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  1. John Lowe says:

    TRUTH ??????

  2. Robert Louis says:

    Great cartoon.

    Kind of sick of Scotland being commanded to do just whatever Britain England wants. Especially when their Tory sociopathic leaders are making such a mess of things.

    If ever you needed a reason for Scotland running its own affairs, then this is it.

    Pritti Patel, Michael Gove, Matt hancock, Dominic Raab, Boris De Pfeffle Johnstone, and their cabal of psycopathic ‘advisors’, are wholly and completely culpable for the unnecessary deaths of innocent people. They have BLOOD on their hands.

  3. starlaw says:

    Never in history did a cartoon say so much . .

  4. winifred mccartney says:

    Fantastic cartoon – I do not know how you manage to capture the mood and the truth so accurately week after week. Thank you so much and more power to your brush.

  5. Dorothy Devine says:

    Brilliant cartoon Chris.

    And hear , hear Robert Louis.

  6. Marie Clark says:

    A picture paints a thousand words, thanks Chris. Hamish by the look in his eyes is not amused.

    Well said Robert Louis.

  7. The Isolator says:

    Brilliant as per usual Chris.Let’s hope the Scottish Government (and I use the term loosely) are setting sail on an entirely different course.It is their duty to do so.”God help us all”.

  8. Breeks says:

    Now the UK has [finally] decided to quarantine the airports, you have to wonder if that’s happening only now to stop more COV19 coming in to the UK, or the contagion getting out and spread to parts of the world who have already dealt with it.

    Excellent cartoon once again.

  9. Robert Roddick says:

    I imagine Hamish saying ”you go first big man”.

  10. Sinky says:

    Tories are using Covid to promote the Union at every turn.

    If Scotland has slightly different rules from England any confusion is purely down to the BBC and the other Unionist outlets that continually fail to give prominence to what the situation is in Scotland.

    Worth watching State of Happiness on BBC4 at 9 pm tonight on the beginnings of the oil boom in Stavanger to get a glimpse of what might have been if Scotland voted for Independence

  11. Capella says:

    It’s like a still from “Death in Venice”. Uncanny.

  12. Frank Gillougley says:


  13. jfngw says:

    On Thursday they were given the NHS clap and on Friday they were having a party to celebrate the veterans that the NHS were now nursing to their graves due gross incompetence at the highest levels.

    It’s always seems weird to me having a party that celebrates over 70 million dead,. Why is it their celebrations are only ever about war or royalty, do they have nothing else.

    Here’s one, it is the 50th anniversary of Booby Moore being arrested in Bogota.

  14. Ottomanboi says:

    Scotland has been in chained and padlocked lockdown since 1707. England says jump and half our population is happy, without a care for the consequences, to do so, while the liberators frantically struggle to find the right key.
    FREEDOM party coming soon?

  15. A C Bruce says:

    Great cartoon. Hamish looks pretty determined to resist Bull.

    According to British nationalists our people should suck it up and follow England and allow unknown numbers of our people to be wiped out from this virus. They’re quite mad. I can’t see the FM burdening her conscience with the resultant deaths if Scotland follows BoZo’s direction.

  16. Millennium says:

    I wonder if this Virus will change the thinking of Boris and his government regarding Scottish Independence.

    With no income being generated in Scotland or N Ireland, will it become a negative drag on the English economy.

    Will England decide to let Scotland have her Referendum, will England actually encourage Irish Unification?

    This virus could create the opportunity we have all been waiting for.

    England doggedly held onto Scotland because of the tax it could generate through industries like Oil and Gas?

    But with all of Scotland’s major Industries at s stand still, would holding onto her be a subsidy too far for the English to stomach.

    Worth keeping our eyes on this and see if
    Johnson’s language changes regards this Section 30.

  17. Simon Curran says:

    Sinky, Glad you mentioned that particular Norwegian drama, I’ve enjoyed the first two episodes and thought just like you how different the last 50 years might have been.Great cartoon, as always.

  18. Tinto Chiel says:

    Sadly, reminds me of the sarcastic comment during the Yugoslav civil war re arms sales to all sides to maintain a level killing field.

  19. John Thomson says:

    Freedom can’t come quick enough for this old one

  20. defo says:

    Liking the attention to detail CC
    Protein ‘spikes’ !

    Really hoping BJ has DC close at hand today, and sets us on very different courses tomorrow.

  21. Morgatron says:

    Superb Chris, this is exactly what they are trying to do.

  22. galamcennalath says:

    Time to walk away, Hamish.

  23. Mike d says:

    Robert louis. You forgot the biggest barsteward of them all. Dominic cummings.

  24. Merkin Scot says:

    Never since the Battle of Agincourt was predicted in the Magna Carta was a cartoon more relevant than anything that convict Vicky Price has spouted on Radio Shortbread.

  25. Mike d says:

    Sinky 8.37am. I dont look at ‘ what might have beens’. All it does is depress me.

  26. Effijy says:

    Just watched BBC Propaganda news.
    Labour Leader of the devolved Welsh Government
    Explaining how all 4 countries of the union must
    Follow Bojo’s instructions for managing Covid 19.

    No government on planet earth has been more incompetent
    and complacent in creating and managing this crisis but he is happy with it?

    Thanks to him for joining in to tell Scotland what it must do.

    Should the name opposition be changed to the Tory Reserve team.

  27. Old Pete says:

    Think anyone that voted ‘No’ in the Scottish independence referendum in 2014 are to blame for Scotland being dominated and shackled to England. The Scottish government are performing the best they can with one hand tied behind their back.
    There can be no doubt the Scottish government would have introduced close down and quarantine measures at the start, long before the English Tory government have allowed us to.

    So I think the as I have stated above ‘No’ voters have effectively placed Scotland under the Tory English governments control which has massively contributed to many, many of the deaths in Scotland.

    Nicola Sturgeon not for the first time has shown herself to be the best and most effective leader of any government within the UK. Just wish all the Scots who voted ‘No’ would realise their disastrous ‘mistake’, sadly very few have.

  28. I`m afraid in 2014 the British Nationalists in Scotland signed up to,

    Take England

    to be my master,to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death do us part.

