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Fear debunked while you wait

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    1. Daniel says:

      Is it just me or is the absolute obsession with finances not really right-wing? They’re asking us not to care about fairness in election or representation, or welfare etc because we personally might be better off (with no substance to most of the claims except that in a bloated finance sector if you work to the top of the City you can live like a king). It all seems rather… Tory. Everything about BT is seeming to be populism or outright lies, this bringing it to the fore. Idgaf about savings being protected if my bank collapses because A. my people are starving and freezing all over the country and our Barnett funding is going DOWN and B. I’m pretty sure we can regulate our banks when we control them to stop this happening. If banks are still failing nowadays then I highly doubt it’s Indy’s fault, no financial institute is THAT localised to Scotland.

    2. Juteman says:

      Imagine trying to con your own people with this shite.
      How do they sleep at night?

    3. Andy-B says:

      The problem with these BT scare stories, is just how many of them will influence people, the old saying “If you throw enough mud, some of it will stick” springs to mind, surely the YES camp must debunk these stories, as soon as they break.
       
      Otherwise they may grow arms and legs for a while, and instil doubt where none lay before, if only we knew the next scare story in advance.

    4. Juteman says:

      This isn’t party politics, it’s not about telling lies about another political party, it’s telling lies to a nation. Be a unionist if you want, but this stuff is evil, and is designed to mis-lead folk.
      I would call it treason.

    5. Mosstrooper says:

      BASTARDS! absolute LYING scare mongering BASTARDS!
      Sorry Rev I am Incensed

    6. Tony Little says:

      @Andy
       
      But equally, if you shout “WOLF!” (or maybe even Squirrel) enough times, no one takes any notice after a while.  There is another 14 months of this tripe to go.  I don’t think anyone can survive that long and not say’ “Och away with yeh! D’ya think ahm daft?’

    7. Murray McCallum says:

       
      I believe this law comes into effect in 2016.
       
      Scottish financial institutions are already covered through the payments they make to the FSCS.  This new law is to prevent a repeat of the Cyprus debacle.  There appeared to be widespread misunderstanding of deposit protection in the EU and who exactly was responsible.
       
      Surely the assets of the FSCS are the same as any shared UK assets post independence?  Even if UK (rUK and/or Scotland) left the EU they would continue to have the FSCS in place – traditional financial services are a significant industry to us all.

    8. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      I believe this law comes into effect in 2016.”

      According to Wiki it’s been live since January 2011.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deposit_insurance#By_EU_country

    9. Juteman, couldn’t agree more, but these bastards will have to face the people at some point, irrespective of the referendum result!  

    10. Murray McCallum says:

      Rev Stu
      “According to Wiki it’s been live since January 2011.”
      For the UK absolutely correct.  I was referring to recent talk about a scheme to ensure other EU countries established similar schemes.  Some countries appeared to think there was a central EU/ECB scheme.  Events in Cyprus caused mass confusion.
      http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/20/us-eu-banks-idUSBRE94J0AC20130520
       
      Scottish financial institutions, and their customers, helped create the FSCS fund in the UK.
       
       

    11. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      “For the UK absolutely correct. I was referring to recent talk about a scheme to ensure other EU countries established similar schemes.”

      According to the first link in the post: “as of December 1, 2010, in compliance with the 2009 Directive, EU Member States have been required to guarantee deposits up to €100,000.”

    12. Murray McCallum says:

      Rev Stu
      “According to the first link in the post: “as of December 1, 2010, in compliance with the 2009 Directive, EU Member States have been required to guarantee deposits up to €100,000.”
      I am sure that too is absolutely correct.  The issue is the deal originally brokered for Cyprus totally ignored all of that apparent legislation!. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-18/euro-area-ruins-its-progress-with-cyprus-deal.html
      As Megan Greene says in her article “the Cyprus bailout deal makes a mockery of deposit insurance in Europe”
      The legislation I referred to for 2016 seeks, it seems, to clarify deposit protection and banking rescue in a standard way across the EU.

    13. JLT says:

      This should be one of the advertisings by the Yes Team on Billboards when the time comes.
      In fact, that is how all the facts should be portrayed when the ‘Real War’ begins. Let the No mob explain all their statements then!

    14. lumilumi says:

      And how many people actually have savings of £85,000 (or €100,000, which I believe is the EU limit) sitting on their bank account?
       
