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Posted on April 19, 2015 by

Impressive as it is in a party with Jackie Baillie in it, Kezia Dugdale has carved out quite a reputation in Scottish Labour as a specialist in making categorical statements of facts which turn out not to be true. So we were naturally sceptical when she claimed on today’s Sunday Politics Scotland that Stewart Hosie of the SNP hadn’t said whether a commitment to a second independence referendum would be in tomorrow’s SNP manifesto.

We thought that he had, and so did presenter Gordon Brewer, but Dugdale was most adamant – “I listened VERY carefully, very carefully indeed” –  that he’d “dodged and dived” on the matter, and spent more than a minute of her interview saying so.

So we went back and checked, because that’s what we do.

“We are not seeking a mandate for independence at this election. Any future mandate for a referendum, if and when it comes, can only come if the Scottish people demand it. Right now we’re not asking for that.”

Perhaps Kezia Dugdale might like to listen a wee bit MORE carefully next time.


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  1. Blackhack says:

    Seems like the wain’s talking pish again….

  2. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    The question is, who set her up and of course why.

    She obviously never heard it herself once.

    Oh, dearie me.

  3. Morag says:

    She’s a wagon? That’s not very nice….

  4. Hoss Mackintosh says:

    Oh Dear.

    I think her Dad needs to send her another tweet to remind her to stop lying.

  5. Mosstrooper says:

    Whit? Labour getting it wrong , Labour lying?

    That’s it black is white. I’m off tae join a sect of the Cannaebelieveits. Aw naw, noo ma hair has gone white.

  6. Doug Daniel says:

    Bloody SNP politicians, awkwardly refusing to say what Labour WANT them to say. It’s just not on.

  7. Richard Lucas says:

    More of Duncan’s ‘post-truth politics’ that he complains of so bitterly. The wonder now would be if we heard any truth at all from the Unionist parties before the election.

  8. BrianW says:

    If only she spoke as carefully as she listens..

    She should listen to her dad.. check facts before opening your mooth.

  9. Craig Macinnes says:

    I can’t make up my mind whether she’s just thick or just…thick!

  10. heedtracker says:

    Why are the SLabour big beasts like Bliar MacFartbag and blue toryboy MacTernan still sending her into tv studios to make such a fool of herself?

  11. Iron Man says:

    Mawahahaha. Not much else to say about Labour. 🙂

  12. Marie clark says:

    I try and avoid anything dippity dug, I find it’s better that way.It saves shoutin at the telly or the radio, although I see from others comments that I’m not alone in the shoutin department.

    Since the EBC tax was cancelled last September,my blood pressure has improved nae end. I try and keep it that way.

    I think that the dug’s faither needs tae send her anither text aboot checkin facts. He also needs to explain to her that tellin porkies, especially on the telly, is a bad idea. It’s even worse than SNP bad.

    She’ll get sent tae the bad fire fur tellin lies.Noo away and play in the traffic and gie the rest o’ us peace.

  13. Brian Powell says:

    In other countries when politicians tell out and out lies, very often things happen. Responsibility is assigned and they have to answer for it.

    But this is Scotland where the dysfunctional parties of Labour and ConLibs are matched by the dysfunctional DR, Herald, Scotsman and BBC.

  14. Scott Graham says:

    If that doesn’t shut Kezia up I don’t know what will.

  15. Her Dad who is a member of the SNP is politically opposed to her and her politics but he must be worried and frantic at her performances and claims. Any father would worry about his Daughter in these circumstances.

  16. The Rough Bounds says:

    First thing that we do when we get independence is to teach Scots how to speak, read and write in Scots. Until then it might be a good idea of some of the comments posted were simply written in English. Morag has my sympathy.

  17. The Rough Bounds says:


  18. BuckieBraes says:

    So, with the SNP’s position clarified, let’s see about Labour keeping its promise on The Vow. That’s Gordon Brown’s and the Daily Record’s Vow, which Kezia has once again legitimised.

    That’s the cast-iron, three-party unionist Vow, that was going to be delivered when Scotland voted No. That Vow. It wasn’t just a journalistic stunt after all, because Kezia, of the honourable, honest ‘Scottish’ Labour Party, has just legitimised it again.

  19. qwq says:

    First Murphy and Cochrane disappear for a week.
    Then a russian doctor claims to be able to do a head transplant in a 36 hour operation.
    Now this!

  20. Thepnr says:

    Kezia, I’m really sorry that you don’t understand that Labour cannot “keep it’s promise on the vow”. It’s not for Labour to decide.

    Your a fraud Kezia, following in a long line of Labour party frauds and have to be exposed as such. The VOW is probably the biggest fraud ever put across to an electorate, yet you will defend it no matter how it makes you look.

    You won’t want adive from the “likes of me” but I’ll give it anyway. As long as you continue to follow your mentors Murphy and McTernan and their style of political presentation then your personal rating in the eyes of the public will sink as deep as the hole they are digging for you and themselves.

    It may be too late now for you to escape the trap you are in, even so, extricate yourself before it gets even worse.

  21. baronasssamedi says:

    The Big Lie is hard to overcome

  22. If she were a barmaid you’d order your round one drink at a time.

    Best bit today in her car crash performance was to state that Labour would not lose any seats…. FFS

    She makes Iain Gray look normal!

  23. Dave the Squirrel says:

    Look, SNP bad, alright?

    Eat your cereal. Nothing to see here.

  24. neil bruce says:

    Kezia starts digging herself into a hole.

    Labour lapdog Brewer tries to get her to stop.

    She carries on regardless and digs herself in
    even deeper.

    What a shambles Labour are.

  25. Bob Mack says:

    Correct me if I am wrong,but is she not qualified as a lawyer?.I would have thought that would have prepared you to check facts thoroughly prior to running off at the mouth.

  26. bookie from hell says:

    Sky paper review saying Stewart Hosie will block British troops wages if SNP don’t get their way

    I think it’s best if SNP don’t make threats

  27. Stoker says:

    And a cry of PISH went up.

    Deputy Dug is a proven liar as shown time and again on WOS.

    She’s a bigger bum than ten arses, just like her master Murphy.

    Who in their right mind would vote for these red tory turncoats.

    Vote SNP.

  28. Mosstrooper says:

    @ bookie from hell

    Probably even better if we don’t believe what Sky say.

  29. Betty Boop says:

    @ Morag, 10:10pm

    It is a lost cause if the error is not realised. 🙂

    Speaking of errors, the suggestion by Craig MacInnes (10:22pm) that Dugdale might be “just thick” is probably kinder than suggesting she might be a stranger to the truth.

    Whatever, incredibly difficult to give her and her ilk the time of day; too frustrating.

  30. Thomas Valentine says:

    They, who ever that is, say;
    ” a lie can run around the world before the truth can get it’s boots on.”

    Might as well be the motto of the Labour Party (Scottish branch).

  31. Robert Kerr says:


    Too subtle for some.

    I need to be weaned off WoS. Too time consuming!

  32. Still Positive. says:

    Bob Mack @ 10.41.

    Aye she is a lawyer but she IS following the party line to keep her ‘career’ such as it is.

    If I remember correctly she accidentally became a member of the Labour party – not with much conviction. She has also said, if memory serves me well, that she plans to travel in the future. That seems to me that being a MSP is but merely a stopgap until she decides what she wants to do with the rest of her life.

