Wings Over Scotland

@ Captain Yossarian at 1:09 pm

I suspect we are pretty much in agreement with regard to there being a need for reform of various functions of the State so as to properly hold power to account.
How we achieve these aims is probably where we differ in opinion.
The archaic undemocratic setup of the UK has long been able to fudge stuff as and when required to eliminate threats that would significantly have a detrimental impact on the Establishment.
If you are happy to stay tied into that system that is your choice, I however hold the belief that the current UK setup does not not properly serve and protect the best interests of the majority of UK citizens.
Incidentally, my holiday home owning Labour supporting neighbour from down south in England is actually an advocate for ending the Union too, because he understands this would be pretty much the only way to initiate proper political reform in England that would better serve the majority of the people that live there.

TV in Scotland tonight-
English Test Cricket
English international Football
Bargain Brits on Benefits- in England
Skies above Britain
The Repair shop from England
Spring watch from England
British Sewing Bee
Building Britain’s Nuclear Power Plant- England
The Blitz- Bombing Bristol
Anne Boleyn English Queen

Scot Finlayson,
You are correct but Union Don says it costs more than that to take it out of the ground and we are lucky to be in the UK because Westminster picks up the bill. They’re doing us a favour really.

Dan says:
2 June, 2021 at 7:12 pm

The two bodies that have moved this along most are Public Concern at Work and the Institution of Civil Engineers. Both are charities and are based in London. They don’t find this complex at-all. In fact, they find it straighforward.

In Scotland, we have Professors of Law, Advocates, Directors of law firms, QC’s and Teaching Unions. They’ve been looking at it for years and cannot work-out what to do next. No-one will ask because no-one communicates.

Effigy

I don’t have a TV but I am shocked at the schedule you have listed above.

Wow! Talk about being colonised!

That is truly frightening.

Effigy
Between expats and our ‘Rangers’ inclined countrymen, there’s a fair sized audience here, ready to jingo.

It crossed my mind the other day that pre indyref, one would be shooshed for pointing out the cultural hijacking by the Anglo talking heads on our media, and of our institutions.

As if it weren’t deliberate.

Effigy
yeah its all England England. Watched a documentary the other week about the blitz on ` Britain` and it was all about England London and Coventry. Never a mention of Clydebank whose fatalities were twice that of Coventry.
This country is rapidly being cleansed of its identity and its citizens don’t appear to mind. Unbelievable.

@cynicalHIghlander (10.19) –

I appreciate the response, but you haven’t addressed the question.

Would you take personal responsibility for deciding on behalf of someone who can’t or won’t?

Are you confident that you are informed enough to make that decision for someone else?

@cynicalHighlander (11.02) –

Good luck.

@Ian Brotherhood says:
2 June, 2021 at 11:18 pm

@cynicalHighlander

Sorry I can’t be more helpful so good luck to all involved in the dilemma. Not easy.

Ian B

Tough gig there, defo NOT AZ !

Pfisser seams to be the younger generations best option?
I have no knowledge on Moderna or 1 shot J&J

Any update or news on the Livingstone Company getting approval?

From what I understand they have a totally different approach.

@Captain Yossarian 11:39pm
I know but the emperor has no clothes. We have 3 choices. We endure for another 5 years, we leave Scotland, or the unpalatable option. The Institutions have failed. And speaking as someone that has delivered lots of engineering projects across Scotland within an Institution. It’s very sad. Don’t look for intellect in the Scottish Government. It’s not there. We are not too wee or stupid etc but we are too corrupt.

@Tackety Beets 2 June, 2021 at 11:31 pm

“Extraction costs is $12.5 per barrel as confirmed in early 2015 by Stat Oil Ceo on GMS”

2015 ? 🙂 🙂

You clearly think you know better than one of the SNP’s top economists and the writer of the SNP Growth Comission Report ?

“In comments broadcast in a radio interview, Andrew Wilson – who chairs the party’s Growth Commission – conceded that any future economic case for independence should not include North Sea oil revenues.” link to dailybusinessgroup.co.uk

Robert Hughes 2 June, 2021 at 7:38 pm

“My impression” And there lies your problem, its just your “impression ” and not actually any real facts behind it , you should try to learn some basic economics and try to work out for yourself who really “has most to lose” 🙂 🙂
link to ifs.org.uk

@ Breastplate 2 June, 2021 at 7:34 pm

“Oh I forgot to mention that he thinks Ireland is clamouring to get back into the Union because they’re skint too, like Scotland.
If it wasn’t for our English cousins I’m not sure where we would be.”