      No ordinary – even well-paid – person has bank account savings like that. If you had £85,000 extra you’d probably invest it in something more lucrative than a bank account. Stocks, shares, maybe a flat to rent, whatever.
       
      BT are using the spectacular failure of London City banking as a scare story. People are wary of banks and bankers. Few know or understand what happened, except the ordinary tax-payer had to bail out millionaire bankers. (Another staple of the British state: divide and rule.)
       
      The population of Scotland is still being beaten (into submission?) by the failure of banks with “Scotland” or “Scottish” in their name. Not being told the simple fact that the horrendous losses and resulting bailouts resulted from City casino banking and bailouts are apportioned by where the disastorous financial interactions took place. Not in Scotland, in the City. The US bailed out “Scottish” (City) banks more than the UK because the City’s laxer regulation attracted US speculation.
       
      It’s an easy scare story to peddle because few people know much about “high finance” (or “low finance”, as I prefer to call that greed-fuelled culture). I don’t know much about it either, I’m an ordinary person, my salary gets paid into my bank account, I have a debit and a credit card, I pay mortgage, have a savings account with a pitiful balance. Like I suppose most ordinary middle-class people across Europe do.
       
      The only way ordinary people can be insulated from the risks of casino banking is to put in stringent controls and rules, even the Tobin tax. The UK government is very reluctant. They seem ready to leave the EU if the EU do that.
       
      Several EU countries (including Finland, and most of the EU countries with a healthy economy) already have far more rigorous and stringent banking rules, regulations and checks. OK, so they’re not making trillions – but they’re not bringing the countries’ economies onto their knees either. Banking and finance is just a sector of the economy, not a cosseted baby. Or a spoiled toddler, which the UK financial sector comes across as. The point is, banking works in Finland. People can get mortgages, (small) businesses can get loans. OK, so “bankers” don’t get super-rich but,,, well, is that a negative thing?
       
      The Tory UK and their love affair with the City seems to outdo even the US in rampant capitalism. Does Scotland, do the people of Scotland, want to be a part of that? Or do they want to vote YES and look for different solutions, more fair solutions?
       
      Answers on a postcard on 18.9.2014.

    15. Ron Burgundy says:

      Brilliant work Stuart but why is it left to Wings to do the instant demolition of this crap. It should be trumpeted by the Yes Scotland from the rooftops using their official publicity organs. Project Fear banged to rights, caught in a neat easily understood lie.
      Makes Wings so crucial to victory but this kind of work should not be just down to you Stu.

    16. G H Graham says:

      Drivers in Scotland benefit from white dotted lines in the middle of the road to help keep traffic flowing in opposite directions from colliding.
      Better Together.
      Actually better apart because cars would hit each other if they weren’t.
      So separatism works.
      Any questions?

    17. Doug Daniel says:

      lumilumi – absolutely, the banking sector has been held up on a pedestal in the UK since the 80s, but wr need to get back to a situation where banks are there to facilitate other parts of the economy, not dominate them. Any industry whose protagonists call themselves “Masters of the Universe” is clearly in major need of being brought back down to earth. That’ll never happen as long as the UK remains as some sort of junkie of The City – time for Scotland to go cold turkey!
       
      Daniel – aye, BT’s propaganda is almost all right-wing, Daily Mail reader pish. It can only be a matter of time before they start telling us house prices will collapse in an independent Scotland (I dare say they already have).
       
      This is the section of society Better Together are aiming for – those with something to lose. They’re the ones who are least likely to vote for major change – folk with mortgages, private pensions and with some money put away for a rainy day. The folk who usually vote, quite frankly. That’s why we get the bizarre spectacle of “socialists” like Gregg McClymont (sp?) using the possibility of higher taxes as a threat.
       
      Well, that and the fact Labour are just Tories now…

    18. MajorBloodnok says:

      I always say to people when they go on about the “Scottish” banks. “Well, if you remember one of the first institutions to get into difficulties was the Bradford and Bingley, so by your logic the people of Bradford and and the residents of Bingley would have to pick up the tab.  And as for the citizens of the great metropolis of Northern Rock, wherever that is…..”

    19. Seanair says:

      Ron Burgundy
      Yes Scotland should ask the Rev Stu to come home and for a reasonable salary, do his magic on behalf of YS, refuting all the lies from BT and others, writing to newspapers and the BBC,and generally spreading the truth.
      Rev Stu, if not practical keep up the good work anyway. 