    Absolutely NOT a conviction politician but an opportunist.

  33. G4jeepers says:

    What a frootloop!

  34. Macart says:

    That’s a toughie.

    I don’t know whether that’s an ooft or an oh good grief (again).

    Probably both.

  35. Mealer says:

    I ken,Stu.I ken.Kezia struggles a bit,well a lot really,on the detail.I still think she’s on a par with previous Labour leaders.Now,it’s obvious to everyone that the Murphy Dugdale team has been a complete and utter failure,but I don’t think we should immediately jump to the conclusion that its all Kezias fault.Personally,I think that a Marra Dugdale team would have worked better for Labour.However,they just weren’t prepared to trust Jenny Marra.Jenny said she was in favour of Trident,but the London Labour hierarchy just didn’t believe her commitment to it.

  36. Connor McEwen says:

    Farmer Cameron must love this.Cameron, Statesman of Animal Farm.
    The lassies daein her best.Naive and desperate.
    Cameron,Statesman of the pig sty

  37. Now's the Hour says:

    I really don’t like to label people (honest) but Kezia must be gey thick to think she can spout junk like this when it can so easily be refuted. If my daughter kept making an a*se of herself on national television like this, I’d be having a wee word with her.

    A word of advice, Kez – keep it up! You’re doing a grand job! Every time you bring out stuff like this = another few thousand on the SNP vote and another few Labour seats on the brink. Gaun yersel doll!

  38. Hosie said no such thing.The story in the Telegraph manages to conjecture the “truth” with its own interpretation of the possibilities open to the SNP to have Trident cancelled

  39. Clootie says:

    bookie from hell says:
    19 April, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    Why do you accept that as true?
    It doesn’t sound very likely.

  40. Effijy says:

    Oh dear Deputy Dug!

    You seem unable to speak intelligibly, unable to listen accurately, you cannot think for yourself, can’t problem solve, but you can excessively repeat a script in parrot fashion.

    Congratulations! You have everything required for standing as the next leader of the North British Accounting unit.

    PS When you don’t hear any positive SNP messages on the doorstep,
    are your fingers anywhere near your ears on these visits, or do you just drone on parrot fashion so that people can’t speak?

    Give it up Kaz and go back to Uni and work toward a real job.
    No tuition fees thanks to SNP!

  41. Lesley-Anne says:

    Anyone with the slightest interest in this betting thingy might be interested in what Lord Ashcroft recently tweeted.

    For those who still believe in a Labour overall majority Betfair is at 47/1. Tory overall majority 9/1.

  42. ronnie anderson says:

    There,s stupidity of the mooth ,now stupidity of the lugs, ah think Kezia,s scored ah hat trick cause her nose isnae working either, or she would smell the shite coming oota her mooth.

  43. dakk says:

    Been watching Sky news paper review and apart from the arrogant ignorance of the reviewers,I enjoyed the newspaper headlines bigging up the SNPs intentions(misrepresented Hosie) in Westminster as if its a done deal that they will hold the balance of power.

    I think even some NO voters may be seduced by the attention and empowerment of having a say in governance when the norm is that Scotland doesn’t even appear on the radar.

  44. manandboy says:

    I refuse to believe that Kezia Dugdale is worth listening to – at any time. Her value arises from being part of McTernans’ team and doing what she’s told – after rehearsals, which boils down to giving Jim Murphy a break at week-ends. If KD is a key part of the Unionist GE strategy, then McTernan has died for he doesn’t suffer fools gladly, and this lady is one mega-fool.

    The real action is elsewhere, in the invisible world of postal vote rigging. The deadline for postal vote application form with your local authority is 5pm on Tuesday 21 April.
    Interestingly, if there isn’t time for you to return a postal voting application form by post you can deliver it by hand or send a scan of the completed and signed form via email.

    Doubtless, some ‘heavy hitters’ will make regular appearances on her Majesty’s propaganda mouthpiece, the BBC, just as prior to Indy, but the impact on the pensioners and immigrants ought to be less this time, and certainly a little less predictable. It will be worth comparing the period available for Postal Voting with the level of activity in the Media.

    It is worth noting that postal voters get a much bigger window of opportunity to vote, than the rest of the electorate. That is significant because fixing a postal vote takes time – a lot longer than one day.

    GE15 will be decided by the numbers of Scottish MP’s for SNP. Scotland is therefore the key battleground. Westminster will be most attentive to the Scottish results, and therefore most attentive to making sure they are the right results for the Unionist Establishment. At that point Ms Dugdale will just be part of the crowd.

    There can be no doubt that GE15 is round two in the battle for who controls Scotland and under what conditions.
    The earthquake rumbles on.

  45. Almannysbunnet says:

    It’s hard to believe that anyone who went to university can come across as this dumb. I have to believe it though as I’ve now seen two of them. Murphy did his 9 years and came out with nothing. She studied law for 4 years at Aberdeen university and graduated LLB Hons. She then did a masters in policy studies at Edinburgh. So Kezia Dugdale LLB Hons, MSc. Amazing. I can only assume that being subject to years of labour propaganda has wiped her memory and destroyed her cognitive functions. She is now in the ideal labour drone state ready to be moulded in Murphy’s image. Poor lassie, she needs an intervention and rescuing.

  46. Lesley-Anne says:

    Bob McCandless says:

    Hosie said no such thing.The story in the Telegraph manages to conjecture the “truth” with its own interpretation of the possibilities open to the SNP to have Trident cancelled

    I’m only going to say one thing in response to this Telegraph lie BM … Francegate anyone?

  47. Croompenstein says:

    Nice to see Stewart Hosie on screen without the ‘SNP Threat’ in the corner.

  48. Phronesis says:

    To verbalise persuasion one needs to convey ethos (taking a stance that is morally worthy),logos (providing proofs in support of arguments) and pathos (appealing to the emotions) . Rhetorical persuasion frames ideologies – a set of meanings through which a group is able to form and sustain itself, creating a group identity- that would be the eclectic enlightenment embodied in the YES movement – the vehicle of delivery is the SNP.
    What are the unionist ideological achievements ? Increasing social and health inequalities,food banks, child poverty, and a drive down on employment rights and wages – a growing precariat majority where the wealth of the richest 100 people in the UK equates to the poorest 30% of all UK households and that ratio is worsening . A political system that represents the 1% and has delivered instability,a financial crash and rewarded 2714 bankers in 2012 with earnings over £1

  49. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Katy ‘Eight-to-One’ Clark must be watching this stuff through her fingers – she had the chance, a year ago, to hook-up with Allan Grogan and get herself out of the SLab kamikaze mission. She would have garnered a lot of support for a refreshed, ‘real’ Labour party prepared to countenance popular pro-Indy sentiment whilst pressing the SNP to commit to some solid socialist policies.

    People who respect Katy – some of whom visit and comment here – urged her to get out. Her defeat at the hands of The Morph was the perfect opportunity. Now? One of the better, more principled UK Labour politicians looks set to be turfed out on her ear, and she’s no-one to blame but herself.

    Staying ‘up’ to witness Donohoe, the Alexander Bros, Curran etc being soundly hoofed in the early hours of May 8th will be joyful. Seeing KC delivering her valedictory will not.

