a ex-Secretary of State for Scotland contradicts the opinion of the current Secretary of state for Scotland.

LibDem, MP Alistair Carmichael has said that, Theresa May’s government are about to attempt a blatant power grab, using Clause :11 of the EU Exiting bill.

However the current Secretary of State for Scotland David Mundell, has dismissed the claim. I’m not surprised at Mundell’s position, however I’m pleasantly surprised that Carmichael, hasn’t defended the British governments position on Clause:11.

Jockanese Wind Talker

Definition of an EXPERT @manandboy says at 3:11 pm

“On the GMB website, the Union’s logo includes the title ‘experts in the world of work’

EX = A Has Been

Spurt = A Drip under pressure.

You can see the BLiS link more clearly when this definition is used.

🙂

Robert J. Sutherland

Giving Goose @ 18:20,

Not to forget that Richard Leonard, candidate for Branch Manager of Labour’s Northern Accounting Unit, was a long-term organiser in Central Scotland for the very same GMB. So from recent experience of that bunch, we can likely expect a dissembling forelock-tugger at the helm if he wins.

budwiser

Were the SNP at Westminster today???

Because every news bulletin I have heard has only mentioned the Tories and the Labour Party.

Tackety Beets

Anyone catch Radio Shortbread tonight about 17.50 ?

I only caught a bit as passenger was gassing! (Can YE no Wheesht when yer telt!)

Sounded like a woman from one of the Islands being bombarded by hurricane found time to bring Brexit into the report.
What I thought she said , words to this effect ” when our island ( being British) exits EU we have a problem because the other half of our Island is French & they too are in EU ” etc etc

As I said I’m sketchy with detail as passenger widna Wheesht!

Brexit nightmare continues ……. To get worse instead of better.

I’ll hopefully catch it later on tinternit.

Jockanese Wind Talker

We surely are living in Interesting Times @Andy-B says at 6:59 pm

“ex-Secretary of State for Scotland contradicts the opinion of the current Secretary of state for Scotland.”

Legally Proven Liar, Kirk Elder, Gentleman Farmer & (FibDem MP) Alistair Carmichael

VS

Fluffy Mundell, Last Viceroy of Her Imperial Majesty’s Colony of Scotland (aka North Bwitain) and subject of joke used in ill considered court case.

Which is telling the truth (if any)?

Looks like Ali, Ali Pants on fire might be for a change.

Meg merrilees

Andy-B

Carmichael the Liar is a Scottish solicitor and the Law Society of Scotland has already condemned the bill as being a blatant WM power grab.
Hence he can stand against it with impunity – but at least he has done so.

I think this is the angle that Sir Keir Stammer is also taking when he says Labour will vote against it.

Let’s hope they do – we can watch the fireworks starting pretty soon. Stock up on popcorn

galamcennalath

Brexit, the turd that just won’t flush away. An excellent editorial from the Guardian, IMO.

It’s about Ireland and Brexit but highlights the far out thinking of Brexiteers. They simply don’t understand how the EU functions and what it stands for.

Small countries in the EU matter and in this negotiation I have no doubt that the Irish government have a greater say on the outcome than the UK. That is something the UK has to come to terms with.

link to archive.is

In a wider context, the Ireland / EU position could have enormous implications for an iScotland.

yesindyref2

Carmichael needs to redeem himself and regain “integrity”, and should be encouraged to do so.

yesindyref2

Half OT – outline spec for the T31E (at £250 million).

link to savetheroyalnavy.org

I think the idea may be to keep the initial budget low, and upgrade during the lifetime, so need for flexibility and modularity. Sensible political approach, actually and sadly.

Robert J. Sutherland

galamcennalath @ 19:54,

I have just written to the Culture, Tourism, Europe and External Relations Committee on a similar point: how can any proposed settlement differentiate between NI and Scotland? Constitutionally-speaking, the UK is either a unitary state in its entirety or not at all.

The Commmittee is meeting with Barnier in Brussels this coming Monday. The outcome should be interesting, though we’re likely to hear very little of it from RepScot, I expect.

Macart

@galamcennalath

Good catch and well worth spreading.

I suspect also a subject which may be raised when Mr Barnier next meets the FM.

Ken500

The Libdem convicted liar. Did the Law Society not debar him. The LibDem coalition who jumped into power with Cameron caused Brexit. They facilitated it. Hypocrisy and duplicity beyond belief. Shameless.Have the LibDems been charged with electoral fraud yet. Along with the Tories.

Why are the military constantly posing with a football club. The military is supposed to be non political. Funded by all taxpayers. Not used for political purposes. Subject to Police investigation.

They ‘arrest’ enough people on ‘charges’ that can never go to court. Wasting public money.

Dave McEwan Hill

Robert Peffers at 5.34

Agreed, Robert (I’ve had two pubs). It is nothing to do with the smoking ban.(Most pubs have a sheltered outside place for smoking anyway).

It is to do with supermarket drink prices which means that a punter can buy five or six large cans of lager for the price of one pint in the pub. Also draught prices from brewers are extortionate and especially so in tied houses which not only pay extortionate beer prices but are tied to buying most of their other stock at ludicrous prices through the brewer. A drop off in trade in pubs (due to supermarket competition and dear prices for draught beer)has led to further raised prices in pubs which has worsened the situation.

Longer hours with all the costs and no increase in possible revenue has also made pubs less viable, not more viable.

The loss of decent well run pubs, which in many areas were the social and community centre,is a sad concern.

Robert J. Sutherland

yesindyref2 @ 20:05,

Your sentiments are kindly, and some kind of reputational redemption should always be available. We need conversions to win! For me though he was the Tories’ bag-carrier and hatchet-man in Scotland during the late-unlamented coalition, so I would look for rather more from him than this easy step.

My personal touchstone would be his outright rejection of the LibDems’ current hypocritical position of wanting an all-UK EURef2 while outright denying an indyref2.

Ken500

The are more gyms as social places. Changing lifestyles.

@ Craig Murray

‘Bell Pottinger to go bust within days’.

Andy-B

Mike Russell, the Scottish governments chief, in dealing with Brexit, has said at a Scottish Parliaments Europe Committee meeting, that Westminster’s treatment of devolved governments/assembles, has been “Intolerable.”

The Scottish government have also expressed dismay at a lack of consultation by the UK Government on its series of Brexit papers, some of which cover areas of devolved competence such as civil law.

Mr Russell added that the UK could possibly be in breach of the constitution over its shoddy handling of Brexit. Russell went on to say that Scottish ministers cannot recommend giving their consent to the EU Exiting bill as it stands.

It looks as though we are heading for a constitutional crisis. The Scottish government must remain resolute on all matters.

John de Soulis

yesindyref2 @8:05 says

“Carmichael needs to redeem himself and regain “integrity”, and should be encouraged to do so.”

Carmichael has no integrity to recover, if his arse was on a ministerial seat and or the lib dems were still in coalition he would have the same opinion as fluffy.

Don’t be deceived by these people compared to them corkscrews look straight. 😉

Fireproofjim

Tackety Beets @7.27
The only island shared by two countries in the West Indies is St Martin but the French share it with the Dutch, not the British.
There are a few small British islands which were offered independence but refused – Turks & Caicos, British Virgins, Anguilla. & Montserrat. All are being hammered by Hurricane Irma..

Robert J. Sutherland

Andy-B @ 20:38,

A very encouraging development, and about time too.

The SG and Holyrood should make such a constitutional uproar over Brexit in Scotland that the UKGov would be only too willing to get us gone.

Tough luck on those remaining PSBs, as their eyes are finally opened to the hard fact that they don’t matter a toss to their erstwhile “partners” masters.

budwiser

In the short time I have been using Wings I have noticed that there is a tight group who talk amongst themselves and if you are not in that tight clique then you are ignored.

just my opinion.

Nevertheless, it is a very informative site.

yesindyref2

OT
link to snp.org

Good restrained moderate language from Ian Blackford, setting out the stall.

yesindyref2

@Robert J. Sutherland
Well, he would be a highly visible “Journey to YES”, and logically it is his only destination. He’s supposed to have been highly regarded, and some say (me for instance) that he was overtaken by his role as a Minister, effectively subverted by Westminster, and became what he was then. But if that’s not the “real” Alastair Carmichael he’s going to have to work twice as hard to redeem himself.

He did get re-elected by his constituents, and I doubt they’re an easy bunch to fool.

Robert J. Sutherland

budwiser @ 20:47,

Hi bud,

Sorry you feel like that. I get routinely ignored, but press on regardless, hoping that some reader somewhere still recognises my acute observational insights. =grin=

So what do you want to discuss…?

(PS: I fervently hope you are inspired by the Czech wonder brew rather than the US p*sswater. =laugh=)

Valerie

Hi budwiser and welcome

Just out in your tuppence! Yes, there are some that post much more than others, but pays to remember there are also a lot of lurkers, just reading, and your point may resonate with them!

We need new blood 🙂

stewartb

Noting the discussion about Mr Carmichael and his potential for journeying to yes.

I live in hope that one of our present day poets/composers will create something along the lines of the song ‘Parcel of Rogues’ that is fit for our times and will endure very long after I’m gone. I live in hope that the lyrics will reference the ‘rogues’ that are Darling and Brown for the roles they played in 2014. They will have an ignominious place in Scotland’s ‘future’ history.

