Wings Over Scotland

Chris sees through the bully shit from Handless Humza.

This will soon be Scottish Government policy. Clownworld. link to dailymail.co.uk

Seems like a missed opportunity to train one to tow a Scooter.

Spot on Chris, Yousaf turns on policies whatever way the wind blows, except (trans issues) maybe he and his grifting MSPs knew that it was only a matter of time until someone sued them over those dangerous dogs.

Meanwhile Craig Murray has an excellent article up in which he attended the Hague on the genocide of the Palestinian people by the Zionists.

Murray recount how in the gallery you are allowed to bring paper in but not pens or pencils as the latter are considered weapons, obviously the court doesn’t want a non-partisan accounts of the days in the court in the public domain.

link to craigmurray.org.uk

Fife Council is on the verge of declaring a housing emergency.

“It would be the fourth local authority in Scotland to take that stance, following in the footsteps of Edinburgh, Glasgow and Argyll and Bute. ”

But hey, getting intact blokes into women and girls safe spaces is far more important to this SNP government.

Vote Alba, Join Alba

Down with the union.

Karen says on 13 January 2024 at 7:48 am: “Lovely drawings Chris! Dug should maybe have bit him in the arse …”

I would class that as cruelty to animals. The poor dog would need taken to the vets for a tetanus jab. LOL!

Why is my 11:27 am comment under moderation? There’s absolutely nothing prohibited or inflammatory in it. I’ve seen comments on here referring to females as “bitches” and other comments saying the articles on WOS are garbage and written for the gullible. Yet those posters seem to get to continue posting and hogging every thread. Baffling!

Westminster will never give Holyrood more powers because Holyrood is Westminsters branch office in Scotland under Westminster Statues and retains reservations over it Branch office to ensure that it never becomes a Scottish parliament in reality,

It seems that unionist like to pretend Scotland has Scottish parliament,
Scotlands last parliament was in 1707 Which was put under dissolution in England by a Monarch that never became the monarch of Scots,

This pretendy Scottish parliament in Holyrood is under the dual “parliament of England-Britain Acts”

Do not let any Scot forget that.

The Devolved parliament from Westminster really is a embarrassment to Scotland.
And in that sense it is a great asset as a branch office in Scotland and does what the Scotland Act envisaged it was supposed to do,

The sheep in wolfs clothing devolved to Scotland governance is a branch tool to Control its colony.
If it was a true Scottish parliament of Scotland there would not be so reservations held to Westminster, in fact it would have no Control over any reservations.

Karen says on 13 January 2024 at 7:48 am: “Lovely drawings Chris! Dug should maybe have bit him in the arse..”

The poor dog would need taken to the vets for a series of inoculations. 🙂

@RoS 11:33

Scab picking again, quelle surprise.

Seems only fair to me that women & kids should be prioritised for extraction from a war zone. The blokes can stay behind and either work for peace or pick up one of the plentiful RPGs and get stuck in. That’s how things worked, even here in Scotland, as recently as two generations ago. Our grandparent’s generation knew what to call the blokes who cut and run when things got hot.

Another option is on the table too. The guy can self-id as a lassie and get out that way.

Whichever, being distantly related to the pretendy so-called leader of our toy parliament shouldn’t confer any importance or status. I’m stumped to understand why you pretend to believe that it should.

Hardly a day goes by when you don’t post calling for it’s destruction.

Wow. The SNP government certainly stick like glue to their ABI (Anything but Indy) strategy. Got to look strong, got to appear decisive, got to look smart, at least in something. Unfortunately, they are not very good, even at ABI are they?

“following having their arses handed to them by the Supreme Court on #indyref2…”

I am not convinced Sturgeon and her minions had their arses handed to them by the Supreme Court, to be honest. From the angle I am looking at it, the whole thing, included the outcome, seems to have been done by Sturgeon (or rather her handlers’) design.

It looks much more like a case of the political fake Sturgeon facilitating the deployment of yet another of her fabricated obstacles to independence that were never there in the first place until she installed them. Another of her temporary damage limitation measures deployed on behalf of the British establishment.

When you look retrospectively at the whole thing, it looks much more a matter of Sturgeon herself, by parachuting an unelected representative of the crown to the middle of what should have been a democratically elected government cabinet, actively, willingly and consciously handing her own politically deceiving arse to the crown.

In that way, the crown, represented by the lord advocate and a handful of English judges, could temporary impose absolute rule on Scotland via seizing control of both Scotland’s executive and legislative powers and, in doing so, doing Sturgeon’s dirty work of stopping independence.

In that way, the coward Sturgeon could retain some credibility, in the eyes of the public, when directing her futile and faux whining against Westminster – because whining about Westminster is really the only thing she has ever done about independence in 9 years – while continuing to pretend she ever pursued independence.

It is very telling that the unelected representative of the crown installed by Sturgeon in the middle of Scotland’s executive power never even lifted a finger when the GRR entered Holyrood or when it was forced through, despite knowing (if she ever was a judge worth her salt), that such legislation would never make it to the royal assent.

The different action this unelected representative of the crown deployed towards the independence referendum bill and the GRR one points to something interesting:

1. That lord Advocate must have known that the GRR legislation could be stopped by Westminster after it had been passed in HOlyrood, hence there was no need for her to show the crown’s true absolutist and dictatorial colours by stopping it entering the legislative chamber.

2. That this crown representative facilitated the violation of Scotland’s Claim of Right via seizing control of Scotland’s legislative power and handing it to English judges, so they could prevent the entry of this indyref bill into Holyrood suggests:

a. the crown had certainty the bill would pass
b. the crown might have been aware that it would not have been easy for Westminster or itself to legitimately stop that bill becoming law in Scotland once passed in HOlyrood. Either because none of them had that power or because using (abusing?) that power would reveal something about them they did not want the public (and the world) to see.

We are being taken for absolute fools. That maneuver from the Lord Advocate and the English judges was at all practical effects seizing control of both the executive and legislative powers from the people of Scotland. It was temporary imposition of absolute rule on Scotland, which is in direct violation of the Claim of Right and therefore a reason for the immediate termination of the Treaty of Union.

That treaty of Union only survives because our MPs and MSPs are deceiving us, lack a backbone, lack real pro-independence convictions and are far more concerned about looking after their own personal interests and those of the crown than serving their country as they were elected to do.

Looking back 9 years, it becomes obvious it has been Sturgeon and now Yousaf, rather than Westminster itself, who are the main culprits of actively fabricating and consciously deploying obstacle after obstacle after obstacle to Scotland’s progress towards recovering its autonomy.

Meanwhile, our cowardly MPs and MSPs are responsible for this toxic treaty of union to survive despite violation after violation of its fundamental conditions under their watch and, which should have resulted in its invalidation one hundred times over.

At Ruby, Yes, i did contemplate the idea i might have unwittingly used one of the banned words on the ever-growing banned list. But surely not? was my conclusion.

Look at my 12:08 pm comment. That’s a slightly rejigged version of what i posted. The only differences being i jokingly said that i would consider that to be cruelty to animals. And i used the words “tet*nus” and “jab” instead of “a series of inoculations”.

I think i may have just sussed what has gone wrong as i type this to you, take a look at the word tet*nus (a disease) and it contains within it one of the banned words you mention.

So i have now just went back over this comment, prior to posting, to replace a key letter with an * and hope that is good enough to get through the pre-mod. Hopefully you can all make sense of this.

So that’s a new one for your list, Rubes. LOL!

I just made myself laugh thinking about folk taking up my suggestion and typing about the planet Urasshole.

Better just use the * and type Ura*nus but Urasshole is quite funny and it doesn’t get you moderated.

Any word that contain a*nus will get you PMTed

Lets see which words might contain a*nus.

If you are good at crosswords you will probably know already I’m going to have to Google.

Here we go! Which words contain the letter a*nus?

MassholesCRIPT(S)!

Not that many more in the asshole category but you can find them if you Google.

Watch out for that ointment for treating piles.

Then there’s the stuff for treating indigestion.
They might bring you express relief but they’ll get you moderated.
That one isn’t in the asshole category. That’s a different category.
It might be called ‘the anti-English category.

Main reduced to responding to his own posts by imagining what others might say about them.

Sad.

The letters ski*er get you moderated.

It’s riski*er to type ski*er than ‘douchecanoe’

That’s one of Stu’s favourites.

Why is ski*er banned. I believe the Scottish ski*er was a ‘douchecanoe’ and not only got banned but also got put on the banned word list. That’s quite an achievement perhaps he was more of a ‘Doucheoiltanker’ than a a tiny little canoe.

I hope you are all taking note of these banned words.

We’ve got to win the battle against the mad moderating bot.

WTF is a douchecanoe?

From my study of O grade french I know what a douche is I’ve just never heard of anyone taking a canoe into the shower. The bath maybe but it would need to be a toy canoe. We usually had these plastic yellow ducks and a couple of submarines.

But hey I love all these new swear words.

Who knows ‘stick it up your planet might become popular’. Shorten from ‘stick it up Ur planet Asshole.