I said nothing of the sort , your just doing what you do best ie “bullshittihg” link to bit.ly

Tannadice Boy says:
2 June, 2021 at 11:49 pm

I intend to wait and see an outcome and that should be soon. The final scenario for me is to leave Scotland and I’ve already told the lawyers that. For me, the most disappointing have been the lawyers. You trust them to do something and you pay them and they do nothing. You have to do everything yourself.

Meg merrilees

Going back to your post regarding the TV schedule.I had to watch the Scotland game via an online stream as I don’t have Sky.Watching it on my tablet my stream crashed with about 10 minutes to go so I turned on the Engerland game around the 78 minute mark.I’m not sure who the commentators were but they took great delight in conveying the message that the Netherlands had equalised in the 88th minute to make it 2 each.The co commentator then remarkably informed us that he couldn’t pretend he wasn’t delighted with this and had to “scolded” by the commentator.All on STV ffs,talk about colonization and propaganda on the airwaves.

Robert Hughes

You wrote “My impression is a majority of English people are benignly indifferent to what Scotland aspires to…”

… I have been saying this for years Robert … but you wont get many on here to accept that. Most folk here on Wings need/want English folk be against Scottish Independence. As has been discussed before, it’s some sort of warped variant of the Stockholm Syndrome.

Interesting reading from T I above concerning politics and football.
Given that the BLM movement in the US is mired in corruption and is being financed by the Democratic Party, is it not about time that our clubs stopped the ludicrous practice of players “Taking the Knee”

AS a long time Hearts supporter from back in the days of Conn, Bauld and Wardhaugh….and of course the Golden Boy himself, Alex Young, it upsets me to see the proud tradition of Scottish football reduced to a political scam.

It seems to me that in Scotland, colour prejudice is almost non-existent and only dredged up when in the interests of our disgusting political class, or the agenda driven woke left.

Stuart MacKay 3 June, 2021 at 8:38 am

“I see Rob Brown gives Kenny MacAskill a well deserved kicking:
I can see why Kenny said what he said but it has the ever so slight hint of appeasement which I didn’t not join the party to see”

What you mean is they all fully understand Scotlands finances and how the Fiscal Transfer works so don’t want to lose that to make Scotland a 16-20% poorer country than the rest of the UK. In other words they want to be able to keep their cake and eat it too and are just trying a massive cons trick on Scotland (well gullible Nationalists at least) instead to try to achieve that. Look at the mess Scotland is in right now and it would be much worse when they got the full powers to do whatever they want, they just want power without responsibility but want England to pay for their cock up’s and uselessness.
I bet ifyou asked Kenny he would tell you that the SNP feel exactly the same too.

How Socialism actually works in the UK
link to fraserofallander.org

link to ifs.org.uk

Sensible Dave .

Yes , but ……you only have to look at the comment section of * certain * English tabloids to see that there does exist that % of fervently pro-Unionists who have a pretty contemptuous view of Scots and – despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary , believe England massively subsidises Scotland ( hi Don/Nod ) and that the latter would collapse into absolute penury without the magnanimous generosity of our neighbours .

Still , as I said , these are a minority as is the % of Scots that are reflexively anti-English .

Worth restating that many Scots are very hostile to the overbearing English influence/control within the Union and not to English people per se

Don,

“they just want power without responsibility but want England to pay for their cock up’s and uselessness.”

You’re a hypocrite. You claim Scotland can’t afford independence and need to scrounge off England, you are the person on here advocating that Scotland should not accept responsibility or make its own decisions.

This is exactly what you are accusing the “gullible nationalists” of.

Admit that you are an imbecile and I’m sure people will make allowances for your tripe.

We’re doing pregnant women now, are we? The good ol’ appeal to emotion fallacy. For a start, it’s not your place to be telling your adult offpsring what they should be doing. Never mind on a subject on which you are not an expert on.

A sensible parent would be telling their daughter that they should be asking their GP in the first instance and asking to be referred to a consultant obgyn if they want more answers. A sensible parent would be telling their daughter that they support them fully in their decision.

Of course, the best thing you can do is get yourself vaccinated. Not everyone can receive a vaccine which is why it is important that those around vulnerable people get vaccinated because that is how herd immunity works.

Speaking of sensible. I hadn’t posted a response to your earlier comment because the thread had returned to a sensible topic and I went off and had a social life with friends and bars and restaurants. Who’d have thought the new world order would have beer!