    20. Andy-B says:

      @Tony Little
       
       
      but equally if you shout WOLF
       
      Well yes and no, I think you must strangle the BT lies at birth, and be seen  doing so BT have no other course of action but to spew out lies, so quickly counter-acting these fabrications, will in effect leave the BT camp toothless.

    21. handclapping says:

      Drivers in Scotland benefit from white dotted lines in the middle of the road to help keep traffic flowing in opposite directions from colliding.
      Better Together.
      Actually better apart because cars would hit each other if they weren’t.
      So separatism works.

      Thats a powerful analogy to use with the ways that Scotland and rUK are going
      Free care, no prescription costs, frozen council tax, no water fees v.s
      limited care, £7.85 per item, tax rises of 5%, average water bill £356.
      Are we really not going in opposite directions and in need of the white line of independence to keep us from crashing?

    22. Albalha says:

      The recent offering from Severin at the Guardian ……SNLA, terrorists and ‘separatists’ 
      http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/jul/30/scottish-separatist-adam-busby-extradition?INTCMP=SRCH
       

    23. JLT says:

      I don’t think we should blame Yes Scotland here. Personally, I think there is a game of ‘chess’ happening here. I think it’s a 2 part campaign.
      I think the Yes team are allowing this ‘phoney war’ to take place. They’ve allowed the Better Together mob to come out with all guns blazing …and the resistance is being met by what is basically …normal hardcore Nationalists. The problem for BT is that they are losing the war!
      As each month goes by, the Yes percentages go up, and for BT, this is a shock to the system. It’s all gone wrong.
      We, the hardcore, wear down Better Together, and once they are low …really low (as Salmond predicts for Autumn / Winter), then the Yes Campaign come out and just blitzkriegs the nation with so much info, that BT just utterly collapses.
      I just can’t help but feel, that this is what is happening. It is so quiet on the Yes Team front, that I can only assume, that they are building for an all out attack.
      Personally, I don’t think McDougall, Darling, et al, have a backup plan. Once the real truth comes out, I think BT will tear itself apart, as it turns into a ‘survival of the fittest’ in a post-indy Scotland.
       
      But, make no bones about it, the likes of Rev Stu and all those others, who have carried this first part of the campaign, should be utterly lauded in their fantastic efforts.

    24. I agree, Daniel. The whole of the No campaign seems to epitomise that phrase – ‘They know the price of everything, and the value of nothing.’

    25. Dal Riata says:

      Sorry to go  O/T.
       
      Severin Carrell and the Guardian at it again. This time it’s an article about Adam Busby, the self-proclaimed leader of the once-upon-a-time Scottish National Liberation Army and extradition from Ireland.
       
      Note the heading: “Scottish separatist Adam Busby to be extradited due to terror charges”. You’ve got to give credit to the Guardian’s headline writers when it comes to articles which may or may not be relative to Scotland and its independence. With “Scottish separatist” and “terror charges”, it is right up there in the scary headline/story league!
       
      Oh, and the article is not open to comments BTL!
       
      http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/jul/30/scottish-separatist-adam-busby-extradition

    26. Dal Riata says:

       
      Sorry, looks like Caesar!lha beat me to it!

    27. Albalha says:

      @DalRiata
      But you took the time to copy and paste more detail!
       

    28. Murray McCallum says:

      I’m beginning to wonder if a sizeable chunk of Labour voters in Scotland are actually covert Conservative Party believers.  I think the section of people I am talking about vote Labour knowing they will actually get a Tory Westminster government.
      These folks can talk the workers’ talk, fit in with the crowd, and still enjoy what they really want – right wing Tory policies.  The thought of an independent Scotland electing a left leaning, social democratic government must scare the crap out of them.
       
      Is this the meaning of what better together refer to as “the best of both worlds” and their fear of independence?