No idea what I’m talking about that’s probably cos you are not into ‘dadaism’ & ‘surrealism’

BTW. My sister is not a boy!

‘et ceci n’est pas une pipe’

link to tinyurl.com

‘et ceci n’est pas une pipe non plus’

link to tinyurl.com

It’s a fuckin’ banana but if you don’t eat the tofu you can’t have any banana.

How can you have any banana if you don’t eat your tofu.

Some folk just eat too much bloody tofu & banana and both are known to make you highly constipated.

Some folk need to stop with the tofu & banana. It’s no fun for anyone when you are always constipated.

Day after day post after post with the constipation.

Get some Syrup of Figs (fingers cross that isn’t on the banned medicines list) if you want to do it ‘al la francaise’ get some of those dynamite suppositories.

Stick a couple up ur planet and boom all will be sorted.

Mia @ 12:37 pm

“political fake Sturgeon facilitating the deployment of yet another of her fabricated obstacles to independence that were never there in the first place until she installed them. Another of her temporary damage limitation measures deployed on behalf of the British establishment.”

Spot on, Mia. The SNP elite and ‘Scottish’ Government are intentionally pressing all the wrong buttons to make sure Scotland does not become independent, and they are inevitably guided in that direction. If there is a way to stop independence they will surely find it, and they will oppose any innovation by the movement.

The SNP elites wirk for England’s croun, an sae daes aw oor institutions. They comprise Fanon’s ‘legal tendency’ within the decolonization template, their objective is always ‘to come to a friendly agreement with colonialism’.

Fowk cannae ser twa maisters….

The Houthi are Shia, no cause for concern in Scottish politics.

Is all varieties of the American Bully breed going to be banned as well?

Hatuey at 4.07

This.

“Nobody really buys or cares about all the guff on the Claim of Right”

I would kindly and politely suggest you simply direct your impetus towards speaking only for yourself. That you, personally, do not care about the Claim of Right, does not mean nobody else cares.

Several months ago, before you exited these threads rather acrimoniously, you had claimed on several occasions to be a member of the ALBA party.

I have no reason whatsoever to put that in doubt. However, I include below some quotes from senior members of your party, demonstrating they do indeed care about the Claim of Right and they seem to believe it to remain extant:

“The SNP/Green coalition have promised another referendum in 2023 with “no ifs or buts”.
The Yes movement will take them (SNP and Greens) at their word, and they therefore should also explain the strategy by which they intend to bend Westminster to the will of the Scottish Parliament to agree a referendum or indeed spell out another way of asserting the sovereignty of the Scottish people.
Without that we run the risk of conducting a debate in a constitutional vacuum. Instead we need Scotland’s Claim of Right to resound far and wide.”
Mr Alex Salmond, June 2022

“The UK’s constitution is not codified in a single document, so the question of whether the Acts of Union can unilaterally be dissolved by one party is not clear. However, the accepted position hitherto is that the Union is a voluntary association of equal partners and Scotland has an unquestioned right of self-determination. That is a right underpinned by Scots common law which rests not on the Magna Carta, but on the claim of right which continues to assert that it is the people who are sovereign in Scotland”
Mr Neale Hanvey, House of Commons, February 2023

“The provisions of the Claim of Right Act 1689 in
relation to the right to appeal to the monarch against perceived judicial injustice remain in force to the extent that the right is now exercisable via appeal to the United Kingdom Supreme Court, in accordance with the usual rules of court, and civil procedure”
Mr Kenny MacAskill, quoted on “Claim of Right for Scotland”, House of Commons Debate Pack, Number 2016-0158, 2 September 2016

It seems, therefore, that your assertion “Nobody really buys or cares about all the guff on the Claim of Right” does not apply to your party and, either you have been misinformed or you are bullshiting.

Debates in Westminster regarding the Scotland Act clearly show that both, MPs and Lords accept the validity of both, the Claim of Rights 1689 and the Bill of Rights 1689, which, by the way, constitute the basis for parliamentary privilege. Here is a couple of quotes to illustrate this:

“For the avoidance of doubt, the provisions of Article IX of the Bill of Rights 1689 and of that part of Article XXV of the Claim of Right Act 1689 which secures freedom of speech and debate to members of Parliament shall apply to the proceedings of the Assembly; and those Articles shall be construed accordingly”
HL Debate “Application of Bill of Rights and Claim of Right to Assembly proceedings” 09 June 1998

“That is obvious from the fact that in my amendments I have referred to the Bill of Rights and the Claim of Right Act 1689 which are understood to found the privileges which this Parliament enjoys”
Lord MacKay of Drumadoon, HL Debate “Scotland Bill”, 02 November 1998

“Have those promulgating the Bill adequately considered the position in Scotland? I have heard nothing during the debates on Second Reading or in the other place about the impact of clause 13 on the Claim of Right Act 1689 as opposed to the Bill of Rights 1688”
Mr Paul Boateng, HC Debate “Limitation of Actions: Scotland”, 24 June 1996

Also, if you have a look at SALVO’s website, you will see this organisation is centered around Scotland’s Claim of Right, so it is safe to say that most, if not all the members of this organisation, among whom I am one, believe the original Claim of Right 1689 is not only extant but actually crucial in finding a sound route to achieve Scotland’s independence.

Even the monarch acknowledges the importance of the Claim of Right 1689. He said:

“I understand that the Law requires that I should, at My Accession to the Crown, take and subscribe the Oath relating to the Security of the Church of Scotland. I am ready to do so at this first opportunity.

I, Charles the Third, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of My other Realms and Territories, King, Defender of the Faith, do faithfully promise and swear that I shall inviolably maintain and preserve the Settlement of the true Protestant Religion as established by the Laws made in Scotland in prosecution of the Claim of Right and particularly by an Act intituled “An Act for securing the Protestant Religion and Presbyterian Church Government” and by the Acts passed in the Parliament of both Kingdoms for Union of the two Kingdoms, together with the Government, Worship, Discipline, Rights and Privileges of the Church of Scotland.
So help me God”
Charles the Third, King of Scotland, England and Northern Ireland, published 10 September 2022

The Claim of Right referred to in Mr Windsor’s oath is the original Claim of Right, as stated in the Treaty of Union. Please note that Mr Windsor says quite clearly “I understand THAT THE LAW REQUIRES (my capitals)…”. In other words, Mr Windsor (and his royal advisors) understand the Claim of Right 1689 is part of UK law and fundamental for the UK and his own claim to the crown to continue.

After listening to somebody as senior in the British establishment as the monarch himself swearing the oath, frankly, your claim that “Nobody really buys or cares about all the guff on the Claim of Right” rings completely hollow.

I am sure you know that in 1989 a new multi-party Scottish constitutional convention was formed. This convention issued an updated version of the original Claim of Right 1689. The wording of the new Claim of Right is

“We, gathered as the Scottish Constitutional Convention, do hereby acknowledge the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of Government best suited to their needs, and do hereby declare and pledge that in all our actions and deliberations their interests shall be paramount”

You do not need an IQ above average to realise that the above is simply an actualised and modernised rewording of the original Claim of Right 1689 which reasserted Scotland’s popular sovereignty and the right of the people of Scotland to remove the crown from a monarch who dared abusing their position of power to impose absolute rule.

Even conservatives acknowledged this:

“Conservative MSP David McLetchie recalled the original Claim of Right, passed by the old Scots Parliament in 1689, adding: “Notwithstanding its offensive prejudices, the act of 1689 appears to have been an inspiration, 300 years later, for a new Claim of Right”

This new version of the original Claim of Right has been mentioned and debated several times at Westminster. It has always been accepted. It cannot be other way, because the original Claim of Right remains extant and is a fundamental condition of the Treaty of Union at all times.

A quick search in Hansard for the words “Claim of Right 1689” from 1/01/1800 to 13/01/2024 reveals the existence of as many as 197 entries. The most recent one is from October 2023. So, it does seem your assertion “Nobody really buys or cares about all the guff on the Claim of Right” is really baseless.

“It was SFA to do with imposing direct rule”
Either you have no awareness of the need to have separation of the three powers – executive, legislative and judicial- for a proper democracy to function, or you are bullshiting on this assertion too.

When you have an unelected representative of the crown sitting in the middle of what should have been a democratically elected government cabinet, controlling what laws can enter the chamber and effectively seizing control of the executive and legislative bodies when the crown already has control over the judicial power, you do not have a democracy. You have absolute rule exercised by the crown.

Control of the legislative body cannot be shared or taken in turns. Either it is controlled by the people (democracy) or is controlled by the crown (dictatorship). When an unelected representative of the crown seizes from the people control of the executive and legislative bodies and hands it to the crown, you do not have “a legal, limited monarchy” which is what Scotland’s constitution recognised as legal. What you have is a despotic power exercising absolute rule and overruling popular sovereignty. That is in direct violation of the Claim of Right 1689 and therefore unconstitutional.

“the Scottish Government over-reached itself”
And so did the crown. The point I am making here is that, in my opinion, Sturgeon’s government purposely facilitated this, therefore you cannot claim that they were caught like a rabbit on the headlights. It was, in my opinion, done by design to add in yet another fabricated layer of excuses against progressing independence to prolong the life of the UK union.