Mr Carmichael could still be viewed differently when the history of this time comes to be written .. as could e.g. Mr McLeish! But the time for these and others with a public profile to stand up and be counted for Scotland’s self-determination is now!

Ian Brotherhood

@Budwiser –

Some chat away wi’ each other, ignore others…it’s a complex network of relationships that’s grown over the years and no-one can keep across all the permutations and comings and goings.

Aye, it’s informative, but it should also be a welcoming and enjoyable experience.

😉

yesindyref2

@budwiser
Yes, there’s a main group, but there’s also fringe groups, and people like me just doing our own thing regardless. Sometimes people reply to us sometimes people insult us. Often they just ignore us. Makes life easier.

The thing to remember though is that btl – below the line – that’s us forum posters – there’s no obligation to post. So if you say something like “the sky is pink” and some people call you a “yoon” for saying so, maybe where you are the sky IS pink and it’s sunset and it’s going to be a good day tomorrow.

Where I am it’s been p&ssing down with rain 🙂

Katie

Omigod! I love Hamish!!! I think he might be the new Alexander Meerkat! 🙂

Robert Peffers

@ronnie anderson says: 7 September, 2017 at 5:25 pm:

” … Barnier also said that the UK gov cant take EU citizenship from the NtIrish , they can be either all Irish EU citizen’s or Brit Irish citizens .
Therein lies hope for Scottish EU citizenship”

I’ve been telling you much the same thing, Ronnie, since the idea of a UK exit was first mentioned.

The whole point of the EU is to protect all EU citizens and if the EU cannot be seen to be doing so then the EU is a pointless union.

All it requires is for the EU to state what is actually the truth. That the United Kingdom is exactly what it calls itself A United Kingdom, of ONLY two former independent, equally sovereign, kingdoms. It has never been legally a single unified country.

If you, or anyone else, can find any legal proof that the Westminster Establishment’s claim it is a unified country is true when there are obviously four distinct countries contained in the two partner kingdoms, (and three of them were already parts of the Kingdom of England long before the Treaty of Union was signed), then I wish they would cite their evidence.

The Westminster Establishment claims that the Treaty of Union EXTINGUISHED the Kingdom of Scotland and renamed the Kingdom of England as, “The United Kingdom” but there is no evidence that is true.

Yet the Westminster Parliament is certainly now operating as the de facto Parliament of the Country of England and openly uses EVEL to prove that it does. Yet at the same time Westminster calls itself, (when it isn’t claiming to be Britain), The United Kingdom.

It factually cannot be both and neither can it be either as long as it operates as the Parliament of England and the proof of that pudding is there is no elected members to a parliament of England. Westminster is therefore the, unelected as such, Parliament of England. Nicola Sturgeon was elected as a Member of the Scottish Parliament & Theresa May was elected as a Members of the United Kingdom Parliament. So no one elected Thereasa as the leader of the Parliament of England

Factually no one is elected as a member of the Parliament of England because there legally is no such parliament.

The Westminster Establishment must imagine that the 27 other states of the European Parliament are all bloody idiots.

In the wind up of the UKExit negotiations all the EU negotiator needs do is tell Westminster that the EU only recognises that the United Kingdom is exactly what it calls itself.

That the EU Citizens of the Kingdom of Scotland democratically voted to remain as EU citizens and Scotland will remain in the EU as the hereditary partner of the now dis-united former United Kingdom and what remains is thus the three country Kingdom of England. It is thus that Kingdom of England, that has no elected parliament, that must decide what and who will officially govern England. Get your shares in Pop Corn manufacturing in now before the share values goes sky high.

Now you may hold a different view but the fact is the EU will be diminished by more than losing a member state if it cannot guarantee to protect its own existing EU citizens right to remain EU citizens.

I’ll make a prediction now, that in the not too distant future, All Ireland will be reunited and Scotland will be again, first an independent kingdom and shortly afterwards an independent republic.

Wales, though, now that’s quite a different story as they have been subject to English immigration since before The Statute of Rhuddlan in 1284 and the Prince of Wales is the first born son of the legally sovereign monarch of England.

jfngw

@StewartB

I’ll not hold my breath waiting on Carmichael’s transition to Yes, Orkney was the highest area for No in 2014. They tend to see themselves as Orcadians first, I don’t really think they see a parliament in Westminster or Holyrood will make any difference to them. Don’t know about Shetland, never been there.

Highland Wifie

@budwiser
I’m a new poster myself and it can be disconcerting when you seem to be ignored. I try not to take it personally. I only post when I feel the urge and it gets it off my chest at least.
I enjoy reading all the posts but hardly respond to any. There must be lots of us like that so you are in good company! Keep going.

HandandShrimp

Welcome Budwiser

I like to doodle in the margins but I do enjoy the banter of the regulars. I don’t think there is any bar on becoming a regular but some post way more so they tend to get involved in far more conversations. Posting can become a major past time.

uno mas

@ Budwiser

Still feeling left out and ignored?

The general rule on this site is that if you post something interesting or informative then the other contributers will reply or add further comment.

If at times a good post gets overlooked it´s because the standard of posts and information shared is so high that sometimes you have to shout to get a hearing.

This is one of the factors that make this site so successful.

Robert J. Sutherland

Robert Peffers @ 21:59,

The whole UK so-called “constitution” is an unredeemable swamp. (EVEL in WM being the most recent effluent added.)

I have long held that the least-recognised element of English resistance to Scottish independence is their repressed understanding that the event would also bring down the whole house of cards south of the border, and force a long-needed wholesale reformation.

The corollary being that those in Scotland who are sympathetic to English constitutional reform should actually support independence!

Please note that, Cat Boyd and all such fellow-travellers…

mike d

Giving goose 1.48pm. Exactly,let’s call it what it is. The REN. The “Royal English Navy”. And don’t you forelock tugging,knee bending,a**e shafted proud scot buts forget that.

budwiser

Thanks for all the compassionate replies, LOL

budwiser

Like the rest of you I am just counting down the seconds to IndyRef2.

Macart

@budwiser

*waves*

“Like the rest of you I am just counting down the seconds to IndyRef2.

Me too. 🙂

Capella

Interesting 40 min video on who owns Scotland. Interview with Andy Wightman, which goes some way to explaining why he is being attacked in the courts. This is a very edgy issue.:
link to youtube.com

The comment from Ian Duncan 2 yrs ago (third down) is particularly apt

mike d

Robert 9.59pm. Agree with your prediction for a united Ireland. But as for Scotland! My head says no. Too many incomers indifferent to our aspirations. Abetted by our enemy within.

Robert Peffers

@budwiser says: 7 September, 2017 at 8:47 pm:

“In the short time I have been using Wings I have noticed that there is a tight group who talk amongst themselves and if you are not in that tight clique then you are ignored.
just my opinion.”

Perhaps you have been around for too short a time, budwiser?
The only ones that get ignored are those who have rather questionable motives and agendas. You will find that if you have a different opinion it will be listened to and replied to and logical arguments will be offered.

let’s face it that in some cases these people can never be part of a real independence movement because they have set views that will never be changed. The present lot are anti-SNP. Now no one, not even this life long SNP supporter agrees 100% with the party but factually the SNP are quite different from all other UK political parties in that the leadership does not form party policy.

Party policy can only be agreed by the delegates sent by local branches to National Conference. Thus party policy is decided by the rank & file members and not by the parliamentarians or by outside organs like the Labour Party supporting individual Trade Unions, or even the TUC or STUC and the Tory party supporting big Business and long term groups like the 1922 Committee. The SNP membership mainly upholds conference democratic decisions. Those who do not usually resign from the party as a matter of conscience but will usually continue to support most of the party’s policies as independents.

If, though, it is mince that these you claim to be outsiders are postulating then it will be treated as mince and in most cases such differing views only debated until it become obvious there is a hidden agenda behind their comments.

There is currently a bunch of such commenters attempting to disrupt threads.

Ghillie

Hey there Budwiser = )

Well you certainly have not been ignored tonight!

Actualy. No one is ignored.

Because, I for one, read and appreciate every single post.

(with the exception of a few Gish Gallopers who get skipped over)

That’s for everyone btw 🙂

ronnie anderson

@ budwiser just keep playing the keyboard , the notes dont need to be in the right order as long as your playing our tune INDEPENDENCE .

See how easy it is to be recognised .

Bob p

Have to agree with Mike d. The Irish have a pride in their nation.And their own abilities. something that a lot of so called “proudscot buts “will never have. JC, and then my english born kids wonder why i despise one half of my fellow country men. Aye only in Scotland.

Ghillie

Hey Ronnie thats a really nice way to put it =)

ronnie anderson

@ Ghillie I do hit a turn of phrase noo n again since ma speilings improved lol .

Robert J. Sutherland

Oh dear, joined now by a couple of other dismal Rockalikes to put a damper on the party. “We’re doooomed….”

Don’t agree chaps.

I prescribe a complete session of “No to Yes” videos. Maybe then you’ll feel a little better.

(Assuming you’re actually open to the possibility, that is.)

