A different kind of joke
Posted on
May 01, 2021 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Holiday Boy is on holiday. But remember in 2018 when Nicola Sturgeon was going to use next week’s election as a de facto referendum if the UK government hadn’t given her permission for one by now, readers?
It’s almost like you can’t ever believe a word she says.
The giveaway was the “maybe” in that last sentence.
It’s almost like you can’t ever believe a word she says.
It literally is.
She’s standing for a Pro Independence Party but saying she’d advise others to vote against holding a referendum on Independence.
Her whole manifesto is a fraud on someone. (Spoiler – it’s us). It’s Orwellian doublespeak.
She has sum zero integrity.
Last Saturday, I told the story of the school that’s sinking into the mud. The contractor made a mistake; simple enough to do. The contractor was told and the Scottish Government were told too, but they just sacked the chap who reported the bad news and carried-on.
That was 7-years ago; the school was finished and it has been sinking into the mud ever since.
‘Famous 15’, ‘Muscleguy’, ‘Willie’ and a few others know their engineering and so I’ll give them an update: One of them, I think it was ‘Famous 15’, told me to ask a Dutch expert because they know all about mud. I said that I had already asked a Dutch expert and he said the following:
“What you can do is put constant drainage along the perimeter of the school and try to lower the groundwater permanently, this will cost you money and you need to see if it is possible with the Regulations. In The Netherlands, you cannot do this. That will increase the stability of the foundations. Basically, this is a temporary solution before going to the final and costly solution…” – November 2017.
What ‘final and costly solution’ is this?: ‘Build yourself another school somewhere else because this one’s doomed for failure’.
We’re still waiting on the opinion of ‘George’, Scotland’s expert engineer. We already have the opinions of an expert from Edinburgh which has been covered up for the past month and the opinions of another another five experts, from all over the UK, and they have been covered-up for the past three years.
Does anyone know why this is being covered-up? I keep asking all at Holyrood and the Teaching Union but they don’t communicate. I’ve even asked the Secretary of State for Scotland and he doesn’t communicate either.
My wife keeps asking me: ‘Why are you doing all of this work for them when you’re not getting paid?’ She’s right, of course. So, on Thursday I contacted the Teaching Union and asked them to give me a hand to conclude this and yesterday I contacted the Secretary of State for Scotland and asked him to give me a hand too. They’ve known all about it for ages now and it’s their responsibility, not mine.
George is a former President of the Institution of Civil Engineers and has an unsurpassed reputation in this country and in the USA. My expectation is that both he, and the Institution of Civil Engineers, will be mightily pissed-off by this dishonest Holyrood farrago. In fact, they may never have seen anything like it before.
Not only can we not build ferries nowadays, but we cannot build primary schools either and we no longer have the honesty, or accountability, to check these things properly. Not much future for engineering in Scotland then and not much future for Holyrood either if we all have to resort to WoS to sort this out.
I should think that a substantial number of that WFI audience in 2018 are now campaigning for Alba.
Captain Yoonsarian engineers some more ever so subtle trolling.
Mibes, aye, mibies naw.
The maybe party, the maybe leader, maybe gay or maybe not, maybe for or maybe against.
The only things there seems to be no maybe about is woke and the intent to jail anyone who doesn’t bow to the woke.
I had a glimmer of hope that I might see independence in my lifetime, but that has now been extinguished. I am now resigned to being one of those independence supporters for whom it will only ever have been a dream. Sadly, it really would be a miracle if I see it now.
@Kapelmeister – If it doen’t upset someone, it’s probably not worth saying, is it.
Captain – fwiw I’d say “follow the money”. Who built the school? Who stood to profit from it going ahead? How was the contract awarded to them? And what are their links to the financing and contract awarding body?
Apologies if you’ve covered all that already.
I for one do not believe one word Nicola Sturgeon says. I wouldn’t trust her to tell me the time of day.
She is an out and out liar. Me dacilus in the extreme she has no commitment to Independence whatsoever as her tenure these last seven years has shown.
But her time is I believe coming to an end and with an emerging Alba, and new SNP leadership I believe our movement will recover the momentum so willfully blunted by the Sturgeon years.
And so as we move forward we must all ensure that we maximise the nationalist vote and secure an SNP / Alba majority.
With that majority we can rekindle our spirit to resist the onslaught that is set against and allow us to recover control.
And we should be in no doubt, Boris Johnson and the Westminster establishment want to destroy Scottish independence – hence the policy to end the devolution experiment as they call it and introduce UK Government (in Scotland) rule.
@unsigned – I don’t think it has anything to do with money, really. It was a simple mistake. Was it reported? If so, who reported it and who investigated? Have investigations been done and, if so, why are they being covered-up?
You could always run both of the current YewChoob videos as the Saturday visual treat to replace Holiday boy.
@Captain Yossarian,
it`s all`cause we are, as you have oft times trolled, a Banana Republic,
Banana Republic meaning,
A small state that is politically unstable as a result of the domination of its economy/politics, which is corrupted and controlled by a foreign capital to harvest their main resorce,
We are a Banana Republic `cause we are dominated by a foreign capital.
anyhoo,
Brent Crude now up th $67.50 per barrel,
that`s $67,500,000 per day being harvested from Scotland by a foreign capital.
a brilliant analysis of Scotland’s colonial status by Prof Alf Baird over on Iain Lawson’s blog:
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/05/01/is-scottish-independence-decolonisation/
As we head out to vote on Thursday, take heed of this thought from Prof Baird:
” […] a single dominant National Party will make its own ‘accommodation with colonialism’, much as we see in the actions of the current SNP elite.”
I was a ” don’t worry – they have a secret plan ” guy.
She had me fooled completely. Right up until late 2019, and the January 2020 capitulation speech was when I acknowledged to myself how much I had been had. It was not pleasant.
I am now in Alba and I am just waiting for her downfall.
I hope I don’t have long to wait.
