Wings Over Scotland

‘You’re here to listen’. It’s the Britnat way!

oof. Pretty much sums up the whole Labour philosophy towards voters. “If you’re not here to listen, piss off”.

Tick.

Tock.

TTIP, the dodgy EU-US trade deal, threatens our NHS and our democracy but so far our politicians are sitting on the fence. David Martin, one of our MEPs in Scotland, is a leading figure in the EU and could lead the way to stop TTIP – if enough of us persuade him to take action now.

link to secure.38degrees.org.uk

Watch the shock reaction from the guy sitting to his R. Absolutely priceless couldn’t stop laughing nearly pissed myself. Just shows you the contempt these career politicians have for the mere mortals

Saw this earlier Stu, I linked to 38 degrees petition and I don’t agree with the way they hijacked the vow petition for Gordzilla but I am really worried about TTIP and the way this trougher dismisses folk is just more evidence of how Labour view the electorate, can you imagine if this had been an SNP MEP we would all be watching sweaty Brewer going scripto tomorrow on LabourBBC

Derek Bateman mentioned this dude a while back in a post if i remember correctly.

The gist of it was that Martin was writing a report seeking to get Scotland and Catalonia blocked from continuing EU membership.

link to catalannewsagency.com

Who needs enemies with friends like this,eh?

Unfortunately this didn’t receive coverage and he was re-elected.

Does that count as bullying
Or is it only if we say it
Not sure of the rules
Or is this one of those times where “Britain Waves the Rules”
and it’s OK

@ Croompenstein @11.47

Actually it was Gordzilla who hijacked the 38 degrees petition. I recall signing that within hours of the announcement – certainly days before GB decided he needed backup.

I’ve been a member of 38 degrees for a couple of years now. I’ve always found them approachable and helpful. And there wasn’t a peep from them ever about ‘let’s plead with Scotland to stay’ – which counts for something in my book.

Oh my. Labour representaion in Europe.

I thought when I saw the plea to sign 38 degrees petition earlier it had to be a wind up.

David Martin! I’ve scraped better off my shoe.

OT: It looks like the UK economy is going for an all time high.

link to archive.today

@A MacRitchie

I have no idea what your comment was trying to achieve. There is loads of people from England in the SNP.

Still don’t understand why this guy is representing Scotland and who voted him into this position?

@ A McRitchie

What makes you think David Martin is English? He’s from Edinburgh, and to my ear at least has a Scottish accent.

(Incidentally, for those keeping tabs on the BBC/SLab connections, when I checked DM’s birthplace, I discovered that his current wife, who had previously been the partner of an MSP, “has worked as an STV political correspondent, as a BBC political correspondent, and for the Labour Party in Scotland. She also worked at the Daily Mirror and is currently working for the Scottish edition of The Times.”)

Jenni, Place your cursor over any given article you want to archive, then right click on your mouse or pad, a drop down menu appears, click ‘copy url’. Then open an archive today page:

link to archive.today

Place your cursor into the red bordered rectangle box. Then right click, drop down menu appears, click ‘paste url’.

Click ‘submit url’ at the far right hand side of the box. Let it do it’s coverting. Hey presto! An archived copy!

Unionist/most English politicians do not have Scotland’s best interests at heart as we all know. Thus as a spokes person for Scotland you would have thought he would have been elected in Scotland as an MEP. Never mind being English but he’s Labour as well. If you were English and a member of the SNP then I would assume you would have Scotland’s best interest at heart as there would be no point in being in a Scottish National Independence party. What I was trying to ascertain was is this guy an elected English MEP? If so why is he representing Scotland? Do the unionist parties not have Scottish MEPs to chair whatever this guy is supposed to representing? However being one of Six Scottish MEPs I will assume he has been elected in Scotland. However his attitude says it all really.

Scottish Labour, a shower of gangsters and thugs.

They have bullied Scotland for the last time.

Edit:

To clarify I meant the UK Govt supports the clause, not its removal. Sorry.