    29. Linda's back says:

      More O/T
      Latest bit of jingoism on BBC news to-night with Office of National Statistics stating Brits feel happier thanks to all the wonderful events in 2012.
      They forgot to mention that the countries whose inhabitants are even happier than the UK include Iceland, Netherlands, Denmark,  Switzerland and Norway
      The top 15 also includes Ireland, Luxembourg,Austria, Finland and New Zealand.
      http://www.businessinsider.com/top-countries-on-oecd-better-life-index-2013-5?op=1
      So small is still beautiful

    30. Murray McCallum says:

      Sorry O/T but a view on the gap between Labour leadership in Scotland and grass roots movement.  Sorry wrong jacket.
      https://twitter.com/labourforindy/status/362268477073002498/photo/1

    31. Tom Hogg says:

      Ah, but remember, we will not be in the EU because we will not be a successors state and we will need to reapply…zzzzzz….

    32. Gordon Bain says:

      At JLT
      How do you imagine Yes Scotland are going to “blitzkrieg” the country? Form their own TV company within a year? With all due respect to Stu here who does a fantastic job this battle is going to be won via the MSM. Any other outcome depends on Scots getting out there and actively seeking out the truth. This will not happen! The too wee, too poor, too stupid mantra, sadly, works. Unless we can shoot the messenger the opportunity will pass.
      Sorry to be depressing. I just don’t have much faith in my fellow History After all, if we had the balls we wouldn’t be in this situation in the 21st century. Still, I live in hope.

    33. Perhaps we will see an end of these scare stories now that Iran has decided to gift all of its oil revenues to England.

      http://www.bbc.scotlandshire.co.uk/index.php/city-news/488-iran-to-gift-its-oil-to-england-exclusive.html

    34. Tom Hogg says:

      @Gordon Bain If you are not pounding the pavements already, then please get involved. This debate has three fronts, the media, which is a rearguard action, social media, where we are well ahead, and shoe leather, where we have the personnel advantage.  Take the truth to the voters.

    35. Marian says:

      No amount of boots on the ground can ever hope to counter the BBC in Scotland platform of lies and misinformation beamed daily into our living rooms that Project Fear has at their disposal.

      Rev Stu does an excellent job countering the daily lies of the Project Fear campaign and their acolytes at the BBC and MSM, BUT the fact is his blog is not widely enough read to get to the floating voters that YES needs to swing the vote in their favour.

      The BBC within Scotland is the most dangerous adversary to a YES vote by far and it is a mystery as to how the people in charge of it manage to get away with their blatant campaigning against the SNP and independence.

      By contrast the Radio 4 news and current affairs programmes are a model of fairness compared to their counterparts in Scotland when it comes to matters concerning the SNP and the referendum.

      I wish I could believe otherwise but I am convinced the referendum vote may well be lost if the YES campaign doesn’t soon find a way to end the campaign of bias against the SNP and independence by Project Fear’s proxies within the BBC in Scotland.

    36. Bill C says:

      @Marian -I think much of what you say is spot on, especially your reference to the BBC.  As I have said before, this debate is no longer just about our independence, it is about our very democracy.  The BBC are undermining the democratic process in Scotland, similar to Pravda in the old Soviet Bloc.  Something must be done about the BBC, because if the BBC wins its battle against the movement for Scottish self determination, we lose our right not only to independence but democracy itself.

    37. JLT says:

      Gordon Bain says:
      At JLT
      How do you imagine Yes Scotland are going to “blitzkrieg” the country? Form their own TV company within a year? With all due respect to Stu here who does a fantastic job this battle is going to be won via the MSM. Any other outcome depends on Scots getting out there and actively seeking out the truth. This will not happen! The too wee, too poor, too stupid mantra, sadly, works. Unless we can shoot the messenger the opportunity will pass.
      Sorry to be depressing. I just don’t have much faith in my fellow History After all, if we had the balls we wouldn’t be in this situation in the 21st century. Still, I live in hope.
      ————————
      Gordon,
      Straight forward actually…
       
      Billboards, 5 minute Political Broadcasts on a regular basis, get celebrities to endorse the message, flyers through doors. Promote web sites through the Flyers for the truth…and the best one …word of mouth!
       
      If the tide gets close to 40-45% or even 50%, the media will change. The media are notorious for betting one way, then changing half way through. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Rupert Murdoch tells The Sun to begin promoting Independence.
      What? You think Yes Scotland are just sitting there and hope that we fall over the line. there is a game plan. I expect it!
      There is more than one way to skin a cat! Who said, that we need the BBC ?
       

    38. Red squirrel says:

      £85k savings is not something most of us north of London have to worry about that much. A deposit guarantee scheme is necessary because of all the BT parties lack of financial regulation and complete subservience to the banks. Not exactly a great advert of why we are better together. The lie just adds insult to injury.