Catch 22 Yossarian. Get a Dutch dewatering company to sook oot the water or lose a good story?
Having read your Union supporting stories in the past I suggest you go on another mission before getting your leave chit to return home.
Sturgeon said yesterday that a vote for the SNP is a vote against a referendum.
She also said at the same time that she will only consider a referendum once COVID is over and once we have an economic recovery.
That will take years.
I know that the readership here are aware but when will this message sink home to the electorate?…..
The SNP are no longer the party of independence.
It has been taken over by a leader who is only interested in wielding power and by careerists with their noses in the trough.
Sturgeon let down a woman as a lawyer. She let years of abuse continue because she failed to do her job. She promised much but never did the actual work required to stop the abuse.
I think we all now know what that women went through now!
Interesting last couple of sentences in the article too – ‘The spokesman said Holyrood has already voted to stage a referendum on independence.
“There was a vote for that in the Scottish Parliament,” he said.’
I wonder when we’re going to get that one…
@Famous 15 – we’re nearly at the end. I’ll let you know the result next weekend.
We are standing here today,brethren,so close to the stench of London corruption that the natural state of independence must only be days away for Scotland.
“Mayday,mayday”
I am off to Arthur Seat to wash my face in the May dew to male me so irresistible to all those YNI.
Bye!
Damn “Psychopathology of everyday life”
MAle =make
@Captain Yossarian
If you think Scots engineering has its problems, check out the history of Olkiluoto3 – a four year project on extremely solid foundations with final completion programmed in 12 months every six since 2007!
If Brent oil sells on the spot market @ $67:50 a barrel, & it costs you $75 a barrel to get it out of the North Sea, then you aren’t making as much money as you think.
-perhaps you should invest in the bridge-buying sector. I know some people with bridges for sale.
“Not only can we not build ferries nowadays, but we cannot build primary schools either and we no longer have the honesty, or accountability, to check these things properly. Not much future for engineering in Scotland”
Very interesting. When I was an undergraduate in the 1970s if you stood outside Glasgow University’s Rankine Building (Civil and Electrical and Electronic Engineering) you would mix with hundreds of mainly local young (mainly) men doing degrees in Engineering.
Today you’d be pushed to hear a Scottish accent – or even a UK one. Similarly, the James Watt Building (Marine Engineering). It appears following Scotland’s deliberate de-industrialisation, the locals have taken the hint and now train in Media Studies, Golf Course Design, Hair-dressing and such like, while the hard stuff is done by folks from the Middle and Far East.
Tragic
SNP really gone the full New Labour now. Sell-out for votes.
Some may call it practical pragmatism.
What it is, though, is unprincipled self-serving cowardice.
It’s starting to look less and less like a thistle, and more and more like a noose.
@Garavelli Princip – I did my degree in the 70’s too. There was one girl from South Korea in the whole Engineering faculty. The rest were Scots with some English, but not many.
Garavelli Princip
Yes- we need all those foreign students to pay fees to the SG to allow us to give free tuition to Scottish students to study useless subjects.
Madness!!
Meanwhile, Transwoke’s incel infrastructure dripfeeding its racism into the movement more by the day.
She has effectively «conditioned out» any prospect of independence under her leadership.
The complacent, one woman band that the SNP has become needs a good hammering.
Might Anas Sarwar bring an ignominious end to her shilly shally?
Wally Jumblatt Last time i checked it cost an average of around $14 a barrel to get North sea oil ashore, if your going troll try and do it a bit better please.
Alex Salmond letter to Nicola Sturgeon,concerning SNP MSPs being urged to vote against a motion on independence by Alba.
This could get interesting
@Wally Jumblatt,
Christ and jeezo that`s a new one, $75 per barrel to extract,
As Goebbels said,
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.
It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
“It’s almost like you can’t ever believe a word she says”
Because you cannot. I do not know how much more evidence we need that the woman is a political fraud with only one mission:
To keep the yes movement on a tight leash, to lock every door Scotland had for independence and to prevent the ending of the union at the British state’s most critical and weakest point in its history.
England cannot survive out of the EU on its own unless it can use Scotland’s assets to make its eyewatering debt viable, to secure trade deals and attract investors, and unless it keeps Scotland deliberately as a consumer so it can flood its market with England’s produce, no matter its quality, hence the internal market bill.
This fraud’s handlers will not even contemplate a referendum or Scotland’s independence until the time England has secured a trade deal with the USA and can survive on its own feet after it has squandered most of Scotland’s wealth attempting to mitigate the effects of brexit, using of course COVID as the smokescreen to cover it up, or sold them to USA’s corporations.
That is why they keep this fraud in control of the SNP despite her astonishing levels of corruption an waste of taxpayers’ and yes supporters’ funds. That is why they are destroying the SNP from within as a pro independence party. That is why they kept Joanna out of the Edinburgh seat. That is why they are now attempting to remove the voice of ALBA. That is why they have hijacked the Greens with the nappy freaks. That is why they attempted to destroy Mr Salmond. That is why they did not pass that indyref bill and brought the draft instead.
What hurts the most is not that the woman is a political fraud. What hurts the most is that the SNP MSPs and MPs are totally unable or uninterested in finding the balls to chuck her and her husband out.
Scotland is uniquely shite?
Naw I am no buying that at 75$ a barrel . In fact I am no buying your story that everything about Scotland is shite.
It is natural for Imperial colonial Powers to undermine the confidence of the colonised.
It is natural to desire independence.
Wally Jumblatt says:
1 May, 2021 at 9:21 am
If Brent oil sells on the spot market @ $67:50 a barrel, & it costs you $75 a barrel to get it out of the North Sea, then you aren’t making as much money as you think.
Wally, with such a tenous grasp on the economics and the tendency to outright lies such as yours it is little wonder that the conflict in the Lebanon dragged on so long.