  50. Croompenstein says:

    Since Kezia has come in for some stick today she may well be in the Mail tomorrow with a face like a constipated kipper moaning about cybernats..

  51. Marko says:

    This is driving me up the wall, who made a “promise” that the referendum was a once in a generation thing? Alex Salmond did say, verbatim, “In my opinion, and it is just my opinion, this is a once in a generation opportunity for Scotland.” That sounds to me more like one man’s opinion on the liklihood of something, rather than a promise to hold a nation to.

  52. @bookie from hell

    Which MSM outlet do you trust with integrity?

  53. Onwards says:

    @Mealer says:
    19 April, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    ..Kezia struggles a bit,well a lot really,on the detail.I still think she’s on a par with previous Labour leaders.Now,it’s obvious to everyone that the Murphy Dugdale team has been a complete and utter failure,but I don’t think we should immediately jump to the conclusion that its all Kezias fault..

    I think she is far smarter than Lamont or McConnell, but it’s obvious she is just using her intelligence/lawyer training to spout rapidfire ‘snp-bad’ soundbites, and deflect questions. It’s all very political, partisan and tiring, especially compared to Nicola’s inclusive conversational approach.

    Just think, Kezia could actually be Branch office leader in a few weeks, if Murphy gets the boot.

    If Labour actually found a leader prepared to put Scottish interests first, not just posing about with Irn bru tins and Scotland tops, ranting on about powerless patriotism, then the SNP could have serious opposition.
    But going by Kezia’s performances it would just be business as usual.

  54. Mealer says:

    A wee minding.If anyone on here feels a wee bit uneasy about leafleting in their own vicinity there are plenty opportunities to lend a hand in other areas,near or far.Just put a post on here and somebody will get you started.Great chance to meet new folk in different areas.

  55. JGedd says:

    Just posted on the previous thread and then watched this video of Kezia demonstrating the ability to speak with utter self-conviction what is the opposite of the truth. No tremor of self doubt at all. She didn’t listen carefully, obviously, but on she sails past Brewer’s demurring without betraying a flicker of hesitation.

    In some quarters (MacTernan) this absurd behaviour, to bluff with utter confidence, will be viewed with admiration. They must think that the TV audience has poor listening skills or can be convinced of anything by brazen nerve.

  56. Mealer says:

    Onward 11.32
    When Kezia was at uni there’d be loads of Labourites there at the same time.Just a fraction of the number there now though.

  57. Robert Peffers says:

    @The Rough Bounds says: 19 April, 2015 at 10:27 pm:

    “First thing that we do when we get independence is to teach Scots how to speak, read and write in Scots. Until then it might be a good idea of some of the comments posted were simply written in English. Morag has my sympathy.

    Nah! I was brought up in a wee hamlet of, “Pluchies Raws”, where I never heard English spoken. That is except on the old Battery Wireless and that was hardly ever on except for Scottish language programmes. When I went to the village school I got belted during every lesson for speaking Wir Ain Lallans Leid. I thus still think in Scots.

    I may not be the best English writer on this forum but I’m certainly not the worst. I’m fluent in guid Scots, Scots Standard English and English.

    I have no Gaelic but I most certainly do not blame those, whose first language it is, for my linguistic deficiency. I just wish I had learned their language but I knew no Gaelic speakers and they were even thinner on the ground then than they are today.

    BTW: For my entire time in the education system I continued to make a point of using my own language at least once in every lesson. I would use a Scots word and, without being prompted, walk to the Dominie with my hand outstretched for the application of the Lochgelly Tawse.

    Laughably when the School Magazine was published I always had a Scots poem or story published. In one such Magazine I wrote every poem or article except the several different sports reports. The stories and articles were in different styles and in both Scots and English. None appeared under my own name as I’d written them for friends.

    None of the staff, except one, a Scots born teacher of English, even suspected I had written the lot for others. He was an officer in the School Air Cadet Squadron and I an NCO. We often spoke in Scots but he in the Dundee Doric tune, (dialect), and I in the Lallans. He said one day, “Laddie, yon scrievin micht bi signed bi a’body else bit it haes yer thumbprints a ower it”.

    So we need not teach anyone the Scots Leid but we needs must speak it more often. If they wish to, they will soon be able to understand and speak it.

  58. Naina Tal says:

    Aye, weel pit Robert Peffers

  59. ClanDonald says:

    If a mandate for a referendum isn’t in tomorrow’s manifesto Slab will no doubt insist that this is a promise from he SNP that a second referendum can’t take place at any time during the course of the next Government, i.e. at any time between now and 2020.

    They will insist that this means the SNP will be breaking an election promise if they include a mandate in the 2016 Holyrood manifesto.

  60. Patrician says:

    @Morag, so what is your spelling of the word I spell as wean? I spell it like that as a contraction of wee ane but that is just my opinion of how it should be spelled.

    Ms Dugdale is being put forward for this because Murphy, McDougal and McTernan need a sacrificial offering if the election goes the way the polls are suggesting.

  61. galamcennalath says:

    OT Guardian.

    Sounds like Cameron is having second thoughts about winning last September. I think he wants us to have another referendum.

  62. HandandShrimp says:

    I’m not convinced Kezia has ever learned to listen. Her predecessor Johann used to spell that word t e l l

  63. Lesley-Anne says:


    Lord Ashcroft is certainly pushing the boat out quite hard here folks. First we have the National poll results tomorrow that he tweeted about earlier and now this:

    By Tuesday at the latest another two Scottish seat poll will be completed. Will it show the same trend?

    I’m feeling that we are about to see just a wee smidgin of additional pressure being applied to some political parties. 😉

  64. Robert Peffers says:

    @neil bruce says: 19 April, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    “Kezia starts digging herself into a hole.

    Labour lapdog Brewer tries to get her to stop.

    She carries on regardless and digs herself in
    even deeper.

    What a shambles Labour are.”

    The only reason Labour are not all down in Queensland now is because they are all digging in a circle. The first one is throwing their dirt into the next ones , Err!, excavation and so on right round the circle. It’s a bit like perpetual motion but without the, (Ahem!), motions. (or maybe not).

  65. Iain Gray's Subway Lament says:

    The thing to remember about any possible replacement for Murphy is the farce around replacing Lamont in the first place.

    There will be no calm heads in SLAB on May 8th, it will be utter carnage. What will likely happen is what happened when Lamont went. Recriminations, splits, infighting and a comical absence of people actually willing to become the fall guy/gal yet again. There was a hilarious few days when it looked like NOBODY wanted to be SLAB leader before Murphy finally decided to run.

    Why on earth would anyone in ‘scottish’ Labour want to do the same again for Holyrood in 2016 when will know perfectly well they are being lined up for the precise same treatment Lamont got and Murphy will get? It’s also not as if they will have a massive field of excellent candidates to choose from either. Quite the reverse. 😀

  66. stonefree says:

    @ Ian Brotherhood 11:22 pm
    Is that 8 to 1 to retain the seat( heaven help us)
    I don’t know where this concept of KC the socialist comes from except from her self delusion,
    When I said the Clarkettes that I would be voting SNP , they replied “they don’t have any experience” What the hell was that about
    I was also informed previously that the Scottish NHS was set up in 1998 by the Scottish Labour Party under Dewar This is the nonsense, These arsewipes laugh at you when you correct and inform them the correct information

  67. Patrick Roden says:

    Someone noted on the other Kezia article, that she said we were three and a half weeks away from the Election and that this meant the real campaign starts tomorrow.

