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Posted on November 06, 2024 by

So it looks like the USA has elected a mad orange rapist convicted of 34 felonies who could yet be in jail by the time of his inauguration. (He would remain President even if that happened, which would be really funny.) And we can’t even blame them for it, because the alternative they were offered was, remarkably and stupendously, worse.

Wings called it like we called Trumps’s first victory (and most other things). We tweeted this last year when thinking about the upcoming election. It’s a variant on something we wrote about on Wings eight and a half years ago. We’re posting it again now in the desperate hope that one day, maybe, far in the future, someone will actually listen.

But, y’know, we’re not holding our breath or anything.

Well done, lads.

Just all of the well done.

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Achnababan

So John Swinney has backed the wrong horse again. Arise Sir Numpty. Stay out of other people’s elections and sort oot yer ain pairty!!

Michael

Starmer’s lot sent people over to campaign for Harris ?

Achnababan

Starmer got into bother about that … so why did Swinney jump in with both feet a day or so later. Totally unnecessary and ill-judged. Bullied by the woke members of his inner circle?

James

Because he’s a Brit plant just like his predecessor?

Last edited 12 hours ago by James
Martyman

“backed the wrong horse”??

Are you saying he should have backed the other one? Really?

A2 -What's the requested format?

That’s a loose loose bet, best avoided.

gregor

Band Of Horses: Everything All The Time: The Funeral:

“I’m coming up only to hold you under
And coming up only to show you wrong
And to know you is hard, we wonder
To know you all wrong, we won

Ooh
Ooh

Really too late to call so we wait for
Morning to wake you is all we got
But to know me as hardly golden
Is to know me all wrong, they won…”:

link to tinyurl.com

Pipinghot

No you stay fucking quiet and keep out of other people’s business especially when your own party is up to it’s neck in shit and crashing in elections.

Astonished

Swinney is a big part of the problem. He will never remove the transcult from the nuSNP.

Possibly, because he’s too busy trying to cover things up, keep Sturgeon’s skeletons in the closet, keeping Dotty Bain onside, and trying to stop Scotland finding out about him and the rest of the plotters.

gregor

The Spectator: SNP members slam Swinney’s support of Kamala:

“…now the SNP leader has found out he backed the wrong horse at the US election.

Talk about a bad bet! Last month, Swinney lent his support to Kamala, telling Scottish voters:

“People in the United States of America should vote for Kamala Harris…”

A senior SNP figure also told the Times that Swinney’s endorsement was ‘f***ing stupid’…

…while another Nat remarked to Mr S: ‘The First Minister should focus on his own country before he looks anywhere else!’…”:

link to archive.ph

Patsy Millar

Yep, once again you’ve hit the nail squarely on the peg.

fiona

i knew he’d win, but it still felt shocking to wake up to that cheese slice face with hair grinning at his win. The sleazy voice, which quite frankly sounds tired, promising the world, but likely only to deliver unrest, crypto currency, and inflation. jeeezo….. we just wait with baited breath for whatever madness comes now.

mike cassidy

So the only question now is

Will Trump go quietlyin four years time

Or will he insist he is entitled to stand for a third term?

Geoff Anderson

FDR died during his 4th. term April 1945.

PhilM

Look at wikipedia for the 22nd amendment, which became part of the US constitution in 1951 after FDR had served four terms. Trump has only one term left.

panda paws

What can be amended once can be amended once again. It’s a high bar to reach (2/3 of Congress and Senate then sent to individual states) or a constitutional convention of the states – which has not occurred before – but in theory any amendment can be modified or annulled. Ironically the President has no role in amendments though can of course endorse or not.

PhilM

An A for the theory but an F for the history. The 21st amendment was ratified by state ratifying conventions.

Skip_NC

Phil, you and Panda Paws are talking about two different things. Panda Paws is talking about the national convention that is an alternative to a vote of two-thirds of each congressional chamber. You are talking about the ratifying conventions in each state that is an alternative to approval or otherwise by state legislatures.

Ted

There is zero evidence that Trump would attempt a third term unlike Obama who did that by proxy. He has an excellent VP who will carry the banner and allow him to retire at 82 (unlike the poor sick Biden who was forced to lurch on.