    39. ianbrotherhood says:

      Talking of banks, have a quick swatch at this, as Tweeted by Roseanna Cunningham:
      pic.twitter.com/leYLYk0JPN

      Captions, captions…if you can bring yourself to look at it long enough without spewing.

    40. Jeannie says:

      @ian brotherhood
       
      My God, has that man no shame?

    41. Doug Daniel says:

      The campaign WILL be won by the foot soldiers out on the streets. Remember that viewer confidence in the BBC in Scotland is a pathetic 48% – people know BBC Scotland is a crock of shit, they’ll believe what they hear until something better comes along. That’s where we all come in. Those who need information to be spoonfed to them will get it from campaigners chapping the doors, armed with truth and facts from our resident munitions expert (Stu). In those last 16 weeks (is it 16 weeks?) before the referendum, Better Together will suddenly find their media arm neutered. Meanwhile, the armies of Yes campaigners will knock on every door in the country. Better Together’s centrally-controlled “grassroots” campaign simply won’t be able to match the hundreds of groups out there telling people why this needs to be a Yes.
       
      Chins up, folks – Muhammed Ali’s opponent has already exhausted his arsenal of punches, and Ali is getting ready to knock him out.

    42. wullie says:

      The man in the food bank photie gets £400 a month from the taxpayer to spend on food.
      spew and puke right enough.

    43. mato21 says:

      Caption
      Once I was poor like you but I found a good deep trough  Tee Hee
       
      His head should be between his knees in shame Disgusting ignorant trougher that he is

    44. Boorach says:

      For some pleasant bedtime reading, Tris has a report of the LFI conference by Alan Grogan
       
      http://munguinsrepublic.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/report-of-labour-for-independence.html

    45. Boorach says:

      Re the ginger rodent did he put his hand in his pocket to donate or did he leave with that carrier bag full of swag?

    46. ianbrotherhood says:

      Let them eat Own-Brand cornflakes.’
       
      What kind of character thinks it appropriate to pose for photos and SMILE in a fucking Food Bank?
       
      Did someone prepare a Press Release to accompany it? If so, could we track it down? (It’ll probably be better than any captions we can imagine.)
       
      What a complete dick – he just became one of my ‘Top Five Scots To Be Utterly Ashamed Of’.

    47. Willie Zwigerland says:

      What BT are getting at here, is how can an independent Scotland guarantee deposits in a currency it doesn’t control? The reason Ireland got into the trouble it did was when the Irish government gave a guarantee over all their bust banks and they ended up having to increase everyones taxes to cover the guarantees.

    48. Big Al says:

      If I had the money I would lease the Finneston Crane and a bloody great LED screen to hang on it and post these. Would ensure the daily BT lies are shown for what they are on the BBC Scotland news.

    49. ianbrotherhood says:

      @Willie Zwigerland-
       
      If you’re so sure that you ‘know’ what BT are trying to say as opposed to what they actually DO say, why don’t you offer your expertise to them? They could clearly do with some help.
       
      BTW – would you have advised Alexander against staging that ‘food bank’ photo-op? Or is he trying to ‘get at’ something we’re all missing?

    50. G H Graham says:

      That there is even a demand for food banks in a modern, industrial nation like Scotland, rich in energy, globally recognised for excellent quality brands & renowned for its inventiveness should be considered a national disgrace.
      Yet here is a man at the very core of Westminster policy making, choosing instead to make smug visual capital from a group of volunteers attempting to subvert the corrosive, divisive & punishing effects of the British government on its own poor.
      He should be thoroughly ashamed that food banks are necessary & consequently be ashamed of himself. 

    51. Tony Little says:

      @Willie
       
      Dunno.  How does France guarantee deposits in a currency it doesn’t “own”?
      How does Germany guarantee deposits in a currency it doesn’t “own”
      How does the Netherlands guarantee deposits in a currency it doesn’t “own”
      How does Belgium guarantee deposits in a currency it doesn’t “own”
      How does Italy guarantee deposits in a currency it doesn’t “own”
      How does Luxembourg guarantee deposits in a currency it doesn’t “own”
      How does Slovenia guarantee deposits in a currency it doesn’t “own”
       
      Nonsense, isn’t it?