For some fields, the cost of extraction now is down to ~$10/bbl, for others it rises as high as $35. The petro capitalists are not charities. Otherwise Aberdeen would have long-returned to its rightful role as a sleepy little town of minor import smelling of fish.
The depressing thing is that so many are in denial over what Sturgeon has led the SNP to become.
People still actually fall for her patter on the TV.
@Wally Jumblatt
Yer talking shite pal.
Most north sea oil is extracted at $15-30.
There are a few old wells that are uneconomical to extract but are being kept going because the company has plans to use those older platforms for subsea satellite developments in the future.
Try trolling on a britnat site – they’ll probably believe your pish.
“she will only consider a referendum once COVID is over and once we have an economic recovery. That will take years”
And that proves her hypocrisy and deception down to a T.
There was a time back in the Summer of 2020, when the number of COVID cases in Scotland was very, very low. We had been several days without deaths and the hospitals were empty.
If this woman was ever serious about eradicating the virus in Scotland and “help the NHS”, she would have prolonged full lockdown for another 3 weeks or so at that point and immediately lock the borders. That would have pretty much done it for the virus.
What did this fraud do instead?
Released the lockdown and kept the borders open.
Consequence: the virus re entered the communities, transmission in the community increased exponentially, deaths increased exponentially.
Consequence of the consequence: it gave her an excuse to maintain continuous lockdown (while she leaves the borders open to ensure a constant flow of the virus into the population) squandering our economy for another year, coincidentally, until the Holyrood election, while stopped all pro yes demonstrations at a time when, after she delivered her capitulation speech and handed over our assets, powers and rights to WEstminter, you would expect them to increase.
If COVID was not eradicated in Scotland or at least brought under control much, much sooner is because this woman refused to. Just like the reason why Scotland is not independent today, is because this woman refused to.
The question now is if there is a link between the two events: was COVID not brought under control in Scotland sooner to stop independence?
Sorry that figure of $10 above should be $15. The point still stands.
Famous15 says:
1 May, 2021 at 9:55 am
Scotland is uniquely shite?
“Naw I am no buying that at 75$ a barrel . In fact I am no buying your story that everything about Scotland is shite.”
Am sure it isn’t $75 or the oil company would cease pumping it out if they are losing money.
If we said it was $17.50 per barrel then the oil company is making $50 and we would only get the tax on that $50.
No idea of the tax rate applicable but it is likely Scotland would only recieve $10-15 revenue per barrel.
Career Politician
I am similarly depressed.
The most incredible thing to me is how they can fall for patter.
Her speech is one long set of disjointed, inane ramblings.
Where is this sinking primary school
A quote from the Scotsman “Nicola Sturgeon says poll showing fall in support for independence is lesson that Yes campaign must ‘persuade’ voters” in 7yrs who many has Sturgeon persuaded as leader of the SNP none, we have fall in support of Independence and fall in support for the SNP she a real charmer.
I’d love to know what campaign she talking about because there is no campaign for Independence, I’ve heard of the Yes movment.
Mia
Nicely put.
Sturgeon is now the biggest obstacle to independence.
She has the levers of power but is steadfastly refusing to use them in Scotland’s best interest.
Our Nicola has been out of her depth for some considerable time. The crime she plans is intending we all collapse to the same inept level so she feels comfortable.
Your essential weekend reading:
Is Independence Decolonising?: https://wp.me/p4fd9j-pNG
@Captain Yossarian
Why don’t you just call him George Fleming?
I now know that Alex was conspired against. Nicola & Evans got wind of the plan after the 2016 vote they knew what he was planning with Alba that’s why they tried to bring him down. Alex is the only reason I’m voting next week if it weren’t for Alex & Alba I wouldn’t bother my backside.
One thing is for certain they’ll be a lot of SNP MP who will not be returning back to Westminster at the next UK election because of the Alba Party and Sturgeon leadership of the SNP. There is no way I’ll vote for the SNP and to still be tied to this union when a Westminster election comes around i’m sure a lot more will think as I do. This is where the Yes movement can teach the SNP and its leader a real lesson, so lets do it.
Sturgeon the Betrayer was lying back then and she’s lying now, in fact every time she opens her mouth to speak I expect lies to come tumbling out.
Meanwhile the SNP/Greens news letter aka the National newspaper, has a two page spread with a piccy of Holyrood and Westminster and the headline A government you trust versus one you don’t.
Well I don’t trust either of them, I expect deceit corruption and sheer underhandedness from Westminster but not Holyrood, which is now as bad as Westminster.
Still Holyrood is my parliament, and as Jack Aubrey (Captain in Master and Commander of the Far Side of the World) who’s based on the celebrated and notable Scottish sea captain Thomas Cochrane of whom Napoleon called The Sea Wolf, due to his outstanding seafaring skills, said to the ships doctor, one must always choose the lesser of two weevils.
One of the most bizarre developments during this campaign has been the claim by the SNP that the list vote determines who becomes FM. God knows who came up with that one as it’s such an easily refutable lie, yet there was St Nicola herself boldly proclaiming it on the telly the other day. She is a pathological liar – one now questions whether anything she had ever said has been true – yet the faithful still lap it up. They’re going to be very disappointed when the fall of the house of Murrell is finally complete. Then again, it’ll probably all be Eck’s fault; after all, what did he ever do to advance the cause of independence?
Republic of Scotland
Choosing the lesser of two evils
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I can understand when in Master and Commander and the choice is between the devil and the deep blue sea the immediacy of the situation forces a choice.
Thank goodness we are not in that position yet!
Sturgeon jeeps pushing though…..
Keeps
So just like 2017, the Scottish people are told this election is not about independence. There’s a fucking surprise!!!!
She / Her needs to set up a Nicola ME-ssiah party and leave the SNP to refocus on its original purpose. She and her followers have colonized the SNP – total parasites.
