A tale of four nations
Posted on
May 28, 2021 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Wings Over Scotland is a (mainly) Scottish political media digest and monitor, which also offers its own commentary. (More)
Hello… *waves*
Yay! Welcome back.
Are you back? Staying for good?pls!
Will it be sooner or later? I don’t have much ‘later’ left. Howwever, I was cheered by the headline in the National on 26th May:
Nicola Sturgeon to commit to indyref2 as show announces SNP government plans.
She is going to commit to indyref2? Future tense?
Makes sense when the plans are to stay in place as long as possible and not to let anyone rock her boat.
oh how good it was to see that email pop into the inbox today. There’s so many times in the past 2 weeks I’ve said to myself “where’s Stu’s take on this/that/the other (new pronouns?)
I totally got why you needed to take a step back, and with all the dark shadows hanging over bloggers who actually publish stuff NOT IN THE MSM….. well, it’s a scary time to be putting your fingers onto the keyboard. Reminiscent of the days of secret printers churning out papers to enlighten the people about the sleekit goings on when the Union was forced upon us…. nothing much has changed really… sadly. Those who will not see, simply will not see… But those of us who do see, and listen, and learn, will keep on sharing out the unsavoury things which otherwise would slip on by. Haste ye back Stu.
Best email I received this morning!
A very happy surprise
Yay you posted Rev
How much are you itching to write about Cummings .
Willy Windsor
And
And
The NEC still leaking like a sieve …
Bet you miss us too 🙂
thankstu
you were right as usual
nothing has changed
newSNP have parked indy again
och weel, back to the drink & drugs
@fillofficer
Tsk tsk! Such a lightweight.
Some of us never stopped…
Welcome back Stu, even if it is just a fleeting visit.
Even if it’s only now and then rev it’s a huge boost to see you back these on pages.
Always great to get that email.
PhilM
hah, thats my middle name
southern shandy sipper
What a lovely surprise in my inbox!
Thank you!
I have a wee question having listened to the Baroness about the bill for childcare – are we allowed to call a man a man or do we have to call them something more descriptive?? ( I have thought of a few but most of them are not repeatable)
Thanks for the nice start to the day, total buzz of excitement by your email note. Even if you just appear occasionally, at least we know you’re ‘ready’ and, ahem, waiting in the wings. Apart from that, by jings, you have a cushy lifestyle, dude..
Some interesting points in Claire Fox interview; yep, most everything she said is exactly what’s going on in Scotland – we’ve been sold a pup. Good old Covid.
Will watch Angus Brendan later.
Thanks again, Stu.
Not sure if you’re set on challenging Frank Sinatra’s record for comebacks, Rev, but one thing’s certain – we’ve never been in greater need of fighters for freedom of expression. In how it treats dissident bloggers, Scotland’s becoming like Belarus. Something I cover in my latest post, with a brief reference to yourself:
link to jaggy.blog
Claire Fox says of the Tories ‘The Tory Party will almost represent everything, but can’t hold it together at some point’ regarding Gender Politics.
Could easily replace Tories with SNP there.
Actually, that was the link for my post exposing the real agenda behind the SNP-Green co-operation agreement/Sturgeon survival plan.
Here’s the link to my post about on the Scottish blogosphere:
link to jaggy.blog
It’s a good pair of interviews. Given the ‘unpredictability of politics in general I’m quite prepared to accept a random appearance of Wings – but I would love an article or so every now and again – cos I miss the food for thought.
@Fi, 10.25
That’s just what I was thinking. Thanks for that comment.
All I am seeing at present is the surface. I miss Stuart’s insight on what’s going on underneath.
Mornin’ Rev.
Got my fix
hey there!
*waves…
How soon do you think that Nicola will run out of road to keep kicking the can down?
What an unexpected treat I’ll be saving for the weekend!
Stay well & like so many will be checking every day until you return!
That shows how a politics show should and could be done. Slick and no wasting of time with waffle. Whatever your thoughts on the former first minister there is no denying he is very good at his job.
So so so so so great to get the email,I’ve so missed you and your opinions on stuff………
Please stay,James Kelly talks pish
Good to have you back albeit maybe briefly.
I enjoy reading the posts on here. A lot I may disagree with but they do give food for thought nevertheless. Especially when you compare with the dross that is written on the BBC HYS forums, which funnily, the BBC never open one for any real controversial issues.
The Scots who have the ability to think for themselves need you Stu.
When will the penny finally drop?
When will our “thick as fuck” electorate who voted the sexual pervert Sturgeon into power, catch on that she conned every one of them?
Sturgeon will keep playing the Covid card, even if it takes us to until the end of this Parliament.
And if the Covid card runs out, she can always play the Economy card.
The Murrells have got us exactly where they want us, stuck in a long term Devolution contract with our English Masters.
Where we are affectionately known as a “Region of greater England”.
Nice to know you’re still there in background stu, you’ve insights have been sorely missed,
We now definitely have a very clear picture of NS and her cohorts,
But is there any rumblings of a push back from other SNPs,
?
Or are they all tarred with the same brush, mostly scared of losing their wage packets., and to scared to go against the boss and her hubby, who are running Scotland like imperial majesty’s and in a mafia style,, where it’s of with “YE OLD HEAD” should any one dissent.
How can we resurrect that enthusiasm for independence if when ever we start making plans , covid is used like a weapon to keep everyone away from each other?
Your site was like an Scottish umbilical cord during covid lockdowns for those whom needed reassurance we were all still here,
That you and you’re bloggers / we the commenters here we’re so deliberately attacked with ( vile abuse by trolls and infiltraters ) They should by rights have been rendered useless as hate crime against the Scottish people as a race of indigenous people. As there was no evidence they were behaving the same to other people in other countries.
What’s the use of the hate crime bill in Scotland if you can not turn it to your best advantage, didn’t R Spears fall foul on her own spear? No pun intended.
Great to see you back in action.
It’s totally your call mate, nobody deserves to go easier on themselves for a while than you, but selfishly, I hope you’re back in the ring again. You’re the Josh Taylor of bloggers.
If not Alex Salmond and ALBA, then who else is there to challenge Sturgeon?
She can fk about with Independence with the same contempt for urgency and constitutional illiteracy she’s shown all along, and that does seem to be the plan, so where does the real Independence Movement now invest itself?
What an absolute scunner to be standing on the very brink of Independence, when the Union has never been weaker, yet wedging herself between Scotland and freedom is an absolute fking charlatan, dug in like a tick, passing off Scotland’s hunger for Independence as a adoration for her miserable self and her “genius” handling of COVID.
Slippers Pishfarts latest….
link to t.co
A word of caution folks. Nothing has changed that I can see. Rev Stu said there’d be an occasional post or cartoon to stop the chat going stale… but I think you’re maybe premature to say the Rev’s got the gloves back on…
Kinda hope cartoons and the Alex Salmond show do become regular features, just to keep the gears oiled and visitors ticking over…
Well you have to wonder if the whole of Scotland were vaccinated against covid would NS still create lockdowns just when we decided to march for independence.
I bet she would, she would try ban people like priti Patel does and she follow Westminster’s guidance at all times,
How can the Scottish first minister ban the Scottish people from rising or push her into independence, well that’s one way.
Can I suggest the following to keep Stu busy and productive during his sabbatical:-
Produce a book for universal distribution covering the fate of Scottish owned businesses which have been taken over and disappeared south of the border since say the end of WW2.
I see it as being as much a collation exercise for Stu with details of businesses affected being submitted by Wings readers with as much info as possible re each business, no. of jobs lost and the assets ‘cashed’ in and removed south.
Stu’s job would be to verify facts, classify industries/businesses and expand on them where relevant.
The resultant book would be a real eye-opener when readers see just to what extent Scotland used to be self sufficient compared to the present day situation with convoys of lorries driving up the M74- not just the lost jobs and disappeared assets.
Breeks.
Well said and acknowledged.
Mairi says:
28 May, 2021 at 12:35 pm
Slippers Pishfarts latest….
Don’t rush people. Just a Sunday League amateur, giving us his bitter critique of Lionel Messi and telling him where he went wrong.
Great!
I’ll transfer the comments I made on an earlier thread.
FF to 7.44 to hear Clare Fox’s views on IndyRef2
Surprised how defenensive Tories & Labour are re IR2
Tories simply won’t afford a referendum they just wont give one.
Nicola Sturgeon made in clear in Holyrood election that you were not voting for a referendum
Ambivalent that the demand for a referendum was contained in that vote.
at 19.47
Angus Brendan MacNeil MP:
Tories at Westminster surprised by silence from North of the Border.
Excellent news WoS is back. Nice one!
BrianW says:
28 May, 2021 at 11:41 am
Claire Fox says of the Tories ‘The Tory Party will almost represent everything, but can’t hold it together at some point’ regarding Gender Politics.
Could easily replace Tories with SNP there.
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She made some very interesting comments.
I have a smile on my face – a really nice surprise to read your blog today – thankyou.
AS is the most astute politician in the UK today.
I’m shocked that Glasgow is still in level 5 while Clackmannanshire , which has a higher rate is allowed to stay in level 2.
Anybody think she might try and put Forth Valley into Level 3 around June 23/24th just in time to stop the AUOB Bannockburn March?
Breeks like the comparison of she/her to ‘a tick dug in’ – loathesome thought.
Rose, clinging to flotsam (and life) after the Titanic has sunk,
‘Come back! Come back!’
Even the English Baroness Claire Fox knows that Sturgeon the Betrayer has no intentions of holding an indyref.
Brexit and the awful trade deals that will destroy Scotland’s economy, and the damage they will do will allow Sturgeon the Betrayer, to say that we can’t leave the union until we see an economic recovery.
In reality there cannot be a recovery without independence, and the Betrayer knows that.
FF to 7.44 to hear Clare Fox’s views on IndyRef2
Nicola Sturgeon made it clear in Holyrood election that you were not voting for a referendum.
Alex Salmond:
She said they were not voting for a referendum immediately but after the pandemic was over.
Is there a big difference between what Clare Fox & Alex Salmond say?
What does a snowman with a voice say?
Republicofscotland says:
28 May, 2021 at 1:40 pm
Even the English Baroness Claire Fox knows that Sturgeon the Betrayer has no intentions of holding an indyref.
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Her argument was if you are so vague about a referendum you can’t claim the election result to be a mandate.
Which is fair enough.
Her most important point was
Tories simply won’t afford a referendum they just wont give one.
A post from Rev Stu! What a lift.
“Her argument was if you are so vague about a referendum you can’t claim the election result to be a mandate.
Which is fair enough.
Her most important point was
Tories simply won’t afford a referendum they just wont give one.”
Ruby.
In reality none of this matters, it doesn’t matter what an English Baroness thinks, nor does it matter that Johnson will never agree to issue a S30.
What matter is that Sturgeon the Betrayer will never name a date for an indyref let alone hold one. We don’t need England’s permission to level this awful union, we only need an FM that’s not a treacherous b*stard.
Claire Fox there started out in the Revolutionary Communist Party. Now she’s called Baroness, sits in parliament without having to be elected by anybody and sports a mightily expensive looking raincoat.
Aren’t politicians just marvellous?
@Republicofscotland 2:06pm
Agreed.
More evidence of the corrupt Scottish Government we now have
link to scotsman.com
That’s better Don,
Any wrongdoers should be brought to book.
Keep it up and resist the urge to have a go at Scotland and her inhabitants.
Don says: It has the fingerprints of John Swinney all over it. I can remember a time when something like this would force a resignation. Nowadays in Scotland it barely registers any interest, even on WoS.
Anyway, thanks for the reference. I would have missed it otherwise.
Don’s Scotsman link archived.
link to archive.is
Captain Yossarian,
I think you are delusional if you believe that the resistance to resign is particular to Scotland only.
How lovely to see a post!
I do hope you come back (but only when or if you feel ready). This week feels like the start of the end for Nicola – her erratic and paranoid behaviour is drawing comment, and though it doesn’t change much at the moment, the unravelling should be worth seeing. Despite the election result there’s an air of the final months of Margaret Thatcher about her and her bunker cabinet of crawlers.
That said it always gets worse before it gets better, lol.
Breastplate says: Holyrood has been in existance for 20-years or so. I remember the opening very well. “This is the Scottish Government…we will do things differently here…we don’t do cover-ups”
Didn’t take long for these sentiments to be swept aside did it?
As far as honesty goes – I think if they tried this at Westminster, the London Evening Standard would be all over them. There would be a resistance to resign, of course. But, there would undoubtedly be pressure to resign and what I am saying is there is none of that in Scotland.
Good to see this post, but i still need some proof of life!
Mugshot, with todays paper visible please.
😉
I hope Rev Campbell does get back in the fight someday folks, but give the guy a break. He deserves a really good long rest. He will chose the right moment to put the gloves on when/if he decides to do so. It’s good he has kept this site open for the time being – hopefully it will remain and that artist extrodinaire that occasionally downs his golf clubs and draws amazing cartoons will continue to “pitch” in now and again. 🙂
Great to see you back Rev Stu.
Like all of us we are sorely disappointed at the election result. But we are by no means out. I have striven for independence nearly all my adult life and was a member of the SNP for nearly forty years.
I have trod streets, canvassed, delivered leaflets, held branch offices, stood as a candidate and latterly saw the fruits of our success with the return of the Scottish Parliament, and then an SNP Government.
But oh how in the success have we fallen. A rotten party with rotten leadership and a lost way. So yes, I feel down about where we may be today. But you know what, those huge AOUB marches, the enthusiasm of the referendum campaign, the elation of the resumption in 1999 of the Scots Parliament, comfort me that we are still on our journey and that we will secure independence.
So will I give up. No, not a bit of it. And neither will many others too.
So good to see you back Rev Stu. Everyone needs a rest. But like Alex Salmond, I know the dream for you will never die.
So posting the weekly Alex and Tasmina show, or a Chris Cairns toon, or maybe something by guest posters may hopefully be the way whilst you recuperate.
So let me say this. It is your life. You have given the independence movement huge support. Over ten years in fact with Wings. You are owed a huge debt of gratitude. Wings, or should I say you, created a huge readership. It was hugely influential. So hopefully the blog will continue.
You don’t need to do it all yourself. But our movement needs blogs like Wings. Yes there are others but Wings set the trend. So look at other models. You founded this thing . A thing which I notice today has attracted over 1.054,000 comments, against 5,871 posts. Yes a debt of gratitude owed by many to you and hopefully your time out will facilitate a model that can let you continue but without the prior intensity that would have buckled a lesser man of the cloth.
Republicofscotland says:
In reality none of this matters, it doesn’t matter what an English Baroness thinks, nor does it matter that Johnson will never agree to issue a S30.
What matter is that Sturgeon the Betrayer will never name a date for an indyref let alone hold one. We don’t need England’s permission to level this awful union, we only need an FM that’s not a treacherous b*stard.
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How are you going to convince the Scottish electorate of She/Her’s treacherous b*stard status?
Do you think Rev Stu has wasted his time posting these ‘unimportant’ interviews
Captain Yossarian,
This has been a conversation with family and friends over the last few decades.
There has been less and less accountability and more and more self preservation.
Of course, many people can expect more from their politicians the reality is that they will, in the main, be disappointed.
If you wanted to convince the Scottish electorate of She/Her’s ‘treacherous b*stard status’ I would think pointing out that her vagueness on IndyRef2 has fed Unionist their argument vis a vis a mandate.
Then there is the issue of Boris saying NO.
The other important point in the interviews is that ‘Tories are surprised by the silence coming for Holyrood.
Unionists are in full campaign mode even having Gordon Brown meeting the Royals at Holyrood House.
The SNP are wittering on about Green Party boozing!
Rev come on come back we need you. Scotland needs you. Your readers need you. Politics needs you. Scottish politics needs you. Will it help if we say you were totally right about everything. We misses you….I need my helping of wos goddamit I’m having withdrawals
Treachery was SNP1 and SNP 2.
Sturgeon knew exactly that over a million second votes for the SNP would elect nil to a couple of SNP regional seats – and in point of fact 1,094, 600 votes yielded two SNP sests.
That million plus votes redirected to Alba would have created 31 regional seats which added to the 62 constituency SNP seats would have given an SNP/ Alba majority of 93 seats.
Treachery do I hear someone say. And we bought it.
Breastplate
Remember the Westminster expenses scandal? Wasn’t that long ago. A number of MP’s went to jail and it was all because of I-pads, TV’s, duck-ponds and all the rest of it. I remember one of them, Keith Vaz I think it was, was stiffed for ordering cushions for his chairs at home. £500/each they were.
All stood-up at Holyrood and said it would never ever happen here and we all believed it.
Now we’re attempting to frame political oponents and spending literally millions trying, unsuccessfully, to do it. The FM attends an Inquiry with £500 shoes on and denies everything. The Lord Advocate denies everything too: ‘My law officers are all scrupulously honest’.
Meg merrilees.
I am predicting lockdowns from NS in advance for areas that have intentions to march.
Hey you.
Two very interesting interviews. As an interviewer, Salmond has an easy knack of actually allowing his interviewees to speak & the ability to ask relevant follow-up questions – something of a professional disadvantage in the current media environment.
I’ve always found Claire Fox quite the paradox – she’s espoused views and positions I loathe instinctively, but I also know she’s no daft and, in her analysis, has an uncomfortable capacity to zero in on inconvenient truths. Quite simply, there is no incentive (or indeed, mandate) for the UK Tory Government to grant a Section 30 in this parliamentary term; unless it was to call Nicola Sturgeons’s bluff.
It’s telling from Angus Brendan MacNeil that Westminster Tories are somewhat nonplussed at the post-election radio silence from the Scottish Government, but, of course, it shouldn’t be to anyone who’s been watching.
Over a few depressing few days, it was bleakly amusing to watch the collective UK media trying to cover themselves after casting the Scottish election results as THE big story and that the SNP would immediately be ramping up demands for a second referendum. Only to end up pretty much where we were – with the SNP short of an overall majority (to some relief for the SNP) – in stasis & stalemate. The dog that didn’t bite. Cummings was dead right about media groupthink.
Till next time, whenever that may be. Enjoy the May(ish) weather.
You have no idea just how happy I was when I saw your email. Thank you.
@James Che –
I tweeted earlier, tongue-in-cheek, that Glasgow is being punished because it outed itself as a Yes city in 2014.
What was that other place that bucked the trend and voted ‘Yes’ overall?
Oh aye…Dundee, wasn’t it?
Just because Pantoufles Wishart, is still attacking his detractors and especially Alba, someone said he was becoming paranoid.
I think the just because he is paranoid does not mean we are not out to get him
Great set of interviews from Alex there.
Ive always enjoyed the show. I think the best thing about this one was the knowing smiles between Alex and Angus at the end. What are they up to??? Something exciting I hope.
Nicola be raging that Angus goes on Alex’s show. She’s pathetic. And she read out the names of 38 naughty snp folk who’ve been expunged from the party for their connections with Alba! You need to read this for the juicy details link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Do we understand why ALBA didn’t do as well as we hoping in the election?
Missing Referendum Fund
“There are attempts by opponents to stir this up…”
Hud oan a moment. So Indy supporters that donated to a supposedly ring-fenced Indy Campaign Fund that ask where the fuck their money went are classed as opponents…
link to twitter.com
A real pick me up to see you post this Stu. A tale of four nations is where it’s at and no further. Thanks for nothing Nikla.
What do you get if you cross George Orwell’s 1984, with William Shakespeare’s Lady MacBeth?
link to twitter.com
“All the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand.”
Manky Jaikit telling us how we can’t trust the media.
link to twitter.com
(Remember to unmute!)
Rev Stuart Campbell I heartily ENDORSE all the positive comments being put to you sir , and agree wholeheartedly with your reasoning for withdrawing from the fray albeit hopefully temporarily , that reasoning that we will all be marking time and rehashing all the old arguments while sturgeon basks in her unearned empty victory although that being the exact MO of PayPal Paul is not comparable or applicable to your forensic investigating skills
As is evidenced by the very many comments heralding and applauding your small post it SHOULD be apparent to you and anyone else who believes in independence and who frequents WOS that your absence is NOT ONLY giving breathing space and succour to the lying conniving scum it has cut down on the exposure (eg green msp’s breaching covid rules in pubs) being widely reported
WOS, YOUR CREATION is NOT only a site which supports Scotland’s independence , it is a beacon of truth and honesty , it is an alternative to the FAILED and failing 4th estate of MSM and broadcasters who are BETRAYING Scotland and Scots with their lies , it is a political educational forum which has enlightened and encouraged people to search for and expose the lies and corruption within politics , it is independent and outspoken , hated but NEVER wrong , it is a community of individual souls who don’t always agree with each other but have the REAL interests of our country and countrymen at our heart , and the UNFORTUNATE thing for you MR WINGS is that you are the HEART of that community , you are the tip of the spear for independence, without your intrepid quest for truth and your dedication our spear is severely blunted
What i’m trying to say is you’ve been missed , BTW all the writing up above is the truth
“How are you going to convince the Scottish electorate of She/Her’s treacherous b*stard status?
Do you think Rev Stu has wasted his time posting these ‘unimportant’ interviews”
Ruby.
Come the end of 2023, and then onto 2026, surely by then the penny will have dropped all but the most ardent acolyte of Sturgeon the Betrayer that they’ve been well and truly duped.
Brexit was our best opportunity of late to exit this rancid onesided union, the Betrayer however focused on trying to save England from itself, she sold us out in the process.
I’ll never vote SNP again, and by 2026 I hope that the Alba party fields candidates in the list and constituency, but we still have five wilderness years to go under the Betrayer.
BBC Newcastle radio presenter Lisa Shaw 44,has died of a blood clot shortly after receiving the Astra Zeneka ” vaccine” which everyone knows is a gene therapy experiment.
Hope you are enjoying the same weather in Bath as we’re enjoying in Edinburgh.
Yo, Rev! Hope you’re enjoying your ‘break’ 😉
Good to see ya, so to speak… 🙂
@Pixywine (5.51) –
As you will probably know, but others may not, this tragedy (Lisa Shaw death) was covered by today’s edition of UK Column. They cited Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, who warned of *precisely* this danger, in February.
But Jason Leitch, Nicola herself, and anyone else who is ever invited to appear on mainstream media, never ever tire of telling us how safe this stuff is. What they’re doing is fucking criminal.
link to youtube.com
Ian. I haven’t seen today’s UK column yet. Brian Gerrish has given an hours worth of evidence to the Lawyer Reiner Feulmich. Having capable people fighting for us gives me hope. Have a good day.
Ian brotherhood.
A pattern developing already.
Perhaps we should do what some native Indians used to do before they cut down a tree,
They believed quite reasonable so, that trees were alive and therefore, they would pretend when they were going to cut down a tree, having approached the area and walked up to a tree they would quickly turn around and cut down a different tree they had actually selected before hand with an element of surprise,
Sooo following that theory, we let the Snp think we are going to march in one area and quickly turn around and march some where else.:-)
So the cossetted royal parasites Willie and Katie, held secret meetings with Gordon Brown, Alistair Carmichael (a proven liar) and Sturgeon the Betrayer.
I have a feeling that we’re about to be further sold out by Sturgeon, Carmichael and Brown to barter the deal, the royals present to give consent from mummy aka auld Lizzie, and the dirty deed will be done.
@Pixywine (6.02) –
Thanks, and same to you.
Yes, the bravery of these people is quite remarkable. Sticking their necks out in the current climate is not only career suicide, it may well turn out to be physically harmful too. The stakes are so high, it’s no wonder many folk just cannot and will not grasp the scale of it. The friend who recommended the Bhakdi link remarked that he looks and sounds exhausted. No wonder. One of the foremost experts in the field, doing his best to warn us, and for his trouble he’s dismissed as ‘a conspiracy theorist’ by people who know next-to-nothing about anything even vaguely related to the actual science behind all of this.
On today’s UKC, the Cummings’ comments re Gates ‘and people like that’ are highlighted. Utterly jaw-dropping stuff.
The Glasgow Licensing Board (or whatever body fulfils that role nowadays) could set an example for everyone else – print out the evidence which rubbishes mask and ‘vaccine’ efficacy, physically hand it in to the City Chambers, the Scottish Parliament (and a personal copy for NS delivered to Bute House) then open up the pubs are dare the govt to take action.
The alternative is slow death by a thousand rules and guaranteed further lockdowns – what have they left to lose?
Pixywine says:
28 May, 2021 at 5:53 pm
Hope you are enjoying the same weather in Bath as we’re enjoying in Edinburgh.
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Weird comment is it supposed to be a joke?
Why would you think Stu would enjoy sh*t weather with a haar so thick that Arthur’s Seat has disappeared?
Thank fuck you are back Stu. Just, thank fuck!
Every day I clicka da link, hoping but really knowing you won’t be there Stu
And today you were
Thank you Lord, or whoever is up there
Please stay – she of the high heels and pronouns is getting even worse, her megalomania knows no bounds and I don’t think I can face the fight alone
Today was a good day to clicka da link
As I have been posting on here for months now – get the Queen of Scots involved in the Independence fight.
The UK Establishment and Westminster are not above getting the Queen of England involved in stopping INdependence. In fact, they revel in getting that lady and her family on their side.
So, Scotland should be getting the Queen of Scots telt: you are supposed to guarantee Scotland’s interests are being protected – you have not been doing this, so, get your finger out and start supporting Scotland’s interests.
Of course, I cannot see Sturgeon and her clique having the balls to do this, but, perhaps ALBA, with a Privy Councillor as leader, should go down this route.
So good to receive this e-Mail.
Been raging at Westminster news-
Boris ill advised to let someone else pay an unjustified fortune
to decorate a tax payers flat in Downing St?
He has broken the ministerial code in doing so, he lied in parliament
when saying that he paid for it but rules don’t apply to corrupt Tories.
Matt Hancock broke the ministerial code in not declaring his, and his families,
shares in a company he gave an NHS contract to.
The investigator, no doubt a Tory with a dodgy PPE contract declares he only
broke the code a wee bit, so it doesn’t count? FFS.
There will be a free celebration drink down his local tonight if his landlord is still
in there after he received an NHS PPE contract.
I think Westminster should now rename blatant political corruption It Doesn’t Count!
I wouldn’t want to see Stu posting here again until it’s guaranteed that he will not end up bankrupt or in jail.
Is there any reason why posters can’t continue the good fight without input from Stu?
link to archive.is
This is a very weird article be Brian Wilson in the Scotsman.
He states
“However, I do sympathise with the requirement to investigate every complaint about a tweet which has caused offence to someone. The line between offensiveness and potential criminality may be fine but most of us know it when we see it.”
I would bet Brian Wilson & most of us haven’t a clue what constitutes criminality & offensiveness.
Judging by the very little I’ve read about the HCB her comment is most definitely a crime.
The email notification of a new post was a joy. You’re both sorely missed and necessary in the battle we have against the “new SNP.”
” Pandemic Podcast” on YouTube is worth a look for freedom fighters. The episode “Whistle blowing on the” overrun” featuring former nurse Kirsty Miller who gives the game away on NHS Tayside is eye opening. Be quick because YouTube takes a lot of that stuff down. Anyone who thinks people should be censored no matter what their politics are is asking to live in the Soviet Union.
Ruby. What the hell are you talking about? The Sun was splitting the sky when I made my comment. Such an obvious Troll. Try to be more subtle. Pure Gaslighting.
Haar is one of those weird BBC Scotland terms that I’ve never heard a non weather lady say.
@Ian Brotherhood, 5.58
Have you seen this Reiner Fuellmich interview?link to odysee.com
I found it very informative about the Crimes against Humanity campaign
Hi Pixywine at 8:42 pm.
You typed,
“Haar is one of those weird BBC Scotland terms that I’ve never heard a non weather lady say.”
It is NOT a “weird BBC Scotland term”. It is an occurrence well known around the Tay Estuary. We, Dundonians, use it in our everyday speech.
haar |h??|
noun
a cold sea fog on the east coast of England or Scotland.
There are some cracking pics on social media of haar rolling up the Tay and engulfing the Tay Bridges, whilst the sky above is bright blue.
To the stasi SNP leadership, I have NO intention of rejoining the SNP!!
Stick your unionist party up your union jack!
It is, and now always will be….Alba for Me!!
@cirsium (8.48) –
Thanks for that link.
No, I haven’t seen it before, am watching it right now, approx 20 mins in.
😉
I would have thought everybody knows what haar is. At least if they are born and bred in Scotland.
Thanks for the post, Stu. I hope you are doing well, and your friend too whom you mentioned on your last (or was it last but one?) post.
Ruby
Oh yeah you would love Stu to disappear.
@Ruby
Move north sunshine and 19 degs + even got some vit D
I keep wondering what stats you’d have come up with by now, on stickering-convictions, custody suite occupancy in Glasgow, Stonewall diversity champion companies & their cancellations…
So many FOI requests that would make interesting reading.
And one day I’d love to see network/flow charts, showing connections between folk. For political arrests in Scotland. And for the whole stitch up. And for the GRA self-ID business.
Shareable visual graphics of these networks could be fascinating. Especially if the mysteriously non-targeted similar characters were also included as the double standards are incredible.
cynicalHighlander says:
28 May, 2021 at 10:39 pm
@Ruby
Move north sunshine and 19 degs + even got some vit D
Reply
I hope you enjoyed the sunshine and didn’t forget your factor 15.
No vitamin D from sunshine for me today I had soused herring for dinner and also popped a pill so I should be OK.
I bloody love soused herring!
I also love salt herring, herring fried in oatmeal, herring with baked potato & even herring with chips.
How far north are you? Is there plenty herring to be had in your part of the the country?