Karen

Yip, voted Tory myself for the first time, aged 62. Met my Tory MSP who engaged with me over women’s rights. I like her.

Ted

Stu, regarding your first sentence, after the Scottish experience, it’s probably not wise to hurl accusations of rape about.

Robert Matthews

Seems lawfare in USA is good but lawfare in Scotland bad.

Campbell Clansman

“Lawfare against non-Leftists is good.
Lawfare against Leftists is bad. …”

Says the Left in Scotland, in the US, everywhere

Jay

Campbell Clansman, Who you are quoting? Please let us know. Thanks.

Campbell Clansman

My Leftists friends in both countries. They say it with a chuckle.

Jay

ref. Campbell Clansman. Thank you for response. My friends (poliyics not classified) in both countries have no time for lawfare whoever the target may be.

Scotland has outrageous examples with Craig Murray and Mark Hirst, no doubt others.

i am struggling to assess your politics, what does ‘leftist’ mean nowdays?

Jay

Typo. Alert: politics.

Robert Matthews

Alf Baird,Fanon and Memmi.

James

Troll alert.

Ted

I did that Stu and that EJC stuff has the real whiff of “lawfare” about it, you know like some of the stuff you talked about in the Scottish situation.

Greg

Trump wasn’t accused of rape, he was found liable in court for rape.

Robert Matthews

Ah, the infallible US justice system where there are no Soros prosecutors to be seen.

Greg

What is the conspiracy nut obsession with Soros?

Meanwhile JD Vance was hand picked by Peter Thiel, Elon Musk is bribing voters and Trump has made millions through pump and dump of his own joke stock.

Pull your head out your arse.

rogueslr

Title IX drove voters to Trump. The stupid law demonstrated the deranged views of the Dems.

Skip_NC

No, it was the economy, I think. The Blue Wall is about to turn red. I made my peace with this about 10pm Eastern Time last night when it became clear that Harris was not doing as well as she needed to in North Carolina’s major conurbations. She got fewer votes there than Biden got in areas where she needed to really hammer Trump.

Basically the Democrats got blamed for Democrats and Republicans handing out money to everyone during COVID, which stoked inflation.

Robert Matthews

Yep, it had nothing to to with the inflation reduction act which did the complete opposite.

aLurker

I had to look that one up.

link to en.wikipedia.org

Jay

Roguesir, It appears most likely that the 1972 USA legislation has been favourably regarded by many males, and especially females, in USA. Quick research by online searches is likely to confirm that.

By contrast, there seems to be a major problem with recent ‘Regulations’ which have undermined the original protections for women.

Please clarify whether you object to the original US legislation and its purpose.

I still have not met anyone who denies the biological, genetic facts that define males and females allowing also for the extreme rarity of ‘intersex’ individuals.

The incompetence of the US Democratic party is broader than the ‘Transexual’ issue.

Dave Hansell

“The incompetence of the US Democratic party is broader than the ‘Transexual’ issue.”

Precisely.

The trans/woke issue (whose definition & whose doing the counting etc) is but one issue among many and right now, in the present context, was unlikely to necessarily be the top priority for a statistically significant number of voters but one amongst many.

Which includes this issue, as observed here by Australian journalist Caitlin Johnson:

link to caitlinjohnstone.com.au

“Turns out campaigning on the promise of continuing a genocide while courting endorsements from war criminals like Dick Cheney is not a great way to get progressives to vote for you.”

Or regular human beings for that matter.

Who would’ve thought?

“To be clear, this is not a good result. A good result was not possible this election. The warmongering Zionist genocide monster lost, which means the other warmongering Zionist genocide monster won.”

An observation underlined by Palestinian-American Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib who won a seat in Congress for a fourth time in the Michigan 12th congressional district election with 69.4% of the vote, almost three times the tally of Republican Richard Hooper in second place – go figure.

As noted prior to yesterday’s election

link to theintercept.com

This was a major issue for many who normally voted democrat.

And we have not even touched on the fact that the ‘Democrats’ fielded an empty vacuous empty vessel of a candidate who could not, and did not even bother to, win a single primary.