Bob p

RJS. No I’m not a rockalike. But i won’t hold my breath on our country becoming independent. BUT fingers crossed.

Brian Doonthetoon

Hi ronnie anderson at 10:57 pm.

You typed,
“@ Ghillie I do hit a turn of phrase noo n again since ma speilings improved lol .”

I’m happy that you believe that your speilings improved. Next, you’ll be announcing that you’re consuming grammar peels. A man of your talents should be able to peel a grammar… ripe or no’…

8=)

dakk

@budwiser

I for one have noted and appreciate your contributions in last few weeks.

Don’t have much time to comment myself now but still try keep abreast as best I can.

Personally,I find a wee bit of trolling will solicit some response 🙂

Fionan

Hamish100
If you go to reply to a comment, at least have the common decency to read it first. Firstly, the bridge is of no interest to me, and I am not likely to use it.

Secondly, I never mentioned exploitation of people. I am perfectly aware of the exploitation of people in Scotland and elsewhere, and I despise it, and I despise those who perpetrate exploitation.

As far as I am aware, mass routine prolonged severe torture of sentient beings of any kind, human or otherwise, for the purpose of ‘increasing’ some perverted tossers’ ‘virility’ does not take place in Scotland, or indeed in most countries. But it does take place daily in China and Thailand, Bali and Korea. For that reason, I boycott all and any goods from these countries. Bridges and all.

I hope that clarifies my previous comment for you.

Rock

John de Soulis,

“Carmichael has no integrity to recover, if his arse was on a ministerial seat and or the lib dems were still in coalition he would have the same opinion as fluffy.

Don’t be deceived by these people compared to them corkscrews look straight. ?”

Very well said.

Same applies to the likes of Dugdale.

The independence movement should keep well away from them, if it wants to have any credibility.

In my humble opinion, too many on the Yes side are gullible and easily taken in by the likes of Carmichael and Dugdale.

Rock

budwiser,

“In the short time I have been using Wings I have noticed that there is a tight group who talk amongst themselves and if you are not in that tight clique then you are ignored.”

Very well said.

WOS is a Scottish political blog, but the usual suspects want to turn it into a cosy chatting site.

Chick McGregor

Mike Cassidy
“Could we get Hamish to mate with Jacob Rees Moggie?”

Throwing Christians to the lions, is even too passe for the Tories, or is it?

Scot Finlayson

Could Craig Murray be eligible for a grant from The Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust,

`Our Aims
The Trust seeks to:

correct imbalances of power, supporting the voice of the individual, the small and weak where that voice is stifled by the group, the big and strong.`

the establishment have been using their judicial system to attack anyone they see as a threat to their hold on power,

remember what happened to Tommy Sheridan,even proven innocent was not enough to save him.

ronnie anderson

@ Brian Doonthetoon I laugh in the face of the grammatical correctness , loud Peels of laughter ( is ma comma in the right place ) lol .

Petra

Hi Budwiser. A big welcome from me.

……………………………

Taken from the National notice board:

The Ferret is holding a symposium on Saturday at the Dreel Halls in Anstruther from 11:00am to 5:00pm. It includes a debate on freedom of information with speakers such as former Scottish Police Authority Board member Moi Ali and Andy Wightman. After the AGM there will be food, drink and live music at the Boathouse. Tickets are £5 to £19 (plus booking fee) from bit.ly/FerretSymp

………………….

SNP CND presents Two Men and a Bomb: How Close Did They Take Us? At 1pm on Sunday in the CCA, 350 Sauchiehall Street, Glasgow. Speakers include George Kerevan, Bill Kidd MSP who was an observer at the UN when it recently formulated the Nuclear Weapons Ban Treaty; and anti-nuclear campaigner Brian Quail.

…………………..

Craigentinny / Duddingston SNP invites fellow members to Renewing the SNP Policy Agenda; Delivering on the Promise of Progressive Reform. Speakers include Robin McAlpine, Simon Barrow (author of A Nation Changed); Barbara-Anne Haig (Social Bite) and Richard Dixon (Friends of the Earth Scotland). Saturday from 3pm to 6pm at Out of the Blue, Dalmeny Street, Leith. Book a free place via bit.ly/Craigentinny

cearc

yesindyref2,

That’s very sweet of you but I’d rather not make the commitment. Paul has my email

Col

It would be great if the EU recognised both Northern Ireland’s vote to remain aswell as Scotland’s. I have my doubts whether they will go to too great a length for us though. Ireland does seem to have very specific needs I think. Maybe there’s deals being made in the background there who knows.

Ghillie

Just listened to FMQ.

My belief that we are well on our way to Independence, lead by an exceptionaly competant Government, is again refreshed and renewed 🙂

ronnie anderson

@ Robert Peffers 9.59 [I’ll make a prediction now, that in the not too distant future, All Ireland will be reunited and Scotland will be again, first an independent kingdom and shortly afterwards an independent republic.]

I whole heartedly agree with your sentiments , with the exception to the Republic part of your post that i fear will take a bit longer 15/20 yrs longer . It will take roughly 10 yrs for Scotland & the People to adjust to Independence & i hope we have a stable SNP gov during those years .

cearc

Tackety breeks,

Didn’t hear it but I did read something a while back about the ‘territories’. People were almighty upset. Many of the islands are very interdependent for trade, tourism, resources and everything.

Having customs etc would be a major clusterfudge and they didn’t even get a vote on it!

Tackety Beets

Fireproofjim @ 8.45 pm

Thank you.
Indeed it was the island of Anguilla that was discussed and the lady (Blondel Clough?) was really concerned about very essential EU funding being lost after 2019 Brexit & it will be imperative UK to step forward to replace their EU funding loss.
Due to the devastation on the island , funding support is now even more imperative.

Apparently St Martin is also classed as EU French as you say and most of Anguilla supplies , fuel etc comes via St Martin and there is grave concern for the island following Brexit, Border ImportationTariffs etc etc

Yet again another fine mess!

Gradually the real can o worms are being exposed.

Hamish100

Fionan

Did read your comment over who you boycot.

That’s why I responded to your very picky good bad approach to countries. Merely pointed out that exploitation also happens here.

China Thailand Bali and Korea. North or south?you choose

Why no African countries! Middle East? South America! Russia?

Remember now never to use the new bridge full of Chinese steel.

Tackety Beets

Cearc @ 12.07 am

Cheers & thank you, I was scribing on iPad at same time.

Now you tell me they didnae get t vote FFS ….. WM at its effin best …. “Aww what does it matter what they think ! ”

Sorry been a bit off grid & as above, sometimes get a bit scunnered reading every post when it’s a bit techy with some best no mentioned.

Anyone point me to a link with Craig Murray’s actual Sky Interview or what he said etc curious to catch up on it.

As fur ye Ronnie yea crack me up … Smiley fing !

Ian Brotherhood

🙂

ronnie anderson

@ Tackety Beets Am the ronnie wie the sma r , the ither Ronnie’s fae Aberdeen as fur the crack’s paper ower them mind dont uas wan o they shitty papers lol .

Liz g

Hamish 100 @ 12.11
That’s no very fair and no very nice of you Hamish 100.
Fionan posted about a stand she has taken about one of the many horrible abuses that take place around this planet.
And just because she can’t end all of it…. doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t do something!
That “something” also includes raising awareness of the issue.
We are ultimately discussing how to shape Scotland going forward…are we no ?
So I would have said that we (Scots) do need informed about any and all things that other countries are up to… wouldn’t you?
I could think of a much stupid-er thing to be gettin upset about….and I know …. to my cost you can too.

Meg merrilees

Ghillie and
For anyone who missed it today at FMQ’s

Nicola’s rallying call:

The message that I want to send out to people here at home, to people elsewhere in the UK and people internationally … is:

Scotland is the best place in the world to grow up in and be educated,
Scotland is the best place in the world to be cared for if you are sick or vulnerable or in need,
Scotland is the best place in the world to grow old in
and it’s the best place in the world because of our investment in infrastructure, in digital and in business support to invest and do business in as well.
That’s the message I want to send to the world about Scotland and all of us need to make sure we do everything that is necessary to deliver that kind of world class nation.

colin alexander

@Robert Peffers

Re the SNP: Why is party policy decided by delegates? Why not “one member = one vote”, you know, like real democracy?

Is that too democratic for the SNP leadership?

Meg merrilees

Great front page on the National today…

link to twitter.com

Meg merrilees

Nicola’s rallying call at today’s FMQ’s:

The message that I want to send out to people here at home, to people elsewhere in the UK and people internationally … is:

Scotland is the best place in the world to grow up in and be educated,
Scotland is the best place in the world to be cared for if you are sick or vulnerable or in need,
Scotland is the best place in the world to grow old in
and it’s the best place in the world because of our investment in infrastructure, in digital and in business support to invest and do business in as well.
That’s the message I want to send to the world about Scotland and all of us need to make sure we do everything that is necessary to deliver that kind of world class nation.

Meg merrilees

Sorry my mistake- getting impatient in my dotage

cearc

Tackety boots

I think Anguilla might be wanting to change their constitutional status, especially now.