Eighteen wheeler Scammels
Dominica camels
All other mammals
And equal votes…
Build your economy on oil and go into partnership with the Greens. Can anyone see what is wrong with this picture?
wull @ 9:40 pm
“I would have thought everybody knows what haar is”
Naebody haes tae ken ony o oor Scots langage tae bi a heid bummer in Scotlan. Thon’s hoo we hiv an Anglophone elite hegemony wha aye maks oor ain Scots langage duffie (i.e. inferior), an oor fowk an aw.
Aye, haar is a guid Scots wird an aw.
Whaur’s oor Scots Langage Act, Nicola? Oor human richt tae lairn oor ain braw Scots langage! An oor ain langage whit gies us oor verra naitional identity, an oor naitional consciousness, withoot thon we widnae seek independence.
Welcome back Rev,however brief a stay but hopefully Don has finally disappeared up his own ring piece.Jeeezo he wiz hard goin.
I’d heard of the haar before I worked in Aberdoom and thought it was just a wee bit of mist.
Fuck me, it is John Carpenter’s “The FOG”. I remember working in Dyce, in August, temperature about 25C (honest).
Lived in King Street i.e. close to the beach. Drove home, temperature dropped by more than 10C. Sun disappeared, could literally see the haar sitting maybe 4 metres above the ground as I drove into it.
The haar is definitely real, and properly Scottish. It’s like a depressing version of the Aurora. But still weirdly impressive!
Briandoonthetoon. About haar, I wasn’t aware of that. Thanks for informing me.
For those who value the right to street protest be very afraid of the new Police Powers Bill going through Westminster. We have trials ahead of us.
Haar. Now I realise. As a boy cadet I remember the fog on the ground in the morning in Barry Budden that salubrious little holiday camp by the river.
I cancelled my SNP membership at my bank last thursday, no more 5 quid a year from me lol
However on the brightside/rightside I had joined Alba, quite happy to give them my 1 quid a month for membership. and If I was a younger man, with what I have seen lately, namely my intelligence being insulted by the SNP and greens, I would stand for Alba at my local council level in any form whatsoever and work to get rid of these imposters that have ruined the SNP for the forseeable future.
The true independence party called Alba will go from strength to strength and in my humble opinion will become the dominant force in a scottish independent country with the re/emergence of a true scottish Labour and conservative party structure away from their former bosses at westminster, as for the SNP, I predict oblivion for them in an independent scotland, and if that happens as I think it will, it will be a sad day for us all, as we built that party up, and sturgeon the imposter and her career criminals have turned into a joke and a woke party, the real scots have long memories and we are just biding our time for now
Alba for ever
Alba for me will become the Labour Party in Scotland and I truly believe that will become a reality in time
Alba will not be named anything else but Alba, but what I meant to say, was that they will be an honest version of what the scottish branch of the labour party should have been.
A people’s party with its own constitution that prevents any crooks and criminals ever gaining control in scotland again
@ David Caledonia: agree that Alba can be the independence party we need, fully democratic and focussed on independence to get us a fair society.
One way to keep Alba under membership control is to put the parliamentary group at a distance from party positions – the MSP/MPs have a specific, and very different, role outwith the party so should not be able to take over and decide party policy as they currently do.
“as they currently do” – in the SNP, I meant.
Hi Pixywine.
From today’s Courier re: haar.
link to thecourier.co.uk
David Caledonia says:
29 May, 2021 at 5:22 am
Alba for me will become the Labour Party in Scotland and I truly believe that will become a reality in time
I kinda get your drift, but I have no desire to see any vestige of UK politics blighting a new Independent Scotland’s system of government.
You look at UK government with Labour, Tory, Lib Dem etc, it’s Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum polarised garbage. You don’t empower the people by giving them two shit options and rejoicing when they elect the slightly less shitty government. That isn’t choice.
At least in a Scottish context, there’s the SNP providing the population with an opt out, (ok- at least in theory), but then you must consider how the notion of a political party like the SNP has allowed charlatans and carpetbaggers to wear the Party badge and carve out a career for themselves when they don’t actually give a flying fk what the Party stands for. It’s the nature of political parties which allows that to happen.
Political Parties dumb down the political discourse to the extent that some people will vote based upon nothing more than a choice of colour between red or blue. And who can blame them, or criticise them, because fundamentally, both Labour and Tory are just two cheeks of the same arse, and the crooks and spivs will still get away with their “crooking” and “spivving” no matter who is in power.
I’m not sure what the answer is. There is something inherently weak about a system of government which needs to dumb down and simplify complex issues into binary options so the public can make an emphatic decision. They make a decision on a 5% issue, and get 95% of the shit they didn’t want by inadvertent default. Just look at SNP voters, seduced by the 5% Independence shtick, which will give them the 95% shit in the small print, which will give them Hate Crime Legislation and a Transgender dystopia they didn’t know they were voting for.
There is something weaker still when articulating the respective narratives and setting the political agenda is left to corrupt, rotten, and largely dysfunctional media which fashions itself as the detached and disinterested neutral arbiter, when that couldn’t be further from the truth.
Not withstanding the plundering of Scotland’s resources and exploitation of our people, the Treaty of Union has poisoned and disturbed Scotland’s whole political evolution, by insisting that Scots are fed on a diet of UK politics. There is no more graphic evidence of that than ALBA being airbrushed out of existence despite the dynamic options it might have facilitated.
As Angus MacNeil just reminded us, never mind ALBA, that recent Holyrood Election could have been a plebiscite election which the pro-Independence Parties won. Yet neither that option nor ALBA’s supermajority were discussed on the mainstream media made available to the electorate.
And afterwards? The focus is either the resurgence or ongoing turmoil of the British Parties. Never mind Scotland, did the Tory vote hold up or is the Labour Leader’s job safe? Who gives a fk?
The last thing the UK media wants to broadcast is progressive, dynamic shifts in the tectonic plates of Scottish politics. All they want to broadcast is Scottish Independence succumbing to the dominance of the “main” or “sensible” British Parties, hopefully with optimal derision and humiliation of pro-Independence ideals or narrative. That’s their agenda. That’s why the Establishment won’t tolerate the competition of a Scottish Broadcasting service… it would destroy their monopoly.
Can you imagine how utterly different Scotland’s political agenda will be without the distraction of the presumed ascendency of the “British” view violently distorting our Government, politics, political news, and constructive debate?
Do you think the Norwegian Media couches Norway’s political debate in terms of what Sweden says?
Do you think the former communist states of Eastern Europe still have the Communist point of view promoted in their political discourse and have communist party members automatically included in debating panels?
Why then would Scotland carry forth the concepts of “British” Labour or Tory, and snuggle up with the “nostalgia” of the BBC? These are the toxins that our foreign to our body and don’t belong here.
They have land-sea temperature variation «haar» in San Francisco. It is called sea fog.
!d
Born and bred in Aberdeen I was given to understand that the word ‘Haar’ came from the Vikings – along with many other words adopted by Scots.
Hi Rev Stu, great to see you back! God you’re missed! Hope you’ll keep the light well and truly on!
Ruby @8pm
Reading from the manual we have: ..Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thought crime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it..
Accordingly, when (ahem) authority defines the published expression “we hate UK” as expressing hatred to neither subject nor object (because context presumably), it renders the hate label within the context of hate crime legislation obsolete and suggests the future may yet owe a huge debt of gratitude to the delightful Ms Spears.
Dictionaries of the Scots Language:: SND :: Haar
link to dsl.ac.uk
link to sciencealert.com
For information
link to ema.europa.eu
@Hamerdoon
Breakdown of numbers and ages at death within 28 days of a vaccine please.
Nicola (He/him/her/dodgy/bastard/stalin/polpot/KoKo) has read out a list of enemies of the state.
Can you see what it is – now ?
Good programme but says nothing new.
29 May 2021 – Update
Summary of Sturgeon’s achievements to progress independence in 6.5 years:
1. 2 years’ supermajority in Westminster of 95% of Scotland’s allocated seats in the UK union parliament totally wasted. Instead of using such historical majority to progress Scotland’s independence, she used it to legitimise the forcing of constitutional abuse of brexit over Scotland, the dismissal of Scotland’s democratic rights, the undermining of Scotland’s popular sovereignty and denying Scotland’ its legitimate right to self determination.
2. 2 years’ majority of 59% of SNP MPs in Westminster wasted. Instead of using that majority to progress Scotland’s independence, she used it to legitimise the breach of the Treaty of Union by allowing a special deal for NI against the economic interests of Scotland, used it to legitimise the power grab in the name of brexit exercised by England MPs over Scotland, used it to legitimise the unlawful rewriting of UK law in order to trash the devolution settlement and declare illegal retrospectively a perfectly legitimate bill, used it to help England force a crap deal brexit over Scotland by England and used it to help England’s ruling elite to continue forcing over Scotland, against international law, England’s ruling classes’ particular interpretation of an international treaty of union, to the detriment of Scotland and with the purpose of England’s ruling class to continue to use and exploit Scotland as a colony for the exclusive benefit of themselves.
3. Deliberate leaving of a perfectly sound 5 year mandate for indyref to expire by continuously and relentlessly kicking the can of indyref down the road, finding or making up obstacles for it as she went along. Examples of this are the infamous fabricated requirement for an S30 when the UK is a union and not a unified country, when if accepted the UK union is a colonial construct where only England rules, in line with the UN charter Sturgeon’s government should have pushed to deliver our right to self determination instead of going against that charter by handing over to England free vetoes to Stop Scotland’s right to self determination, and the use of a pandemic that could have been brought under control if Sturgeon had found the backbone and the will to lock the borders instead of deliberately keeping them open to allow continuously new virus variants to get into Scotland so she could have an excuse to keep us locked down for a whole year.
4. 532 days of another supermajority of 80% in Scotland’s seats in Westminster wasted. Instead of using those MPs over those 532 days to progress Scotland’s independence and to end the union on time to avoid Scotland having to face a brexit it never asked for, never voted for, never gave consent for , Sturgeon has used those MPs for those 532 days to pull the brakes on indyref, legitimise the forcing of brexit over Scotland against Scotland’s will and interests, and to force over Scotland a “internal market bill” designed so England can keep Scotland as a consumer, take over its own markets so it can flood them with England’s produce and foreign produce of low quality results of England’s ruling elite dodgy trade deals, and push Scotland’s farmers and producers out of business. In addition, she has used that time to continue denying Scotland its right to self determination by pretending to demand the lifting of a veto that she, herself, put on the hands of England’s government so they could use it to give her an excuse for not progressing indyref or Scotland’s independence.
5. Five years of a pro indy parliament wasted where instead of delivering the mandate her party was elected on, she endeavoured to do the exact opposite, ultimately, by allowing under her stewardship of the SGov what looks like a political conspiracy to push her predecesor, far more committed that she will ever be to Scotland’s independence, out of front line politics and by unleashing the lord advocate and COPFS to set fear among yes supporters with what seem questionable prosecutions and attempts to derail Keating’s case in the courts so the veto that she handed over to England’s ruling class could remain meaningful to stop Scotland’s democratic and international law rights. In addition, she used her position of power to lead yes voters to waste their list votes to avoid a supermajority of pro indy MSPs, so as to allow unionists to get in Holyrood by the back door and to avoid Alba pressing her to move her procrastinating arse into gear and progress Scotland’s autonomy.
5. 23 days of a new pro-indy parliament wasted. So far we only have more of the same she has given us for the previous 6.5 years: more empty words, more political posturing, more procrastination, more kicking indyref down the road, more deflection, more excuses, more tory blaming for what she is to blame for because after having all the majorities and time she has had it is unthinkable that she has allowed Scotland to be seen in its present position, and no intention whatsoever, even after 6.5 years of being in government and having commanded every possible majority she could have got, to progress Scotland’s autonomy, independence or demanding the exercise of Scotland’s right to self determination in line with international law.
Summary of Sturgeon’s contribution to Scotland’s independence:
Sturgeon has been in power for 2383 days. Over that time, she has commanded
1 majority of SNP in Holyrood for 533 days (inherited from Mr Salmond)
1 absolute majority of 95% SNPs in Westminster for 805 days
1 majority of 56% SNP MPs in Westminster for 916 days
1 absolute majority of 85% SNP MPs in Westminster for 532 days
1 pro indy majority in Holyrood for 5 years
1 pro indy majority in Holyrood for 18 days
And yet, she has achieved NOTHING for Scotland’s independence.
Either this woman is the most wasteful politician in UK’s history, the most incompetent and unable FM Scotland has ever seen, the one that has the biggest contempt for the people of Scotland’s rights and wants, a person that has no sense whatsoever of time and resource management and therefore totally inadequate for the position she is holding, the most wasteful leader the world has ever seen, or this woman is taking us all for a ride and using her time to keep the pro indy movement on a leash on behalf of Westminster.
I leave you to choose what fits best the evidence you have in front of your eyes. But we cannot escape the fact that this lady was given by the people of Scotland everything she could possibly need to progress independence and instead of using it to deliver independence, she has used her time, our majorities and our mandates to deny us independence and to continue putting England’s ruling elite’s interests and those of foreign powers before those of the people of Scotland.
Current figures:
working capital handed over by Scotland to Sturgeon:
2383 days in power
3 Westminter majorities
1 SNP majority in Holyrood
2 pro indy majorities in Holyrood
countless mandates for indyref
more than enough constitutional reasons and breaches of the treaty of union and Scotland’s claim of right to end the union outright 20 times over.
profits Sturgeon has delivered for independence:
ZERO
Anybody in business with such appalling record of achievement and such catalogue of time and resources wasting would have been shown the door a very long time ago and probably sued for losses due to gross misconduct and negligence.
Either this person does not know how to drive the indy car or is deliberately taking the tyres out of it so she can’t remain in the driving seat without risking having to actually drive it. So why do the SNP MPs and MSPS insist in keeping this clearly inadequate for the task individual in the driving seat of our indy car?
ALBA is more needed today than it was before the Holyrood election.
Breeks,
The interesting part of the interview with Claire Fox is that she said the Conservative Party had become very catholic with a broad spectrum in it’s base from the very Woke to the traditional, far right. She also mentioned that with the transformation of Labour to a party of the metropolitan elites (wittering on about identity issues over their goat cheese canapés, ed.) that the Conservatives were likely to split in some way to reflect the broad movement to the right. So it seems that tectonic shifts are underway across all sectors of UK politics and it’s unlikely the mainstream media will be able to hide it much longer. With the SNP firmly in the pockets of the metropolitan elites we can only expect them to pull further away from bread and butter politics as they become more a philosophical movement than a political one.
So where can Alba fit in to this? Well, if they have any sense they won’t fit into it at all. There seems to be an opportunity to dig ourselves out of the Woke / Trump cesspit we’ve imported from the USA, the internet and the gushing fans in mainstream media and start building a society that put strong firewalls between branches of government, starts devolving decision making to local communities (fuck you Highland Regional Council), roots out corruption and regulatory capture by big business and dismantles the Government, NGO industrial complex. In short a party which can govern for the many not for the few. The past few years have given plenty of material to work with.
The ideological rivalries of the past no longer apply. With improved communication, global trade etc. a country can no longer afford to be inward looking. Instead the government should be representing the interests of all it’s citizens and ensure that the playing field is as level as possible so everybody has the best chance of making a go of their lives.
Hammerdoon. There’s no mention of the ” vaccine” being a gene therapy experiment in your linked articles. There’s no mention of the Fascist fusion of pharmaceutical companies and Governments. There’s no mention of the damage and deaths being caused by the “vaccine”. Where are you getting your information? That’s right the BBC sling your hook Government shill.
Haar slowly rolling away from Edinburgh possibly heading for Dundee perhaps even further North to the land of ‘cynicalHighlander’
Not sure what’s happening in the ‘Cloud Cuckoo’ area of Edinburgh. That’s the part where people have never heard of haar.
” her procrastinating arse ” hahaha
Good to see you back Mia .
Hammerdoon: posts links to medical agencies about how vaccines work
Pixywine: spouts unproven conspiracy garbage and accuses Hammerdoon of getting his info from the BBC.
Hey Pixywine, have you phoned the University of Glasgow yet about the virus isolate you repeatedly claim doesn’t exist? I can post the number for you again.
link to archive.is
link to archive.is
Haar content… Weather Forecast in Doric (1 min)
link to youtube.com
An update on the school that’s sinking:
The way whistle-blowing works is that anyone can report a concern and it should be investigated more or less straight away. A taxi-driver may see something and report it; someone standing at a bus-stop might do the same thing. It works because whistle-blowers are often right and, when they are right, it can save a lot of money and it can save lives too. In the USA, it started in response to Watergate and in this country it started in response to Piper Alpha.
What happens in Scotland when forty experts say that a school is unsafe and it is reported to the Scottish Government? You would expect that to be properly investigated, wouldn’t you? Well, no, it doesn’t get investigated. What about the whistle-blower; surely they are protected in Scotland? Well, no – that doesn’t work here either.
The way it stands at the moment is that 4No senior civil-servants are being held responsible for this foul-up. All have told our Holyrood parliamentarians that this building is safe and it is not safe. They have presented false information intended to mislead and that is about as serious as it gets really. The 4No civil-servants have been asked to explain to all of the parties involved how these forty engineers have somehow managed to get it all wrong and we should wish them well with that. What about the Ministers involved, because these 4No civil-servants are answerable to them, aren’t they? They have been given safe berths out of the Ministerial firing line until this blows-over.
The Institution of Civil Engineers are looking at this. They have only been involved for the past 6-weeks but they are on the ball and, above all, they are honest. A couple of Scottish experts have given their opinions to the Scottish Government but no-one knows what has been said. Hence, the Teaching Unions have been asked to get involved, as has the Sectretary of State for Scotland. This is all in the past few days and so we will see what happens next week.
In the meantime, the wondrously inept Scottish Government are still farting around with their vapid lawyers trying to blame everyone else. They’ve got a QC on the case now. We’ll be hearing from a Professor of Law next. That’s a serious possibility by the way and I say that because they’ve done it before.
Mia @ 10.34
Sturgeon “has achieved NOTHING for Scotland’s independence.”
Can’t argue with that conclusion.
‘Babble’ seemed an apt description by Cummings.
Dan , that wiz awfa good.
I’ve just watched that, Dan. Well done.
I’m definitely standing alongside Pixywine when it comes to the calling out of Covid 19 as a hoax.
Scottish hospital deaths for the year
2016 = 28,422
2017 = 28,621
2018 = 28,604
2019 = 27,860
2020 = 27,967
What pandemic?
This is one of the greatest crimes ever committed.
To anyone who is interested. There is a massive anti lockdown freedom rally going on in London right now.
Mia, 100% correct again! Sturgeon, I believe, is working against Independence!
Imagine the chaos that would ensue in Westminster and Hansard if every UK MP spoke in their broad tongued regional dialect.
Yorkshire MP -“Ee bah gum, the Prime Minister’s made a reet ol’ mess o’ that.”
London MP – “I concur with my learned northern twat, I couldn’t Adam n Eve it, I nearly choked on my jellied eels.”
Glasgow MP – “Awa a dinnae talk pish ya pair o’ fannies, Yorkshire isnnae North, it’s located in the middle of the UK”
Nottingham MP – “Oi! Haggismuncher, did you just mis-attribute Yorkshire as being in the Midlands.”
It kicks off…
TBH if that were to happen I reckon more folk would engage in politics if it emulated the Sri Lankan parliament.
(1.5 min)
link to youtube.com
lothianlad says:
29 May, 2021 at 1:49 pm
Mia, 100% correct again! Sturgeon, I believe, is working against Independence!
If the Holyrood Election had been a plebiscite election on Independence, we’d have won.
All things considered, what other conclusion can be drawn?
Breeks,
I don’t believe Sturgeon would have had the guts to make 2019 a plebiscite on Independence!
I have my own thoughts as to why Sturgeon is acting against Independence, The biritish state has lots of dirt on her!
She drank from the poisoned chalice, taking the high life but she fears what will be exposed.. They can really damage her, but as long as she does Westminsters bidding, she can have the cars, the status, the pretend power and all that. Unfortunately for her, when she does step out of the limelight, the true light will shine on what she has done! that’s why she feels she has to stay in power,
The british state will serve her up when it suits them best. For now though, what better weapon do they have than to have the leader of the SNP and her so-called husband totally under their control?!
More like working to keep herself on that very fat salary cos otherwise it’s 8.41 an hour instead of three thou a week.
Just like somebody with a cushy wee job spinning it out as long as they can.
@JimuckMack (1.19) –
Very interesting.
Can I ask where you sourced those figures?
@ Ian Brotherhood
Those stats look to be from here.
link to gov.scot
‘What pandemic?
This is one of the greatest crimes ever committed.’
That’s why I think that what is happening with this China China narrative is that its a distraction.
Whatever China did or didn’t do they weren’t the ones fattening the ‘infection’ numbers with PCR ‘tests’ and the obviously fraudulent ‘within 28 days after a test’ death stats. Neither did they work to suppress information on natural immunity boosters such as vitamin D, nor did they try to hide from us the chorus of doctors worldwide who were trying to tell us about how older medicines are being used effectively. They didn’t put sick patients in care homes either. Nor did they push malpractice in hospitals. Its not the Chinese trying to get us to take experimental medical technologies by misinformation, peer pressure and perhaps actual hard coercion
We have a colossal multi-state apparatus of criminal oligarchs, corporations, media, politicians, civil servants, hospital management and doctors, police and many others who we need a proper reckoning with. If you ’77’ twats are reading then that includes you.
The bright side is most of the other stuff that we are being poisoned with in our society comes from the same source.
Lets kill that multi-headed fucking snake.
Nurse, police, doctor, civil servant I don’t care – if you have been involved with this crime and don’t speak out soon you are a fucking enemy of humanity.
Lastly if you happen to read this and think its a bit OTT then please give me directions how I can get to whatever blissfully ignorant little corner of the galaxy you happen to reside in because it isn’t Earth.
Stuart MacKay says:
29 May, 2021 at 10:57 am
…..she said the Conservative Party had become very catholic with a broad spectrum in it’s base from the very Woke to the traditional, far right.
Must confess, the moment I heard that, the tin foil hat came out the cupboard, and the word “lobbyist” jumped into my head… that purchasing of influence which never seems so far away whenever Transactivism seems artificially high on the agenda… and rightly or wrongly, I always seem to associate lobbying with the greed of Tories.
Suddenly I’m wondering who’s lobbying who, when you’ve hardcore, cold blooded, filthy richTories turning into fluffy Wokists, a skint SNP all but taken over by Wokists, and with the skint SNP suddenly losing it’s enthusiasm for Independence, which surprise, surprise, suits the agenda of the cold blooded, filthy richTories perfectly.
Call me paranoid, but who are these lobbyists? Who are these Transactivists? Who are the influencers and who are the ones being influenced? Is there any way of finding out before Scotland is sold down the river even more than it has been?
@Dan (3.13) –
Thanks.
One would have thought that such data would have been of passing interest to real ‘journalists’…
Ach well, so it goes!
😉
@Captain Yossa…
Any chance you’d name said sinking school?
Google no help, unless I’m looking in the wrong place.
@ Ian Brotherhood
In the middle of a deadly global pandemic, I presume a search of Companies House records would show an increase in economic activity for death industry related businesses.
Has anyone noticed if their local funeral directors and coffin manufacturers are now rocking about in high end designer suits and driving Ferraris and Porsches.
#TapsAff #Scorchio here so keeping hydrated oan the Guinness. 🙂
Dan @ 12.34
Aye min aat wis a sum eece , cheers
@robertknight – link to scotsman.com
Capt Yossa’s Scotsman link archived.
link to archive.is
#UKTopGun = #ScotsTopBantz (scroll up for initial tweet)
link to twitter.com
So the medical Apartheid I warned about over a year ago has now come to pass with Government in London giving the go ahead for health passports. That means the non “vaccinated” will not be allowed to buy from shops go to pubs or restaurants or go on holiday. All that for a flu with a 98% survival rate?
The reason the Governments want us all pricked is in order to set up a control grid with vaccination the piss poor premise. Stop being distracted by village politics. Alec Salmond is buying covid “pandemics”. I wonder if he sees the big picture?
The contracts for the health passports have been signed. We’re a dictatorship. FUCKING WAKE UP.
Belaargh. They are NOT vaccines. They are Gene therapy experiments and you know it bitch
Thanks for the link(s) chaps.
Ruby. Don’t you have Independence or some such to win?
Belaargh. Governments are currently engaged in a massive swindle on their populations. I don’t think its wise to take the word of Fascists. Do you?
Haar haar haar. Can’t do Howling smiley faces
robertknight says: at 5:23 pm
“Thanks for the link(s) chaps.”
#HateCrimeKlaxon #KerbYourBigotry
Report to your nearest PoPo station to be charged with misgendering.
I may look like an unshaven bloke knocking back pints of Guinness, but with my Rainbow avatar the clues are there that I am currently a lady. 😉
@Pixywine 29 May, 2021 at 5:18 pm
” They are NOT vaccines. They are Gene therapy experiments and you know it bitch”
🙂 🙂
“The vaccines approved for use in the UK have met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).
Any COVID-19 vaccine that is approved must go through all the clinical trials and safety checks all other licensed medicines go through. The MHRA follows international standards of safety.”
link to nhs.uk
@Dan 29 May, 2021 at 4:34 pm
“In the middle of a deadly global pandemic, I presume a search of Companies House records would show an increase in economic activity for death industry related businesses.
Has anyone noticed if their local funeral directors and coffin manufacturers are now rocking about in high end designer suits and driving Ferraris and Porsches.””
Ian Blackford SNP MP and Ex London Banker Multi Millionaire says the Pandemic is bad for his Funeral Business because people are only paying for basic funerals when only a limited number of people can attend and not paying for higher end funerals with all the extra Frills which produce more profits.
link to pressreader.com
Stuart McTavish – You might find what you are looking for here – 58 deaths recorded for clotting – unsure if that relates to vaccine only – link to gov.uk
Re gene therapy – if relevant individuals knew what that actually meant, then maybe the ill-informed nonsense might dry up somewhat.
An mRNA strand encoding a part of a viral protein or proteins is simply following a normal biological process. It simply does what normal mRNA does to generate a protein except in this case the protein triggers a immunological response – that is what vaccines do. The other vaccines already contain the proteins that trigger the response.
If a politics forum like this is to be taken seriously, then the information on it has to be credible. The alternative is that people will simply call it out for what it is. I’m thinking that might be the intention of some who literally don’t know what they are talking about.
This is not to say that the vaccine development process should not be scrutinised – it most definitely should. But credible scrutiny of complex biological processes requires a certain level of knowledge. The development process was quick – ask why and what makes it safe – that would be my take on it.
@JimuckMac 29 May, 2021 at 1:19 pm
“I’m definitely standing alongside Pixywine when it comes to the calling out of Covid 19 as a hoax.
Scottish hospital deaths for the year
2016 = 28,422
2017 = 28,621
2018 = 28,604
2019 = 27,860
2020 = 27,967
What pandemic?
This is one of the greatest crimes ever committed.”
Simple minds are easily satisfied. 🙂
What about the numbers of Deaths in Care Homes plus the numbers of people who passed away at Home waiting for an Ambulance to arrive ? Hospital Deaths are only one small part of the equation but some of you are clearly too dumb to understand that.
link to bbc.co.uk
link to bbc.co.uk
link to web.archive.org
Overall UK death figures from 1990 to 2020.
The figure for this last year is up on previous by around 80k.
link to ons.gov.uk
JimuckMac
I would suggest, the fact hospital deaths are down from some years ago perhaps indicates how well NHS Scotland works and how disgracefully wrong and slanted is all the anti-NHS Scotland propaganda from the Unionist media.
Don. You can wipe your arse with MHRA stats. Your Government does not have an argument in support of their draconian rules.
Don. Are those deaths in care homes as a result of your Government lockdown. You twist and turn and switch from one lie to the next. You’re a tipple.
Feullmuchs argument is that Drosten has rebranded the flu and called it covid 19. link to m.youtube.com
The fact that no one other than the imposter Drosten has isolated the “virus” is very suspicious. You Government Agents on this sit Don Belaargh Ruby have your work cut out.
link to twitter.com
Remember what I was saying about Willie MacRae’s Scottish UN Committee taking Scotland’s lack of representation to the International community and UN, and setting the ball rolling for the setting up of the Holyrood Parliament?
Well, it’s maybe not exactly the same thing, but getting the International Community up to speed on Scotland’s predicament is a very good start…
link to news.stv.tv
Good god. Well that’s Douglas chapman the snp treasurer just resigned with immediate effect. Looks like he was faced with a lack of transparency too.
Doug was popular as well. Who’s going next? Peter?
@ Terry “who’s going next? Peter?”
Hahahahahahaha. Kirsten Oswald says Douglas is wrong – that he is given detailed financial information every month.
Who to believe? Douglas or Kirsten?
What I have wanted to know for a long time is who employs SNP employees? Who has signed off their contracts and salary reviews?
And by the way I am the commenter btl formerly known as “sarah”. I don’t know why my name has changed. It has blown my cunning disguise… 🙂
@Terry says:
29 May, 2021 at 8:43 pm
“Good god. Well that’s Douglas chapman the snp treasurer just resigned with immediate effect. Looks like he was faced with a lack of transparency too.”
Any bets on who is next to go?
Quite extraordinary-and exactly as foretold by the learned Editor- financial shambles in a relatively tiny party- or more accurately an accessible trough for your elect such that no-one with a modicum of integrity will touch the books with a bargepole
Corruption and financial incompetence are ‘woven through’ ‘Indy’
I would guess, from what Rev Stu and Iain Lawson have told us, that there may be an implosion in the upper echelons of the SNP in the next 3 to 6 months.