You linked to a tweet making reference to a Dr Simone Gold,

“Dr. Simone Gold – terrifying if true…”

If true…? That means there’s no actual evidence that it is, just the word of an individual on a video. So who is Dr Simone Gold? Well, she’s a Stanford educated lawyer and an emergency physician. Those are pretty impressive credentials however, good education does not create good people.

Simone Gold is the founder behind the right-wing group, Frontline Doctors, who claimed that a malaria treatment worked against COVID. When multiple studies failed to verify this conclusion, the reply was that the evidence isn’t needed. It just works.

link to archive.is
link to archive.is
link to archive.is

Unsurprisingly, when a solution came along which wasn’t theirs they changed to attacking it, again with no evidence. I’m sure she’ll continue to give reputable legal and medical advice from her prison cell.

link to rt.com

The Disunited Kingdom

I wonder if Stu will post this today?

@Breastplate 3 June, 2021 at 9:45 am

“You’re a hypocrite. You claim Scotland can’t afford independence and need to scrounge off England, you are the person on here advocating that Scotland should not accept responsibility or make its own decisions.”

Yet again just making up what i said to suit yourself as always, the only hypocrites are people like you who continue to pretend Scotand won’t be 16%-20% worse off with Independence. Scotland could be Independent but poorer for that, its only people like yourselves that are such hypocrites that you have spent decades campaigning that Scotland would be richer and thus better off instead of campaigning honestly. The truth is that lies are all you have because your all too wee and too dishonest to campaign truthfully to the Scottish people , you are in fact nothing but deceitful grifters attempting not only to con the Scottish People but to con yourselves too.

How come the SNP’s own Head of its Growth Commission paper can only make a case for Indy in the Financial Times now by deliberately missing out £7bn of annual spending Scotland already has right now ?

Public Services are paid for from Taxes raised , Higher Taxes are raised from Areas of higher population density than rural ones which cost more to support than they raise.

As the Highlands and Islands all receive Fiscal Transfers from Scotlands higher Tax raising Central belt (“Subsidies” if you want though) we can only suppose that you want those stopped too ? Or perhaps your tiny insular mind hasn’t stretched to thinking about that issue yet ? Such clueless hypocritical fecks some of you are.
9 Regions of the UK are net receivers of Fiscal Transfers INCLUDING areas of England.
3 Regions of the UK are net providors of those Fiscal Transfers

How hard can it be to understand , too hard for people like you though LOL. This is ahow a Socialist system works , if you want to leave it then campaign for that but at least tell the fecking truth of the implications of doing that instead of spending your pitiful whole lives trying to lie to Scotland of the only truhful outcome of it.
link to fraserofallander.org

link to ifs.org.uk

I wonder if Stu is looking at the quality of the posts and asking himself WTF he is paying money to run a blog that caters for flame-baiting Unionists.

@Stuart MacKay 3 June, 2021 at 10:03 am

“Riddle me this, Master of Economics. Since Theresa May and Boris Johnson have refused the democratic right of the Scottish people to self determination does that open the door to the issue of reparations in the future divorce settlement?

As far as I can see the clock is already ticking on that one and the bill is going to be huge.”

Reparations ? Seriously Stuart ? I’m afraid this idea has no foundation in real fact and the only reason you think it exists is because of circulating nonsense propaganda in the Nationalist Echo chamber. Your clearly a thoughtful bloke on many issues and i can see why many might beleive in “reparations” but only if they didn’t understand the real recorded economic numbers that already exists on the Scot Gov Website. Do you ever hear of any Senior serious Natioanlsit Politicians calling for reparations ? No , so why do you think that is ? Its because if they did they would get laughed off the park, Scotland (like many other regions of the UK) has only paid for its own Public Services ONCE in around the last 24 years (back in 2012 IIRC).

I’m presuming you think these imaginary reparations are based on Oil revenues ? What have been happening to Oil Revenues in the last 10 years and are only going to get worse as we move to electric cars ?
In the words of many Nationalists themselves “you need to understand the McCrone report ” (do listen the whole way through) link to bit.ly

There is also a much longer and better Radio interview with McCrone here (who seems a Nationalist himself to me) link to bbc.co.uk

Its not too hard to see that as we move towards an end of the Oil Era that Scotlands “Balance of payments” will be going to continue going the wrong direction. We probably are already now passed the breakeven point of having received all North Sea Oil Revnues back in the form of Fiscal Transfers back to Scotland (including thoughout the 1990’s as McCrones own words)
Do try to check out the graph on this link as it should demonstrate pretty quickly why the idea of “reparations” is simply invented ficton. link to reaction.life

Ian Brotherhood says:
3 June, 2021 at 10:24 am
@Balaaargh (10.03) –

You shirk the question.