  29. Mike d says:

    Ottomanboi 8.55am. ‘England says jump and half our population is happy without a care for the consequences’. A fact till the day i shuffle off this mortal coil, i will never get my effin head around.

  30. Millennium says:

    Effijy 9.27am

    Heard that Welsh prick the other day spouting shit about the four Nations should be as one, and whatever england does, the rest of us should also do.

    Don’t even know the guys name, but comes across as a right fuckin Unionist wanker.

    Wales will never gain Independence with english lapdogs like him running the show.

    Wales seems to be even closer to England now than I can ever remember it being in the past.

  31. Mike d says:

    Millenium. Wales will never gain independence because they will soon be bred out and assimilated into greater england.

  32. Mike d says:

    I’ve got a welsh friend, he loves wales, flies his welsh flag, but votes tory and for brexit. I know, i know , but see my post at 9.35am.

  33. galamcennalath says:

    galamcennalath says:
    26 January, 2020 at 2:21 pm

    Whatever expectations for 2020 we had, anyone had, I suspect the Wuhan virus will completely disrupt.

    All the indications are this virus spreads easily, is contagious before symptoms appear, has an incubation period of up to two weeks, and kills a lot of people who contract it. I can’t help but feel the world might be in line for a 1918 Spanish Flu event, or worse. I hope not, but the signs are bad.

    So, AUOB marches, conferences, street stalls, campaigning, an IndyRef2, in the midst of pandemic? Nae chance. Constitutional issues won’t (and shouldn’t) be foremost in folks thinking.

    Trade talks? If Boris had any sense ( which he doesn’t ) he’d cancel Brexit before Friday!

    Grim times ahead, I genuinely fear.

    Seems now like I must have had a premonition that day!

    Thing is, if that’s the impression I was getting from reading international media, why did UK decision makers not see what was coming?

    Things could have been better. The UK got a heads up and a head start. Action should have been earlier. 50k have died in excess of expected annual treads. This is ALL directly or indirectly attributable to Covid-19.

    But consider, things could have been a lot worse. If Johnson/Cummings had pursued some mad ‘herd immunity’ strategy, or even just delayed lockdown further, the NHS could have been overwhelmed and mortality spiralled as sick people couldn’t access medical help.

    John(son) Bull is still risking disaster. The UK probably has the highest death rate per million on the planet. Which of course is because the UK was one of the worst governments on the planet! Swivel eyed ideologues driven by nationalistic exceptionalism does not make good crisis managers.

  34. Ottomanboi says:

    @Mike d
    All about confidence; an exceedingly fragile quality. Cultures can be stripped of it so easily and it requires much effort to restore. My ancestral cultures were robbed by outsiders of the sense of self worth. I know what those outsiders are capable of and how they groom insiders to do their work.
    Freedom is revolutionary. Effectively it restores duties, obligations and responsibilities to the people, shock and horror!
    Why would anyone want that? Better to have big nannie do the stuff for you.
    During this Covid-19 thingy we’ve had that mentality in spades.
    The notions of freedom sends many to the hills, or to the lavatory.

  35. Dog biscuit says:

    Old Pete as I recall at the start of this’crisis’Nicola Sturgeon was for Herd Immunity which I think was the right call but the media seems to have bounced them into current course of action.

  36. Dog biscuit says:

    Wales is not a Nation

  37. Golfnut says:

    @ Dog biscuit.
    ‘ I recall Nicola was for ‘ herd immunity ‘

    Maybe you could point us to where you recall that from.

  38. Republicofscotland says:

    Bang on Chris yet again, this do it together garbage must be ended via independence.

  39. PacMan says:

    Dog biscuit says: 9 May, 2020 at 10:18 am

    Old Pete as I recall at the start of this’crisis’Nicola Sturgeon was for Herd Immunity which I think was the right call but the media seems to have bounced them into current course of action.

    I’d be very interested if you could please supply a link to this.

  40. Republicofscotland says:

    “Dog biscuit says:
    9 May, 2020 at 10:24 am

    “Wales is not a Nation”

    Dog Biscuit.

    “Wales was officially recognised as a country in December 2011 by the influential International Organisation for Standardisation (ISO) – but it hasn’t really been a Principality for hundreds of years.”

  41. robbo says:

    Golfnut says:
    9 May, 2020 at 10:28 am
    @ Dog biscuit.
    ‘ I recall Nicola was for ‘ herd immunity ‘

    PacMan says:
    9 May, 2020 at 10:30 am
    Dog biscuit says: 9 May, 2020 at 10:18 am


    Don’t expect an ans. Just the same old NS bad, SNP bad from this yoon.

    He’s for Indy my arse- i’m sticking with that cos that’s my opinion!

  42. PacMan says:

    Breeks says: 9 May, 2020 at 8:28 am

    Now the UK has [finally] decided to quarantine the airports, you have to wonder if that’s happening only now to stop more COV19 coming in to the UK, or the contagion getting out and spread to parts of the world who have already dealt with it.

    Excellent cartoon once again.

    As the UK has now become the worst affected part of Europe, I wonder what these ones how now vote Tory will feel now that they won’t now be able to get their cheap holiday to Spain?

    In no way they should be seen as sneering. As someone on a moderate income myself and haven’t been abroad for years due to focusing on more essential financial commitments, the Med is where only I could only afford to go.

    As always, those that are too thick and arrogant to look at the big picture and not realise that bad things will happen to them eventually messes it up for the rest of us.

  43. Dog biscuit says:

    Golfnut Pacman sorry Im unable to provide link. Robbo,stick all that childish ‘yoon’ nonsense up yir arse. Youre s Government shill.In a dictatorship the most oppressive are youre neighbours.In Missouri a freedom of info request outed 900people who had ratted on their neighbours. Robbo the mad curtain twitcher. Youtube Styhexenhammer 666.

  44. Pete says:

    Read a summary from The Lancet by an epidemiologist (a Prof- can’t remember his name) who reckons that, at the end of this, we will all have had this disease to some extent or another,with varying degrees of outcomes from zero to death and, all that the lockdown will do is to string out the length of this process. As a non economics person, he reckons that, as the health services are operating at a low level of capacity, it would be better to end lockdown now and speed up the process and spare the nation the dire economic consequences and, health consequences, of needless bankrupting the nation.
    I fully agree.