@pixywine –
Haven’t watched that one yet. But the link cirsium posted here last night is a belter.
link to odysee.com
Central to Feullmich’s case seems to be this idea of ‘informed consent’. How on earth can people in Scotland claim to be ‘informed’ on the subject when they only ever get to hear one side. It’s not even a ‘side’ – that suggests some form of square-go, a ‘fair fight’. There’s fuck all ‘fair’ about it.
For reasons of their own, the mainstream media won’t touch ‘anti-vaxxers’ with a bargepole. Just gently mocks from a safe distance, as a goodly % of the population is turned upon by the ignorant, reactionary, gullible majority. Soon, there will be no objection to ‘covidiots’ being criminalised.
No-one in Scotland has done more to misinform the public than Nicola Sturgeon and nodding-dog Leitch. They have, over an impressively long period, managed to set so many propaganda plates spinning that it’s getting quite difficult to watch. The abuse of language, the fearmongering, the outright lies and u-turns. They have played games with the lives of millions. With every passing week since the election it seems that these characters are now fighting for their lives. Because the prospect of another five years of this shitery is simply unbearable. They have to spin this out for as long as they can. Anyone listening to them in recent days will have picked up signals – especially from Leitch – that this is going to go on for years. And it will, if we don’t stop them.
That sounds a bit melodramatic, but I honestly believe it. If we don’t get shot of them, who will? And if we don’t get rid of them, what happens to anyone who dares raise even the mildest criticism of SWMBO? It’s in our interests to bring this farce to an end. We have to be selfish, and we have to *act*.
There is no excuse for anyone who fails to educate themselves on this topic, and fast. All the material which the public deserved to see as the result of basic journalistic decency is out there. Yes, it’s frequently taken down by Youtube/Google/YT etc, but people are fast too, archiving copies.
Agreed Ian .
Leaving aside disagreements about vaccines , risk , numbers : what a lot of people feared would happen is happening , right in front of our eyes but obscured by an opaque fog of relentless,one-sided blatantly skewed * Official * narratives,faithfully pumped-out by MSM
The situation is being exploited by devious , unscrupulous liars to suit whatever warped agenda or need for diversionary squirrels they require .
There is also an awful lot of money being made around this , ergo an awful lot of people with a vested interest in reinforcing the dominant narrative
@Robert Hughes (10.46) –
The almost total absence of any serious investigation of the £27 billion chucked at a ‘track & trace’ system should have set alarm bells going all over the place.
£27 *BILLION*?!
FFS, it’s hard enough for most of us to imagine a million of anything. A billion? 27 of them?
A lot of silence has been bought, and it’s been done in plain view.
That’s how emboldened/untouchable these fuckers think they are.
Friends – please report the fourth comment from the top: “Grouser says: Will it be sooner or later? I don’t have much ‘later’ left.” 10.20am.
The fraud is ‘avin’ a larf. He aint me.
Meanwhile…..
Your essential weekend reading:
‘The Glen Garry Evictions”: link to wp.me
The Twitter reaction to Kirsten Oswald’s statement re Doug Chapman is, well, ooooooft!
Grouse Beater @ 11.26 pm ,
I’ve just read your post and thanks once again for another excellent post , It’s a tragedy what happened in Scotland’s past and we should never ever allow future generations to forget it .
I never had a high opinion of Claire Fox.
Nothing she said improved my opinion of her.
Brexiteer still in denial of the consequences.
I look to the Chris Grey Brexit Blog for where it is really at.
The pandemic masks the effects of Brexit, for now.
Ian Brotherhood @ 11.36 pm ,
It’s time for people to read this again as Rev Stuart was right about it all in this post ,
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Hello Wings , the SNP financial kitchen is beginning to get hot. We could do with you here to stir the pot 🙂
Ultimately the agenda is to make the individual surrender their health to government control. To make us give up belief in ourselves and our own body’s ability to fight disease. We then become pawns under government control, our immune system dependent on government-sponsored pharmaceuticals and “vaccines”, our human rights suppressed for the “greater good”.
The criticism of Jason Leitch is justified. He said in regard to vaccine uptake, “We’d love to give you that full protection”. Now, there are two things wrong with that statement. The first is that health is not about love or hate, it is about what is in the best interests of the individual. Secondly, it is widely acknowledged that the vaccine does not confer full protection and therefore to say so is a lie.
The cause of the lockdown was the number of deaths and the pressure on the NHS; the effect was the restrictions that were put in place. However, lately, there have been very few or no deaths at all, the NHS is not under excessive pressure, and yet with the cause removed the effects are still in place. If no deaths or very few deaths are not the trigger to remove restrictions then what is? Negative deaths? There is no such thing which shows the absurdity of their modelling. All that testing does is prove that the virus is circulating within the population and, without control of our borders, zero Covid is an impossibility.
I’m really struggling to muster a yawn with regard Dougie Champan’s declaration.
Sorry pet, but that info should have been on your desk by December – at the latest – after all – its not like there wasn’t justifiable public interst… and it takes until a HE, and 6 months before you bother your arse to make any kind of statement.
SUCH a shame that the role of Treasurer carries criminal and financial laibilities – if you don’t bother your complacent arse.
DEAR ALBA – IF YOU TAKE THIS INCOMPETENT BAFOON ON, IT WILL BE ALBA’S FIRST ‘FOOTE’ INCIDENT. AT THE RISK OF POINTING OUT THE ROOM TEMPERATURE – I’D TELL YOU TO GO AND FUCK YOURSELVES, BUT I ALREADY KNOW – YOU ARE THE NEW, NEW SNP IN THE MAKING AND WON’T BE LISTENING.
Saffron Robe says: 30 May, 2021 at 12:16 am
There are two options.
One, where Covid is still active amongst the population of Scotland but it is manageable to the point where there isn’t enough deaths and hospital services aren’t overwhelmed.
The second is where Covid is totally eradicated from the population of Scotland.
It’s up to the population of Scotland as to what is the most realistic.
@ Daisy Walker at 12.22.
I don’t follow your meaning. Are you saying that Alba IS just like the SNP in all respects or…?
@Saffron Robe (12.16) –
Someone (perhaps Ottomanboi?) posted a link to the Church of Scotland’s in-house magazine which featured an interview with Jason Leitch in which he spoke about his ‘faith journey’.
How much solace should we take from the fact that our ‘National Clinical Advisor’ happens to belong to a faith which once championed the whole concept of predestinarianism?
Jason knows which side his bread’s buttered.
God wanted it that way.
@Saffron Robe 30 May, 2021 at 12:16 am
“There is no such thing which shows the absurdity of their modelling. All that testing does is prove that the virus is circulating within the population and, without control of our borders, zero Covid is an impossibility.”
Actual real Experts say its an impossibilitybut why listen to them when you know better huh ?
link to thetimes.co.uk , link to reuters.com
@Ian Brotherhood 29 May, 2021 at 11:20 pm
“The almost total absence of any serious investigation of the £27 billion chucked at a ‘track & trace’ system should have set alarm bells going all over the place.
£27 *BILLION*?!
FFS, it’s hard enough for most of us to imagine a million of anything. A billion? 27 of them?
A lot of silence has been bought, and it’s been done in plain view.
That’s how emboldened/untouchable these fuckers think they are.”
And there won’t be investigations because your just repeating fake garbage in the first place. There is a big difference in “bugeting for” and “actual spend” link to fullfact.org
@Ian Brotherhood says:
29 May, 2021 at 11:36 pm
“The Twitter reaction to Kirsten Oswald’s statement re Doug Chapman is, well, ooooooft!”
First Class Pile On. Thoroughly deserved as well.
@Tommo 29 May, 2021 at 9:54 pm
“Quite extraordinary-and exactly as foretold by the learned Editor- financial shambles in a relatively tiny party- or more accurately an accessible trough for your elect such that no-one with a modicum of integrity will touch the books with a bargepole
Corruption and financial incompetence are ‘woven through’ ‘Indy’”
Wait till they finally tell you openly that Scotlands published numbers are real then there will be hundreds of thousands of bubbles being burst all over Scotland when they all finally understand the depth of how they have been deceived by the SNP.
tinyurl.com/6jbxhcz4
@Pixywine 29 May, 2021 at 7:42 pm
“Are those deaths in care homes as a result of your Government lockdown. You twist and turn and switch from one lie to the next. You’re a tipple”
Do try to be less stupid than we all know you already are , the Scottish NHS is fully devolved to the Scottish Government and has been for more than 10 years already. Quite pityful really how you continue to try to blame other people when Calamity Jeane has already made an apology for Her huge mistakes in Scotland link to thescottishsun.co.uk
Ian Brotherhood says:
29 May, 2021 at 11:36 pm
The Twitter reaction to Kirsten Oswald’s statement re Doug Chapman is, well, ooooooft!
Aye….
link to twitter.com
Seems the Accounts are the only books Sturgeon doesn’t want to talk about. How strange eh?
I note too the scathing derision for ALBA in one or two tweets, speculating Douglas Chapman may be defecting there… Nevermind the defectors, are some extremely nasty and bitter deflectors in the SNP who are making this so much worse in the long run.
How bad can it be for FOUR SNP account auditors to quit in frustration?
” Tell the rambler, the gambler, the back biter. Tell ’em that God’s gonna cut ’em down…. You can run on for a long time…. Sooner or later… Johnny Cash.
Hamerdoon @6:25 pm
Cheers. Looks like 127,000 people in UK have died within 28 days of a positive covid test since last January.
However, if 70% of the UK adult population have been vaccinated since this January, and there are about 40,000 people in UK who die every month, then the number of dead vaccinated people already exceeds that number and I’m curious as to how an informed choice can be made if the two aspects are, inexplicably, not given equal weighting
ie, setting aside the possibility that communists no longer want communities, nor corporations customers, it would be rather a sad day for democracy if the zombie apocalypse was ultimately triggered by well intended tyranny rather than, say, an illegal act.
link to archive.is
“A Telegraph poll on Scottish independence has not found the levels of overwhelming support for a united Britain that Union Jack waving Mr Johnson may have been hoping for.”
Only 20% of English voters are Unionists.
Grouse Beater , Scotland should know her history and should know the names of those who chose to damage her.
I always wonder what all the good folk were doing while such dreadful deeds were done.
Did they just look the other way or were they just too scared to take action.
I have left a garbled comment on site with the mis spellings and syntax awry- no change there eh?
Can anyone fix the Word Press comment box?
Do you believe a high percentage of the English electorate are extremely arrogant. Yes/No.
“Two in five (43 per cent) Conservative voters in England say they should be able to vote in a Scottish independence referendum, compared to just a quarter (26 per cent) of Labour voters who say the same.
nearly half (44 per cent) of English voters said they thought independence would “fail”.
Three in five (62 per cent) of English Conservative voters believe an independent Scotland would fail,”
@ Ruby
A bit more comment related to that Telegraph polling.
link to twitter.com
” Tell the rambler, the gambler, the back biter. Tell ’em that God’s gonna cut ’em down…. You can run on for a long time…. Sooner or later… Johnny Cash.”
B/W ” A Boy Identifying As Sue ” ?
How long before they start digging a moat around Bute House , pull-up the drawbridge and place the Swiss Cheese Woke Guard on the battlements to fend off investigators with rainbow crossbows firing carrots ?
Surely this utter shambles of a Party can’t continue as it is much longer , something has to give , and sooner the better
Clipped from a Daily Record story. WTF?
The Scottish Government handed Amazon £4.7million last year despite the firm paying no corporation tax on £38billion of European sales.
The internet giant’s web services division was paid the public money and has also recently signed a 10-year NHS deal worth £15million.
But accounts for Amazon’s Luxembourg unit – the firm through which it sells products to millions of Scottish and other European households – claim a £1billion paper loss and therefore zero tax was paid last year.
Documents released through Freedom of Information show that in 2020-21 the Scottish Government paid £4.7million for the firm’s web services, £45,272 the year before and £2.5million in 2018-19.
The £7.2million total was only for Scottish Government “core” departments and didn’t include other agencies.
The NHS deal, meanwhile, is to provide web hosting for an IT system able to deploy “data in real-time at the point of care” for patients north of the Border.
Earlier this week
1. Stephen Kerr asks Westminster to tell SG to stop trying to enhance Scotland’s relationships with countries around the world.”
2. “Alex Salmond launches international chapter of Alba Party”
link to archive.is
link to archive.is
Re the previous comments regarding ‘haar’. In the Forth Valley we have unfortunately got the SNP version this morning…………………it is really thick!
chas says:
30 May, 2021 at 9:40 am
Re the previous comments regarding ‘haar’. In the Forth Valley we have unfortunately got the SNP version this morning…………………it is really thick!
Reply
Same in Edinburgh.
Arthur’s Seat & the Castle have been ‘redacted’.
Stuart McTavish,
I’ve never been happy with counting people who have tested positive with Covid in the last 28 days as succumbing to the effects of Covid.
It can give an indication regarding the deaths but will absolutely not be accurate.
If you were to count deaths of people who had been in a car in the last 28 days as road traffic accidents, you would be ridiculed.
Of course, this isn’t a direct comparison but merely an example of how wrong a system of attribution can be.
It’s not only a case of the methodology being wrong, but by how much?
These new laws being suggested under covid are questionable in there legality here in Scotland, wether it is vaccine passports, actually taking a vaccine, having to load apps or to give all your personal details,
Will they break the treaty of the union.
As Article XV111 private right is unalterable in Scotland according to the treaty,
Good to see you back in the fray Stu!
Overall UK death figures from 1990 to 2020.
The figure for this last year is up on previous by around 80k.
Dan, the ONS death figures for the year 2020 are provisional so cannot be relied upon. Did you know this?
glad to see you active again.the Angus Mcneil interview was interesting and refreshing.I also noticed tweet from craig murray suggessting that an snp appointee had resigned rather than go along with an attempt to bury the evidence of the misuse of the ring fenced indy fund. Another pointer to th depraved mentality that prevails within the SNP. I also thought AS’s choice of guests was interesting as it gives voice to otherwise unheard views.I hope you will continue with the blog. It provides a lifeline to those who have not swallowed the baited hook laid out by some in the snp. On the bright side there may have been a shift in consciousness for reason other than the AS affair. In England the pandemic has been a fubar of fubars.Less so in Scotland, although criticism is possible, but we have not been part of the shocking depravity/orruption of the extreme right wing of the Tory party in relation to the pandemic which has seen it as just another disaster capitalism opportunity.I question whether johnson can survive in the longer term.
@ JimuckMac
Aye, it states in the text that the figures are provisional for 2020, and also only relate to England and Wales.
How hard can it be to compile and publish accurate numbers in a timely manner for the UK as a whole, and its constituent parts, with info pulled from the Recorded Deaths databases.
We’re almost halfway through 2021 and presume we have the medical expertise to work out if some is actually dead after not moving and beginning to smell for the best part of 6 months.
So Douglas Chapman has resigned as a SNP National Treasurer.
Seems he was not being given access to the party accounts which by anyone’s book is outrageous. And Police Scotland, the rotten and corrupt political police force that it it is has issued a statement to say there is no evidence of fraud in relation to the missing £600,000 of donations
Fascism is here. Fear the Police. This is only going to get worse.
Ian Brotherhood, I was thinking about your comment regarding Jason Leitch and his “faith journey”. I think it would be fair to say that he is preaching faith-based medicine, just as the neo-SNP would have us believe in their faith-based politics!
Robert Hughes says:
“How long before they start digging a moat around Bute House, pull-up the drawbridge and place the Swiss Cheese Woke Guard on the battlements to fend off investigators with rainbow crossbows firing carrots?”
Brilliant Robert, just about sums it up!
Breastplate says:
“I’ve never been happy with counting people who have tested positive with Covid in the last 28 days as succumbing to the effects of Covid. It can give an indication regarding the deaths but will absolutely not be accurate.”
I think that’s very true Breastplate. It is similar to prostate cancer – you are more likely to die with it than because of it.
As regards the discussion around “haar”. I always thought that “haar” could also mean a light, misty rain – similar to smirr and drizzle. Is that correct?
Willie
And where is the police evidence showing that there is no evidence of fraud? Did they see the £600,000 in a separate referendum account?
Given the evidence the rev produced something is not right.
Has the Rev. been ‘got at’?
Saffron, naw! a haar is cald and creepy!
@ Willie and McDuff
If this tweet is legit that this person got their money back after donating to the ring-fenced Indy Fund, then the refunded cash must have come from somewhere.
link to twitter.com
Police quizzed me about SNP chief Peter Murrell’s financial dealings, claims activist
An SNP activist claims the party chief Peter Murrell, who is married to the first minister Nicola Sturgeon, was being investigated by police
An SNP activist claims the party chief Peter Murrell, who is married to the first minister Nicola Sturgeon, was being investigated by police
JEFF J MITCHELL/GETTY
James Mulholland
Friday May 28 2021, 5.00pm, The Times
Detectives visited a Scottish independence activist in connection with a probe into the alleged misuse of £593,000 of SNP funds, a court has heard.
David Henry told Sheriff Adrian Cottam that officers said to him that a “criminal complaint” had been lodged against Peter Murrell, the SNP chief executive. He added that the police said that people who donated to the party and who feared their cash had gone missing should contact them.
Henry made the claims during a hearing yesterday at Edinburgh sheriff court. He had raised an action last year about a rule change made by the SNP’s national executive committee, which made it harder for MPs to swap Westminster for Holyrood.
The SNP’s national executive committee changed the process last July to force its politicians in the Commons to resign as soon as they are selected to stand for the Scottish parliament.
Joanna Cherry QC, the party’s justice spokeswoman at Westminster, branded the ruling unfair. Henry, who was suing for £5,000 in membership fees and donations, failed in his action. Sheriff Cottam concluded his action was “incompetent” and raised issues which should be addressed by a judicial review, a legal mechanism available only at the Court of Session.
During the virtual hearing, which was to deal with the question of whether Henry should be liable to pay legal costs in the action, Henry made the claims about Murrell, who is married to Nicola Sturgeon, the first minister.
“Somebody else has lodged a criminal complaint against Peter Murrell and the SNP in particular, I believe,” he said. “Two detectives came to visit me two and a half to three weeks ago. They were actively investigating the SNP and this reported missing funds of £593,000. And it is missing — the accounts are very clear; there is no ring-fenced reference in the last three years’ worth of accounts that I have read — because I did all of this before I raised any case.”
Henry, who was an organiser for the SNP’s Edinburgh Pentlands constituency association and the secretary of the party’s Sighthill and Stenhouse branch, added: “There is something really rotten going on.”
Sheriff Cottam told Henry his accusations and allegations were irrelevant to the action, saying: “I must put a stop to all this.” He said Henry must pay his opponents’ legal costs, with the amount to be decided at a future hearing.
It was reported last month Police Scotland was investigating allegations of fraud made by a member of the public.
At the time the SNP dismissed the claims as “utterly baseless” and “part of an ongoing dirty tricks campaign”.
The party did not respond to a request for comment on the claims made yesterday in court.
Anyone else thinking Nic has a crush on Lorna?
@Daisy Walker, 12.22am
Well said, Daisy. He kept quiet, not responding to any queries from members until the election was in the bag and now says that he is unable to have sight of the accounts. It is not just his competence which is in question. He would have needed MI6 vetting to accompany Neal Stewart and MP Stewart McDonald on their visit to Ukraine. ALBA should steer well clear of him.
Don. Do go fuck yourself you hard working Tory Troll. Address the lies and propaganda stop insulting the publics intelligence. The cats out the bag Tory.
To all freedom fighters I know James Delingpole is a Tory but he is on our side of History. He is not one of the bad guys.I should stop usinf Tory as an insult.
The Fascists in charge use Left and Right as an obfuscation a distraction from the issue of micro managed lives and insane levels of surveillance. The Medical Apartheid being set up is beginning with the NHS health App.
Dave Llewellen on FB : – Sturgeon is now Treasurere until new appointment is made. If you gave to the “ring fenced” fund- write and ask what happened to the money. She must respond within ten days. link to facebook.com
Robbo. That sounds like SNHS backdoor privatisation.
If I’m wrong. I’ll eat a bunch of bananas
Heading over to the Delingpole link in 5432and
“Pixywine says:
30 May, 2021 at 1:44 pm
Do go fuck yourself you hard working Tory Troll. Address the lies and propaganda stop insulting the publics intelligence. The cats out the bag Tory.”
then
“Pixywine says:
30 May, 2021 at 1:49 pm
To all freedom fighters I know James Delingpole is a Tory but he is on our side of History. He is not one of the bad guys.I should stop usinf Tory as an insult”
Your all over the fecking place, are you just completely mad ?
@Pixywine 30 May, 2021 at 1:49 pm
“To all freedom fighters I know James Delingpole is a Tory but he is on our side of History. He is not one of the bad guys.I should stop using Tory as an insult.”
link to tenor.com
If it wasnae for the weaver
Where would they be?
In the Cornton Vale
Or on the BBC…
Where’s all the money gone?
Don’t ask the SNP,
Cause they’ve gied a your money
Tae the weaver…
Situations vacant. The SNP are looking for a new treasurer.
Applicants should preferably be inumerate, gullible, lazy, uninquisitive and pliable.
Just watched the Delingpid interview of Reiner Feulmich. I advise anyone who hasn’t seen it yet to do so. It is vital. I would advise Don to watch it also but I suspect he already has hence his busy workload on here.
Don. Your side is losing. All you have left is to kick in our doors. I’ll be waiting….
Ian Brotherhood and someone else, apologies for forgetting your name, have posted a link to the Delingpole interview with Dr Feulmich. I strongly urge all readers to view it. Our children depend on you and I educating ourselves to the criminality ongoing in Government.
Dr Morag Kerr. If you still read this we need people with your knowledge experience and spirit of enquiry to look into the misuse of the PCR test and the false claim by a Dr Drosten that it was him who invented when we know the PCR was invented by Dr Kary Mullus.
Don. You’re losing….
@Saffron Robe, 12.16am
The criticism of Jason Leitch is justified. He said in regard to vaccine uptake, “We’d love to give you that full protection”. Now, there are two things wrong with that statement. The first is that health is not about love or hate, it is about what is in the best interests of the individual. Secondly, it is widely acknowledged that the vaccine does not confer full protection and therefore to say so is a lie.
The pharmaceutical companies achieved emergency approval for unlicensed products on the basis that the therapies would mitigate symptoms. They did not claim that the experimental injections would give full protection, that is, confer immunity or prevent transmission. These therapies were fast tracked so there was no time for full testing and for the study of long-term safety of the products. In effect, anyone receiving these injections is participating as a human subject in a drug trial. According to the Nuremberg Code, human experimentation requires the subject to give informed consent. I haven’t seen any evidence that formal consent was obtained before people were injected.
Some of the risks from the experimental products are now becoming evident, as the following article shows
link to globalresearch.ca
Nicola Sturgeon. You’re losing…..
SNP should employ Mark Carney.Hes good at taking orders
Don. Doh
@Pixywine –
It was cirsium who first posted the Fuellmich interview.
😉
Small claims court, known in Scotland as Simple Procedure.
In most Simple Procedure claims, costs awards can be minimised by not making a claim above £3000.
Between £1,500 and £3,000 costs are limited to 10% of the claim. E.g. for a claim of £3,000 costs would normally be capped to £300 max for most – not all – types of claims.
For claims of £3,001 to £5,000 costs are awarded by Sheriff’s discretion and are not capped. The convention is loser pays costs.
link to citizensadvice.org.uk
@ Daisy and Cirsium I agree entirely that if Douglas Chapman was interested in truth and integrity he would have issued his resignation a lot sooner , not only that he would be vociferous in public in his condemnation at being hampered and frustrated for doing the job members ELECTED him to do and named the individual or individuals blocking his path
Stuart Campbell if memory serves wrote to the honest Chapman to enquire on his progress at revealing the location or otherwise of the funds but did not receive a positive response
I know time can move slowly and people can be a bit tardy but to be elected in Dec and resign in May because you haven’t seen a bit of paper takes incompetence to a new level , or could there have been some other reason for that tardiness such as an election where the troughing can continue unabated
I couldn’t possibly answer that
Pixywine says:
Dr Morag Kerr. If you still read this we need people with your knowledge experience and spirit of enquiry to look into the misuse of the PCR test
Reply
The last time Dr Morag Kerr replied to you she said:
Morag says:
You have been reading fake-news rubbish from conspiracy-theory web sites. Give it up.
It’s bad enough having to watch the monumental mess all the British governments are making of trying to handle this pandemic without also having to listen to completely off-the-wall rubbish from raving nutcases who wouldn’t know a PCR machine if they tripped over one.
Baroness Fox of Warrington on RT. Class.
@Willie – From today’s Telegraph: “SNP’s Deputy First Minister denies finances secrecy scandal after treasurer resigns”.
All that John Swinney has done is deny it and I think the Police are still investigating.
I have dealt with John Swinney for 6-years and he’s the most arrogant and dishonest liar you will ever meet in your life. So, if John Swinney says something to you, it is meaningless, disregard it, it is probably bullshit.
Cirsium says:
“According to the Nuremberg Code, human experimentation requires the subject to give informed consent. I haven’t seen any evidence that formal consent was obtained before people were injected.”
Cirsium, I noticed your earlier comment with regards to the same. I agree entirely.
The government approach to the pandemic overwrites the basis of medical ethics and ignores the two most important principles of medicine: “First, do no harm” and secondly, “Futile intervention is worse than no intervention at all”.
@Saffron Robe – I doubt if any country in the world has asked patients to sign a form before giving them the injection. It is offered on a take it or leave it basis and most of us are taking it.
I can remember when we were having 1,000 deaths plus per day in the days prior to mas vaccinations. We now have less than 10 per day.
It’s an emotive subject of course and some people who write in here feel strongly about it. I don’t I’m afraid. I weighed it up and decided to have the vaccine months ago.
Cirsium keyboard-crapped,
“According to the Nuremberg Code, human experimentation requires the subject to give informed consent. I haven’t seen any evidence that formal consent was obtained before people were injected.”
1. The Nuremberg code is a basic set of recommendations, it has no legal standing in UK or international law.
2. Even if it did, it relates to the experimentation phase of trials. Despite some of the delusional views on here of people who do not know how medical trials work, this phase of trials is over, documented, peer-reviewed, published, and complete. It is no longer an experiment.
3. If you weren’t part of the trial, you wouldn’t have been asked to give formal consent so just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Also, when you go for the vaccine, information is provided to you and there is someone separate from the nurse to discuss and obtain your consent prior to receiving the vaccine.
link to fullfact.org
From the above, Dr Julian Sheather of the BMA says,
“Drawing a link between this final roll out of these vaccines and what the Nazi doctors were doing is morally grotesque.”
Well, on Twitter someone has said that the SNP only has 2 party officers registered with the Electoral Commission – Mr & Mrs Murrell.
And they have the cheek to talk about cronyism in other parties…
@ Beaker
ttps://twitter.com/Scotpol1314/status/1398975776884727809
Could it be with everything that’s been going on, that is actually a good situation…
Soz, duff link as lost an h
link to twitter.com
@Balaaargh (6.40) –
‘Cirsium keyboard-crapped…’
What’s the point in addressing other commenters like that? Do you think it improves the quality of your ‘argument’?
Why not attempt to deal with some of the very specific, detailed testimony emerging all over the place?
Here’s a very short example. How would you counter the concerns expressed here?
twitter.com/wittgenstein78/status/1399067144176947205
‘I can remember when we were having 1,000 deaths plus per day in the days prior to mas vaccinations.’
Do ye, aye?
Or is that reports of 1000’s of deaths, taken 28 days from a positive ‘test’ whose inventor states explicitly that its not to be used for diagnosis.
@J.o.e – I can remember 3,000 deaths per day in India, 2,000 deaths per day in Brazil. Bodies floating down the Ganges and other bodies being cremated in car-parks. Oxygen bottles being sold on the black-market. I think if anyone dies from Covid in hospital, then they can be pretty sure it’s Covid. Yes, the tests are not perfect, but neither are many other diagnostic tests. I wouldn’t expect the inventor of the test to claim it was 100% accurate.
The vaccine has already saved 10’s of thousands of deaths in this country alone.
@J.o.e 30 May, 2021 at 7:47 pm
“Do ye, aye?
Or is that reports of 1000’s of deaths, taken 28 days from a positive ‘test’ whose inventor states explicitly that its not to be used for diagnosis.”
LOL yet another crank ? The issue isn’t with PCR tests the issue is twofold
1: The amount of time you spend reading conspiracy theory’s
2: The lack of effort and time you have actually spent trying to understand PCR tests, because truth is that you really would rather belivie made up conspiracy theories instead of truth.
link to bmj.com
Apologies if you already know this. Colin Beattie is going to be appointed National Treasurer.
Going by Twitter it is a really, really, really good choice…
@Don
Here is Kary Mullis, the inventor of the test, explaining how the results of a PCR test can be misinterpreted during a separate discussion of the HIV virus:
link to youtube.com
‘I don’t think you can misuse PCR. It’s the interpretation of it. With PCR if you do it well you can find almost anything in anybody. If you can amplify one single molecule up to something you can really measure, which PCR can do, then there are very few molecules that you don’t have at least one single one of them in your body. So that could be one misuse of it, to claim that its meaningful’
‘It tells you something about nature and what’s there. It allows you to take a very miniscule amount of anything and then make it measurable in order to talk about it at meetings.’
‘It’s a process that’s used to make a whole lot of something out of something’
‘It doesn’t tell you if you are sick or if the thing you ended up with was going to hurt you’
And now:
From the Public Health England document: Understanding cycle threshold (Ct) in SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR
‘‘Cycle threshold (Ct) is a semi-quantitative value that can broadly categorise the concentration of viral genetic material in a patient sample following testing by RT PCR as low, medium or high – that is, it tells us approximately how much viral genetic material is in the sample.