The Trump win is the Democrats fault. Not for a single reason – as though it’s possible to divide reality into single issue stovepipes within rigid self-contained borders with no systemic overlap (because reality does not operate on such reductionist terms) – but for a variety of complex reasons.

Robert Matthews

What’s “Big Mike” got to do with it?

Jay

Where is the mistake? Ican find no ref. to “Big Mike” in my comments.

Robert Hughes

Spot-on , Stu . Personally , I wasn’t sure Trump would be * allowed * to win – and I suppose we still have to wait to see if his opponents will persist in their attempt to prevent him assuming the role of POTUS – via Lawfare . But the ( likely ) margin of his victory should – at least – remove any doubt or attempted denial of the clear majority of the U.S Electorate’s choice .

*Woke * just got it’s marching orders ; Hurrah !

If he does the right thing , ie gets rid of the Permanent State ghouls & Warmongers , and follows – through on his pre-election pledges to give good , decent people like RFK Jnr & Tulsi Gabbard free reign to do the right thing/s ( in this respect , he would be wise to bring in the calm rationality and insight of Col Doug MacGregor ) the U.S may once again embrace sanity .

It was again a truly abysmal choice presented to the U.S Electorate : they made the right choice nonetheless

Skip_NC

Robert, The Handmaid’s Tale is about to become real. I am no fan of Harris or the Democrats but it was the least worst choice.

Robert Hughes

1st : hope you were/are ok after the awful devastation of the Carolinas . Yes , well , let’s hope the * inevitable * backlash against the demented * Woke * idiocy doesn’t result in an embrace of eye-for-an-eye revenge by the * religious * Right . I think – paradoxically – that Handmaid’s Tale analogy had more validity when applied to the * Left’s * attempt to suppress any criticism of * Progressive * dogma , inc it’s lunatic * Transgenderism * manifestation . As I said earlier ……if he’s smart , Trump will give RFK Jnr & Tulsi Gabbard ( just 2 of the many former Dems so sickened by the degeneration of that Party , they aligned with Trump ) the opportunity to do the things they’ve said the would , ie in RFK Jnrs case ” Make America Healthy Again ” , by tackling the enormously detrimental Food Industry ; and in Gabbard’s case addressing the indoctrination & subsequent mutilation of children via * Gender * Ideological * affirmation * of childhood fantasies

Robert Hughes

as you probably knew ….I meant the ” devastation ” caused by the storms ; not any Political storm .

Skip_NC

Yes, I knew exactly what you meant. We got some heavy rain but nothing we couldn’t handle. The disaster in the west of the state was as bad as anything I have seen in this country.

You’re right that The Handmsid’s Tale can be applied to the Democrats. The difference is that they don’t have the competence to follow through.

Tulsi Gabbard is an opportunist. She wore the Democrat label because that’s how you get elected in Hawai’i. Now she has hitched her wagon to the Trump train. Smart in terms of self-promotion but, frankly, untrustworthy.

For those of us who lean slightly right of centre, it was a tough choice this time. Where a Libertarian was on the ballot I tended to vote for them but, in the 28 races on the ballot, I ended up voting for four parties.

Robert Hughes

I suppose – re Gabbard – it’s a case of whether or not one believes her defection to the Republicans was – as she claims – because of her disgust at what the Democratic Party has become – or mere political opportunism . I’m not in a position to judge either way ; but she’s certainly saying all the right things now ; and was the only candidate – from either side – who spoke about the desperate need to end the U.S’s promotion of war . Time will tell

Skip_NC

I think she was always a Republican. Some will reasonably argue that she just didn’t realize it (Hawai’i generally sits on the moderate wing of the Democratic Party and is not afraid to elect moderate Republicans) and others will reasonably argue that she jumped ship when it was politically expedient.

It will be interesting to see how many advisers from his last term return. If there aren’t very many, that would cause me to question the political journeys of Gabbard and Vance.

Campbell Clansman

If Gabbard was an opportunist, she’d remain a Democrat in heavily Democrat Hawaii.

