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Feeling the pain

Posted on July 06, 2017 by

From today’s Scotsman, you can almost physically taste the tormented anguish of the three Unionist party spokesmen that Scotland’s economy isn’t in recession, and has in fact just posted its best growth figures since before the oil-price crash.

Spare them a thought today, won’t you?

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  1. Envy is such a destructive and ugly emotion.

  2. Mochachoca says:

    Are they even trying not to sound disappointed by the figures for this quarter?

    I’m sure they know that the most likely cause of a recession is a chorus of a recession being likely. This time they failed, just hope that continues to be the case in the future.

  3. David says:

    They just cannot help themselves, there is an old saying, never let a lie get in the way of a good story

  4. Scott says:

    It would suit all 3 to see Scotland go down the tube as there remit will always be that we are not fit to be independent as we will always need England to bale us out.A bunch of barstewards all of them.

  5. frogesque says:

    Spare them a thought?

    I wouldn’t spare them a pot of pish!

  6. Artyhetty says:

    Imagine doing down your own country at every opportunity, every day, on all channels, guns loaded. Scotland must surely be unique in this self flagellation. Oh, wait, it’s the voters they want to brainwash into believing their unionist lies, it’s the voters they want to hit with a stick, while attempting to destroy a democratically elected government who are actually working for the people, not against them.

    These people, who would have revelled in this had it been a reality, would have actually loved to have a recession in their own country, are an utter disgrace to Scotland. They disgust me.

  7. Auld Rock says:

    Yesterday morning GMS spent the entire programme gleefully talking down the Scottish Economy and as for the yoons especially Fluffy, does he not realise that the ‘Economic Levers’ are all tightly held by Westminster. As for limited powers given to Scotland it’s just as well that SNP is sharp enough to see the yoons trap. Why should Scottish Taxpayers pay twice for services reserved and supposed to be funded from Westminster???

    Oh I suppose the Scottish Government could fund more but what would the yoons like us to cancel – leave the Queensferry crossing unopened, stop all work on the Aberdeen by-pass or the duelling of the A9 etc?

    I wonder if they realise that by all their negativity they are actually making the case for INDEPENDENCE!!!!

    Auld Rock

  8. Cuddis says:

    This is what really has me grinding my teeth at night. Scotland’s opposition parties doing down their own country at every turn. And you’re right about their disappointment Rev. Yesterday morning on Radio Shortbread they signposted the news that by around 10 o’clock we’d find out if Scotland was in recession or not. The announcer was like a 10 year old who’s just been told the circus was coming to town. I swear you could hear them rubbing their hands together in expectation.

    I agree that opposition parties should challenge the government of the day, but should they connive, spin and lie to the detriment of the very country they aspire to lead? I don’t think so.

  9. Darren Ferguson says:

    Someone (never going to be a journalist) should ask the leaders of the branch offices the following question.

    What would you rather

    (1) Holyrood continuing as is (with the SNP being the government)?
    (2) Holyrood being dissolved and the SNP becoming a outlawed party?

    They would waffle and twist and turn but I honestly think they would take (2).

  10. David McCann says:

    The news that Scotland is not in recession has clearly rattled the unionists, as witness the interview on Scotland Tonight when Keith Brown outflanked Tory Dean Lockhart in his analysis of Scotland’s economy.
    2mins 50s in.

  11. galamcennalath says:

    It is these Unionist parties at Westminster, in various combinations and governments, who have control over Scotland’s economy. The SNP/SG can only tweak around the edges.

    It always strikes me as ultra two faced of the Unionists when one minute they talk as if Scotland were already independent with power over all sorts of issues which are reserved, then in the next breath they switch to reminding us of who pulls the levers, Westminster.

    They fought elections like this. Reserved matters are topics of discussion for Holyrood campaigns, devolved issues feature in Westminster elections, and the constitution features centrally in council elections!

    Of course it’s all intentional. Smoke and mirrors to keep voters confused and put off politics. Well informed and engaged voters are the biggest threat to their Union.

  12. Chris F says:

    I had the misfortune to hear them talking thus on the radio yesterday. Their disappointment was palpable.

    I didn’t know whether to laugh at the predictability of their response or cry with sheer frustration.

  13. Calum McKay says:


    Confidence is key for an economy.

    When you hear the main opposition parties running down not just their political foe the government, but also running down the economy, this undermines confidence.

    Low confidence frightens investment in Scotland and those wishing to relocate here be they individuals and or multi-naionals.

    Long have I believed the laour branch in Scotland would rather see Scotland poor, stupid and suffering within the union, than rich, intellignet and prospering independnetly.

    No better example exists than fron the red tory baillie!

    Scotland free or a desert!

  14. Training Day says:

    British Nationalist nonentities all three, who would prefer Scotland not to exist at all, but whose hypocrisy allows them to take up seats in the Scottish Parliament for disproportionate financial reward for their microscopic talents.

  15. Geronimo says:

    The unionist line has always been keep Scotland POOR …we are too ignorant to run our own economy…..have i got news for you

  16. Not to worry we are all going to be saved.
    Dugdale is going to reveal her party’s new industrial strategy at the launch of the campiagn for the many today.

    She is going to put forward Labour’s positive alternative
    for a country that is run for the many not the few.

    Now where did I hear that phrase before?
    Oh I remember now!
    Tony Blair, where the gap between rich and poor grew wider under him than it had been under Thatcher.

  17. mogabee says:


    Too nice a day to give Doom, Gloom and the other yin much thought at all. 😀 😀

  18. Matt Seattle says:

    I, an English immigrant to Scotland, fail utterly to understand the mindset of Scots who would rather be ruled by England.

  19. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    Not a thought, not a bent penny for them.

  20. Jack Murphy says:

    According to the these three pathetic parties Scotland is on the brink……

    It’s time for Westminster to introduce Direct Rule and place Scotland under Special Measures,with Viceroy David Mundell taking supreme command from Dover House,Scotland Office,Whitehall,London.

    Action this day.

  21. Bob p says:

    God these people really really hate Scotland.

  22. harry mcaye says:

    I feel their pain and please, while we’re at it, spare a thought for poor Murdo and Adam. The Queen’s eleven have had the worst 24 hours in their (short) history.

  23. Fraser of Allander Institute was the one that got the yoon frothing about recession,

    `Is Scotland on the brink of recession` said their headline in bold red letters,

    why an independent economic institute should use gutter press headline pish is worrying,

    having read the report it was more `if your auntie had baws she`d be your uncle` than forensic analysis,

    don`t know how independent the independent FoAI is or who funds them and background of those directing it`s agenda,

    but there seem to be links to the `British American Project` and `The Economic League` and `The David Hume Institute` and `The Adam Smith Institute`,

    all of them `independent` but funded by banks, billionaires and big business.

  24. Tackety Beets says:

    Cheers Harry , we have all been having fun @ RFC expense.

    I really like the Ryan Jack jibes & the Gers footy Top with Easy Jet logo stating “In & Out of Europe in 3 hours”

    I’m sure there are many more, such is Scottish humour.

    Sorry to the YES RFC Supporters who are with us but its only a bit o banter.

    As for the Court Ruling, where is it going to go ?

  25. Doug Bryce says:

    It is crazy.
    People are quick to suggest that SNP blame Westminster for all Scotlands problems.

    However this is a clear case of the SNP getting blamed for the Scottish economy out performing UK 🙂
    At a time when entire UK economy is starting to look sluggish – likely as result of Brexit. In reality Scottish government can only spend the pocket money allocated to them by barnett.
    By design the major fiscal levers which could grow, or shrink, the economy remain in London.

    If the unionists were a little smarter then would present this as a *good* news story.

  26. Proud Cybernat says:

    “Scotland continues to under-perform the UK economy on an annual basis…”

    Thus proving the UNION’s one-size fits all economic approach is harmful to Scotland.

    In 1707 the population of Scotland was roughly 25% that of Englands’. Today Scotland’s population is now about 10% of England’s. This depopulation of Scotland was a deliberate London policy designed to undermine and harm Scotland economically. The British Establishment will simply NEVER allow Scotland to be a rival to London.