Plenty of people, for all sorts of reasons, cannot make informed decisions and must rely on others. They have no choice.

If such a person asked for your advice – because they trust you and value your take on things – what would it be? You approve of getting the jag. We all understand that. But which one would you recommend, and why?

Reply

How would you answer that question Ian?

@Ruby (10.40) –

I think you already know what my answer would be.

But I asked Balaaargh.

If you would like to have a stab at it while we’re waiting for ‘him’, go ahead.

@Ian Brotherhood 3 June, 2021 at 10:24 am

“You shirk the question.
Plenty of people, for all sorts of reasons, cannot make informed decisions and must rely on others. They have no choice.

If such a person asked for your advice – because they trust you and value your take on things – what would it be? You approve of getting the jag. We all understand that. But which one would you recommend, and why?”

I doubt there is much between either of them , any serious side effects among hundreds of millions of doses given have been small (although bad outcomes can and do happen) overall they are all of net benefit and the greater good has to be the only sensible route.
Even the Pfizer Vaccine is showing a small amount of side effects now link to reuters.com

There are even concerns now that the UK may not even reach “Herd Immunity ” with Vaccines if the younger age groups don’t get vaccinated and that would be a very bad thing because there are genuine people can’t get vaccinated becaase of existing illesses and not reaching Herd Immunity would leave those people more vulnerable. link to bit.ly

Don’t feed the Troll folks.

You’re not engaging with a discussion. There’s only one way traffic, so save your breath, ignore, and invariably they get bored and piss off. They’re just attention seekers who get their jollys upsetting people and butting in to disrupt people’s conversations.

I know, I sometimes succumb myself. It’s easily done. But not feeding the troll has shown itself to be effective. Let them suffer the raised blood pressure. Dinnae bite.

Whether it’s Don spouting shite, or whether it’s the BBC pouring their pish into your living room, don’t watch, don’t listen, certainly don’t pay for them. Basically, – Don’t feed the Troll.

Ian Brotherhood says:
3 June, 2021 at 10:50 am
@Ruby (10.40) –

I think you already know what my answer would be.

But I asked Balaaargh.

If you would like to have a stab at it while we’re waiting for ‘him’, go ahead.

Reply

Sorry I do not know your answer.
I do not read every post on this forum.
Could you re-post your answer? Cheers

I wouldn’t be offering advice to anyone vis a vis vaccines especially not vulnerable people who are unable to make decisions.

You asked Balaaargh and I’m asking you. Is that a problem?

Ruby 3 June, 2021 at 11:15 am
The only advice I’m wanting to ask others at the moment is about ‘The Irish Protocol”.
What is that all about? Sounds like a big mess.
The Alex Salmond Show was interesting.

Lord Wigley said perhaps the UK would unravel in the same order as it was formed”

And you heard this on Putins propaganda channel Aye ?

Breeks 3 June, 2021 at 11:00 am

“You’re not engaging with a discussion. There’s only one way traffic, so save your breath, ignore, and invariably they get bored and piss off. They’re just attention seekers who get their jollys upsetting people and butting in to disrupt people’s conversations.

I know, I sometimes succumb myself. It’s easily done. But not feeding the troll has shown itself to be effective. Let them suffer the raised blood pressure. Dinnae bite.”

Its always funny how people like you when they have no answers can only run away back to your bunkers to hide from the truths none of you can face or that many of you don’t even appear to have the ability to be able to understand for yourselves , no wonder the Rev has had to take an extended break from you , working in a mental institution for too long must surely take its toll after so many years.

Talk of ‘Home Rule in the UK’ is rekindled in the media. Staunch believer in indy, Kenny MacAskill ALBA MP, discusses the idea here:

‘Home Rule in the UK’: link to wp.me

Don

I notice you avoided answering the question.

Any contractual arrangement or union has to be freely entered into by both parties. If one party fails to live up to the terms of the contract then some form of remediation is clearly due. If the Union fails to respect the wishes either party and “false imprisonment” is the result, then I’d expect any court to take punitive action against the offending party.

Oil revenues? Don’t make me laugh. They wouldn’t even cover the first item on the list. I’m looking for numbers commensurate with the size of the tobacco settlement in the USA, except larger. Much, much larger.