Skip_NC

Not necessarily. She is out of Hawai’i politics. She pretty much did that when running for the Democratic nomination for president in 2020.

Campbell Clansman

In what alternate universe is Hawaii open to electing “moderate Republicans?”
The state senate is 23-2 Democrat. The state House is 44-6 Democrat. And the vastly outnumbered Republicans are from the left wing of the GOP.
The GOP’s senate candidate lost 2-1, to a Democrat who generally gets a 100% Leftist rating from the rating groups.
Hawaii last elected a Republican senator in 1970.

Skip_NC

I said they are not afraid to elect a moderate Republican. That doesn’t mean that they do on a regular basis, although it is not that long since Linda Lingle was governor.

Geoff Anderson

I wonder just how badly the SNP will do in 2026?

gregor

Filthy commufascist SNP (NWO) Regime is an affront to Scotland, democracy and world civilisation –

And it (et al) won’t have any integrity left (guaranteed)…

Charles Hodgson

Disgusting intro to your post.
Heard of Lawfare?
EJC had no corroboration, is batshit crazy and thinks rape is “sexy”.
Got her sexual fantasy played out in court with no evidence, supported by a corrupt judiciary. Believe all women? My arse. Only in DNC New York.
How you can see the Salmond conspiracy lies and smears, and the same for Julian Assange, but not this is astonishing. And hypocritical.
The DNC Neo-Con / Deep State War machine / Media & Big Pharma are a disgusting tyranny which must be destroyed, or there will be no more world to fight over.
Thank you American citizens for starting the fight-back.

Alf Baird

How you can see the Salmond conspiracy lies and smears, and the same for Julian Assange, but not this is astonishing. And hypocritical.”

Quite. It is an odd and highly selective and subjective opinion given what we know. Maybe this is because Trump is not considered as ‘articulate’, even by the more enlightened elements of the bourgeoisie, the latter still prone to socio-linguistic prejudice?

Jay

Hello Charles Hodgson, please let us know what you find disgusting in the intro to the post.

Which “EJC” do you have in mind?

Why do you think Trump will tackle any of the problem issues which you mention? I see the military-industrial complex, corrupt pharmaceutical industry and mainstream media plus much more, as being a massive threat to the world and that may well be similar to your worries. The Democrats are Neo-liberals rather than Neo-cons and all of them are bad.

Trump will promote all the worst of what you seem to condemn.

I hope you find this response and do more reading.

Ted

What Charles Hodgson is calling disgusting is Stu giving oxygen to what many call lawfare surrounding the EJC case Stu links to. Many called this stuff out when they saw it happen in Scotland.

Greg

Salmond was found not guilty.

Trump wasn’t.

You either respect the rule of law and verdicts of courts or you don’t.

“Lawfare” pish. The man is a convicted fraudster and a rapist.

Dan

Aye, crazy is as crazy does.
Who knew that political parties going way off piste embracing all manner of lunacy that’s contrary to the actual wants and needs of their electorates would end well. Empires fall…

In a Scottish context, there should be a lot going on at this time due to #TheThickening of the NuSNP caused by an influx of stupid grifting Bisto addicts.
If genuine supporters of returning Scotland to self-governance continue to choose to do nothing then Reform will make inroads.

Alf Baird

Helpful analysis Rev, which also in part explains why folks vote for Farage after giving up on woke parties who oppress the masses. Farage is England’s national liberator in waiting. His difficulty here is he thinks he also speaks for Scots on the question of national identity, but that only works for the more assimilated Scot who still falls for the Anglo-Brit cultural illusion.

History tells us that national identity, which is based on a peoples language and culture, is the only bulwark against colonialism. Which explains why ‘an independence movement depends on the solidarity of the oppressed ethnic group’ (Hechter), the Scots in oor case.

Scots also arguably need a Trump tae harness national solidarity an drain oor colonial swamp. Swinney’s woke colonial administrators winna dae it because thay’re aw bocht an selt an noo pairt o the colonial racket.

Swinney’s woke neo-colonialists hate Trump because he is a liberator o fowk, same as Alex Salmond wis, an Farage is for the English primarily.