  45. Dog biscuit says:

    It might offend you to hear another opinion but it wont injure you. Theres a strong Government linr on covid being pushed here.Thers still the vital issue of freedom at stake and we are still chasing each other round the houses over an exagerrated flu virus. Its frightening that people may be influenced by the shitebag Government shills on here. I suppose by arguing among ourselves about covid ,restrictions and chickenfeed gender politics, we are not a threat to the Windsor regime.

  46. Brilliant cartoon Chris – really sums it all up perfectly.

    Had to laugh – the BBC website round up of saturday’s papers shows a picture of the red arrows fly past yesterday from an unusual angle, in mild flight ( possibly taken from a helicopter? ). Front page of the ‘I’ newspaper.

    It only shows three of the planes and they are trailing only blue and white vapour…
    seems to be missing the red bit…

    Didn’t they tell us that they can’t do blue and white flypasts?

  47. Ron Maclean says:

    ‘Nation: 1. large number of people of mainly common descent, language, history etc., usu. inhabiting a territory bounded by defined limits and forming a society under one government;’
    Concise Oxford Dictionary

    Wales seems to satisfy that definition comfortably.

  48. jfngw says:

    @Effigy 9:27

    I suspect this is the new Labour leader telling his underling to get back in line and follow Westminster’s lead, why else the sudden change of direction. The Labour leader is not a Knight of the Realm for being a socialist, he’s a Tory like Blair (or as Thatcher described Blair, a patriot, this is a Tory definition of patriot, patriotic to the 1%).

    They are preparing for the Tories being defeated after the Covid shambles by having the reserve team on standby, ready to continue basically the same policies.

  49. Socrates MacSporran says:

    Much as I admire the optimism of those on here looking forward to a Tory defeat once the pandemic scare is over, can I suggest they calm down.

    With an 80-seat majority in the HoC, the Tory party can settle down for a lengthy spell on the government benches there. Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas and it would take a very-serious crisis for them to throw away that advantage.

    I can see Bumbling Boris stepping down on health grounds!!! There might be a palace revolution which would see him ousted, but, they would simply elect another leader and carry-on as before. That new leader, for instance, could be Gormless Gove.

    With the hit the economy is set to take from Covid-19, and the length of time it will probably take to have a vaccine ready, they cannot afford to let Scotland go – regardless of any SNP landslide in next year’s Holyrood Elections (which may yet be put back).

    So, unless we Scots are prepared to get behind a Joanne Cherry-led assault on the Union, via the Constitutional Court, I can see us having to settle down for a lengthy spell of Tory rule.

    And, even if the do lose the next Westminster Election, the likelihood is, a Tory-lite Labour Party, led by Starmer, pretty much saying Keep Calm and Carry On and, No, you Scots cannot have a referendum.

  50. bipod says:

    Nicola sturgeon did by and large agree with the UK govs policy of herd immunity back in early/mid march. She likes to appear like she is a calm and cautious leader but she has been lead by the nose by boris johnson throughout this “crisis”

    Interesting article by the bbc suggests that England can start to come out of lockdown because it has achieved a level of herd immunity whereas Scotland has not and faces months more of economic carnage and facist, and economically destructive, social distancing policies.

  51. ronnie anderson says:

    I see the Trollies are still spouting shit on here .

    You never miss Chris Nail Hammer Head .

    Stay safe Peoples X .

  52. Ian Brotherhood says:

    Just a robot in the park, ‘politely’ warning citizens to keep their distance from one another.

  53. Ian Brotherhood says:

    @FOWingsScot is a new and genuine twitter account. It’s not Rev’s, it’s ours. So please join, share, the usual…

  54. Flower of Scotland says:

    Great cartoon Chris! Have shared on Facebook where lots of folk get their politics too.

    @Ian Brotherhood 11.58am. I am doing just that, Ian.

  55. Dorothy Devine says:

    Ian Brotherhood , bloody creepy – gives me spider shivers .

    But as a matter of interest , what would happen if someone ‘accidentally’ kicked it over – or do folk in Singapore not do that sort of thing?

  56. Liz g says:

    There’s Wings, and there’s Wingers….
    And on Twitter it’s our turn 🙂
    Join up and follow @FOWingsSco and tell all yer friend’s

  57. robbo says:

    bipod says:
    9 May, 2020 at 11:47 am

    Interesting article by the bbc suggests that England can start to come out of lockdown because it has achieved a level of herd immunity (deleted shite), whereas Scotland has not and faces months more of economic carnage and facist, and economically destructive, social distancing policies.

    Go hame if yi don’t like it here!

  58. Sharny Dubs says:

    Socrates @11:44.

    Aye and the present woke SNP high hiedians will only be too happy to go along with that and stuff their already bulging pockets with even more expense account gruel.

    Give our Nicola more time to buff up her EU and UN credentials for her exit strategy, job done. Ferk Scotland.

  59. galamcennalath says:

    Does anyone believe Covid-19 is less dangerous than the Spanish Flu of 1918/19?

    1) There was no lockdown and SF ran out of control killing 250k in the UK. CV19 has directly killed 40k during lockdown when ‘only’ a small percentage of the population has had it.

    2) 1918, most people actually died of bacterial secondary infections. We now have antibiotics.

    3) Now, hospitalised CV19 victims are given oxygen. The worst cases get intensive care. Neither was available in 1918.

    If Covid-19 had been allowed to run wild (and some actually considered this acceptable) the NHS would have been overwhelmed and modern medicine would have been unavailable to most. Mortality would have been much higher than it is. The numbers who could have died could have been enormous.

  60. Papko says:

    “Take England
    to be my master,to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death do us part.”

    I prefer to see it as renewal of the marriage vow.

  61. Doug says:

    Excellent cartoon. Hamish should kick Bull in the balls then drown the bastard.

  62. Baldeagle58 says:

    Re the Welsh insisting on a four nation approach to this situation.
    This report was from yesterday’s (8/5/20) National.