@Ruby 3 June, 2021 at 10:21 am

“I wonder if Stu is looking at the quality of the posts and asking himself WTF he is paying money to run a blog that caters for flame-baiting Unionists.”

I wondered too if Stu is looking at the quality of the posts from mental conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers and thinking “Thank Feck i’m away from all that” It does appear that what many of you just want is a comfort echo chamber alone where you can all just comfortably spout complete utter bollocks to each other constantly unchallenged without having to face any reality at all ? Has anyone actually noticed yet what Stu have been telling them for months ? The SNP or Alba for that matter have no actual plans for Independence for the one reason that no reaon exists for it.

Stuart MacKay says:
3 June, 2021 at 11:29 am
Don

I notice you avoided answering the question.

Reply

‘Donsie the half witted Unionist Flame-baiting troll’ caught another fish.

🙂

Stuart MacKay 3 June, 2021 at 11:29 am

“I notice you avoided answering the question.”

I answered the question just fine , you just didn’t get the answer that you wanted to see.

“Reparations” is just another wholly invented greivance whether through ignorance or just deliberate deceit on your part i cannot say.
Scotland joined the Union to get out of a financial mess left by the Darien Scheme failure and Scotland never looked back since joining and the numbers exist to prove that but instead of providing them i’m sure some Nationalist blogger with absolutely no numerical knowledge or financial understanding somewhere will have made up some wholly invented fantasy Blog (because its only after all what Nationslistsm do best)

Feel free to provide actual numerical evidence to abck up your claims for “reparations” ? But we know your not going to to that other than yet another fictitous list of imagined greivances

@James Che

I appreciate the older folk more and more as time passes. I left school in the late 90’s so you can roughly guess my age group.

The mental problems the younger generations could be facing now is beyond imagining if they do not gain a proper logical framework from which to view it.

What is that all about? Sounds like a big mess.

The Irish Protocol is arranged agreed by Westminster and the EU whereby Northern Ireland essentially enjoys the benefits of EU Membership, whilst remaining part of the UK.

It’s in trouble, because like the Treaty of Union, it is essentially a “convention” designed to do something which cannot properly be done, so there’s a delicate game of brinkmanship to determine where the bit that’s done improperly occurs, with minimal repercussion or consequence. In other words, where the fudge occurs, and the inevitable convention put in place to obscure the guddle.

The EU needs, and will have, a border to it’s Membership, the Good Friday Agreement prevents that Border being in Ireland, but the Westminster Government loses face if that Border is a line in the Irish Sea cutting off Northern Ireland.

The UK Government is going to lose, but “somehow” pretend it’s won, and that’s going to leave Northern Ireland’s Unionists wondering if they’ve duped, and getting very angry once they realise they have been, and that Ireland has taken a big step towards a United Ireland. The “improper” thing I mentioned was the UK agreeing there wouldn’t be a Border in Ireland, as stipulated in the Good Friday Agreement, but bullshitting everybody about a Schrödinger’s cat Border, which is both there, but not there, at the same time.

In the real world however, where things have consequences, there WILL be a border in the Irish Sea, or, the UK will align itself so close to the EU and accept EU jurisdiction, but then, that defeats the whole principle of Brexit.

So yeah. Big mess is just about right.

…It’s in trouble, because like the Treaty of Union, it is essentially a “convention” designed to do something which cannot properly be done, so there’s a delicate game of brinkmanship to determine where the bit that’s done improperly occurs, with minimal repercussion or consequence. In other words, where the fudge occurs, and the inevitable convention put in place to obscure the guddle…

And if Scotland had a Government which actually wanted the Union to be in trouble and failing, that Scottish Government would be kicking up fk about trading advantage of one area of the UK over another, as constituting a material violation and breach of the 1707 Treaty of Union.

Unfortunately for Scotland, we DON’T have a pro-Independence government, we’ve got good-for-nothing Sturgeon.

Im very happy to take him on and I already have.

You’re getting sucked in J.o.e.

We ALL know you’ve addressed his questions. SO HAVE WE. Not just once, but multiple times.

I repeat myself, it’s neither a conversation or discussion you have with Don, or any other troll. He isn’t there to listen or be persuaded. If he was he’d have ran away to hide his ignorance and embarrassment weeks ago, but he sticks around posting his asinine links, which everybody with a few brain cells knows, have all been debunked over, and over, and over, and over again.