It bewilders me that the party loyalists still think she will deliver independence. The only chance of getting a sniff at independence is if Alba gets some seats and can hammer home that the SNP / Greens have no intention of delivering independence – then build their base to challenge the 2024 WM and 2026 HR elections.
Sad this is the state of things, but can’t see it playing out any other way. Just need to get Alba over the line first.
Sturgeon said yesterday that a vote for the SNP is a vote against a referendum.
She also said at the same time that she will only consider a referendum once COVID is over and once we have an economic recovery.
That will take years.
That is the same as saying that the Westminster Tory Government who
completely mishandled Covid to a degree where the U.K. has the highest
death total in Europe and who has crashed the economy to a greater extent
than anyone else in Europe are better placed to rebuild the economy and keeping
true democracy out of Scotland is best for another few years.
And all those in office with the SNP accept this as their bums being on the gravy train
is more important to them than Independence can ever be.
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I see the Wings SNP Clique with their split personality complexes are STILL posting on Wings.
Breeks, Mia, Ruby, Famous 15, Al Stuart, AYRSHIRE ROB and all the rest of you with your two faces are still posting these weird comments about how this evil Bastard Sturgeon has killed our dream of Independence and about the Perverted laws she is about to introduce.
THEN, IN THE VERY SAME POST YOU ARE URGING EVERYONE TO GO OUT AND VOTE THEM BACK INTO POWER.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU LOT ALL ABOUT???
You lot can’t have it both ways, either come out against Sturgeon and her Party OR shut the fuck up.
Or better still, find another website that accepts your split personality, two faced shite.
No fence sitters allowed.
It’s time for the Wings SNP Clique to make their minds up.
You either support Sturgeon and the SNP and all the baggage she will dump upon the people of Scotland or you don’t.
It’s been one failure after another with Sturgeon, on just about everything, from named guardians to Brexit and lots in between.
If Sturgeon says she’s going to address say child poverty, you can more or less guarantee that child poverty will rise — she did and it has.
You can only imagine how heartened I was the other day when I heard she might try to stop indyref2.
The last few years have been so dominated by issues like Brexit and coronavirus that a lot of people missed the systematic failures of Sturgeon that were going on in the background.
She started as she meant to go on with the Smith Commission in 2015, a bundle of opportunities were lost there (even the Tories couldn’t believe how weak her negotiating team was), and it has been one disaster after another ever since.
The one thing she seems to have gotten right was the marketing; her face is plastered everywhere. Sturgeon’s face is to the SNP what Union Jacks are to Tesco. Clearly that was defined as a top priority.
Some day people will learn the truth about Sturgeon, on the attempt to frame Salmond, Coronavirus, and other things which it seems we aren’t even allowed to discuss…
So drive down support for independence then state that we cannot have another referendum until there is majority support for independence. If I didn’t have so much faith in our dear leader I would say that she is doing this deliberately. Five more cushy years doing nothing for Scotland. That’s the game being played here IMO.
@oneliner – George is the last man we should be naming on this website. If he can fix this school, then we owe him £20million, maybe more.
Don’t forget, we used to lead the world in engineering. George is retired now but if anyone can solve this problem, it is him.
I have much less difficulty in naming those who’s negligence has brought about this tragic circumstance. One of them has a baldy head and is no doubt on the campaign trail just now in Aberfeldy telling everyone: ‘Vote for me….I’m honest-John’.
I can honestly see the SNP being elected without a majority and going into some sort of deal with the Greens and getting shafted by them.
Collapse of SNP and Stormont like Admin by Westminster turning it into Lincolnshire CC
Hatuey
The one thing she seems to have gotten right
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I don’t share your happiness on Sturgeons refusal to endorse indyref2.
I also wonder how widespread the American past participle “gotten” is in contemporary Scottish.
Now, I was always taught to find an alternative to using the word “got” as it is too much of a catch-all and rather redundant of meaning.
Anyway.
I read Wings as it does seem to uncover a lot of interesting things that appear buried by the main stream media. What is apparent from the various comments are very entrenched views from both supporters of Independence and from supporters of the Union. My interest is because my daughter runs a Bar/Restaurant in the Isles and so my interest is quite personal. I know that my post will probably be vilified by both sides but ho hum – such is life.
1. I have never understood why we, on this single Island, can’t identify as “British” as appears on our Passports. Does not make us less Scots, Welsh or English and SHOULD cement us together. Scotnat, Britnat? Terms only to breed dissent. All the talk of Colonial English is stupid.
2. Comments here about Oil Revenue seem, in the main, to ignore the fact the Government revenue is the tax element ONLY! Not the value of the extracted oil. And that is falling fast.
3. Following the revelations here about the Greens and their very doubtful policies How can any thinking adult contemplate a vote for this Party? For ANY reason!
4. The concentrated attack against the hard won freedoms of women are an abomination. That, coupled with plans for children, smack of a very Muslim type agenda. And who in SG pushes this?
I am very worried about the direction Scotland is heading and I hope the well know Scots common sense prevails next week.
“You can only imagine how heartened I was the other day when I heard she might try to stop indyref2”
She may try to stop indyref2? What do you mean? She hasn’t done anything else in the last 5 years than stopping indyref:
1. She deliberately trashed our democratic rights by letting our 2016 mandate for indyref to expire without even once attempting to deliver it, even after watching sitting on her hands 20 polls putting yes ahead.
2. She deliberately handed a veto to England’s government so they could stop it and in doing so deliberately trashed our right to self determination
3. She totally undermined our popular sovereignty so England’s will could be forced on Scotland
4. She has continuously left the borders open allowing the virus to constantly get in to Scotland so she could use it as an excuse to not deliver indyref
5. She has allowed the ring-fenced money for indyref to disappear from the accounts
6. She has removed the wheels from the yes movement to cull its momentum and to stop it progressing.
7. She has trashed the democratic structures of the SNP and totally detached them from members so independence could be sent down the priority list.