Which suggests oor fae is colonialism, nae maitter whit kintra we’re fae, an oor anely sauviour is oor naitional identity.

Ted

Alf, “England’s national liberator” is doing pretty well in Scotland too. Some would say better than Alba.

Campbell Clansman

Reform got 167,000 votes in Scotland.
Alba got 11,000.

Alf Baird

Aye, a lot of Scots indy supporters also voted for Farage who offered a sensible manifesto on raising VAT threshold, stopping immigration, and binning the gender nonsense etc. Hence a world of difference from the woke parties. But Reform’s main ‘market’ here seems to be Tory/Labour voters.

Ted

Alf you may be right there. Reform UK has the possibility of uniting the Tory/Labour unionist vote. Same in Wales. Will be interesting to see the leap in Reform membership after the welsh Conference in the next week or so.

James

Ah, BritNat central.

Just what we need, more fcucking Tories.

Mike D

Wonder how many ‘incomers’ were part of those 167,000 votes?

Tenruh

Reform stood a candidate in every constituency, Alba in a minority of the constituencies.

Campbell Clansman

Not exactly an endorsement of Alba’s popularity, when the Reform Party was able to field candidates and Alba was not.

And in constituencies where candidates of both ran (e.g., Alloa), Reform far outpolled Alba. In Alloa the reform candidate received 6 times as many votes as the Alba candidate.

Skip_NC

Alf, I agree with most of what you say. However, Trump did not drain the swamp last time and he won’t do it this time. He IS the swamp.

Alf Baird

No global warmongering as far as I recall, big tick there from many folks. Yes, Trump did not quite manage to clear out Washington’s bad apples last time, but this time will surely be different, he knows precisely who they are.

Similar applied with Alex Salmond ‘taking power’ in 2007 and 2011; he should have insisted on creating a new ‘Scottish Civil Service’ wae a new set o heid bummers appointed to run the sub-state, maybe including some Scots even! Instead colonial foxes were left inside the chicken coop…..

Skip_NC

Alf, Trump didn’t even attempt to clear out the bad apples last time. He just brought in his own people to enjoy the trappings of power. Why do you think this time will be different? I am surprised that numerous people on this thread think Trump’s victory is a good thing.

It is true that Trump did not warmonger directly. He just let Russia do what it wanted in the Middle East. Trump’s victory is a disaster for the Middle East and the wider world.

Skip_NC

I wrote a lengthy reply to this, Alf, but it disappeared. I did mention the country that made up a large part of the team that Scotland beat 3-0 in the European Championships in 1992. I wonder if that is a banned word on here.

In brief, he didn’t clear any bad apples without bringing in his own. As for warmongering, he simply let another country do what it wanted in the general area of the eastern Mediterranean. The situation there is going to spread much wider after January 20th.

Alf Baird

President Trump has already proven he is not a warmonger. He has proven he is a businessman and deal-maker, happy to speak to national leaders that the msm seek to vilify. He has proven he is not a machine politician, bought and sold. President Trump loves Scotland and loves golf. President Trump is a breath of fresh air in a cesspit of deceit.

That’s why most Americans have voted for Trump, and you should have too.

Skip_NC

This cannot possibly be the same Alf Baird that spoke at the Alba International LACU meeting last week. Either that or you’re taking the piss.

Alf Baird

Why not address the points I make:

“President Trump has already proven he is not a warmonger. He has proven he is a businessman and deal-maker, happy to speak to national leaders that the msm seek to vilify. He has proven he is not a machine politician, bought and sold. President Trump loves Scotland and loves golf. President Trump is a breath of fresh air in a cesspit of deceit.
That’s why most Americans have voted for Trump, and you should have too.”

Jay

Skip NC,
As you say, Trump did not “drain the swamp”.

Unfortunately, Charles Hodgson (contribution earlier) might not be the only one who thinks that Trump will remedy problems.

Wonder whether they might re-assess the situation.

Jay

Hello Alf,
Some English people do recognise and support Scottish nationhood and national liberation. Do you really think Farage is one of them?

Most likely that some English people would view with disgust your suggestion that Farage has a role as national liberator and regard it as insulting as your colonisers suggesting that Sturgeon is the greatest Scots woman.