    WELSH First Minister Mark Drakeford’s office has written to the Westminster press lobby to remind them Boris Johnson’s lockdown announcement will apply to England only.

    In an “unprecedented” move, the FM’s senior press officer stressed to reporters that power to ease or toughen lockdown restrictions in Wales lie with the Welsh Government, not Westminster.

    The officer wrote: “We would ask that it is made very clear in reporting that any decisions the UK Government take and subsequently announce relate to England only.

    “I’ve attached a document explaining the legal and constitutional position in Wales – hope that helps.

    “We would be very grateful if you could circulate this to the lobby. We would be more than happy to answer any questions they have.”

    The letter comes after frustrations over how the UK media has reported on lockdown measures in the devolved nations.

    Some news outlets had written that the UK Government would decide when schools return but failed to mention that education was devolved, and therefore Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland would each determine when pupils go back into classrooms.

    So, what is it Welsh Assembly? You can’t have it both ways.

  63. dramfineday says:

    Ha,ha, Chris VG.

    Fancy adding Jack and Mundell as Punch and Judy in the background? “That’s the way to do it” in suitable squeaky and servile voices, of course.

  64. bipod says:


    We don’t know the exact numbers but many predict that millions of people in the UK must have already had the virus to produce 30,000 deaths.

    The Spanish flu mainly killed younger people, and it seems to be the opposite with covid so I don’t know how far we can take the comparisons.

    The NHS wasn’t overwhelmed and the hospitals are now so empty that the doctors are concerned. I don’t know what the Scottish gov is waiting for but they cannot keep this lockdown up forever.

  65. winifred mccartney says:

    I keep hearing about 4 nations – who are they. As far as I know NI is not a nation, Wales is not a nation so that leaves 2. Am I wrong?

  66. Dog biscuit says:

    What a cheeck invoking William Wallace the half cut Australian version.Oh and telling people to’Go hame if you don’t like it here’! is bordering on rascist.Are you the shining knight of Independence?

  67. robbo says:

    What cheek invoking the William Wallace? What planet are you on!

    I think you’ll find you don’t understand the meaning of that word racist dog .
    I’ve lived in many countries and when i don’t like living there after a while, i go home.Home is where the heart is after all.

    I’ve never seen YOU posting anything close to being for INDY ever! All NS bad, SNP bad,Scot Gov bad, just everything all bad!

    ScotGov may not get everything right and I don’t agree with all their polices,but there the Gov of my country which i voted for.
    You’re a fraud i’m certain.

  68. Clapper57 says:

    BBC breaking news now tweeting :

    “Italy’s death toll from the coronavirus passes 30,000, the highest in the EU”.

    But hey BBC let’s not forget the UKnotOK passed the 30,000 mark on Wednesday….highest in Europe.

    But hey say the BBC we are no longer focusing on Europe but the EU and the UKnotOK no longer in the EU…so, we the BBC , we gonna focus on EU members death tolls Ok Ja……

    So tell me someone/anyone WHY if we are no longer in the EU are the BBC focusing on highest deaths in the EU and not, as before, focusing on highest deaths in Europe…where I believe the UKnotOK is still considered as being within…..and noted as having THE……..HIGHEST deaths within… and this very info reported EVEN by the BBC this week und last week…Hmm….I wonder.

    Can YOU see what they are doing children ?

    We are now talking about the EU….do keep up say the BBC….we are fighting a propaganda war here.

    EU……Europe…TomAHto…ToMAYto…as far as BBC concerned tis best to call the whole thing…OFF…no more comparisons with THEM…i.e. Europe…Nein…EU…Si…UKnotOK….we stand alone…Yes.

    BUT…there’s more…

    For the MAIN BBC news in UKnotOK, well they also cannot possibly be expected as a public UKnotOK broadcaster to give us plebs a break down on ALL of the UKnotOK daily figures PER country…Duh…that will be a big fat NO ….aka reflect badly on Tory run NHS England and THEIR, the BBC’s, Tory masters..

    So children,if you watch BBC news and if you then want to calculate total deaths in England via this virus…you need a calculator….but remember no calculator required if you live in Scotland….BBC gives us separatists OUR total daily death figures…with great emphasis on Care Home deaths….with even greater emphasis on the Separatists government handling of…..via #SNPBAD on steroids obvs.

    Oh what a lovely war…another Victory in Europe ( or rather the EU if it’s the BBC reporting) for UKnotOK…thanks very much to the BBC being your ally….again….obvs.

  69. ScotsRenewables says:

    Liz g says:
    9 May, 2020 at 12:24 pm
    There’s Wings, and there’s Wingers….
    And on Twitter it’s our turn ?
    Join up and follow @FOWingsSco and tell all yer friend’s

    This account doesn’t exist

  70. Clapper57 says:

    Seems as if the Welsh FM is now somewhat emboldened….i.e. now that he has the ‘Intervention’ man behind him…..

    Strange a ‘Scottish’ ex Labour leader now advising a Welsh current Labour leader of a devolved parliament….I say strange…but actually further proof that for Labour it’s party first ALWAYS before your own country (of birth)….though for Gordon Brown…the country he was born in is not the country he has or EVER will support or indeed even recognise as a country.

    BTW…not suggesting for a minute that we should even consider getting help via advise from Gordon Brown….as I believe hindrance as opposed to help would ensue…and he would , to quote George Foulkes,” Do it deliberately”…hinder that is….Lol

  71. Clapper57 says:

    @ Me @ 2.14pm

    Last paragraph :

    word ‘advise from ‘…should be obvs ‘advice from ‘.

  72. callmedave says:

    Ah! Hamish is back and in trouble once more. 🙁

    BBC Figures and a UK figure from ‘The Sun’

    Scotland……….today…..36……Total……1847 …BBC
    N. Ireland……….no data..Total… data.

  73. Ian Brotherhood says:

    It’s @FOWingsScot


  74. robbo says:

    Here’s the uncut version of that taser incident seen on news today.
    These bozo’s have no idea wtf there doing. Like to see the copper who fired it get his hands behind his back after being shot by a 1000 volts.