Just ignore the bait. Don’t feed the troll. He’ll get bored and fk off like all the others.

Nice deflection but it’s still deflection. My answer was in my post, if you choose to ignore it then that reflects on you.

I am satisfied with my personal research. I am satisfied that vaccines work and that most of these vaccines work. I haven’t done much reading on the three vaccines from the Chinese pharma companies mainly because most of it is in Chinese. The Sputnik V vaccine has produced good results despite initial Western scepticism. I am satisfied that actual qualified experts have examined the data from the trials, questioning assumptions and other flaws where necessary. I understand that the massive propagation of false narratives in this age of the internet will worry some people who don’t know how to separate the sense from the nonsense. But that relates to me, and me only.

It would be irresponsible for me or you as a non-medical expert to be recommending any vaccine to anyone else. If my hypothetical daughter decided not to get the vaccine, she’s still my daughter and I’m sitting in a beer garden in Edinburgh with excellent 5G knowing that she benefits from my protection.

Vaccines work. They protect not only the individual but have a cumulative effect across the whole of society. And they have done for two centuries.

And if these ones didn’t work, do you really think that after centuries of eurocentric capitalist imperialism, the new world order would be testing mass rollouts on their own people when there are underdeveloped countries in Africa and Asia where cover-ups are easier?

She’s now starting to cite COP26 as an excuse to do nothing at all.

Was that FMQ’s Cenchos? I was going to watch but didn’t. I find her insufferable these days.

Breeks,
You are correct in that Don is not here to engage in any sort of debate but I would argue that he should be ridiculed nonetheless.
I do think it important that the Unionists put forward their arguments, regardless of how pitiful they are.
There are other trolls that should be ignored completely though.

@Balaaargh (12.48) –

If that was directed at me, I’ll leave it to others (including Ruby) to decide whether or not you answered the question.

@Balaarargh –

Whether you’ve answered it at all (let alone twice) is debatable.

And I made no mention of Simone Gold, for the simple reason that I don’t know who she is.

Breeks at 12.52:

‘Ms Sturgeon says she will take forward a range of ways Scotland can pursue its renewable energy potential. She says there is “lots of work” to be done in the lead-up to COP26 in Glasgow later this year.’

From B** Scotland website. I’m off to decontaminate now.

Ian Brotherhood says:
3 June, 2021 at 12:57 pm
@Balaaargh (12.48) –

If that was directed at me, I’ll leave it to others (including Ruby) to decide whether or not you answered the question.

Reply

What are you dragging me into now? I wasn’t interested in ‘Balaaargh’ answer I was interested in yours.

As others have said, don’t feed this Don troll as he is only trying to wind us up.
He represents all that makes us want independence.

Effigy,
I agree that restrictions for the best intentions can have detrimental consequences and not just the traffic calming efforts.

NuScotland…

link to twitter.com

Marion Millar has been charged Malicious Communications hate crime aggravator.

Sad day for Women’s Rights and Free Speech

Ruby,
If you want to ignore Don, then do so or better still, ignore me.

Breastplate says:
3 June, 2021 at 2:17 pm
Ruby,
If you want to ignore Don, then do so or better still, ignore me.

Reply

Ignore you?

If you get caught hook, line & sinker by ‘Flame-baiting Donsie” I might be very tempted to ridicule you.

Are you tough enough for that? 🙂

Ruby,
Why do you feel it necessary to whinge about other people’s posts.
Top tip, scroll by.

And so the persecutions begin.

link to ipetitions.com

Nally Anders.

And further more this particular women has suffered psychological torture at the hands of Police Scotland with a thinly veiled threat to have social workers come to her house to see her two children.

Twitter hasn’t complained or removed her tweets, and the woman in question is unsure of what the so called offending tweet is, the nature of which she is still not allowed to know.

Women’s rights in Scotland are under attack, free speech is under attack, we must defend both or face the consequences of not doing so.

It looks like Kenny MacAskill and a few other at the Alba party have sold Scotland out, I’m shocked.

link to jaggy.blog

Sorry guys… didn’t realise this had been posted… 😉

Effigy.
Your more than lucky,
We have had roads closed and blocked of here for more than two years, there are bridges down over railways and waterways the council have showed no signs of fixing, mending or reinstating, its been so long that if you try negotiating some of these potholed roads you scrape the bottom of your car, it’s not even safe for cyclists, never mind pushchairs or walkers,
These were main through roads for hundreds of years, gone with council policies in less than three years,
Locals to get home have to make detours from anything from 3 miles to ten miles.