8. She has refused to pass a proper bill in Holyrood for indyref. She has had plenty of time to pass the Hate bill, but not the bill for independence, for that she only had time to pass a draft.
9. She has done everything in her hand to derail the Keatings case.
She had 5 years to deliver indyref and she failed even at the first hurdle because she deliberately set herself to fail every single time. Why would anybody be surprised if she attempts to stop it again?
Frankly, the surprise will be if she allows it to take place. But at that time I would be very suspicious that she has only allowed it because she has ensured in the background yes will not succeed.
Tom @ 8:58 am
“a brilliant analysis of Scotland’s colonial status by Prof Alf Baird over on Iain Lawson’s blog:
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/05/01/is-scottish-independence-decolonisation/ ”
Very kind of you to say so, Tom. Thank you.
Effigy
Your figures are completely wrong.
The UK does NOT have the highest Covid death toll in Europe.
The eurozone has just recorded a double dip recession. Far worse than the UK.
Within the UK. Scotland has the highest level of Covid positive cases.
Where do you get your figures?
Roy Hayes
You are welcome
1/ You are of course correct about our passport. It will be a British one until we gain independence when it will become a Scottish one. Within these parameters, of course we are free to identify as whoever we wish. (The Greens have exploited this point with their absurd mile long list of genders)
2/ You are also correct to say that the tax receipts the UK government receive are much smaller than the value of that extracted oil on the spot market. However if an independent Scotland had had the opportunity of ring fencing and then managing these receipts, perhaps we could now have a sovereign wealth fund like Norway.
3/ You will find no disagreement here on this point.
4/ Again no disagreement, although it is not a “Muslim type agenda”. This phrase will be roundly criticised, I suspect.
@ Roy Hayes: “why not British?”.
Why not the different countries keep their income, assets and be self-governing instead of England taking it all and governing the other countries?
We are on the British Isles but that is no reason to allow one country to rule the rest.
There would not be a single vote in England in favour of any other country ruling them. I cannot understand why a Scot is happy to be ruled by a neighbour.
“All the talk of Colonial English is stupid”
Is it? Doesn’t look stupid from where I am sitting.
“Does not make us less Scots, Welsh or English and SHOULD cement us together”
A word does not “cement us together”. A word only has a positive meaning when the actions it justifies have a positive outcome. What would cement us together is being treated as equal, it is being respected as having the same rights to see the government we choose leading the UK, to see our culture, our languages and heritage respected in equal terms and to see that our needs and wants are listened to and delivered rather than being brushed under the carpet so England’s can be delivered instead for the sake of “unity”.
For as long as England rule is deliberately forced over Scotland and Wales to their detriment, for as long as over 90% of Scotland’s revenues are siphoned by England who only repays us with a 9% of its own if that, for as long as England “as the UK” continues to pass bills to knowingly harm Scotland, for as long as England continues to steal assets and powers from Scotland, for as long as England “as the uK” continues to deliberately keep Scotland and Wales as consumers so it can use their markets to shift its products rather than their own, the word “British” and the Union Flag cement absolutely nothing. They have the exact same effect as flying England’s flag in every Scottish building and forcing ourselves to identify us as English rather than Scottish.
Another word that is completely meaningless is that of “union”. You can no longer talk about a “union” when one of its founding members has been forcing its own interpretation of the concept of “union” over the other to subjugate it and exploit it for its own benefit.
Calling yourself Scot is a sign of identity. Calling yourself British, in the light of how the UK is being run for the sole benefit of England and to the obvious detriment of everybody else, is a symptom of colonisation and oppression.
The word “Scot” has far more meaning in terms of identity than the word “British” will ever have. Today, the word “British” and “English” is exchangeable – that tells you how meaningless the word British and the UJ have become. They have come to represent the exact same, only calling themselves “British” and watching the UJ in their main buildings is a wee bit more palatable for Wales, Scotland and NI than calling themselves English and watching the St George’s Flag in their buildings instead.
The Scottish flag has far more meaning than the Union Jack because it represents the identity of a country and it should be the flag on the higher mast in every Scotland’s building.
The subjugation of Scotland the day A50 was triggered against Scotland’s will and interests and the consequent theft of our powers and denial of self determination was like an jackhammer to “cement” of the union, the union flag and the word “British”. Since then, they just remind us of the absolute contempt for the Scottish people’s rights, needs, opinions and will those in control of this political construct they call “union” have.
I remember when Holyrood opened, there was an expectation that it would be more honest than Westminster. That expectation stood-up reasonably well for a few years but has been eroded recently. I think that the Fabiani Inquiry opened a few peoples’ eyes and I don’t know of anyone who thought that was acceptable. Sometimes these events take months to have an effect and maybe that’s what’s happening now.
We can only speak from our personal experiences here, but that is mine.
Skate mooth gets hooked with own bait. Magic.
Can I pose a question here about Comrade Sturgeon. Does any one else think she is scared to “bet the farm” on independence. Let me explain, if she gets a new referendum and loses , where does the SNP go after that, where as if she keeps blaming the English for everything and promises Independence one day she can stay in power almost for ever with the help of the degenerate misogynist Greens. While If she wins independence then her problems start, the border question with England our biggest trading partner, currency , will the EU allow a country so fiscally mismanaged to join the Euro and the Union, and if we are forced to adopt the Euro what will that do to our border relationship with England and even worse Northern Ireland. Who is going to suffer most in all this why almost everyone outside of the bottom of the Royal Mile bubble.
I will leave you with a wonderful quote from Thomas Sowell
“The most fundamental fact about the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive”
That’s why they put every obstacle they could in the way of the Keatings court case. Even to proposing a draft bill, which they knew would go against any ruling in favour of a referendum without Westminster’s ‘permission’. Then again, jam tomorrow seems to satisfy the Independence criteria.
Has Scotland reached extreme caricature?