    And the Unionists in Labour, Tory and LD parties turned a blind eye to this economic cleansing of Scotland for generations – allowed it to happen; even encouraged it.

    There is truly only ONE major party in Scotland that puts the PEOPLE FIRST and wants to see us flourish as a nation, want to halt the damage the Union is inflicting upon us. No prizes for guessing who. The rest – well they’re just a bunch of CrinGERS.

  27. Lying grubby little Unionist Scotland haters.
    Disgusting vermin who are hell bent on destroying Scotland.
    I’ve had enough of the Jackie Baillies of this world, and their smirking little carping from the sidelines.
    The glee with which the spread bad news in Scotland says it all.
    We are within touching distance now, guys. Hold your (metaphoric) fire until we can see the whites and the panic stricken dilated Brexit bashed pupils of their panic stricken eyes.
    Their precious YooKay is about to crash around about their heads, and they fuckin’ well know it.
    Not long now.
    We shall have a summer of compliant Dead Tree Scroll scribbler whores churning out headlines like this while the Yoon gravy trainers are off on 9 weeks paid holidays.
    £10,800 in wages for doing fuck all but laugh their heads off at the rest of us.
    Tick, fucking tock.

  28. Stravaiger says:

    Off topic, but any of you heard of ‘Moggmentum’?

    Apparently it’s some attempt to suggest Mogg should replace May as PM. No, really, it’s a thing.

    If that’s not a valid reason to declare UDI then I don’t know what is.

  29. Phil says:

    “Spare them a thought” !?

    It is disgust.

  30. Stravaiger says:

    Off topic, but have any of you heard of ‘Moggmentum’?
    Apparently it’s some sort of movement to try to line up Jacob Rees-Mogg to replace Theresa May.

    No, really, it’s a thing.

    I tell you, if that’s not a good enough reason to declare UDI then I don’t know what is.

  31. HandandShrimp says:

    Poor souls, they were all geared up for a major SNP bad…ably led on by the BBC and others prior to the release of the figures…only to have their hopes cruelly dashed. Some went quietly, others, like Baillie and Rennie, decided to just go with their SNP bad rant regardless of how mad it looks.

    In the meantime, the first billing headline news this morning was that Jo Swinson thinks the SNP are a shower of bastards. I turned over to listen to music instead. The BBC fake news continues as ever.

  32. Street Andrew says:

    It is bollocks of course.

    Since Scotland is joined at the hip to the South British economy and dragged down by the continued weight of futile and counterproductive austerity policies it’s a wonder the Scottish economy is not a complete basket case.

    Given that any figures published are likely to be extrapolated from the overall picture of the UK economy and are inherently uncheckable any conclusions (as reported by the Scotsman) are basically an elaborate fiction.

    There are no stats available which reflect a neutral economic position they are all filtered through a political lens.

  33. Kenster62 says:

    Could’nt get to sleep last night for the noise of all the unionist’s gritting their teeth.

  34. Petra says:

    Haven’t the bound, gagged and shackled SNP done well, eh! Chortle, chortle.

    The Unionist politicians in Scotland are now using a short spoon to sup with the devil. Call themselves Scots? We don’t forget how they were rubbing their hands in glee when the oil price dropped and thousands of people lost their jobs. Add to that their demands that Alex Salmond should apologise for something that no one could have predicted. Meanwhile no apology from Labour or Tories in relation to Wilson, Callahan, Heath and subsequent Unionist politicians hiding the true McCrone facts from the Scots and robbing us of a minimum of £300 billion.

    Colin MacKay was excellent as a presenter on Scotland Tonight introducing the subject with ”Scotland is now outstripping the UK as a whole.” His approach is also far cry from Brewer and Neil, affording Keith Brown SNP the opportunity to pack in a load of facts and in the process giving Tory Lockhart a real showing up. Well done Keith.

    Keith also mentioned that they, the Scottish Tories, seemed to be disappointed that Scotland was doing so well and daftie Lockhart couldn’t keep the grin off of his face. That would have gone down well, NOT, with the viewers. He also highlighted that the Tories, overall, are doing us no favours when he pointed out, twice, that Liam Fox, Tory Trade Minister, has been decrying business leaders as being lazy and said that the Tories should be apologising to Scottish businesses between one thing and another.

    As an aside, Colin McKay went on to interview a livid Paddy Hill (Birmingham bombing) and that’s well worth a watch too with Paddy pointing out how he was screwed out of compensation money, tortured and so on. Great to see a presenter actually allowing the interviewee to have his say without constantly interrupting and speaking over them.

    Just posting a few links and if you want to cheer yourself up visit Prof Robertson’s site every day. A site full of positive facts and figures that the MSM don’t seem to want to pass on to us. I wonder why?

  35. Juteman says:

    I couldn’t believe that was the lead story. Unbelievable.

  36. Neil Kean says:

    Once again it shows the unionist parties do not have Scotland’s best interests at heart, they want Scotland to fail, they want the SNP to fail, they look for any excuse to run Scotland down. It’s time for them to be true to their Westminster puppetmasters and let the Scottish people know the only interest they have in Scotland is what it can do for England. If they really have the Scottish people’s best interest at heart then work with the SNP to keep our economy going in the right direction, anything else is just treason against the Scot’s electorate.

    The SNP are getting on with the day job it’s time they were too.

  37. Proud Cybernat says:

    Scotland performing four times better than the UK?

    I suspect someone will be getting their arse kicked for letting that happen.

  38. mike cassidy says:

    Don’t know about moggmentum –

    but if you’re looking for a reason to start a revolution, here’s an interview with him when he was 16.

  39. Stoker says:

    HAW, Wee Willie Stinkie, we’ll take no lectures on education and skills from a proven liar who’s party has form for breaking education related pledges.

    That can also be said for the other buffoons mentioned in the article above, proven liars and London’s gophers.

  40. Dramfineday says:

    Anent the “Reaction” panel above. I’m reminded of the scene from Blazing Saddles when the Governor (Mel Brooks) points accusingly at a member of his cabinet and says “I didn’t get a harrumph out of that guy” I can just see the editor of the Hootsmon doing that to the usual rentahonks.

  41. Robert Louis says:

    Do the last two days not underline entirely, the complete premise of unionism in Scotland. It relies solely on the assumption that Scotland is ALWAYS cr*p, and that England ‘Britain’, is infinitely better in EVERY way.

    To see the massed ranks of so-called ‘Scottish’ unionist politicians and their puppet ‘journalists’ collectively murmuring ‘fail, Scotland, fail’, and then almost break down in tears because Scotland is doing BETTER than England ‘Britain’, tells us everything about where the loyalty of such people lies.

    They care nothing for Scotland. That is ‘Scottish’ unionism.

  42. sassenach says:

    Matt Seattle @ 12-12

    Like you, I am always at a loss to understand the mass Scottish pysche of WANTING to be ruled by England – but until attitudes change and more Scotbuts find some backbone indy will not happen.

  43. Tinto Chiel says:

    I think when any Tory like Dean Lockhart comments on the SG’s handling of the economy he should be reminded that the national debt of £1.8 trillion has doubled since the Tories returned to power.

    Why anyone thinks these spivs and chancers are remotely competent amazes me. As Proud Cybernat says, the Unionist strategy has been to bled Scotland of its assets for the last 300 years.

    Yet 50% of Scots seem quite happy with this arrangement.

    Weazels rip my flesh…..

  44. gus1940 says:

    Why do these tractors hate Scotland so much?

    I can’t make up my mind just what method should be used to dispose of them:-

    Firing Squad,
    Beheading – Axe
    Beheading – Guillotine/Iron Maiden
    Hanging from the nearest lamp post.
    Burning at the Stake.
    Drowning by tying to a post at low tide – a fine old Scottish tradition.
    Hanged,,Drawn and Quartered.

    Suggestions welcome – tongue in cheek obviously.

    Get the tumbrils ready.

