Wings Over Scotland

Tinto Chiel says: at 10:05 pm

“Serious question for you, though. We used to hear accusations of “Blood & Soil nationalism” whenever folk like Alf Baird suggested restricting a future referendum franchise to native Scots. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Germany restrict any voting beyond council/local authority and EU elections to German nationals?”
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Yes that’s almost right.

Anyone resident in Germany has the right to vote when it concerns/affects the everyday running of their local/wider administrations.

Towns/villages/council authorities and larger council areas. People who look after your being as an individual.

The 16 States (Länder such as Bavaria, Hessen, Hamburg, Saxony etc.) and the Federal elections for the German Parliament, the Bundestag, are however reserved for German Nationals. People with German Citizenship. They make decisions and represent the State as a whole even if they do often broach individual Rights.

When I lived in Denmark it was just the same.

Alf Baird is quite correct in his thinking because he’s more or less made the case for the same type of voting system that Germany and Denmark use. HOW you vote needs to be looked at as well.

The snag is, Scotland is not (yet) an independent nation and can’t restrict the voting to Scottish Nationals/citizens.

So, cough up the 600,000 quid Nicola gal and get your finger out. 🙂
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“Och, Graf (aka #Foghorn Boy), you’re such a spoilsport where Dim’n’Don are concerned ? .”

They’re just dimwitted Brit Nat fodder for the WINGS grinder.

BTW, sorry for the delay but I had to finish an economic evaluation report for a new construction project.

The United Kindom of England..*/?!!

Another of the world beating gems from our resident Brit Nat, sensible Dave. 🙂

Hi Guys
I’m looking for a bit of help with a video I’m making Brian Doonthetoon helped me yesterday so I’m hoping someone can help me again,

I’m looking for an image I remember seeing of a wee girl holding up a saltire and beside her were a couple of knuckledraggers holding a union jack, I’m sure it also featured on the front of Iscot magazine, I’m hunted for that image everywhere and I just can’t find it.

If anyone knows where it is can you post a link it would be much appreciated

Hi Fishy Wullie.

You may find this of interest…

link to sites.google.com

Robert Knight

…. A few things

1. We could call ourselves whatever we like. Remember, to all but a few nut jobs, United Kingdom is just a place, not a thing.

2. Why would you care?

3. We certainly wouldn’t care what your view would be.

4. Greenland isn’t very Green.

3. We certainly wouldn’t care what your view would be….

Come on guys, just ignore the troll.

Now somebody’s going have to wipe up all that English exceptionalism before somebody stands in it.

@Graf: thanks for that information. As you say, Denmark’s rules are the same and it just happened to be one of the EU states I checked regarding its electoral procedures for non-nationals.

It must be great being sovereign and doing something about it (listening, Nikla?), eh?

Incidentally, Anders Holch Povlsen is a Dane and owns more of Scotland than anyone else (over 200,000 acres) but I doubt very much that I, as a foreigner, would be able to hoover up great tracts of Denmark in such a manner. That’s what happens when you don’t control your own country’s resources.

Instead the FM takes advice from the man who manages the Duke of Buccleuch’s huge estates in Scotland. Graeme McCormick of Annual Ground Tax fame doesn’t get a look in, I’m afraid.

Breeks says:
1 July, 2021 at 7:58 am

Come on guys, just ignore the troll.

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Sinister Dave is more than just a troll.

Trolls don’t usually hang about for decades.

Brian Doonthetoon once again to the rescue, now all I need is next weeks winning lottery numbers and we’re done 🙂

Thanks Brian

@Breeks

This is a reply to your comment on 29 June, 2021 at 2:47 am for which I put aside due to getting busy.

You are correct in my opinion about the actual minimal differences between different races. Just take a little African kid and raise them as a Scot and you will have everything there except for some slight racial distinctions.

However as far as I understand it, it doesn’t take much difference in the averages of large groups for small differences to become amplified into cultural trends and life outcomes. This is something that feminists were trying to deny until the trans cult came along and used the same biology denying methods against women.

Dan made an excellent post on the evolution of the different human races to differing environments which called for different strengths to be augmented and certain weaknesses weeded out.

However I have to say that im not so bothered one way or the other. I never used to even see race. I also used to have the normal overly welcoming attitude of many Scots to all cultures and religions.

This changed because I realised a couple of major problems, that initially I wanted to ignore, or reject out of emotion because it was against the way I wanted to see the world.

1 – just because we don’t want to see ourselves as a distinct ethnicity and nation (people) while we are happy to rub shoulders with different races and cultures doesn’t mean others will share this view. People from poorer parts of the world aren’t coming here to create ethnic and cultural harmony. They are coming here because it makes sense for them to be in a place with greater standard of living regardless of the diminished amount of available housing, jobs, services, welfare and everything else for our own poor.

If cultural harmony is somehow achieved it is by accident rather than design. People from different groups prefer communities of their own people on average and often will have huge in-group preferences which will extend to business and politics. This while we actually often work with an out group preference.

2 – there is an active geopolitical move enabled by governments, NGO’s, big business and other players to bring a never ending stream of non Europeans into Europe regardless of the effects on native born Europeans. In fact if you listen to certain bigger name Zionists you will hear the occasional admission that it is their wish for European nations to lose their homogeneity and for Europeans in general to be completely mixed with people from all over the world.

Yup. I can almost feel the scorn at that paragraph from certain people.

This is advertised as some sort of beautiful new world of diversity and harmony but its purpose is anything but. Again the trans issue should, in anyone with a brain, be a warning to how our political and financial el-ites could use a situation where a once homogenous country is then balkanised.

I took a walk in Edinburgh a few months ago and I couldn’t help notice the massive increase in Africans there. Ok, that in itself may not trouble a reasonable person you think.

Alright, but I wish I could have taken a photo of this – there were about 7 or 8 African guys sitting around or milling about a certain area, behaving quite peacefully. However behind them was an entire window wall emblazoned with BLM propaganda, fists raised in the air etc. That picture would have spoken 10,000 words if I had the means to take it.