    This was an absurd thing to say, as we are very clearly less than three and a half weeks away.

    I think this was a classic Labour Gaffe.

    The script must have been written when we were three and a half weeks away from polling day, and judging the contents, probably for an interview about the terrible polls for Labour, but the Murphy slap Down overtook that situation and Labour went into hiding.

    So the BBC would have wanted Jim Murphy today but got offered Kezia, at the last minute.

    As Kezia and her team were preparing, they must have decided she should just deliver the ‘terrible polling’ script to Brewer today, forgetting to change the ‘three weeks’ line.

    Phwahaha!!! what a shower they are..

    Of course if I’m wrong, they can always let wings know, why the deputy leader of the Labour Party in Scotland, didn’t know how many days and weeks we were away, from the general election.

  68. Roland Smith says:

    Watch this taxi driver on Labour, he is good.

  69. HandandShrimp says:

    I see over on the Groaniard they have article about Dave’s latest anti-Scottish rant. I am not sure how to do the archive thing and am off to bed but it is a cracker.

    A lot of English people commenting that Dave is in the process of breaking up the Union in his desperation to pander to UKIP voters and the Daily Mail (and also lots of less than complimentary observations on his abilities as a PM)

  70. bookie from hell says:

    Jerry haynes x conservative MP

    on 5-live said their will be violence if SNP get in

  71. Lesley-Anne says:

    I read on Twitter that oor Dave, apparently, refused to remain on the sofa when Nicola Stargeon was due on to be interviewed by Marr this morning.

    What a bloody stupid 2 year old child he is! 😀

  72. MoJo says:

    Pride comes before a fall… and Kezia is a classic victim of her own blind ego. It does look like she is being pushed forward as a scapegoat, and showing all the signs of denial of someone who has been flattered into believing all the bulls**t at the expense of any self awareness. She has been exploited by the nasty pieces of work around her in the toxic Scottish branch of the Labour party – but having met her face to face a couple of times and experienced her self centred arrogance first hand I have little sympathy. We don’t need politicians like that in Scotland – we have so many better alternatives. Time to look in the mirror ( or in her case to watch the videos ) and realise the truth of what a fool she is making of herself. She has some growing up to do and some hard lessons to learn and I am sure her parents are well aware of that and will support her to adjust to the evident reality that her future lies outside of politics.

  73. caz-m says:

    Has Kezia Dugdale got a bit of a problem with drugs or other similar substances(glue for instance)?

  74. Jim McIntosh says:


    “That sounds to me more like one man’s opinion on the liklihood of something, rather than a promise to hold a nation to.”

    Totally agree. How come a UK Government can’t pass laws that would bind a future government but one man with an off the cuff remark can apparently bind a country to a pledge for 25 years. What nonsense.

  75. John Moss says:

    Kesia is an embarassment. Thats’ it.

  76. Lesley-Anne says:

    bookie from hell says:

    Jerry haynes x conservative MP

    on 5-live said their will be violence if SNP get in

    I think that is what is called a come and get me statement there bookie. 😉

    Now we know that we do not only have them FEART they are absolutely PETRIFIED. Now we have reached the point where they, i.e. Yories, are threatening US, the Scots, with physical violence if we vote for the S.N.P. Hmm I don’t know about anyone else but this sounds like a challenge to me. I’m thinking we should all take him up on his *ahem* wee challenge and see what hew does.

    If we all vote for the S.N.P. on May 7th and there is no post election violence maybe we should all remind this Tory what he threatened us with and ask him *Cough* outside “fur a wee chat!” 😀

  77. Lesley-Anne says:

    I’ve just done a wee wiki check on oor favourite EX Tory bookie.

    Apparently oor wee Tory is a lawyer practising criminal law! I guess his work load is rather light these days and he is obviously trying to drum up som business. 😀

  78. icyspark says:


    Dave’s latest rant:

  79. Still Positive. says:

    @ Jim McIntosh and Marko: of course it is one man’s opinion.

    But one man who knows that the Scottish people are sovereign which the MSM chooses to ignore no matter how frequently Nicola has stressed this during the last few weeks.

  80. kininvie says:

    Long discussion somewhere on R4 tonight about how party leaders had to be protected from encounters with random members of the public…with clips from bigot-gate & other similar moments.

    Meanwhile we had John Swinney today doing a quick canvass with us. He was given entirely random doors & had several animated conversations with a few ordinary voters, including one conducted from an upstairs window (‘I thought I recognised ye frae somewhere…’)

    Mind you, it was a stroke of luck that he didn’t get the door with the heavily built man naked to the waist, wearing a pair of Union Jack Boxers… but I think he would have coped well, even so.

    I’m very proud of SNP leaders for defying all this bollocks about having to be protected from voters just in case something goes wrong. It is one of the main reasons IMO why Labour & Tories are seen as ‘out of touch’ – and are haemorrageing votes in consequence.

  81. Steve says:

    Kezia Lugfail

  82. K1 says:

    The Guardian article that both galamcennalath and Handandshrimp were referring to wherein Cameron has gone batshit crazy:

    ‘David Cameron will vow on Monday to prevent England, Wales and Northern Ireland from losing out unfairly as a result of Scottish devolution by introducing an annual report detailing the impact of Scottish government decisions on the rest of the UK.’

    As H&S intimated the btl comments are rather refreshing from the point of view that they see exactly what he is doing here; stirring up English nationalism and treating the Scots, as one commenter said ‘as cannon fodder’.

    The general consensus, imv so far, btl unusually is one voice, the mostly I would say English commenters, are disgusted by this move and what it truly represents: A castigation of one part of a so called union by the current PM of that union. This man is not fit to be the PM of this ‘UK’. And that he is hastening the ‘break up of the Union’ with this move.

    Archived: https: //

    Btw…the timing of this on the day SNP reveal their manifesto is of course ‘show stealer’ tory style, the airwaves will no doubt be filled with this as the day progresses.

    He’s overplayed his tawdry little hand with this move.

    Showing their terror big style. Looks like a spectacular backfire is on the way: as it is plain to see the nonsense of the rhetoric of the referendum ‘love bombing’ and of how he didn’t really mean it when he said for us to give “the Tories an effing kicking” instead of voting Yes.

    Turns oot the English will be daein that fir us.

    Which is to our benefit.

  83. Margaret Hay says:

    That lassie doesn`t know whether shes coming or going, she is just totally obsorbed to the fact that Labour is the party the Scottish people should be voting for

  84. geeo says:

    Serious question here.
    Apart from mansion tax paying for almost everything and bankers bonus tax, 50p tax rate and rich pensioners losing winter fuel allowance to pay for the rest, when was the last time labour mentioned ANY other policy ?

    SNP bad….yet have been in charge in Scotland for 8 years now, have massive popularity,massive membership, the most popular political leader in the uk by a country mile,heading for a WM landslide victory in Scotland overturning labour majorities well into 5 figures, and on coarse to have a huge influence in the political direction of the whole Uk, so Kezia Dugdale, the question you are actually asking is the one you know the answer to already.