    Bloody shocking, no warning given either!

  75. Capella says:

    @ ScotsRenewables. I can see it existing. I’m following it.

  76. robbo says:

    Goin by that link above Stu.Have you been gazumped

  77. Clapper57 says:

    Just seen a video of a VE street party yesterday where, using a long length of rope, neighbours in a street all (at a ‘safe’ distance…that’s OK then) holding onto the rope and singing Black Lace’s song ‘ Do the Conga ‘….while all doing the required dance movements as is customary with this popular (Lol) song which, as a song/dance, is usually played at ‘certain’ weddings and other celebrations….

    So now ‘Do the Conga’ has been elevated to represent a ‘victory’ song and celebrate mass deaths in a war apparently….wot we won..obvs…though with Brexit we won it with Trump’s America too..

    Remember the only victorious ‘U’s’ in WW2 are the ones that are the UK and USA….obvs.

    NOT the USSR…obvs….cause…reasons.

    So people….”Lest we forget”….”Do Do Do come on and do the conga”….the respect and dignity (B)oozes out…….

    Ps. Please do not “Do the conga” if you have had a friend or relative who has died of Corona virus……we can do that AFTER …when we celebrate our victory over Corona…..CVV (Corona Virus Victory) day !

  78. callmedave says:


    Thanks for that. 🙂

  79. callmedave says:

    More vital Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) will be manufactured in Scotland following the establishment of a new NHS Scotland supply chain.

    Worth a keek!

  80. Liz g says:

    robbo @ 2.56
    Of Course not 🙂

  81. Col.Blimp IV says:

    jfngw says:@ 8:53 am

    “…Here’s one, it is the 50th anniversary of Booby Moore being arrested in Bogota.”

    Happier days indeed – It almost made up for a Scotland failing to qualify for the finals.

    And there was no need to traverse the mine-field of sexual/gender politics.

    Where’s the bracelet

    Where’s the bracelet

    Where’s the brace-let, Bobby Moore

    It’s in yer handbag

    It’s in yer handbag

    You’re a Poo-fter Bobby Moore

  82. Liz g says:

    Capella @ 2.54
    Thanks for the link

  83. dakk says:

    I thought VE day was being celebrated in England because it had recently achieved the most Covid19 deaths in Europe and not to do with USSR prevailing against Nazi Germany in WW2.

    Either way, celebrating mass killings with street parties says it all about those people.

    I doubt if even the Nazis would be celebrating mass killings in this way if USSR and US hadn’t prevailed.

  84. terence callachan says:

    It has to be England
    You can’t say Britain or U.K. is doing things differently to Scotland anymore because it’s england that is out of step with everyone else.

    So many people are frightened to say England
    They substitute U.K. for England
    They say U.K. when they should say England
    They say Britain when they should say England
    And I don’t just mean people in England doing this
    Britnats do it across the board
    Weegingerdug does it all the time
    Frightened to blame england

    Well The Welsh first minister has said wales will decide when lockdown is ended in wales
    The Scottish first minister had said Scotland will decide when lockdown is ended in Scotland
    And people in NI have followed advice from Dublin and ignored Stormont copying Westminster’s advice

    It’s England that subjugated the people of Scotland wales and NI , they have moved so many English people to Scotland wales and NI that it’s almost impossible for the Scottish welsh and Irish people to decide matters in their own country , colonisation has weighed heavy on Scotland wales and NI as England tries to turn them all into a part of England .

    Scotland Wales and NI have their own national identities different to England and they won’t let go of their identities and bee turned into English counties.

    No matter how you look at it
    The cat is out the bag now

    England is to blame for this disaster , they cannot be outvoted
    They outnumber the rest
    They ignore the rest

    What Scotland wales NI vote for is ignored because it’s England’s majority that only ever counts

    Westminster controlled the response to this covid19 from the start and still do to a great extent
    They control the media so you only get to hear what Westminster wants you to hear

    They control the aviation
    So planes have been flying in and out of England wales Scotland NI throughout this epidemic

    They control railways
    So trains have been sending people all over the place too

    They control borders
    So there had been no planned coordinated action to prevent people arriving on planes from countries across the world including the worst affected by infection USA
    so people have been arriving here from across the world and then travelling on our public transport unhindered unchecked spreading the virus as they go , how could they not ?

    Scotland wales NI powerless to stop the idiotic decisions made by England’s Westminster

    It has to be england
    Only England is to blame for this farcical deadly situation
    It’s the people who live in England that voted this bunch of charlatans into government
    Only England

  85. Mike d says:

    Terence callachan. They are frightened to say the name ‘England ‘ as they will be called ‘untruthfuly so. Anti English bigots.

  86. Millennium says:

    Just heard on BBC news that it will quarentine new arrivals to the UK for 14; days,,,

    Then goes on to explain how this will devastate “Regional Airports”

    Question for the BBC,,,

    What is a “Regional Airport” and a “Non-Regional Airport”?

  87. CameronB Brodie says:

    Brexit dislocates British constitutionalism from the Natural Law. Constitutional law that is divorced from both empirical and historical reality, can not claim to hold legal virtue. Such a state of arbitrary constitutional legal order, is incompatible with the principles of “universality” and “equality in law”. This is more than a tad bad, on a number of fundamental levels.

    Remember, I’m not religious but that does not mean I disrespect religious faith. Though I do not include those who worship Euro-scepticism, which is the new pseudo-religion of British/English nationalist.

    Christian Moral Realism: Natural Law, Narrative, Virtue, and the Gospel

    This book describes the shape of a Christian ethic that arises from a conversation between contemporary accounts of natural law theory, narrative, and virtue ethics; and an insistence that any Christian ethic begin with a distinctively Christian description of reality.

    The key partners in this conversation are the leading Christian ethicists, Germain Grisez, Stanley Hauerwas, and Oliver O’Donovan. The ethic that emerges from this conversation seeks to resolve the tensions in Christian ethics between creation and eschatology, narrative and natural law, objectivity and relativity, the cultivation of virtue, and a focus on the resolution of moral dilemmas.