“I just don’t credit them with the smarts you seem to think they have”
I think you have completely misunderstood my thoughts.
I have never credited Sturgeon, Yousaf or the rest of post-Salmond SNP with “smarts”. Since January 2020 I have considered them nothing more than deceitful useful idiots acting in the service of the crown and against the interests of Scotland. The only ones who I think have demonstrated independent thought are Mr MacKaskill, Mr Hanvey, Ms Cherry, Mr Angus Brendan McNeil, Ms Regan, Mr Chapman and Mr Ewing.

I do not consider Sturgeon capable of successfully planning strategy. The same applies to Yousaf. They are, in my view, crown tools. For the last 9 years I have seen nothing, nothing at all, that points towards Sturgeon, or heaven forbid Yousaf, being in control of strategy.

Sturgeon has always came across to me as an implementer, not even a shaper. Shapers encourage members of the group to progress towards common objectives. She did not precisely “encourage” anyone. She forced compliance by throwing under the bus all those who did not abide by her say so, by throwing the CPS towards pro-indy dissenters of her doctrine of nonsense, and by removing democratic processes from the party to avoid dissent. She has shown she ain’t a democrat. It seems obvious she was tasked with implementing the halting of independence even at the cost of losing credibility, a huge chunk of the party’s membership and making the party unelectable. She was neither working for Scotland neither for the SNP as a political vehicle of independence. She has been destroying it on behalf of somebody else.

With regards to the MPs and MSPs you have almost enough fingers in one hand to count the number of them who had enough backbone, pro-independence conviction and independence of thought to challenge this political fraud by standing up to her. Had there been more of them and this political fraud would have not got away with stalling Scotland’s recovery of autonomy for 9 unbearably long years.

@Mia 5.33pm

That you, personally, do not care about the Claim of Right, does not mean nobody else cares.

OK, perhaps I should have been more nuanced: I’m sure some people care a great deal. Some as we know from BTL here are indeed utterly obsessed. But the $64,000 question is….so what? We know it’s there, and that’s fine an’ all….but we know exactly what we have to do to become independent: win a referendum or plebiscitary elections. Go do!

….you had claimed on several occasions to be a member of the ALBA party.

I have no reason whatsoever to put that in doubt.

But you just couldn’t resist trying to cast doubt on it, eh? I’d post a picture of my membership card and snazzy Founder Members badge, but I don’t think BTL comments here cope with pictures. It’d seem an odd thing for someone to claim when it was easily disproved though.

As for senior figure believing it’s important and still extant, bully for them! I’ve never said it wasn’t extant by the way, just that it isn’t particularly relevant, nor does it provide a silver bullet.

Doubtless there are other things the leadership agrees with that I don’t, and some that I do. In some cases, my views probably represent the majority, and in some cases they don’t. Such is life.

I know for example there are folk in Alba who are passionately devoted to restricting the franchise for future referendums, but most in my experience disagree with them, and the leadership certainly does. That doesn’t stop those folk arguing their case though: purportedly Republic of Scotland in here is an Alba member too, and I’m sure some agree with his world view. Again in my (admittedly subjective personal) experience he doesn’t represent the majority. Perhaps it’s his brach that is different.

When an unelected representative of the crown seizes from the people control of the executive and legislative bodies and hands it to the crown, you do not have “a legal, limited monarchy” which is what Scotland’s constitution recognised as legal. What you have is a despotic power exercising absolute rule and overruling popular sovereignty. That is in direct violation of the Claim of Right 1689 and therefore unconstitutional.

I don’t accept your analysis that that is what happened, but even if it’s true (or at least arguable), tell us how we overturn this unconstitutional turn of events then? I don’t buy all the Salvo arguments, and nor from what I’ve read do many lawyers. However, if they’re that strong, then surely they will prevail. Again: Go do!

She was neither working for Scotland neither for the SNP as a political vehicle of independence. She has been destroying it on behalf of somebody else.

You’re free to believe that if you like. Perhaps history will even show that you were right and I’ll be forced to eat my words. I have my doubts though. It just sounds like a lot of fervid, tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorising. Just because people desperately want something to be true, doesn’t mean it becomes more convincing.

Never attribute to malice what can more reasonably be attributed to stupidity, or possibly cupidity, in the case of the devolutionists in the SNP.

BlackRock now own Scotland’s airports and ports.

Larry Fink says “infrastructure is really important”

asked whether he would like to invest in some reverse-combo asian lookback bermuda options in high yield debt as part of his company porfolio, he chuckled :

we sell that shite, mate, we don’t buy the fucking crap – this is real, actual, wealth, not that funny money phoney baloney out of thin air toilet paper …

Since BlackRock came to Edinburgh, their chief, Fink, has adopted the northern edinbugger patois and is now recognised as a valid “wide-o” and likes his “snout” (HIBZ BOOYYZZ!)

– further asked if he would invest in the newly proposed Global Temperature Future funds, he transformed violently and spasmodically into an eerie simulcrum of The Joker and said simply

everyone gets what they fucking deserve …

BlackRock – if SPECTRE did TED-talks

Mark Beggan says on 12 January 2024 at 8:14 pm:
“This is what seeking Scottish Independence at all costs gets you. We are paying the price now…rampant homosexuals parading their debauchery with pride..”

You truly are a nasty ignorant bigot. What the f@ck has homosexuality got to do with all this? Let’s see now, why are you not lambasting all your beloved BritNat politicians as paedophiles, eh?

Homosexuals aren’t responsible for all this gender stuff, you ignorant Nazi bigot. But your beloved Westminster has a historical connection to paedophilia. Away and get educated, you moron. And stay off the glue.

Are you really Manky Jaikit in disguise? LOL!

@ Stocker

So I take you don’t agree. My point is that you assume I’m a Unionist. You read my words and grabbed your claymore and charged. Easy to bate you. The Indy trip is over. The come down is a bitch. You’ve been had by the Gay Parade. Have a ki kat

Mia

Any polling figures for the proposed Scottish replacement for the monarchy?

Let me take a wild guess – the respondents were asked their views on the monarchy but in true failure to think things through mode, nobody was asked what they want as a replacement Scottish Head of State.

And so us thinking Sovereign Scots are left pondering whether we will be expected to swear an oath of allegiance to HY, or some other such pretendy, fraudulent, useless, disgraceful, international laughing stock.

Over, first, hell, freeze, will.

Rearrange into a well known phrase or saying.

ndy Ellis
Ignored says:
13 January, 2024 at 6:21 pm
@Mia 5.33pm

That you, personally, do not care about the Claim of Right, does not mean nobody else cares.’
Having lately come down off the hill, and being tired such that I can’t face the walk to the pub-I took a look at the Claim of Right.
If I have it right this is an Act passed by the ‘Old Scottish Parliament ‘in 1689.
It appears to be a rant against ‘Popery’, and goes to some lengths in that regard; not, I might say, very Inclusive. Or indeed sane.
The lifespan of a man being limited I limited my perusal but I think I can say with some certainty that this (if it be the Act endlessly referred to on here) is not a sound basis for government today. Or ever.
That said, those old-time bigots would be pleased that at least your current leader is not a follower of the Bishop of Rome.

Tommo

If you can summon up the strength of will, you should have a look at the Declaration Of Arbroath!

The boasts about the genocide of the Picts within it read very badly to most modern Sovereign and New Scots.

I favour forgetting all Guff more Ancient than 60 years and making the simple economic case for Indy. That remains a minority view among the regulars on here, but so what. In politics, as somebody once said, everything is impossible, right up to the point at which it becomes inevitable.

John Main @ 7:55 pm

“interfering with their merchant shipping”

Neither the USA nor UK has any ‘merchant shipping’ fleet of any note. The UK has had no major container lines since P&O was acquired by Maersk some 20 years ago, as was the USA’s Sea-Land Service Inc. Both USA and UK now depend on third countries carriers to transport their trade which is very heavily imbalanced, dominated by imports.

In other words the actions of the UK and USA have little to do with protecting ‘their’ ships, because they don’t have any.

@Mia 7.18pm

Who calls this convention then?
How are those in the convention selected?
Who eleects the convention?
Impeaching the government (I assume you mean Holyrood govt?) on what grounds?
What statute would be used and which lawyers have verified it has any chance of success?
Who puts the crown on notice? Of what? What does it even mean?

Falling support for the monarchy is a plus, if unsurprising given the current incumbent, but I’m not sure why you think it’s relevant?

In my view the Post Office Scandal has presented the SNP with an open goal because all three major Yoon parties are up to their diseased corrupt necks in it.

However the SNP itself has become so corrupted buy the Brit and Westminster Corruptocracy and so i9nfitarted by MI5/MI6 Yoons and Wokists that it is incapable of taking advantage of this.

A sordid and sorry afterthought….

Maybe Scotland’s “slumber” isn’t the sanitised Disney cartoon version of Snow White. It’s probably closer to Beatrix the Bride’s comatose condition in Tarantino’s Kill Bill.