Here are the archived versions Jenni.

link to archive.today

link to archive.today

If you want to archive something download archive [dot] is

Every time you link to a page you want to archive, once the page comes up press the link to archive sit back and wait. In a short period of time the archived version appears.

I think that explains how to archive Jenni. If not the sound you hear will be me getting my face slapped by someone who knows better. 😀

Why are people still posting links to 38 degrees???

38 degrees, are NO friends of the independence movement, as has been discussed on here at great length in the past, MANY,MANY,MANY TIMES!

Previously they failed to act in response to BBC anti SNP Bias – as if I remember correctly, it ‘wasn’t a UK issue, just Scotland’. They also, only a few months ago, handed the referendum petition over to Gordon Brown.

People should check who it is behind such organisations, and how they operate, before posting links to them.

@ Jenni.
link to archive.today

Now you do.
😉
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These Labour scumbags really do think they are something, eh!

Dim Jim likes to tell folk to Fuck Off.

Now we have this maggot telling voters to Piss Off.

I know, how about this, the Daily Rectum, 38 Degrees, the BBC and the LibLabCons can all GTF and p!ss off out of Scotland.

Adios ya bunch of ("Tractor" - Ed)s, yer ship is going down.

link to youtube.com
🙂

I un-subscribed from 38 degrees after the Brown petition fiasco (and never got a satisfactory response to my complaints), so I shall not sign up again for this one.

Nevertheless, I did meet one of their Scottish staff (who is I think one of the signatories to the appeal that has been quoted on here about TTIP) at a RIC event and she seemed reasonable enough. I had intended to try to talk to her about their organization but didn’t find the time.

We went to Brussels to talk to our MEPs, demonstrate against TTIP, along with other Europeans opposing TTIP (and CETA).

Stihler didn’t know anything about TTIP really and this was David Martin’s attitude, ‘Why are you here, what are you on about’.

His attitude had changed when he was confronted at Holyrood a week or so ago! Lord Livinston, one of the UK Governments negotiators, was at a committee meeting to tell MSPs don’t worry your little heads.

Martin was at a discussion later that day.

It must be very tiresome for the real people like MEPs to have to talk to mere voters much less actually be asked questions by them. We should be grateful he turned up.

When asked by this newspaper (The Herald) whether Murphy would serve a full-term as an MP, a party spokesman dodged the question: “We are taking one election at a time. Jim is focused on getting re-elected in May. It would be presumptuous to start talking about what happens after that.”

The spokesman added that Murphy would “under no circumstances” take “wages from two parliaments at the same time.”

Senior party figures believe Murphy could win the Westminster seat in May and resign after a year, triggering a Westminster by-election on the same day as the Holyrood poll.

However, a Labour source said the move would be viewed as “cynical”.
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It’s a no brainer! Not talking about Murphy either, are the voters in E. Renfrewshire fitted with buttons on the back of their heads.

At least with it showing on here then those at The Daily Record will get to see it. *Waves at Record editing team*

Well that’s one way of holding a ‘meaningful dialogue’, ‘really listening to people’s concerns’, ‘reaching out’ (Labour TM) etc. 😀

Oh jeez and they wonder why their stock has fallen with the voter?

Here’s a wee hint for the Labour political wonks who I’m sure must scan these threads. When you’re trying to do the whole reaching out, holding a dialogue/meaningful conversation, building bridges thing?

Do not, under ANY circumstances, do what Mr Martin did. Fair ruins the the whole carin’, sharin’ and concerned line so it does.