The SNP, the “independence” party that insists Scotland must have an English approved referendum to exercise its right to self-determination, has now announced it will oppose Scotland even holding an English approved referendum!!!
The SNP is the “It Will NEVER Be The Right Time” Party
So she was compromised before 2018 or she is just shit.
Patrick Jones says:
1 May, 2021 at 10:50 am
I see the Wings SNP Clique with their split personality complexes are STILL posting on Wings.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU LOT ALL ABOUT???…
Adopts wax crayon font… Because genius, every seat the SNP loses in the Constituency seats is lost to a Unionist, and that means Scotland is one more seat short of Independence, or even short of a Referendum.
So how can I square voting for Sturgeon? Simple. I’m not voting for Sturgeon, I’m voting for the SNP component that is required to compliment the ALBA component and keep a stranglehold on the Unionists.
I am NOT endorsing Sturgeon. I would happily see her rotting in a jail cell with her coterie of corrupt chums, but I still harbour an increasingly forlorn hope that the SNP grassroots has a part to play in bringing her down, turfing her out of office, and then embracing the ALBA contingent of MSP’s in Holyrood and seeing where we stand.
Do I approve of Sturgeon? No.
Do I approve of GRA? No.
Do I approve of Hate Crime Bill? No.
Do I want Cozy Feet Pete losing his job? Yes.
BUT… I have faith that all of Sturgeon’s insanity can be repealed like the Offensive Behavior Act and Named Person’s scheme. For all I know these are ploys she has devised deliberately to disrupt our pro-Indy momentum. She wants the SNP to be toxic and divided. Why else would she abandon Independence to devote herself to this utter garbage? It stinks, as if we’ve all been played. It’s a con.
Sturgeon’s amateurish strategies are childishly naive, frequently ignoring legal advice, and even before they’re law they’re living on borrowed time pending ‘somebody’ challenging them in court. I have faith the legislation will be so ham fisted and inadequately written it will be unworkable from the outset and extremely short lived. It’s not there to be law, it’s not being written as law, – it’s primary purpose is to discredit the SNP party and divide the Independence community.
There are also other boils needing to be lanced, the charges against Leslie Evan’s will make life difficult for Sturgeon, the missing IndyRef fund will make life difficult for Sturgeon, a strong ALBA voice speaking out for Independence will make life difficult for Sturgeon, and I hope that prospect of her inquisition by Alex Salmond in Holyrood will get right under her skin, and the cowardly narcissist Sturgeon will play the victim card one last time and quit. Good riddance.
The tin foil hat conspiracy that Sturgeon is actually trying to destroy Independence looks less and less like a tin foil hat conspiracy with every bizarre move Sturgeon makes to undermine the movement. She might get away that against opposition like DRoss and Sarwar, and a soft Unionist press, but she’ll be roasted alive by Alex Salmond, and the ‘poor me’ defence won’t cut it.
Once her corrupt leadership is gone, and their dismal legacy is put out with the trash, we will, I hope, have a strong ALBA party in Holyrood, strong both in numbers and moral authority, and effectively a ‘headless’ SNP which can then decide whether it wants to join ALBA, function as a complimentary party supporting ALBA, or whether it wants to complete it’s own political suicide and reinvent itself as a creepy Trans pressure group. That’s D-Day for the SNP. We’re not there yet.
So yes, I would rather have a Pro-Independence Holyrood majority comprised of ALBA and a “distressed” SNP party having a ‘managed’ mid-life crisis, than have an anti-Independence Holyrood, with ALBA effectively powerless and the SNP still out the game and having the same mid-life crisis.
If the SNP cannot heal itself and cease and desist from this madness, and yes, I know, the chances of that look bleak, then that Pro-Indy ALBA and misfiring SNP is still preferable to a Unionist Controlled Holyrood.
So yes, I am still voting SNP1 and ALBA2.
If you think that makes me a Sturgeonite, or sympathetic to the Trans Lunatics in any way whatsoever, then the problem isn’t in my head, but yours.
That is not to say I like the situation, because I absolutely do not, but I believe SNP1 and ALBA2 is the best available result for Scotland.
There ways to “control” the SNP madness, and ways to get rid of Sturgeon, which no not involve wrecking another shot at Scottish Independence or handing over Holyrood to a Unionist administration, and that belief allows me to vote SNP1 and ALBA2 with a clear conscience.
You can attack that judgement or disagree with it, whatever you like. But be aware, the trolls who let rip about backing “perverts” or being rampant hypocrisy, then let them froth at the mouth, because to my mind, they look pretty unconvincing as our moral guardians, and actually look a lot like trolls who want to wreck any prospect of a Holyrood Supermajority, and want to discredit the SNP1 ALBA2 strategy which can deliver it.
Mia @ 11.46
Spot-on as per my friend .
I think she realises that she isn’t intellectually equipped to deliver independence successfully.
The very thought of it likely terrifies her.
I’ve been a silent reader of this and other independence blogs for years now but feel its time I added to the conversation.
I look forward to flames (I’m very old school) coming my way.
Sorry for the length of this but once I start, I’m hard to shut up.
Throughout my life I’ve worked many types of personalities, but most importantly it has always been obvious that strong intelligent people have no fear of sharing knowledge and taking advice from others.
My thoughts on NS:
I don’t know her personally nor anyone who does so this is just my opinion from the media both old and new.
Intelligence, strategy and tactics are not her strong points but she does have an innate selfish sense of survival. Many commentators have suggested she has psychopathic tendencies, I would suggest sociopathic is more appropriate as apart from her survival instincts her actions appear more instinctive rather than carefully plotted. I don’t think AS would have survived a similar attack by a psychopath in such a powerful position.
I believe she suffers from the Peter Principal where she has been promoted above her competencies, and she is well aware of this, but this is combined with her sociopathic tendencies and a dangerous desire to be recognised as special and get to the top. I think at best she may be an organiser, although not a particularly good one as evidenced from her initial employment history, and the finds the thought of preparing for independence daunting.