Sorry if that shocks you, but tell me how I’m wrong.

“I’m not sure why you think it’s relevant?”
Goodness, isn’t it obvious?
What effect on public acceptance of the monarchy (and politicians) do you think realisation that the whole political edifice in Scotland is nothing more than a facade to cover up for the fact that the crown might be exercising absolute rule whenever it pleases?

And what do you think is going to happen when that realisation of betrayal grows to critical mass?

How long do you think the monarchy (and its rotten political construct) can continue limping on if public support permanently falls below 40%?

“Who calls this convention then?”
Who called the original convention of the estates?
Who called the convention of 1989?

“How are those in the convention selected?”
How were those in the original convention of the estates selected?
How were those in the convention of 1989 selected?

“Who eleects the convention?”
Who elected the original convention of the estates?
Who elected the convention of 1989?

“Impeaching the government (I assume you mean Holyrood govt?) on what grounds?”
Yes, I do mean Holyrood government. On what grounds you ask. Goodness, have you been sleeping for the last 9 years? Isn’t there more than enough to impeach them 50 times over?

“Who puts the crown on notice?”
Who removed the crown from James VII and handed it to William and Mary?

“Of what?”
Abuse of power
Encroachment on the people’s sovereignty.
Breach of the Claim of Right and consequently breach of one of the fundamental conditions of the treaty of union that is currently supporting the right of this royal line to the throne.

“What does it even mean?”
What do you think it means?

“So ownership of Edinburgh airport together with a swathe of Scottish ports has transferred to Blackrock”

What is happening in Scotland mirrors exactly what is happening a UK level:

Many say that every now and then a UK labour government is needed to implement the toxic policies the tories would not dare to. If the tories implemented those toxic policies, they would never be elected again. But tory governments have to be the default UK government and labour just the exception, because that is how the aristocracy retains its power and privileges, and keeps democracy at bay in the 21st century.

So what is the solution? Transform the labour party into a hollowed out empty vessel and then fill it up with covert tories. The present labour leader is more right wing than the ERG and more of a warmonger than many tories. The same applied to Blair. Mr Corbyn did not fit the profile therefore he could never be let anywhere near n10.

But Labour is a pro-colonialism party because it is most keen to retain for Scotland the status of colony what come may. If Labour was in control of Scotland’s government while the British estate conducted a savage asset stripping, the immediate consequence would be a massive backlash against unionism and unstoppable progress towards independence. No, the British state could not have that. The asset stripping and irreparable damage had to be seen by the people to be done by the SNP so the backlash was directed towards nationalism.

We see the same strategy used at UK level and Scotland. The only thing that changes is the brand of trojan horse.

Which entity orchestrated the hollowing out of Labour and its pulling to the right and warmongering?

Which entity orchestrated the raise of Yousaf to the position of SNP leader in what had to be the doggiest leadership context in Scotland’s democratic history?

Which entity has enough contempt for democracy to do such thing?

What/who were all those SPADS and Civil Servants in Scotland helping to prop up Yousaf’s leadership campaign really working for?

Could it be the same entity which orchestrated the pull of labour to the right?

Democracy in the UK and certainly in Scotland is an illusion. It has never been more obvious than now. We are being taken for fools.

Willie
Ain`t that the truth .
Scotland has been systematically asset stripped and its industries dismantled. We used to have our own Scottish supermarkets, no more. We had Car, Steel, Ship Building industries but these are all gone now. In an oil producing country our only refinery is closing. Switch on the television and Scotland doesn`t exist, it`s English sport, quizzes, comedies, drama`s, cooking, history and everything else. The biggest land owners are foreign.
Scotland has ceased to be a country and is now a dependency, its “proud” Scots mere gutless serfs run by a bunch of Holyrood collaborators.

@Alf Baird 8.49pm

The ownership of the ships and the fact the UK divested itself of a merchant marine is besides the point surely? Would it be OK for the Danish navy to protect Maersk Line ships because they’re Danish? Perhaps every ship should have it’s own national navy escort it through the Red Sea?

The Chinese seem to have pretensions of developing a blue water navy these days: perhaps they could pull themselves away for helping to prepare to invade Taiwan and extinguish its democracy and run a convoy system to protect neutral shipping (i.e. only ships the Houthis say are allowed).

Even then, presumably the Houthis will still feel free to attack other ships for some perceived link to Israel, or the Great Satan or the Little Satan. I see they attacked a ship by mistake the other day with Iranian oil headed for Russia so they seem to be just taking pot shots based on no real intelligence.

10 % of world shipping goes via the Red Sea, 20% of container shipping, 10% of seaborne oil and 8& of LNG.

Why should a bunch of islamo-fascist terrorists in Yemen be allowed to bring a good proportion of international trade to a halt, with global impacts on many of the poorest, including many ordinary workers who will face higher costs, shortages, lay offs and increased prices?

If the US, UK and others aren’t going to act to protect free passage there and elsewhere, who will? The UN? Some other neutral organisation? How’s that going to work then, and who is paying for it?

The UN doesn’t have that great a record in conflict situations, and even where it does it’s usually only because those in conflict are exhausted and have stopped fighting allowing the UN to keep them apart: even then violence can still go on round about them and over their heads as the Lebanese situation amply demonstrates.

I’d be curious to see a poll on whether people believe independence can be achieved (anymore) at the ballot box.

I know I used to, but I don’t now.

Reading the above about the asset stripping, land ownership, de-industrialization etc etc, it is clear as day. You don’t asset strip your ‘own’ country do you.

The SNP was the vehicle ‘we’ democratically formed and they corrupted it from the inside. We have to play by the rules, obey all the laws. They don’t.

Just look at the Salmond stitch-up, Scotland’s JFK moment, a preventative coup d’etat. They pretty much got away with it. Still are thanks to Dorrian & co.

There is no outrage in Scotland over anything. Just a lot of hot air.

The truth of it is we are powerless because we have been disempowered very deliberately and systematically.

So I am curious how many others no longer believe in our democracy. (I am not sure it ever existed seeing events of the last ten years.)

Sunak versus Starmer. It is not just Scotland, is it.

As my father said to me the day after the vote in 2014, ‘even if we won we were going to lose’.

Here is a sitting President of the USA in a tweet that was disgracefully deleted by twitter. Listen to what he is actually saying (and he is not lying nor mistaken).

vidmax.com/video/225378-reminder-this-video-was-deleted-from-president-trump-s-account-by-twitter-on-january-6th-2021-shortly-after-it-was-tweeted-out

Given that ‘they’ are doing this, does anyone really believe they would think twice about squashing our hopes and aspirations.

Seems to me we in the West have been quietly moved into a post democracy age. We can see the signs all around us. We don’t even know who is really in charge anymore (because it ain’t Joe Biden).

The P@lestinians are the canary in the coal mine. When they start trying to normalize genocide and ethnic cleansing in 2024 you know the game is nearly up.

I think the collapse of the US empire (and the splintering of the US itself) would probably be the single most beneficial thing for the Scottish independence movement. Hell, we might even be allowed to have one…

link to axios.com

“Hundreds of people are spending tens of millions of dollars to install a pre-vetted, pro-Trump army of up to 54,000 loyalists across government to rip off the restraints imposed on the previous 46 presidents.

The screening for ready-to-serve loyalists has already begun, driven in part by artificial intelligence from tech giant Oracle, contracted for the project.”

If Trump were to win, thousands of Trump-first loyalists would be ready for legal, judicial, defense, regulatory and domestic policy jobs. His inner circle plans to purge anyone viewed as hostile to the hard-edged, authoritarian-sounding plans he calls “Agenda 47.”

My thoughts are this:

This is what we need in Scotland. When Alex Salmond comes to power again. We need the ability to sack civil servants. They running amock and stealing everything. We should be able to sack everyone of them. Calmac ferries. Contractors. Procurement contractors. Listen. Fucking gut the government like a fucking fish.

Humza will be meeting with Dorothy Stain of the Clown office of Clowns as we speak – Nicola’s protector.

Just like Gillian Sturgeon who was arrested for spitting on her ex.

It appears that Humza’s family are as common as muck just like the Sturgeon sisters.

I hope the honest officers of police had to draw their batons.

Fucking restore law and order boys.

As for Trump I would not be cheering his return to the White House.

He is dead set against Independence, described the idea as ‘crazy’ if memory serves me well.

He was also the US president before, during, and after the attempted Salmond stitch-ups (civil & then criminal).

So if it was a US inspired / driven operation it is highly likely he green-lighted it.

Bear in mind he had a publicized spat with the Scottish Government under Salmond (wind farms I think it was).

He boasts about how he ‘always gets his revenge’. He prides himself on it.

He has substantial investments in Scotland which he likely believes would be harmed as a result of independence.

So if that ‘operation’ to take down Salmond, was presented to him as an option during his first term, I could see him approving it. It ticks a lot of his boxes.

So if Trump got fucked by the same forces he set loose against Salmond (and Scotland and all of us) it is perhaps poetic justice at least on a personal level. I am more concerned about the rigging of the US election, not Trump’s personal loss.