Here tae help. 🙂

Thats not the way to get peoples attention Macart,

you do it this way
link to youtube.com 🙂

o/t
This is a laugh,
BBC reporting on an American congressman who appears to have all the taste of a New Orleans hooker (not that Aa wid ken ye unnerstaun) painting his office bright red, it would appear the interest the BBC seems to have in the (non) story is that he seems to (in someones fevered imagination) have copied the style of Downton Abby, the thrust of the piece being spending American taxpayers money on his own (23 y/o) vanity,

but the office appears to have stuff you would get from a pound store the most expensive thing was probably the paint on the walls, since the picture appeared to be the generic type things you get in cheap shops (I shop at Jenners, poorer relatives have told me) with a smiling guy/girl/family crappy looking wall mounted candelabra and a bunch of feathers (probably from the roadkill he and his hillbilly family feasted on the previous night)

I wonder how much money the BBC spent sending a crew to Washington to cover this (NON) story? probably a damn sight more than a silly wee Congressmans office refurb cost.

@ John King

😀 Anger management issues right enough.

Mr Martin loses it and folk laugh at him.

If he spoke to me like that he’d be eating through a straw.

self-aggrandizement
n
1. the act of increasing one’s own power, importance, etc, esp in an aggressive or ruthless manner
?self-ag?gran?dizing adj

Jenni at 102 am,

Sorry but your comments are wrong regarding 38 degrees. They did indeed hand the petition over to Gordon Brown, something which was covered extensively here.

As regards the BBC in Scotland, there was a petition raised on 38 degrees many, many years ago, which I was onvolved in before the referendum was even announced, indeed prior to the SNP majority Government of 2011. The required number of signatures were obtained quickly, but 38 degrees refused totally to even cover the issue, as it was ‘only a Scottish issue’.

Their are other reported instances of similar things.

38 degrees are a waste of space so far as the independence campaign is concerned, and others have documnented their ties to Labour. You are of course free to ‘sign anything they send you’, and tell yourself they are helping if that makes you feel good.

Their are many other GOOD petition sites, but I and others here would NOT consider 38 degrees as trustworthy.

Stay classy…it’s the Labour way.The enemy of the Scottish people as always.

Grumpppphh!

Dave says:
1 March, 2015 at 7:50 am

“..I assume Jim Murphy will take a very dim view”

What other kind of view could he take?
He is named Dim Jim for good reason 🙂

O/T the herald today is saying that Gordon Brown is giving all his wages from speaking events to charity. Nearly one and a half million to this year.

This is very commendable, but then my spin detector started flashing when I noted that the ” charity ” was none other than his own, Sarah & Gordon Brown.

Now the reason I am pointing this out is my own inadequacy in tax and charity related matters… The point is are all donations to charities tax free… Do charities have to give an set amount to good works or can their costs … Wages transport, mobiles, entertainment be higher than their good works? Can a charity invest and benefit from tax free unearned income.

In short is the Sarah & Gordon Brown Charity a glossy front for tax avoidance?

Please help there must be some Tax and Charity lawyers out there and their charity must lodge books somewhere!

@ken500

I could not disagree with you more.

TTIP is certainly to do with privatising the NHS, and it follows from the GPA, which does not get so much attention.

link to thosebigwords.forumcommunity.net

@ John King My sentiments exacly John anybody who has a Family member suffer any form of cancer would have the same sentiments. I do hope he recovers,& no recurrence.

Ken500

That’s not the experience of countries involved so far. The corporations, shareholders, lobbyists and lawyers get millions and billions, people in jobs in the real economy do not do so well.

With NAFTA the US lost 650, 000 jobs, moved to Mexico.

@ donnywho Recent events ( kilt walk ) spent more on orginizing events administration costs ect , than what the donate to other charities (walking kilt or no kilt DOSENT cost money ) & this charity should be investigated by OSCR.

I ran a football club with charitable status & spent a lot of money Hirinh pitch’s, school halls, transport, & I could still afford to give the kids easter eggs,christmas parties with tables stuffed with food,& I still had money to keep the club solvent,all on £5 membership + donations mainly for kit.
I hope thats of some help, OSCR are rigorous in examining accounts, but I doubt Mr Brown & Sarah would be registered in Scotland.

@donnywho

“The office of Sarah and Gordon Brown” “Charity” Off the top of my head so all figures approximate and may contain inaccuracies but this may get you started..