    In defence of its philosophical foundations, this book argues that a thoroughly realist ethic can respect the logical claim that no ‘ought’ can be derived from ‘is’. The book moves from this analytic foundation to conclude that worship lies at the heart of a theologically grounded ethic whose central concern is the flourishing of the whole human person in community with both one another and God.

    Christian ethics, natural law, virtue ethics, realist ethic, Germain Grisez, Stanley Hauerwas, Oliver O’Donovan, eschatology, moral dilemmas, worship

  88. terence callachan says:

    Mike d…3.52…. Probably

    The thing is
    I lived in England many many years , several parts , I have English friends , I miss many of my friends I had when I lived in England .

    I don’t hate england ,it’s not my country it can choose how it wants to live
    But I object to England bossing Scotland around telling us what we can and can’t do

    I don’t hate English people
    I don’t hate anyone at all

    There are bound to be as many nice people in England as anywhere else on the planet
    Logic says so

    But England does things differently from Scotland and seem to be content to boss and control Scotland which is unfair and has to be stopped
    If they don’t like it
    I will argue with them why it has to stop

    Scotland should be independent
    Hopefully a friendly neighbour
    But will england be friendly. .

  89. callmedave says:

    “Tragically 31587 Total deaths in the UK” says Shapps.


    1. No condolences
    2. No UK today figures spoken by him… as he quickly ploughs on to cycling and walking initiatives in England. FFS! 🙁

    Maybe Auntie will publish today’s official death total Hmmm!

    Jolly hockey-sticks!

  90. callmedave says:

    The BBC News red scrolling strip now showing. Not spoken yet!

    UK …today……346…….Total…….31587….BBC (all deaths)

  91. Morgatron says:

    Thanks Ian for the link to Craig latest , I had missed it. Cheers

  92. Fireproofjim says:

    According to the Sunday Times critical report on the Tory’s handling of the Coronavirus crisis, there had been 3.1 million passengers entering the U.K. through the airports since the lockdown started. None were checked in any way.
    Now they are talking about quarantining such passengers from the end of May. What a useless bunch of fools.
    Horse and stable door yet again.

  93. Dog biscuit says:

    If you’re not reading Craig Murreys blog and understanding his last two write ups in particular then you are sleepwalking into dictatorship. We are being blackmailed into an invasive State surveillance programme.You are crazy to give yourself up to that.I do not adress the usual numpty shills on here.I speak to you the lurker.You know who you are and you know we are in big trouble.Your instincts?

  94. MaggieC says:

    Interesting article from Financial Times re Uk entering worst recession for 300 years, Had to give the link to FT as the archive version doesn’t show the pictures , Amazing what England’s debt was in 1706 just before the Act of Union going by the graph picture .

    Funnily enough they don’t show between 1945 & 2020 also no figures showing from the 1970’s when we in Scotland found our oil . Ripped off again by Westminster.

  95. Mike d says:

    Dorothy devine 12.19pm. I knew a few lads in the divis flats who would have taken a sledgehammer to it. Lol.

  96. jfngw says:


    Let’s hope they’ve secured the domain name, someone has but it looks like a holding page just now (weirdly it has a map of Melbourne). ISP is a unfortunate acronym as it’s normally used for Internet Service Provider, it could get lost in a search engine.

  97. CameronB Brodie says:

    Ian Brotherhood @11:55am
    What, nae anti-personal missiles? 😉

  98. Graeme says:

    terence callachan says:
    9 May, 2020 at 4:07 pm

    Scotland should be independent
    Hopefully a friendly neighbour
    But will england be friendly. .


    England will never be a friendly neighbour, we will never be able to trust them,we never have, nobody trusts them, that’s not to say there aren’t friendly English people but as a nation they are poison

  99. Mike d says:

    Terence callachan 4.07pm .exactly, none of us have any gripe with the English people per se.(other than the occasional dickheads) .All we all want want for Scotland is what brexiteers wanted for England. Take our country back. And even my English grandkids are on our side.

  100. Republicofscotland says:

    The usual shit on STV the unionist shit channel it now carries nothing but a foreign country’s output (England) currently on the STV channel is a English football cup final from years ago.

    There’s not another country in the world that would stand for this destruction of its on culture via the tv, we’re a sorry bunch.

  101. Dog biscuit says:

    If you are forced to ‘social distance’ it is in fact more properly called physical distance.A phsical distance enforced by fear will,is already causing a break down in society with people frightened suspiciously body swerving each other. As lifers, when,if the Government sets you free you will be subject to recall.You will live life like prisoners on parole.That may be First Ministers vision for Scots but not mine.I want us to not only be a free people but also think like a free people.It is heartening when posters on here ask what should be welcome questions.Questions that are stonewalled or answered with an officious bloody link a smokescreen but sadly more often appeals to authority much evident in some posters. Social distancing makes politics undoable and that is the desired result.

  102. CameronB Brodie says:

    Dog biscuit
    Have you finished quacking?

    Normative Foundations of Global Health Law

  103. Republicofscotland says:

    If they’re not stealing our seas or plundering our assets Westminster is placing nuclear weapons close to our biggest city, and allowing nuclear subs and by other means to dump toxic waste in our lochs and hillsides.

    We have no navy, we have no airforce, we have no army because of this unholy union. We give all our taxes to a foreign country and in return we get pocket money back. We pay towards a foreign governments debts even though we don’t benefit from them in any way.

    We allow a foreign countrys monarchy to control our coastlines and in the process they reap huge amounts of wealth from it. We have absolutely no say in who can or can’t stay in Scotland, that’s left to a foreign countrys government to decide on a whim, we can’t even close our borders without a for country telling us its okay to do so.

    Our vital NHS gets financially what a foreign countrys government thinks it should get. We are forced to use a foreign countrys tender, seek help at a foreign countrys embassy abroad if need be. Our food and drinks sector find that sometimes they’re highly ranked produce is not promoted abroad or as British by a foreign country this foreign country’s security services spy on and produce propaganda against Scotland constantly.

    Our laws are stealthly being anglicised, our tv output has gone, and has been replaced by a foreign country’s, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Whats the point of sending SNP MP’s to Westminster. When they’re outvoted and ignored sending MSP’s to Westminster reinforces that you intend to play by their biased rules.