    SNP bad…for who exactly ?

  85. Shona Gourlay says:

    Thank you Marko. I point out at every opportunity that NO ONE made a PROMISE about “a once in a generation vote on independence” I hate that lie and it gets thrown around a lot, without question!

  86. john king says:

    I think that would be an ecumenical matter surely?

  87. john king says:

    The Rough Bounds says


    fixed that for you. 😉

  88. john king says:

    geeo says
    “SNP bad….yet have been in charge in Scotland for 8 years now, have massive popularity,massive membership,”

    I have a question,
    has anyone done a calculation based on the number of SNP members in Scotland what it would be if it were UK wide,

    Im guessing it be the biggest party by a royal mile. 🙂

  89. caz-m says:

    In Scottish Labour’s world, the election starts, TODAY!. So the best of luck with that one Jim.


    “The feed back we are getting on the doorstep is that the people want change.”

    You better believe Kezia and they are going to get change.

  90. Wulls says:

    BrianW @10.21says:
    19 April, 2015 at 10:21 pm
    If only she spoke as carefully as she listens..

    Problem there is she does. 🙂

  91. caz-m says:

    John King

    Playing catch up John, I read you were not feeling too clever last week, I hope you are feeling a lot better.

    We need a fully fit team for the final push on May 7th.

    Wishing you all the best.

  92. Free Scotland says:

    Kezia, are yer lugs painted on?

  93. Clootie says:

    john king says:
    20 April, 2015 at 6:02 am

    Obviously approaching a Million members on a proportional basis.
    Latest membership estimates from the parties suggest that the Conservative Party has 149,800 members, the Labour Party 190,000 and the Liberal Democrat Party 44,000.

  94. JLT says:

    She’s gone in a years time.

    Kezia’s biggest mistake was to take the position of Deputy; a position so poisoned, thanks to its association of being under the leadership of Murphy, that if Kezia resigned today, it makes you wonder how many other Labour MSP’s would actually touch it.

    And thanks to Murphy, Kezia knows that in a years time, she’ll not just be fighting for her place in the Scottish Parliament; she’ll be fighting for her political career …so tarnished that it is.

    One of Labour’s leading lights …I seriously doubt it now.

  95. Another Expat says:

    If you think Dave in the Guardian is bad, try reading Boris in the Telegraph. Nicola is both King Herod and Lady Macbeth whilst the rest of our soon to be elected representatives are a bunch of voracious weevils.

    Sorry can’t archive – using a mobile phone. But someone will as the morning wears on.

    I met up last week with a friend visiting from England. I got a whole load of the usual – England won’t stand for it, what you people need to realise is etc etc. I said the answer’s easy then, just chuck us out of the union and let us be independent. He went very white, very silent then changed the subject completely.

  96. Clootie says:

    Once in a generation

    Below is the interview with Marr often misquoted. Alex states clearly several times that it is HIS view and only HIS view.

  97. Robert Louis says:

    Watched presenter on the BBC news channel this morning, tell viewers that Full fiscal autonomy for Scotland would mean Scotland losing its “grant” from Westminster.

    And there was me thinking I paid my taxes to Westminster to fund Scotland, turns out, it’s just a “grant” from those loveable ever so generaous Tory rogues at Westminster. Awfully nice of them.

    Is it just gross incompetence by BBC presenters, is it intentional misinformation, or are they really so stupid?

  98. Robert Louis says:

    Just to confirm what others have already pointed out, the SNP NEVER said the referendum was once in a generation. The First Minister said he thought it was a ‘once in a generation thing’.

    The SNP are quite right to state they cannot rule out a further referendum, because to do so would be undemocratic. They respond to the wishes of the Scottish people. If the people want another referendum, no politician should block it – and that includes David Cameron.

    It seems Westminster and its ‘journalists’ don’t really understand democracy.

  99. Louis B Argyll says:


    There is a direct, and greater than ever before, risk to the politics of privelidge.

    Independence would have left Westminster to its own devices…


    Scottish progressives (not the description being moulded through the media) will form part of a “family of ideas”..

    And, like a family discussion, should one member have a notion of right and wrong, which they cannot live without, that would be held up against difficult truths, helping the family to live with it’s decisions… knowing it has strived to be fair.

    Extreme notions of self protection leads to denial of other people’s views, ignoring even family and friends.


  100. Chic McGregor says:

    The lie not picked up by Brewer was the casual “they[the SNP] made a promise to the people of Scotland that there would not be another referendum for a generation”.

    That is not true.

    Alex Salmond, several times, said In his opinion that he personally felt that there should not be another referendum for a generation, but he always qualified that by clearly stating that that was his own personal opinion.

    It was not and is not the ratified position of the SNP.

    I have also wondered whether he ever really believed that or whether it was political expediency. i.e. to maximise the Yes vote.

  101. Socrates MacSporran says:

    Ever since I fist saw the Yew Choob parody – I have thought of the Rt. Hon. James Murphy PC (soon to be former) MP as “Big Dim Jim”. Then Wee Ginger Dug came up with “James Francis Murphy BA Politics (failed)” and I had a problem deciding which one to use.

    That line from “James Francis Murphy – Saviour of the Union”, about a cry of “pish” going up, has stuck, now Deputy Dug has entered my consciousness, quickly followed by: “the wain’s talking pish again”.

    Add “Magrit” Curran and it is quite clear – the good guys have all the best lines, but, SLAB has all the biggest, if not best jokes – except, they think they are the straight men and women.

  102. Grouse Beater says:

    Labour’s credo is not to express what is right or just, only what is believable.

    Dugdale is the last person one should elevate to executive status.

    She has no self-awareness nor able to connect with people. It appears to be a character failing endemic to all Labour politicians born in Scotland.

    She is also utterly humourless.

    Her aggression is almost always without justification. She repels as soon as she begins to speak. If all that is not her normal demeanour somebody has coached her very badly. Then again, the layers of the onion ARE the onion.

  103. Chic McGregor says:

    Sorry Robert Louis and others. First morning back at the KB from a long planned visit to NZ and waded in without reading past posts.

  104. David Stevenson says:

    OT, but has anyone else had a problem accessing the Newshaft website? Coming up as suspended.

  105. Macart says:

    I see some of the front pages are carrying the story of Cameron going Tonto on the Marr show. 😀

    I don’t think he did himself any favours there you know? Speaking as one of ‘those people’, y’know, a Scot, I’m almost inclined to thank the fella for making it perfectly clear that neither Labour nor the Conservatives want uncontrollable Scottish representation at Westminster. Oh no, they want the biddable variety that do as they are told.

    Cameron couldn’t have made it any clearer if he’d circled Westminster in barbed wire and stuck up the ‘get orf moi laaand’ signs.

    Dave, where’s the lurve baby? 😀

  106. Les Wilson says:

    Turning on BBCS this morning the “team” is in Gala this morning reporting on the election.

    The SNP candidate is first up, and Hailley Miller is quick to get in, ” You lost the referendum, didn’t you, the borders voted no, so you have a mountain to climb don’t you?”
    FFS, this is the bias against Scottish democracy.

    It is piling it up, in subtle ways and not so subtle ways, they are an utter disgrace. Can’t wait for the time when we can tell them to GTF!