It has taken in £3,500,000 and payed out £900,000.

Sarah and Gordon take £10,000 per month as a “Salary” (Each or between them I dont know)

It pays for their first class air fares and five star hotels as they jet around the world giving speeches at £25,000 a time.

Good work if you can get it! Sorry if this is a bit vague but it is a start. Hopefully someone can point you to something a bit more substantial.

@donnywho

I have no idea about Gordon Brown’s charity: but the answer to your broader question about whether charities can be misused in terms of tax etc is clearly yes

Consider this

link to thosebigwords.forumcommunity.net

The elite corrupt everything they touch. In that sense their view of human nature is self fulfilling for they are intent on destroying our trust and cooperation in every field

Saddened to hear of Nick Robinson’s illness. I hope he makes a speedy recovery. Unlike many in Bitter Together, I wish no ill on those who hold other opinions, or (even) have lied against us. Health is much bigger than that.

Re Brown and charity. After the million plus expenses per annum in costs, 1st class flights,5star hotels etc, keeping Mrs Broon in the style she is acustomed too etc there is little left to ve allocated to charity.

Im on my phone and cant work out how to have two internet sessions at the same time but if you google im sure you will find exact amounts.

It should be a scandal but thanks to the msm is swept under the carpet.

Interesting that the audience laughed at Martin and didn’t get angry towards him. Labour in Scotland have reached the “being ridiculed” stage. No wonder labour politicians are desperate.

Ronnie, here’s the archived copy of that article. Unbelievably and unusually it actually did archive!

link to archive.today

I wonder if Gordon Browns charity pays out more than the 40% he would be otherwise paying in tax?

Mexican population 122Million – risen 1Million from 2013 – 2014

Japan population 122Million (densely populated)

Blair and Brown should be in jail. The Chilcot verdict is being blocked by unelected civil servants.

@ K1 thanks for that,I meant to ask somebody to archive it,ah keep getting lost in archiving,ah end up pressing button B an getting ma money back( wan fur us aulder yins ) younger Wingers ask yer Granda/Granny.

It seems the office of s&g brown is a reg company. Don’t know if you have to have a charity no or if a co can be a charity as well. There office expenses are on the high side at about £500,000 pa… But from their website

“Neither Mr nor Mrs Brown receive salary, dividends, or profits from The Office of Gordon and Sarah Brown, which was constituted solely for and remains only for the purpose of employing staff to further their charitable and public service work and donating to good causes both locally and internationally.”

So maybe I am utterly wrong or it warrants further delving, it just seems wrong a charity/corporation spending ££500,000 promoting charity, that’s 20 members of staff on average wage. The website is anodyne on what they actually do, the talk of others the promote, not note financially support.

I never tire of the media telling us that Andy said he would support anyone but England, but always for some reason fail to mention that it was in response to a reporter basically saying that the Scottish football team were crap.

Don’t you just love the unionist media.

@ Ken500

Can you show how TTIF will not pave the way for further privatisation in the same way that the GPA does?

It is no good repeating your assertions without explaining how you envisage the safeguards which will prevent privatisation, and the suing of sovereign states by corporates who will claim they have lost money through legislation preventing their involvement in services which have a private element already. Not suing through the existing courts, bear in mind.

Alex Salmond’s campaign fund, to help win the seat in Gordon.

This is a different set up from indiego, you just set up a user name and password, then pledge your amount.

A one off direct debit is set up, but will not come off your account till the fundraiser closes after the 28th March, for those who have just donated to Wings, this means it’s not a big hit right away, kinda buy now pay later.

Let’s give as much as we can to get our former FM back into Westminster!

link to crowdfunder.co.uk

O/T the Revs gonna shoot me soon. Daily Rancid yer no getting ah scoop on the vile ( I will kill you with hammers )Rev Stuart Campbell.

He knows ah like Cinnimon Baws, fire away Rev.