A low Ct indicates a high concentration of viral genetic material, which is typically associated with high risk of infectivity.
A high Ct indicates a low concentration of viral genetic material which is typically associated with a lower risk of infectivity. In the context of an upper respiratory tract sample a high Ct may also represent scenarios where a higher risk of infection remains – for example, early infection, inadequately collected or degraded sample.
A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.’
Let the last sentence sink in and compare it with what the PCR inventor says. That means without symptoms the test is just about meaningless. As are death statistics ‘within 28 days’ of such a positive ‘test’. So then are lockdowns. So then is this ‘temporary use authorisation’ that has us giving vaccines that are still completely in the experimental stage to people.
@Captain Yossarian
You remember stuff you heard from official channels. That is what you remember.
” The vaccine has already saved 10’s of thousands of deaths in this country alone. ”
What an outlandish claim . How can you possibly know what would have happened without the vaccine ?
Is it not just as credible to say 10s of thousands of lives have been * saved * because the virus has largely passed , just like every other viral outbreak in history has passed ?
@ Beaker at 8:31 pm
I understood he was the Treasurer a short time ago, and Chapman replaced him, and the three NEC who left were supposed auditors who couldn’t get details from Beattie.
I’m certain Beattie’s WiKi page has been changed to remove treasurer
Bojo Johnson stars in
“Three Weddings & 150,000 Funerals”
Westminster decide it’s not a break in the Ministerial code when he lied about
who initially paid for Carrie’s blank cheque refurbishment and now the very strict
and moral Catholic Church decides weddings 2 & 3 don’t count so he was given
the freedom to marry again but this time in the Catholic Church?
So that means the Catholic Church declares all of Bojo’s offspring to be Bastards.
No need for a DNA test there then!
Does this also mean that all marriages outside the Catholic Church don’t count or just
the ones rich Tories don’t want?
It is easier for a rich man to pass by the eye of the Beadle
@Robert Hughes 30 May, 2021 at 8:51 pm
” The vaccine has already saved 10’s of thousands of deaths in this country alone. ”
“What an outlandish claim . How can you possibly know what would have happened without the vaccine ?
Is it not just as credible to say 10s of thousands of lives have been * saved * because the virus has largely passed , just like every other viral outbreak in history has passed ?”
Are you insane ? the Virus hasn’t passed. what other viruses have ever “passed” without Vaccines ? Has Flu or Measles ever went away on its own ? Its time we stopped beliving Scotland is an educated country , its the opposite its actually one where half the population doesn’t even understand their own countries economics never mind other statistics. No doubt the World of Statistics perhaps is a complete unknown to you ?
“Public Health England analysis” alone link to bbc.co.uk
@Don (10.45) –
🙂 🙂 🙂
Please stop.
Don’t think my puir auld sides can handle much more.
@ J.o.e 30 May, 2021 at 8:44 pm
200 Governments in the World and their 200 Health services choose to use PCR tests because they work and do what is required of them.
J.O.E from Scotland (presumably) says its all shite.
Go away and sit in the dark and have a wee think about that for a while.
A quick rummage Beattie was the SNP Treasurer , the article I looked up was over a charity and money written by Tom Gordon in 2017
The project was called Kabin involved Money, Scottish Government Money and Tricky Nicky
Surely Not Missing Money?
@Ian Brotherhood 30 May, 2021 at 10:50 pm
“Don’t think my puir auld sides can handle much more”
You don’t think Vaccines have saved live or that you don’t think
“Public Health Englands”actual data means it knows better that Ian Brotherhood does ? tinyurl.com/2v967wcu
link to eu.usatoday.com
Just dropped by, I see pissywhine is pissing all over the place again.
@Don
‘Im’ not saying its shite. Im saying that the inventor of the PCR test and the advice given from Public Health England happen to agree that PCR is at best an unreliable method for judging someones viral infectiousness without symptoms being evident.
These aren’t the only qualified people to express this concern.
One such group to express concern is the WHO themselves:
link to who.int
‘WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.
WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases (2). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity.
Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.’
This agrees with Mullis and the Public Health England document.
That literally means that we cannot accept a situation where someone is diagnosed with, and recorded as having, covid absent of actual observable symptoms. Which is exactly what we are doing and have been doing.
Its what is justifying the entire covid response now. Including mass vaccination (that don’t actually work).
@stonefree 30 May, 2021 at 10:53 pm
“A quick rummage Beattie was the SNP Treasurer , the article I looked up was over a charity and money written by Tom Gordon in 2017
The project was called Kabin involved Money, Scottish Government Money and Tricky Nicky
Surely Not Missing Money?”
Don’t know, Plenty around on Beattie and there is rarely smoke without Fire link to scotsman.com
link to heraldscotland.com
@Ian Brotherhood 30 May, 2021 at 10:50 pm
“Don’t think my puir auld sides can handle much more”
Any idea Ian why nobody in Wales spends their lives greetin their lives away that GERW numbers there Goverment uses to run Wales aren’t real ?
link to cardiff.ac.uk
Any idea what numbers the SNP Scot Government has been using to run Scotland for the last 14 years are ? You can even see the 14 years of changes to them the SNP itself has made on the Scot Gov website. link to webarchive.nrscotland.gov.uk
‘Don’ is going to “keep on trolling” in the hope that the rest of us will eventually get fed up and not even bother looking on the site. So tedious.
Don is quite right,
Scotland can’t afford independence because Covid is much more infectious here than the outside world. Scotland’s health service would be ill equipped and would quickly be overwhelmed by global infectious diseases.
On the other hand, England would sail through effortlessly leaping every hurdle in a single bound.
God save the Queen and god bless her.
link to archive.is
How long can this go on?
Then again, has “this” even started yet?
” A Police Scotland spokeswoman confirmed a complaint about fraud within the SNP had been received on March 25, adding: “The complaint is still being assessed to determine if an investigation is required.”
Is it correct for the Police to take over two months to decide IF they’re going to investigate??? Not exactly in hot pursuit are they?
I wonder if the Police Scotland spokeswoman was speaking for Police Scotland or COPFS, because that wouldn’t be dodgy, nossir, not in the slightest. No stench of corruption there.
Maybe we should drop Alex Salmond’s name into the missing £600k, then the police would instantly be all over the case, putting 400+ officers on it, setting up a task force and cast a wide net trawling for witnesses, and being prepared to put innocent people in jail on the back of false witnesses and orchestrated conspiracy…
But apparently, it’s beyond Police Scotland, even after two months sterling effort, to decide whether it’s worth investigating if £600k has been embezzled or not.
And 4 in a row, I know, but why the hell isn’t the Electoral Commission demanding answers about a £600k political war chest just ‘disappearing’? Isn’t that the kind on thing they’re meant to ask questions about?
Hello Effigy, yesterday at 10.40 a.m. I fully understand your critique of the Catholic Church vis-a-vis Boris Johnson’s new marriage. However, just to put the record straight, no exception was made for Johnson. The Catholic canon law seems to have been followed precisely, even meticulously.
The thing that was not hitherto public knowledge, and which is rather interesting in itself, is that not just Carrie Symonds but Johnson himself is actually a Catholic. His mother being Catholic, he was baptised into the Catholic Church as an infant. That means he remains a Catholic, even if he does not practise his Catholic faith, so long as he does not formally renounce it.
It seems he did start operating as an Anglican when he was a schoolboy at Eton. Perhaps, somewhat precociously (not to say prophetically!) he was thereby already showing an early tendency towards his future devotion to life as a chancer (i.e. with a beady and wide-awake eye to the main chance, meaning what really matters in life is what’s best for Boris). After all, if you want to ingratiate yourself with the English establishment, and even be accepted as a fully paid up member of it, it is usually better to be an Anglican than a Catholic. Especially if your aim is to become Prime Minister.
(As an aside, it may be remarked that there are still a few glass ceilings in this country. It remains a fact, even in law, that some positions which are still prohibited to Catholics remain formally open to everyone else, Jews and Muslims included – just make sure you are not Catholic! The schoolboy Boris, a chancer perhaps but no fool, would already have been fully aware of this. Already ambitious to become the new Winston Churchill, he would have known that – at least at that time – any whiff of his Catholicism would have scuppered his chances of ever residing in 10 Downing Street from the outset, even before the starting-gun on his putative political career had been fired. Letting everyone presume he was an Anglican at Eton was already a good move on his part, as he set out to slip up the greasy pole, towards political stardom.)
It would be interesting to know what he did to become an Anglican. What his wedding at Westminster Cathedral a couple of days ago suggests is that, almost certainly, he did nothing at all. Nothing official, that is. He presumably just started acting as an Anglican, without any formal renunciation of his original Catholicism, and this was accepted as sufficient by whoever represented the Church of England at Eton.
Anglicans are not always sticklers for form in the way that the Catholic Church is. That meant that in the eyes of the Catholic Church Boris was a Catholic who was not living according to his faith, but still a Catholic all the same, having been baptised into the Catholic Church and not having formally renounced it. That would have been his status (a technical term) ever since; not practising, but a Catholic all the same.
Now, when Catholics get married they are obliged to follow the rules of the Catholic Church concerning marriage, otherwise the marriage is not valid. These rules are strictly defined in canon law. As they currently stand, they are based on legislation passed at the Council of Trent, in the 16th Century. This means that the marriage must be conducted before a Catholic priest, who is officially (i.e. legally) delegated for this function, and who is present as the Church’s official witness to the fact that the marriage has indeed taken place. Someone else, a deacon or other, can be delegated for this task, but there is a legal form for this, and it has to be fulfilled for the delegation to be real and, hence, the marriage valid.
All of this is documented, and can be checked out. A record is kept of the marriages so undertaken, with reference numbers etc., and these are also marked in the baptismal registers. Anyone who has done historical research involving such documentation will recognise what I am talking about – you don’t have to be Catholic to know how it works.
Of course, many Catholics lapse, and get married at registry offices, or in other churches, and in all kinds of ways other than according to the form that is required by the Catholic Church. These marriages may all be recognised in the civil law of the country, but in the Catholic Church marriage is a sacrament, and they cannot be recognised by the Church as sacramental marriages. They were not conducted before an officially recognised representative of the Catholic Church, usually a priest but not any old priest – he must, all the same, be properly delegated for the task for any given specific wedding.
The end result of all this is that Boris Johnson, who is a Catholic, has never been married in the Catholic Church. His previous two marriages have never been conducted in the way the Catholic Church requires of Catholics; they are not sacramental marriages, and do not count as such. In the Catholic registers he remains a Catholic who has never been married. He is therefore free to marry.
Carrie Symonds also – whatever her prior personal history may have been (about which I know nothing – and which is none of my business, anyway) – must have been in the same position: a Catholic who has never before been married in a Catholic marriage, or in a marriage officially approved by the Catholic Church and in accordance with the rules of the Catholic Church. Therefore she too was free to marry. There was no impediment in Catholic canon law to the wedding that took place on Saturday at Westminster Cathedral. As I said, no special rules were made (or indeed broken) to facilitate the matter for the couple: everything was absolutely and strictly by the book.
The point is that the matter was dealt with in exactly the same way that it would be for any other Catholic in a similar situation. In that sense, the priest officiating and the Catholic authorities involved were absolutely correct in conducting this marriage. Still according to canon law, they do not actually have the right to refuse to marry a couple who are both Catholics, and both free to marry, who freely choose each other, and who freely wish to enter into a sacramental marriage union, with all the obligations (and actual or potential graces) which then ensue.
While Effigy and others may find this rather arcane, it is all perfectly logical in its own premises. Even though it may make it seem even more arcane, I should add that if Boris Johnson had originally been baptised as an Anglican, his marriage status would have been quite different, and Saturday’s Catholic marriage ceremony would not have been legally possible, and would never have been celebrated. Only Catholics are bound to follow the Catholic form required for a valid and indeed a sacramental marriage. Christians belonging to other churches are not bound by it.
Indeed – and this will surprise many – when two baptised people who are not Catholics enter into a marriage union, neither of them having been married before, the Catholic Church recognises their marriage as a sacrament. That means that that marriage cannot be broken until one of the partners dies (unless there is an annulment, which would mean that there is a proven defect – and it is hard to prove such a defect – in the original marriage contract, but that is a rare occurrence and a whole other story, which we won’t go into here).
This is so even when the church the two baptised people belong to do not call marriage a sacrament. For instance, the Church of Scotland calls it ‘a holy thing’, but not a sacrament as such. In the Catholic view, it is what it is not because of the name that anyone calls it, but because of the nature of the thing in itself. When the baptised couple in question exchange their vows, no matter what they call the thing that thereby happens, they in fact – according to the Catholic Church – confer the sacrament of marriage on each other.
However, if one of the two is a Catholic, and has no official permission from the Catholic Church to enter into this marriage, the sacrament does not take place and that (Catholic) person is not married in the eyes of the Church. This, presumably, was Boris Johnson’s case in his first marriage, and also in his second. Not being married in the eyes of the Church, he remained free to marry (also in the eyes of the Church, although in fact – and again as a matter of canon law – the Church would not perform a marriage for him until his previous marriage(s) recognised by the civil law was/were all dissolved in civil law).
All very complicated, many will no doubt say – but actually logical, and legally correct, in accordance with the Catholic Church’s own internal rules and procedures.
If (like me, in fact) you don’t much like Boris Johnson, and if besides you don’t like the idea of a Prime Minister being a Catholic, you might say that, ever the chancer, even in this regard, he has changed – even smashed – the ‘glass ceiling’ that hitherto prevented Catholics from becoming PM.
I don’t think he was cunning enough or committed enough, to have done that on purpose, or as some kind of preconceived plan. But he likes being the first, and different from others, so he probably won’t mind. On the psychological plane, which is quite different from the legal or canonical one, you might think that Carrie has wheedled him into it (women are generally so much more intelligent about getting something they really want than men are!) but he has in fact done it: he is the first Catholic PM the UK has ever had!
Not that every Catholic will be proud of the fact. To the contrary, since it’s Boris Johnson, some will be ashamed of him, or of their church being associated with him. Meanwhile, he will enjoy the ‘rogue’ element of it! Mind you, if he does have any faith and he is genuinely a believing Catholic, now he is stuck: it’s Carrie for life! The conditions or rather commitments of a Catholic marriage being i) it lasts as long as both partners remain alive (lifelong, therefore, for most people); ii) it requires fidelity (Boris, you’ll have to try harder); iii) both partners are open to having whatever children God may give them (well, Boris, ever a bit precocious, you and Carrie are doing well on that one so far: keep it up!).
For my part, what can I say? Politics aside (and this is not really politics, and ultimately more important than politics), and while being sympathetic to others who may have been hurt by the previous behaviour of one or the other of the new couple, I can only wish Boris and Carrie well on their new start to marriage and family life.
With apologies for the long post, but I did think it only fair to clarify what happened, and why it happened the way it did happen, from the point of view of the Catholic Church. Obviously, that does not mean I expect everyone to agree with what happened, or approve it. Honest disagreement and disapproval is sounder the more it is based on a proper knowledge of the facts, a point which I think the owner of this site has always been committed to, and exemplary in pursuing. I don’t think the Catholic authorities acted wrongly here – in fact, within their own premises they could not have acted otherwise, or if they had done so it would have been unjust. Those who are free to marry, within the strictures imposed by Catholic canon law, have a right to do so: the clergy do not have any ultimate right to ignore or suppress that right.
Much more dubious, in my personal view, was the way in which Tony Blair was received into the Catholic Church. Although he was not by then PM, the question may be posed as to how much of Catholic faith he really adhered to at the moment of his reception; and whether, if he had not been such a VIP but just ordinary Joe Bloggs, he would have been received at all. Usually, the person coming into the Catholic Church from outside her is faced with an ‘all or nothing’ choice: either he/she takes the whole package, because he believes the whole package, and joins – or else he/she goes elsewhere or remains where they were before. It’s not a supermarket.
Paradoxically, for those born and baptised as infants into the Catholic faith, the situation is rather different. it is accepted that they will have to grow in their understanding of their faith, and that this won’t happen all at once. It will be a gradual acquisition, some getting more of it faster, others less so. They will remain Catholics all their lives, however, unless they formally and publicly renounce their Catholicism. As noted above, this presumably did not happen with Boris Johnson. Simple ‘drift’ – and he obviously did plenty of that – is not considered the same thing as formal apostasy.
Once again, with apologies. The intention of this post is simply to inform – I am not trying to convince anyone who, for good and pretty obvious reasons, doesn’t agree etc. Being well informed will actually help to make whatever disagreement is expressed more reasonable, and therefore sounder in every respect.
may I recommend Iain Lawsons blog to one and all, Yours for Scotland has a superb video about steel closures in the 80’s and also a superb letter from a lady who has left the financial mess of the SNP.
Did you all see Joe Biden letching on a nine year old girl the other day? Weird. I wonder why Sturgeon the Great “emancipater” supports him
Steel closures in the 80s? I’m so behind the curve
Don. You are defeated. All you’ve got are insults and Government websites. Wanker
Ruby. I know what Dr Kerr said in the past. There’s still hope but not for you I fear. Why do you think you speak for people on here? A bit of a busybody?
Just to add, in order to assure Effigy @ 10.40 pm, that the day-before-yesterday’s wedding does not change the status of any of Boris Johnson’s children, or make them illegitimate. I am sure you will agree with me, at least in retrospect, that emotive language in regard to anyone’s children really ought to be avoided.
One further addition might be worthwhile in regard to my previous post: these are legal matters, and law is often, of its nature, rather complicated. It should not be presumed that most Catholics are necessarily aware of all the ins and outs of the legislation of the Catholic Church concerning marriage. The same as most people have only a vague understanding of the civil law of their country. We only consult about these things when we have to – and that usually means when something has gone wrong. It is only at that point that anyone goes to a lawyer to find out what the situation is, and what can be done about it.
No doubt this was the same for Carrie and Boris Johnson, in particular when they thought about regularising their marriage situation. Maybe this was especially important for Carrie, for whom her faith may be important (not that I know anything about the inside story).
Whatever we think about other people’s politics, we have to acknowledge that they are fellow human beings who have a conscience, and that their consciences may touch on many things beyond purely political matters. For the same reason, those newspaper articles which treated the wedding as a purely political event – as if Johnson organised this simply and solely to ‘bury bad news’, as one of them claimed – are ridiculous, and laughable, in the extreme. But also destructive and dangerous: even politicians have souls, and if you don’t believe in souls, at least say they have a personal life and personal concerns as well. We are not living in a one-dimensional world and neither, in the end, are they.
Even if politics does take up an inordinate amount of their time (and the same for some of us) it isn’t the be-all and end-all of everything. Thankfully!
“Pandemic” hahahahaha haha. Poor Ruby. Still buying that shit hen?
@wull
The requirements from the Catholic Church to marry a catholic with somebody from the Church of England are very few. The only real requirements are that the partner from the CoE had been baptised (in the CoE), to formally declare they are not already married and that they accept that their catholic partner will continue as catholic if they so wish and any children from the marriage will be brought up as catholic if the catholic partner so wishes.
I speak from experience. I was brought up as a catholic and married somebody from the CoE. The only requirement was for him to present the certificate of his baptism, to present a formal declaration (signed by a lawyer) that he was not married to somebody else already (the catholic church does not recognise divorces from couples married in a church) and to sign a statement that he would accept me to continue as catholic and our children to be baptised and brought up in the catholic faith if I so wished.
It had to be a lawyer because he was not in any registry of the catholic church that they could check by themselves that he was not married. We also needed a signed declaration from somebody of standing in the city to say that there was no reason why we could not marry (the provost did this and at the time joked that he could not understand how the church had given him such an enormous power to decide if we could marry or not). Then we had to attend some pre-marriage counselling sessions (by a priest!!). And that was it.
The CoE and the Catholic Church are much more closer than anybody thinks. They are both Christian, therefore the marriage is interchurch, not interfaith.
The real sticky point here for Johnson is his previous marriages. If his previous marriages were only civil and not in a church, he will be fine. But if any of his previous two marriages were in a catholic church, he would have not been able to marry in the church unless those were annulled first. But having children from both marriages, I am not sure how on earth they would have been able to make it stick.
What I do not know is if the catholic church recognises marriages taken place in the CoE in the same way they recognise a baptism taken place in the CoE as valid.
I have not been able to find information about this, as it never was my case. The catholic church does not recognise divorces, so unless Johnson’s previous two marriages were only civil ceremonies, if the catholic church recognises a marriage in the CoE in the same way as they recognise the baptism in the CoE, then in true honesty, I do not know how they managed to get married without bending the rules to breaking point.
The key points here is to find out if Johnson’s previous marriages were only civil or if they took place in a church (catholic or CoE), and if the catholic church recognises a marriage in the CoE as a permanent marriage like they do to a marriage in a catholic church.
Anybody knows this?
Pixywine says:
31 May, 2021 at 8:13 am
Steel closures in the 80s? I’m so behind the curve
I haven’t watched, but I’ll bet this is about Ravenscraig and the huge betrayals that surrounded it.
Not just the steelworks that was meant to support a vibrant oil support industry and integrated shipbuilding industry, which might now have been manufacturing renewable heavy plant and support industries… the whole wider development of Motherwell as an industrial transfer node, with its own Eurostar Freight Terminal taking Scottish steel and Industrial produce to Europe.
The parallels and heart breaking contrasts between an Independent Norway and a Subjugated Scotland just keep coming don’t they?
All vibrant on the drawing board, long enough to get the Eurostar and Channel tunnel up a running, but never built all the way to Scotland of course, once the South of England and the Midlands had what they wanted. You know, “priorities”.
The only reason Mallaig has a railway was for getting fish to London. (Railways creating demand for more steel of course), That’s what Scottish Infrastructure actually means to Westminster. They’ve been exploiting Scotland for decades and calling it a “Union”, and despising us for our “grievance and subsidy culture” whenever Scotland raises any objection.
Westminster Governments actually destroy the chances for Scotland to integrate its transport infrastructure and manufacturing industries, because an integrated Scottish economy would thrive and succeed, and reveal to Scotland what a burdensome and unnecessary handicap it is for Scotland to suffer the unnecessary appendage of Westminster’s insatiable exploitation.
This really does NOT boil down to Westminster building a couple of warships every now and again and calling it the Scottish shipbuilding industry. The “Scottish Shipbuilding industry” would have been a thriving symbiosis with Scotland’s Steel Industry, Scotland’s Oil and support vessels industry, Scottish Fishing and Ferries Industry (with Euro Ports and Scottish EU routes), Scotland’s burgeoning Renewables Industry, and maybe a dozen more Queensferry Crossings.
Scotland’s problem was being denied inward investment when it mattered, because as Boris Johnson aptly revealed, the Westminster philosophy has always been that a £1 spent in Croydon is worth more than £1 spent in Strathclyde…
You YES yet? 😉
Good post, Breeks, as always. Much appreciated.
Isn’t it fascinating that when you take the time to post statements from official groups and experts that contradict the ‘you are all fucking conspiracy theorists’ types it goes very quiet?
If the SNP believes in openness and transparency, it’s very simple – open the books for inspection.
I cannot see many donating while this problem remains unresolved,
I have decided to put my tin foil hat on today. Because, why not?
What if what we see is just a spectacular load of bllcks to deflect from what is going on? Cummings shenanigans, the revelation of the queen’s grandson getting a contract for PPE when he did not even have the medical company yet, the ongoing inquiry of Cameron, the totally unacceptable interference of William and Gordon Brown in Scotland’s political affairs to stop independence, Johnson’s flat decoration and tory donor’s sponsored holiday with Simonds investigations, and the revolt that this new Australian trade deal is going to cause among farmers in the UK and the damage it is going to do to the support for the union in Wales, NI and Scotland, etc. What if in reality Johnson and Simonds’ controversial marriage in a catholic church is part of a fabricated political distracting exercise? How do they call it, a dead cat?
If the Catholic church recognises marriages in the CoE as permanent, like they recognise catholic marriages, then Johnson claiming he was not married would be sufficient grounds for an annulment to be sought. Taking my own case as an example (please see my comment above), if the catholic church did not recognise CoE marriages, I do not see why they would have demanded from my partner a legal declaration that he was not married to somebody else.
I mean, the time when the British establishment’s credibility is going down in flames due to the astonishing levels of exposed corruption and direct interference by the royal family members in political matters they should have never got anywhere near close to, does not seem the wisest choice to abandon the sinking ship to go off on honeymoon jolly. Unless of course you are doing it to be out of the way until the fire from burning “Rome” has being put out by somebody else. If Johnson is on honeymoon leave, who is going to sack Handcock? Maybe the idea is that when Johnson returns from the honeymoon another scandal has happened and Hancock’s shenanigans have already been forgotten.
Thinking about it, as a distracting exercise this controversial catholic wedding seems ideal:
1. the controversy of a British Pm marrying in a catholic church is going to generate discomfort in certain quarters
2. a twice divorcee marrying in a catholic church is going to create discomfort (division) in other quarters
3. it offers the opportunity of an annulment in the pipeline and further controversy of the annulment if the marriage took place on unsolid grounds. They could of course deploy the annulment at the best possible time of their choice, let’s say, when some other royal crosses some line it was not theirs to cross?
The timing of this marriage and the totally unnecessary controversy of taking place in a catholic church are very suspicious.
What are the odds that we will soon have the announcement of Carrie’s second pregnancy?
@Breeks – As well as Ravenscraig, Motherwell Bridge were one of the most respected companies of their type in the world. They invented the continuously welded circular steel hollow sections made from steel plate.
These are used worldwide now for platform legs, wind-turbine legs and so-on. A great invention and business opportunity needlessly sold-down the river.
Pixywine . J.o.e . Breastplate . Ian B
I strongly recommend not wasting a second of your time engaging with Nod .
Either through a desire to keep up the fear narrative for reasons we can guess at or because he lacks any capacity for independent thought – merely churning out * Official * bollocks ad nauseam – or more likely both , mangling what others have said that contradict the * Official * narrative/s and just generally being a harmless but annoyingly persistent irritant , bit like a sweat rash .
Moving along …..wonder what pus will ooze from the suppurating boil that is New SNP HQ today .
Seems like every day is a deaf, dumb and blind school day with our wunnerful , carin’ sharin’ Masters of Puppets
Captain Yossarian says:
31 May, 2021 at 9:41 am
@Breeks – As well as Ravenscraig, Motherwell Bridge were one of the most respected companies of their type in the world. They invented the continuously welded circular steel hollow sections made from steel plate.
These are used worldwide now for platform legs, wind-turbine legs and so-on. A great invention and business opportunity needlessly sold-down the river.
I believe the Dalzell Plate Mill also had the longest rolling capacity in Europe. I’m not an expert in steel working, but I think that meant they could produce larger components, bigger plates, and longer length beams etc than anywhere else.
And of course, the quality of the steel produced was literally, second to none.
But Scotland needed investment, and Westminster’s philosophy towards Scotland is maximum out for minimum in.
Mia @ 8.45, a lot of what you say in your post – for which many thanks – is absolutely correct. However, there is one thing missing: if a Catholic marries an Anglican (or any other Christian for that matter) in an Anglican Church (or in whatever church is of that other Christian) WITHOUT THE FORMAL PERMISSION OF THE COMPETENT CATHOLIC AUTHORITY (ultimately, that means the Catholic Bishop of the diocese where the wedding is taking place), then it is not a valid marriage for the Catholic Church, and no sacrament of marriage has either been conferred or received.
That means that that marriage, which is of course recognised in civil law, is not recognised in Church law (i.e. Catholic Church law). That means that the Catholic partner to that marriage is still considered an unmarried person by the Catholic Church. In terms of Church Law (that is canonically, according to Catholic canon law) he/she is therefore still free to marry whoever they want to marry, provided that person also wants to marry them and is free to do so etc.
Of course, the Catholic Church recognises the civil law, and has no desire to come into conflict with it. The Church won’t permit the person in such a situation to enter a union that would be bigamous in civil law. If the person wants to marry someone else in Church, the Church will not allow him or her to do so until he/she has a civil divorce, at which point that person is also considered free to marry in civil law. Therefore, no problem arises.
A marriage carried out by the Anglican Church between two Anglicans 9a man and a woman, of course!), both of whom were free to marry (for instance, by not having been married before, or being widow and widower etc.), is regarded by the Catholic Church as a valid marriage and indeed a sacrament. As far as its sacramental status is concerned, it’s exactly the same as a marriage between Catholics carried out within the rules of the Catholic Church, and witnessed and approved by her (usually in the person of a Catholic priest).
In Boris Johnson’s case what almost certainly happened is this: he never formally renounced his Catholic faith, but acted as if he was an Anglican, and got married in the Anglican Church. Yet, in fact, in the eyes of the Catholic Church, he was still a Catholic. And, when he married his (original / i.e. first) Anglican wife, he HAD NO OFFICIAL PERMISSION FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH to do so. Such permissions exist in a formal document, usually signed by the Bishop or whoever he delegates for that task, and the record is kept. When he married in the Anglican Church, therefore, he was in fact a Catholic who had no permission to do so, and his marriage to his first wife therefore was never recognised by the Catholic Church. And indeed, according to the Catholic Church, because he didn’t follow the rules (technically a ‘defect in form’), the sacrament did not happen. For Catholics to receive (or give the sacrament – for the couple confer the sacrament of marriage on each other) the form must be according to the rules (canons) of the Catholic Church.
You could say that (being a rogue! I am joking … but only somewhat) Boris Johnson was a ‘rogue bridegroom’ at his first marriage, at least in the eyes of the Church to which he actually still belonged – the Catholic Church, which he had never formally renounced! Actually, the Catholic Church would probably have been completely unaware of what he was doing, (i.e of the fact that he was marrying this Anglican lady), since he had probably had no more direct contact with the Catholic Church, ever since his Eton schoolboy days.