    I would like to see how PQ could justify leading every news bulletin this morning with an SNPbad rant by Jo Swinton – in what way could that ever be considered to be news?

  45. Proud Cybernat says:

    Tools for the (day) job…

  46. Robert Louis says:

    Sassenach at 157pm,

    I agree with what you say. But such change will not happen until such time as we have a Scottish Government with its MP’s and MSP’s prepared to speak openly and often about the clear benefits to Scotland from running our own affairs. Sadly, that is something the SNP no longer does.

  47. galamcennalath says:

    The economy is Westminster’s domain. Has Scotland ever had ‘fair dos’ in the Union?

    Scotland versus England in the Union. Population is a simple measure of success. Opportunities, jobs, wealth, health, migration etc.. So when did the relative populations of the two countries begin to diverge?

    Some samples from Wiki

    Year / Scotland pop m / England pop m / relative size
    1707 1.0 / 5.2 / 19%
    1801 1.6 / 7.8 / 21%
    1851 2.9 / 15.3 19%
    1871 3.4 / 21.4 16%
    1881 3.7 / 24.4 15%
    1901 4.5 / 30.0 15%
    1911 4.8 / 33.6 14%
    1931 4.8 / 37.0 13%
    1961 5.2 / 41.2 13%
    1991 5.1 / 48.2 11%
    2011 5.3 / 53.0 10%

    The two countries appear to grow at similar levels for the first half of the Union.

    Then over the second half, a fairly steady deviation, from 1 to 5, reducing 1 to 10.

    Simply explained. Basically Scotland never benefited as much from industrialisation which took off big time mid 19thC. Our population emigrated in greater numbers because of fewer opportunities.

  48. Robert Louis says:

    gus 1940,

    With that comment ,even if it is tongue in cheek, I think you are just asking for trouble and being mis-quoted.

  49. After we get our freedom which we will how can these proven liars and horrorabil people stay in Scotland ?? They must know they are hated by the ordinary decent honest people and are only supported by the lying media and a few diehards I mean list MPs who nobody voted for running down my country obviously not theirs I find it hard to accept and the nobody’s of the fib dems who represent about a bus load at most telling us how to run the countrly ??? How do these liars sleep at night ?? And do they ever pick up the courage to look in the mirror??

  50. geeo says:

    Feeling pleased today, chosen via ballot to take part in the Queensferry crossing experience.

    Only chance to walk across the bridge for pedestrians there is going to be…!

  51. Petra says:

    @ galamcennalath says at 2:04 pm …. ”Scotland versus England in the Union. Population is a simple measure of success. Opportunities, jobs, wealth, health, migration etc.. So when did the relative populations of the two countries begin to diverge?”

    Tam Jardine was a real expert when it came to the subject of depopulation. I wonder where he is now? I fairly miss him.

    These three videos are lengthy but well worth a watch, especially O2 if you’re short of time. It comes with a health warning however and is another video akin to the McCrone Report and Stolen Seas that would have a real impact on securing our Independence, OVERNIGHT.


    And if you feel like it you could watch the recent ‘The Hector: From Scotland to Nova Scotia’ with Neil Oliver seemingly flabbergasted about the number of Scots who had to flee Scotland. And yet he still supports the Union. Quite telling that he says that the Scots in Nova Scotia seem to be more Scottish than him.

  52. Alan says:

    But when there is good news, Fluffy claims the credit:

  53. Dr Jim says:


    They’d vandalise your car rather than let you put new tyres on and drive it

  54. Proud Cybernat says:

    They’d vandalise your car rather than let you put new tyres on and drive it

    They’d vandalise their own car rather than put new tyres on and drive it.


  55. Andy-B says:

    I have nothing but contempt for those b#stards, who put Scotland down at every turn.

    Meanwhile Highland Spring (bottled water firm) boss Les Montgomery has had a go at independence. Montgomery claims Scottish businesses are fed up hearing about it.

  56. Dan Huil says:

    Anti-Scottish lowlifes. Their hatred for Scotland knows no bounds.

  57. SeanW1992 says:

    Not if but when we achieve our independence these redcoat turncoat besterds should be frog marched to the border and given the boot. No time for them in a forward facing progressive Scotland. If the believe their own bile they will no doubt thank us!

  58. Betty Boop says:

    @David McCann, 11:34am

    The news that Scotland is not in recession has clearly rattled the unionists, as witness the interview on Scotland Tonight when Keith Brown outflanked Tory Dean Lockhart in his analysis of Scotland’s economy.
    2mins 50s in.

    Keith Brown was excellent in that interview on STV. Never lost his rag, but, was firm and pushed home his point about opposition always tearing good news about Scotland down.

    We need more SNP politicians taking these detractors on like this. No more “Mr Nice Guy” stuff, call them out for the damage they are doing.

    Colin Mackay did a good job too in challenging on each side and didn’t give Lockhart, with his facile non argument, the easy ride we have come to expect from most interviewers.

  59. Betty Boop says:

    @ Petra, 2.40pm

    Re Neil Oliver

    Quite telling that he says that the Scots in Nova Scotia seem to be more Scottish than him.

    Undoubtedly, more likeable too.

  60. Cuilean says:

    Wll that’s Highland Spring on the boycott list along with Baxters Soups, Tunnocks, Barrhead Travel and Barr’s Irn Bru.

    It won’t win the war but I get tremendous personal satisfaction by doing my bit, weekly, for my country’s future, however minutely.

    I look at the teacakes, soup tins etc (and now Highland Spring) all on the shelves, staunchly demanding that I, a cringing Scot, must buy them, and I quietly say to myself,

    ‘Naw, just you stay there and rot, ye NO votin wee basterts’.

    I’ll be that way til the day I die – even after independence, I’ll never buy these goods.


  61. Capella says:

    Obviously, the SNP and their focus on independence has galvanised the Scottish economy and boosted confidence. More of the same is required and the opposition parties must call for a greater emphasis on independence. It grows the magic money tree.

  62. heedtracker says:

    This is with just a tiddly wee bit of devo too. Imagine a Scottish economy actually run by a Scots gov, even still in the UK, with devo max.

    Its why Scottish indy is so powerful, SNP really want the best for Scotland, just to stay in office. Then again, imagine a yoon SLab back in Holyrood power, or the ultimate nightmare, FM Colonel Ruth, all doing what red and blue tory govs do do to Scotland because what’s good for Scotland, is bad for unionist stuff.

  63. Robert Harrison says:

    This reaction looks like sour grapes to me hahahahaha I’m enjoying this I know I shouldn’t but I am

  64. Davy says:

    It still astounds me, the sheer level unionist’s parties in Scotland will go down too, to miss-call and denigrate their own country.

    What the fuck has Scotland done to deserve this number of pure-shite wankers who believe running their own country down is the right thing to do, and its just to advance their own political party agenda.

    And the real crazy thing is, its not to become the top party in Scotland, its to be the top political party in another country.

    When we have achieved Independence I hope someone has kept a record of all those who went out of their way to knock Scotland down. Perhaps their is another country they would like to go to and miss-call.

    I’ll put in for their bus fare, one way of course.

  65. Col says:

    Les Montgomery has no right to claim that he speaks for Scottish business. He has definitely turned me off buying his water for the rest of my days. If these businesses want to nail their red white and blue colour’s to the mast then I hope they suffer as a consequence. They should stay out of the constitutional debate. I wonder if he had anything at all to say about brexit?

  66. Proud Cybernat says:

    Herald Headline tomorrow?

    SNP push for independence boosts Scottish economy

    No – I didn’t think so either.

  67. Proud Cybernat says:

    “…or the ultimate nightmare, FM Colonel Ruth…”

    “…or the ultimate nightmare, FM Colonial Ruth…”


  68. heedtracker says:

    Stinky old Guardian don’t even mention it. That’s the other yoon culture way.