Like I mentioned earlier in this site the council are reapportioning this land to themselves and other wealthy land owners, and we cannot challenge them for they are occupying every solicitor locally, and very expensive for anyone making a challenge legally. And a lot of this has been happening under lockdown rules when people cannot see what is happening out and about.

Robert Hughes

You wrote ” … English tabloids to see that there does exist that % of fervently pro-Unionists who have a pretty contemptuous view of Scots”.

Ah! You have made the mistake of confusing the “comments” sections (or Twitter, or most social media) with some sort of “poll” of what “normal” folk think. The same thing happens here on Wings – a most recent example being the perceived support for Alba here on Wings versus the actual support in the population.

On almost any issue that you care to name, their is a bell shaped curve of opinion from one extreme to the other. The vast majority of “normal” folk’s opinions fall in the central 90% of the curve – with a loony fringe existing at each margin. In general, it is mainly the loony fringe that feel compelled to write in comments, or on twitter, etc.

Please remember, Twitter/Facebook/Wings … is not “real” world and really should not be cited as providing the evidence for anything!

Thanks for your earlier comments Republic of Scotland
Completely agree.
Now we know for sure why ‘women’ as a characteristic, were not included for protection under the HCB.
A target has been painted on the back of women in Scotland, who choose to excercise their right to free speech.
Women won’t Wheest.

James Che.

I know about the 1707 Treaty of Union, and how the selling of Scotland took place in a cellar on the corner of an Edinburgh street where the offending document was signed by the treacherous bastards found here.

link to en.m.wikipedia.org

Meanwhile above the common man and woman who had no vote rioted in the streets reported by English spy Daniel Foe, who changed his name from Foe to Defoe to make himself appear more interesting.

Then of course their was the Equivalent some of which went on to go towards opening the Royal Bank of Scotland.

But none of this means anything to Sturgeon the Betrayer she isn’t interested in Scottish history or independence. We can talk all we want about the 1603 and 1707 treaties and our Declaration of Independence, but if our Scottish government isn’t really interested in Scottish independence, then that’s all it is just talk.

Regarding the school that’s sinking: Yesterday was the day that the Scottish Government’s ‘Head of Outcome Agreement Unit’ was going to present proof that this building was safe to our MSP’s.

I don’t know if he did that or not; I certainly haven’t heard anything. The problem has been that he would only present the information if he was instructed to do so and John Swinney was the only man able to do that. Surely John Swinney isn’t delaying this?

If it’s safe, then just provide the information. It isn’t complex. I hope he’s not still farting around with lawyers because people need to know.

One point I’ll add is that five Directors of engineering companies which were involved in this project have lost their jobs in recent years and so it will come as no surprise to anyone in the construction industry in Scotland if this building proves to be unsafe.

All I can say is that my information supports the opinion that it is unsafe. I hope I’m wrong of course, but I’m almost convinced that I am not wrong.

Over to you Mr Swinney.

Nally Anders.

Thanks for the link.

I’m totally flabbergasted that she’s being charged for putting a piccy up on her twitter page of a Suffragettes Ribbon.

In which Police Scotland are trying to say its a noose.

If it is the case that MM is being taken to court for a picture of a ribbon, the police person who charged her should also be charged with malicious prosecution. The legal process is now just being used to force people into silence, regardless of whether the charges will stick.

This is psychological terrorism being deployed against the populace.

Sensible Dave

Aye , fair point .

I lived and worked in London for years ( my son was born there to an English mother ) and I never experienced anything that could be remotely described as ” racism ” due to being Scottish : the only thing I could complain of was a bit of irritating stereotyping ie Scotland has 364 days of rain , Scots are mostly drunk/aggressive/talk ” funny ” , at times this had an element of condescension attached though mostly it was merely banter .

None of this changes the fact that Scotland comes out badly in the Union * arrangement * – we never agreed to , and , as that original comment Dan referred to said , both Scottish AND English people would be far better off – in every sense – if the Treaty of Union was slung in the dustbin of History where it belongs .

Home Rule in the UK: link to wp.me

Breastplate says:
3 June, 2021 at 2:26 pm
Ruby,
Why do you feel it necessary to whinge about other people’s posts.
Top tip, scroll by.

Reply
Why do I complain about responding to flame-baiting trolls?

In the hope that this forum will keep going and people won’t be put off by the flame-baiting trolls.

Basically I’m hoping for an interesting stimulating site.