The people who are being brought here are going to be weaponised against us politically and culturally. We can see this by the constant attention to injustices committed against blacks and others thousands of miles from Scottish shores. Injustices most Scots, including the much maligned Unionists, find repulsive.

We as Scots, indeed as Europeans, are being scolded for our awareness of our heritage and ethnicity while everyone, including those with extremely backward worldviews are being protected, promoted and encouraged to strengthen their view of themselves being distinct from us.

@everyone else

And just for fun to poke the screeching bedwetters lets hear it from the devil himself:

“Yes, Germany was back then a democracy, before us and we’ve been plundered and squeezed dry. No more. What does democracy or authoritarian state mean for those international hyenas? They don’t care at all! They are only interested in one thing. Are you willing to be plundered? Yes or no? Are you stupid enough to keep quiet in the process? Yes or no? And, when a democracy is stupid enough not to stand up, then it is good! But when an authoritarian state declares “You do not plunder our people any longer”, neither from the inside or outside, then that is bad. In reality, money rules in these countries. They talk about press freedom when in fact these newspapers have one owner and the owner is, in any case, the sponsor. This press then shapes public opinion, these political parties don’t have any differences at all, like before with us. You already know the old political parties. They were all the same. Then people must think that especially in these countries of freedom and wealth, there should exist a very comfortable life for its people, but the opposite is the case. In these countries, in the so-called “Democracies”, the people are by no means the main focus of attention. What really matters is the existence of this group of “Democracy makers”. That is, the existence of a few hundred of giant capitalists who own all the factories and shares and who, ultimately, lead the people. They are not interested at all in the great mass of people, they are the only ones who can be addressed as international elements because they conduct their business everywhere. It is a small, rootless, international clique that is turning the people against each other, that does not want them to have peace.”

Dave Somerville says:
1 July, 2021 at 9:21 am
Ruby

If I were you, I would leave the so called Troll alone.

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But you are not me so you can stick your advice & abuse where the sun don’t shine.

Cheers!

Dave Somerville says:

But this guy has got you sussed, and knows that the more numpties like you he catches, the longer he will hang around, leading you down roads you don’t really want to go down.

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The question is why does he want to catch people? Is he just some evil c*nt who gets his rocks off trying to catch people out?

What is the root cause of his sinister actions?

Sinister Dave has been here for 10 years! How many times in those 10 years has he been ignored?

Ignoring this particular troll doesn’t work?

Dave Somerville says

This guy casts his fishing rod out every day hoping to catch a numpty gatekeeper Nat, and he always manages to get one of those numpties to bite.

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What is ‘a numpty gatekeeper Nat’?

Who are these ‘numpty gatekeeper Nats”
I can’t be the only one. Can you name names?

There must be a fair number to have kept “Sinister Dave” hanging around for ten years.

Another passionate indy supporter has died (and there will be many more under Sturgeon the Betrayers latest tenure) Jim Lynch was an editor of the monthly newspaper the Scottish Independent.

Sturgeon the Betrayer had the audacity, to say she was so sad on his passing, and here I was thinking the royals were the lowest part of a snakes belly.

Manchester’s mayor Andy Burnham, in a poll found that seven in ten Labour members would prefer him as leader to the millionaire knight of the realm Sir Keir Starmer, however Burnham isn’t an MP, and could not stand stand in any possible Labour leaders contest.

Of course his spat with Sturgeon the Betrayer did his reputation no harm at all, pity then the current SNP MSPs/MPs are a gutless lot and won’t stand up to the Betrayer, if they did we might even think more of them, though at present we couldn’t think any less of them.

“Sensible Dave” ‘my efforts to educate and inform’

L O L

What a wanker.

James

….. its a tough calling, but I feel it is my destiny to help wherever I can. Like any missionary, I have to accept that some of the natives may not fully appreciate or understand how their lives are being enhanced by my presence – but I carry the heavy burden with a jaunty and stoic conviction.

Sensible Dave says: at 11:32 am

“James

….. its a tough calling, but I feel it is my destiny to help wherever I can. Like any missionary, I have to accept that some of the natives may not fully appreciate or understand how their lives are being enhanced by my presence – but I carry the heavy burden with a jaunty and stoic conviction.”
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destiny, missionary, natives, enhanced by my presence. 🙂 🙂

Oh dear me, he’s taken the step over the edge to religious enlightenment now..!

You’d be better off nipping down to your local foodbank, they need someone like you with some loaves of bread and fish to “conjure” up meals for the really needy in our society.

And take Don and the other stand-in comedian Dave Somerville (you?) with you.

youtube.com/watch?v=1mcCLm_LwpE

Trying again….

Captain Yossarian; “ I don’t know if anyone is following the Miami apartment block collapse…”

Very much so. It seems to have fallen down quite neatly on its own footprint, which was lucky, I suppose.

In other completely unrelated news, rumours suggesting John Mcafee had a condo in the Miami building are circulating…

I see J.o.e is now supporting his opinions on race and culture with Hitler quotes. I formally express my disapproval… for the record.

Strange days indeed.

Graf Midgehunter says:
1 July, 2021 at 12:33 pm

destiny, missionary, natives, enhanced by my presence. 🙂 🙂

Oh dear me, he’s taken the step over the edge to religious enlightenment now..!

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Taking an in depth look at ‘Sinister Dave’ is very interesting.

I wonder what a criminal profiler would make of him.

Graf 12.23

You wrote “You’d be better off nipping down to your local foodbank, they need someone like you with some loaves of bread and fish to “conjure” up meals for the really needy in our society.”

…. its sort of what I am metaphorically doing Graffy!. Man cannot live on bread alone.

I know you think you are not learning from me – but I feel you are making good progress … and one day you will look back to these dark times and thank the Lord that your Superman equivalent, Sensible Dave, was there to guide you to the light.

Robert Knight

… as with Graffy, it is difficult for you when your most basic thoughts about stuff are challenged and crumble.

Of course Scottish Independence has “something to do with me”! Unless or until Scotland ever does become an Independent country, the folk that make the laws over me come, from every constituency in the UK, including Scotland. A Scottish MP has the same degree of power over me as the MP for my constituency in God’s country.