  69. Kat Hamilton says:

    Enjoyed a sense of justice yesterday when the economic figures proved the naysayers wrong…their gloating, preening and smug,arrogance rips my knitting as they say..Keith brown was excellent, authoritive, and put paid to lockharts smug condescension…more of this approach please sg…plus the flute boys antics being investigated, Rfc out of Europe, and Nuffield report on Nhs Scotland being a better model than down south….pretty satisfying the positives are being heard for a change….

  70. Craig says:

    You can hear and feel them choking on their words, desperate to find justification to put down Scotland because it’s in the hands of the SNP. It’s despairing that not a single one of them can take succour and cheer on the efforts of all in Scotland that created this positive outcome – will they be the same for Q2 if the result is the same again?

  71. Bob Mack says:

    I’ll start with an old joke.

    A man was crossing the road when a car came round the corner heading straight towards him. He jumped to the side ,but the car changed course towards him again. The man again jumped to the side,and again the car changed direction. Fearing the worst the man covered his eyes with his hands. He heard the car brakes going on and looking he found the car had stopped right beside him.

    As the window rolled down he saw the driver was a large squirrel. “Not as easy as it looks it” said the squirrel.

    This is Scotland today. Three total numpties sitting on the sidelines carping about anything and everything. They could always do better than Nicola. However Nicola is a smarter squirrel than the 3 amigos. You are never tested till you have tried it for yourself, and thank heavens the people of Scotland have not put any of these 3 in power.

  72. Foonurt says:

    Aye, awe anti-Scoattish basturts.

    Beelin, ivrrae last wan ae thum. Yoan Beattie erse, cawt, cawt in cawt yoan haunull, tae git thoan panel ah erses, tae shite oan yoan nummurrs.

    Thoan erse ae ah wummin, oan Radio Scoattlin thurr moarnin. Fuckin apoplectic wae rage, ett yoan poasitive Scoattish nummurrs. Keith Brown soartit urr, ower jig-tum.

    Erse Mundie – UkRap leein, wis the reason. Dry boak, wae steemin bile.

    Fur fuck sake, roll oan Scoattish Independence.

  73. Scottish Steve says:

    Unrelated topic I know but I’m curious to hear the thoughts of others on here.

    I read an interesting comment on an article in News Net Scot. The comment said the voting franchise should be restricted to Scots-born residents only in the next referendum. The commenter pointed out that the UK Gov stopped EU nationals voting and we all know this group would have been heavily Remain.

    Should the Scots-born only rule apply next time? After all, it was migrants from the rest of the UK, mostly England, that stopped Scotland becoming independent. Most Scots-born residents voted Yes.

    How can we ever hope to become independent if we have a permanent group of residents from the more powerful country always voting to keep us under the the rule of that country?

    The article called Scotland a colony. I used to not believe that but as the days go on, I believe it more and more.

  74. Proud Cybernat says:

    Shit-stirrer alert. Ignore.

  75. meg merrilees says:

    Gus 1940 @ 2pm

    Maybe the punishment should be that they are forced to live, without any complaining, in a successful Scotland but have to live under Tory policies i.e pay for their prescriptions, tuition fees for their offspring’s university studies, have a 1% pay cap, welfare caps and bedroom tax charges – no mitigation from the Scottish Government.

    Could be quite a subtle but frustrating experience…

  76. Scottish Steve says:

    I should clarify that I think all residents, regardless of where they were born, should have a vote. If you live here, work here and contribute then you should get a vote on the country’s future as it will affect you.

  77. Col says:

    Attack is the best form of defence is it not? If 99% of the media and the opposition to Scotland parties wanna play dirty then we should too. The SNP wouldn’t and shouldn’t have to shoulder all the heavy lifting themselves.
    We need to reform yes Scotland and have someone with real fight in them to head it. A straight down the line plain speaker who can constantly put the boot into this ridiculous union and talk Scotland up at the same time. Call out politicians and media for what they are and what they have done. Blair Jenkins can make the tea.
    We have a small window to gather the troops and hit them hard like we didn’t really do in 2014. It would and should be a completely different campaign. Hit them hard, fast and relentlessly.
    I really think us Scots who’ve been down trodden a bit for a few hundred years would rise up and get behind an energetic and passionate campaign. Simple but hard hitting slogans, less of the percentages of this n that. Just grit and determination.

  78. Alba woman says:

    I accidentally tuned into Misreporting Scoland this morning……there was Jo Swinson giving forth about how Nicola Sturgeon had gone on about indyref2 and had paid the price at the ballot box. This was Ms. Swinsons personal opinion . It was not a sophisticated analysis of the complex voting patterns and outcomes of said election. It was just Jo Swinson giving forth and was totally not news.

    How is it that the BBC appears to be in constant breach of its charter and constantly nothing or nobody appears able to challenge them? Why is there no analysis how a billion pound deal would assist Scotland………now that would be news, as would the millions of pigs flying over PQ.

  79. TheWasp says:

    Highland Spring had an awning up in the retail park in Falkirk earlier, it was to give folk a chance to win something or other, it was manned by posh sounding studenty types, and wasn’t getting many takers

  80. galamcennalath says:

    Davy says:

    wankers who believe running their own country down is the right thing to do

    It’s not their country. They don’t see it that way. To them Scotland is just another region like Yorkshire or The Midlands in their United Kingdom Greater England.

    Scotland is OUR country, though. And they need to get their heads round the idea that our children will inherit it. They, are most likely to end up belonging nowhere.

  81. Liz says:

    I think it’s an illness with these people hating their own country.

    Deep down they must despise themselves

  82. Lochside says:

    ‘re. The Scottish economy…is it not time GERS was kicked into touch ? ( no not the fitba zombies).

    As long as these bogus figures are dragged out to rubbish Scotland we are faced with the same dumbass lying bullshit playground taunts from the lying media.

    How difficult is it for the SG to produce straightforward accounts? One criticism I have had over the SNP at Westminster has been the unwillingness to demanding access to figures that matters..such as Scottish exports numbers that go through English ports for instance.

    A Scottish government report that showed the reality of how much of our tax taken is diverted into ‘national’ projects that we don’t benefit from e.g. HS2 would be accessible to even the most incurious voter. It would also put to the rest the ‘too poor’ meme.

  83. Robert Louis says:

    Jeezo, I have to laugh. Unionist spokesperson, Uber unionist and defender of all that is English ‘British’, Neil Oliver, has said the Scots in Nova Scotia seem more Scottish than he is. I have news for him, most SCOTS in Scotland seem more Scottish than he is.

    Away and dance for yer English queen, Neil.

  84. dakk says:

    Unionists.Scotland’s shame.

    That’s about the kindest thought I can muster for them and their ilk.

  85. ronnie anderson says:


    Another Red letter day from TV licensing . Enforcement officers ML6 9PT visit homes in your area ,
    we visited 10,101 homes a day last year ( wee arthur askey could write a song about that , busy bee busy bee lol. They knock a door every 5 seconds , week days . evenings & weekends.

    Now here’s ah cracker. We may check this with a visit. You should also tell us if this property is unoccupied LoL ( ah kin see these enforcement officer claiming for repetitive strain injury knocking oan that empty hoose door lol.

  86. Robert Louis says:

    geeo at 231pm,

    You mean the new Queensferry crossing, planned, paid for and built by the Scottish Government? You mean the bridge which unionists derided, and called ‘Alex Salmond’s vanity project’, the one which Labour and Tories opposed. You mean that new bridge?

    I guess the BBC will already be figuring out how they can make it seem really bad, and completely avoid mentioning that it was funded and planned by the SNP Scottish Government. Let’s see, I’ll have a try at it myself;

    ‘Salmond’s delayed ‘vanity project’ completely fails to help East Fife commuters. Or, how about, despite overspending on Queensferry crossing, ‘Think tank’ says their is a crisis in Scottish roads’, or maybe’ ‘New Scottish bridge harming wildlife in Forth estuary, says ‘expert’, OR, Tories slam SNP over ‘too small’ Queensferry crossing. Or maybe they can miss out the Scottish link altogether, and just emphasise that workers from many countries worked on it – a headline like, ‘New queensferry crossing is praised by Ruth Davidson as a truly international effort, with workers from all over the UK’.