The upshot of all this is that – almost certainly without knowing it – in terms of the Catholic Church, he actually remained a Catholic who had never married. The same, presumably, with his second marriage. For most of his adult life, he has in fact been a Catholic (a ‘drifter Catholic’, o lapsed (fallen away) if you want, but a Catholic all the same) who has never actually entered into any marriage approved by the Catholic Church. He was therefore still free to marry in the Catholic Church when he hitched up with Carrie, who also happens to be Catholic and who was in the same position – also free to marry because she was a Catholic who had never yet entered into a marriage union agreed or approved by the Catholic Church.
So, that’s what happened at Westminster Cathedral on Saturday – two Catholics, a man and a woman, who were both free to marry, entered into what – in Catholic eyes – is their very first real marriage, and it is a sacrament.
I can understand that what seems unfair about this is that a roguish character, like Johnson, seems to get away with it, on account of not having gone through the Catholic procedures in the way that he ought to have done in the first place. Whereas, other people who did go through the proper procedures, might find themselves stuck, for instance if the marriage they entered WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH’S OFFICIAL PERMISSION comes apart, they get divorced and later they want to marry again – but they can’t, not in the Catholic Church at least, because they already have a Catholic marriage and their partner to that marriage (no matter whether that partner is a Catholic, or an Anglican or some other Protestant or even someone else altogether) is still alive. If they had done as the young Johnson had done, and not bothered to get the necessary Catholic permissions, they would still be regarded as unmarried and would therefore still be free to marry in the Catholic Church! But, because they did the thing properly, and knowingly entered into a binding marriage agreement with their partner and were married in a way that was approved (and officially witnessed) by the Catholic Church, they can’t get married again in a Catholic marriage or in a Catholic church while their partner in that marriage is still alive (unless they manage to get their original marriage annulled, which is rare, and another question altogether).
Ina actual fact, I suppose it can be said that Boris Johnson, and indeed Carrie, have benefited from Boris’s previous irresponsibility in regard to his obligations towards marriage as a Catholic. On the other hand, now – at long last, and no doubt under her (Carrie’s) influence – he is now finally doing things properly. I hope he manages it this time, and wish him and her well in terms of their marriage, which is now a real one, in the eyes of the Catholic Church – for both of them, for the very first time!
If Boris had first married a Catholic, in the Catholic Church and in a way that the Catholic Church approves (thus fulfilling the necessary ‘form’ which is required of Catholics), he and Carrie could not have got married at Westminster Cathedral on Saturday. If he had really and truly, formally and explicitly become an Anglican – instead of just drifting around in it – and then entered into an Anglican marriage, I think the Catholic Church would have recognised that Anglican marriage as a sacrament and, once again, it would have been impossible for her to approve Saturday’s wedding, or hold it at Westminster Cathedral.
It is because Boris Johnson never really became an Anglican, not formally and not truly (and he may have been asked to testify to that effect), that he was able to marry Carrie in the Catholic Church.
It is quite a story, really. Some will see it as confirmation of his status as a chancer, or even an imposter (all that time pretending to be an Anglican when, in fact, it wasn’t really true), and also as a greasy pole climber (well, a politician, after all… with ever an eye to the main chance)! On the other hand, as a man with an ever an eye on the ladies as well, the ‘human interest’ part of the story might be that Carrie – whose faith seems to matter to her (whatever you think of her politics etc.) – got him there!
Mia, while I agree with you that the Anglican Church is often very close to the Catholic Church (yet not quite the same), these considerations (from the catholic point of view) are not really and not primarily about how far or near to the Catholic Church is to another church (the one to whim the non-Catholic partner in the marriage belongs). They are about baptism, and its effects. It is really quite an intriguing subject – at least for those who are interested. Which, I suppose, many readers on this site are not – so I should probably stop here (although of course everyone is welcome, and free, to scroll past…).
Mind you, it used to be that Scots of all stripes were always interested in having a theological argument – anything for a good barney – even if they were atheists. So, maybe this stuff will be of interest to someone or other, besides you and I. And the owner of the site is a Rev, after all.
Instead of pontificating fatuously about the supposedly political nature of Saturday evening’s event at Westminster Cathedral, the newspapers could have had some rare headlines instead. A missed opportunity for them, if you ask me. For instance: ROGUE CATHOLIC MEETS MATCH: CARRIE TIES BORIS IN KNOT!
Small reminder & example why it’s so important to archive everything. The first link in this short article has now gone. link to wingsoverscotland.com
These religious types with the imaginary friend are all very serious….
Hello again, Daisy. I had not seen your post @ 9.18 when I posted mine @ 10.09. I must have been busy writing mine while you were busy writing, and posting, yours (well in advance of me).
I see where you are coming from, and while respecting your view, can’t really agree with it, especially in regard to the motivation for the marriage. Politicians certainly do find ways to distract the public, bury bad news when it turns up – especially in a flood of the stuff, as has happened so suddenly over the past few days and as you so correctly lay out – but this wedding, including the date for it, could not have been arranged so quickly or simply on the hoof, as if it was a mere reaction to all these other things.
That is really not viable or credible. Something like such a wedding (especially given its complex circumstances) cannot be arranged overnight, or within a week, or even a month. It takes loner than that. Even if it may in fact seem to be coming in handy for Johnson, apparently happening to fall nicely for him (but does it really?), that is surely accidental and purely coincidental, rather than actually planned. It won’t be handy for him for very long anyway – opening, as it does, several other cans of worms for him.
re. The demise of industries in Scotland under London Rule.
Open two tabs, in one search “Scotland ship building” and select the images filter, then do the same in the second tab for “Norway ship building”.
See if you can spot the difference. Clue, those using a black and white screen may miss the point. 😉
Mia, what I wrote above is probably all too complicated, though it is certainly correct.
To put it more simply, let me try, as follows:
i) Yes the Catholic Church accepts catholic marriages (including any marriage of a Catholic carried out with the permission of the relevant and competent Catholic authority.
ii) Yes, the Catholic Church accepts most Anglican marriages carried out in an Anglican Church as valid, but not absolutely or in every case – it is only so long as certain conditions are fulfilled, in accordance with Catholic teaching and/or discipline.
iii) Yes, the Catholic Church can (and often does) fully accept and recognise a marriage between a Catholic and an Anglican, as in your case, even sometimes when the marriage vows are exchanged in an Anglican Church if that has been agreed (so long as there is an official Catholic witness, usually the Catholic priest present as witness, besides the Anglican priest), but ONLY WHEN THE NECESSARY PERMISSIONS HAVE BEEN GRANTED BY THE COMPETENT CATHOLIC AUTHORITY (as no doubt happened in your case, even if you were not entirely aware of it – the papers your husband had to sign etc. would have been forwarded accordingly, and the permission granted).
However,
iv) If a Catholic gets married in an Anglican Church, WITHOUT THE EXOLICIT PERMISSION OF THE COMPETENT CATHOLIC AUTHORITY, even with an Anglican marriage ceremony, then that marriage is NOT valid in the eyes of the Catholic Church, and NOt a sacrament. It lacks the form required of Catholics for them to enter into a valid, Church-approved (i.e. approved-by-the-Catholic-Church) marriage. That is the first ‘No’ after the three initial ‘Yesses’. Now for the second ‘No’:
Therefore,
v) In the case of (iv) above, the Catholic partner has not entered into a valid marriage, and the union he is engaged in is NOT recognised to be such (i.e. NOT recognised by the Church as a valid marriage). It has NOT been validly celebrated. Therefore, NO ANNULMENT IS EITHER NEEDED OR EVEN POSSIBLE TO BRING THAT SUPPOSED MARRIAGE TO AN END. Basically, you can’t bring to an end something that does not exist. No Church-recognised union (and certainly no sacrament of marriage) exists in this case, and therefore there is nothing to annul.
You can only annul something that is believed to exist in reality, and seems, indeed, to do so. The annulment is about establishing whether or not both parties did in fact consent to the conditions of the marriage, as set out by the Church, when they entered into it. One of them may, even unwittingly and unconsciously have excluded something that belongs to the essence of the sacrament and of the contract. For instance, if one lacked the intention of fidelity, or some other essential condition, at the time of making the vows. The person may have seemed to commit to fidelity, but did not in fact do so – but if he didn’t, you have to provide evidence to prove that he didn’t. (You might think of the marriage of Prince Charles to Diana in this context … Just a thought … What was really going on?). If an essential condition was lacking in one of the partners, even without realising it, then, despite appearances at the time of the ceremony in the Church, the contract did not really take place and the sacrament was not really conferred. Therefore, so long as the procedures are properly followed, the marriage can be declared null.
This is of little interest to most people. But it would indeed be a scandal if on Saturday evening the Church was not following her own law, and the justice required by it. The rule of law is important internally for the Church and those who govern her (bishops, priests and so on), just as it ought to be for politicians in power with regard to the civil law. The rule of law is an all-important issue in any civilised society.
@ wull
YOu are absolutely right. We needed the go ahead by the bishop of the district. I had forgotten about that part.
Re your iii
Not only the catholic church recognises the marriage, it actually celebrated it itself. It would be bonkers if a catholic church did not recognised a marriage that it is celebrating itself.
Re your iv and v.
Sorry, I am not convinced. Why? because if without the prior consent of the catholic authority the marriage in an anglican church cannot be recognised, in the same way, without the prior consent of the catholic authority, the baptism in an anglican church would not be accepted as valid either. My husband’s baptism was never questioned by the catholic church. They were perfectly happy with his baptism . As a matter of fact, the difficulty they were experiencing was with my own, because I was baptised in a catholic church that years after burnt down in a fire and they were unable to track my record.
As I said above, my husband had to provide a signed affidavit countersigned by a lawyer to prove he was not married. And that was fundamental for the marriage to go ahead. If it was just a matter of having being married in a catholic church or with the consent of a catholic authority in an anglican church, they would have been able to find out that information by themselves.
Sorry, but I am not convinced at all that Johnson fulfilled all the requirements (demanded from everybody else) to legitimately marry in a catholic church after marrying in an anglican church, being divorced twice and with children from every marriage plus outwith his marriages. I wonder how many brown envelopes and promises to somebody high up in the catholic church were made for this marriage to be allowed to go ahead.
Wull and Mia
No matter what all the ins and outs of Catholics and Anglicans and such as oor wee Boris who is irrelevant in this , wait till “Charlie boy” puts the whole sorry mess of religion into the political and constitutional foray when he becomes King! He doesn’t meet the “godfather” in Rome many times over the last few decades for nowt! He(Charles) wants to be “defender of faiths”! not “THE FAITH”
The Acts of Settlement OF 1701 and thus the first two articles of the sorry Act of Union will be in peril.
In terms of being King and Queen, Charlie and Camilla have the same predicament according to the archaic, outdated and bigoted Act of Settlement of 1701.In this day and age it won’t hold-same as Act of Union.
Watch this space.
It will be fun at Ibrox. lol .
“But it would indeed be a scandal if on Saturday evening the Church was not following her own law”
Not like it would be the first time. I know more than one case where wealthy people somewhat managed to get an “annulment” after being married for years. It is always wealthy people with convenient connections, though.
“Alex Salmond warns the Queen to keep out of independence debate”
K. Nutt, The National, 31 May, 2021
“Alex Salmond launches international chapter of Alba Party”
STV News, [online], 29 May 2021,
Mr Salmond is overtaking Sturgeon, her totally corrupt, uncommitted to independence and procrastinating arse in the highway of Scotland’s pro indy politics.
The woman is useless as a pro indy leader. Mr Salmond has been the leader of a brand new pro indy party for less than 3 months, a party that has been brought up from scratch from the ground up against an unbelievably hostile environment and engineered , and yet he has done already those two things while Sturgeon’s procrastinating arse continues after 6.5 years of timewasting, to debate if it should be listening to the procrastinating waffle of its right cheek or that emanating from the left one.
There is no wonder the British state threw all its weight behind protecting her and stopping Mr Salmond returning to front line politics. With Mr Salmond active, it is only too obvious just how useless Sturgeon is as a pro indy leader, how little intention she has to progress Scotland’s autonomy and to protect it from direct unwanted and unlawful interference from the elements of the British state. Her silence of the latest disgraceful undemocratic interference of 2 self-entitled and unelected individuals, Brown and William, in Scotland’s political business, tells you all what you need to know about where her loyalties lie.
I am even more convinced today than I was on 7th May 2021 that we were robbed the election. Never mind about the SNP “waving through the accounts” the 600,000k donated for pro indy campaigning and refusing to show the books even to their own Treasurer. Despite asking several times, nobody has yet come forward with either an official, trustworthy exit poll, a convincing explanation for the delay in the ballots counting or a continuous CCTV footage that records the ballot boxes from 9:30 am on the voting day to the moment they were handed over to the counters an that prove they were not tampered with or swapped for “more convenient” ones.
I am still waiting.
Mia – Zzzzzzz
Stoker,
Good spot, though it’s entirely possible there is no ill intent here.
Record management policies for every company I have worked for require documents to be retained for a minimum of 7 years & can then be destroyed.
Assuming that the Scottish Government have a similar policy that document would be nearly 8 years old now & within their legal right to dispose off.
link to washingtonpost.com
The true story of how a happy, cohesive inner-city community came together to improve their lives, only to lose a sense of democracy and end up emulating the current perilous state of the SNP.
‘Altering Society’: link to wp.me
Helps if I post the correct link!!!
‘Altering Society’ link to wp.me
Alec Lomax says:
“Zzzzzzz”
Do the matters related to the “waving through the accounts” of the 600,000k send you to sleep too or is just the mentioning of the British state what brings up in you such irresistible urge for a nap?
Mia . Forget about The War of Jenkin’s Ear we need to win the War of Sturgeon’s Procrastinating Arse .
You’re right of course , the complete silence from that quarter re the latest interference in our affairs by Prince Billy and Golden Broon tells us everything we need to know . Not that we didn’t know it before
Mia says:
31 May, 2021 at 1:35 pm
Alec Lomax says:
“Zzzzzzz”
Lomax is a Sturgeon fan Mia.
“Zzzzzz” is the sound you hear when you’ve got your fingers stuck in your ears and your eyes screwed shut.
Breeks says:
31 May, 2021 at 2:12 pm
Mia says:
31 May, 2021 at 1:35 pm
Alec Lomax says:
“Zzzzzzz”
Lomax is a Sturgeon fan Mia.
“Zzzzzz” is the sound you hear when you’ve got your fingers stuck in your ears and your eyes screwed shut.
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A kinda updated “if we close our eyes and ears and wheesht it’ll go away”….
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Anyway back to the reality of everyday life…
“From Dundee , IC 3355 is not observable, since you live so far north that the summer sky is too bright for it to be visible at any time…”
so far north!! Whit!!!
Interesting article from Lesley Riddoch ,
“ Independence: Does Sturgeon have the guts to make changes in the SNP, even if it means telling her husband that it’s time to move on? “
link to archive.ph
I think the sinking school now has the attention of the Secretary of State for Scotland. Not before time.
Anyone other than the kindergarten-cops of Holyrood who find anything beyond filling-in their monthly expenses claim form too complex.
One of the engineers who checked it is retired and lives on a farm near me. He’s one of the best there is, don’t worry about that.
It usually takes someone like him a a day or two to do a check and he has had 8-weeks already and so something is wrong. I suspect John Swinney wants to redact it and the engineer has refused; it will be something like that.
I’ve never met this guy and so I don’t know what he has said. My guess?: “How did you all manage to get this so wrong….are you all daft or something….can you not just listen….you were all told this would happen, weren’t you”.
I just hope he has a sense of humour.
“Does Sturgeon have the guts to make changes in the SNP, even if it means telling her husband that it’s time to move on? “
Never mind guts to act as a leader and sack Murrell. The question here is if she was directly responsible for the changes the SNP experienced under her watch or it was simply a matter for her to act as a push over and let them happen without offering resistance.
After watching FOUR people having to resign because they were set to fail by being denied access to the party books and the information required to do their work, and watching how incredibly quickly Colin B was catapulted back through the back door as treasurer to stop the burden of liability falling on Sturgeon herself (goodness, that must be some burden for her to be so quick to dispatch it down the chain), I think we know the answer to that question.
Without a national treasurer, it was Sturgeon’s greatest opportunity to take over and open those darn books for once and for all to quash the rumours about the “woven” 600,000k.
Instead of embracing the opportunity, she chose to bypass the threat by chucking that opportunity in the bin, even quicker than she chucked our previous democratic mandates in the bin, and quickly bring in another useful idiot to sit on the books to keep them closed and to protect her own arse of any direct liability or risk of lack of transparency while the first of her praetorian guards springs to action by attempting to smear the previous Treasurer.
Sturgeon’s SNP already had the biggest share of Holyrood seats from 2016 to 2021. It also already had the mandate for indyref, a mandate that Sturgeon chose to let expire. At all practical effects, NOTHING, has changed. They did not see the need for a formal coalition with the greens for the last 5 years. So why do they see this need now when they do not have less seats, but rather an extra seat?
a) Is it because they want to use the Greens as a shield to hide behind while they push forward toxic policies that might threat Women’s and children’s rights, juries and to blame the Greens of any future delays of indyref and any future hindrance of independence?
b) Is it because conscious of the perception of corruption the electorate has of Sturgeon, her SNP executive and NEC, they need somebody else’s credibility in government to whitewash their lost one?
c) Or is it because they suspect within the next 5 years an equivalent number of MSPs to the current Green ones might defect to ALBA and are anticipating that situation?
Time will tell.
It appears Rhiannon Spear has been caught sending anonymous abusive messages….to herself, for the woe-is-me misogyny sympathy vote (allegedly of course, I’m sure coincidences happen)
link to twitter.com
Mia, by the way, I agree with you that the ‘count’ was not according to international standards, and therefore highly dubious. The high number of postal votes also raises questions.
With regard to the other issue, which might put Lomax to sleep for ever, at least in regard to this site (I suppose we might both be quit happy with that outcome), the difference between Johnson and your husband is that your husband was / (I trust still is, though the personal matters are no business of mine) a bona fide Anglican. There is the difference: Boris J never was. He may have masqueraded as an Anglican, but he wasn’t actually an Anglican at the time he married his first wife (and his second one too).
Instead, he was actually a Catholic marrying an Anglican in an Anglican Church, without any permission from the Catholic Church. That puts him in a completely different position from the one your husband was in, and indeed the one you yourself were in, when you married. Anglican weddings between two Anglicans who have never been married before are fully accepted by the Catholic Church, and presumed to be a sacrament. Actually, this is true when both partners are baptised, and in no way restricted to Anglicans marrying Anglicans, unless one of the partners is a baptised Catholic. At that point, the marriage only counts IF the Catholic partner has the official permission of the Catholic Church, as you had when you married your husband. Boris Johnson was not in that situation when he married either of his previous wives.
I also agree with you that there can be scandals over annulments, but it should not be presumed easily that this is because of brown envelopes being passed around or corruption amongst those who judge the case (i.e. those who judge whether or not the marriage was in fact null at the moment it was contracted). All these cases are fully documented, and if there was any such corruption a serious crime in Church law would have taken place and, once this is known, serious penalties would ensue. Anyone who knows such a case should certainly report it.
The scandal is really this, that better off people tend to know how to get what they want, and know how to inform themselves of how things work. They are therefore far more likely to ask about the annulment procedure, gather the information they need, and initiate proceedings for an annulment. Information about this tends not to be public knowledge, in part because it is pretty complicated stuff, but also maybe because the Church doesn’t really want annulments to be numerous and – maybe this is the crux of the matter – hasn’t got sufficient trained personnel resources to deal with them if such cases did in fact become many. It is usually a rather lengthy and complex legal procedure, which can sometimes take years.
That is not an excuse, and even if no one is being actively discriminated against, it is true that whenever there is a reasonable case for an annulment it should be equally possible for whoever is affected, to pursue the matter, should they wish to do. But not all do, and they can’t be forced into pursuing it if they don’t want to. Some start the procedure and then drop it, because it can mean digging up a lot of personal matter which people find intrusive, and would rather leave alone. This digging is not in order to apportion blame on anyone – annulments are not divorces, and they simply do not do that; there is no finding of fault – but just in order to establish whether or not the contract was fully and properly entered into when it was made, which is when the vows were publicly exchanged.
It can be a messy business. How do you prove ‘non-consummation’, for example, which is grounds for annulment (not only in Church law, but in civil law as well in most places, I think)?
Or, as another example, I mentioned the case of Charles and Diana: when Diana said there were three in the marriage from the beginning, meaning that the intention for fidelity was lacking on one of those getting married, then it is grounds for annulment. But you can’t just affirm it – you have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. And doing that is not necessarily such an easy matter.
Obviously, these are very personal things… With regard to the Johnsons I don’t think people should jump to ‘conspiracy theories’ too easily, or even at all. My reading of it would be that, whatever her politics, Carrie Johnson’s faith really matters to her, and she wanted her marriage to be regular in the eyes of the Church so that she could once again receive communion with a clear conscience. These are genuine religious matters, not politics as such. Legally, there was no obstacle to this, so long as Boris went along with what Carrie wanted and freely agreed to it which, as far as anyone can see, he did. Whether that was simply to please Carrie, which may on the surface of it seem likely, or out of some kind of genuine faith on his part, is something no one is in any position to judge, and certainly none of us on here.
I do not think it is right or helpful to presume that ill will is at work in every action of a political opponent, or of an institution one may not like for various reasons, whether good or bad. On the contrary, a presumption of good will (even if I think that person or institution is mistaken) is what makes civilised political discourse – including honest and honourable and worthy disagreement – possible.
I am also very sure that Alex Salmond, whom I consider the finest politician of his generation (and of my lifetime, therefore), would agree wholeheartedly with what I just said. he has in fact proved it in his actions, and attitudes, throughout his career, sometimes in circumstances which must have made it extremely difficult for him to do so, and I doff my hat to him for that.
Mia, if we disagree on bits of this, I am sure we do agree on my other things.
PS As you noted, the Catholic Church recognises any marriage involving a Catholic so long as she herself – the Catholic Church – endorses these marriages beforehand, and gives her official permission for them to go ahead before they are actually celebrated. When Boris Johnson, actually a Catholic (that’s the real news that was not in the public realm before – nobody knew!), entered into his previous two marriages, the Catholic Church was neither informed nor involved, and no such permission was ever given. If it had been, he would not have been able to marry Carrie on Saturday. Since his previous two marriages were not recognised by the Catholic Church and don’t count in Catholic canon law, he was free to marry her.
It might seem daft, or complicated, but it is logical in its own premises and that is the law of the Catholic Church. The priest could not actually refuse that marriage. Even if he had misgivings about it, he had no grounds on which to refuse it, and no right to do so. The Church doesn’t tell her members who to marry, or who not to marry – people must be free to make up their own minds about that, because freely choosing the partner 9and not being coerced into it) is one of the conditions of marriage, in Catholic canon law (as it is in civil law).
Wull
I think Sturgeon actively canvassed for postal voting SNP 1&2, knowing that the postal votes would be sent before it was pointed out that SNP list votes would be wasted.
I wonder how many postal voters were kicking themselves after Alba drew out this exact scenario.
Hi, robbo @ 11.45. I wonder if Prince Charles will ever actually become king, but if he did and if, as you rightly note, he means what he said in his youth about changing the Fid. Def. title the English monarch received (at the time Henry VIII, before his break with Rome, on account of the book he wrote on the 7 sacraments) from the Pope, by turning the ‘fid’ part of it into a plural – ‘defender of the faiths’ – I think many people would agree with that. What it would signal is that the monarchy was in favour of religious toleration.
That is not such an ‘unScottish idea’ as the Saturday afternoon hordes marching through Glasgow would like us to believe. In fact, it is the very idea that James VII promoted, and for which he was expelled, and the Stewart dynasty brought to an end by the not-so-Glorious English revolutionaries of 1689. James VII, as far as I know, was very aware of his Scottish origins, and of the religious situation in Scotland in his day – much more so than his father Charles I had been, and more so than his brother, Charles II, had been too.
And I think he was sincere. Since James was Catholic, by his own personal choice, and did not hide it, his opponents pretended that his desire to legalise all denominations and pass legislation in favour of religious toleration was intended to impose Catholicism on everyone, which was a lie. They used that lie to evict him. In my view, James was right: his was the obvious policy to enact at the time, and many subsequent problems arising not just in England but in the whole of what became the UK less than twenty years later, from that policy having been rejected.
As you note, robbo, these problems are still with us. I am not a fan of the monarchy, but I don’t mind acknowledging a good idea when I see one, no matter who or where it comes from. On this point, I think Prince Charles had a very good idea indeed. The government should uphold religious freedom, just as it should freedom of speech. Such freedoms, guaranteed for all citizens, are essential to Scotland’s future well-being, as are the values that go with them.
Even if Prince Charles never gets the chance to promote them, I fully expect that ALBA will. I am very confident that Alex Salmond, for one, has got the deepest personal commitment to them.
That’s my memory, too, Gordon @ 4.11. I am sure you are right. The whole postal vote thing is an enormous field for subverting proper democratic process. It needs to be seriously looked at.
@JSC
She’s almost, almost… as big a national embarrassment as the chief She/Her.
Her thread isn’t so much a car crash as a motorway pile up!
Proves the calibre of the ‘stars’ in the brave, newSNP is just gash.
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Joanna Cherry QC
@joannaccherry
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@theSNP
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“Catholic Church recognises any marriage involving a Catholic so long as she herself – the Catholic Church – endorses these marriages beforehand”
We will have to agree to disagree on this Wull to put it to rest because I am not convinced the Catholic church does not recognise as a marriage one that took place in another Christian church, in the same way it recognises, without previous endorsement, a baptism that took place in a Christian church even if not Catholic. Baptism and marriage are both sacraments.
For instance, one of my school friends wished to marry in the Catholic church to a Jewish lad. In order for the Church to agree to the marriage, the lad agreed to be baptised in a Christian church. What this tells us is that the Anglican church and the Catholic Church are very, very close.
I think it is best that we just leave it like that. You think the marriage was valid in the traditional catholic rules. I don’t, at least not by the rules that apply to the rest of us, the great unwashed.
“so long as Boris went along with what Carrie wanted”
I guess what you mean is as long as the Catholic church went along with what Carrie wanted. Wasn’t she an adulterer in the eyes of the church too? Wasn’t she seeing Johnson before he was divorced or his marriage annulled?
After watching this pantomime catholic marriage, boy, I am just glad I stopped practising Catholicism so many years ago. My own brother could no marry his long term partner in the catholic church because she is a divorcee while this buffoon married and divorced twice, with a collection of former mistresses larger than Sturgeon’s encyclopaedia of indyref mandates, just has to walk into a cathedral and can be married on demand. The hypocrisy of the Catholic church on this has been remarkable and will deservedly backfire on them.
You say the Catholic Church could not stop them marrying? Of course they could. They just did not want it. It is in the public domain that the man has been married twice, has children both in and outside marriages and has been a repeated adulterer. Carrie also started seeing him while he was still married. The Catholic church had plenty of grounds to not concede that marriage to take place in their church.
They would have no problems marrying in an Anglican church though, which recognises divorce since 2002. So this was in my view deliberately seeking controversy.
Is this a religious site now?
@Willie says:
31 May, 2021 at 5:27 pm
“Your Home Timeline
Joanna Cherry QC
@joannaccherry
17m
I’ve resigned from the NEC”
Pass the popcorn.
To be honest, it’s not really funny. The country is still trying to sort out the problems caused by COVID, and the last thing it needs is the party of government disintegrating.
Mia, I agree with you that we put it to rest, amicably and with complete respect for each other, (and also that we do not annoy the other posters and readers on here, who of course can in any case scroll past).
I also understand a) the hurt that many people brought up in the Catholic Church can often feel in regard to the Church, especially because of marriage issues, and b) the fact that the Church’s marriage law, developed over centuries, is in fact pretty complex and hard to follow, even for most members of the Church (who usually don’t bother about it anyway, unless something happens in their lives that brings them into contact with it), and even for some of the clergy.
It’s also, of course, – being marriage and the family and things we all hold dear – pretty emotional stuff for most people, whenever something does arise, and the principles that underlie the law governing these matters (which clergy are bound to follow, and can’t just ignore, or undermine) are not immediately obvious to most people. It’s mainly about marriage as a sacrament, and determining when in fact that sacrament was given, and therefore exists, and when it wasn’t, and doesn’t. In this case, the fact is that neither Boris Johnson nor Carrie Symonds had ever contracted a sacramental marriage, and they were therefore still free to do so. Really and truly, the clergy – whether bishops or priests or whatever – don’t have complete power over this.
The situation of two Catholics, a man and a woman, who are of age, and who are free to marry and wish to do so, is that whatever their past life may have been, the clergy don’t have a right to stop them from marrying and giving each other the sacrament of marriage in the Catholic Church if that is what they want to do. Their power, as clergy, is not absolute, and they are as bound by rights and duties, as defined in law, as anyone else in the Catholic community. They can’t just do what they like, or arbitrarily stop people from doing what they are entitled to do, all of which is defined in law. Of course, as clergy, they do have to check out that both partners understand what their obligations will be, and have a reasonable assurance that both do intend intend to fulfil these obligations.
If they don’t, and there is some serious defect in that intention at the time of making the marriage vows, and this can be proved to have been the case afterwards, then there will be grounds for annulment. The annulment does not depend on how long they have been married, or what happened years after the wedding, but what the intention was at the time it was celebrated. If they intended everything that was required, and were capable of fulfilling these intentions, then the sacrament was given and the Church herself has no power to break or annul that marriage. All this is argued out, and judgement given, in a court of law before any annulment can ever be given. And, obviously, the judgement explains the grounds on which the annulment has either been sustained, or fell. Due process is as important in an ecclesiastical court as it is, or ought to be, in a civil court, and there are rules governing all these things. It is not just people arbitrarily making things up, and doing whatever they like, as they go along.