I see Farage as a neo-con/neo-liberal who would sell any national natural resources to corporate interests, privatise anything.

Maybe I will read some Fanon oneday. Best regards.

James

Well said.

Alf Baird

Yes, Farage would seem an unlikely liberator of Scots. However, if given the choice I suspect he would not be dissatisfied with an independent England.

And yes, his cultural-political ideology is essentially one of private ownership/profit driven, i.e. Anglo Saxon; but this is the dominant ideology that has been forced upon Scotland, the latter being mair a common good, public ownership, equality focused culture, as per Claim of Right. It is these two cultures that are incompatible in the UK ‘Union’ hoax, much as we saw in the different policy approaches taken in Holyrood during the Salmond era in particular.

Fanon indicated that whilst ‘the colonizer on the left may be sympathetic’ to the cause of an oppressed native group, he also maintained that: ‘his independence is a matter only for the colonized’. It is also well established that people coming from rest-UK have the highest propensity of all ethnic groups to vote against Scottish independence, i.e. almost twice as high as that of Scots. Hence Hechter’s statement that ‘an independence movement depends on the solidarity of the oppressed ethnic group’.

Jay

Alf, a fundamental difference between English and Scottish history, concerning where sovereignity lies (of which i have learned through this website and Salvo) could indicate that in England there is a deeply rooted structure for imposition of the ‘Anglo-Saxon’ economic model to which you refer, whether the English people like it or no.

In English history i encountered reference to ‘the Norman Bastard and his armed banditti’.
Cannot give a source but maybe ‘The Making of the English Working Class’, EP. Thompson.
There is the implication that the effects of conquest could have been far-reaching, maybe you can tell us whether that is where the ‘sovereignity-in-crown’ originates in England.

It is clear enough that Scotland has a problem of non-Scots moving in. Principled Leftists should be expected to respect a Scottish National movement (struggle!) even if they be English. Have you any evidence that Farage would defer to Scottish assertion of Independence?

Some in England might arrive at the border pleading for Scots nationality if there were to be a Farage regime in England.

Alf Baird

We know of the sovereignty in England of Westminster and hence its MPs due to various legal decisions, not least the Cherry case.

We know, from previous legal decisions and from parliamentary debates that, in Scotland, sovereignty rests with the people.

We know from Scotland’s enforced EU exit, from successive referendum mandates being ignored, from the forgotten ‘Vow’ promises made in 2014, and from numerous other instances, that the sovereignty of the Scottish people is never respected by Westminster and its MPs.

And we know from postcolonial theory that, in a colony, it is ‘only the values of the colonizer that are sovereign’ (Memmi), and the colonized are ‘out of the game’.

History indicates what the colonizer may do whenever the colonized assert their right to self-determination/independence. Which is why postcolonial theory considers ‘the root of colonialism to be fascism’ (Cesaire).

Mark Beggan

Another day in the world of politricks. The wokes will be preparing themselves for ritual suicide. I like the President of the United States of America his very name brings fear and loathing to the BBC. In fact I declare today a holiday.

Vivian O’Blivion

This is a good outcome. Trump has won the Electoral College and the popular vote (as things stand). A worse result would be Trump taking the Electoral College, but not the popular vote. In that scenario, the Democrats would be able to tell themselves that they are fundamentally on the correct path, they just need to … (fill in the blank). 

A good old trouncing in the Electoral College, the popular vote and the Senate should prompt some existential introspection. It won’t!

In these circumstances, financial donations actually increase, as the Dems left standing play the “resistance” grift. That, and they market Pussy Hats like they did the last time.

Mit der Dummheit kamfen Gotter selbst vergebens.

Jay

Vivian Oblivion, many insightful and well-informed contributions from you have NOT prepared me for your statement that “This is a good outcome”.

Is your assessment founded on the expectation that the US Democratic party, as it presently exists, will, as a consequence of defeat, be transformed into an organisation with policies beneficial for humanity and the more natural world?

The consequences of Trump victory will almost certainly be far more human misery and death, environmental destruction and extinctions than otherwise and, through years ahead, warfare (escalating to armed force) across all of Europe.