    Maybe we could have a competition on here, in advance of the actual bridge opening, with a prize for whoever can think up the best negative headline for the BBC to use for the bridge opening – which ends up being used by them.

  87. galamcennalath says:

    Neil Oliver. Incontrovertible proof that being born in Scotland doesn’t make you Scottish.

    And you don’t need to be born here to be Scottish.

  88. galamcennalath says:

    Re Queensferry Crossing.

    Was there not some Tory MP, maybe 3-4 years ago, who suggested Westminster funded projects in Scotland should have plaques with Union flags to remind rebellious Scots who pays for their infrastructure projects. Then it was pointed out that WM hasn’t had any such any such construction projects in Scotland in recent times.

    ‘Westminster’s ‘National Infrastructure’ projects stop 100s of miles south!

    They seem to forget Barnett and the block grant is a mechanism whereby we get some of our tax back. The rest, Westminster spends as it pleases often far from Scotland.

    Q Were is Scotland’s Oil Fun (Norway style)?

    A Spent on the M25 and Channel Tunnel.

  89. CameronB Brodie says:

    Just more of the usual pish from the usual suspects. It’s amazing what rubbish some will spout in order to maintain the Yoonion. Some would even try to hide Westminster’s profoundly unjust and authoritarian view that Scotland’s democracy is subourdinate to England’s, especially with reguard to Brexit.

    The Geographies of Marginalization

  90. gerry parker says:


    I still wouldn’t think of buying a Timex watch even after all this time.

  91. Socrates MacSporran says:

    Robert Louise

    The fact is, the Queensferry Crossing, like so-much of the UK infrastructure since the 18th century would not have been built without the efforts of an awful lot of “Paddies” – ie citizens of the Republic of Ireland.

  92. Ian McCubbin says:

    Well done Scottish Government for encouraging indSurry and economic development while maingaining schools and our health service.
    This is despite the whingining and moaning of unionist political hacks in Holyrood.

    We can do even better as an independent state say many including business for Scotland.
    We don’t need help of unionist MPs or unelected Peers who now feel they have a write to a job as a Lord.

  93. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    Hi gerry parker at 6:26 pm.

    I bought a Timex watch at the first staff sale after I started working at Harrison Road in 1989. £44 watch for £22. I still have it but it needs a battery.

    I was one of those laid off in January 1993 and subsequently sacked. I too will never buy another – and I’ll never have a cruise on one of Fred Olsen’s boaties.

  94. Highland Wifie says:

    Spent time today re-arranging the news(?)papers wherever I happened to be so that the National had pride of place on the top shelf where everyone can’t help but notice it.

    I have decided that every little helps! (Especially in the supermarket)

  95. stu mac says:

    @Scot Finlayson says:
    6 July, 2017 at 12:48 pm
    Fraser of Allander Institute …

    You mentioned their connection to British American Project. From what I read ( it seems to be an organisation set up within a University – using the temptation of cash – to give the impression of independence when all it really is is a neo-liberal propaganda unit.

  96. ScottishPsyche says:

    We are constantly told that the BBC has no agenda and that it is ludicrous to assume they formulate attacks on the Scottish Government.

    Well, after yesterday’s botched onslaught starting with BBC Scotland inviting the FAI to set the scene, what do the doubters now think? Highland Spring’s wee foray into business confidence matters started it all then the Yoon press and the Yoon parties joined in and they were all caught short.

    This was coordinated and it was obvious from the hastily changed press releases to the awkward interviews and retractions. As Reporting Scotland’s editor said, getting on with the job as described is not news, so what do they do then? They have to distort even the most positive news. Our press is malignant and is destroying our country.

  97. Brian Doonthetoon says:

    There have been a number of mentions of the erroneous naming of a stretch of canal as the QE2 canal. I’m of the opinion that QE2 of the English kingdom is “Elizabeth, Queen of Scots”, protector of Scots sovereignty (for the immediate future), in Scotland.

    Therefore, I feel it’s time for this to get another airing.

  98. ephemeraldeception says:

    @Lochside, I totally agree.

    Plus, ever since Niall Aslens Big lie / “THE GREAT OBFUSCATION” a decade ago there were already many facts to use and to challenge.

    Then there is a basic question of: Why is Scotland not responsible of its own revenue and expenditure and just pay into the UK for shared services?

    The only answer that makes any sense is obfuscation. Such obfuscation only benefits Westminster. It seems blindingly obvious to me as a proposition but I have never seen anyone in the SNP raising this topic outside of vague fiscal autonomy.

    Sometimes we have to simply show people, not tell. Yet, showing is not on the table.

  99. galamcennalath says:

    I was under the impression ERII was never used in Scotland. Not by the Royal Mail, nor others.

    Now suddenly, at the very time the whole constitutional basis of the UK is under question, we see ‘the second’ cropping up. No coincidence. Greater England putting its mark on its territories.

  100. gerry parker says:

    Brian doonthetoon, kindrid spirit, fellow winger. Nice to know I’ve been supporting people like yourself all these years, gives me a glow.
    I remember having that Glen Campbell LP, I still sing wee bits o that song now and again.

  101. gerry parker says:

    ephemeraldeception At 8:02

    Scotland used to have its own exchequer, I think it was abolished during the Thatcher years, anyone confirm this?

    If so, it should be possible to recreate it.

  102. Petra says:

    @ Scottish Steve says at 4:29 pm …. ”Unrelated topic I know but I’m curious to hear the thoughts of others on here.”

    REALLY interesting article Steve. Thanks for pointing it out to us. Brilliant folks. A must read for everyone, imo.

    If we are a colony it might make sense to appeal to the UN Special Committee on Decolonisation?

    ….”More than 80 former colonies comprising some 750 million people have gained independence since the creation of the United Nations. At present, 17 Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs) across the globe remain to be decolonised. Thus, the process of decolonisation has come a long way but is not yet ended. Finishing the job involves a continuing dialogue among the administering Powers, the UN Special Committee on Decolonisation, and the peoples of the territories involved, in accordance with the relevant UN resolutions on decolonisation. Reflecting its impatience with the administering Powers, the UN still refers to what it views as “the scourge of colonisation”, calling on member states, and notably the UK, to end this as soon as possible, and for them to be “on the right side of history” in such matters. To a large extent independence and decolonisation are therefore one and the same. Relevant here to Scotland’s present situation is the fact that the UN considers Ireland to be a ‘former colony’; this further indicates that Scotland may indeed be little different given that Ireland was likewise at one time deemed to be a part of the UK ‘union’.”………………….

    ”Historical census data tells us that the largest single ethnic group of migrants coming to Scotland over the last one hundred years and more has been people from rest-UK, mostly England, and particularly in the professions (science, engineering, education, managerial etc), the latter a typical norm of colonial administration. In recent years inbound migration of people coming from rest-UK to Scotland appears to have accelerated; over the twenty-year period between 1995-2014, around one million people moved from England to Scotland, with peaks of over 70,000 people a year. These recent trends suggest that a further half a million people could migrate from rest-UK to Scotland during the ten-year period between 2014-2024, resulting in a total figure of some 1.5 million migrants over just a 30-year period. For a nation with a population of little over 5 million people, such inflows are indeed very considerable. Over the same period there has been a somewhat lesser outflow of migrants from Scotland seeking opportunities elsewhere. Clearly, though, the population of Scotland is both being boosted and replaced through ‘occupation by settlers’ from rest-UK, primarily England. Scotland is experiencing substantial, focused, and rising occupation by settlers from the administering Power, and thus exhibits the second defining feature of a colony.”……….

    ”…..Scotland is subject to ongoing economic exploitation by the administering power, and therefore meets the third and final defining feature of a colony. Based on this analysis the answer to the initial question posed undoubtedly appears to be yes; that is, Scotland demonstrates the essential features of a colony. Scotland is clearly subject to full or partial political control by another country; Scotland has been and continues to be occupied by significant numbers of ‘settlers’, and; Scotland is exploited economically by the administering Power.