    52. ianbrotherhood says:

      @BigAl-
       
      re Finnieston Crane etc.
       
      Nice one.
       
      Did anyone see the excellent Greenpeace (I think it was) projections on the side of some nuclear plant in France? (I know Rev, detail, detail, I don’t have the effing detail…but someone here always does)
       
      Anyway, who’s up for getting the required gear and illuminating Pacific Quay with ‘PROJECT FEAR’.
       
      Is it illegal? If so, I won’t mention it again, but if it’s okay to project an image of the nude Kate Moss (or whoever it was) on the House of Commons, then surely it must be possible to stage a nice photo-opportunity where ‘The BBC in Scotland’ gets the correct label on that big shiny impregnable tin they currently occupy.

    53. Jiggsbro says:

      5 minute Political Broadcasts on a regular basis
       
      On AyeTV?

    54. Alex Taylor says:

      Approaching the 100th anniversary of Robert Tressell’s “Ragged Trousered Philanthropists’, is anyone else struck by how far our society has regressed these past thirty years.  Tresell resurrected would think nothing had changed since he wrote his polemic.

    55. ianbrotherhood says:

      Oh, FFS!!
       
      Not being a Twitterer, I didn’t realise this, but it seems that Danny Alexander tweeted that food-bank picture all off his own bat. Check his ‘tweets’ via the WoS page.
       
      He posted it himself, and seems quite proud of it. (Is it any wonder they ‘need’ PR people to follow them about 24/7, like dog-walkers with a poop-bag always to hand?)
       
      You really could not make it up.

    56. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

      What BT are getting at here, is how can an independent Scotland guarantee deposits in a currency it doesn’t control?”

      Complete bollocks. They don’t even mention the currency, and that message would be about 1000 times more sophisticated than anything they put on their graphics.

    57. The Man in the Jar says:

      @Big Al
      I have had similar thoughts about an LED banner of sorts to hang off the squinty bridge each night at 6; 30pm and 10; 30

    58. Robert Bryce says:

      The Man in the Jar says:
       

      @Big AlI have had similar thoughts about an LED banner of sorts to hang off the squinty bridge each night at 6; 30pm and 10; 30
       
      I’ve been experimenting with mobile street projection. It’s a winner 🙂

    59. The Man in the Jar says:

      @Big Al
      @ianbrotherhood
      Back to my banner idea. I was thinking of one of those vinyl banners like you see at supermarkets advertising bogofs, imprinted with LEDs spelling out say “Bollocks” or perhaps not but you get what I mean. Cheap and I assume legal. At appropriate time hang the banner of Squinty bridge a radio link to someone watching news on TV, presenter talks bollocks banner flashes “Bollocks” in full view of camera. Admit it would only work during darkness but what do you think of the idea.

    60. David says:

      It would be wonderful if WoS could be published in paper form once a week, on a Saturday, debunking the week’s major lies by the BBC and ‘Better Together’.

      YES supporters could distribute or sell copies on the streets.

      Maybe it could be launched at the YES rally in September.

      If we don’t take PRACTICAL steps NOW against the BBC led lying ‘Better Together’ ‘Project Fear’, WE WILL LIVE TO REGRET IT ON 19th September 2014, unless we are planning a mass suicide after a NO vote.

      WoS is doing an absolutely brilliant job, but IT MUST BE PRESENTED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC if we want a YES vote.

    61. The Man in the Jar says:

      More thoughts about my banner idea. The wording, it would have to be short and with a bit of humour. A bit gallus so it gets talked about. How about “I Smell Shite!”?

    62. Edward Barbour says:

      Slightly O/T We keep getting told by unionists that Scotland couldn’t afford a military, that we would be a joke. Yet I’ve just read in the Daily Mail (well someone has to do the dirty work) that returning troops from Afghanistan, had to endure a delay of 2 days, due to their flight back on the PFI supplied RAF Transport aircraft had to change a tyre. Normally commercial aircraft can have a change of wheel within hours. But the A330 purchased through a £ 10.5 Billion Private finance deal in 2008 (under Labour), meant that the RAF had to wait and have a replacement flown out from the UK to the middle east . http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2381636/Returning-soldiers-grounded-48-hours-MoD-tyre-farce-Troops-forced-wait-Middle-Eastern-base-row-replacing-aircrafts-flat-wheel.html

    63. CameronB says:

      Caption: BT, ensuring the future of ALL banks.
       