And, not wanting to keep banging on about it (because money isn’t everything), me and my neighbours down here are paying for your free prescriptions and free university educations – so of course we like to check in to see how you are progressing.

Sturgeon the Betrayer of Scots, and EU citizens, doesn’t do AUOB or indy marches, no, she just has their organisers imprisoned.

Sturgeon the betrayer does do LGBTI+ marches, and in previous marches she can be seen waving and smiling and chatting away. Glasgow’s Pride march has been moved to September this year to allow it to be a physical event.

Expect to see the Betrayer once again smiling and waving and chatting away at the march, after all she champions their cause ahead of the rest of society or independence.

Can you please sign this petition to have crimes recorded as per natal sex?
Rape means penetrated by a penis.
Women do not have penises.
Thanks.
link to petitions.parliament.scot

Its been revealed that the grandson of the most prolific state sponger in history, Prince William has visited Faslane naval base.

The unionist royals have been working overtime in Scotland to try and save this farcical union, aided and abetted by England’s Tory government as Sturgeon the Betrayer does nothing on the indyfront.

Far from withdrawing their nukes from Faslane, which is just thirty-miles from Scotland’s largest city, the English government has began constructing of a training facility at the base.

Johnson’s government hasn’t skipped a beat with regards to Covid, whilst Sturgeon the Betrayer has used Covid of late to do nothing on the indyfront.

Anyone else noticed the amount of English accents now on the streets of Scotland. The Home Office has kept Scotland’s population small and manageable just the way they want it, so there must’ve been quite an influx of English settlers to Scotland when their accents are so prevalent.

I suppose its a bit like the Israeli settlers moving in on the occupied Palestinians, without the violence of course, but still, the colonisation of Scotland never stops.

Of course our Scottish culture has been suppressed for centuries, and most Scots don’t even notice it, or are too stupid to understand what’s really going on. The UN estimates that there are around five and a half million Palestinians still in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, I bet their culture is still intact, yet ours in tatters.

I’m no fan of the unionist leaning GMB, but I have to agree with Glasgow’s GMB leader Gary Smith that its a joke that the COP26 is coming to the city. A city that is filthy, with bins overflowing rats running wild in the streets, meanwhile the SNP ran city council, ( and I thought Tammany hall ended with Labours control of the city) is closing down umpteen libraries and community rooms, the streets are crumbling and the roads are full of potholes.

New cycle lanes have been created all over the city costing millions and many folk think that they were poorly thought out, the word is though that they were only put in place for the COP26 meeting so that the world’s dignitaries will pat Sturgeon the Betrayer on the back and say what a good job she’s doing, after the meeting is over the cycle lanes might also be cut.

English accent = posh accent.
Difficult to distinguish between posh English & Posh Scottish.

We probably don’t have a huge problem with racism in Edinburgh but we certainly have a problem with discrimination on the grounds of class.

Weird that it’s never discussed.

I reckon a lot of these posh ‘Scottish’ think being Scottish is common hence the reason they want to be British.

@ ROS

Craig Dalzell looked at new population growth figures last week.

link to twitter.com

Plus here’s a link to ONS stats on migration which is a long page but has some interesting stuff.

link to ons.gov.uk

Test post of above ONS link to see if tinying the link works…

tinyurl.com/sp9np9zv

Apologies as I can’t remember who posted the original link, but I watched the documentary “The Spider’s Web – Britain’s Second Empire” on YouTube and it was quite revealing how the financialisation of the UK following the collapse of the British Empire has led to de-industrialisation and the flight of capital to offshore tax havens, facilitated by a system of government based on privilege and patronage which seeks to maximise tax avoidance for an elite at the public’s expense.

We are essentially being ruled by robber barons who are starving public services of funds whilst secreting money away in off-shore accounts to aid and abet a global network of fraud and criminality. The breakdown in public services is all too evident whilst the privileged elite – excessively wealthy individuals and multinationals like Amazon – pay no or very little tax. And was this not the purpose of Brexit? To protect these tax havens from scrutiny and accountability?

How easily the people are fooled as the world slips into global totalitarianism to maintain this neo-liberal system of funnelling wealth to the rich and protecting their ill-gotten gains as society and the environment crumbles around us. And this is portrayed as a system of benevolence and largesse!

The City of London is at the heart of this financial deceit and sleight of hand which is why Scottish independence frightens the horses so much – it risks pulling the carpet away from under their feet.

“I fear you may have become radicalised sir.”

Really Dave, so you don’t think Scotland’s culture and history has been suppressed for centuries in favour of that of England’s and by default its people.

You don’ think that the UK terrestrial channels carry predominately English content, infact they carry that much English content, that even Gordon Brown said that Coronation Street will save the union.

If anything Dave Scots aren’t radicalised enough, of course we’re not supposed to speak out in this manner its portrayed as anti-English by the media and even the union loving SNP, its akin to speaking out against the Israelis and being branded anti-Semitic.

Again as people attempt to raise genuine concerns regarding the effect of immigration to our country our culture and our independence the usual veiled and some not so veiled accusations of racist, bigot, natzi or blood and soil nationalist is thrown about.

Why are people not allowed to have their own opinions, why does the so called progressive opinion carry so much more weight, why is there so much focus, empathy and priority given to incomers when we have so much deprivation within our own citizenry

What makes a refugee who has travelled through numerous safe countries to get to Scotland more deserving than our own citizens of social housing, social health and welfare benefits or any other assistance

I abhor and revile the continuous UK interference in other countries business , interference ranging from financial corruption to open subversive operations designed to destabilise governments , interference which is causing and amplifying mass movements of people from their own countries and creating the refugee situation which is unsustainable

With sturgeon opening up consultations to anyone from around the world that wants a say or opinion on pertinent and impactful legislation to Scottish citizens, should we now consider ourselves to be at the mercy of any minority interest group that can skew the numbers to their advantage
Are our rules and regulations going to be decided and acted upon at the behest of non Scots

I listened to the co-convener of the greens being interviewed on the news about crossover cooperation with the sturgeon junta , she appeared quite excited that the greens were now in a position to apply force to the sturgeon junta for policies which the greens have a vested interest in, I am under the impression the lady is from Canada that bastion of wokeness so it is good that she has imported a little bit of their progressive enlightenment with herself to educate the natives in the proper woke way forward

The colonising and eradication of Scots, their history and culture is well under way , we will be citizens of nowhere and everywhere

@ twathater

link to twitter.com

Another “New Scot” here…

link to archive.is

A bit more on that particular character’s history.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

So Johnson’s Tory government are to install a eight storey-high, yes you read it correctly a eight-storey high, Union Jack flag bang smack in the heart of Cardiff city centre.