Ronnie
The Rev will have to include Lesley Anne & me in the killing alongside you because we posted it here days ago and I went on to post it on Twitter just because it was simply hiarious.

His arm is going to ache mightily if he has to kill 3 of us with hammers. More power to your elbow Rev, perhaps you need to start exercising those muscles in readiness for the event 🙂

@ K1 at the risk of Briandoonthetoon & Pete the Camera anither badge fur me ( insy winnsey spider ),
ah huv tried & tried & tried again.

Its awe Doug Daniels fawt.lol

Going by the comment that Murphy won’t draw two salaries at the same time can we assume that that doesn’t preclude the possibility that he’ll qualify for both. I seriously doubt that he’ll stand down from his Westminster seat should he win one at Holyrood if there’s any chance that Labour might lose it in a bye-election.

@ Lollysmum after reading ma post the Rev will gie you,s the option Hammers or Shot,an dont awe choose Cinnimon baws,other flavours available who,s fur Aniseed or Soor Plooms ( hurry tae get the latter, or Mr Foote will get them awe ).

@Ken500

You are living in a fantasy land, I think

link to scotsman.com

TTIP supersedes domestic law, as does the GPA. That is what is written in to the treaty, and that is how it will work.

@muttley79 says: 1 March, 2015 at 12:10 am

“I have no idea what your comment was trying to achieve. There is loads of people from England in the SNP.”

Aye! muttley79, but there is a very great difference between the two definitions. One lot believes that Britain, the UK and England are synonymous terms and thus to be English is to be British and the same thing. These are Unionists.

The others are English born but are now some of, “The sovereign people of Scotland”. As are all the other immigrants who have enriched our wee nation since time began. I once nearly married a girl of Italian extraction from an Italian family that arrived in Scotland when Italians first began to arrive on Scottish shores in numbers back in the late 19th century. For many of these Scotland was a just a stopping point en route to the Americas but for others they liked what they found and stayed to became part of the people of Scotland.

Initially these immigrant Italians came from northern areas such as Tuscany, but emigration spread to the south (Naples region) by the 1900s. There can hardly be a city, town, village or hamlet in Scotland that doesn’t have their own Italian chippie, Ice Cream Parlour or Garage. I wonder, for example, how many Demarco families there are in Scotland. Many of whom were great musicians, actors or artists.

Is there any other video of this meeting to discuss TTIF? I would like to see how the response from the MEP developed and how the meeting went on from part the clip shows.

Wow… What a lovely man.

Damn you impudent member of the audience asking a question..

How bloody dare you.. Bet he was like the Victorian Dad from Viz..

Cock!

TTIP is a trade agreement to stop US multinationals dominance in the EU market. The US puts up trade barriers to trade from other countries. Uses patents, tax tariffs to discriminated against trade and goods from other countries. Ie the EU was going to introduce barriers and tariffs against US companies, if there was no agreement. European companies will be able to equally access to US Market. EU Law is mainly based on social Laws and equal trading agreements between member States, an attempt to make equal fair free trade laws throughout the EU.

Eg The US doesn’t allow beef imports from the UK/Scotland etc. The Irish Gov has just negotiated a new agreement to re export beef to the US.

Any privatisation is an entirely separate issue. It is up to individual member States how they organise their Healthcare arrangements.

The increased trade with the US from Scotland could finance an even better Healthcare sector. The Scottish diaspora in the US is a large Market for Scottish goods, music and food exports.

For once I am not going to join the Labour-bashers on this one. David Martin is in fact one of the better of the breed. His attendance record in Brussels is exemplary, he is a member of various committees, including that of human rights, has written several reports, made plenty speeches and asked numerous questions. He was the longest serving Vice-President of the European Parliament. He is far from a trougher. In fact he is leading against the secret dispute settlement part of TTIP and for the exclusion of the NHS. OK, he lost it this time, but the heckling was being carried out without giving him any chance to put his position.

link to you.38degrees.org.uk