      For those who have the time, here is a lecture from the British Academy, looking at the future for the banking sector. For those without the time, there is nothing to see here, please move along. The FIAT Ponzi scheme is safe, they’ve seen to it.
       
      Where are we on Banking Reform?
      Proffedor John Vickars, FBA
      Thursday,  27 June, 2013
      http://www.britac.ac.uk/events/2013/Anglo_German_Foundation_Lecture_2013.cfm
       
       
       
       
       
       

    64. CameronB says:

      @ Rev Stuart Campbell
      I posted that on the wrong thread, again. Could I bother you to move it to the “Please Give Generously” thread? It doesn’t really make any sense here. Ta.

    65. secova says:

      I’d suggest linking to or at least taking screenshots of the evidence of BT campaign’s latest low-points and hosting them independently.
      About a week back you posted an article showing the BT font.
      Dinnae leave the doom croaking hoody mob wing any movement space for doubt in terms of dropping JPEGS
      http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/bankdeposits23.jpg
      It’s 2 stuck together and they ken we ken their font
      If possible, link the original image only.
      I appreciate it’s pedantic, but I’m now a paying customer and if this does not happen I will call up and request to speak to a manager.

    66. Gordon Bain says:

      @ JLT
       
      The “media” may well change, that’s a gamble I might take. However the BBC are not included. The clue’s in the bloody name! A quick poll at work yesterday showed everyone – there’s only five in my work but still – sits down to their tea with Reporting Scotland. You can’t buy that propaganda.

    67. JLT says:

      5 minute Political Broadcasts on a regular basis
       
      On AyeTV?
      ————–
      No, on the BBC, STV, Ch4, etc.
       
      At the end of the day, the BBC is meant to impartial. If they refuse to show an SNP political 5 minute advert, then there will be a serious outcry. This time, the BBC would be in hot water, as people would want to know why the BBC are refusing to show an SNP advert. We pay our TV licence, therefore we should be allowed to have what we ‘want’ on that channel. It’s our God-given right!
      Same with STV. It’s ‘Scottish’ Television. They refuse – huge outcry.
      As Doug Daniel says above; 16 weeks before the Referendum, the media will be neutered, and at that point, the games begin. The BBC directors can sit in their boardroom and wail, whine and greet all they want. There won’t be a thing they can do about it!
      I …don’t walk in fear of the media. The media walks in fear of the Nationalists!

    68. JLT says:

      Gordon Bain says:     
      @ JLT
       
      The “media” may well change, that’s a gamble I might take. However the BBC are not included. The clue’s in the bloody name! A quick poll at work yesterday showed everyone – there’s only five in my work but still – sits down to their tea with Reporting Scotland. You can’t buy that propaganda.
      —————–
      The clues in the name, but we pay money to that organisation through a TV licence. If half of Scotland demand an SNP advert, then by god, it WILL be shown. Make no bones about it! To refuse, will lead to an almighty outcry! Straightaway, people will smell a rat, and will want to know why – even the Unionist supporters.

      What the BBC should be worrying about, is if Scotland does become independent, then its actions during this period will be remembered, and also held accountable. I can see a lot of changes at Pacific Quay post-indy. We can’t have an organisation in a country, sitting there, bad mouthing most of the population and the nation itself, all because it wants to belong to another nation. There will be people in that organisation even now, who must be wondering apprehensively, if they are still going to have a job come the first 6 months of 2015.

    69. Seasick Dave says:

      Even the BBC can’t keep the lid on the truth all the time…
       
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-23509211
       
      “There is a lot of press around North Sea Oil being in decline, but the truth is there is still 30 – 40 years left in the North Sea and that estimate increases all the time as new fields are discovered and come online,
      Kevin Forbes oilandgaspeople.com

    70. Macart says:

      Buh dum, dum, dum
       
      ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST!
       
      Aaaaand another one bites, and another one bites,
      ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! 🙂

    71. Macart says:

      @Seasick Dave
       
      “There is a lot of press around North Sea Oil being in decline,”
       
      Or another way of putting it is that there’s an awful lot of government led propaganda in the news. This bullshit about decline won’t be seen anywhere near serious economists or oil and gas industry experts and certainly not spouted by the companies which have invested heavily in the past year.
       
      Still I’m sure the fella’s trying to be diplomatic. 🙂



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