The Welsh have already set up a petition to stop it.

@ ROS

Here’s archived link.

link to archive.is

It can be annoying when the queue is long for archiving.
Top Tip, you can copy the link whilst it’s saving and then strip out the /wip part. 😉

@Charles Hodgson (7.07) –

‘Hazmat Hatuey joins the conspiracy theorists. Worra turnup for the turnip!’

🙂

Hatuey can’t help himself.

You just have to mention anything even vaguely virus-related and he’s in there like a shot.

Song for Hatuey…

link to youtube.com

Thanks Brian and Dan.

Liz g @ 7:42 pm

“No representation without taxation”

A vote on the self-determination or independence of a defined ‘people’ and nation has little to do with taxation.

In many former plundered colonies most of the natives lived in poverty and hence were unable to pay much if any tax. Something like a third of Scots live in or close to poverty. Their liberation is not about taxation.

I am confident that if I worked in a Pharmacy by the beach, I could assume who did not come in for suncream, so your statement is suspect.

But what are you assuming? Suppose a black person came in to buy sun cream for his partner….

I could go on, but can’t be bothered, cos the nonsense is already clear enough. You continue to work towards your ultimate non-prejudicial stalemate…

Nobody has mentioned non-prejudicial stalemate except you, largely because it is total nonsense. Those kids weren’t being educated for any non-prejudicial stalemate. They were being educated to recognise how stupid, ignorant, and lacking in foundation a totally irrational and arbitrary prejudice could be, and to further spare a thought for the victim.

If you don’t teach your kids to recognise the evils of prejudice, then don’t be surprised when they grow up to be narrow minded bigots and racists who strut about Glasgow banging big bass drums and looking like they’re mentally subnormal.

@John Main – “the innate hard-wired tendency of humans to be tribal”. I spent a few years in Libya, just prior to the war there. There were two distinct factions – the Gadaffis and the anti-Gadaffis.

Ironically, when Gadaffi was alive everything was peaceful and there were hardly any police in evidence anywhere. They both disliked each other to the extent that they wouldn’t even sit around the same table at a meeting.

Gadaffi gave all Libyans guns thirty years ago when he was afraid that the Americans were going to invade. The Libyans held-on to these guns and kept them under their beds. As soon as the war started, they brought them out and have been shooting at each other ever since.

What we have in Glasgow, on a worldwide scale anyway, is really nothing serious.

Just hearing that england fans traveling from UK are banned from entering Italy for their game on Saturday against Ukraine.

Best of luck with that one Mr Italian policeman.

And did I mention that Ukraine is my most favourite team, (as Del Boy would say).

C’mon Ukraine!!!

Please check the 5 mins of the latest edition of UK Column, from 1hr25mins on.

The 5 minutes in question show what senior staff in Scottish schools are being told re ‘anti-vax’ propaganda, and details the horrors it may produce in the minds of our children.

Please bear in mind that this stuff isn’t being aimed at the children themselves – it’s directed squarely at those charged with their ‘education’ on a day-to-day basis (i.e. when the schools are actually open).

(PS The segment starting at 1hr16, about legal action against the head of the WHO in India, is also well worth a watch – you certainly won’t be seeing it on the BBC anytime soon.)

link to ukcolumn.org

“You just have to mention anything even vaguely virus-related and he’s in there like a shot.”

The virus debate is essentially over. The pro-disease crackpots lost.

The skirmish was part of a wider war that’s being waged on several fronts right now against science. The vaccine debate, the gender debate, the race debate, amongst others, they all hinge on a rejection of basic science and once universally accepted truths.

As far as Mcafee and the so-called conspiracies surrounding his life and death are concerned, I’d recommend people pay more attention to the facts. It’s a fact that he said he’d never commit suicide. It’s also a fact that he said he had been threatened but that he had information that would be released in the event of his death.

The collapse of a building that he allegedly owned an apartment in, the day after his suspicious death, ought to raise eyebrows. He had basically declared war on the Clintons, claimed to have all sorts of information on them, and seemed poised recently to name names with regards to the death of Epstein.

It’s a much more interesting pile of smouldering rubble than Scottish politics, although that also collapsed suspiciously on its own footprint…

Will. 12.40am

The whole stinkin lot of them have took a leaf out of their leaders handbook.

From your local councillor to Holyrood and Westminster, they are all in it for the money.

They know Independence would upset the gravy train.

So the plan is to string the Indy line out for as long as possible.

And Sturgeon has the other half involved, so their income is massive, along with the limousine lifestyle and the City mansion.

No need to spend a coin on anything.

She is also perfectly placed to push through her Pervy Trans laws and other hated Bills that have absolutely nothing to do with Scottish Independence.

And I still say my wee prayer every night, hoping the perverted Lezzy bastard wakes up deed one morning.

twathater says:
“Whilst conversely Cameron and the tories who don’t give a shit what anyone thinks about fairness or democratic representation acted in a way they thought would benefit their aims by blocking EU citizens from the brexshit vote thus lowering their chance of defeat , tories will do anything to WIN with no guilt or compassion.”

You believe Cameron wanted LEAVE to succeed and therefore be compelled to resign his Premiership?!!!

You should get together with Hazmat Hatuey. The warm summer nights will fly by.

Dave Somerville 10:26 pm

You wrote “And did I mention that Ukraine is my most favourite team, (as Del Boy would say).”

Haha! Love it. This is one area where anti-English comments are 100% allowable.

Hopefully, your favourite team struggle and lose 4-3 with Mr Yarmelenko (of the mighty Hammers) scoring a hat trick.