But, as I said, following you – that’s enough on this, let’s put it to rest. If I continued it for too long, my apologies. On the other hand, maybe some other people also gained something from this little discussion, or learned from it, whichever side they took or are inclined towards. I hope so. I don’t think we disagreed on everything – not at all, far from it.
So. Mia, many thanks from me to you – also for your patience. Much appreciated.
Could Mia & Wull just please exchange email addresses, instead of hijacking the whole thread?
Scotland will only be truly independent when she becomes a republic. To create a fair and just society, everyone must be born equal.
Headlines on 6 o’ clock news – Joanna Cherry has resigned from the NEC as she is unable to do her job properly i.e uphold transparency and scrutiny.
It also said that another member of the NEC has also resigned – presume that is Douglas Chapman.
Does anyone think She/Her’s House of Cards is all going to come tumbling down in the not too distant future?
@Ruby says:
31 May, 2021 at 6:34 pm
“Does anyone think She/Her’s House of Cards is all going to come tumbling down in the not too distant future?”
I think someone has already done the “52 card pickup”.
Charles Hodgson says:
31 May, 2021 at 6:26 pm
Could Mia & Wull just please exchange email addresses, instead of hijacking the whole thread?
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What harm are they doing?
“it’s not really funny”
There is nothing even remotely funny in watching within the last 24 hours how the Treasurer of the party in power in Scotland
has to resign because he is not allowed access to the books to do his job. Regrettably, this comes after already another THREE professionally qualified individuals had previously resigned for the exact same reason months ago. Yet, nothing has been done to address the problem so the problem remains.
Astonishingly, during all this time the culprits ultimately responsible for those books not being made accessible to the Treasurer or the day, never mind the membership, remain in post and profiting from a nice salary.
Then we watch how an MP of the same party proceeds to release an ill advised statement attempting to remove importance and credibility from the ex treasurer himself. Yet, no tangible sign that this MP has done anything at all to facilitate those books or to remediate the situation in a way that would encourage this ex Treasurer to reconsider.
Next we watch how the leader of the party in power, that in absence of a treasurer becomes responsible herself for the books, almost falls over herself to dump the liability within hours on the closest useful idiot, one already responsible for setting the room alight with the now infamous expression regarding the woven through the accounts money, so now it feels we have just walked the whole circle back to starting point.
Now we watch one of the most efficient and highly regarded QCs in Scotland feeling she has to resign too from the same party structure because she has been set to fail and refused access to the information she requires to do her job.
I don’t see anybody laughing. What I see is more and more people wondering why on earth Sturgeon and Murrell are allowed to remain in post after condoning such astonishing level of incompetence, corruption and total lack of transparency within the SNP. What is it hat those books are hiding?
After the resignation of the Treasurer, Sturgeon herself had the opportunity to release those books and explain exactly in which account that ringfenced money is currently resting. She could have stopped all this controversy to continue to build on eating the credibility of the party from inside out. Instead, she chose to keep the controversy, dump the liability on the next available useful idiot faster than the light travels in space, presumably to protect herself.
I mean, when not even the leader of the party herself appears prepared to have the custody of those books for even one day, never mind releasing the content of those books, the situation does not do much to endorse the credibility of Oswald’s statement.
James, you certainly have my sympathy. Wings is is not, of course, a religious site as such, as Rev Stu Campbell will presumably confirm. But religion is not entirely irrelevant to it, either.
Whether we like it or not, religion is part of Scottish society, and religion (of all kinds) will still exist in an independent Scotland. It is one of many things that have to be thought about before and after Scotland does become independent. Mutual understanding, even when people disagree with each other, can’t be a bad thing. Toleration, neither. There are also issues of rights of conscience at work in all of this. Such rights are a religious issue, for and within most religions. But also a civil issue, one that is not uniquely religious – far from it – and it affects everyone, whether they believe in any given religion or not.
Given that certain rights of conscience seem to be under serious threat from the present Scottish administration, and that the exercise of them could result in prosecutions under the Hate Crime Bill, this may indeed have to be a matter of general concern.
The way we perceive and treat each other in a free and independent society has to be a matter of concern for Scotland’s future. Efforts to understand each other better, and to clear up what might be misperceptions, are surely worthwhile. Scottish society has had religious problems, some of them quite serious, and these are not all over yet. What are we going to do about them?
I am sure Alba must be thinking about this, of course among many other things, in a balanced and sane way. I certainly hope so. Scotland will need a written constitution, which will have to be fully respectful of authentic human rights, and very carefully and correctly phrased.
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It is becoming more apparent by the passing of each day that the tangled web which Nicola and Penfold Murrell sought te weave, is becoming so tangled as to spill forth like a burst Sebaceous cyst on YouTube.
In short, Sturgeon and Murrell may have tried to wipe their fingerprints off of all the evidence of political mentorcide and gerrymandering three pillars of Scottish civic society.
But it is becoming ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE NICOLA FERGUSON STURGEON AND PETER TISSÉ MURRELL WILL BE INTERVIEWED UNDER POLICE CAUTION.
The truth will out.
The incredible irony here is the corruption of Scots Law by Sturgeon, Yousaff, Waffle, Swinney through their introduction of the Orwellian Wokeist GRA et al., will likely end up with the Sturgeon McWokeists in jail before those the IndyKilling Trans lobby creeps jail more journalists.
Here is one of a growing number of whistleblowers. A true and brave Indy supporter …
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
“Could Mia & Wull just please exchange email addresses, instead of hijacking the whole thread?”
No.
For as long as we are not told by the Rev, who owns this site, that we cannot comment, Wull and I will continue our debates if we see it fit, thank you. It if bores the bejesus out of you, just jump over the comments like others do. Or even better, go ahead and set up your own blog so you can take pleasure in picking and choosing who comments.
It is our loss that the Rev may not be posting new articles at present, but as far as I know, he does not need the Spanish inquisition crew from the dug’s site, the censoring patrol from better together or the damage limitation undercover seals sent by Murray Foote to come and police the Rev’s own site.
Have a jolly good evening.
Ruby @6.34
No, I dont think it will come tumbling down. They have total control of information in Scotland and-if a fraction of what the Editor says is true- too many people whose positions would be-ahem-problematic if that were lost
For so long as the word National and the waving of a Saltire is enough to command a majority this laughable parody of an assembly will survive
Thank you, Ruby, and yes, I do agree with you that the Sturgeon House of Cards is all about to come tumbling down. A mental exercise (fantasy) therefore suggests itself, as follows. Imagine a Bute House made of cards; then, imagine all the cards disentangling themselves from each other, floating away in the air or dropping down into the muddy street; then, imagine the naked truth emerging from within that not-so-beautiful Bute House, as all its walls – exterior or interior – have disappeared. Oh NO! The fantasy has turned into a nightmare – that ‘naked truth’ bit is just too dreadful and ugly to behold.
And yes, Mia, I agree that the whole accounts fiasco all falls at Sturgeon’s door.
You may (but probably not) remember a ditty I posted called ‘The Irvine Weaver’ – no, rather, ‘The Dreghorn Weaver’, or something like that. There were lots more verses, but I don’t know where I put them, and fear to dig them up now. maybe it should just be called ‘The Inter-Weavers’, referring to both the Murrells.
When everything is interwoven, is it the case that you only need to remove one stitch and pull the loose thread, and the whole thing will unravel? A weaving analogy that fits quite well – despite mixing the metaphors – with the idea of a House of Cards coming tumbling down.
Yes, I do think we are very close to all the lies being exposed and the whole orchestrated piece of nonsense being made plain for all to see. And I do agree, Mia, that even with him being given only 1% of her publicity by the MSM that she gets, AS is already miles ahead of NS in terms of taking the initiative. Alba will soon be on the up.
With regard to wings a-flying, ALBA soars while SNP sinks.
link to archive.is
Who on earth is talking to the press.
Marco Baigi quits.
SNP source say
“Mr Biagi had been “ineffective” in his position on the independence taskforce and “had no idea what he was doing”.
Douglas Champman quit as treasurer.
SNP source say:
Mr Chapman was “malcontent” and “didn’t work well with the party leadership”.
They said: “He is one of these people who is generally malcontent about things. He has positioned himself within the party as someone who is anti-establishment, and someone who wants to take on the leadership.
“He was one of the first people many suspected would jump to the Alba party, which of course now would be a bit stupid seeing as they’re completely redundant.
“However many of those in the disgruntled faction of the party have now gone to Alba….Maybe he feels a bit lonely?”
“The way that HQ works is on a team approach, and so if your intention is to come in and knock down the door and cause a hoo-hah, it is not really conducive to a working relationship.”
@ Keith fae Leith on 31 May, 2021 at 12:50 pm
Hi Keith, just to clarify, i wasn’t pointing out any possible “ill content” on ScotGovs part. I was clearly making the point how important it is for folk to archive links or we run the risk of losing that link at some point in the future. And therefore not only lose valuable information but it tends to take away from the credibility of a post, tweet, article or whatever. Sorry for any confusion caused. It’s important to archive links to retain perfect records of events etc.
Well said, Mia, @ 6.57 pm. Fully agree!
Sorry, that should read “ill intent” and not “ill content”. DOH!
@ Charles Hodgson
I don’t reconise your name as being a particularly regular contributor to btl discourse. No harm in that as understand there will be many more lurkers than posters.
But here’s an idea to keep things active and interesting on here while Stu takes a break; why don’t you and a few lurkers chip in and add some input to stimulate the diversity of topics and conversations.
Stoker,
Good to hear, my reply wasn’t meant in a harsh, defensive or in any way aggressive manner. I find it tough to impart tone on an internet forum.
My intent was mainly to say that I’m not surprised that an aged document isn’t available, based on my experience.
Wholly agree that screenshots, archives & even hard copy prints are a necessity for those of us seeking truth, given how easily it can be misplaced, edited or redacted.
It’s a thumbs up form me.
@ Ruby at 7:07 pm
Re. Who’s talking to the press.
The use of the word “Malcontent”, and some of the other wording hints at Baffieman…
” For as long as we are not told by the Rev, who owns this site, that we cannot comment ”
Quite right .
Personally , I hold back a bit on commenting on, for example , the recent conversations re Covid , not wishing to clutter the thread with comments on a subject not directly connected with the * theme ” of the OP .
Whatever your perception/opinion on what’s going on with * all this * the fact that it’s N Sturgeon’s latest pretext for sidelining any serious pursuit of our goal means we should really subject the whole basis of this pretext to serious and continuous examination .
Finding it hard to see how the whole “accounts fiasco” falls on the murrells when there isn’t even a police file open on your missing £600K.
link to bbc.co.uk
Even John Swinney says he does not understand why the SNP national treasurer quit.
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Are you starting to GET IT?.
PS Cherry has apparently ejected herself.. ..I’m sure Swinny is scratching his head right now…
“The way that HQ works is on a team approach, and so if your intention is to come in and knock down the door and cause a hoo-hah, it is not really conducive to a working relationship.”
That is really an astonishing statement considering the way Sturgeon and Oswald themselves forced through the definition of transphobia and restablished Fiona whatshername back in the NEC despite being voted out by the members (The Scorched Earth, Rev Stuart Campbell, Feb 2021, Wings Over Scotland). Not much exemplary team work there.
So what is the message this “spokesperson” expects us to take home?that the only concept of Team that “HQ” recognises is that of “do as I say, not as you should”?
Who was the “spokesperson”? Murray Foote himself? Oswald? Spears? Fiona Robertson? Some Spad?
There is one thing missing here:
The dead tree press, the electoral commission, the rest of the Holyrood parties and the recently elected SNP MSPs demanding from Murrell to release the books.
So why aren’t they?
@ Keith fae Leith on 31 May, 2021 at 7:17 pm
No worries! No offence or anything negative taken. Quite the opposite in fact. I learned from your ‘7 years’ info and that only serves to reinforce the the need to archive everything. Thank you! (big thumbs up)
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Dear Nicola,
You thought you had killed off Wings Over Scotland.
Your pathetic “House Jock”, Sir Peter Wishart, Baron of Settled Down, newly elected SNP Speaker of the Four Nations Plalace of Wetminster was whining on his Twitter thread about Alex Salmond being finished too.
How wrong you both are.
I cannot tolerate even looking at Sturgeon, whilst the high pitched whine coming from the de-balled PishFart sets my dog a howling.
Fortunately Nicola, your House of Cards has already started to collapse.
Maybe best if you accepted that job offer to become UK Ambassador to Denmark so you can be nearer the poor actress from Borgen who regards you as a political stalker.
Whilst Stuart Campbell is on a well earned break, it falls to us at BTL to keep our fellow IndyRef2 supporters updated.
The latest crack to appear on that caked and overly made-up of visage of yours from over exposure on BBC Scottish Shortbread’s “Cooking Covid With Nicola” channel is this somewhat unwelcome news…
link to bbc.co.uk
Nicola, that Joanna Cherry is the one who helped drag Boris “I’m Bursting With Spunk” Johnson back to the House of Commons and forced the waster hack journalist of a prime minister to bring parliament back too. Something you, as a failed lawyer could never do. Nicola, you just don’t have the intellect nor political nous.
Bring on the popcorn. It’s spitroast party time at the McWoke SNP Bonfire of the insanities.
What was the New Labour anthem when those entitle Labour pricks thought they would be MPs forever (pishfart take note: the electors WILL sack and have you jailed if needed).
Aye, the New Labour song was “Things Can Only Get Better”
For NuLab they did get better. For seven years. Then NuLab became utterly unelectable for at least 20 years.
Sturgeon’s NuSNP are singing that same song. Whilst the big SNP battle busses are being repossessed as NuSNP go bankrupt.
@wee monkey – Police Scotland are no ordinary police force, mind-you, are they.
Some say they are a bit too close to the Murrells, Swinney, the alphabet women, James Wolffe and all the rest of it.
One question I would ask is: should it take Police Scotland 9-weeks to ascertain if a crime has been committed?….surely not.
Please excuse the language
I have just watched Swindler on the BBC telling a bare faced fkn lie
He wasnt avoiding the avoiding the question he just couldn’t give a fk Aye honest John hes in good company eh
Straight faced the only person in Scotland that hasn’t heard of police involvement in a case of missing money a crime has been committed the SNP management dont care and by the looks of it the police have been marked absent nothing to see
Thank Christ I dont contribute to these lying fkrs any more
Captain Yossarian says:
One question I would ask is: should it take Police Scotland 9-weeks to ascertain if a crime has been committed?….surely not.
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That is a good question.
You would think before the police spent any time/resources they would establish if a crime was committed.
It doesn’t seem to work like that anymore they seem to spend a lot of time finding out what is and isn’t a crime.
I would be interested to hear what other posters think the chances are of both Joanna Cherry and Douglas Chapman announcing that they’re joining Alba Party in a few weeks’ time. This second independence referendum does definitely need a push from someone who genuinely wants to achieve it.
@Freya
The nuSNP is a party of cozy devolutionists, career wokeists and lazy troughers bent on taking the tax paying electorate, and Yes supporters in particular, for a ride.
Anyone not wanting to attach themselves to such an organisation has a way out. It’s up to individuals whether they jump ship, but the more the merrier. I hope the two mentioned have the courage to do so.
Slightly O/T
Story just ran on the BritNat Brainwashing Channel’s 10pm propaganda bulletin, including the Police investigating the £600k.
Freya .
It’s hard to see any reason why JC would remain in the NSNP , given how she’s been treated and that she’s clearly at odds with the direction it’s taken – and those it’s not taken -it’s surprising she’s still there .
To answer your question ….I think it quite likely she will and that she would be a very significant addition to the Party . I really hope she does .
TBH I don’t know much about Douglas Chapman , though coincidentally , my wife met him a few years ago when he was in Barcelona for the Diada , he struck her as a decent guy : been some criticism of him here recently , but as I said don’t know much about him or whether he would be of value to ALBA if he was to join
Wull;
Thanks for your sympathy. Let’s start our independent country by separating church and state and sweep away the superstition and myth that is your imaginary ‘god’. Phoney baloney.
Practice whatever superstitions you want but away with the lot of you. As long as you and the 3% f Scots who go to church don’t continue telling everyone else what to do then that’s fine with me.
If the police don’t make any arrests in regard to the missing ring-fenced money then they are either incompetent or complicit.
@Captain Yossarian 31 May, 2021 at 7:50 pm
“One question I would ask is: should it take Police Scotland 9-weeks to ascertain if a crime has been committed?….surely not.”
Its surely not up to the police to do that though is it , Police investigate then pass their findings to the Prosecuter Fiscal ? Then if PF thinks there is a case then the Police execute a charge ? This isn’t a straight forward case of theft and you can bet SNP will argue although the money supposedly “ringfenced for Indy2” that they did in fact use it for Indyref2 in some dubious manner like “spent on research” and thus won’t be technically stolen at all.
Money had to come from somewhere to pay for Alyn Smiths Libel case. ” On Sky News in May 2019, Smith claimed that the Brexit Party is “a shell company that’s a money laundering front”. After the party’s chairman threatened legal action, Smith apologised unreservedly and admitted that he had no evidence for his allegation, made a major contribution to the party chairman’s legal costs and made a donation to charity. It is alleged that Smith’s donation was paid by the SNP out of member’s party donations.”
So when is he going to pay the money back ? link to en.wikipedia.org
@Robert Graham 31 May, 2021 at 8:08 pm
“I have just watched Swindler on the BBC telling a bare faced fkn lie
He wasnt avoiding the avoiding the question he just couldn’t give a fk Aye honest John hes in good company eh
Straight faced the only person in Scotland that hasn’t heard of police involvement in a case of missing money a crime has been committed the SNP management dont care and by the looks of it the police have been marked absent nothing to see
Thank Christ I dont contribute to these lying fkrs any more”
Lots of tough truths to come out yet lots of them have been lying on link to heraldscotland.com
@Freya 31 May, 2021 at 8:48 pm
“I would be interested to hear what other posters think the chances are of both Joanna Cherry and Douglas Chapman announcing that they’re joining Alba Party in a few weeks’ time. This second independence referendum does definitely need a push from someone who genuinely wants to achieve it.”
Still hasn’t sunk in then why they don’t want to achieve it but just wheel it out every single election just to get suckers to keep on Voting for them ? link to blogs.lse.ac.uk
All aboard the Bandwagon
link to bit.ly
link to msn.com
Don.
Your link seems to be to an article written by particularly lazy economics students, who have made various guestimates, all based on a hypothetical loss of trade because borders, tariffs n’ stuff.
A wee tip mate, when the lazy fuckers start with the soundbite figures, 2-3 times as bad (drop in gdp) as Brexit (isn’t that a roaring success?) and work back from there, you might think of the words ‘margin of error’ and take a deep breath.
In summary.
Pish poor propaganda.
Happy to help
🙂
‘mon the Alba.
@ Freya and Robert Knight TBQH I am extremely disappointed in Joanna Cherry and although I know very little of Douglas Chapman his stated determination to get to the bottom of the £600k has not materialised or produced anything of consequence
What I do know is that Scotland is suffering the effects of a corrupted and rabid shower of gross incompetents led by a twisted narcissistic screwball which maybe would not be the case if Ms Cherry and Mr Chapman alongside others had the guts or bravery to expose the lies and corruption which is at the heart of the SNP , BUT it appears self interest and the financial fruits of their positions from all our political reps is MORE important to them than the social and moral responsibility they owe to their voters and the ordinary citizens of Scotland
Indy bloggers and us commenters decry and revile the fourth estate HACKS and their newspapers for NOT doing their job in exposing government corruption and protecting the public , BUT our supposed representative politicians who we employ are elected to serve and protect our interests not to become complicit or subservient to the corruption
So again TBQH I despise the craven cowardice shown by almost all of the SNP politicians who have allowed this ongoing situation to continue without putting their heads above the parapet and becoming a whistleblower and if any of them move to ALBA they will bring their cowardice with them
twathater says:
1 June, 2021 at 3:00 am
So again TBQH I despise the craven cowardice shown by almost all of the SNP politicians who have allowed this ongoing situation to continue without putting their heads above the parapet and becoming a whistleblower and if any of them move to ALBA they will bring their cowardice with them…
I share than concern. I don’t think there are many in the SNP covering themselves in glory, and it’s a bit suspect that their first indication of dissent is a move to ALBA rather than speaking up while still in the SNP.
But on the other side of the coin, you have the petulance of Sturgeon’s vindictiveness, brilliantly illustrated in her theatrical reading out of 38 names of defectors to ALBA. Hell hath no fury like a spoiled brat’s tantrum when she doesn’t get her own way. Sturgeon has lost the plot I think, although there was ever much plot there to begin with.
I don’t think “doing the right thing” is always easy. First, there’s the boiled frog principle… The effect is pernicious. You’re not trapped by the brazen acts of corruption, you’re sucked in by the little misdemeanours which you don’t approve of, but which, by themselves, don’t warrant throwing your toys out the pram. It’s only with hindsight you see the litany of mini corruptions merging into one singularity, and by that point, you’re often deeply implicated and it’s hard to get out. Don’t forget, you’ll not just be facing up to the corruption, your complicity with that corruption, but also a degree of stupidity for getting yourself entangled with it.
Furthermore, particularly where Joanna Cherry is concerned, taking on the Establishment, as she did, successfully, twice, is a lonely road I promise you, because many of your “friends” evaporate, and you’re on your own having just kicked the hornets nest. Joanna Cherry I promise you is one gutsy lady. It is lunacy for the SNP to have an asset like Cherry and treat her with such contempt.
Reading between the lines, I think there can be little doubt the SNP’s management of Cherry, (management in the sense of looking after her), was utterly disgraceful, support was non-existent, and in all probability even damaging to Ms Cherry’s welfare… and I’m not even talking about the Transwankers treatment of Joanna, that’s a whole other chapter of madness. I’m talking about the mundane and everyday support you’d give to one of your own.
In it’s way, I think there is actually some nasty commonality between certain individuals in the SNP trying to wreck Alex Salmond as an asset for Scottish Independence, and to do the same thing to Joanna Cherry.
So, while yes, maybe it is possible that ALBA should have certain suspicions about some SNP defectors being carpetbaggers, I think ALBA has to take it’s chances, run with that risk, and treat these defectors the way YES in 2014/15 embraced NO voters converting to YES who were too late in seeing the light. Welcome aboard.
One last thing too… it’s hard to face down corruption on your own, when you know you’re not big enough to bring down that corruption, and don’t actually know how far it’s tendrils extend. You might win, feel vindicated you’ve made your point, but you’ve also left a vindictive monster in place ready to come and hunt you down.
There’s a wisdom of sorts for not breaking out until you know the corruption is in it’s death throes and definitely going down. But that’s a wisdom, not a bravery.
Ruby @7:07pm
That’s some pretty interesting language. They don’t seem to realise that if everybody who crosses paths with Team Nicola is a malcontent that maybe the problem isn’t where they think it is.
Also the “reading of the names” at the NEC meeting must be straight out of Stalin’s playbook. These are the non-persons and you will never acknowledge their existence. It’s also clearly a warning that the same fate will befall anybody who steps out of line in future.
Playing tray-tor card so publicly is quite remarkable, bottom of the barrel stuff. There’s no finesse, never mind substance. The whole edifice is on the edge of toppling. This kind of behaviour can’t sustain itself for long.
I fondly remember the greatest Commonwealth Games in Glasgow.
The people of the city and the incredible success of the Scottish atheletes
made the whole thing unforgettable.
With so much government money spent on London’s Olympic Games,
I was sure they would have to contribute significantly to our games.
Somehow, Westminster managed not to put 1 penny in the pot!!!!
Just seen this on-line-
“What we do know is that the Government is paying 75 per cent of the costs for the Games- that is about £560 million which will be invested in Birmingham and the West Midlands”
Isn’t commonwealth such a farcical title.
Poor country has valuable resources so their friendly nation sends in its armies to steal them.
@Don – Police Scotland have been investigating it for 9-weeks and that is still ongoing. Once they finish, they send information they have on any allegations of crime to the PF’s office and they make a decision on prosecution. That’s the way I understand it.
There are financial standards that have to be complied with. All the Police have to do is establish if, in their opinion, they have been, or not. It doesn’t appear that complex to me. I’m just saying that 9-weeks seems like a needlessly long time to investigate something like this.
More from the Stalinist NEC:
“….what exactly happened at the NEC meeting in March when one of the three members of the audit committee read out on behalf of all three of the auditors their concerns and explanation of why they were resigning?”
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Paints a pretty damning picture of She/Her and her cabal and their anger at the subject of the lack of access to the SNP accounts being brought up.
I suspect the most vocal are probably those who are/have been in receipt of monies from this pot in the guise of ‘staff positions’
link to archive.is
Peter Murrell gets the blame as Joanna Cherry is latest to quit over SNP secrecy
The SNP has said the claims were part of a “dirty tricks campaign” and “utterly baseless”.
“It’s all about Murrell,” said one source. “The party is an absolute shitshow but it kind of feels like they are getting away with it.”
No comment so far from ‘SNP Source aka Baffieman’ re Joanna Cherry.
“It’s all about Murrell,” said one source.
“The party is an absolute shitshow but it kind of feels like they are getting away with it.”
I wonder who that source is?
That is a pretty good description of what is happening.
Yet another example of HCB harassment / malicious complaint.
If you can afford it, can you please contribute towards Marion Millar’s ‘Women Won’t Weesht’legal fees.
Sheer police intimidation to a mother of autistic kids.
link to grahamlinehan.substack.com
Just trying to find all the articles about the ‘ring-fenced indy fund’
Do you fancy helping?
link to wingsoverscotland.com
link to wingsoverscotland.com
link to wingsoverscotland.com
link to wingsoverscotland.com
A bit more on the background to Marion’s story. It might be fair to say the Kirkcaldy police are looking like idiots.
link to scotsman.com
link to archive.is
It is understood that Colin Beattie MSP, the party’s former treasurer, has taken over the role once again.
Colin who features in:
link to wingsoverscotland.com
We do need to see ( our?) govermentdisintegrating.
It is not recognisable as our goverment, it is a corrupt cabal when you hide money that was not theirs, and everyone is prevented from questioning where their money has gone.
The Scottish government runs on the consent of Westminster and the crown,
Not exactly a Scottish government is it.
I get your objections Twathater , which you state with admirable conviction , but , as ever , Breeks has , what I consider , a broader , deeper take on this question .
It may also be the case that , rightly or wrongly , JC and DC chose to wait until after the HE to make their statements for fear of damaging the electoral prospects of what is at least nominally the main ie largest pro-Independence Party and risk losing control of Holyrood .
That that scenario was never really likely looking at the polls and abysmal quality of the other Parties is something we see clearly now , retrospectively , but given the vagaries of our electoral system was not 100% certain beforehand .
‘One last thing too… it’s hard to face down corruption on your own, when you know you’re not big enough to bring down that corruption, and don’t actually know how far it’s tendrils extend. You might win, feel vindicated you’ve made your point, but you’ve also left a vindictive monster in place ready to come and hunt you down.’
The hardest part is getting people to simply look at the bare facts and recognise the potential dangers.
The facts about where we are and what has been going on are there for all to see. The trouble is people are married to their worldview and will resist any information that would sour it.
In order not to unnecessarily provoke anyone im going to use Donald Trump and his followers as an example. A very large group of people in the US and internationally consider Trump to be the nationalist messiah, who will help lift the tide of nationalism and sovereignty everywhere even if he himself is an extremely flawed individual.
This in the face of him doing almost nothing solid for his actual voting base, not supporting, even verbally, those who have been unjustly arrested at the Capitol, basically putting Israel as top priority in all foreign policy while failing in domestic policies. He allowed rioters to demolish large parts of many cities while waiting for the corrupt governors to do anything. His list of presidential pardons could well be a deliberate slap in the face to his supporters while Assange and Snowden get nothing. Most importantly he is encouraging his supporters to comply with demands to take these experimental mRNA vaccines and has been promoting the China China side of the story while never mentioning PCR fraud. The list goes on and on that paints a shameful picture of a man who would have himself written in the history books as some kind of leader.
In short he is (largely) as the left have continually pointed out and not the man his supporters want to think of him as and everything the man does (and doesn’t do) proves it.
But lets not pretend this is limited to the right wing. This is a problem of the voting public pretty much everywhere – they want to play favourites and simply will NOT look seriously at uncomfortable information until the consequences are on them.
Now scale it up to national and international institutions, decades of political and cultural propaganda, the steady ongoing work of NGO’s and foundations, think tanks and nationalist religious cabals.
Our country and most of the 1st world has had its main institutions slowly infested with groups who push ideology and methods which were really born in the 19th century and created for the purpose of totalitarian control while garnering initial consent and support from the ignorant and naive. These methods have been continually honed and refined as the cultural zeitgeist evolved over time. There are political groups and committees that are literally, provably, working from the methods created long ago that are an all out attack on us. There are people pointing this out as we speak and producing evidence but again – its hard getting people to actually LOOK.
Unfortunately I can’t name names because again this would trigger negative emotional reactions in most reading this, regardless of the facts, however what is absolutely clear is that the Scottish government, the British government, the SNP (and other parties) and many of our institutions are working from a similar script.
That script is anti nationalist in the extreme (yes, Boris Johnson really is not any kind of nationalist), it is anti human and it is absolutely at odds with the concept of a free and happy humanity.