He will be no friend to us as president is all I know.

He also spent most of his first term trying to crawl up Benjamin Net@nyahu’s arsehole. Appointed his idiot son-in-law and daughter. Could not tell who were his political friends and enemies, kept giving people the job who were working against him… We will see what happens next time around.

David Hannah
Ignored
says:
14 January, 2024 at 11:04 am

Last thing I’ll say about the Muslim families.

We know they are all very close. And generations of them live in the same households or neighbouring homes.

It is a problem when you have a load of different communities within the community especially for the white, white, white heterosexual/gay community.

@Willie says:14 January, 2024 at 8:34 am

I don’t agree that it took a bully dog change Humza’s mind. No, a mere word from the colonial master to lap dog would have been enough

I think you’re over-complicating things. Here’s a wee script. SSF stands for “Sovereign Scot Flunky”.

SCENE – the private quarters of his imperial highness HY.

TIME – just after morning prayers. Important business of the day is being shaped.

SSF: “They’re banning XL Bullies in England, your Excellency”.

HY: “Hmmm, how innarestin. Draw up a decree – Scotland shall progressively welcome XL Bullies with open arms – announce we have found £600,000 cash which shall be ringfenced for the campaign – Let it be done immediately”.

SSF: “At once, your Excellency”.

2 days later:

HY: [tearing at beard and screaming] “Must I always be served by fools? Why did nobody advise me an XL Bully is a breed of that accursed spawn of Shaitan, the filthy, unclean dog? Ban them immediately, and bring me the heads of those responsible for this misadvice”.

SSF: “Erm, We shall see to the ban forthwith, your Immaculate Radiance, but the heads may take a day or two …” [exits backwards, bowing repeatedly and deeply]

SSF2: “Ahem, about that £600,000 then. Shall we hide it again?”

CURTAIN

“Seems to me we in the West have been quietly moved into a post democracy age. We can see the signs all around us. We don’t even know who is really in charge anymore (because it ain’t Joe Biden).”

Correct Mac.

The genocide against the Palestinian people by the Zionists is a prime example of this, firstly under UN Law Israel has NO RIGHT to defend itself simply because its an occupying force killing indiscriminately within the occupied lands of Palestine.

The West HASN’T stepped in to stop the genocide/ethnic cleansing, most EU leaders have preferred to play down the the Zionists genocide, and the reasons for this is that the EU is answerable to the Great Satan (US) which itself is captured by big business (MIC) and pro-Israel lobby groups and very wealthy pro-Israeli individuals.

link to mintpressnews.com

The hypocrisy of Western politicians knows no bounds as only weeks ago the UK proposed at the Hague that Myanmar was committing genocide against the Rohingya people, and a little bit further back the utterly corrupt ICC issued a warrant for the arrest of of the leader of RF.

I fear that there’s far too much at stake here for the West and it leaders starting with, The President of the ICJ Joan E. Donoghue (who is currently chairing the Hearings) was a legal advisor to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton under the Obama administration she is a U.S. appointee, we can almost see her string under bright red gown.

link to globalresearch.ca

Its likely the ICJ judges will be bribed, coerced or threatened to come down on the side of Israel, or at the very least declare its not genocide, for if the judges stayed true to the evidence it would mean the likes of Sunak. Biden and Scholz, and many other Western leaders would be in the dock at the Hague guilty of aiding and abetting Zionist war crimes, remember they couldn’t even bring Blair or Bush to trial when they committed war crimes in Iraq.

There is the very slim chance that the ICJ judges will do the right thing, such as when they ruled against the UK with the Chagos Islands in mind, but I’m not that confident that they’ll do the right thing this time.

In my opinion its not just the Zionists that are on trial here, the ICJ and the West are on trial as well to do the right thing.

I have wondered for a long time if the ‘racist hate crime law’ or whatever it’s called has protected ethnic minority criminals in a similar way as the ‘transgender hate crime bill’ is protecting transgender deviants.

Now indecent exposure, voyeurism and police sexual abuse etc is now all perfectly legal if you identify as a woman.

All these ‘Humza hate crimes’ are not helping to make us less transphobic/racist they are just making us more racist & transphobic/homophobic.

All these misogynists (fish smellers) from the ‘gay community’ being brought to the public’s attention is definitely not helping vis a vis homophobia.

I have never had any problems with gay people. I don’t call them a community. I have just seen them as part of the community. Always have but that has changed.

I have always been aware of the ‘fish smellers’ but they have never bothered me up until now.

Their dislike of fishy smells I put down to their sexual preference which is fair enough but now I see it more like out and out hatred of women (absolute misogyny)

These guys & the transgenders I do see as a separate community. I would call them the ‘Fetishists,Sexual Deviants & Misogynists’ community

Lots of problems in ‘the communities’.

The white, white, white heterosexual ‘community’ have been ignoring these problems up until now. Thankfully you have started to wake up and stop seeing headlines about ‘transgenderism’ and thinking I’m not going to read that rubbish.

Thank you guys for being awake and not woke.

On the subject of conversion therapy I have known woman who fancied gay men (who can blame them they often dress well, have great after-shave, personal grooming and can be very witty) sadly the conversion therapy never worked and the woman was always left broken heart and the gay man remained gay.

Hey teacher you can just shut-up about stereotyping gay man. I have a bad case of diarrhea today and
I have a note from my mother saying I can’t attend your class today

“So I am curious how many others no longer believe in our democracy. (I am not sure it ever existed seeing events of the last ten years.)”

More than ten years, yes; much more… Since at least 1980 (probably long before) that I’m aware of every social advance made since WW2 has been stripped away; such that ‘the great unwashed’ are returned to ‘GeoVictWardian’ levels of oppression inequality and poverty. The latter has always been a ‘growth industry’ – they don’t eliminate poverty because it provides a nice steady living for the rudderless entitled – the Milngavie Mafia as we used to call them back in the Red Road.

– Troughers, feeding off disadvantage by making a case out of it. Useless patronising idiots with ‘degrees’ in nothing of any practical use; self serving self aggrandising, self justifying; simply born in the ‘right’ place to the ‘right’ parents. – Their talk of social justice being as empty as the reality of their skillset. – Injelitant; and fearful of those not so born to privilege and entitlement, especially those with greater intelligence and/or more useful skill than them.

Sunak versus Starmer. It is not just Scotland, is it.

No… of course it’s not.

Stopped-clock Mhairi Black is entirely correct in highlighting how having spent a third of her life (The Standard, 8th Aug 2023) at Westminser; the place now turns her stomach. – Another other stopped clock Cherry is clearly waiting for the hands to come round to meet her when she points out that Black may not understand how politics works.

If you’re reading Ms Cherry the issue is more likely to be that Black does know exactly how politics works; and this is something growing numbers of the great unwashed also understand. Your rhetoric in response was, Joanna, entirely deflective – pointing out the ‘work’ (a day’s real work would kill most of your kind) of your nationalist colleagues ‘little-known in Scotland outside of the politics bubble’.

You did what Politicians do by instinct; don’t look there look here! – Refusing to address the issue like that is fundamentally dishonest; but it’s what Politicians do, that is how politics works… and has worked for a long time.

I well-remember a time – almost a quarter century ago – when there was a predatory paedophile ‘working’ certain Scottish villages; organising the local cohort of stumbling drinks and hopeless druggies – in the habit of abusing their own (frequently inbred) offspring; in what was (still is) a literal ‘dead end’. – For the avoidance of doubt, this was proved over a decade later (in 2013) when the ringleader was eventually caught and convicted – as was one of his cohorts on separate offences.

Organised crime of the worst imaginable kind taking place openly in the middle of the road on a forgotten semi-rural, Scottish council estate… One of your clown-shod collective Joanna (since elevated to high office) was the local councillor at the time.

When this matter was ‘raised’ with the local council and the police, they closed ranks to protect the paedophiles and drug dealers . ‘Politically’ you see, the issues were ‘contained’ to small run-down no-hope ghettos. – With what was going on being ‘engineered’ by the corrupt and perverted within what should have been ‘guardian agencies’.

They turned on a (legitimate) Journalist who’d had the misfortune to be housed in this hell-hole, who had attempted first to obtain help from the authorities; ultimately in desperation utilising their contacts and skills to gain exposure of the problem in the Press…

Clown shoes… ‘Widow Twankey’ as they are frequently known these days by the great unwashed, expressed their outrage at the whistleblower’s actions, describing the place where 12-year-old girls were being plied with drink (and worse) by 35-year+ old men, then dragged into the bushed to be buffed senseless as, ‘a hard working, close knit community’.

…That’s yer actual politics for you Joanna. Couldn’t have the anointed narcissist ‘alienated’ from their ‘voter base’; especially as they themselves were a local; in the Royston Vasey sense!

That’s how politics works…

25 years on… with the ringleader having been caught, convicted served his time; and one of his lieutenants having died (found in a stairwell at Sauchton “incontinent of faeces, cold, clammy and sweating profusely”) while serving a 10-year stretch for raping girls as young as 9! – Where do the ‘politics’ of the situation lead?