As a fervent England supporter as well as a long time Wings supporter, I am very excited about the potential prospects for comments on this subject in the coming days. Fingers crossed.

PS Anyone but Murray!

Sinister Dave is completely insane!

I am disappointed you did not respond to my example showing the innate hard-wired tendency of humans to be tribal. You would have to explain why, if that is such a bad thing, every race and culture on earth exhibits this trait. It is almost as if it confers some evolutionary advantage in the struggle for survival…

Because there are two sides to this trait.

For arguments sake, let’s suppose the intensely “tribal” sensations you can experience in modern times is in contact sport, say rugby, Aussie rules, where you are in a “team” or “tribe”.

While the match is in progress, you embrace the tactics of the battlefield, probing and exploiting their weaknesses, mitigating and nullifying their strengths. There is frequently no quarter asked for or given, and the “warriors” are investing everything of themselves for the good of the tribe.

But when the final whistle goes, the rivalry is at an end. The differences are (usually) settled, and paradoxically, even losing narrowly to a superior team which should have thrashed you but couldn’t, is more rewarding than walking all over a greatly inferior team.

And then there’s another twist. When you’re good at your “art”, you get selected to go forward to representative matches, and suddenly there you are, teammates with the very people you looked upon as enemies the weekend before. The best of your tribe and the best of the enemy tribe has come together to face off against a “new” challenge to the tribe.

In my personal experience, it didn’t matter a jot whether your teammates were white, black, Asian, Chinese or sometimes part gorilla.

Your warrior spirit “tribalism” was thus managed, turned into a discipline that you could turn on and off like a switch.

The tribalism which you describe John Main sounds to me like an undisciplined tribalism, more of a stunted development, a potential which could have been steered into something positive but was left feral to go to waste.

I always found very, very little prejudice amongst actual players, and less and less prejudice the better they got. There was more visceral hatred in the crowds than on the pitch. Just look at that appalling jeering of the wee German lassie in tears because Germany was losing. This is the same tribe, but NOT the same tribalism as exists between the players on the pitch.

As a society, we need to teach kids to have that discipline within themselves, that judgement and understanding is an infinitely superior philosophy to live by than ignorance and prejudice. Competitive sports is a great educator for so much more than sport.

The irony I suppose, is that some people will think that I’m a bleeding heart liberal advocating giving everybody a vote come IndyRef2, but that’s not what I’m saying. I’m actually in the “other” tribe, who thinks only Scottish citizens of Scottish Nationality should be given a vote, not because of favouritism or prejudice, but because the fate of Scotland should be decided by Scots Nationals.

The point I’m trying to make, is do it correctly, and those excluded or denied a vote will understand, and not feel slighted or cheated by their exclusion, because this is Scotland and the UK, and we must realise there WILL be elements in both tribes who will “jeer at wee girls”, and piss in the punch bowl for badness, just to cause trouble.

For a long time I have advocated a Constitutional/ Legal defence of Scotland’s Sovereign Constitution, even where that lay at odds with democracy, but I also cautioned that the biggest threat to a Constitutional resolution, the best way to make it fail, was to thrust it on the people without warning or build up.

The greatest failure of the SNP, (and don’t even mention the absurdity of Nicola Sturgeon), the BIG mistake is that even now, the whole issue of Scotland’s Constitution, the lawful popular sovereignty of the people, is still unknown to the vast majority of the Scottish electorate, when we need that population word perfect on the text. To many of “us” are seduced by the fallacies of Westminster colonialism and their assertion that Scotland was extinguished by the Union.

We are NOT developing that knowledge as a discipline amongst our people, and we should be. It’s a game changer, but to succeed, the principle must be steered through a series of Herculean challenges, Scotland’s enemies WILL seek to portray our Nation’s self defence as bigoted tribal prejudice, and frankly, the SNP doesn’t seem remotely up to the job. It feels like we’d be putting our greatest weapon into the hands of our dumbest amateurs.

Effigy 8.15

You wrote “I can pretty much always understand peoples perspective when opposed to mine but what the hell are English voters seeing or refusing to see in Bojo?”

In England, at the last election, we had two choices of potential Prime Minister. Johnson or Corbyn. As we have discussed before, we chose the least worse.

As an aside, its a bit rich criticising English voters when, in the run up to the last election, most of the comments here were about how corrupt, ("Tractor" - Ed)ous and useless Ms Sturgeon and the SNP were … and folk from here then voted SNP 1!?!?!?

…. give me a break sir.

Liz g @ 10:40 pm

“I said that those who would be *eligible *to pay tax in Scotland are the ones who should vote.”

Eligibility to pay tax is only one element of the national balance sheet. You forget that under colonialism much of the national assets and resources in a nation are plundered by ‘offshore’ entities. Think of land, energy, and the many largely self-regulating offshore monopolies merrily exploiting Scotland and its people, mostly tax free.

In any other country the eligibility to vote in national referendums and national elections is restricted only to the ‘nationals’ of that country. Eligibility to pay tax in a country is a quite different matter. What Scotland needs to do is to define who its ‘national’s are, which then determines the ‘national’ referendum/election franchise. That is not a difficult task, most countries are able to do it.

The Scottish referendum franchise used in 2014 was a local government franchise which would be unlawful for national referendums in all other countries.

OT – just seen Kit Kat Mhairi’s latest video to WM.

Had to switch the volume off due to her bullshit, but what was interesting was her eyes.

Bright and glassy, like she’s running a fever.

What a dissapointment she’s become.

Can I refer you also to Iain Lawson’s latest article today – it provides some stats for the true state of play with regards crimes against Transgender persons in Scotland.

Kind regards to all.

Effigy 9.28

… the alternative was a Corbyn/McDonnell double act.

Two people that have publicly stated their desire to end capitalism …. the only economic system that has proven to improve the health and wealth of its citizens.

Socialism has shown itself to fail every single time it has been tried. Every single time. Usually, it also ends with tyrannical despots killing its citizens by the million too.

The good folk of England (and Scotland I assume) will never vote for a socialist government again. So, the likes of Corbyn make “anyone else” the preferred option I’m afraid.