  103. Robbo says:

    Awnaw, I see Mogg is on Question time the night!

    Time to get the SEEK bucket oot

  104. Cactus says:

    Love Scotland.



  105. Molly says:

    Robert Louis
    Re the third bridge and negative headlines…

    “New bridge only only lets traffic cross quickly”

    Read a moan on FB last week where someone was complaining you won’t be able to walk or cycle over the new bridge as it is to be essentially motorway.The fact there is another bridge wasn’t good enough apparently.

    That said I also read a post from ‘The New Yorker’ titled “Many in Nation tired of explaining things to idiots”. It’s a satirical column but kind of sums up how I’m feeling

  106. mike d says:

    Petra 8.33pm. ‘Scotland has been and continued to be occupied by significant numbers of “settlers “.? I remember people like indyref2 and others giving me pelters for statements like this .tell it like it is folks.

  107. geeo says:

    Re the new crossing…

    I am chuffed to be able to walk over this fabulous piece of forward thinking SNP engineering.

    I shall endeavor to ask fellow walkers if they voted unionist, and if so, what the fuck are they here for exactly ?

  108. gerry parker says:

    geeo at 9:04.
    You might not be allowed to wave your saltire on the way over, so smuggle a spare one so you can wear it instead.

  109. mike d says:

    Re the rangers tax strammash at the moment. Yes rfc,you are the good guys.

  110. mike d says:

    Geeo 9.04pm. Tell it like it is. Exactly, your a yoon? .why the f**k are you here?.

  111. mike d says:

    Molly 8.48pm. Got to agree with you Molly. Scotland a nation of idiots. Well half of them. Joking aside i can’t believe the ignorance/stupidity/servility,of my fellow country men and women. Thank you proudscot buts,for your ignorant contribution to the Stockholm syndrome.

  112. mike d says:

    Brian doonthetoon 7.58pm. Re the QE2 canal. Why not the ‘Wallace/Bruce/burns/canal?.sick of these sycophantic Stockholm syndrome yoon barstewards,

  113. gerry parker says:

    Mike d.
    We’ll call it the Kelpies canal anyway.

  114. scottieDog says:

    Ref this article
    Someone needs to ask the three stooges in the quotes how scotland can mitigate against the business cycle..

  115. galamcennalath says:

    @Mike d

    The condition is Jockholm Syndrome, I believe. A uniquely Scottish affliction.

  116. cirsium says:

    @gerry Parker, 10.16pm

    We’ll call it the Kelpies canal anyway


  117. mike d says:

    Kelpies canal will do for me.

  118. Meg merrilees says:

    Petra 8.33

    Interesting reading in the National’s article about the Catalan indy vote coming up this October.

    The people of catalonia will go into their referendum on Oct 1st knowing that if the majority vote Yes, the Catalan Government will declare Independence the following day….
    the catalan Government is currently in the process of extracting the region from the spanish legal system… because the Spanish government has sofa used court actions and legal cases to block the referendum…

    any citizens over 18 will be allowed to vote, including those living abroad.. Spain’s Constitutional Court has already overturned a resolution approved by Catalonia’s Parliament not because it has about 155 of the Spanish population but because it has about 20% of it’s economic wealth…the Spanish defence minister has said that the Army is committed to defending Spain’s national sovereignty.

    The Catalans have defined it as… if there are more votes for Yes than No then that’s it.

    and finally, but probably most importantly: –
    I think the Spanish government will go back to court, but the moves announce today are based on international law and the United Nations Charter of Human Rights which says that all peoples have the right to self-determination.”

    If they can do it…

  119. Meg merrilees says:

    If they can do it, so can we…

    ( sorry sent too soon!)

  120. stewartb says:

    Geeo at 9:04 pm

    “Re the new crossing… I am chuffed to be able to walk over this fabulous piece of forward thinking SNP engineering.”

    Catching up on today’s thread late on. Heard today that I also have been lucky enough to get the chance to walk over the bridge. Great news. Just hoping that there won’t now be an announcement of a Royal personage involved in the official opening later in the year to spoil things – the SG wouldn’t, would it?

    British Waterways have been informed of my displeasure at its disrespect for our history and for precedent in naming the canal. At least one person in the organisation will need to read my message …. and hopefully think on it.

  121. Molly says:

    Mike d I think the slippery slope started after listening to a rant about leaving the EU, I made a comment about voting for their MEP?

    “Whit vote?”

    Then you see an unnecessary Ref on Brexit to sort an internal Conservative problem

    Then you see a snap election to sort an internal Conservative problem

    Then you hear Johnson and Gove ( who both voted only last week to maintain a cap on public service wages) grasping for T Mays job pretending they’re on the side of the workers -to sort another Conservative problem

    Then your told by a colleague who voted Tory,they could never vote for the SNP because they don’t trust them ah jeez

    By the way for everyone concerned about the canal, you do know the Kelpies are called Duke and Baron ?

    Falkirk Council that hotbed of – inertia

  122. Cactus says:

    Who do U love?


    Feel the pain…

    Small world.


  123. Graeme McCormick says:

    The Queensferry Crossing is a magnificent achievement . May I ask the Scottish Government to make the next big ticket infrastructure and policy project the Clyde Global Port initiative so that the Lower Clyde is redeveloped as a smart industrial community with fixed links between the north and south shores, energy generation and challenging the private owners of Clydeport which prevent the blossoming of merchant shipbuilding through its stranglehold on the existing port and river front areas?

    Scotland’s future does not lie with our government being sucked in to support HS2 or where the next airport runway is in the South. Scotland’s greatest economic threat has been and continues to be the pull of London. We need to look to the east, the west and the north to develop our economy and not through the prism of the South of England.

  124. Phronesis says:

    ‘On 26 April, the European Commission launched its proposal for a European Pillar of Social Rights (EPSR) as a flagship initiative to strengthen the EU’s social dimension. The EPSR consists of 20 key principles, not legally enforceable, that are primarily addressed to the EU member states and European institutions and intended to serve as a “compass” guiding their future activities in various policy areas.

    The Pillar of Social Rights is about delivering new and more effective rights for citizens. It builds upon 20 key principles, structured around three categories:
    • Equal opportunities and access to the labour market
    • Fair working conditions
    • Social protection and inclusion

    Section 6.Workers have the right to fair wages that provide for a decent standard of living.
    • Adequate minimum wages shall be ensured, in a way that provide for the satisfaction of the needs of the worker and his / her family in the light of national economic and social conditions, whilst safeguarding access to employment and incentives to seek work. In-work poverty shall be prevented.

    All wages shall be set in a transparent and predictable way according to national practices and respecting the autonomy of the social partners.’ The Pillar of Social Rights is about delivering new and more effective rights for citizens. It builds upon 20 key principles, structured around three categories:
    • Equal opportunities and access to the labour market
    • Fair working conditions
    • Social protection and inclusion’

    A critique of casino capitalism (UKOK economics)-there is an alternative- the Nordic Model;

    ‘Underlying the demise of neoliberalism is a financial system out of control. In the years 1980-2014 the financial system grew six times faster than the real economy. The fundamentalist belief driving it is that the sole duty of corporate CEOs is to maximize short-term profits, share prices and dividends. Those perverse incentives are used to justify executive salaries more than 300 times higher than those of average workers; and obscene bonuses…

    The share of labor in global GDP has fallen by hundreds of billions annually, while the share of income/wealth enriching the 1% has increased dramatically…

    This is why inequality has reached exorbitant levels in our societies. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer by the day. This is why long-term unemployment is built into the system. This is why poverty is increasing amidst plenty. This is why social cohesion is dwindling and polarisation growing. Since our leaders seem to be offering no convincing solutions, feelings of disappointment, resentment, anger and distrust are rising. Our democracy is under siege by the plutocratic elite…
    Now we know better. The facts speak for themselves. No matter what criteria we apply, the Nordic model is invariably at the top of the league.