    Anyone not from Scotland and reading the above would think Scots are mad to put up with the status quo

  104. Stephen Armstrong says:

    This is UNIONISM!

  105. callmedave says:


    Polis darn Sarf in difficulties with folk in parks ignoring ‘advice’ and doing things in the sun.

    I think Boris bigged up expectations, the MSM boosted same message and it all fizzled out when the other 3 counties had a chat with him in the reconvened meeting this week that Boris had previously cancelled.

    First Q at the briefing to Shapps.

    Man up North 130 miles from Edinburgh and 200 miles to London asks.

    “What advice do I to follow, the FM of Scotland or the PM of England”?

    Folk down Sarf think it’s all over….Oh Wait!

    That was something else 🙂

    Anyhoo! Genie back in bottle is tough.

  106. Rm says:

    The Scottish government have to start its own advertising team, billboards everywhere, newspapers they’ll still take money for advertising doesn’t matter if their a unionist paper, local radio stations ect ect, let people know how bad it would be if a war started, the caronavirus is bad but if a war starts we have all that nuclear submarines and nuclear missiles in Scotland we’ll be the first hit, we have to let people know so they can protect their children and maybe their lives, people will soon want to end the Union to get rid of nuclear missiles and submarines from Scotland.

  107. callmedave says:

    3 countries not counties….Freudian slip! 🙂 FGS!

  108. Mike d says:

    Graeme 5.03pm remember that old Arab saying, its better to have an Englishman as an enemy than a friend. As a friend he’ll try and buy you, as a friend he’ll sell you.

  109. Mike d says:

    Sorry as an enemy he’ll try and buy you.

  110. Simon Curran says:

    Terence Callachan@4.07
    I think an independent Scotland might very well be the best thing for England. A progressive, forward looking democracy not harking back to a long lost empire or being subservient to a privileged elite would give voters in England an attractive alternative to what they have now.

  111. Mike d says:

    Republicofscotland 5.11pm. Culture? The only kultur that some in Scotland know is sports direct, x factor and gogglebox. Lol. Oh and the 12th.

  112. CameronB Brodie says:

    Simon Curran
    The problem is Simon, the Tories are ideologically opposed to the principles of “universality” and “equality in law”, so they are unable to support public health ethics and global health law. England tends to be a Tory nation and it’s culture has just had a narcissistic, post-colonial, breakdown. This is extremely bad for the prospects of access to justice in Scotland, and for the prospects of Scotland’s public health.

    If only Scotland’s government appreciated and respected the international rule-of-law.

    Pursuing Global Health with Justice: Review of Global Health Law

  113. Mike d says:

    Ps. Not knocking SD.

  114. msean says:

    Good one.

  115. Republicofscotland says:

    “Republicofscotland 5.11pm. Culture? The only kultur that some in Scotland know is sports direct, x factor and gogglebox. Lol. Oh and the 12th.”

    All prime examples of unionism, what do you expect when we do not control our media. I don’t know what history they get taught in schools today in Scotland, hopefully its Scottish history. In my day we were taught nothing of Scottish history or achievements I had to teach myself that as have many other Scots.

    Being part of this unfit union has greatly damage the Scottish psyche, into thinking we need England, and its Shakespeare works, and London centric celebrities, its tv programmes etc, they instilled a Scottish cringe within Scots that’s still there today.

  116. Ron Maclean says:

    ‘Independence for Scotland Party launches ahead of 2021 election’
    The National

  117. Graeme says:

    The day we convince the English we’re a partnership of equals is the day they’ll bin us

  118. Sarah says:

    @ Ron Maclean: and the leader Colette Walker is an [ex] SNP member who competed with Rhiannon Spear to be woman’s convener. Colette signed the Women’s pledge whereas R Spear signed a different pledge. Interesting.

    Well I’m glad something is happening – I am despairing at having to wait for Westminster to agree we can even ask ourselves a question. Let’s hope this new party’s existence will stimulate some more urgency by SNP.

    I would have liked a different name for the new party – something more like Regain Scotland’s Independence Party.

  119. So they are going to make people go into quarantines so who is going to check them for 14days???the answer is stop all flights coming in altogether it’s common sense if you don’t like lockdown go out and catch the virus and die it’s as easy as that

  120. Papko says:

    “Being part of this unfit union has greatly damage the Scottish psyche, into thinking we need England, and its Shakespeare works, and London centric celebrities, its tv programmes etc, they instilled a Scottish cringe within Scots that’s still there today”

    We will still celebrate Shakespeare’s works long after we have independence. Indeed the Bard will have a major pace in our theatres, (there will off course be new plays by our working class playwrights as well).

    The future is bright, the future is orange.

  121. Ron Maclean says:

    So far the ISP is only putting forward candidates for list seats.

  122. bipod says:

    There are a surpising number of posters here who do their best to shut down any questioning of the tory lockdown narrative (aided and abetted by nicola sturgeon), while at the same time claiming they are anti tory. Something going on there I think.

  123. Dog biscuit says:

    Quick as they come there CBB.

  124. Dog biscuit says:

    List seats? Papko, whats that psychedelic jungle juice like?

  125. bipod says:

    Except people can’t go about their normal lifes without being stopped by the neo facist police Scotland. Under 45s make up less than 1% of all covid 19 deaths in the UK, if you are in that age range the chances of you actually dying if you caught it are miniscule. With that in mind it doesn’t make any sense to place them under house arrest for months. The young, fit and healthy should be allowed to go out and back to work. The people in vulnerable groups should voluntarily isolate themselves.

  126. ScotsRenewables says:

    bipod says:
    9 May, 2020 at 7:32 pm
    Except people can’t go about their normal lifes without being stopped by the neo facist police Scotland. Under 45s make up less than 1% of all covid 19 deaths in the UK, if you are in that age range the chances of you actually dying if you caught it are miniscule.

    Do you really not get it? No-one cares if you die, that’s your choice. Passing the disease on to a dozen other people is not acceptable though, and that is what is going to happen with your attitude.