I note you didn’t comment on the “Vote SNP 1” line here on wings (whilst everyone wrote screeds about how corrupt Sturgeon was/is, the Scottish Government was/is, the Scottish Judiciary was/is, the the Scottish Police was/is.)

…. so, no lectures from you on this subject please.

ScotsRenewables says:
2 July, 2021 at 9:40 am
Republicofscotland says:
1 July, 2021 at 4:12 pm
Anyone else noticed the amount of English accents now on the streets of Scotland.
Listen wankpiece, I still have an English accent and I have lived here for 55 years.

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Are you able to tell me what an ‘English’ accent is?

There are many accents in England.

Does English accent mean ‘posh accent’?

Perhaps the increase in ‘English’ accents is due to the increase in staycations combined with the activists from ‘The Union Unit’ here to try to save the precious Union.

‘Saffron Robe’ complained about the number of 4×4’s on the streets of Glasgow.

Perhaps the two are connected. Perhaps all these lord & ladies with ‘English accents’ who donated to ‘Scotland in Union’ have decided to follow the royals in their efforts to save the precious Union. I believe their prince visited the plebs in Glasgow.

Missionaries coming to Scotland in their 4×4’s.

While the ‘Insane Dave’ missionary is restricted to posting on Wings where after ten years he has had only one convert. Another mental poster called Dave.

Hopefully ‘ScotsRenewables’ won’t be a second. I’m pretty sure he just had a bit of a ‘snowflake moment’ and after 55 years living in Scotland he won’t start ranting on about anti-English (whatever that is)

My view of what is meant by an ‘English’ accent is a ‘plummy post accent’ they could be ‘English’ or ‘Scottish’.

My view of what is mean by ‘English’ is arrogant people with the ‘plummy posh accent’ & racists who are members of the EDL & other similar organisations. They too probably have an accent but it ain’t posh however both groups have similar views on immigration.

Everyone else in England I would describe as Gordies, Brummies, Yorkies, etc. same applies to their accents. Officially they would all be British with ‘British accents’ 😉

I’ve asked ‘Mental Dave the Missionary’ who claims to be here to educate us natives to define what he means by ‘anti-English’ but he has failed to answer.

‘The Union Unit’ might need to recruit a more informed missionary.

So, “Social justice committee wants to hear from unpaid carers about impact of carer’s allowance”, link to archive.is

But there’s not enough money to pay the people who kept public facilities and services running during the pandemic, because they are “not on a par with health workers so could not expect a similar offer”. link to grumpyscottishman.wordpress.com

The public purse is not bottomless but if your going to “manage expectations” then telling a group that they’re not as worthy as another group doesn’t win many prizes other than “Buffoon of the Week”.

Thank you Alf Baird @ 9.12 a.m. for that sane and excellent comment. The point you make indicates how Bojo’s attempt to enfranchise Scots outside Scotland for Indyref2 could backfire on him. To do that there would need to be a legally defined and recognisable criterion for who is a Scot.

The obvious way to achieve this, and perhaps the only way to gain clear international recognition for it, would be to establish a register of Scottish citizens.

Those wishing to register as Scots would still have to meet agreed-upon criteria which would make them eligible for obtaining such citizenship. There would certainly be plenty of arguments around these criteria: How much does place of birth count? Or present residence (and/or length thereof)? Or eligibility to pay taxes to the Scottish government, and so on. But even that conversation, aimed at fixing the criteria that would be legally necessary, would be a very worthwhile exercise, not least in raising consciousness.

While the UK still exists, it would already start a re-conceptualization of the nature of the UK which certain Unionists would resist on purely pragmatic grounds, because they would see it as threatening their (virulently anti-independence) agenda, but which other, more reasonable supporters of the Union – including large masses of the general public throughout the UK – would support.

After all, the Bill that brought in the register would simply be recognising that there are Scottish citizens of the UK. This, in turn, would lead to many English people claiming their right to be recognised as English citizens of the UK. With the rise in English nationalism, it is natural that most English people would want this. So too, similarly, and respectively, with Welsh and Northern Irish citizens of the UK.

Bojo may have unwittingly unleashed something that he will not, in the long run, be able to control. His cronies started running the hare of the ‘Four Nations UK’. That hare actually contradicts the history of how the UK came into existence, and in so doing it undermines the true nature of the Union, by implicitly overturning its historical and legal – and therefore constitutional – foundations.

The hare was false, but they were the dogs that ran it – so, now, they will have to try and catch up with it. But, let me warn them, any time I ever went to the dogs – (alas, no more!) – the dogs never caught the hare.

Not even once.

So, too late for me to warn them… The hare has gone, and the dogs are chasing after it, and you know what – who ever heard of a ‘nation’ that did not have any citizens? Or who were citizens only of another entity, and not of their own nation? For the UK to consist of four nations, the nationals of each of the component nations must have the right to be citizens of their nation. Hence, the UK will consist of Scottish citizens (citizens of Scotland), Welsh citizens (citizens of Wales), Northern Irish citizens (citizens of Northern Ireland) and English citizens (citizens of England).

There you have it – paradoxically, I have done the modern Unionists’ job for them. They say they want a new UK, which they call a ‘new Act of Union’, as if such a thing were possible; it clearly isn’t, unless you abolish history. But what I am suggesting is possible, providing a foundational blueprint for a new UK which stands on the legal and constitutional reality we have inherited, developing it but not abolishing it.

It also has the advantage that it forces people to choose. They can’t be all these things – English, Welsh, Northern Irish and Scottish – at the same time. If they could, there would be no difference at all between the 4 nations, and no union would be possible between them (for the very notion of a union requires at least two different entities to exist, for them to be able to unite with each other).

Everyone from these four nations will be in the UK, with various rights and responsibilities that devolve therefrom. To that extent they will be citizens of the UK, while still retaining the specificity of being citizens of whichever one of the four nations they belong to, or opt for.

This also clears up the obvious ambiguity between the UK and England which currently causes so much confusion, with the consequence that the whole concept of the UK becomes a mass of contradictions, resulting in a morass of internally inconsistent and irreconcilable attitudes and positions.

The UK is NOT England, and the two terms are NOT interchangeable.