It’s ironic that the one who died in Saughton got such good medical care… the Journalist who attempted to expose him and his ‘gaffer’ 25 years ago – the whistleblower – cannot get proper access to an NHS GP (being mucked about by the local ‘Primary Care’ cabal as revenge for rocking the boat); this being something previously raised at FM level (Sturgeon) and with the HS (Freeman) – is clearly then something which goes on with the approval of Politicians.

That’s how politics works… puerile, vicious, amoral, vindictive. Tiny fragile

That person (the Journalist) lives with a chronic, serious, respiratory condition. They were effectively (and illegally) denied access to life-essential medication for nearly 2 years, having to buy what little they could afford (their capacity for work now being severely impacted); eventually collapsing and almost losing their life – saved by the A&E team at St John’s.

They still don’t have proper access to a GP and only-partial access to some of the medication they need. – They’re still buying meds from English Pharmacies on private prescription. Then of course there’s the local council… which carries on its nearly quarter-century old vendetta by mucking this individual about over their council tax payments and various other issues.

…That’s how politics works.

Consider the Post Office Scandal which we’re all now very aware of; because somebody had to make it into a TV drama to draw it back into the public eye. That’s of about the same vintage (though much larger scale obviously) as the paedophile ring I cite… there’s a similar pattern of dishonesty involved: the same rote management culture.

Shoot the messenger – even though lives are being devastated and there clear and serious problems; deflect blame and allow the corrupt and dishonest thing to go on. Politicians knew and tacitly approved what went on… The BBC bleats: “I didn’t know about Horizon prosecutions, says Keir Starmer” – Ed Davey takes a similar tack yet his own party tries to deflect with;

“The scandal took place over many years from 1999, during which time different governments and ministers from all parties were in post.”

…Yes Ed; that’s right; and do note this carefully Joanna; Politicians knew because they were in post and it was their job to know!

It took a gaggle of actors and TV production people to bring this to the boil. – Because that’s how politics work.

I recall back when that local paedophile story was ‘simmering’ away one of the local council ‘leaders’ dismissing the matter (in the press) as something that would ‘soon blow over’; trying to pretend it was exaggeration and of no consequence. – The ruination of young lives and abuse of young girls; later to be proven as true in the courts.

Look at the stupefying dishonesty (and childish denials) of Boris & Co with respect to events during the COVID crisis; the corruption, the cronyism the theft of public monies by filtering huge sums to their pals. – It’s still going on. The breathtaking lack-of-awareness on the part of Mone… the dodging the weaving.

And the SNP… Its pipsqueak-level gutter corruption with Mickey-mouse campervans being stashed on the auld-maw’s drive and missing monies.

There is something of the Dunning-Kruger effect in the fact that such a group sought to ‘stitch up’ Alex Salmond (of whom I’m not a fan, for the record) over a sex scandal – they’re a bunch of predatory perverts; so must everybody else be! – The plain fact is that politics – of every shade and grade – has, for a very long time, been the domain of choice for the corrupt and dishonest.

Thinking back to that Paedophile ring that ran in the Lothians, with one might reasonably opine ‘political approval’; I do start to wonder who was connected to who and what back then – as the sheer number of sex-obsessed deviants that have now infiltrated the party (and Holyrood and politics generally) is utterly astonishing.

Focusing back on the matter of Scottish Independence; it’s like poverty – which they don’t really work to eliminate because it’s so lucrative for the other wise ‘useless eaters’ of the middle classes! It’s an industry! -Self-serving, self aggrandising and corrupt…

The Westminster troughers don’t want it for the obvious reason it puts them out of a well-paid job and fancy lifestyle… Black’s perfectly correct in this respect and so are the many others that point this out.

‘The Corporation’ (see the Achbar-Abbot documentary to get the reference) – That is to say the self-serving business which is the SNP; they certainly don’t want a reduction in the number of ‘slots’ available for their parasitic cronies to feed off. – And the same goes for all the other parties operating in Scotland.

For that reason no, I no longer believe independence can be achieved at the ballot box and won’t condone violent means… As a dyed in the wool ‘small n’ Scottish nationalist; I think that was just a line we were fed at one time. – And even if it were possible; none of those currently involved in politics are fit and proper people; you couldn’t trust them with a Pedlar’s licence to flog tea towels round the doors!

As has been the case many times in the past; I strongly suspect the ballot paper I return will be scored through with the words ‘none fit to hold office’ scrawled across it. – A futile gesture I know; especially as they don’t even report the number of spoiled papers honestly!

Alert readers know that John Main just makes stuff up.

Queen Anne never under-took the scottish Coronation Oath during her coronation in England.

Why does this matter?
It matters due to the following fake history fed to Scots.

1: queen Anne could not Officialy choose the Commisioners for or on behalf of Scotland.

2: she could not give royal assent on behalf of Scotland to the treaty of union.

3:she could not dissolve the parliament of Scotland in and from England,

4: Having pronounced the latter under proclamation whilst being Coronated as queen of England under her Oath to England she eliminated the “Scots parliament” from Englands parliament of Westminster without succeeding to a union of Crowns or parliaments.

England is the sole member in the treaty of union in the territory of England.
And the old parliament of England never dissolved the old parliament of Englands upper House of Lords to create the union of One Great- Britain parliament,

The treaty of union was the propaganda.of its day, and Scots had no way of checking the reality of that information 300 years ago,

The academics and the people of Scotland have no excuse to hold onto this false conception of the treaty of union today if they claim they have any intellect,

Loving your work Mr Cairns.

A pity the SNP weren’t as easy to get rid of as a bunch of ugly, fur covered land sharks.

The sooner the morally, intellectualy and, if not already then soon, financially bankrupt SNP are got rid, the better.

Indy for Scotland!
SNP Out!

Johnlm
Ignored
says:
14 January, 2024 at 1:19 pm

Alert readers know that John Main just makes stuff up.

Sadly not in a creative way!

He’s a creative writer OK but he hasn’t a hope of in hell of getting any of his work published. IMHO

Same applies to his BFF. The only place they have any hope of getting published is here on Wings. Hence it’s popularity for ‘Los dos profesores constipados’

Thankfully we are not obliged to read their ‘creative writing’ and we don’t even need a forged note saying you have diarrhea and can’t be schooled today.

I don’t know what has happen to ROS. Ach well ‘chacun a son gout’ that’s another phrase I learned in the French O grade class.

That seems to now be part of British English but those who didn’t do O grade French might think it means everyone to their own arthritis.

It must have been le gout (masculine gender) back in the day but goodness knows what it is now.
Back then her gout was always his gout even if she was non binary.
Fisherthem FFS! It’s mental

Hey teacher shut up about ‘constipado’ just being a head cold. Not everyone did O grade Spanish and those who didn’t will get the message.

John Main.

A pathetic attempt to smear South Africa, even if your points are true (Quora, one of Y Combinators 4,000 start ups) how does any of it negate the FACT that the Zionist occupying forces are committing genocide/ethnic cleansing in occupied Palestine, and lets not forget that plenty of other nations ARE backing South Africa’s case at the Hague.

David Hannah @ 14.44

Elizabeth El Maged- Nakla, mother of the FM’s wife, is a Scots Dundonian I believe. A retired nurse.

Andy Ellis 1:23pm

Democracy Is Where A Wise Man Is Outvoted By Two Idiots – Supposedly said by Adolf Hitler but then again more than likely FAKE like all of the other “quotes” and LIES and PROPAGANDA put out about him and his party since WW2 to cover up the REAL truth about that period. The real truth is the victors always write the history to suit their agenda an agenda that has been continuing since then and everything that is going on today is part of that agenda that every single political party and most governments are involved in hence why they have all handed over the power to call pandemic lockdown’s and power to FORCE the TOXIC vaccines on everyone to the WHO for the SOON to be next SPARS SCAMDEMIC Lockdown which could just be a matter of months away.

Democracy is actually as I have said many times an ILLUSION created by the Mafias that own and control this planet to con the dumb masses into thinking that they have some power and that voting makes a difference. Doesn’t matter what political party gets into power as they are all Private Corporations as are the UN, EU, WHO, Countries, Governments, Councils, Health Service, Hospitals, Courts, Police etc all operating this Bonded Slave System via the Birth Certificates and NI Numbers on behalf of the so called Royals, Rothschild’s and their bosses at the Vatican Mafia.

That is what your Democracy is and as I have said before this entire scam system was Foreclosed (SHUT DOWN) in 2012 and all of the totally FAKE debt was written off in 2013 as per my video The Democracy Illusion Everything Is WAS A Corporation on my William Woods Youtube channel and the legal documents linked under that video.

You have all been free since 2012 and both unionists and independence folk on here are arguing away to continue to be part of that scam system and arguing away about Constitutions, Claims, Declarations, Acts etc that are part of that SCAM Democracy as well. No wonder these Mafias have an easy time suckering and conning you all when you are all like stuck records who will not use your brains to go and educate yourself to the real reality and truth of this world and “Democracy” etc.

How would you even know if someone was a Scots Dundonian?

Do they need a tartan tie or tartan scarf so you can know?