  107. carjamtic says:

    Winston Wolf

    I fix problems

    Nice Coffee

    Angry Slabber Burdz ?

    Vote SNP

  108. Bob Mack says:

    @ louis B Argyll,
    I agree with your statement.What the English establishment are now doing is to condemn our right to have a say in this Union.We must only play the part they give us with our quota of representatives,which in normal circumstances,is insufficient to change anything.
    Circumstances today are different however with the two main contenders so close to one another in the polls.They both know the influence from Scottish SNP members would have an effect far beyond what was ever intended.
    What we see now is the real fear of the Establishment,and the backlash of as Farage described it “the tail wagging the dog”.
    I cannot believe the Scottish people take kindly to this at all. I refuse to believe it.
    Lets’ take them on and beat them at their own game.

  109. desimond says:

    Dear Kezia Dugdale…no one gives a Foulkes.

    And also this ranting about FFA..Stewart Hosies “oh we are into right hypotheticals now Gordon” reply summed up the emptiness of Kezias ranting

  110. Ken500 says:

    Scotland raises £54Billion in tax revenues (including geographical Oil share – not much just now) Scotland spend £54Billion. £35Billion Block Grant. £16Billion (UK) Pensions/Benefits and £3Billion Defence. Scotland lost £4Billion a year in Oil tax revenues when Osbourne put up Oil, tax revenues 11% (£2Billion) a year in 2011 Budget. £16Billion. More than enough to cover any deficit. Will Scotland be compensated for that?

    Scotland could save on Trident/illegal wars, a tax on ‘loss leading’ drink, Oil on the West, Corp tax which goes through UK HQ’s, cut APT, tax evasion, banking fraud debt repayment. – £10Billion a year? Will Scotland be compensated for that. Historically Westminster secretly took the equivalent of £Billions from Scotland. The McCrone Report. Thatcher secret accounts. Will Scotland and be compensated for that?

    The rest of the UK raises £412Billion in taxes (borrows and spends £90Billion a year). In 2010 the UK raised £600Billion in taxes. Now it is £466Billion. £134Billion a year less. Enough to pay off the Deficit, protect the vulnerable and protect NHS/Education.

    Cameron is ridiculous. Hysterical. Imagine trying to prevent Outlander being shown because of the ‘detachment in the Fall’. Pathetic and small minded. It will be great to watch him and Osbourne go. They should have supported full fiscal/autonomy/Home Rule as was promised. The Tory Party are the bankers who caused the crash. Bankers and Hedge Funds fund the Tory Party.

  111. call me dave says:

    Full article in the herald…but you get the drift.

    Jim Murphy: I will implement my manifesto after May 7 – and the SNP can vote against it if they dare.
    Seems you cant keep a good ‘yawn’ (man) down. 🙂

    Aye it was wall to wall fear on radio 5 live last night about midnight from the two ‘ political experts’. Fell asleep with a nice warm contented smile.

    More fear today as the manifesto is unleashed on the UK.

  112. JaceF says:

    You have to wonder what Sony got out of the Outlander thing. Better copyright laws, VCAP legislation, grants, backhanders or just cash in brown paper envelopes?

    this was just a TV drama I wonder what happens with other content the UK gov finds distasteful?

  113. Louis B Argyll says:

    Bob, yes indeed.

    To add.. The established rules of lobbying and political patronage will be stretched to breaking point by CREATING TRANSPARENCY around decision making.

    This could begin with political pressure to ensure ONLY ELECTED MEMBERS sit in the cabinet.

    In the house of commons and its committees there should be no…
    ‘lords’ (business leaders)
    “princes’ (privelidged MPs)
    “wizards'(spin doctors)

    How about a round table..Theres’s a popular English. Myth

  114. Ken500 says:

    The SNP Gov has mitigated the ‘bedroom tax’ protected NHS/Education, increased SNHS spending £1.8Billion – now £11.8Billion. No Uni fees and increased student Grants/loans and access. Labour/Unionists means-tested loans on household incomes. Students could not get a full loan. Social care, prescriptions and mitigated the welfare benefits cuts by £100Million.

    The Scottish Gov has Invested in Queensferry Bridge, AWPR, Borders Railway, V&A, and Glasgow/Edinburgh rail link which will help grow the Scottish economy. 40 years of debt can’t be paid back in 4 years.

  115. No no no...Yes says:

    SNP manifesto launch today and billboard publicity planned with Nicola making a vow to the people of Scotland

    I love the symbolism of using a ‘vow’.The difference with this vow is that our leader will deliver, unlike runaway Brown.

  116. Naina Tal says:

    Censorship pure and simple. This is a drama series. Cameron is saying we are too feeble minded to tell the difference.

    Quite happy though to have all the Great British……. Excuses for programmes on day and daily.

    Have you noticed how on programmes like east enders they write people out of script by sending them away to the end of the Earth?
    Cue starry eyed look of fear as the character says “He’s in Sco_land” Oh that’s the end of him then. Never see him again.

  117. Naina Tal says:

    “Starey eyed” doncha just love autocorrect?

  118. galamcennalath says:

    Robert Louis says:
    “Is it just gross incompetence by BBC presenters, is it intentional misinformation, or are they really so stupid?”

    ….. presenters, politicians, pundits … it’s difficult to tell when their attitude to Scotland is ignorance, arrogance, indifference, stupidity …. or malicious. Either way, it’s totally disrespectful and utterly frustrating to have to endure continually.

  119. Dorothy Devine says:

    Naina Tal, I’ve noticed union flags in all sorts of strange places throughout the TV world from antique to cookery programmes and anywhere else – not there are many other types of programmes.

    And then there is copy “Gladiator” type telly show which is festooned in red ,white and blue and a tired format .

    Won’t be watching.

  120. scottieDog says:

    Snp should be shouting this from the rooftops..

  121. Mosstrooper says:

    For pity’s sake and for the sanity of Morag, Rough Bounds and myself and no doubt others, the following;

    Wain.. Large open farm wagon from Middle English

    Wean ..A small child..Mainly Scots shortened version of wee ane. If in doubt use Bairn. Also Scots for a small child.

    Rein..leather straps used for control primarily for horses now generally any means of control. rule over to exercise sovereign power.

    Rain…water condensed from atmospheric vapour falling to earth in the form of drops.

    Watch this space for proper and effective usage of the words Their,there and they’re.

  122. big jock says:

    Dorothy very true about these flags. They seem to appear in Come Dine With Me over and over again. Maybe the English like Union cushions or something. I think they are hideous and tacky.

    Makes my blood boil when you go to John Lewis and they have their wee pieces of union propaganda on show. They never have Saltires. Not that I would buy Saltire cusions, but where is Scotland shown in all of this.

    Outwith Rangers fans who would buy them in Scotland!

  123. Bob Mack says:

    Nice to see Ruth Wishart shoot down Alex Massie on news this morning.
    Ruth correctly pointed out that Westminster have been putting up “straw men” such as FFA and Trident,knowing that any vote would be heavily weighted towards the Establishment thinking.
    Unbelievably Alex Massie seemed accepting that a vote for the SNP had the same effect as any vote against Cameron.
    I think they now accept the writing is on the wall.