Ive been wrong about some things, however what I have been right about is exactly the position we find ourselves in right now and where we are going and that is a country that has every divisive issue possible injected into it in order to make the pot stirring all the more easy for the those who wish to maintain social control.
This is basically a reply to Breeks but im addressing everyone – stop being surprise that the police are corrupt, stop being surprised that you are continually let down by politicians or others, stop being surprised at the lack of progress being made in ANYTHING that strengthens our people and stop being surprised that you continually find more and more divisive issues popping up that make cohesive political action more difficult.
Until the scale of what is going on is recognized then the public, even the politically aware public, will have no means of getting ahead of the game while the situation we find ourselves in continually degrades.
The lifeline right now, ironically, is the blatant fraud we are experiencing with covid. But again – try getting people to take their rose tinted glasses off.
WOS was so successful because Mr Campbell was happy to take on uncomfortable issues and forensically deconstruct the bullshit. However he is one man.
Each person who seriously wants to do something for their nation needs to start rethinking what they think they know and get ahead of the curve and learn to not get so emotionally attached to any one concept, party or ideology that they cannot drop it and act rationally when it becomes obvious that things are not right.
The Scots have been led by the nose to this point – and still are. People need to get a better big picture perspective and stop wondering about referendums, this or that politician, or ‘why wont the media report this?’ and ‘why won’t the police properly investigate that?’ because frankly it is going to get you/us/Scotland absolutely nowhere.
A Scottish nationalist movement needs much, much more than political analysis and a fingers crossed approach to the next election or referendum because the sad truth is those routes are all false as things stand and lead to dead ends that ultimately cost more years and decades in the wilderness.
A Scottish nationalist movement that will succeed in its stated goal will act as a protector and educator for the Scottish people outside the realm of politics and seek to build business, cultural and legal clout while reinforcing our people’s right to a place in the world.
This will involve a drastic rethink of priorities in many, even on this comments section.
I also think that this will actually require a new generation of Scottish independence supporters if the current group cannot think in bigger terms
“..it never hurts to be reminded of the iron law of media-watching in the 21st century: don’t rely on links, don’t count on “the cloud”, and take copies of everything…..So if you see something important, whether it be a newspaper story or a blog or a tweet, don’t trust that it’ll still be there in an hour’s time – preserve it and be certain.”
For those WOS readers who have never seen this brilliant article. With some help and guidance on how to save & protect articles etc: link to wingsoverscotland.com
And the archived version if Rev does decide to shut down: link to archive.is
J.o.e @ 9.27 .
Brilliant post .
Totally agree people need to see Scotland’s dilemma in a much wider context , as a ” victim ” ( potential casualty ) of insidious trends and agendas that transcend national borders , and that the current crowd of colonial administrators that try to pass themselves off as our liberators are simply a reflection these trends and agendas , albeit , and much to our detriment , willing participants .
It would also help to gain a more encompassing perception of where we are , in Scotland and elsewhere , if people stopped falling for the weaponised strategy of dismissing anything they disagree/are uncomfortable with as ” Conspiracy Theories ” .
Of course there are ludicrous ideas around , there always have been .
There are also actual conspiracies and , again , there always have been .
A brilliant article from Iain Lawson, on the machinations of the SNP’s NEC.
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
And further to my post at 9:50 am here’s more on that tutorial from The Rev: “You can read it, without earning the Scotsman any undeserved ad revenue, here.” link to wingsoverscotland.com
J.o.e.
Working together in Scotland would be the first big win for a nation,
When we see our rights and liberties being honed down or removed,
This morning I was reading a report by the ferret on rights of way and access to the Scottish country side and how Scottish people are beginning to lose those rights and people are having to go to court, to stop walkers.
In my local area, just before and during covid lockdowns farmers have torn down fences and ploughed up old roads and rights of ways, These being public,
I can find no financial purchase or exchange of deeds for these old highways, yet in a time when we are supposed to be going green, taking up walking and cycling, our local council has also reapportioned some of the rights of way to themselfs,
It is not only lockdown due to covid that is covertly restrictive, if when you are allowed to go for exercise the right to roam is being challenged in courts by new land owners,
Snp and greens not challenging this foreboding new trend over our own rights in Scotland,
It will quickly go back in history to where just a few people are in control and ownership of land here in Scotland.
Anyone with an interest in walking or cycling should be complaining and writing letters at least to their own councils and local mps as this goes against the green policies and the right for the people living in Scotland,
We should be working and pulling together for a better Scotland even before independence where we can.
‘We should be working and pulling together for a better Scotland even before independence where we can.’
I agree but I would go further – we must be acting as a nation that looks after our peoples interests in every sphere of life regardless of our political situation. I think that if we did that the political situation would be ours to decide in time anyway.
@James Che. – 1 June, 2021 at 10:19 am
Seems to me that the sad reality is that we all gave up our historic “Right to Roam” without a peep in March last year.
Proving, of course, that it could never have been a right in the first place. A right is absolute, like in the right to life. All those years we should have been talking about the Provisional Approval to Roam Subject to the Caveat that it May be Withdrawn at Any Time on Any Pretext.
Cause believe me on this. Nobody roaming the hills in splendid isolation ever infected anybody with anything.
But we are where we are. As with all things in life, the mantra is use it or lose it. There’s more than this that is not going to go back to the way it was before.
It’s interesting to see the “convergence” of opinions here from various points on what could be considered to be the traditional political spectrum.
I’m not sure this is a sign that certain arguments or positions have won the day, instead people are starting to realise there might be bigger fish to fry and that in some respects the country itself is under “attack” or at least being sold off to various interests. That’s a bit of a ham-fisted way of expressing it but it seems there is a growing recognition that there’s more that unites than divides.
All very exciting. Maybe this is the new dawn for independence.
I don’t get it. Surely something has got to give.
You squander Scottish Sovereignty. No consequence.
You overrule the democratic will of the sovereign people. No consequence.
You fit up an innocent man on bogus charges. No consequence.
You piss away mandate after mandate to hold a referendum. No consequence.
You put your membership into a tailspin. No consequence.
£600k seems the subject of embezzlement. No consequence.
You waffle and redact your way through an “Inquiry” where everybody knows you’re lying. No consequence.
Your incompetence and ignoring legal counsel costs the Tax payer hundreds of thousands and shames the Scottish Government with acknowledgment of bias. No consequence.
Your NEC crony’s and gerrymanderers are booted out the NEC democratically but worm their way back in by rigging the process and self ID’ing as disabled. No consequence.
You refuse to entertain a Plebiscite Election, when that Plebiscite Election when won, would have delivered a mandate for Independence. No consequence.
You fought that same election with acrimonious derision towards the ALBA component of a Holyrood Supermajority which would have delivered mandates for either or both Independence or IndyRef. No consequence.
When you’re a thief, a liar, a false witness, a betrayer, a charlatan, a gerrymanderer, a grifter and a cheat… For some lucky few, there’s never any fucking consequence.
And for all those “nine” lives squandered, there are still idiots believing the SNP is doing swell, and any minute now these gyroscopes are going to bring the Treaty of Union to an end and the UK crashing to it’s knees…
Just go outside and enjoy the sunshine Scotland. Make ready for the long and bleak winter ahead of us.
The Rape of the Mind, by Joost A.M. Meerloo, is a 1950s book that describes, largely, Nazi and Soviet thought control techniques. A kind of documentary version of 1984, in a way. Available online for free. The point is that too much of the content becomes instantly recognisable in today’s SNP.
Whole populations have since been junk-cultured and, indeed, mind raped by postmodernist voodoo theories that have the useful side-effect of conning people into believing that they are too cynical, ironic, street-smart and sneery-cool to themselves be conned. (See wokies.)
Cenchos says:
1 June, 2021 at 1:54 pm
Quote:- “The Rape of the Mind, by Joost A.M. Meerloo, is a 1950s book that describes, largely, Nazi and Soviet thought control techniques. A kind of documentary version of 1984, in a way. Available online for free. The point is that too much of the content becomes instantly recognisable in today’s SNP.
Whole populations have since been junk-cultured and, indeed, mind raped by postmodernist voodoo theories that have the useful side-effect of conning people into believing that they are too cynical, ironic, street-smart and sneery-cool to themselves be conned. (See wokies.)”
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Spot on.
@Cenchos 1 June, 2021 at 1:54 pm
“…. that have the useful side-effect of conning people into believing that they are too cynical, ironic, street-smart and sneery-cool to themselves be conned.”
How Ironic of you to point that out. link to ft.com
How ironic it’s behind a FT paywall.
@Stuart MacKay 1 June, 2021 at 12:49 pm
….That’s a bit of a ham-fisted way of expressing it but it seems there is a growing recognition that there’s more that unites than divides.
All very exciting. Maybe this is the new dawn for independence.”
Independence of thought and a new dawn for real Socialism do you mean ? link to news.stv.tv
just waiting to hear she/her say that Stirling going to be in level 3 till the end of June and kiss goodbye to the AUOB Bannockburn march.
@ Breeks at 12.58 and 1.22: very well analysed and summarised, the failures of the SNP leadership since Alex stood down.
How on earth are these people to be made accountable? The NEC is completely under their control – see Ian Lawson’s article today.
Mass public protest and a successful criminal case are the only routes I can see to getting them out but the legal system being what it is perhaps a criminal case wouldn’t be brought. It is all very very depressing.
@Captain Yossarian 1 June, 2021 at 7:54 am
“@Don – Police Scotland have been investigating it for 9-weeks and that is still ongoing. Once they finish, they send information they have on any allegations of crime to the PF’s office and they make a decision on prosecution. That’s the way I understand it.
There are financial standards that have to be complied with. All the Police have to do is establish if, in their opinion, they have been, or not. It doesn’t appear that complex to me. I’m just saying that 9-weeks seems like a needlessly long time to investigate something like this.”
And even more creepy that “usedtobehonest” John Swinney still tries to deny there is one even going on.
Perhaps Murrell stopped the Police from seeing the books or got a lawyer involved to try to do that. Maybe even there are no books taht show £600K was ever “in the book” but in some offshore account that UK Police can’t access. I would love to know where the £825K came from too link to heraldscotland.com
@wee monkey 1 June, 2021 at 2:10 pm
“How ironic it’s behind a FT paywall.”
Less ironic though that the same can be found elsewhere.
link to blogs.lse.ac.uk
link to heraldscotland.com
Don,
apparently we, as humans, share 50 % of our DNA with bananas.
Judging by your links, I’m convinced you share considerably more.
Don- Murrell is simply buying time to cover his tracks. Inside he will be absolutely panicking. That’s usually when a mistake is made.
These things can never be covered up. Too many possibilities for mistakes and too many people involved.
The net is closing. Dragnet!
Many of you are correct in stating that it covers all aspects that our rights that are changing,
There seems to be no access to legal representation such as legal aid, the ombudsman and citizens advice are now joined at the hip with government through funding.
The law seems to be bias against the poor and in favour of the wealthy people more than ever, and once again we go back to the poor had no lawyers, another step back in time.
In my area if you want to take the council to court, you first have to find a lawyer that does not have the council on their books, our local council has employed and covers the whole list county of lawyers. Which is astounding.
Each lawyer says it can not take you on as a client due to a conflict of interest with the local council already being their client
I live in a busy area, but I was having to phone lawyers outside the county, and most responded with we do not cover your area, especially with covid and court case restrictions,
When we keep each other informed and talk through What is taking place in Scotland with our rights seemingly being eroded, it is a simple fact we need to talk more here on every day issues.
However I do not buy into the let’s give up brigade, hand to forehead, woe is poor me.
You have you’re sovereignty now, you only lose it when you stop fighting for it and give it up…to hand it over willing,
If our government fails us the people, we will eventually all learn that being sovereign means you have the right to chose a new government,
It is going to take a very long time for some who are so far down the rabbit hole daylight has been obscured for them. All they can see and hear in the dim light is MSM, quoting what governments pay others so called experts for. These experts are on payrolls.
You , I ,we are being led into a future where you will not be allowed to think or act for yourselves, own land or walk in the country you live in. and eventually you will have no rights left,
Stop being like a drama queen, take your hand down your forehead and standup for your right to remain sovereign,
Driving along a council road to day I saw a sign on a wall.
“Reverse into car park space only,”
So now that you may have to give up you’re car you bought with no real reimbursement that matches the price you paid for it, use lithium batteries which is dangerous to the environment when disposed of, in a new electric car you will have to buy, be able to park in car parks only for council, police and government profit but now they are telling you how to park in case you may be stupid.
Meanwhile you cannot or will not be able to walk or cycle because the right to roam is being taking away. And should you fail to obey the new land owners they have the money and access to lawyers that will wipe the floor with you,
It is “ WE” , “US” , our country as a whole nation that this is happening to.
@James Che – “There seems to be no access to legal representation such as legal aid, the ombudsman and citizens advice are now joined at the hip with government through funding”.
We have Sturgeon to thank for this, James. There used to be legal aid in Scotland; she stopped it.
Breeks @12.58pm.
The answer is simple there’s now no accountability in politics, breaking the Ministerial code, misleading (lying) to parliament, bungs, backhanders spending over 200k on doing up Number Ten, and then claiming not to know that party donors paid for it, without any consequences.
Then there’s the PPE contracts handed out to everyone but their grannies who knew nothing or didn’t even have business set up to make PPE, there was David Cameron who got eight £50 million lump sums from the taxpayer with regards to Greensill.
As I said there’s just no accountability anymore, not at Holyrood, nor Westminster.
“There used to be legal aid in Scotland; she stopped it.”
Captain Yossarian.
When did this happen, I’m under the impression you can still get legal aid if you qualify for it in Scotland.
link to slab.org.uk
Ian Lawson’s article today was mentioned further up this Thread.
For Newbies to Wings, here it is:
link to tinyurl.com
Republicofscotland – from April 2016. It used to be commonly available; nowadays, if it is available at-all, it is available to very, very few.
James Che spoke about lawyers having conflicting interests. In my experience, many of them will not tell you that, they will just stiff you and let you find-out to your own cost that they have conflicting interests.
Captain Yossarian.
On legal aid, you can still get it if you meet the necessary criteria, I think the wide spread availability of it was reduced, due to lawyers offering it to everyone and their grannies, without checking if they qualified for it first.
I’m not saying that all lawyers abused the legal aid system but quite few did.
RepublicofScotland – the chap who told me that was a senior lawyer. Sturgeon saved a few million a year by doing it. I don’t doubt what you say is right and it was occassionally being abused, but not that often. Look at how much were splaffing on bogus legal costs now. All it has done is remove a whole load of people from any hope of getting free legal assistance. The lawyers don’t care, they get paid anyway.
Don says:
1 June, 2021 at 2:24 pm
@Captain Yossarian 1 June, 2021 at 7:54 am
“@Don – Police Scotland have been investigating it for 9-weeks and that is still ongoing. Once they finish, they send information they have on any allegations of crime to the PF’s office and they make a decision on prosecution. That’s the way I understand it.
There are financial standards that have to be complied with. All the Police have to do is establish if, in their opinion, they have been, or not. It doesn’t appear that complex to me. I’m just saying that 9-weeks seems like a needlessly long time to investigate something like this.”
And even more creepy that “usedtobehonest” John Swinney still tries to deny there is one even going on.
Perhaps Murrell stopped the Police from seeing the books or got a lawyer involved to try to do that. Maybe even there are no books taht show £600K was ever “in the book” but in some offshore account that UK Police can’t access. I would love to know where the £825K came from too link to heraldscotland.com
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You have to admit the smokescreen would have done D-day proud..
SNP finances are not being investigated by the police says John Swinney
link to dailyrecord.co.uk
Oh and another thing.
link to theguardian.com
did someone mention political smokescreens?
Well we’re going to have to stand up and stand together sooner or later.
Or we will be in a totalitarian state.
‘The books are, um, being audited and the, uh, the Covid meant that it would have, ah yes, it would have been unsafe for the books to be given to anyone else due to, um, the lockdown regulations and uncertainties, and Alex Salmond should apologise for it but won’t. More carrot cake, vicar? ‘
Give us break. Northern Ireland is neither a nation, a province or a country. The Irish people are the nation, Ulster is the province and Ireland is the country.
James Che. says: at 3:09 pm
“Stop being like a drama queen, take your hand down your forehead and standup for your right to remain sovereign,
Driving along a council road to day I saw a sign on a wall.
‘Reverse into car park space only‘”
That is actually part of the Highway Code, and for good reason. It is so you don’t have to reverse back onto the main road with the obscured visibility from a driving position in the vehicle which means your visual splay is reduced because more of the vehicle has to encroach onto the road lane before you can see it is actually clear and safe to manoeuver into the lane.
A situation which means it is far more likely to cause a collision. As a motorbiker and cyclist it infuriates me seeing how fucking dumb some people are.
Parking nose in means you are going to have to reverse anyway, so best to reverse off the road and into the space when you have better visibility. If you can’t reverse you shouldn’t be fucking driving.
Archived links to wee monkey’s 4.35pm post
Herald
link to archive.is
Daily Record
link to archive.is
and
4.47pm Guardian link
link to archive.is
@ Breeks 6.41am I do understand the difficulty and sense of isolation and fear when challenging the establishment , and reading through some of your posts over the years you have faced certain challenges and confronted them head on albeit not always successfully , as I also have done, sometimes at great cost financially and emotionally
BUT we are not talking about normal people we are talking about people who consider themselves part of the elite , people who have put themselves forward to be elected to represent others , people who believe in their ability , people who are proud of being in a profession and enjoy the rewards apportioned to them , but it appears the integrity and honesty to expose wrongdoing , corruption and evil is not a trait they want to be burdened with
We along with others had great faith in JC as a saviour to the sovereignty issue , I personally thought and I presume you did too that she would champion fighting sturgeon and WM on the legal issues on the world stage following her prorogration win , BUT NOTHING a total damp squib , and subsequently demotion and denigration without challenge indicates a great degree of self preservation rather than a champion of good and honesty
Disappointing to see a lack of Charles Hodgson and any lurkers btl input today.
C’mon tae fuck folks. If you really want Scotland to return to being a self governing nation it would be appreciated if you could put a wee bit of effort in.
I’ve managed to archive the mad yoon’s links to save the anti- indy papers getting revenue from direct link hits.
The good news is that I still managed that after working on the roof to remove a skylight, deglazing it then cleaning the frame and priming it early morning, then sorting two lawnmowers, then heading to the farm to sort out rear link arms and ties on a David Brown, before self IDing as a collie dug to herd 3 lambs and 3 sheep past 2 huge pigs, then do some fencing, then going further afield to remove an shagged alternator from a Passat, then back home to gloss paint the dry primed window frame and cut the new glass to size, and back to work now emptying Guinness tins so I can collect bubble floats for anglers and prosthetic testicles for trans men in my new business venture.
Hi Dan.
That’s no workload for a LAY-DEE. Or even a male, self-identifying as lady. Is it that, perchance, your self-identifying lady is now self-identifying as a rural wurkie?
Ya know Brian, I haven’t had the time to even think about transing further. It’s almost like if you have to work to get by, or spend your time helping others out, then you just don’t have any time to be so self absorbed…
Forgot to mention also helped a neighbour out with their Honda motorbike which had sticking clutch due to lack of use. They though it was going to be expensive to sort but just needed engine oil heating up and clutch cycled whilst dragging back brake to eventually free it off.
Had some interesting discussions at the farm with regard to organic farming and was pointed to look at this site in Doncaster and what they are doing. Thought the solar panels on the irrigation pond to save land space was novel approach.
link to pollybell.co.uk
The same person mentioned that some HGVs are often not allowed to use certain rural roads in England, where as up here many of our smaller roads are getting hammered by the large volume of trucks that use the country roads as rat runs rather than them travelling on the larger more appropriate roads.
The cost to local authorities to constantly repair collapsed road drains and potholes must surely increase in proportion with the level of heavy traffic, so why don’t they consider implementing weight limits on certain roads to reduce the heavy traffic and force non essential vehicles to use the more appropriate roads that are designed and capable of handling those sorts and volumes of heavy vehicles.
Hey Dan
maybe if they built a decent infrastructure we would not have the problems you mention. There is never any cost to local authorities, they just put the rates up to cover their incompetence and syphon off what they can to increase their salaries.. How many local authorities do we have in Scotland FFS five million people. The whole place is a joke.
Regarding the school that’s sinking. The following are a couple of opinions from experts; these two guys are Directors of worldwide engineering companies. I have another 45No of these and they’re all more or less the same. Doesn’t sound good, does it.
We’re still waiting on the Scottish Government releasing their advice from Scottish experts. They’ve had it for 8 or 9 weeks now. I cannot understand what’s taking them so long, can you? John Swinney’s in charge I believe.
1) “You need to protect yourself from future litigation. Drainage can exacerbate settlement. Fill will settle regardless. This is just a botched building job. Someone provided a specific foundation solution, but it was ignored. If you don’t want to use expert advice, don’t ask for it!”
2) “What should the maximum design groundwater level be for a general site that needs to operate resiliently over many decades and against a changing climate? Unfortunately this question has not been addressed in any meaningful way either via guidance or by the professional institutions. It is a passion of mine to get this topic factored into all projects related to infrastructure and development otherwise we are being selective in how we appreciate risk”.
450No kids attend this school every day. Make-up your own minds if you think this is an emergency, or not.
Lol
Folks, do your best to ignore the direct links to BUM rags from the usual 2 culprits ‘Don’ and ‘wee monkey'(probably same person – they most certainly have other accounts under different names). Every thread is becoming spoilt with these direct links and there’s no excuse for it. They are doing it deliberately and every time they do it they help our No1 indy enemy to survive & thrive & crap all over Scotland. They most certainly aren’t indy supporters and they’ve been previously punted off here under other names. Isn’t that right ‘Yes2’?
Dan
See they prosthetic testicles fer trans men?
Dae they fit them ower a wee time period, maybes wan the day, and annither in a few weeks?
Or is it full speed aheid and baith at wance?
Can ye fit three or maybes fower? Grand weather fer swimsuits the noo, and fowk like tae look their best oan the beach.
Asking fer a freend.
Anti-vaxxer hospitalised with Covid after saying vaccines would wipe out ‘stupid people’
His name – RICK WILES
Maybe GOD will help him?
Robbo,
Rick Wiles is obviously nuts.
What exactly is your point?
To me, it seems like you are sneering at everyone that doesn’t agree with you.
Because pretty much every time you post something you seem incapable of explaining your position coherently for other people to understand.
Go on, have a bash.
Scotland is heading into third wave of Covid pandemic, Jason Leitch, dental practitioner, warns.
link to thenational.scot
In Covid country a new strain of systemic project fear is in preparation in the political laboratory for release in a place near you.
The BIG LIE.
link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org
and how to keep it going.
Anybody familiar with the text of the Declaration of Arbroath in relation to Scottish origins…. Feel free to let your imagine run riot…
link to twitter.com
For those who won’t look.. From the D of A.
”… that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. It journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules….”
Then there comes the dates… The Scythian saddle cover is 2400 years old… and when you use those 2400 years as a yardstick for the admittedly ambiguous chronological assertions made in the Declaration… well, quite literally, you do the maths…
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not evidence, proof, or vindication of anything. It’s just a little fantasy thrill ride for your imagination. Lol.
Back in 2013 WOS commissioned a large crowdfunded Panelbase poll with some very revealing and interesting outcomes. Not a single BUM rag bothered to report on said poll or any of its findings. But there are still morons on here claiming to be indy supporters whilst aiding & abetting those very same outlets via promoting direct links to them & their articles. link to wingsoverscotland.com
Then just right after that WOS poll was ignored The Hootsman used some unknown American’s opinion piece on ScotsIndy as their front page lead. link to wingsoverscotland.com
That front page being seen on the news stands all over the country by millions, far more than will read Wings. Yet, morons claiming to be indy supporters continue to help promote those very rags who wouldn’t give Wings Over Scotland the time of day. Not exactly the sharpest tools in the box eh?
@ wullie
There are 32 local authority areas in Scotland. The concept of having more local influence and control, whilst reducing centralised power should be a positive.
Obviously that is caveated with a requirement of having sensible people in those Offices to administer decent well thought out and appropriate to the area policies.
Of course due to Scotland’s predicament the elections for local “government” are still unfortunately fought and mired on the tribal grounds of Party politics and the constitutional question…
To be fair there are significant large scale road infrastructure projects going on in this area that will no doubt help, but they could be complimented by implementing road restrictions to reduce the volume of inappropriate traffic on the smaller roads.
@ Capt Yossa
Don’t be surprised if Bucksburn is soon to be twinned with a certain North Eastern Italian city, what with them having their new Venetian themed primary school.
Bantz aside, it is shit that the building has been built with compromised foundations due to the site.
This should never have been allowed to happen. Even when I built a small extension, ground type assessment and a drainage percolation test were required to determine the appropriate foundation and soak-away specifications.
Was this school build you often refer to similar to the one where a lack of wall ties caused a wall to come down, in that there was self certification of work by contractors rather than external building control officers checking key elements of the work?
@ robbo
It appears all that clapping for Jesus Christ paid off for Rick.
link to twitter.com
And another bit of lightweight fact-free trivia…
The artefact comes from the Pazyryk kurgan, with a kurgan as far as I can tell being the regions word for a barrow or burial mound.
I’ve sometimes wondered whether McLeod’s arch enemy in the Highlander movie, called the Kurgan, was random coincidence, or deliberate reference to the mountain of a man coming to bury McLeod.
The Kurgan wasn’t his actual name, he was a Kurgan, taken in by Scythian tribe calling themselves the Kurgans.
I’m quite happy to accept the Highlander novel is complete fiction, (well yes, obviously), but a Kurgan from Scythia coming to challenge a Highlander to the death? That’s quite a coincidence if it’s all total fiction.
Does that qualify as a possible Easter egg in the Highlander movie? 😉
@ Breeks
I’ll tack this on from a couple of days back.
link to twitter.com
@John Main (7.25) –
Matt McGinn would’ve had a field day with this stuff.
‘The Wummin Wi Four Baws’ or suchlike…
@Dan – This is from the Scottish Government, 4th October 2016:
“First of all, I am disappointed by the implication in your letter that we have not taken your concerns seriously. I can assure you that we have all spent a great deal of time investigating and that we have reached a conclusion that you neither like nor agree with does not mean that we have dismissed your concerns or not taken them seriously”.
The problem is….they are not just my concerns are they?….they are the concerns of every single expert engineer worldwide that I can find.
The chap who wrote the above letter currently has opinion from Scotland’s best engineers on his desk, but he won’t let anyone see them. John Swinney’s moved-on from Education and so he’s refusing to instruct him to do it and no-one else can instruct him.
I don’t know what it is, but somehow in Scotland we just cannot reach an outcome, you know. Everything can be done later and by someone else. Or, in the case of Holyrood, best if it’s never done at-all.
@Breeks,
Had my DNA ancestry checked (got it for my birthday)and was hoping for confirmation of being a Pict,
turns out ,on my father`s side,my biggest DNA markers were from Spain 25%/France 23%,
but curiously enough i had a small marker coming from the Black Sea area which i think covers the area of Greater Sythia,
the first reference of my surname name is Macbeth`s father Findláech , so Macbeth was son of Findláech or now Finlayson,
so it looks like i am a Scot not a Pict and not indigenous to British Isles,(an immigrant ?)
it also give some credence to the D of A historiography (i think).
BBC also got in on the act: link to wingsoverscotland.com
The Hootsman being exposed for the utter failure that it is. No wonder it was heading towards going tits up at a startling rate of knots, until the SNP helped throw it a lifeline with taxpayers money: link to wingsoverscotland.com
So the UK’s exports to the EU are down by a colossal £13 billion pounds since Brexit, one wonders how much of that huge number is Scottish.
Sturgeon the Betrayer was left on 45% by Alex Salmond she only needed a 6% swing and Brexit gave her that, but instead of saving Scotland from this vile union she sold us out and attempted to save England from itself, Sturgeon the Betrayer has single handedly seriously damaged Scotland’s economy.
Ireland a country in the EU, and close neighbour has seen its exports to the EU rise by £126 billion.
Who needs Johnson to destroy the Scottish economy, when you have Sturgeon the Betrayer to do it for him.
RepublicofScotland,
According to Union Don, Scotland is on its uppers so how can a wee country like Ireland be doing this well.
I’m pretty sure Don will be able to explain that all of Ireland would be better off back in the Union and maybe it’s just a matter of time before the Empire is whole again.
Breastplate says:
2 June, 2021 at 8:25 am
Robbo,
Rick Wiles is obviously nuts.
What exactly is your point?
To me, it seems like you are sneering at everyone that doesn’t agree with you.
Because pretty much every time you post something you seem incapable of explaining your position coherently for other people to understand.
Go on, have a bash.
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Is that the gospel according to St Breastplate ? I rarely post these days because threads are usually infested with cranks like you. The opposite of your views seems to infuriate the anti-vaxxers ,well tough.
The program on CH5 last night shed light on a lot of things how these people make money out of there outlandish claims. It’s all about the money.
Bleach to clear the lungs -anyone?
You believe what you want pal- I don’t give two hoots.
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Breastplate says:
2 June, 2021 at 8:25 am
Robbo,
Rick Wiles is obviously nuts.
What exactly is your point?
You’re being sold a ill pup by the likes of “Andrew Wakefield” – disgraced struck off doctor! and that other crank “Brennan” who sells, basically bleach from a garage in Florida who now thankfully has been caught..
Dan says
@ robbo
It appears all that clapping for Jesus Christ paid off for Rick.
link to twitter.com
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Aye Dan, must have been the three hail Mary’s and one our father that did it ! Nowt to do with the medical care in hospital that saved his life.
Breastplate.
Don, yes I’ve encountered this one, take no notice of his wafflings, I think we all have a pretty good idea why Don is spouting pish on this blog.