Likewise with Britain, which is a geographical and not a political concept. As is also true of the terms ‘Britain’, ‘Great Britain’ and the ‘British Isles’. All these terms are simply geographical. None of them are synonymous with the ‘UK’, which is a purely political idea.

The term ‘nation’ is a political concept as well, but insofar as nations are identified with the land they occupy, it is also a territorial and therefore a geographical concept. Wales is the land of the Welsh, England the land of the English and Scotland the land of the Scots.

Northern Ireland, of course, has its own well-known peculiarities. These make it difficult to continue the mantra (which remains self-evident for England, Scotland and Wales) without a host of qualifications, so we will leave it at that!

These Northern Irish peculiarities, and the difficulties arising from them, also expose some of the weakness and historical and legal falsity of the ‘4 nations’ hare which our Unionist friends are running. However, they ran it, and imposed it all over our media, so we’ll just leave it to them to huff and puff and try to catch it, though they never will.

Once you let the genie out the bottle, you can never stuff it back in. ‘Jins’ (genies) are spiritual things (‘spirits’, literally); so, they tend to have a life of their own which our material reality can never quite capture. Especially when you release them into the (political) atmosphere, as our Unionist friends have done.

Nations can’t exist without having citizens. If there are four nations in a union called the UK, then there must be 4 distinct citizenships within that UK. In present circumstances, anyone with one of these 4 citizenships rightfully claims a UK passport and thus citizenship of the UK as well.

Of course, since Unions are voluntary, any one of the 4 nations currently in the Union could decide to leave that union and set up on its own, as a fully independent country, doing so by means and procedures which accord with international law.

So… what’s not to like about it? If Boris and Co are the dogs that released the hare thinking they could manipulate and thus control it, it is not going to be our fault when the hare outruns them all! And flashes past the winning post while leaving all of them panting in him behind.

Any time I went to the dogs, the real winner – first past the post, with the lights flashing – was always the hare. Never the dogs. So… so be it.

Where does ‘Dave the Misogynistic Abusive Bully’ get his information about me and how I voted?

I think ‘Dave the Misogynistic Abusive Bully’ might be as ‘off his trolley’ as ‘Dave the Mental Paranoid English Missionary”

I’m pretty sure there are plenty ‘sensible’ Daves out there but these two ain’t it!

Or, to change the metaphor and put it another way, those who love throwing their home-made bombs into the independence debate, in order to prevent independence and get the results they want, are likely to end up hoist by there own petard.

Hoist, that is, on their own joist.

The (artificial) joist they put up to support their flimsy building might just be the very thing to bring the whole shaky construction come tumbling down around them. A Union supported by fake joists is not going to last for long.

(I am emphatically NOT an engineer, but others more equipped than me who often post on this site can comment on that one, if they wish! Maybe the Captain will advise us on how to bolster his Union in order to prevent it from crashing to the ground or, indeed, sinking into it?)

Under present circumstances, those on the new register would be Scottish citizens of the UK. But then, as citizens of Scotland, Scots would always be able to exercise their collective sovereignty.

That sovereignty inheres within us, the people of Scotland, anyway, and it always has. It cannot in fact be lost or legally usurped, or made to magically disappear. However, many obstacles currently stand in our way of effectively exercising it, and they are used against us. Scottish citizenship, which many of us have always wanted, will go a long way towards overcoming these obstacles.

With citizenship of Scotland established on clearly defined principles, and all Scots clearly registered as such, no one will ever again be able to stop the sovereign people from exercising and using their sovereignty. Well, no doubt, there will be those who still try to do so – but they won’t ever again succeed in the way that they have so often done in the past, and are still currently doing…

Who is a Scot? is a real question. And it needs a real, reasoned, properly thought through response, above all from Scots themselves. Not some faked-up answer written by a political chancer, on the back of the modern equivalent of a fag packet, deluding himself that his supposedly clever spur-of-the-moment excuse for a thought will get him whatever he wants by keeping Scotland down.

We have had enough of that kind of stuff. And even though the ‘4 Nations Union idea’ of our Unionist pals is just such a faked-up excuse-for-a-thought, why not turn it on its head? Why not use it, as described in my previous post, as a means to bring all the issues back to the legal, political, historical and constitutional realities that are actually at stake here? Since our friends are insisting on it, why not use it to get all the mileage out of it that we can? Why not let their hare run, these dogs (!), especially insofar as it can help us get the real agenda over the line first?

“The choice at the Holyrood election was either voting for a Scottish Party or a British Party.”

Is there any difference nowadays?

In a city, it’s said that you’re never more than 6 feet away from a rat.

On these blog comments, you’re never more than 6 replies away from a Dave.

Have a look if you don’t believe me.

Mist001

😉

Sensible Dave says:
2 July, 2021 at 2:31 pm
Mist001

😉

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Oh la la!
Mist getting big winks from DTMPEM!!!

Is Mist001 another member of “Dave the Mental Paranoid English Missionary’s” gang?

Mist001 says:
2 July, 2021 at 2:48 pm
No, I’m not a part of anyones gang.

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It look as if “Dave the Mental Paranoid English Missionary”

is trying to groom you!

Breeks

Thanks for your response.

I guess there is sport, and then there is real life. Some people would like them to be the same thing, some people even believe they are the same thing.

I don’t.

“Scotland’s enemies WILL seek to portray our Nation’s self defence as bigoted tribal prejudice”

Maybes. Can’t see why that should get in our way though. Maybes countries should be just a little like people in this respect – the best revenge on your enemies is to live well.

Well ladies and gentlemen, quod erat demonstrandum, as they say, I rest my case, a case that I put forward yesterday, as did Alasdair Gray almost a decade ago that, if you question the creeping colonisation of Scotland by folk from England, you end up being insulted and called all manner of names, as has become accustom in many cases when you question Israeli action against the Palestinian people for more than seventy-years, one has to wonder is there a correlation between the two.

Of course we lost the 2014 indyref, not because Scots voted no, no we lost due to mainly folk from other parts of the UK, residing in Scotland voting no. This statement of fact will probably be read by some as anti-something or other, and translated into petty insults as in above.