France and Netherlands are already there and dealing with St.Martin/St.Maarten whilst the trust brits are sending – (from the Guardian} –

‘… HMS Ocean, carrying at least three helicopters, which will take 10 to 14 days to reach the area, and hundreds of marines and royal engineers who will be sent in RAF transport planes…’

I am sure the inhabitants will be delighted to know that they’re on their way, the delights of being an afterthought of the brit Empire.

yesindyref2

@cearc
I know what you mean, just something else to have to worry about!

yesindyref2

OT
What I really like about our Kevin is he states something done by “zoomers” which probably doesn’t happen, then posts a link to support his claim which shows he didn’t read and doesn’t understand what he linked to.

link to twitter.com

Look at the flowdiagrem, and the “subtle” difference between non-euro area members for the EDP, and the euro members for the EDP.

link to ec.europa.eu

I guess he didn’t “notice”, especially the “sanctions” box for euro members which ain’t there for non-euro members. He’s one of our greatest assets because people actually quote him, and have him in the papers and on TV.

Murphy is right, he’s best left alone to do his thing for us. Just the occasional bear prod, and away he goes, biting his own tail.

We’re going to need more sterile dressings.

yesindyref2

Suitable comment appended to the Speccie blog article 🙂 Upvotes would bring it to the top, only 9 needed.

Nana

Morning all. As I’ve been out of the loop I’m unsure what articles have already been posted.

Links

link to news.gov.scot

link to holyrood.com

link to insider.co.uk

link to grumpyscottishman.wordpress.com

Nana

The UK Gov’s Brexit Bill lays bare the betrayal of devolved administrations at risk of a Tory power grab
link to twitter.com

link to opendemocracy.net

Theresa May Accused Of ‘Rigging Parliament’ With New Move To Give Tories Majority On Legislation
link to archive.is

link to cityam.com

schrodingers cat

Alex Salmond: Scotland joining EFTA should be on next indyref ballot

good

Liz Rannoch

Very happy to see you back Nana, really missed the links.

Take care of you. The effort you (and Smallaxe) put into this is incredible and I know it’s well appreciated by the rest of the wingers.

Now – the links – lots of lovely links.

Nana

Morning Liz, here’a another one for you

Alex Salmond calls for Scotland to be in free trade area to escape ‘full English Brexit’
link to archive.is

yesindyref2

@Nana: “As I’ve been out of the loop

Are you trying to imply the rest of us are loopy? Well, speaking for myself to myself, ummm, perhaps 🙂

@cat
Salmond and Sturgeon both being at the BfS dinner is likely quite siginifcant, as is Salmond’s take on EFTA (+EEA) membership to keep iScotland in the single market but not necessarily stay in the customs union, depending on what the rUK does – getting rid of that Solway-Tweed border.

Seems to me that Sturgeon even though leader of the SNP is constrained to act as the FM and follow the Scottish Gvoernment’s line on the single market, which could be different from the SNP line (basically EU), strangely enough.

Salmond isn’t even an MP now, “just” an ordinary member, and can use this to great advantage. He doesn’t speak for the SNP so the party is not committed to his line, and so he can explore far more what some of the membership, and the wider YES movement might want, and test the reactions.

He can also of course be a stirrer, which done wisely stops the unionist porridge from getting lumpy. Soak your oats overnight with a little salt and then sugar to taste with milk if preferred. Yes, he can milk that for all he’s worth. Which is a lot, frankly.

Ken500

New SNP policies are decided by a show of hands at the packed overflowing Party Conferences by the delegates sent from the constituency Party, who are told by the members how the majority of the branches members. Any member can attend.

Not autocratic like many political Parties who go to War on the wishes of a crook. Or starve the poor, their own citizens against UN human rights legislation. Break the Law and do not enforce the Law. Lie, cheat and commit crime and get away with it. They haven’t go enough members to stand competent candidates. Even after ten years of minority Gov on a rigged electoral system the SNP stilll win landslide victories. The Tories just lost their majority and have to rely on racists and bigots as candidates.

Anyone can see the difference,. That’s why hardly anyone will join unionist Parties, especially in Scotland, where there is credible alternative. People who are worried about their communities and their economy. Spend 10 hours+ a year at meeting, donate and deliver a few leaflets. Instead of rely on illegal black money to kill people. Unionist Politican getting away with murder.

The false, fake May concern about the poorer and lower paid is just nauseating. It makes people sick. May is targeting the sick and disabled,children etc. Making appalling decisions which affect people’s lives. Especially women and children who are being deliberately targeted for Tory cuts on the poorer and the tax cuts for the rich. The wealthiest wealth has increased 10 fold since 2010. Including multimillionaire May picking up £Millions in benefits. Multimillionaires collecting £Millions in public subsidies.

Before 2010 £600Billion was being raised in the UK in tax revenues. Now seven years later £533Billion is being raised because of Tory tax cuts, especially for the wealthiest. £67Billion less in the UK.

In Scotland the tax revenues has gone up £4Billion a year in the last two years. Now £58Billion a year. Pro rata more than the rest of the UK. The rest of the UK raises £44.5Billion pro ear and borrows and spends £100Billion more. £50Billion on the public sector, £50Billion on the private.

Scotland loses £20Billion because of Westminster mismanagement. £4Billion in Oil revenues because of Westminster illegally high taxes. 40% since Jan 2016. £3Billion? tax evasion, £Billions in loan repayments on money not borrowed or spent in Scotland, £1Billion Trident, £1Billion lost no minimum pricing, Scotland can’t borrow to invest in the economy. £BillionS lost in EU renewable grants, investment CAP payments because of Westminster decisions and indecision. Mismanagement. Total over £20Billion. Westminster has taken £Billions out of Scotland. Lied about it and squandered it.

Fracked Gas from the US is being imported and Gas from Norway. £Billions wasted on HS2, Hinkley Point and Trident. A total waste of money. It is the rail services in the North of England and Scotland which should be invested in to make rail journeys quicker. Journeys in the North of England and Scotland can take twice as long because of years of lack of investment (pro rata). The Scottish Gov are making investment in the railways. Westminster refused permission to take the rail services into public ownership in Scotland.

The cuts in military vessels/spending might mean the Scottish Gov has more to invest in building ferries, supply boats, turbines and liners in the Ckyde. They are already upinvesting in major infrastructure projects to aid the economy.

Westminster Illegal wars, financial fraud and tax evasion. £Trns in debt. Westminster/US has cause the worst migrate crisis in Europe since 11WW. Other European country’s have to pick up the pieces, costing £Trns. The EU has to deal with it.

Now Brexit. The Tories trying to ruin the world economy again. May suppressing reports and fiddling the figures. Westminster are mainly a bunch of liars. Never has their been a bigger slavering, ignorant, incompetent than Davis. He lies so much he is red in the face and can’t even face the cameras. May is a dangerous psychopath. False and fake. It is nauseating. Fallon wants to start a war with Russia. Johnston is a public disgrace an embarrassment. Even criminal Murdoch, dismissed him as a liar. A criminal. Raised on EU money. Farague has been funding a Political Party on public money for years. Not declaring accounts. Illegal. Embezzling EU money.

Criminals breaking the Law. Breaking International Law and Human rights. If the GE had been held a month later the Tories would have lost. Now on their way out. If the Treasury accounting system was used in public/private practice. It would be declared fraudulent and illegal. They get away with it.

Tesco directors where fiddling the books. Taking £Millions in salaries They paid a fine and got away with it. More public money embezzlement. People are prosecuted by Tesco. BT wasted £Billions on an illegal Italian subsidy did not carry out exclusive broadband contracts efficiently. They were fined. Receiving £Billions of public money. Monopoly contracts.

Vote SNP/SNP. Vote for Independence. Unionist councils will not put up Council tax for the wealthiest who have done well out of Tory tax cuts. It is an ask when many of them spend and waste so much on useless grotesque monstrosities. No one wants. Cutting spending on education and essential services. The exact oppositee of what was intended.

Another fine mess Westminster has got into. Par for the course. Destroying the world economy. Vote SNP/SNP. Vote for Independence to take a better course. Like most European countries.

Donate to Craig Murray. Don’t like him slagging off the SNP and very publicly denouncing his membership but anything against the Daily Mail. You find out who your friends are?

heedtracker

Great to see you back with so much info Nana. Like New York Times new Forth Bridge excellent report, who have very bizarrely got the Guardian, Scotland and their “pride.” Not exactly the actual tone that that crew goes about its Scotland region reportage with, certainly not on the new bridge either.

“Still, as The Guardian newspaper noted with pride, “The Firth of Forth will be one of the few major waterways in the world spanned by bridges built in three consecutive centuries.” (The Forth Road Bridge was opened by the queen in 1964, while the Forth Rail Bridge, a wonder of the Victorian age, was constructed beginning in 1883.)”

Nana

@yesindyref2

I admit to being loopy some of the time, have to be reading some of the stuff I come across, lol

Need to put tissues on my shopping list

link to archive.is

McDuff

Rock 11.21
Spot on.

They will be swapping cake recipes next.
And I have a message for Alex Salmond, I am not interested in EFTA at the moment I want independence first then we can talk about EFTA and membership of the EU.
Independence is getting lost in the fog.