I would imagine there are people in Dundee who consider themselves British.

It’s tough if they don’t ‘cos thanks to the NO voters they are all British.

@ Ruby

Re. Getting creative with words… Flashback

link to wingsoverscotland.com

link to wingsoverscotland.com

I’m working on another book where Mrs Harris takes up Euronymphing!
But due to the loss of her EU citizenship making jaunts to mainland Europe more awkward, instead of enduring the additional hassle of travelling to the European mainland to engage in servicing the needs of highly sexually charged females, it’s a more tranquil endeavor where she pulls out her pink and purple gammarus and casts it into the chilly river waters of Scotland to attract a Grayling.

Is our Dundonian tartan tie wearing first minister Scottish.

He looked very British to me when I saw him in the castle when the King came for the stone.

I’m not fooled by tartan ties. Brit Nats also wear the tartan tie and why not.

The tartan tie doesn’t mean much but the ‘Dundonian Continuity Boy’ doesn’t know that.

He thinks it means we are fooled into thinking he supports Scottish independence.
Actions speak louder than tartan ties!

If the tartan tie means anything it is probably more that you are British not Scottish.

The whole of the Royal Mile is jam packed with tartan ties, tartan skirts for men and all things tartan. None of it is Scottish. All made in China.

The tartan ties and tartan skirts for men could just as easily mean you are Chinese.

I’ve called these ‘kilts’ skirts for men because they are a very long way from what I think of as a kilt.

Some people pronounce kilt as cult.

Up yer cult and up yer tartan skirt!

Somehow I just can’t find any sympathy within myself for this man.

“BBC Scotland’s political editor Glenn Campbell has been diagnosed with an incurable brain cancer. But the veteran journalist has insisted he’s “as lucky as someone in my position can be. It is almost certainly what will kill me, but I am optimistic”.”

link to nitter.net

Ruby wrote:

“You are not an independence support, not a supporter of Alba? Or is it that you just don’t like the man Alex Salmond? Wot is he too fat, too cuddly?

Anyway I stopped there and gave you the X.”

So what, Ruby? Nobody cares who you‘give the x’ to; as I’ve pointed out before – it does precisely nothing. Nor (for the record) does anyone need a lesson in HTML; which some of us first learned well over 30 years ago – and used to teach (nearly a quarter-century ago) at college (HNC/D) level.

…I mention that because I noticed you pontificating on the subject elsewhere.

Nobody cares Ruby… you’re not important or relevant. Nor, for that matter am I… none of us are of any value to politicos until there is a ballot paper to be crossed – or not.

It is often necessary to point out that one does not worship at the feet of the man who crawled so enthusiastically up Trump’s backside back in the day, when also pointing out how he has been wronged. Likewise, if you lived through the destruction of Scotland’s FE system; you did so at a time when Salmond was at the helm. – And may well, consequently, have formed the opinion that he is an easily-led, self-serving useless great balloon!

An easily-led sycophantic and disingenuous man, who held the rudder while the part of our education system which has the most important role; that of teaching real-world skills to our trades people and practical professionals – was sold down the river to sate the appetites of petty-snobs, rote managers and stats-chasers; whist simultaneously ensuring that those who can, are excluded from the chalk face.

As incredible as it will seem to those of limited understanding – to support Scottish independence is not necessarily the same thing as supporting the SNP, or Alba or any other party or individual.

It’s risible (for example) that when one is ‘discovered’ to be in favour of ending the so-called ‘union’, one one is very often – routinely in fact – met with a load of tosh about how bad Sturgeon and Salmond and the SNP are/have been… as if they were it!

You’re a Scottish nationalist (small n) so must (a) hate the English and (b) support/vote SNP. That’s how politics works – it’s also how zealotry works and the diminution of critical independent thought (essential to any quasi-religious herding) is achieved.

I’m sorry (for you) that you apparently feel the need to ‘hero worship’ anyone. That’s a common human failing… It’s your loss if you failed or refused the rest of what I wrote; just because I ‘dissed’ your dear, cuddly (euch!) Ally-wally-kins.

Lifelong… dyed-in-the-wool ‘small n’ Scottish Nationalist; and for most of my adult life an SNP voter and supporter. The SNP leader that first let me down was Alex Salmond…

But there are few more heinous false accusations you can make against a man than that he is a sex-pest or worse-still a rapist. And it remains a measure of just how disgustingly low the SNP and its leadership and its staff and all who continue to be a part of that machine (and certain people who do know me, know exactly who that is directed at) that the SNP laid those accusations in the first place and continues to support them.

Incidentally Ruby… if you bother to rake up the old ‘Business for Scotland’ indyref poster/ad; you’ll find my name there right above Michelle Thompson’s.- And what a shambles that too has turned into!

But then… that’s how politics and politicos work; even when they’re pretending to be something else.

Ruby… you seem to have an over-inflated notion of your own importance for someone that lacks the courage and integrity to put their own full name to their posts. Similarly; that conspicuity this odd wee corner of cyberspace should be thought of any great importance. – It’s relevant that you are/were (apparently) unable to offer any kind of counter (cogent or otherwise) to anything I wrote.

Now… if only that ‘ignore’ function would actually clean the forum of clutter! – Pity there’s no-one who can actually code beyond a level that might have been acceptable in 1994, around to sort this out! But nobody cares who goes on your wee list Ruby. Nobody but you; you’re the only one that can see it.

@Mia 3.58pm

I am indeed a founder member of the Alba party. Like any party, their aim is to gain power in democratic elections in order to enact their platform. As far as I’m aware that doesn’t include a belief in silver bullets and short cuts to independence. The similar procedures used before won’t work because it’s not the 17th century or 1989.

Show me a legal opinion that substantiates any non-parliamentary route to independence, or a majority of Scots endorsing such a method, and I’ll get on board. Until then, like the vast majority I’ll remain unconvinced: that’s the job of those who insist it’s a slam dunk. So far they, and you, are coming up empty. Imagine our surprise!

Another red-boxer: it’s just not worth the effort. If only it actually caused your verbose contributions to disappear too!

David Hannah
Ignored says:
14 January, 2024 at 2:44 pm
We need some investigative journalism into the Naklas.’

This reminds me of something odd dating back to the outbreak of violence in Gaza. The BBC became very exercised about the plight of British citizens unable to escape Gaza to Egypt. BBC Radio 4 at lunchtime spoke to one British citizen; the BBC woman said to him that he had a ‘large family’ which apparently included children and his mother. He agreed. This being the BBC she did not, of course, ask just how big his family was.
It appeared that the whole lot of them had been ‘on holiday’ in Gaza for three months (Coincidentally, no doubt, the maximum time one can keep a UK NHS card before-in theory-returning it ).
As a starter this holidaying would seem to undermine the description of Gaza as, variously, an ‘open air prison’ or ‘hellhole’.
Call me Mr Suspicious but I wonder if this is an established practice; do these people actually live-and perhaps work-in Gaza ?; presumably any benefits due in the UK (Family allowance as a bare minimum) would continue to be paid unless the authorities were notified. Need to ‘sign on’, or have a family member in need of medical treatment ?- hop on a plane back to dear old Blighty.
Just an idea.

Quoted parts thanks to RoS’ comment at 4:37 pm

“THE former chief strategist of the Yes Scotland campaign has said “the political energy has switched” away from a second independence referendum.”

Bullshitting “chief strategist”? That’s why we ultimately lost, because our campaign was organised by inadequate clueless FUDs.

“Stephen Noon added that the party that “steps in” to the battleground of those who want to see a stronger Scottish Parliament will benefit in the long run.”

And there, if further proof was needed, he puts on display for all to see his FUD credentials. And as we on WOS are very well aware, there are a lot of FUDs (Federalists, Unionists & Devolutionists) within the rancid ranks of the current SNP. Including Big Chief Vow.

Dan
Ignored
says:
14 January, 2024 at 4:04 pm

@ Ruby

I’m working on another book where Mrs Harris takes up Euronymphing!
But due to the loss of her EU citizenship making jaunts to mainland Europe more awkward, instead of enduring the additional hassle of travelling to the European mainland to engage in servicing the needs of highly sexually charged females, it’s a more tranquil endeavor where she pulls out her pink and purple gammarus and casts it into the chilly river waters of Scotland to attract a Grayling.

Yippee! I can’t wait. It’s going to be a good one!

Please can we have more motor cycle gangs and lots of good old fashioned sex.
You can ditch the cleaning as far as I’m concerned. She could maybe find a better use for her feather duster & lavender scented polish.

What is Grayling doing in the water? Was he told to get in the sea but couldn’t tell the difference between the sea and a Scottish river? It would have been worse if he was looking for a loch. That’s a very difficult Scottish word for English Tory politician to pronounce. But sea and river shouldn’t have been a problem unless one of the locals said ‘It’s the sea you’re looking for laddie. Always happy to help a sassenach. See that wee burn over there that is the North Sea. Want me to help you jump?

What is a gammarus? Is that her pink and purple tickling stick aka her feather duster. Has she got anything else in her bag to satisfy the needs of the highly sexually charged ‘females’.