From the Rick Wiles tweet ‘I survived the CCP Covid genocide on American people’
Weapons of mass destruction anyone?
@James Che
I found your posts yesterday interesting. This is the kind of thing that needs fought against.
Of course the whole ‘green’ thing isn’t about environment. Its about bringing us to the heel of the elite.
‘Green’ is the environmental equivalent of ‘Covid measures’
Captain Yossarian says: at 9:25 am
“I don’t know what it is, but somehow in Scotland we just cannot reach an outcome, you know. Everything can be done later and by someone else. Or, in the case of Holyrood, best if it’s never done at-all.”
Aye, there is undoubtedly frustration when dealing with bureaucracy and particularly when trying to hold folk to account. They can be a slippery as eels.
But this situation is not just a Scottish problem, it’s the same the world over, and our southern “partner” in this Union is most certainly not exactly an example of a stellar performer in the realms of decency and ethics.
That is why so many folk would prefer for Scotland to return to self-governing status, not because of some anti-English element, but because of the empowering ability it would give Scots to directly hold our politicians to account, and reduce the current layers which they can utilise and deflect to insulate themselves from responsibility and liability.
I’ve knocked my pan in over the years dealing with large organisations utterly failing to address matters.
EG. Scottish Water force you to use their own approved contractors, but when they turn up pished on a Monday morning to do the specific work in a significantly substandard manner which fails to meet and breeches their own regulations, it takes some serious effort to get them to acknowledge there is even an issue, let alone get the dodgy work rectified.
BT / Open Reach were also useless at addressing a small matter when it was pointed out to them that locating their expensive new fibre optic broadband cabinet at the lowest point in the village in a medium flood risk area as identified on SEPA flood maps probably wasn’t the best plan. It could have been situated just ten yards differently to be in a low flood risk area, but fuck it, they put it in the more risky area with legacy flooding issues.
Plus the twats that ran all the ducting between the villages were happy to lob all their plastic offcuts and litter into the ditches rather than work cleanly adhering to their organisation’s own working practices.
I’ve still got the yard long email trails where they completely fail to address the issues, and also pics and vids logging the crap work.
I spent the time climbing down bankings and ditches to tidy their mess up. Jane Godley was nowhere to be seen…
.
Breeks,
I hope the Rev., doesn’t mind me saying this on his site, and apologies for not sparing your blushes, but you have a style and quality about your writing that, along with several other posters, makes it a pleasure to regularly pop back into Wings.
Breeks, your post earlier this morning was exceptional…
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Thank you chief.
On the substantive point that you make in your posting, I believe from friends still working in the field there are two relevant things that may help inform what we understand (the first is already obvious to many but worth repeating)….
IndyRef2 and the YES movement is being closed down by the well tested methodology used by the British Establishment and going back to the Roman Empire and many before it:-
DIVIDE AND CONQUER.
The infiltration of the SNP is at it’s WokeCaptured worst. For now.
The second thing that is NOT something that can be posted with full source material (yet), is a RAGING issue behind several closed walls.
One word:-
WHISTLEBLOWERS
Good, honest, decent people. They have mortgages and bills to pay. They have spent tens of thousands of pounds on education. They have a strong moral compass. They are professionally and personally tortured at what is happening in Scotland.
Breeks has elegantly summarised the problem in the link above, much of which exorcises the minds of MANY people.
For example, have a chat with any of the senior people in the FACULTY OF ADVOCATES.
They have gone as far as professionally possible with warnings being placed in the public domain.
When a profession, where the promotion structure heads, inexorably, to becoming a sheriff and High Court judge, any indiscretion in the political arena can be career cyanide.
Just look at Mr Woolfe. He was an over-promoted fool. A tool.
Any (want to be) distinguished legal mind who uses phrases such as:-
“There is no question about the integrity of the Crown Office”
is an utter fool. The dissonance and irony in that phrase screems out to anyone with the most basic functional neurons and synapses.
The fact someone makes statements like the verbal manure from substandard Woolfe means there IS a question of integrity. For those trolls still present on Wings, to help them by dumbing this down, Woolfe’s phrases have the same veracity as a college student in a pub going up to someone they fancy and saying:-
“I don’t have the clap or venereal disease, will you have a dance with me?”
In summary Breeks, I believe the story about the British Establishment killing off the SNP and IndyRef2 is only half told.
Our friends in Gloucestershire have made some gargantuan mistakes. They have “gamed” most of them and will bluff it out with the help of the state media.
But here’s the thing, two things actually:-
(i). There are too many whistleblowers.
(ii). The Scottish electorate are awesomely thrawn.
We all remember after 18th September 2014 when the average Joe and Jill voter in Scotland “woke” up to the fact they had been lied to with THE VOW and the rest of that Better Together pish that got flushed away once the gerrymandered 2014 IndyRef1 vote was done and dusted.
What do thrawn Scottish electors do when they finally find out the truth about their politicians?
Labour got booted out. In an identical manner that entitled smug cnut Pete Wishart will be booted out too.
Gordon Brown got booted out. John Swinney will repeat that path.
Labour PM Tony Blair is now a political pariah. A has-been. A no mark. An Andrex challenged skid-mark. So too will Nicola Sturgeon when her time in office ends.
Nope, we have a long ways to go before this is all finished.
Breeks, you will know the answer to your questions. The truth will out. Eventually.
I just want to let you know, many of us are with you on what you wrote.
Many of us know that it is only a matter of time before Sturgeon is fired or sent to prison.
At that point, the thrawn electorate will dump the Sturgeonite McWoeist cult and demand we get independence from the blood-sucking, oil-thieving unionist twats from dahn sarf.
Why has Wings gone so quiet?
In the past when Stu posted an article there were a lot of comments, links etc that were off topic.
I’m wondering why these comments & links haven’t continued.
Are people wary of getting a visit from the hate crime police or is there not much to talk about?
Has the hi-jacking of the forum by ‘anti-vaxxers’ over the last few weeks put people off.
Here’s a link that Craig Murray posted.
link to dissenter.substack.com
link to archive.is
archived link to article on previous post.
‘the empowering ability it would give Scots to directly hold our politicians to account’
This is not going to do what is necessary by itself.
The way forward is by making politics only one facet of a nationalist movement that covers all relevant ground instead of sitting in a hypnotists trance waiting for that ‘right’ result every half decade or so.
A TV license is 159 pounds per annum (not that ive ever paid for one). If we got for example 100,000 Scottish TV license payers to not pay that to the BBC and instead pay into a legal, media and educational fund to promote our rights it would be 15.9 million per year to use to fund a nationalist revival that could take on pretty much every issue that faces us.
The powers that be know your votes aren’t worth shit. Its what’s done with money that they fear much more
‘Has the hi-jacking of the forum by ‘anti-vaxxers’ over the last few weeks put people off.’
What? You don’t eat deep fried Mars bars? Are you anti-food or something?
@Dan – “But this situation is not just a Scottish problem, it’s the same the world over”.
No it’s not. I gave them an actual example of the way it is done overseas. One civil servant is responsible for it and it gets fixed withing 8-months. If you write a letter, it get answered within a day.
In that case, the whistle-blower got his photo on the front page of the Arab News and he was rewarded with a new Toyota. In this country, they want to hang you from a tree. No, it’s completely different.
It’s a big deal overseas, Dan. Every country has had construction disasters and they have learned from them. We have had construction disasters too and you alluded to them earlier. But, we carry-on exactly as before.
You may remember the Cole Inquiry into the safety of Scotland’s schools? It recommended that we do not rely any longer on visual inspection reports as they were judged to be the cause of that balls-up. The Scottish Government have kept using them (they just won’t listen) and, as a result, we have another balls-up; an even bigger one this time.
The main problem is that all political parties at Holyrood have something to lose. The SNP built the school, but the Labour and Conservative Parties run the council and have covered-it up.
In fact, the Labour and Conservative Parties may have more to lose because they have covered-it up for longer. That’s just my guess, but there must be some explanation.
Anyway, the way it stands at the moment is that it has been checked by the best experts in Scotland and I have said that I will accept the result whatever it is. We are just waiting on it being released.
Checks like this one are usually ready within 2-4 weeks. This one has taken more than 8-weeks already. That’s why I suspect there is something wrong.
We’re talking about many millions of pounds here, Dan.
J.o.e says:
A TV license is 159 pounds per annum (not that ive ever paid for one). If we got for example 100,000 Scottish TV license payers to not pay that to the BBC and instead pay into a legal, media and educational fund to promote our rights
Reply
Could end up the same as the boycotting of the Herald/Scotsman.
You refuse to buy Herald/Scotsman etc so Gov take it out of your taxes.
Refuse to buy TV licence so gov. fund BBC and take £159 from you in tax.
@Ruby 2 June, 2021 at 10:54 am
“Why has Wings gone so quiet?
In the past when Stu posted an article there were a lot of comments, links etc that were off topic.
I’m wondering why these comments & links haven’t continued.
Are people wary of getting a visit from the hate crime police or is there not much to talk about?
Has the hi-jacking of the forum by ‘anti-vaxxers’ over the last few weeks put people off.
Here’s a link that Craig Murray posted.
link to dissenter.substack.com”
LoL You complain about Anti Vaxxer posts then post a link from a well known conspiracy theorist Blogger ? Too funny.
He has done well for himself from crowdfunding and writing invented stories for the hard of thinking hasn’t he ?
link to dailyrecord.co.uk
@Breastplate 2 June, 2021 at 9:49 am RepublicofScotland,
“I’m pretty sure Don will be able to explain that all of Ireland would be better off back in the Union and maybe it’s just a matter of time before the Empire is whole again”
This Eire you mean ? link to en.wikipedia.org.
Don says:
LoL You complain about Anti Vaxxer posts then post a link from a well known conspiracy theorist Blogger ? Too funny.
He has done well for himself from crowdfunding and writing invented stories for the hard of thinking hasn’t he ?
Reply
Just think Don if I hadn’t posted my link you wouldn’t have been able to post your ‘flame-bait’
I didn’t complain about anti ‘Anti Vaxxers’ nor have I complained as yet about ‘flame-baiters’ like yourself.
Are you just here to ‘flame-bait’ or is there something else you are trying to achieve?
@J.o.e 2 June, 2021 at 11:02 am
‘Has the hi-jacking of the forum by ‘anti-vaxxers’ over the last few weeks put people off.’
“What? You don’t eat deep fried Mars bars? Are you anti-food or something?”
Poor J.o.e. You and your other anti vaxxer mates time may be coming soon too.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/anti-vaxxer-hospitalised-with-covid-after-saying-vaccines-would-wipe-out-stupid-people/ar-AAKBKJw?ocid=msedgntp&fbclid=IwAR0rnSrgdY9bNqO21vNOSxKNk-Z57bffjR3U_ePq1s9soa3RdRFv1x–7SM
Recent attacks against The Rev and his friends are nothing new. For those of you who are relatively new to Wings and haven’t seen this, have a read at what he was put through back in 2013. And how the despicable scumbag responsible received approval from, not only BritNat churnalists, but also from an “SNP blogger”. link to wingsoverscotland.com
And there are those among us who claim to be indy supporters who help promote direct links to BUM rags etc. For those who do, before making up your pathetic excuses, just contemplate for a moment where your priorities & loyalties lay.
Don says:
2 June, 2021 at 11:28 am
Poor J.o.e. You and your other anti vaxxer mates time may be coming soon too.
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FIGHT!
FlameBaiters v Anti-Vaxxers!
@Ruby 2 June, 2021 at 11:27 am
“Are you just here to ‘flame-bait’ or is there something else you are trying to achieve?”
Well there is that thing called reality that you all try to avoid so hard to understand, though for many here understanding any sort of truth is unlikely ever going to happen because their own personality or inherent mental issues.
link to ft.com
link to blogs.lse.ac.uk
link to ifs.org.uk
link to scotfact.com.
@ Don & Ruby
I never saw either of you give any feedback on the statements made by Public Health England or the WHO regarding the PCR ‘test’?
Just out of curiosity.
Don says:
2 June, 2021 at 11:36 am
@Ruby 2 June, 2021 at 11:27 am
“Are you just here to ‘flame-bait’ or is there something else you are trying to achieve?”
Well there is that thing called reality that you all try to avoid so hard to understand, though for many here understanding any sort of truth is unlikely ever going to happen because their own personality or inherent mental issues.
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Oh dear Donsie Flamebaiter is having a tantrum!
Careful with his links! I tried to open one and got a warning that it contained a virus.
WARNING
DO NOT OPEN DON’S LINKS THEY CONTAIN A VIRUS
That’ll be ‘DON’s shift started, then….
FFS here we go again another 8 hours worth of bollocks.
J.o.e says:
2 June, 2021 at 11:45 am
@ Don & Ruby
I never saw either of you give any feedback on the statements made by Public Health England or the WHO regarding the PCR ‘test’?
Just out of curiosity.
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Was there some obligation on my part to do so?
@Ruby
‘Was there some obligation on my part to do so?’
Only if you want any credibility after your blanket ‘anti vaxxer’ shite, rubes
@Al-Stuart – Regarding what you say about whistleblowers; I have recommended that the Institution of Civil Engineers and the Engineering Council advise their members against being whistleblowers in Scotland.
At the moment, they advise their members to do it as it accords with an engineer’s ethical duties, but I have advised them against recommending it here.
They think that the same laws which protect whistleblowers apply all-over the UK. I have told them they do not apply here in Scotland.
Believe it or not, I have spent about £50k to be a whistleblower in Scotland. Removal of a whistleblowers career and means to make a living is part and parcel of Holyrood.
This is not an SNP problem, but it affects all of Holyrood and all of our legal profession.
J.o.e says:
2 June, 2021 at 11:57 am
@Ruby
‘Was there some obligation on my part to do so?’
Only if you want any credibility after your blanket ‘anti vaxxer’ shite, rubes
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No idea what ‘blanket ‘anti vaxxer’ shite’ is?
Sounds pretty nasty!
In my defence I did repost the reply Dr Morag Kerr gave to Pixywine vis a vis PCR tests.
“Morag says:
You have been reading fake-news rubbish from conspiracy-theory web sites. Give it up.
It’s bad enough having to watch the monumental mess all the British governments are making of trying to handle this pandemic without also having to listen to completely off-the-wall rubbish from raving nutcases who wouldn’t know a PCR machine if they tripped over one.”
So Joey does that give me some credibility?
Yes Don, that Eire.
Should they give up their independence and be welcomed back in to the nurturing bosom of dear old England so that they can be in the exact same position as Scotland?
@Ruby
No, it doesn’t. I don’t care how well Morag can dismiss statements made from official health bodies, I don’t care how well you can try to emulate her either.
The fact is you are still deliberately not addressing the points I made and instead are using the response someone else made to someone else as some kind of answer. That is fucking pathetic.
The fact is – nobody responded to what I posted from the WHO and Public health England.
Stoker says:
2 June, 2021 at 11:28 am
Recent attacks against The Rev and his friends are nothing new.
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I hadn’t read that article but I was aware of the ‘AhDinnaeKen’ blog.
Robbo,
You’re busy misinterpretating my views, you do realise I asked you to explain your view, don’t you?
I was rather looking forward to your thoughtless meanderings and your explanation for them.
Surely, there has to be something of substance rattling about in your head?
I’m eager to hear it.
@ Captain Yossarian at 11:10 am
Sorry, not buying you’re point that this is solely a Scottish problem. I am not denying there are issues in Scotland, there are, but you even mention there are plenty disasters elsewhere on the planet, plus you bring in the point I made about the Party politics element of who has control at each level of “Government”, along with the layers of accountability and tribal nature of the politics involved which brings in many factors that allow the malfeasance to continue rather than be routed out.
Chilcot, and Grenfell Inquiries were dealing with far more significant issues than a school suffering from subsidence and they weren’t particularly conclusive or damning in their respective findings of holding those responsible to account. Hardly a Yay! for the UK with them.
You also mention the press not covering and whistleblowing this stuff. Well just how does that same press lean in the constitutional question of Scotland status…
We know fine well the press and BBC are in the pocket of the Unionists. Broadcasting is of course a power reserved to Westminster.
We’ve been screaming on here for years about their silence on calling SNP out on some of the big bad stuff they have been involved in, but the MSM will churn out weeks on end of “Scotland Bad” when a dead pigeon in a hospital water tank causes a health issue, or a chunk of ice falls onto the lane of the Queensferry Crossing due to inclement climatic conditions, but for some reason won’t go near the more important stuff.
Aye, there may be millions involved in rectifying that primary school’s problem, but there were also millions of pounds wasted on the debacle to set up Alex Salmond, yet barely any heat from the UK MSM for those involved in that flawed and failed process.
A decent, honest, and unbiased press would report on this stuff, but it doesn’t, that task is left to a dozen or so committed individuals to inform us of what is going on.
J.o.e says:
The fact is – nobody responded to what I posted from the WHO and Public health England.
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Awww diddums!
J.o.e.
I have noticed a few times that our thoughts sometimes on the bigger picture have similarities on a wide subject matter.
I do not always have time to respond as I keep myself deliberately busy,
Not sure of your age group, but I am the older generation, therefore remember how things used to work,
There were things in the past that needed improvement to function properly, from better housing to financial help for the poor. and yet there were areas in life that worked perfectly well and were good for the people in general,
Using the wisdom of years That acts as a balancing scale to see what is happening now in our culture
Certainly the centralising of groups such as Police , NHS , Councils shops, and counties into larger regions etc is and has been detrimental to the the well-being of all populations,
When everything Was on your doorstep and these groups were local then they had the knowledge that we could walk in, write, go to meetings and hold them accountable,
Nowadays you have no idea where they are based, who owns them, or if they are even in your country
I am Not great with computers, however they are very good for researching topics, and giving me and others a new wider outlook On life, but as with every thing, the foundations for making judgements on the internet must come with the ability to balance elements of truth with deliberate propaganda for control of people,
Governments and generals do use and study psychological behaviour patterns over long the term and its use is well documented,
I watched a film, it was a 1953 film before I went to bed last night, and it mentioned cloud seeding to change weather patterns, nowadays the powers that be call this a conspiracy theory and do there best to derogate any one mentioning it, but through research find that, bill gates has patients out on this.
There was such a time when governments around the world used to say ufologists were crazy nutters, now this year it’s all over the news with footage that comes from army and navy supposedly.
What do you believe, of corse electricity was original perceived as something very bad by ordinary people, something to be feared,
Again through the years I have lived I am able to use my own judgement on climate change,
When photographs from my own childhood, and newspaper headlines covering centuries are used in addition from around the world we can see climate change this century is nothing new. And is more inclined to be a living breathing natural cycle of our planet, it has its good centuries and its bad ones,
And you never see these climate change enthusiasts stop using their cars, buses or trains, stop polluting the air when flying to holidays destinations, stop using TVs, stop having mobile phones or computers, stop buying plastic based shoes or rid themselves of central heating, they use plastic throwaway nappies for their children and buy them plastic toys, use weed killers in their gardens and concrete slabs for paths, they all travel miles by modern polluting traffic methods to go to climate change rallies and marches,
Greta Thunberg does not cycle or walk around the world and uses a mobile phone and a computer,
She does not revert back to caveman style living, her home is made of materials gouged from the ground and environment. Plastic coated wiring and cement foundations, timber and slates extracted from the earth on a massive scale, These people are false prophets.
It is indeed a weapon used for controlling the mass populations. And reset for the build back better mantra spoken by all world leaders,
Better for whom us or them.
‘Awww diddums!’
Very cute. But i’ll run that through google translate and it comes out:
‘nope, I can’t answer what you posted from PHE and the WHO, so I won’t try’.
That’s that settled then.
Cheers
Sigh.
All the SNP has to do is not be Douglas Ross. The bar is so low they had to get the mole people in to set it.
Dan – The Grenfell Inquiry hasn’t finished yet. What it said, and it said this straight away, is that when a problem is first reported then you get it investigated; not years later, after there’s a fatal accident.
Our Cole Inquiry said exactly the same thing and that was only in 2017.
Get it investigated by experts straight way. You don’t leave it to a member of the public to do that. That’s what they did at Grenfell and that’s why they are all in Court and they are doing the same at this school.
I agree with you on the Salmond Inquiry and if this had happened in London then the London Evening Standard would have had an entirely different outlook on it and that would have resulted in a different outcome, and many changes, for all at Holyrood.
My MSP is the forensic MSP for Dumbarton and I think all would agree that she is one of the best MSP’s at Holyrood. Two things: Number 1: What is she doing to persuade her Labour Party colleagues on the council to get this checked? Number 2: What is she doing to see that her constituent is protected?
I have recently asked her these specific questions and she didn’t answer.
In the conext of this, I find it difficult to pin-point what Holyrood actually stands for. Do you know?
The point of the Grenfell Inquiry and the Cole Inquiry is that Holyrood should learn from these inquiries and they obviously aren’t learning from them.
Once there’s an accident, this situation changes entirely. Even if it’s a minor accident without injuries, it will be very expensive.
One last thing, Dan: When I say it’s an all-Scottish problem, what I mean is it doesn’t happen in England, it only happens in Scotland and, in some ways, it’s a repeat of the Salmond case. There are two reasons for that. Reason number-1 is Holyrood and reason number-2 is our legal profession. I think that both need to do a hell of a lot better.
Captain yossarian.
Holyrood stands for a subdivision arm of Westminster, a sub branch of rule run by the head of state and the crown.
Don says:
Here you go Don, I live in Ireland and receive an old age pension for only 15 years of their equivalent of N.I. It is 30% higher than my UK pension
this is how a country run by Scots, for the benefit of Scots, could look:
link to rte.ie
All this on total tax revenues of €59 billion p.a – Scotland’s total tax take is around £68 billion.
Price Waterhouse Cooper (well known independence supporters – not) had a methodology called Total Tax contribution, and they applied it to the UK Oil and Gas Industry. Here is their report:
link to pwc.co.uk
Look at Page 4, the last paragraph before figure 1 – the figure is £30.1 billion. That’s more than the Barnett formula transfer that year, from 1 industry alone. Hence the panic and Project Fear.
Al-Stuart says:
2 June, 2021 at 10:48 am
.
I agree with most of what you said.
This part, however
Breeks, you will know the answer to your questions. The truth will out. Eventually.
I’m just not so sure.
You see there are things that took place well over a hundred years ago about which we know nothing.
And that is because those things STILL have political potency. They shape the way the UK operates to this day. And *they* don’t want us to know.
THAT is the problem with an hereditary monarchy. The truth NEVER gets out. Only some limited hangout designed to placate the plebs.
First , a monarch does things that are wrong and illegal. They use their power to cover it up, to provide plausible deniability to those who are their successors.
When that monarch dies, their successor again uses their power to cover up. Should some of it leak to the public it is managed as a limited hangout. The successor monarch declares “I knew nothing.”
AND WHO CAN PROVE OTHERWISE?
And so it continues, with each monarch first hiding, then building upon the acts and actions of their predecessors. Decade after decade after decade.
Until the point we have reached today, where the general public have no idea as to HOW they are governed, WHO governs them, and WHERE exactly power is located in the United Kingdom.
I’ll give you just two examples:
How many people know that what we call “The Cabinet” is actually a committee, the Executive Committee, of the privy council?
How many people know that the Chief Whip must be an employee of the Royal Household, giving an effective veto to the monarch?
Captain,
You make some good point & I agree (though with very limited knowledge) that the school situation is a disgrace.
But JB a good MSP? Even the Labour party take the piss.
I’ll cut you some slack, as you appeared during the enquiry. She looked good there, because she understood the brief & everyone else was so hopelessly useless.
But & it’s a big but, she thinks that having nukes in Faslane because if the jobs weren’t there the “big” Tesco would close. Tosh on at least 2 points, there would be other jobs taking the place & the “big” Tesco employs 30 people.
The JB calculator is a much mocked item, she can’t do basic maths.
I know the hurdles are set high to clear, but to pretend JB is in anyway competent is hilarious, but not funny.
Expand your reading on her accomplishments or lack of, then please reconsider how you refer to her.
Unless of course you’re being sarcastic, in which I’ll happily look a fool for misinterpreting you.
There are fewer than 500 jobs in Scotland that are
dependent on having nuclear weapons on our soil.
A nuclear free Scotland would need its own ships, which would be more than
10% of the U.K. fleet as they will be sold or traded the nuclear subs for their
own back yard. We would have no need for Aircraft Carriers that cost £10’s Billions
To build and run.
We will also create jobs from developing our own ports for import export rather
than transport everything to Tillbury Docks in England.
In case anyone is interested:
I requested, and have now received, a refund from the SNP for my donation to their (not) ring-fenced referendum crowd-funder.
This happened quite quickly (I contacted them on Sunday), so they must have decided to not contest such requests. It will be interesting to see where these refunds appear in the accounts (not till 2021-2 accounts are filed, presumably, so ages away).
@Keith fae Leith – 2 things: The forensic MSP from Dumbarton is my constituency MSP and, in the situation I am in, I’m dependant upon her. Also, and in the context of many of our Ministers and newly appointed Ministers, I do think she is better than they are.
The Scottish Government chap who wrote the letter which said: “First of all, I am disappointed by the implication in your letter that we have not taken your concerns seriously. I can assure you that we have all spent a great deal of time investigating and that we have reached a conclusion that you neither like nor agree with does not mean that we have dismissed your concerns or not taken them seriously”. Well he was ‘Head of Schools Infrastructure Unit’ back then; that was almost 5-years ago. He was moved sideways pretty quickly and has been ‘Head of Outcome Agreement Unit’ ever since. Only, his remit from the Deputy First Minister was NOT to get this outcome agreed, it was to make sure it was never, ever agreed. Therefore, he has been paid for the past 5-years for sitting in a chair.
Time has caught-up with this chap and he now has reports from an expert hydrology consultant and a retired Professor of Civil Engineering on his desk. What does he do now? If he issues them, he’s bust and if he doesn’t issue them then everyone is bust. That’s the way I see it. They have been lying on his desk for 8-weeks and I’ll bet he’s having sleepless nights because of it.
When the forensic MSP from Dumbarton says to me: ‘Everyone that needs to know about this does know and no-one agrees with you’ – who she actually means is this chap and John Swinney. In that respect, I do agree with you and it amounts to mis-leading everyone which could have significant implications for all. She should really be doing much better and I’m sure she knows that. These folk aren’t experts in engineering, they are political grifters and the forensic MSP from Dumberton shouldn’t be listening to them.
You’ll have noticed that John Swinney has been moved sideways too so, presumably to take him out of the firing line.
There’s an old industry saying: ‘Don’t get sucked into the vortex’; If there’s a problem, get it fixed early because, if you don’t, then it may be impossible to fix later-on.
I think that’s what they have just found-out.
The important thing here is: ‘Am I right or am I wrong’ and we’re just waiting for the answer to that.
Let no-one forget that we are discussing the safety of 450No kids here. Engineers know that straight away, Holyrood parliamentarians do not.
Hi Captain,
As I said earlier, I’m with you on the school front, but I think you have misplaced faith in the ability of your Constituency MSP.
She has only ever looked remotely competent in a committee enquiry setting, which is great, much needed & certainly from what little I have seen, there is a dearth of people who can understand their brief & ask appropriate questions.
She & Andy Wightman were the only 2 on that committee.
Again, I agree with your points regarding the school, the uselessness of Swinney & his underling.
I would have thought you would know JB’s reputation from all sides of the political sphere, given that you have just voted for her.
Given that you ask the right questions with regard to the Engineering side of things, I’m trying to help you realise that
if JB is the answer, you’re asking the wrong question.
@Keith fae Leith – You sound like an old cynic. The Secretary of State for Scotland and the two Teaching Unions are pursuing this too.
The Institution of Civil Engineers have been around for two-hundred years and have seen it all before. They don’t listen to flannel from Holyrood or Victoria Quay or the Council. They have known about it for only 6-weeks, but things are starting to happen already.
By the way, I was taught engineering at the Headquarters of the City Council, that was back in the days when it was part of the University and was full of honesty guys who knew what they were doing.
The political scene in Scotland really is desperately poor, isn’t it? I have worked overseas a few times and there they tended to round them all-up and take them to the local jail for a 6-year stretch. That worked fabulously well.
Keith fae Leith
I have looked long and hard but cannot see anyone better and more competent than J. Baillie in ANY political party in Scotland apart from Alex Salmond. It simply goes to show the dearth of political talent in Scotland and/or Westminster.
What is the question?
@chas – let me answer this if I may; who is responsible for taking forward the case of a whistleblower in Scotland? To make sure his/her claims are investigated and to make sure that he/she is protected?
The system doesn’t work in Scotland. Everyone assumes that it does, but it doesn’t.
A very timely piece – just nineteen minutes after my post above….
link to theguardian.com
(Bolding is mine)
The British people, including the Scottish people, have no idea what’s going on.
Absolutely nothing they are told about the royals can be believed.
“There are fewer than 500 jobs in Scotland that are
dependent on having nuclear weapons on our soil.”
Effigy.
Yes that is correct, it might even be less now that Capita has cut specialised fire crews to deal with fires on and off the nuclear subs. Of course when BritNats like (Jackie Baillie) mention Faslane/Coulport, it suddenly becomes thousand of jobs at stake.
Faslane will on independence be the primary base for our navy which will employ far more than 500 folk, if there is 500 domestic jobs at present on the base, which again I have my reservations of the veracity of that number.
GC
Good post.
The problem for us is that this most basic of info never mind the rest never gets properly exposed to the public. The unionist MSM especially television controls the mind of the average Scot and they believe what they are told without questioning the facts. The demonizing of Alba being the latest.
Unless we can find an effective way to counter this we trully face an uphill struggle.