Nana

Morning Heedtracker

something else you won’t see in the guardian

ShashiTharoor on British Empire and India.
Video here
link to twitter.com

Part 1 of a new investigation into the resurgence of Nazis, commencing with a global overview. J J Patrick writes
link to byline.com

Highland Wifie

Great links thank you Nana.
The one on Tory MPs using taxpayers money to fund the European Research Group(ERG) made me sit up. After watching MP Suella Fernandes squirming on Channel 4 news last night under questioning about why they will not reveal who is on the group despite using taxpayers money to fund them, I was grateful for the information.
The way this group are operating shows the casual disregard the tories have for democracy and the way in which they think it’s ok to use our money to further their own ends. Disgusts me.

Marie Clark

Welcome back Nana and thank you for the links. Need to go and get a cup of tea and take time to read them.

Smallaxe held the fort for you in great stile, but I understand that he’s not too well at the moment. I hope that he’ll be well enough to came back to us soon.

heedtracker

something else you won’t see in the guardian

Wow Nana, that’s a staggering summation of India the British Colony, combined with Nic Robison’s BBC r4 vote tory Today show right now. We are lied to by the beeb in particular on an colossal and industrial scale. For good tory reason though. Where has 5 decades of not Scots oil and gas revenue gone, for UKOK example.

Petra

Thanks for the links Nana. Just finished reading through them to find that many cover the sneaky tricks (ERC money / rigging Patliament etc) being employed by T May and the Brexiteers to further undermine democracy. There’s no holds barred with them. Brazen or what! The Kevin Hague link is a must read and Peter Grant’s final comments are brilliant “I’ll give the Minister one red line from the Sovereign people of Scotland. Our Sovereignty is not for sale. It’s not for sale today, at any time in the future or at any price.”

Meanwhile the BBC continues to promote UK coastal holidays, LOL. Morecambe today. Taking up the best part of the news / Breakfast programme. A sign of things to come when we can’t afford to go abroad and no one from abroad wants to visit England.

BBC Scotland (with the girl with the sing-song voice) starts with the usual Scottish doom and gloom figures of the rise in the numbers of Scottish children being reported to the PF re. sexual offences, followed by Wendy Alexander talking about some civil servants at Whitehall not wanting to devolve powers to the Scottish Parliament 20 years ago, a Rosythe shipbuilding con and a notice of the phone in at 9:00am to discuss 20% of Scottish teachers planning to leave the profession. You couldnae make it up.

Les Wilson

Spain/Catalonia

“Spain’s constitutional court has previously ruled that a referendum can only be called with the approval of the central authorities. But Puigdemont’s pro-independence coalition claims that the universal right to self-determination overrules Spain’s laws.”

Maybe food for thought, for us.

Brian Powell

Petra

I wonder where those 20% of teachers are going to go? Did they say? With Brexit coming there are only so many middle-class alternative jobs to go to.

Nana

Good morning Highland Wifie, I avoid the tv news [bad for my BP] but it doesn’t surprise me the Tory didn’t reveal who these people are. Goodness me imagine the voters wanting to know where their money is going, how dare we ask. Tory dictatorship in the making.

Morning Marie,
Smallaxe was taken into hospital for a transfusion. However he tells me he has escaped so hopefully back with us soon.

Petra

So Nana the links go on. Brilliant! Ruth Davidson has done more U-turns on Brexit than a corkscrew. From being catastrophic, to supporting May’s Brexit, to condemning it / her last week to supporting May again.

And the Shashi Tharoor video is fantastic. Maybe we should invite him to Scotland? I just loved the look of consternation on the questioners face. Indian chap? Reminding me that it’s not just Scots that have been conned by Westminster. They’ve managed to cultivate mushrooms all over the world including brainwashing everyone with the Great Churchillian myth.

Dave McEwan Hill

colin alexander at 12.57 am

What a completely silly post. So parliaments into which we elect our chosen representatives to take decisions are not “real democracy.”

The SNP, of course,are the only party to have adopted OMOV which means that every member gets to vote for which candidates we choose.

wull2

New people, don’t worry about spelling in your post, this is not a classroom run by bullies, we leave correctness to the so called professionals in the media to tell us half truths, lies and where to put our commas.
I would rather get you views.
This was brought to you by a YES supporter.

Craig Murray

May I think here the many hundreds of Wings supporters who have donated to my defence fund? I am really touched. We have £63,000 so far, which will enable me to fund a proper defence effort in court. If any Winger down South can be at the High Court in London on 7 November, because I doubt we will see a fair report of what happens from the BBC or Guardian…

Petra

@ Brian at 8:55am ….. “I wonder where those 20% of teachers are going to go? Did they say?”

No mention Brian. Just a quick notice of the phone in. It may even include teachers due to retire. I don’t know. All I do know is that it’s a constant drip, drip, drip of bad news for Scotland to the point that someone (Professor John Robertson and medical colleagues?) should carry out some research to ascertain how this (BBC, STV) impacts on people’s mental health. Carry out some type of brain monitoring of the person before, during and after watching the news and then when the results are revealed we could all sue them, LOL.

Ken500

London has hundred of Bridges metres apart. Canary Wharf and Tilbury Docks etc All build on embezzled non declared, Oil revenues. ‘Loads of money’ Bankers. A false economy. Banking leverage cut from 25% (worldwide) to 13%. Lack of capital reserves. Libor affecting the world economy being manipulated illegally by King and Darling etc and covered up.

Scotland’s Block Grant was cut and the economy scorched by the Tories and Thatcher. Unemployment and poverty was much higher in Scotland. Neil made broadcasts and reports about people in Scotland implying feckless, drunken and lazy. Lack of productivity. Made it up. Still available, Thatcher and her cronies lied about it. Still at it.

Scottish invention shaped the modern world. Glasgow an engineering power house. Edinburgh the seat of worldwide education and medicine. A financial centre. Scotland one of the first countries to have an tertiary education system. Scottish invention shaped the modern world. TV, wireless, telecommunication. Led into the internet. Advances in science and medicine. The ‘enlightenment’ philosophers shaped the modern world.

Thank goodness for the SNP Gov standing up fur Scotland, Dread to think what Scotland would be like without them.

Alex Salmond did more for the NE in five years than the Unionists did in fifty. The AWPR waited for over thirty years, the harbour expansion, the wind turbine project in the Bay, the expansion of the airport, the golf/sporting projects. All down to Alex Salmond. Will ye no come back again. 6000 voters did not turn out. It was raining? Voters remorse. They should turn out the next time Some people never learn.

Wait until the Tory voters rural schools are shut. Their services cut, because the unionist council (millionaire landowners) will not put up the Council tax for the wealthiest who have done well out of Tory tax cuts. The unionists sat and watched while £Billions of Oil revenues went south and the NE was underfunded. No capital payment, despite growth. The only City in Europe without a by pass road, Chronic traffic chaos, damaging the economy. The unionists did managed to get investment in the overnight steeper, To benefit their first class public money funded journeys. Useless incompetents.

Labour dominated Cosla underfunded the NE councils. 30% less of all other councils for over thirty years. The SNP have tried to equal it year by year. The unionists have overspent on grotesque monstrosity. No one wanted. Muse £200Million. £300Million on a white elephant conference centre. Subsisted with public money. The present one £26Million used on average once a month. Shut the Art Gallery and venues for years, £5Million+ for a hub to store paintings. They are rearranging council meetings for two job Tories, to keep them in power. A LibDem became an Independent to facitate a unionist council. Despite the SNP being the biggest Party which governs with efficient and competence given the opportunity. In LibDem coalition before. After Labour left the City in £Billions of debt, That was sorted out. Now they have done it again. £1,2Billion+ Dishonesty.

Multimillionaire farmers politicans getting £hundred/thousands in non declared subsidies. Enough is never enough. Pleading poverty. Getting in on the list. Taking CAP payments from poorer farmers, Cutting education and essential service. Millionaire fishermen who overfished the seas. They would not use bigger nets and threw back dead fish for years.. Lying about subsidies. Pleading poverty. Giving false figures.The major markets are in the EU. The workers come from the EU/world.

Youngsters do not want to go into fishing because of the poor conditions. They would rather go to the Oil and other industry.Rigs and supply boats for more regular time off. When the Euro went down they were bailed out with public money. Fish market expansion with EU Grants. Exclusuve fishing rights wil gain £200Million. When mutual agreements can easily be made, with more Scottish representation. Scotland will lose £8Billion coming out of the EU. Much more.

Blaming the SNP for 40 years of unionist policies, The SNP actually disagreed. Scottish Gov 2000. Minority SNP Gov 2007. The Scottish Gov should publish the CAP payments made in the interest of transparency. Many farmers and fishermen, the enlightened ones, support the SNP and donate, They want to regenerate and improve their industry with innovation. Worth £Billions in Scotland. Food and drink industry bring in £Billions to Scotland.

heedtracker

Ofcourse he is. You’d think WW2 taught nazis in Germany, UK, US, some fundamentals.