    This applies no less to economic performance than other criteria: Economic growth, research and developement, technological innovation, productivity per hour of work, job creation, participation in the labour market, (especially women), equality of the sexes, level of education, social mobility, absence of poverty, health and longevity, quality of infrastructure, access to unspoilt nature, the overall quality of life. Less inequality than in most places. And a vibrant democracy…

    What tasks lie ahead? An all-out effort against the financial elite to restrain the forces of inequality and to reclaim the power of democracy. An unyielding solidarity with Europe’s youth, who have been left to fend for themselves in the queues of the unemployed, bereft of hope. And take up the fight for the preservation of the environment and our common future on this planet…

    1. Sanitise the corrupt financial system and put it back firmly under democratic control
    2. Massive investment in clean and renewable energy to replace fossil fuels as the life-blood of our economies. This is an urgent task which calls for social democrats and environmentalists to work together to save our planet
    3. Start planning now how to tackle the consequences of the technological revolution which is ongoing all around us (IT, digitization and automation)‘

    An excellent template for a better future for an independent Scotland within a Europe that is reforming with a strong commitment to social rights and human dignity. Little wonder that the elite Brexiteers want out of Europe and to keep Scotland shackled to the disunited kingdom- a growing Scottish economy feeds the magic money tree that Scotland has no access to. Much easier to subdue the masses if you can remove their rights, exploit them in perpetuity, consign them to in work poverty, trample over their aspirations and have them vote for it.

  125. heedtracker says:

    By the way for everyone concerned about the canal, you do know the Kelpies are called Duke and Baron ?

    Falkirk Council that hotbed of – inertia

    If you visit the best park in the world, Pollock House Park,

    you can meet and greet the 4 Clydesdale horses that live there. On their stable doors, there’s a thing about how Duke and Baron were the models for the Kelpies. Baron and Duke have retired now though, last year to Aboyne but you can say hello to Harry and Chancer.

    You’re not allowed to feed them, but they really like Polos:D

  126. Molly says:

    Well heedtracker as I bounce along the potholes on my ‘ royal’ route bus past the royal hospital up to the wheel, where I am told we now have a Union flag before going past what used to be called the town centre and now resembles a ghost town on my way to the new royal canal, I’ll think of Duke and Baron.

    Spoilt for choice we are in this area , it’s either royal or a Dundas…as I said a real hotbed of inertia

  127. yesindyref2 says:

    So I was on the ferry earlier after nearly 3 days out of touch from the internet, and I heard this sound coming from the mists, this wail, this anguished cry as though it came from a thousand demented mouths. A deep, dark cry of pain, intense hurt and disappointment, sadness, biterness, madness, and deep deep longing for something better.

    And now I’m finding out what I missed. Was it because of Hector, dragged as formerly in a chariot, his hair clotted with blood? Or was it Achilles having had a cleg bite on his heel? Perhaps it was the cry of the millions upon millions of those tortured for political gain or just for kicks? Maybe just Demosthenes having had a glimpse at the quality of UK Government utterances?

    No, no, I just found out what it was.

    It was Scotland NOT being in recession, in fact outperforming the UK in growth by a factor of 4, and Ruth Davidson’s holiday ruined, ruined, ruined, by good news for Scotland.

    Oh dear.

  128. Rock says:

    The SNP has proved to the people that it can govern well.

    It is now time for it to concentrate on independence alone as the top priority, before like, Keir Hardy’s Labour, it becomes completely entrenched into the Westminster system.

    310 years as a colony of England is surely more than enough.

    Let the unionists (mis)govern, with the support of the Greens.

    The more the SNP protects selfish voters from Westminster policies, the less likely there will be a Yes majority.

    As the number of English settlers increases after Brexit, the more No votes for the unionists.

    No-one ever got independence from the British establishment without suffering.

    Shouting and screaming we are “sovereign” never got us anywhere and never will.

  129. heedtracker says:

    As the number of English settlers increases after Brexit, the more No votes for the unionists.

    You’re such a dickhead Rock. Its trolls like you that make tory rule of Scotland even dafter.

    False SNP flattery with your “English settlers,” must be your lowest creepiest attempt yet.

    How low can you go Rock?

  130. yesindyref2 says:


  131. Cactus says:

    Time, it’s time we changed ra deckchairs around dudes..

    There’s a new thing in town.

    Life in ra fast lane.

    Jock Scot an me is hanging out in the finest Glasgow.

    Come tomorrow..

    Come today!


  132. Dr Jim says:

    Eddie Izzard in Scotland again to pontificate on politics
    after perpetrating a con on Scotland with the assistance of the BBC

    Eddie Izzard Comedian, success
    Eddie Izzard Actor, success
    Eddie Izzard Marathon man, Success
    Eddie Izzard Show off, success
    Eddie Izzard Human being, abject total complete failure

    Now what’s the important thing there when your only friend in Scotland is Jim Murphy and he’s in hiding

  133. Cactus says:

    Peace and independence…

    That’s fae Jock Scot.

    Independence with peace..

    That’s frae me…

    What U saying Scotland?

  134. Rock says:


    “Its trolls like you that make tory rule of Scotland even dafter.”

    What on earth does that mean?

  135. Thepnr says:


    Peace to you both. Have a great time 🙂

  136. Cactus says:

    Love ur Scotland.

    Love all.


  137. Cactus says:

    @cheers Thepnr 🙂

    Merci bro.

    This time next month Scotland…

    Have a guid yin!

    Pain comes hard, pain comes fast, pain comes.

  138. Eddie Izzard? And Jim Murphy? Looked like J Murphy was taking his mother out for a breath of fresh air. I’m all for folks’ freedom, but it needn’t be imposed on us! Who’ll buy his book I wonder?

  139. Cactus says:

    The BBC is mind dross.

    Turn ur TV off.


  140. Cactus says:

    Now watching a Wingnut films production…

    “The world is changed…”

    Oh Lord!

  141. Petra says:

    @ Meg merrilees says at 10:49 pm …. ”Catalan Independence. If they can do it…”

    They will do it Meg thanks to the fact that they have control over their media unlike Scotland with the most powerfully devolved parliament in the World. EH RIGHT!

    Happy days for them hopefully. Leading to happy days for us too.

  142. scottieDog says:

    Richard murphy nails it again..

    Link should also make it clear why scotland can’t get itself out of recession as things stand

  143. Ken500 says:

    Just as well the majority in Scotland can see through the liars. Lying over and over again. Totally useless. The usual suspects. Trying to line their pockets, destroying other people’s lives. They are the most disgusting people. The unionists can’t count or read a balance sheet. Now £Trns in debt killing and maiming innocent people. They are utterly useless. Criminals and murdering lars.

    Just as well the majority see through them. The cheats and lars will never win.

    The best Scotland has ever been governed is by the SNP Gov. In spite of the Westminster criminals. Scotland’s a better, more prosperous place. In spite of the unionists lars taking £20Billion out of Scotland a year. In mismanagement and downright thievery. Never trust a unionist Party, especially in Scotland.

    The Tories are on their way out. A complete lamb duck Gov. Their policies are causing recession. Brexit. They will cause another world recession. They will be gone before too long, a bunch of complete incompetent. No one believes a word they say in Scotland.

    The majority in Scotland know the best way forward is Independence in the EU. To stop the Westminster crooks and charlatans. Even the majority in England now support EU membership. 60%.

    Just needs a further push for Scotland to gain Independnce in the EU. It is so close now. It is within distance. For Scotland to be a better, more equal fairer prosperous country. Getting away from any control of the Westminster illegal lying crooks and murderers.

    Bring it one. Scotland Independent in the EU. Like most prosperous wealthy countries. Caring for the people and the rest of the world,

    The unionists Parties are disgusting. No wonder so few people join them, especially in Scotland. The majority can see though them.

    The BBC is finished. Low readers/viewer. More money is sent on administration than making programmes. Totally out of touch. An out of touch monstrosity. Eating itself. People get their information from other sources. The BBC is a puppet laughing stock. A total waste of £3,7Billion. Just wait until the outcry when the salaries are publshed. The ‘Press’ are in total debt. Becoming more and more irrelevant. White noise in the background. A symphony of nonsense. No one believe the nonsense anymore. The Emperor has no clothes. Illegally owned by Non Dom tax evaders. Crooks and criminals breaking International Law.