This has manifested as (in no particular order):
Continual procrastination of Scottish Independence (Devolution is a lot easier, all the hard international political and economic decisions are made in Westminster).
Surrounding herself with non-threatening intellectual lightweight sycophants and acolytes who praise her abilities, which she is well aware she doesn’t have.
Having got to the top she now has to remove any threats to her position.
The more perilous her position has become the more extreme her attempts to protect it have become.
She has found a certain safety in being the Covid organiser, no original thought is required as she relies completely on professional advisors who are no political threat and who of course can always be blamed for giving the wrong advice.
Flitting from issue to issue until she finds some that are so well mapped out, she doesn’t have to think, like wokeness (GR and HCB).
Planning an exit from the frightening situation she finds herself, possible a UN role, from her support of GR.
Her marriage of convenience and ever more extreme survival attempts, from her unassailable position of power, have led to ever deeper levels of corruption throughout the fabric of Scottish Political and Legal establishments.
A selfish, childish petulance to refuse to work with AS and Alba to promote Scottish Independence.
Constant attacks on the Scottish Jury system and personal attacks on AS.
An inability to delegate and possibly loss of control.
That’s enough for now.
My thoughts on AS and Alba:
Compared to NS, AS is an intellectual, strategic and tactical giant. He has shown his devotion to the Scottish Independence cause especially after his trials (no pun intended) and tribulations over the past few years where no one could have ?? him if he had just resumed his career as a media personality and possibly owner.
I’m sure AS has personality defects, like all of us, but none that seem to affect his desire or ability to achieve Scottish Independence.
This has manifested as (in no particular order):
The aptitude and desire to put the cause ahead of personal matters.
The ability to create a team comprising of intellectuals of varying levels of expertise. This is evidenced by his realisation that there are more experienced and cutting-edge economists than himself and he is glad to add them to his team.
The skill to determine a strategy for Scottish Independence. In this I would suggest that there have been discussions with many current SNP MSPs who wish to cross over to Alba but due to the constraints of the additional member system and the power of the Electoral Commission to consider the SNP and Alba parties as the same, it could affect the list assignments (Rev: you may want to remove this) if Alba are considered a subset of the SNP.
The tactic of SNP 1 / Alba 2. I see this as directed at normal SNP voters, I don’t think the disaffected readers of this blog spoiling their first papers will affect this and you should not feel forced to vote for a party that repulses you. Voting is personal.
Resolute in delegating briefs to his chosen specialists.
The UK establishment (BBC included)
Terrified of losing control of one of their first colonies and best cash cow.
This has manifested as (in no particular order):
Support for NS’s SNP. Including her continual attacks on AS and Alba.
Media blackout on AS and Alba
One-sided reporting on AS court cases and subsequent enquiries.
This is already too long.
I’ll stop for now.
The worst part of that enquiry was the ‘coaching’ I mean supporting of the civil service staff and the women involved. In my world that is called collusion and it is against the law.
Leslie Evans made a fool of herself and everyone else with her lying, forgetting and arrogance towards the committee as did Nicola Sturgeon. The committee was just as bad with the tweeters Cole Hamilton in particular and then the leakers who may never be found.
Thank heaven for the predominately female jurors and female judge who saw through the lot of them. The whole episode was a stain on Scotland but tells you without any doubt who Westminster is really afraid of and who is the only person who will get independence for Scotland.
The fact that Salmond was found innocent meant they were not about to be let off the hook and had to add lies onto lies to crawl out of the situation though they were not very good at that either. If Salmond had been found guilty of anything they would have promoted themselves as protecting women in the workplace while at the same time putting them in danger in toilets prisons and every other supposed to be safe space for women.
As i read the terms, Scot and Scottish describe an ethnicity, British describes a «modern» political entity, unless used in an early historical context when it refers to the ethno-culture of the P. Celtic speaking peoples of first millennium Britannia but not Caledonia, as in the British kingdom of Strathclyde.
The idea of a British «nation» is an Arthurian mythic confection in the manner of the fabricated concept of the American «nation» and the rôle of the Pilgrim Fathers.
The latin word «natio» is concerned with place of birth. your people. It is not a term with political significance in the modern sense.
Ottamboi
Nation is not a term of political significance in the modern sense.
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Not sure what you mean by “the modern sense”.
However the nation state and international federations or unions of nation states is all there is.
Scotland is aspiring to become an independent nation state and insodoing resile from the act of union.
Has anyone noticed the strange contrast in reporting BJ’s ‘refurbishments’ of UK MSM, even to the extent of media commentators beginning to show restlessness about the scandalous awarding of contracts to Tory cronies, compared to the indifference to Sturgeon’s no less scandalous corruption?
Almost as if there had been an embargo placed on close scrutiny of Sturgeon and her government. Many people anticipated that there was a tsunami waiting to be unleashed by the media before the election. Hasn’t happened so far.
Perhaps the launching of Alba by Alex Salmond took them by surprise or perhaps with other similar tide-turning moments such as the miners’ strike or Blair’s lying about Iraq, the real story will be withheld until enough time has passed for the truth to have lost its power to shock.
Personally, I have become cynical about the powerlessness of ordinary people in the face of state power and those who mediate for it. I have lived through too many of those potentially transformative awakenings which came to nothing, to expect any real change to take place. Our society is too well-managed for that to happen.
Breeks, well spoken and explained.
We’re not looking at our feet, were looking at the road ahead. And a route out of this mess the snp have caused.
Breeks@12.33.
Nailed it.
Breek at 12 33says it all.
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Good evening Breeks,
Thank you for replying to the droning joke Troll known as…
PatrickJones/Gordon/Rock/KcoR/Andy/Labour4Indy.
He/she/it must all think we sailed up the Clyde on a water biscuit. He is thick as two short stanks.
What kind of mentally deranged Troll adopts so many different IDs that due to grammar, spelling, syntax etc., are all the same person?