Graun

Nigel Farage

Nigel Farage to address far-right rally in Germany

Former Ukip leader was invited to speak at event held by AfD party by the granddaughter of Hitler’s finance minister
MEP and former UKIP leader, Nigel Farage
Farage will address the rally in a renaissance fortress in Berlin. Photograph: Daniel Leal-Olivas/AFP/Getty Images

Philip Oltermann in Berlin
@philipoltermann
Thursday 7 September 2017 16.34 BST

Robert Peffers

@ronnie anderson says: 8 September, 2017 at 12:05 am:

“I whole heartedly agree with your sentiments , with the exception to the Republic part of your post that i fear will take a bit longer 15/20 yrs longer . It will take roughly 10 yrs for Scotland & the People to adjust to Independence & i hope we have a stable SNP gov during those years.

Ah! Ronnie, There is actually no disagreement between us. As Einstein’s theory of relativity states time is relative and when you get to my age, and you still have a good memory, 10 years is a relatively short period of time.

However, I don’t think it will be as long as 10 years when you have removed such as the BBC and the other anti-Scottish mass media from the equation.

Just as an example Radio Jockland ,this very a.m. has, as its phone-in subject, “A BBC enquiry finds there is a 40% of teachers wishing to leave the teaching profession and what do the phone in victims thinks is the cause of this mass wish to, “Quit the profession”.

For starters a main reason for teachers wanting to bail out is the negativity and abusiveness of the YoonYoonists, the Westminster Establishment propaganda of the anti-Scottish media. In particular the Westminster funded BBC campaigns to rubbish the great work the teachers do on a daily basis that paints the teaching profession, like anything else that is uniquely Scottish.

There is a very similar problem with the SNHS. Nurses, GPs Hospitals, all are portrayed as crap. Even our new Bridge is portrayed by the Westminster Establishment propaganda as crap.

Yet the truth of the matter is that the Scottish Education system, the SNHS, and the Scottish parliament are head and shoulders above their English equivalents.

Not only that but, in spite of the vast majority of the people of Scotland finding that the Scottish versions of these professions are really wonderful and efficient services the propaganda shite sticks and the people in the Scottish services feel under-valued, under-paid and under-appreciated.

The truth and the myth are two quite different matters.

Garry and Hayley are giving Scotland’s teachers the BBC’s Westminster mantra of, “Scotland is shite”, big licks as I type this.

The ultimate truth is that the only really shite, “uniquely Scottish”, version of a United Kingdom profession is the BBC and other Scottish medias.

Meg merrilees

Craig Murray

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

Haudfast.

Nana

@Petra

Shashi Tharoor is very impressive, gets the facts and figures out in a no nonsense fashion. Doesn’t beat his chest about past atrocities, just makes his points calmly. I like him.

Cultivating mushrooms [I like it] has been an effective tool for the establishment, muckspreading all around the world. The internet has put a spoke in their barrow wheel and that’s why they want control over what we see. link to archive.is

Nana

One more link for now

link to taxresearch.org.uk

heedtracker

link to en.m.wikipedia.org

Vile sep facebook meme doing the rounds, in conjunction with planet toryboy’s Great Repeal Bill. This really could be the end of Scottish devo completely, for a generation.

UDI trigger finger twitchy:D

Capella

Great links Nana – glad you’re back It’s taken me an hour already to get through the first few.

@ Craig Murray – glad the fund is rising quickly. It’s scandalous that our bloggers are under attack in this very British way.

Nana

Read about Defiaye last evening. Just awful

link to randompublicjournal.com

Breastplate

I wish you all the best Craig and I am happy, like many others, to share your financial burden in this matter.

Ken500

The 40% of teachers lies. When teachers are surveyed they love their job. Surveyed of 5,000 teachers where and how? In Scotland they are better qualified and better paid. Now to be increased. Soon?

The majority of teachers love their jobs. Most teachers are brilliant at their jobs. They want bureaucratic changes. They are coming. Go into any school they are really well run with dedicated teachers, Totally concerned for the pupils welfare. Teachers get no additional needs training. Should be put in place in training. It is changing. The unionist/journalists forget parents visit schools and grandparents pick up their grandchildren. They see what is going on. Unlike the out of touch unionist/journalists. Same with the NHS. People use it every day. They know and value how good it can be, There can be improvements. Being implemented.

Teaching colleges/uni are never short of applications. It was a once a joke when few applicants got through. If you could speak Gaelic and play the piano you were through. That was when the unionists were in charge. They are now refusing to put up council tax for wealthiest who have done well out of Tory tax cuts overall. They are cutting education and essential services. Blowing money on grotesque projects. No one wants. Then pleading poverty. Just to cause more trouble. It is often at unionist council level the changes are not being carried out and brought about, Deliberately? Or just useless.

Conan the Librarian

Found this on Munguin’s:

link to randompublicjournal.com

Tinto Chiel

Nana: good to see you back but caa canny.

Have booked you into the St Andrew’s Halls next week again for your world-famous rendition of The Goldberg Variations.

I’ll bring my kazoo.

Hallo too to budwiser. Just because folk don’t reply doesn’t mean they ignore you, as some have said.

Well, that’s what I tell myself anyway…

You get used to it.

Graeme

Good luck Craig

Nana

Good morning Capella, remember you can always save a few for dull days. Besides reading links keeps you from tackling the ironing pile. This I know from experience, lol and I’m always on the lookout for volunteers.
Don’t all rush at once!

ronnie anderson

from Nana’s link 8.02

(At the age of 38, she has an “intellectual curiosity” ) Ruth Davidson if thats what passes as a intellectual im applying for Mensa membership .

Nice to see U back Nana , if your speaking with Smallaxe give him my regards . X

heedtracker

Nana says:
8 September, 2017 at 9:39 am
One more link for now

That’s another staggering blog bookmarked Nana. Thanks!

link to taxresearch.org.uk

“What worries me is that unionists might think that what Kevin has to say has merit when firstly it ignores the technical accounting and economic flaws of GERS and secondly places emphasis on dogma rather than anything to do with decision making on the future economic policy that any Scottish government, including a unionist led one if that were to happen, would have to make.

And that’s what’s really worrying about his position and the enthusiasm some show for publishing it. What it denies is the ability of Scottish people, of whatever their political persuasion, to decide.”

Nana

Morning Tinto, I’m doing my exercises right now. You’d better have a lot of puff as I’m counting on you to carry my instruments of torture.

Capella

@ Nana – that Sashi Tharoor video is a cracker. Looks like I’m going to have to order another book from amazon. Here’s the link again for anyone who missed it – 7 mins:
link to twitter.com

Brightens up an otherwise dull and rainy day.

Nana

Morning Ronnie, will do. He’s got his orders to take it easy or else.

ronnie anderson

Re Bell Pottinger ( HoL ) 7 Sept PR companies are only removed from the register of lobbyists if they stop lobbying . Like all Bills/Acts/Laws passing through Westminster , they have inbuilt Loopholes.

Ken500

Stop listening /viewing the BBC or any others that offend. No listeners/viewer. No programmes. Simple. Check out, then check out. Stop scratching the sore. Get rid of SKy. Hit them in the pocket. No revenues. A new media is/will emerge. Or use the internet.

Useless incompetent journalists can’t google a few facts. It takes 10mins. Lazy, incompetent, useless or deliberate. An alternative is developing. To counter the lies. The National, SNP etc. Westmibster will not get away with it. The Tories are on the way out. Soon will be gone after all the hurt they have done. Scotland is taking another path. FFA/Independence. Just keep on voting SNP/SNP. Vote for Independence. There is a better way. After years of lies and incompetence.

Ken500

Bell Pottinger are bankrupt, No one will buy them/take over Lost all their customers. No revenues. Lord Bell. Thatcher’s mate. Unelected Rothschild formulated the Poll tax. Brought the Tories down.

On the internet, Google it.

Alba 46

Todays National highlights that the English treasury will get another 900 million barrels of oil taxes if oil companies can improve their operations.That should please all the no voters. This is what happens when you sub contract Scottish democracy to a foreign government.

For Gods sake wake up Scotland!

Nana

@Capella

Inglorious Empire / What the British Did to India £14.91 on ebay
£17.00 on Amazon

Capella

@ Conan the Librarian – another great link with such a sad story and a scary 7 min video at the end. Shows the cruel nature of far right British nationalism and American nazism.

link to randompublicjournal.com

Will never get the ironing done today at this rate.

Undeadshuan

@Ken500
Not all teachers are happy in their place of work.

This is down to lack of support due to poor school management by head teachers and needs to be addressed.
Just like management of nhs boards.

Ken500

Ash? A barrister has offered Craig Murray support. Won other cases. Check out the website. Donate

schrodingers cat

link to wingsoverscotland.com

schrodingers cat says:
30 August, 2017 at 2:17 pm
the eu has already said that an indy scotland would need to apply as a new nation under article 49.

in practice, scotland would be accepted very very quickly, (nb. there isnt a cue) but may still need a 2 year period in the trm before being accepted.

scotland is leaving the eu eitherway
best we can do is to tie efta/eea membership to a yes vote in indyref2 with the promise of another euref once independent.

nb, only 3 options required on euref ballot paper.
1. status quo, (remain as efta/eea member)
2. swedish type eu membership, ie keep our own currency
3. full eu membership and adopt the euro.
regardless of which, eu membership is a decision for after we are independent.
focus on indyref2 for now

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Robert J. Sutherland says:
30 August, 2017 at 2:53 pm
schrodingers cat @ 14:17,
There you go again. The EU situation is still developing, with who knows what solutions that may be offered to keep an independent Scotland on board, and here you are back once again peddling your hoary old EEA/EFTA line. For someone who claimed to be in the SNP, you don’t seem to have any notion that the party’s affirmed policy is for Scotland to be in – and stay in – the EU. Period.
It’s this kind of wanton kite-flying from people in the SNP whose only effect is to make ordinary people confused and demoralised. Mixed messages that just have to stop.
Please stop selling a future, and dubious multi-question referenda of your own devising, that may never happen and instead focus on the bloody day job. An independence referendum. No more, no less.
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Today salmond called for efta to be part of indyref2, (google it robert)

There he goes again! peddling his hoary old EEA/EFTA line. Is salmond still claiming to be in the snp? Or doesn’t he have any notion that the party’s affirmed policy is for Scotland to be in – and stay in – the EU. Period.?