    You can’t go about your normal life because things aren’t normal, geddit?

    Indy supporters are by and large not selfish gits. Are you sure you are on the right site?

  127. Sarah says:

    @ Ron Maclean: I’m happy with the new party being region list only. That leaves SNP for constituency seats and gains [fingers crossed] numbers of pro-independence list MSPs, as the Rev advocated, if say 15% of SNP list votes change to the ISP. Colin Dunn links to an article on here on September 18th 2019 that runs through the figures.

  128. Pete says:

    This goes beyond party politics.
    I am a Brexiteer Right wing Tory and I am totally against this house arrest policy.
    Brilliant article in today’s Daily Mail (I know, I know)but this Dr John Lee destroys the reasons for lockdown.
    Hold your nose and have a read. You might like it.

  129. Colin Alexander says:

    Oor Nicola, head of the British Colonial Govt for Scotland says: Gie up the campaigning for Scotland’s freedom.

    To quote somedy mair eloquent than me:

    “And I keep on fighting for the things I want
    Though I know that when you’re dead you can’t
    But I’d rather be a free man in my grave
    Than living as a puppet or a slave”*

    Whit a shame Nicola and the SNP don’t feel the same way.

    *Jimmy Cliff, The Harder They Come

  130. Ron Maclean says:

    @Sarah 7:45pm

    I agree the more pro-independence MSPs the better. I’m trying to convince myself that it’s too early to be sceptical.

  131. robbo says:

    ScotsRenewables says:
    9 May, 2020 at 7:44 pm

    bipod says:
    9 May, 2020 at 7:32 pm


    Him, The Dog and Pete have never been on the right site.

  132. CameronB Brodie says:

    “I am a Brexiteer Right wing Tory and I am totally against this house arrest policy.”

    I’d suggest this displays a complete lack of ethical or practical reason, empathy for others, respect for constitutional justice, or even a modicum of human decency. I still marvel at the short-sighted and self-centered arrogance of the right-wing mind, though the consequences of allowing these fannies anywhere near power are no laughing matter, and must be glaringly obvious to all.

    Tory policies tend to be exclusionary and discriminatory in nature, and kill in an indiscriminate manner. Simples.

    Global Health Justice and the Right to Health.

  133. CameronB Brodie says:

    At least Pete has the decency to admit he’s a wank, unlike dave. 😉

    Health Law as Social Justice

  134. Dorothy Devine says:

    Mike d , I was thinking there might be a few folk who would happily sabotage it. I find it distinctly repellent.

  135. Joe says:

    I strongly suspect that Scotland will have to go through some hell before enough people become aware of the dangers facing them.

    If in fact you are somehow enough of a masochist to be happy under the kind of legislation that is being thought up by our wonderful progressive government, and don’t give a hoot as to its lasting effects then I can assure you of something –

    If the Scottish government gets its way for long enough Westminster will make hay with the backlash that is created. Whether Westminster want such laws in England also is immaterial. They will allow the progressive so-called-nationalists to sicken the ordinary Scots so badly that ‘a return to normal’ will be seen as a godsend.

    Scots will have given the impression that they cannot rule themselves without reverting to sick, twisted, upside down thinking that destroys the rights of free speech and individual soveriegnty.

    Politics in Scotland is currently like a shite football match. Both teams just seem to be unable to score.

    All it takes is the right move at the right time to win the game.

    Who do you think is further forward in this background planning?

    Even if Alex Salmond does come back in guns blazing and destroys the poisonous progressive totalitarians that tried to stitch him up there are now a significant chunk of so-called-nationalists who will put progressivism before nationalism and simply wont ‘work with a misogynistic old white man’. Because as i’ve been saying – they are not nationalists. They are globalist socialists (the useful idiots of neoliberal capitalism).

    You are literally up against military intelligence and secretive establishment groups that think 10 to 20 years ahead fairly effectively. I don’t want to sound too insulting but many Scottish Independence supporters refused to believe that the SNP weren’t putting independence as a priority despite the SNP themselves actually saying it. Its not much of a contest.

    The answer? A more confrontational form of nationalism that hammers home how much better a country we are and can be without resorting to limp wristed ‘oh im a nationalist but I don’t like the word nationalist because its not really inclusive’.

    You have to make Scots feel GOOD about being Scottish. You have to promote being Scottish without the poor victim, please give us our EU back and please consider our right to choose shite.

    That is a long way off however. The current brand of Scottish nationalism is a wet blanket. If it got any more pathetic it would be only acceptable to the kind of guy who makes sure his wife’s lover is furnished with a properly hot cup of tea when done.

    Now we are encouraged to celebrate everybody else and their myriad of religious and sexual persuasions as primary concern. We have to celebrate Scotland and Scots.

    A lot of pain to come before that becomes the general zeitgeist though. We have been taught that weakness and passiveness are some sort of virtue and its settled in.

  136. CameronB Brodie says:

    ” If it got any more pathetic it would be only acceptable to the kind of guy who makes sure his wife’s lover is furnished with a properly hot cup of tea when done.

    That’s funny but not in a good way. ;(


  137. ben madigan says:

    I’m pleased about the new Independence party and wish it every success.
    Some of you were mentioning the age-old reasons for Scottish independence.
    Here they are again, maybe I should update them with the Westminster’s atrocious handling of the Coronavirus pandemic

  138. CameronB Brodie says:

    The jingoistic inter-weaving of the VE day celebrations with the covid crisis, simply adds to the alarming number of indicators that Brexitania is a fascist state. Well, the rule-of-law can not survive without regard to Natural Law. Brexit is an totalitarian rejection of Natural Law principles.

    The concept of social justice appeared in international law a century ago, in the aftermath of the bloodbath of the First World War, in the form of a solemn declaration in 1919 included in the Treaty of Versailles, which continues to be enshrined in the Preamble of the Constitution of the International Labour Organization:

    Universal and lasting peace can be established only if it is based upon social justice.

  139. cirsium says:

    That cartoon says it all, Chris. Definitely time to end this Union.

    @Ian Brotherhood, 2.47

    Thanks for the Friends of Wings twitter site – Reasons to be cheerful.

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