“The only reason that Scotland is not now an Independent country – is because the majority of Scottish voters voted against the proposition in the referendum. To paraphrase, the People of Scotland spoke and made it clear that they would not be dragged out of the Union against their will.”

Dave @2.58pm.

Dave, how long have you been noising for up on the website, it must be years I think, yet you haven’t bothered your backside to do your homework as usual.

Scottish voters didn’t in their majority didn’t vote no in 2014, they voted yes, it was folk from the rest of the UK that swung it for no.

link to archive.is

Dave I don’t even know why I’m replying to this mince, I can’t even take you seriously, and I’m sure many other commentors in here feel the same.

Robert Graham 3.33

Now I’m not a medical professional … but my spidey senses are detecting dangerous levels of stress.

Pack up your stuff, get in the motor, drive down here and we can have a game of croquet and high tea? You’ll enjoy the warmer climate whilst also chillin’ (if you see what I mean).

RoS 3.51

My apologies RoS.

Instead of using a handy phrase like “scottish voters” I should have said people that are entitled to vote in the referendum in Scotland – according to a commenter posting under the name Republicofscotland.

My bad.

Perhaps when Wings has agreed what “scottish” means we can all communicate much better.

Just to get you all working together, could all those that agree with RoS on the absolute definition of what Scottish means (excluding you Ruby), say Aye!

Hard to disagree with a single word of this statement.

link to indyposterboy.scot

I notice the con artist who is masquerading as a Independence supporter on La La Land is still pushing the fairytale about the current SNP crop of Liars wanting a Independent Scotland aye the old ones are the best ones same shit different day .

The latest load of crap is Oh look what that English government are doing now Yada yada while totally missing the point , they are only doing exactly what they want because there is no fight in this SNP no resistance no fkn bottle and no hope of anything close to there being a Indyref2 in our lifetime while that fkr Sturgeon is in charge

Wakey Wakey La La people it ain’t fkn happening under her leadership are you people that fkn stupid can’t you see you have been had and fooled big time you might as well all go and do something that actually makes sense like flower arranging or Knitting or even have a conversation with a tree or a nice plant .because that’s about your level of intelligence .

Aye, Colin Dunn aka Indyposterboy / Zarkwan has put in an epic shift producing an amazing array of info-graphics to help Yes folk and groups campaign with.

Compare his archives of material to the likes of this account that hasn’t tweeted in 4 months, and you maybe begin to understand him taking a break…

link to twitter.com

On a more positive note, a pal sent me a picture of Greenock Town Hall earlier today.

It is *huge*!

If Alba attendees exceed the 700 Alex Salmond and his team have provisionally booked for (bug restrictions permitting, naturally) then there’s clearly plenty of room for more. Now’s mibbe the time to think about organising wee ‘break-out’ groups or fringe meetings.

😉

Interesting but pretty weird conversation about what an English accent is and what being anti-English is.

1) Just like Scotland, there are many types of English accent but every native of these islands can distinguish almost all of them from a Scottish one, and vice versa. It matters not if it is posh English or broad Brummie, Orcadian or Lowland (or indeed posh Scot). I am no linguist so cannot talk about the technical why but I don’t see why that matters. Of course quite a few Scots have English accents but not many the other way round. Despite that, most people with English accents are English. To someone outwith the UK, both English and Scottish accents have enough similarities to be called ‘British’ and can be mostly indistinguishable to an unaccustomed ear (shock horror!).

2) Anti-English is someone who doesn’t like a person simply because they are English regardless of anything else. But it may be a mistake if they feel that way about an English accented Scot but don’t know they are Scottish. That becomes an interesting conundrum. I have a Scottish friend who has experienced this bigotry in Scotland despite being Scottish and living their all his life. It sometimes feels you cannot really be Scottish if you have an English accent. I have another friend who was brought up in Motherwell and has a Scottish mother and English father (he came up from England as young child). He had a terrible time at school because initially he had an English accent, though that changed over time, and so very much identified with his English side and moved south as soon a he could. So you now have a half Scottish raving anti-Scot with a Scottish accent. Mad, especially as I don’t know anyone else personally in England who is anti-Scottish.

Sorry if this is all a bit obvious but the question was asked by Ruby.

Oh and finally re Corbyn / Johnson and England. I voted for Corbyn and would never vote for the Tories, let alone a complete tosser like Johnson so Sensible Dave is talking shite about ‘England voting’ as if he talks for us all. And in 2017 Corbyn ran May very close. Sensible Dave is a Tory. If he weren’t he wouldn’t have voted for them in 2019 (especially with the archest of privileged Tories in charge), as he could have voted other than Labour or abstained. I don’t know his background but many newer working class Tory voters still don’t actually like being called a Tory even though they vote for them, repeatedly. Class guilt lurking there I suspect.

But, if I gleaned an earlier post correctly he will appreciate ‘Come on You Irons’. West Ham won it in ’66.

Watching the Switzerland – Spain game. The BIG question is…

Do professional football players still familiarise themselves with the use and purpose of dubbin?

Hi guys
I’m looking for a bit of help again

I’m trying to find a video clip of Alistair Darling being sworn into the lords, I’m sure I remember seeing it but I cant find it anywhere now in fact I can only find one single low res image in his lordly robe

if anyone can point me to that video or a decent image it would be much appreciated

Southernbystander says:

But it may be a mistake if they feel that way about an English accented Scot but don’t know they are Scottish.

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It could well be this so called ‘Anti-Englishness’ has absolutely nothing to do with whether the person is ‘English’ or ‘Scottish’ and more to do with them being arrogant/posh probably similar to the way you feel about Tories.

Ruby your later point about posh people, yes, maybe, and that is very much a class thing then. I like nearly all Scottish accents but struggle with what I call posh Scots – it grates. But I sometimes think that is my own prejudice.

Southernbystander says

Independence but in the EU would bring more of us, of that you can be sure.

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Good for you. I expect that is a view shared by many.

I like to hear what people in England have to say regarding their political views and experiences but not if it’s some patronising lecture about how useless Scotland is and how we could never survive with their help.

Do you have any views on the English Democrats & whether or not England should have their own devolved parliament?