My question for you is:

Why do you feel it necessary to give me tips?

Republic of Scotland.
Your right in one sense, it is just all talk, but not because the Scottish devolved government does not recognise it, they officially are not our government, they are a sub- division branch of Westminster parliament, discussed and decided upon it’s creation by Westminster.
For the rest of us who recognise the reality of the Scottish people not being in the treaty of the union it has different connotations,
It means we are not beholding to Westminster laws and legislation, it means we are not beholden to a devolved governments laws and legislation, it means we are not beholden to SNP new laws or legislation,
It means that when the Scots realise that not one of them are factually in the treaty of the union, ( ie signed into it).
Non of the above be it Westminster or the snp or the devolved Scottish government have any legal hold over us.
Placing legal facts aside for a moment.
Our biggest downfall here in Scotland Is the lack of belief an awful lot of Scots have in themselves.
And they quote this law or that law that is passed or legislated for in Westminster or Scottish devolved government,
But miserable fail to recognise that legally the Scots were never captured into English law by the treaty of the union, maybe for some they would like to believe this as it takes the responsibility out of their hands to act for themselves. Perhaps the trolls are correct in claiming the Scots like to see themselves as victims.
If as I believe due to historical facts we the people NEVER entered into a treaty, we are sovereign, we have the right to choose a total different government other than the snp corrupt devolved government or Englands Westminster governances.
Holyrude is under the auspices of Westminster, it follows what Westminster dictates.
We are sovereign, detached from the treaty of the union, we do not have to.
Wether we wake up and come together as sovereign people in Scotland, will be told in history books or on digital media in the years that follow,
To wee? To poor? Or just to scared and blinkered to take control of our own life’s I am not sure.
It would be fantastic if Alba scrutinised The facts regarding the legalities of 1707 treaty of the union.
We’re all hoping for a leader that outshines the rest in politics, to lead us forward,
But I have to question our leaders and wonder wether we are going to have to do this mammoth task ourselves.
Work together or fail together!

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But totally ignore their own legal position

Robert Hughes. 5.49

Good post

@RepublicofScotland

Next flu season might be one to remember. They were talking about ‘Covid 21’ last year and the ‘next pandemic’. You know, the same World Economic Forum types who are hailing Covid as a means to get the 4th Industrial revolution underway (all on video and in writing)

Of course it will have nothing to do with anything made by pharmaceutical corporations, obviously.

Republicofscotland

I understand it is in preparation for the Forthcoming Euro tournament.

I believe the Scottish government are preparing for what happens if the Scottish team meet the English team and they have to deal with the physical and mental fall out of Scottish fans superiority syndrome hitting a reality wall !

J.o.e @6.47pm.

I’m not quite sure that explanation flies, but worth a stab, however someone has emailed Ian Livingstone looking for a credible answer.

“Our biggest downfall here in Scotland Is the lack of belief an awful lot of Scots have in themselves.”

James Che, thanks for the reply much of which I agree with but not the above, our biggest downfall is our current FM who decided to save England from itself on Brexit instead of saving us from this rancid union.

If sturgeon wanted Scotland to become independent she would’ve held an indyref in 2016 onwards regardless of what Westminster thought about it, after all, as you say its the people of Scotland that are sovereign. She didn’t and has no intentions of doing so, we need an FM who will pursue independence vigorously until then we’ll remain an after thought in this f*cked up onesided good for nothing union.

Republicofscotland

You will understand, contrary to the common belief in Scotland, that English really fans really want Scotland to fail, and fail badly.

It’s like city fans wanting United to fail or Celtic fans wanting rangers to fail (how’s that working out?).

As always, England fans approach the tournament with high hopes and v low expectations.

Just to kick things off, I look forward to seeing the degree of diversity, racial integration and equality that exists in the representation of Scottish folk in their team – compared to the England team. 😉

Ruby

Not only have you put me on your “Troll” list along side this Don character, but you have me morphed into him as well.

Jesus Ruby, I have not been on Wings for a good while now, but for a reason only known to you, you have me down as another poster who is quite a regular contributor.

I thought my last post to you was my last, but hopefully this one will be.

What a pathetic little Drama Queen you are.

Please pester some other poor Bastard.

Ruby

I live in sensible England where (thankfully) we are not at risk of the implementation of loony laws by noisy “woke” factions.

If only Westminster hadn’t devolved such matters eh? Careful what you wish for eh?

“I live in sensible England ”

I told you Senseless Dave, I’ll crack the jokes.