Within the SNP, we encourage discussion and these are the current topics

1. We are presently being dragged out of the EU against our will, how do we stop it.
2. when is the best time to hold indyref2, before or after the uk leaves?
3. Regardless of when we hold indyref2, It is clear from the EU that an indy scotland will need to join as a new country under article 49, albeit, a very speedy acceptance would be assured.
4. Do we tie indyref2 into an automatic application by the Scottish Government to
a. Join the eu as full member, including euro
b. Join the eu as a member but without the euro, ie, launch a scottish pound.
c. Join EFTA/EEA membership
d. Join nothing, as seems to be your option

Currently, the prevailing idea is to tie indyref2 to automatic application to EFTA/EEA, as per alex Salmond and others, including myself.
This would leave the requirement for the issue of the EU in an indy scotland being left unsettled and why such a “dubious multi-question referenda of my own devising” may be required at a later date. Such musings are called “focusing on the bloody day job” and I believe, valid topics for discussion on wings

Macart

@Nana

Good to see you Nana. Smallaxe kept us up to speed. Pass on best wishes if you can.

Hoping you’re feeling better yourself. 🙂

Robert Peffers

colin alexander says: 8 September, 2017 at 12:57 am:

“Re the SNP: Why is party policy decided by delegates? Why not “one member = one vote”, you know, like real democracy?”

That above statement is a typical example of Colin Alexander’s idiocy. Colin is rather obviously rather challenged by the English language term, “Delegated”. The poor lad doesn’t know what delegated means. I quote from my on-line dictionary:-


delegate – to entrust, a task or responsibility, to another person, typically one who is less senior than oneself.

To send or authorize (someone) to do something as a representative.

synonyms: authorize, commission, depute, appoint, nominate, mandate, empower, charge, choose, designate, elect

Unlike Colin’s political loyalty to a party that has turned many things to be the reverse of what they really are. the SNP delegates behave as delegates and not as masters who tell the members what they must do and think.

Like the example I quoted yesterday, (the idiotic misuse of the term, “Point of Order”). A delegate must represent those who delegate, “Their delegate”.

Every Unionist Party has their leadership telling their membership what to do while the SNP is the opposite where the rank & file tell their elected representatives what to do.

Colin, and his compatriots, do not understand that they are the slaves and their elected representatives are the masters and that is the exact opposite of how it is supposed to work.

Government is supposed to do what the electorate elect them to do – not for the government to tell the electorate what the government wants them to do.

As I have repeatedly pointed out, under English law, the Westminster Government are legally delegated to represent the Sovereign Monarchy as per the English Kingdom’s, “Glorious Revolution”. i.e The three country Kingdom of England is legally a, “Constitutional Monarchy”, in which the Monarch remains as legally sovereign but legally delegates the monarch’s sovereign powers to the Parliament of England but there has not been an, (elected as such), parliament of England since the last day of April 1707.

Under Scots law the monarch is not legally sovereign and thus the Scottish MPs at Westminster are delegated to do what the electorate tell them to do.

So Colin is in the strange position of claiming to support Scottish independence while believing that the Westminster Parliament is sovereign. You cannot equate the two things together as they are fundamentally opposites.

In fact this is quite clearly stated in the Treaty of Union, in particular in Article of Union No.19:-

“THAT the Court of Session, or Colledge of Justice, do after the Union, and notwithstanding thereof, remain in all time coming within Scotland, as it is now constituted by the Laws of that Kingdom, and with the same Authority and Privileges as before the Union, subject nevertheless to such Regulations for the better Administration of Justice, as shall be made by the Parliament of Great Britain; and that hereafter none shall be named by Her Majesty, or her royal Successors, to be ordinary Lords of Session but such who have served in the Colledge of Justice as Advocates, or principal Clerks of Session for the Space of five Years; or as Writers to the Signet for the Space of ten Years, with this Provision, That no Writer to the Signet be capable to be admitted a Lord of the Session, unless he undergo a private and publick Tryal on the Civil Law, before the Faculty of Advocates and be found by them qualified for the said Office, two Years before he be named to be a Lord of the Session; yet to as the Qualifications made, or to be made, for capacitating Persons to be named ordinary Lords of Session, may be altered by the Parliament of Great Britain. And that the Court of Justiciary do also after the Union, and notwithstanding thereof, remain in all time coming within Scotland, as it is now constituted by the Laws of that Kingdom, and with the same Authority and Privileges as before the Union, subject nevertheless to such Regulations as shall be made by the Parliament of Great Britain, and without Prejudice of other Rights of Justiciary; and that all Admiralty Jurisdictions be under the Lord High Admirall or Commissioners for the Admiralty of Great Britain for the time being, and that the Court of Admiralty now established in Scotland be continued, and that all Reviews, Reductions, or Suspensions of the Sentences in Maritime Cases, competent to the Jurisdiction of that Court, remain in the same Manner after the Union, as now in Scotland, until the Parliament of Great Britain shall make such Regulations and Alterations, as shall be judged expedient for the whole United Kingdom, so as there be always continued in Scotland a Court of Admiralty, such as in England, for Determination of all Maritime Cases relating to private Rights in Scotland competent to the Jurisdiction of the Admiralty Court, subject nevertheless to such Regulations and Alterations as shall be thought proper to be made by the Parliament of Great Britain; and that the Heritable Rights of Admiralty and Vice-Admiralties in Scotland be reserved to the respective Proprietors as Rights of Property, subject nevertheless, as to the Manner of exercising such heritable Rights, to such Regulations and Alterations, as shall be thought proper to be made by the Parliament of Great Britain; and that all other Courts now in being within the Kingdom of Scotland do remain, but subject to Alterations by the Parliament of Great Britain; and that all inferior Courts within the said Limits do remain subordinate, as they are now, to the supreme Courts of Justice within the same, in all time coming; and that no Causes in Scotland be cognoscible by the Courts of Chancery, Queens-Bench, Common-Pleas, or any other Court in Westminster-hall; and that the said Courts, or any other of the like Nature, after the Union, shall have no Power to cognosce, review, or alter the Acts or Sentences of the Judicatures within Scotland, or stop the Execution of the same; and that there be a Court of Exchequer in Scotland after the Union, for deciding Questions concerning the Revenues of Customs and Excises there, having the same Power and Authority in such Cases, as the Court of Exchequer has in England; and that the said Court of Exchequer in Scotland have Power of passing Signatures, Gifts, Tutories, and in other Things, as the Court of Exchequer at present in Scotland hath; and that the Court of Exchequer that now is in Scotland do remain, until a new Court of Exchequer be settled by the Parliament of Great Britain in Scotland after the Union; and that after the Union, the Queen’s Majesty, and her royal Successors, may continue a Privy Council in Scotland, for preserving of publick Peace and Order, until the Parliament of Great Britain shall think fit to alter it, or establish any other effectual method for that end.”

The above is the text of both Acts of Union and is almost word for word the text of the Treaty of Union. Yet Westminster has consistently ignored the Treaty that is essentially its own birth certificate.

Ken500

In surveys most teachers are happy in their job. The want bureaucratic changes. They are coming. There is a surplus of applicants. It is difficult to make the grade. There are shortages and too big class sizes. This is down to local administration. In most cases. Totally. Unionists councils that cut the budget. Spend on other projects. Instead of education and essential services, That is happening in many areas. Build houses without implementing facilities. Schools etc. Voters are ignorant. Voters choices of admistration. Then corrupted,

Dr Jim

We did a survey and that survey said:

And that’s the problem with surveys isn’t it, they all say what the purpose of the survey really wants them to say which is, Some folk are no happy aboot something and they’d rather do something else for more money and less work thank you very much, now let’s have a discussion about the ramifications of the momentous survey and use the inflammatory results of that discussion to create political noise about the waste of time and money survey that we already knew the answer to

Today it’s teachers

Do bin men, what’s the betting the same results appear, or how about picking just any job on the planet to find out if everything’s jolly in everybody’s jobs all the time

The wool used in the pulling over the eyes of the gullible must be the only thing in endless supply, so maybe that’s a good job to be in

Unless the sheep aren’t happy

Fionan

Hamish100 maybe you have some cognitive deficiency then, if you read my comment but still fail to understand the clearly stated reason why I ‘pick’ these specific countries to boycott.