    Scotland is being dragged down by the lying unionist crooks and spivs at Westminster. That will not be going on for very much longer. Shortly these liars will be gone. The history of the bonfire of the vanities The usual suspects divine right to rule lost. Into oblivion with the lot of them. Good riddance and goodbye.

  144. gus1940 says:

    Following yesterday’s excellent article on Newsnet by Alf Baird I have posted there a comment along the following lines:-

    Would it not be an idea if instead of referring to the Tory, Labour and LD lot as ‘the unionist parties’ we refer to them as ‘the colonialist parties’ and similarly refer to the media as ‘the colonialist media’.

    What do Wingers think?

  145. gus1940 says:

    On the BBC News coverage of The Queen opening the new Quenn Elizabeth The Second???? Canal I couldn’t help noticing that the crowd were waving a forest of miniature Butchers’ Aprons with not a Saltire in sight.

    This raises the question of what was the source of said flags?

    Had each one of the crowd gone to a local shop or street vendor and bought said flag?

    Or is it more likely that the flags had been dished out for free by some organisation?

    If the latter who was responsible and out of whose budget were they paid for?

  146. Robert Peffers says:

    @Peter McCulloch says: 6 July, 2017 at 12:00 pm

    “Oh I remember now!
    Tony Blair, where the gap between rich and poor grew wider under him than it had been under Thatcher.

    Yes, Peter, and it was under a Labour government that the main burden of taxation was changed from direct taxation, (upon earnings and wealth), to indirect taxation, (upon goods & services).

    The whole ethos behind that move was to transfer the main burden of taxation from the rich to the poor.

    Where before the main taxation was by PAYE and upon profits and wealth. Certainly we had, “Purchase Tax”, but this was only levied upon such items as the most expensive luxury vehicles and such things as expensive imported French perfumes and things like expensive animal fur coats.

    Then it became VAT, Road Fuel Duty, Alcohol Duty, Betting Tax, Tobacco Duty and upon services of all kinds. Everyone, whether they are the actual buyer of goods and services or simply the users of such goods & services must pay those indirect taxes.

    Yet today much of Joe & Josephine Public still cannot free themselves from the mental thought process that centres upon income tax and wealth tax and never seem to understand that income tax and taxation upon wealth & profits is now of secondary importance.

    Now Westminster duns the poorest and most vulnerable and least able to pay taxes while giving increasingly more generous tax breaks for those best able to pay by direct taxation.

    That is the whole idea of changing direct taxation to indirect taxation. That is to transfer the main burden of taxation to the poorest in society.

    As long as the general public cannot get their collective heads round the simple fact that this is a deliberate plan by Westminster to make the rich ever more rich and the poor ever increasingly poorer there will continue to be an ever wider gap between the haves and the those who have not.

  147. starlaw says:

    gus 1940

    Those flags were handed out by some flunky, the same happens regularly eg the chidren in Fijii recently visited by the Scottish ruby team. There was also a case in West Central Scotland during a visit by Prince William and Kate. Saltires were taken from the children and they were given Union Flags.

  148. Jock McDonnell says:


    Yes, substitute Scotland for ‘the UK’ here and you might think the BoE £ was a millstone round Scotland’s neck:

    ‘First, the UK has its own currency. And, as importantly, over 99% of its debt is denominated in that currency. What that means is that, unlike Greece, it does not need to earn what is, in effect, a foreign currency to pay its debts. It pays it with its domestic currency, and that means its ability to repay is dependent on what income generation happens in the UK and is not related in any way to what it can earn from outside it, which is Greece’s alternative priority. This means the UK’s capacity to repay is vastly greater than Greece’s: domestic earnings massively outweigh external ones in both cases.’

  149. Capella says:

    Had the misfortune to catch the end of QT last night, on tuition fees and student debt.
    Jacob Rees Mogg informed the English audience and panel that in Scotland there are no tuition fees. This is funded by taking money away from Colleges. Very bad.

  150. Hamish100 says:

    Douglas Alexander

    On BBC radio — ahhhh how the rejected are brought back to the fold

    Courtesy of BBC tory

    Now onto important issues — tie wearing in the commons.


  151. Davo says:

    It was very interesting to contrast the gleeful anticipations of doom on GMS before the figures were released with the very muted GMS report the day after. It was barely mentioned on the 8am news bulletin. Glad I am now into my 3rd year of not funding the BBC.

  152. Dek says:

    Aberdeen Citizen paper interviewing Willie Young after the loss of his Council position : ” it’s not about myself,it is about the Labour,Conservative ,Independent alliance coming together..”

  153. Ken500 says:

    Rees Mogg. That habitual liar. Lies,lies lies. He is picking up the taxpayers supported benefits for his six kids. An appalling speciman. If ever there is one. His mother in law got £100,000 in tax payers money. Benefits (publuc mohey) to maintain a manor house. They are such breathtaking hypocrites. Most of them shoud be in jail. The only admission of most of them is to cause poverty and dah in the world. Causing a world recession. Westminster the harbour of corruption and spite.
    The only reason they are in politics is to line their and their cronies pockets. Abuse and waste public money on grotesque projects of no value which are unaffordable and totally overpriced. Like Hinkkey Point, HS2, Heathrow and Trident. Just a total waste of borrowed public money. Putting up the debt. Two barrage tidal schemes (Humber) etc would cost half the price and produce more energy. HS2 will cost £Billions and always be subsidised. There is no market for it. It will put up prices and make journeys longer for all travellers. The present rail system needs improvement. Not a two tiered subsidised more costly system. Not required. Redundant squint Trident. Heathrow nit needed. More travel regionally. Less costly travel. Direct flights. Space induced travel.

    Wasting £Billions on grotesque projects of no value. Then cutting and not funding properly essential services. Education, NHS and essential social public services. Illegally sanctioning and starving the vulnerabe. Their emphasise is all wrong,

    The unionists crooks in Scotland will talk themselves out. Habitual liars.. Useless lying sycophants. Responsible for misusing and mismanaging £20Billion of Scottish cash a year. Will not be long before they are gone. Useless imbeciles. International crooks. They are a laughing stock. The whole world laughs at them.

  154. Phil says:

    stu mac says:
    6 July, 2017 at 7:51 pm

    @Scot Finlayson says:
    6 July, 2017 at 12:48 pm
    Fraser of Allander Institute …

    “You mentioned their connection to British American Project. From what I read ( it seems to be an organisation set up within a University – using the temptation of cash …”

    Thank you for this reference – I was alive to the establishment of the FAI and brief conversations at that time often mentioned a bona-fide Scotland ‘Input-Output’ table.

    From time to time I have since wondered why we have not had public airings of such data. Knowing the origins of the FAI makes this a bit more clear.

    Who, beyond Wings, can be trusted?

  155. sensibledave says:

    Calum McKay 11:45 am

    Oh The irony!

    You Wrote (as did so many above other along similar lines)

    “Confidence! Confidence is key for an economy. When you hear the main opposition parties running down not just their political foe the government, but also running down the economy, this undermines confidence.”

    … perhaps you will understand now what it is like to have opposition parties doing nothing but talking down, rubbishing, relishing bad news and gleefully jumping on any difficult issues the government faces or giving due credit for anything achieved and decrying anyone that voted for that government?

  156. K1 says:

    Ah see Jacob has let Sixtus play on the laptop again…

  157. sensibledave says:

    … any thoughts on the stunning irony K1?

    No? … thought not!

  158. K1 says:

    ‘due credit for anything achieved’

    Yeah the right wing coup of the Tory party by a bunch o’ nutjob etonian twats with much tae hide…that took some dishonest, pathetic dog whistling propaganda tae get that 52% on board tae achieve that. Cunning stunt in fact.

  159. sensibledave says:


    … I guess you did spot the double standards and one eyed hypocrisy displayed above then … and prefer to dodge the subject eh K1?

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