  124. big jock says:

    Mosstrooper -Don’t forget Stank – Scots word for a drain cover and one of my favourites!

  125. Jim says:

    Jim Murphy tweets, “Cameron on Marr seems fixated by shoting about the SNP rather than talking about the Tories. He really is their cheerleader in Chief”

    Is this guy still sniffing glue, pot, kettle, black and all that?

  126. Louis B Argyll says:


    Imagine a near future when there may be a vote to to decide whether or not to go to war..

    ANY DEBATE in parliament would be enriched by having SNP speaking from a position of some standing.

    A party of principals would always give reason a greater chance.


  127. Graham Macqueen says:

    The poor wee lassie is still trying to convince anyone unwilling to think for themselves that the world is as it is because she, and labour, says so!

    Must be truly frustrating for her and her ‘comrades’!!!

    Call me twisted but I find it rather amusing watching them panic!

  128. galamcennalath says:

    Union Flags, colour schemes, Outlander, Great British this that and the other, etc etc

    We are not imagining it. We have not simply become over sensitive to imagery. It’s too wide spread to be random coincidence. It is not some wild conspiracy theory.

    IMO there is a concerted effort to Britify as much as possible.

  129. Naina Tal says:

    Louis B
    Continuing previous theme on this thread. Think you mean “principles”.

    Mind you it could be said most of the unionist parties would be better off without their principals…..

  130. Robert Peffers says:

    @Roland Smith says: 20 April, 2015 at 12:20 am:

    “Watch this taxi driver on Labour, he is good.

    Good! Good? What the hell are you on about?
    This guy has only a slightly more enlightened idea of what the referendum was about than 99.999% of the rest of the population of Dan Sath has.

    For example he claims that the Scottish People forced the, “Nationalists” thus showing that either he cannot read or that he has absorbed the Establishment’s propaganda big time. The initial letter, “N”, in, “SNP”, begins the word, “National”. It thus signifies the party is the party of the Scottish Nation.

    As for, “forcing”, the party he obviously does not grasp the fact the SNP policy is made by the members at national conference – not by the party hierarchy – and each individual member has exactly the same number of votes on forming that policy as has Nicola Sturgeon. It other words the Party is people led not politician led.

    Most of all, though, the, “Nationalist”, side of the referendum was far, far wider than the, “National”, party as it included far more than the SNP or even the other Scottish parties or branch offices of the main UK parties and even totally unaligned voters.

    This, “Nationalist”, part of things goes far beyond the SNP. Other than that he makes a few good points.

  131. Mosstrooper says:

    @ Big Jock

    Thank you for your comment. However in my pedant role it is worth pointing out for clarity that the word “stank” refers to the pool of stagnant water below the cover. As someone who in the past lost many a jaurie doon the stank I claim a certain knowledge. When the stank sooker lorries came around there was always a group of bairns around hoping against hope that some lucks may be recovered.

    Ahh! the merry tales of yesteryear.

  132. Naina Tal says:

    Wi you Mosstrooper. Mind, we can’t it a gundy.

  133. Naina Tal says:

    We ca’d it a gundy. Whey can this bliddy machine nno pit oot whit ah write?
    Keeps wanting tae ca’ the gundy a “bunch” tae. Thanks a gundy. See whit ah did there?

  134. manandboy says:

    There is growing evidence that the Prime Minister, and the people governing the UK, are showing signs of mental and emotional instability. This is worrying for a country with Trident nuclear weapons on constant standby at sea.

    The CEO of the nuclear UK Plc, really ought to be a a very stable and grounded individual. How on earth are we going to create that situation with the two candidates currently in line for the job.
    So, if on polling day, this question appears on the ballot paper:- ‘Which of these two men do you trust to have his finger on the Nuclear button for the next five years? – David Cameron or Ed Milliband. How will you answer?

    Would you entrust a loaded gun to a hyper teenager?

  135. Louis B Argyll says:

    The Great Britification of Great Britain.

    It’s a party political nationalism.

    Only there to make the correct enabling divisions in society so that narrow compromise passes for democracy.

    We see it.. Soon the other inhabitants of these islands will see it too.

    The cradle of democracy is a work in progress.

  136. Mosstrooper says:

    Thank you Naina Tal (interesting nom de plume) Hoever I believe you mean “cundy” as a Gundy is a toffee which may have come from Arabic or Tamil. Isn’t this fun?

  137. Robert Peffers says:

    @Lesley-Anne says: 20 April, 2015 at 12:37 am:

    “I read on Twitter that oor Dave, apparently, refused to remain on the sofa when Nicola Sturgeon was due on to be interviewed by Marr this morning.

    What a bloody stupid 2 year old child he is! “

    Now! Now! Lesley-Anne. We must be scrupulously fair to the Prime Numptie and the rest of the Unionist/Establishment party Leaders. Their journey to normal adult maturity was stopped short at a critical stage in their development.

    These people are not really individuals but a sort of group, or gang, of immature adults whose development was arrested when they attended English Public Schools then into the unique Oxbridge University system where they were invited to join, “The Bullingdon Club”, or its Oxford equivalent.

    Here the system of, “Fagging”, and the absence of normal family contacts, predisposed them into a sort of suspended development and consigned them to the schoolboy style patterns of behaviour that is all too apparent at, for example, Prime Minister’s Questions.

    A more juvenile exhibition of schoolyard Yah! Boo! “My Dad’s richer than your Dad”, mentality would be very hard to find.

    So credit where credit is due. Two Year Old is pitching their child like mentality a little too young. Most two Year Olds have not yet acquired the superiority complex required to become such a sixth Form Twit as your average Establishment leader numptie.

  138. Wuffing Dug says:

    Big jock @ 9.33

    I despise john lewis too.

    The big green shop with ott prices, frequented mainly by vacuous, pretentious establishment fannies.

    Widnae even let ma dug lie on wan ae they cushions.

  139. Proud Cybernat says:

    “I’ve had a look. In every single SNP manifesto since 1999… had a commitment to a referendum in it.” – K. Dugdale

    Checked back to 1999!! This is part of Labour’s problem. They spend too much time digging for mud (any mud will do, even if untrue) to throw at the SNP instead of doing what they should be doing and that is working flat out to develop their own positive vision for the betterment of the people of Scotland.

    They’re effing obssessed with the SNP. They will pay in May.

  140. manandboy says:

    Inspired by the piece above by Robert Peffers.

    For the benefit of every newspaper reader in the UK.

    Spot the odd one out:-

    The English National Orchestra
    National Debt
    The First National Bank
    The national Weather
    The Scottish National Party
    The English National ballet
    National Security
    The English National anthem
    The National
    On National television
    The English National curriculum
    Marks & Spencers
    English National opera
    The English national Sheepdog Trials.

  141. Naina Tal says:

    Very interesting. But definitely “gundy” in my wee backwater. Embra boys seemed to call it a siver. In Geordieland I’ve heard it referred to as a coandie.

    Such creativity in the naming of such a mundane item!!

  142. big jock says:

    Dug – I think J Lewis were part of the no campaign as well! Correct me if I am wrong though!

  143. Harry Shanks says:

    Seems to be no coverage of SNP manifesto launch on BBC or SKY news.

    I believe 10.00am was the kick-off?