In solidarity with Breeks, here is the definitive answer to the site idiot PatrickJones/Gordon/Rock/KcoR etc., and I quote the site Oracle, your good self. This saves many of us wasting time and allows the idiot looking for a village to inhabit to, get back to his crayon book.
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Breeks says:
1 May, 2021 at 12:33 pm
Patrick Jones says:
1 May, 2021 at 10:50 am
I see the Wings SNP Clique with their split personality complexes are STILL posting on Wings.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU LOT ALL ABOUT???…
Adopts wax crayon font… Because genius, every seat the SNP loses in the Constituency seats is lost to a Unionist, and that means Scotland is one more seat short of Independence, or even short of a Referendum.
So how can I square voting for Sturgeon? Simple. I’m not voting for Sturgeon, I’m voting for the SNP component that is required to compliment the ALBA component and keep a stranglehold on the Unionists.
I am NOT endorsing Sturgeon. I would happily see her rotting in a jail cell with her coterie of corrupt chums, but I still harbour an increasingly forlorn hope that the SNP grassroots has a part to play in bringing her down, turfing her out of office, and then embracing the ALBA contingent of MSP’s in Holyrood and seeing where we stand.
Do I approve of Sturgeon? No.
Do I approve of GRA? No.
Do I approve of Hate Crime Bill? No.
Do I want Cozy Feet Pete losing his job? Yes.
BUT… I have faith that all of Sturgeon’s insanity can be repealed like the Offensive Behavior Act and Named Person’s scheme. For all I know these are ploys she has devised deliberately to disrupt our pro-Indy momentum. She wants the SNP to be toxic and divided. Why else would she abandon Independence to devote herself to this utter garbage? It stinks, as if we’ve all been played. It’s a con.
Sturgeon’s amateurish strategies are childishly naive, frequently ignoring legal advice, and even before they’re law they’re living on borrowed time pending ‘somebody’ challenging them in court. I have faith the legislation will be so ham fisted and inadequately written it will be unworkable from the outset and extremely short lived. It’s not there to be law, it’s not being written as law, – it’s primary purpose is to discredit the SNP party and divide the Independence community.
There are also other boils needing to be lanced, the charges against Leslie Evan’s will make life difficult for Sturgeon, the missing IndyRef fund will make life difficult for Sturgeon, a strong ALBA voice speaking out for Independence will make life difficult for Sturgeon, and I hope that prospect of her inquisition by Alex Salmond in Holyrood will get right under her skin, and the cowardly narcissist Sturgeon will play the victim card one last time and quit. Good riddance.
The tin foil hat conspiracy that Sturgeon is actually trying to destroy Independence looks less and less like a tin foil hat conspiracy with every bizarre move Sturgeon makes to undermine the movement. She might get away that against opposition like DRoss and Sarwar, and a soft Unionist press, but she’ll be roasted alive by Alex Salmond, and the ‘poor me’ defence won’t cut it.
Once her corrupt leadership is gone, and their dismal legacy is put out with the trash, we will, I hope, have a strong ALBA party in Holyrood, strong both in numbers and moral authority, and effectively a ‘headless’ SNP which can then decide whether it wants to join ALBA, function as a complimentary party supporting ALBA, or whether it wants to complete it’s own political suicide and reinvent itself as a creepy Trans pressure group. That’s D-Day for the SNP. We’re not there yet.
So yes, I would rather have a Pro-Independence Holyrood majority comprised of ALBA and a “distressed” SNP party having a ‘managed’ mid-life crisis, than have an anti-Independence Holyrood, with ALBA effectively powerless and the SNP still out the game and having the same mid-life crisis.
If the SNP cannot heal itself and cease and desist from this madness, and yes, I know, the chances of that look bleak, then that Pro-Indy ALBA and misfiring SNP is still preferable to a Unionist Controlled Holyrood.
So yes, I am still voting SNP1 and ALBA2.
If you think that makes me a Sturgeonite, or sympathetic to the Trans Lunatics in any way whatsoever, then the problem isn’t in my head, but yours.
That is not to say I like the situation, because I absolutely do not, but I believe SNP1 and ALBA2 is the best available result for Scotland.
There ways to “control” the SNP madness, and ways to get rid of Sturgeon, which no not involve wrecking another shot at Scottish Independence or handing over Holyrood to a Unionist administration, and that belief allows me to vote SNP1 and ALBA2 with a clear conscience.
You can attack that judgement or disagree with it, whatever you like. But be aware, the trolls who let rip about backing “perverts” or being rampant hypocrisy, then let them froth at the mouth, because to my mind, they look pretty unconvincing as our moral guardians, and actually look a lot like trolls who want to wreck any prospect of a Holyrood Supermajority, and want to discredit the SNP1 ALBA2 strategy which can deliver it.
@Mia says 1 May, 2021 at 11:46 am
“…. for as long as over 90% of Scotland’s revenues are siphoned by England who only repays us with a 9% of its own if that, for as long as England “as the UK” continues to pass bills to knowingly harm Scotland, for as long as England continues to steal assets and powers from Scotland, for as long as England “as the uK” continues to deliberately keep Scotland and Wales as consumers so it can use their markets to shift its products rather than their own, the word “British” and the Union Flag cement absolutely nothing. ”
Another completely clueless factless rant from you, try reading and understanding what your own SNP Scot Gov publish please ?
https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/statistics/2020/08/gers-detailed-methodology-2019-20/documents/gers-detailed-revenue-methodology-2019-20/gers-detailed-revenue-methodology-2019-20/govscot%3Adocument/GERS%2B2019-20%2B-%2BDetailed%2BRevenue%2BMethodology.pdf
Don
Look in the supermarkets it’s all English produce ,cheese, veg,crisps, biscuits, bread………..
And Scotland should be an oil rich country dripping in wealth like Norway but it isn’t . So where has all our money gone?