Where is Mrs Arris going to exactly. ‘Mrs Arris goes to The Broch’ would be good then we can all learn some new lingo. Maybe she could go all over the place accompanied by the bikers.
Vroom! Vroom! Hold on to your tickle stick Mrs Arris here we go.

Oh God I’m getting carried away stealing your massholescript. (Whit? Just trying to avoid being PMTed.)

I’ll be reading your book straight away I wont wait until the next coronation to read ‘Mrs Arris goes Euronymphing in The Broch.

I’m still working on ‘The Pub That Went Online’
The pub manager’s da will become is ma and everyone will be issued with special headphones and speakers with a big X button so that they can cut out any extraneous noise. All in preparation for the pub going online.

Some of the old bodachs + one new cailleach (pub managers new ma) need a fair bit of training with the X button but they are getting their slowly but surely.

‘Bless their hearts’ as they say in Texan English.

OK Dan I’ll let you get back to your Olivetti/Remington to get that Mrs Arris book finished.

Oh my God! He’s ragin’ mad!

I’ve seen some male hissy fits but the latest one is a cracker.

If you criticise or even dare to ask a question there is the risk of them going off on one and out comes a whole string of abuse.

The bit about the html is especially interesting.

It’s only blokes who can do html and on top of that everyone on here knows all about html.

I would seriously question if ‘Briandoonthetoon’ does.

But hey how cares! I ain’t interesting in winning any pissing contest.

I’m not relevant he says. Heard it all before.

Aye well I think all the women in Scotland are getting that message.

I am not alone.

No doubt all the wee bully boys will come out in support of this man baby.

Fuck them all I think I am great and so are most of the women in Scotland.

When is sturgeon going to be held accountable? Will it ever happen? Fed-up waiting for some justice.

@ RoS at 5.42 pm

Most SNP politicians seem to be a dim as fuck, so talking to a lamp post (even a “planet saving” low wattage LED bulb one) would most likely be a more illuminating experience on matters pertaining to climate change.

Maybe someone fae Dundee can ask a lamp post if it is a good idea to install ASHPs on very poorly insulated hooses, or a solar PV array on a north facing roof, concerned taxpayers are interested to see how their money is being spaffed away on all this greenwashing pish.

link to tinyurl.com

Mandy is great. You go girl.

Not too sure about the women she is writing about.

Misguided I think would be the term I would use either that or an out and out liar.

She is however ‘the minister leading the consultation on ending conversion practices’

And if, as the equalities minister further claims, gender identity means different things to different people, and even different things at different times for the same individual, I would fundamentally like to understand how she proposes to legislate around a feeling that can be forever in flux?

What happened with ‘Making misogyny a hate crime’ did that ever happen and did Helena Kennedy who was thrilled to spend so much time with Sturgeon every answer the question

‘What is a woman?’

It’s all crap isn’t it?

Here Craig Murray who spent the second night sleeping outside the gates of the Hague to get in to repot for us, gives us the low down on the second day’s hearing in the Hague.

“In the UK, the BBC and Sky both ran almost all the Israeli case live, having not run any of the South African case live. I believe something similar was true in the USA, Australia and Germany too.”

It turns out that Israel’s numero uno defender (KC) Malcolm Shaw is an ardent Zionist.

Jeremy Corbyn and Jean-Luc Melenchon were also in attendance with Craig Murray

Its worth a read.

link to craigmurray.org.uk

@Turabdin 7.07pm

Absent a viable alternative there is little prospect of the majority of Scots agreeing to neutrality à la Republic of Ireland post independence, particularly after both Finland and Sweden have so recently abandoned their long standing neutrality (which was always far more real than Ireland’s).

The vast majority of Scots are broadly Atlanticist pro European and pro-EU, however much the reality triggers those who oppose NATO, the EU and the current rules based international order. Nobody thinks the current set up is perfect, but none of the current alternatives are likely to be appreciably better.

Of course it’s always possible that folk could come up with an alternative plan to replace NATO, or even the UN. The thing is these kind of major changes only usually happen after some pretty major global crises. But if folk come up with something soon and convince the majority to support it we could be on to a winner.

Personally I’ve always thought a defensive security community of Nordic nations would be a good fit for an independent Scotland, but Uncle Vlad has probably put the kybosh on that.

I’ve about as much time for those pedalling the need for an alternative to the anglo-american supremacy, and saying “it’s not real independence if we don’t” line as I do for those arguing membership of the EU means you’re not really independent, or that there are non-parliamentary routes to independence because *Salvo/Treaty of Union/Claim of Right*

Andy Ellis @ 8.53.

Talking of pedalling, I remember what guff you used to post about a de facto referendum. You wouldn’t accept then that the SNP were not a party of independence, and I see you still support their position in relation to re-joining Europe, swopping one yoke for another, and getting worse every day the direction in which Europe is travelling.

You’re pedalling in the wrong direction again. Independence means freedom from foreign rule. The EU is no longer what it started out to be. It has become a monster which craves more and more power at the centre, telling countries what to do, ending unanimity by stopping vetoes.

The SNP is a sinking ship proposing to jump from one disastrous relationship to another. Scotland would never be free tied to the EU. Angus Robertson is pretending to be Moses leading the people to freedom,when he’s actually more concerned with getting a nice cosy well paid position for himself, following which he would re-locate and kiss goodbye to Scotland. You must have implicit trust in him. I don’t.

I thought you would have realised by now that the SNP are a useless fraud, led by complete idiots, and not to be trusted.

Seems not.

the meat of this is more back-loaded, the intro is dull; a useful crib sheet on “how to do things right” and not, city-style, pump it like fuck and pish it up a wall

link to youtube.com

– the basic point is you need a strong, national minded, government to stop short term market forces messing it all up (e.g. “the oil curse”), or just let foreigners rob you blind

Things evolve, things change. The European Coal and Steel Market, The Common Market, The European Economic Community or EEC, the European Community or EC, the European Union or EU.

That has been the way. And it has been successful else it would not have expanded as it did.

Done properly cooperation is good.And the EU, maybe not perfect, nothing is, has done good. Brexit excepted. But Brexit has been a disaster for a belligerent Britain.

But evil eyes watch the EU. They see the trading and cooperation block as a rival. More so when Russia some years back had intimated interest in becoming part of the EU.

That would most certainly been interesting. But the approach was rejected. An EU with Russia, it’s huge land mass, huge reserves would have made a bloc that literally eclipsed every other bloc.

In the tent rather than out, an enlarged EU I believe would have continued the no war policy that the EU to date has so successfully delivered.

But now things have changed. The US supported revolution in Ukraine, the US proxy war with Russia, the cutting off of Russian oil and severing of pipelines,and sanctions have changed all that and the EU weakened. And Britain weakened too.

Things change,but in effecting change.you need to truly decide who your friends are.

ANDY ELLIS
08:53
Unwise, by rattling other people’s sabres usually Made in America, to make yourself a target, the Nordic states are certainly that now.
America has dual standards, in their hemisphere do not dare set foot or else however they are free to go where they please. Small wonder Moscow gets irritated about activity in their neighborhood territories.
Scotland might aim in the misty future to be a truly neutral state by shedding itself of those conditioned habits. Security is very expensive and disturbs the mind.

@Andy Ellis 4:08

If Scotland becomes independent tomorrow, what’s your estimate for when we will have a viable deep water navy capable of defending our offshore energy infrastructure?

It will also need to contribute to the defence of the North Atlantic, and to The Mediterranean. As a working assumption, I expect us to be working with the EU, if not in the EU, and in NATO.

Assuming too that your answer is in decades, not years, what will we do while we wait? Hope the Russtis and Iranians are nice to us, or pay rUK to defend us?

And who will we pay to build the new, state-of-the-art ships and weapon systems we will need?

But I’m guessing the SNP will have worked all this through during their years in office, so just provide a link to their policy paper!

World News update !

In the last couple of weeks, NATO spokesperson, Mr John Main of Brigadoon has informed us that Ru55ia will invade Portugal, Poland, the Baltics, Central Europe and Scotland.
And that the Iranian navy also has designs on Caledonia..
Also Chy-na might invade Indonesia.

Don’t panic !

Can’t imagine Boris manufacturing such a grievance just to show London can make us kill puppy’s by decree, tbh

Maybe he could still make a great comeback by promissing to make them all honorary downing st dogs – and locking up all the haters that allowed it to get this far!

JOHN MAIN
10:32
The current global psychosis is the work of a few. They created the situation but would have all participate in clearing it up, at their command.
We have is dregs of colonialism and the exceptionalist anglo, quqsi religious, arrogance that is its main constituent. The smarter animal observes, waits and then moves on.
The Americans who see the planet in terms of a John Wayne movie, indeed see political reality in terms of the brutalizing myths of the Wild West may have the hardware but, as century 20 has shown do not possess either the diplomatic finesse or the «wit».
Like the British they cannot imagine a world where their gods are not fetishized and risk being brought down. The anglosphere might be termed the anglofear, so troubling are their dreams of loss of power.
An iScotland might laugh at this schoolboy nonsense.