I ‘pick’ these countries to boycott, and not Russia, S.America etc for the simple reason that I have not come across any evidence of the extreme, daily, large scale unspeakable brutality towards people’s beloved family pets stolen specifically for that purpose of sadistic perversions.

Also for our ex-racing greyhounds, a breed which I love dearly and have been involved with for decades due to the welfare issues which are not tackled by the organisations such as SSPCA and police which are supposed to uphold our welfare laws, but fail to do so. Resulting in these sensitive, loving animals being exported to China where no welfare laws apply to any animals including the human animal.

The boycott by myself and many others is simply one of our ways of trying to give a voice to the voiceless in the face of this extreme human sadism. It is sad that so many turn their faces away because they rather hide in their comfortable little bubbles rather than acknowledge the abuse – that very same characteristic of the ‘ProudScotButs’which denied us independence in 2014 and has led us now to the brink of the Brexit disaster.

I take it from your snideness that you are one of these andy capp types who get your kicks from watching the dogs suffer and die on the race tracks, with the survivors and poor racers being sent to Hell in China.

Nonetheless, I and other caring people who are disgusted and distressed at seeing dogs screaming as they are blowtorched for fun and boiled alive just to increase some little dick’s misplaced sense of ‘virility’ may boycott these sickos if we please – we are free to do so.

Meantime you are free to worship some bridge before you toddle off to the bookies to support welfare abuses.

And I am curious as to why my question wasn’t answered re the topic of the post – was Hamish made in China? because if so, I am happy to do without Chris’s book of wonderful cartoons and Hamish. However I fear the lack of an answer means Hamish was indeed made in the Chinese or Korean sweatshops by little children 🙁

I hope our new Scotland will be a kinder and more caring country. ‘the mark of the civilisation of a country and its moral progress lies in the way it treats its animals’ M Ghandi

Nana

Morning Macart

Good to know my apprentice was on the job, I’m sure he will be back soon.

I’m ok Sam, tried to train my wee dug to type [save my wrists] but the muddy paw prints are mighty hard to clean off the keyboard!

This really is the last link for today

link to scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk

Ken500

The SNP is being pragmatic. To find a solution to something not of their making. They usually do. The best for Scotland. That is why they are in power. Keeping in the single market and custom Union with free movement is a diplomatic solution That is what good administrations do. A compromise. It would be easy to regain full membership in the future. Of course the SNP support full membership. The Scottish voters voted for that, but unfortunately they also voted No to Independence. They were lied to by the Tories. It is the Tory mess. Then there can be another vote Indy vote. There is a mandate. The voters can decide.

The situation is still in going. Another IndyRef can still come out of it soon, One step at a time, as it is they will not vote for the Repeal Act. The situation is on going. The Tories could be gone soon. Just sit back and watch the mess unfolding. Keep the heid and stop squabbling. Be prepared.

Ken500

You can get the book without the lion. It is cheaper. Few people will get the lion. Or if there is a problem just donate £60 to a Chinese charity. One of the wealthiest economies in the world. Improving.

gordoz

Well said – @ Ken500 10.48am

Best post on Wings for at least 2 yrs (by anyone).

Doesn’t always need to be so verbose folks – its ruining wings and turning readers off / as is engagement with the persistent troll types. 🙂

Petra

@ Nana at 9:36am ….. “They want control over what we see.”

It’s truly frightening Nana. They want control over what we see whilst planning to gag us at the same time. Reminds me of the three monkeys in reverse – see, hear and speak no truth. More than anything this is, all that’s going on, terrifying because there’s no political party strong enough, or willing enough, at Westminster to do anything about the dramatic and escalating race into the dictatorship pit. Add to that having a MSM that’s suppressing the facts and keeping the Scots in the dark.

Then you read about what’s been going on with DefiAye. Horrendous. Maybe someone should pass the story on to JKR to find out what she makes of it? Anyway sending all my love and best wishes to her. DefiAye that is XX

Thanks for the Richard Murphy link too and thank God for him is all I can say, especially at this time in our history. Does anyone else on here wonder why no one has analysed GERS before now? Not one Scottish economist other than the Cuthberts [as far as I know] and even then not to the same extent. He’s also exposing the Fraser of Allander crew. Big time. If I were them, such as Prof Roy, I’d be hanging my head in shame right now.

I’ve also been trying to get my head around T May planning to use HenryV111 legislation to push through changes undemocratically. How can that work when he and his laws predated the ‘Union’ of 1707? How can they be used in relation to Scotland? Is this legal? Maybe someone like Robert P could enlighten me?

Smallaxe sending all my love and best wishes to you too XX

colin alexander

Scottish Govt: New Social Security Bill “[This] bill creates offences which do not require criminal intent on the part of the accused. It criminalises behaviour or conduct which is careless or negligent rather than intentionally dishonest.

“Additionally the safeguard of a requirement for proof that benefits would have been affected is absent. In our view such an approach… and the level of the potential penalties is unduly punitive”.

The FM forgot to put this bit in the rousing speech, so she could get loud cheers from Ruth The Mooth:

We will further criminalise the poorest and most downtrodden in society, putting the burden on the poor to prove their innocence, with harsher anti-poor people laws than the Tories have in England.

Is this the SNP’s example of how we can be different and “better” in Scotland?

Another sign of an SNP that’s lost touch with the poorer people who voted them into power. Another nail in the coffin of the SNP and unfortunately we were daft enough to put all out indy eggs in the SNP basket.

Macart

@Nana

LOL 😀

Aye. My wee ginger kitten does something similar, though the print left has nothing to do with paws. 😉

heedtracker

Another nail in the coffin of the SNP and unfortunately we were daft enough to put all out indy eggs in the SNP basket.”

That’s a lot better Colin A, good honest anti SNP unionist attack. You dropped your silly pretence, was that so hard?

schrodingers cat

Ken500 says:
The SNP is being pragmatic. To find a solution to something not of their making. They usually do. The best for Scotland. That is why they are in power. Keeping in the single market and custom Union with free movement is a diplomatic solution

——————-

except the question is…
do we tie indyref2 to an automatic application to join EFTA or not?

i say yes, so does salmond.
it is the winning ticket if we get pulled out of the single market as looks very likely at the moment

schrodingers cat

Petra says:
8 September, 2017 at 11:00 am

I’ve also been trying to get my head around T May planning to use HenryV111 legislation to push through changes undemocratically. How can that work when he and his laws predated the ‘Union’ of 1707? How can they be used in relation to Scotland? Is this legal? Maybe someone like Robert P could enlighten me?

can I add to that, the repeal bill covers areas, education, religion, law etc which were devolved by the treaty of the union itself, is this repeal bill over ruling the foundations of the union?

heedtracker

Void of what it means for Holyrood and devo but pretty good attempt to explain,

link to independent.co.uk

jfngw

I see the National has a story about the rise of the .scot domain. What it didn’t mention was how expensive it is compared to the other domains used by UK areas.

.uk £13.19/year
.wales £17.99/year
.scot £49.99

This is using the pricing from one provider but I believe the price difference is similar elsewhere. Be interested why the scot one is to be the most expensive.

Macart

@Petra

RE: Henry VIII clause

Hope this helps.

See Here: link to blogs.lse.ac.uk

and here: link to constitution-unit.com

wull2

Don’t burn yourself out. Just keep the fire burning and it will get bigger by feeding it mow and then, it will soon be out of their control.

Breastplate

Colin, the SNP basket is the only one all the Indy eggs can fit in.
We can all be critical of the SNP (I have on a number of occasions concerning Indyref2 strategy) but your constant nitpicking is extremely irritating and mostly irrelevant to the Indy cause.
Please keep your whinging until after independence, pretty please with sugar on top.

Macart

@Petra

Also this from the National.

link to thenational.scot

Ken500

IndyRef2 stand alone as the mandate. There is no need for complications.

The Tories are tying themselves in knots. Not long now. They could not make a bigger mess. The banking crash and now this. Brexit.

Just hang in just SNP/SNP. Vote for Independence. Scotland is already on a different path. More progressive and prosperous.

Flower of Scotland

@Craig Murray.

I was very happy to contribute to your crowdfunder and wish you all the best.

So that’s the Rev, Andy Whiteman and now Craig Murray. “They” are going after Indy bloggers now. Who next?

Breastplate

Schrödinger’s cat,
I’m a great admirer of Alex Salmond and his more combative nature when it comes to independence and could be quite easily convinced on the merits of EFTA but I personally think that a stand alone Indyref2 with a promise of a further referendum following independence on which particular relationship we have with Europe.
I think then people could galvanise around a Yes vote.

It is my honest opinion and I also accept I could be wrong, whatever gets us over the finishing line works for me.

Vestas

@ jfngw 12:02 pm :

“I see the National has a story about the rise of the .scot domain. What it didn’t mention was how expensive it is compared to the other domains used by UK areas.

.uk £13.19/year
.wales £17.99/year
.scot £49.99

This is using the pricing from one provider but I believe the price difference is similar elsewhere. Be interested why the scot one is to be the most expensive.”

Depends is the answer. I pay £19.99 for a .scot domain with email but no web hosting. I certainly don’t pay £13.19 for .uk domains either – £8.99 was the last bill.

There is still a discrepancy but its nowhere near as large as suggested….

Ken500