  144. Louis B Argyll says:

    England is a great nation, its history and luminaries plain for all to see.
    Its determined people being generally kind and positive.

    The government of the UK is where the problem lies.
    The two largest cultures on this island will always maintain a natural respect for each other.

    But respect for leaders must be earned, especially as we often “share” these leaders, despite such cultural differences.

  145. Fiona says:

    @ Robert Peffers

    It happens that on R4 news this morning the newsreader actually corrected herself: she said “Scottish National party” and swiftly changed it to “Scottish Nationalist”. I had the impression this was sincere and she genuinely thought she had got it wrong.

    Quite telling, I thought

  146. ronnie anderson says:

    In the first few paragraphs of Nicola’s speech, Milliband should be on the phone to Nicola (call waiting)when she finnishes.

  147. Alan McHarg says:

    Playing steelies/marbles on the stank, jumpers for goal posts oh happy days. Thank you good people of “Wings”, today has been an education! slangevar!…Uisge beatha tastes the same no matter what time of the day you drink it!

  148. Louis B Argyll says:

    On yersel Alan..

  149. Robert Peffers says:

    @icyspark says: 20 April, 2015 at 1:07 am:

    “Dave’s latest rant:

    This must be the most stupid display of sheer childish stupidity ever displayed by a United Kingdom Prime Minister. Pre-Union history is, perhaps, another matter.

    Let us examine the historic background behind how the once actual, “United Kingdom”, reached this stage where Her Majesty’s Prime Minister, of Her Majesty’s Government, of Her United Kingdom, deems it necessary to attempt to guard the claimed interests of the largest COUNTRY of that, UNITED KINGDOM from one of its Devolved administrations. Muddled Thinking is so apparent as to be comical.

    In 1706/7 two equally sovereign Kingdoms signed a Treaty of Union but one of those Kingdoms contained three countries, since then the determination of England to become a master race has soured relations between not only the two signatory kingdoms but is now driving all four UK countries apart.

    Contrary to popular belief devolution history began in 1886 when PM William Ewart Gladstone’s Liberal Party, the bill was defeated in the House of Commons. The history of Ireland and devolution led to the partition of Ireland and the eventual loss to the UK of the Republic of Ireland. Westminster learned nothing from that debacle and N.I. is still not really a settled part of the UK.

    The, “National Association for the Vindication of Scottish Rights was established in 1853”. Backed by the Tories it claimed that Scottish problems had little attention because of undue attention to Ireland by the sitting Liberal government. In 1871, Gladstone said, at a meeting in Aberdeen, that if Ireland got home rule, the same should apply to Scotland. A Scottish home rule bill was put before the Westminster Parliament in 1913 but was interrupted by the outbreak of the First World War.

    Demands for change in how Scotland was run changed in the 1920s when various organisations began. The, “Scots National League”, of 1920 began claims for Scottish independence. It was superseded in 1928 by the formation of the, “National Party of Scotland”, and this became the SNP in 1934. First the SNP wanted only a devolved Scottish assembly. In 1942 this changed to claims for full independence and the resignation of John MacCormick from the SNP. MacCormick then formed the, “Scottish Covenant Association”, that proved to be a greater mover for formation of a Scottish assembly. It collecting over two million signatures in the late 1940s and early 1950s and had support from the entire political spectrum. Having no real links with the political parties it died out and both devolution and an assembly went on the back burner of politics.

    The Labour government under Harold Wilson began a Royal Commission on the Constitution in 1969. It reported in 1973 to the Ted Heath’ led Conservative government. It recommended formation of a devolved Scottish assembly but was never implemented. Then the SNP gained 30% support in the October, 1974 general election with the election of 11 SNP MPs. In 1978 the Labour government passed the Scotland Act that would establish a Scottish Assembly, provided the Scots voted for it in a referendum. Labour Party was greatly, and bitterly, divided over devolution. They passed an amendment to that, “Scotland Act”, proposed by Labour’s George Cunningham, who then jumped ship and joined the newly set-up, “Social Democratic Party (SDP).

    His amendment needed 40% of the Scottish electorate to vote for the Scottish assembly. Although officially backing it large numbers of Labour MPs opposed the assembly. This led to a narrow ‘Yes’ majority but a failure to reach the 40% threshold. This is what led to the oft claimed fall of the Labour Government led by James Callaghan after losing an SNP introduced vote of no confidence. Though why the Labour Party branch office in Scotland should imagine the SNP owed the back stabbing Labour government any form of loyalty defies all logic. Labour, to this day, claim the following 18 years of Conservative government under Margaret Thatcher & Major were entirely due to the SNP. Ignoring the fact that their then PM in his memoires blamed only his own Labour Members.

    The aftermath of the eventual establishment of a Scottish Parliament has seen the absolutely idiotic actions of the Westminster Establishment of retaining for itself the Westminster Parliament as the, unelected as such, de facto Parliament of the country of England, while still calling itself the Parliament of the United Kingdom. This is now causing them all the problems gaining more support across the entire United Kingdom. That UK parliament legislates for England as the UK, using English Law, funding itself as the UK directly with UK funds that are paid to the UK Treasury by the entire UK taxpayers.

    The quite obvious correct way to introduce devolution to the bipartite United Kingdom as either each kingdom with its own parliament but shared common interests, like defence, or if they must ignore the Treaty of Union Of Kingdoms and instead break-up the United Kingdom as separate countries then do so as a level playing field with the country of England getting her own parliament and her own block grant.

  150. Wuffing Dug says:

    Big jock @ 10.39

    Indeed they were, all over google.

    Threatening to raise prices in Scotland along with asda etc. Not forgotten.

    Arseholes the lot of them.

  151. orri says:

    Not sure where he gets the bit about a group of nationalists from though as this wouldn’t be the first time. The last time was 1918 although there were several GEs before then when parties advocating Irish home rule had the vast majority of seats in Ireland. Stupid dickhead doesn’t know his history obviously.

  152. Chic McGregor says:

    In Perth it was a condie.

  153. Fiona says:

    Seems to me that Westminster has been dominated by those “nationalists” who see the city of London as their “state”, for as long as I can remember. They never really entered the era of the “nation” state per se: it was merely a divide and rule tactic like many another. I see no evidence at all that they have any commitment to the nation state they claim to support: but lots that they have loyalty to their class, proxied by the city state of London

  154. Fred says:

    A stank is indeed a pool of stagnant water (also known as a Slab). The introduction of street drainage saw the name stank & stank cover used for that drainage improvement, in Glasgow anyhow. Cundy, in the east prob’ from conduit? who hasn’t heard of “The Flowers of Edinburgh”, be thankful for cundies! A syver is not to be confused with Glasgow, stuyver, as in “Ah huvnae goat a stuyver”, which I believe was a small Dutch coin?

    I’m not convinced with a wean being a wee ane, a weanling was a child just weaned and as I still have the two lines on the cheeks from breast feeding through the school palins, I think that could be the origin. Wean, a weaned child.

  155. Gary says:

    It’s a plot by the Cybernats to make her look stupid..

  156. Marko says:

    @Chic McGregor
    “I have also wondered whether he ever really believed that or whether it was political expediency. i.e. to maximise the Yes vote.”
    That was certainly how I took it – look, you’re unlikely to get another crack at this anytime soon, so if you want it…

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