Trump only pretends to ‘drain the swamp’. What chance do you think there is of him tackling the abuses of power in the USA (eg CIA)? That would not be certain even if he Pardoned Julian Assange.

Scotland’s independence is unlikely to be delivered by Trump.

Robert Hughes

” Scotland’s independence is unlikely to be delivered by Trump. ” . Of course it won’t , Jay , or any other POTUS . Scotland’s independence will / can only be delivered by the people who live in Scotland . But it wouldn’t do any harm to have a POTUS who was sympathetic to the cause . Worth bearing in mind it was an American President who more or less compelled Britain to accede to the Independence ( from Brit rule ) of India ; likewise after the Suez fiasco to pretty much end it’s colonial Empire .

Jay

Yes, Robert, I should have typed ‘promoted’ instead of “delivered”.

as Alf Baird might point out, it is for the colonised to assert themselves.

Alf Baird

Yes Robert, and without US direct involvement the Belfast Treaty would have been unlikely either.

A savvy Scotland would be using its very strong and positive connections to this particular POTUS, a son of Scotland. That the SNP and msm behave in precisely the opposite way should tell us all we need to know.

I would be offering President Trump the vacant Scottis Croun in return fer oor leeberation, as is oor lang tradeetion! There’s far mair chance o The Donald leeberatin Scots than the Swinney-Sturgeon circus act.

Sensible Chris

Could you speak in English for those of us bored with your faux Scoatish

znovak

No extra costs for repairs in the Capitol building this time. That is surely a good news !

Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh

“Mit der Dummheit kamfen Gotter selbst vergebens.”

A Irish rendition of this is given somewhere as:

“Gan fiú na déithe nach mbíonn ag streachailt in aisce leis an bhómantacht.”

But such double negatives always confuse me. Here is a more concise Scottish effort without them:

“Gu dìomhain nì na diathan fhìn strì ri baoghaltachd.”

Meanwhile, I just came across this short Irish saying and thought it particularly apt for today: 

 “Ní fiú trumpa gan teanga é.”

Young Lochinvar

Ooo err, the wokeratis bogey man is back.

Trendies and the woke will be sewing up their gauged ear lobes as being the mark of The Donald.

Stuart MacKay

“It’s the economy, stupid” – Jim Carville, strategist in Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign.

Americans looked at each candidate and picked the one which is most likely to deliver a “better” future. All the gender woo-woo makes for great headlines but the reality is that if Harris lost because the average voter looked at lots more regulation and concluded their lives wouldn’t be improved by it. Simples.

Now, the real message is that everybody on this side of the Atlantic who backed progressive policies is totally f****d because they cannot remotely deliver on making peoples’ lives easier but neither can the current “right”. The party that comes along and makes that promise will sweep the board.

UPDATE: The House and the Senate look like they will fall into the hands of the Republicans, so the progressives in Europe just lost their ideological mentors. I expect electorates across Europe to swing right in an attempt to clean out all the nonsense.

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John Guest

I’m glad Trump got in. The alternative doesn’ bear thinking about.

Andrew

When STV2 was re-showing the Harry Potter films last week, I said to my wife that the shame of it was that the model for resisting Donald Trump when he’s elected was right there in the films, depicted as “Dumbledore’s Army”… the shame of it was that because JK Rowling had been cancelled, many young voters would ignore some of the lessons from history about resistance that the author had fictionalised.

“You think Trump’s going to win?” She asked.

It’s not just Cancel Culture that gifts The White House to convicted felons but the refusal of so-called Liberal-Left parties to realise that until they stop using the economic parameters pf the wealthy, they have no way of understanding that larger and larger proportions of the electorate are being left behind in ‘growing’ economies that use median and mean averages as their metrics.

Keir Starmer will be a one-term PM.

aLurker

Aye Andrew.
The use of aggregate statistics which purport to show that ‘the economy’ is doing well rather than correctly looking at the widely available dis-agregated data which illustrates just how badly the common working people have been doing, is the major cause of working peoples economic disenfranchisement.

You don’t have to be Karl Marks to see that decades of Thatcherite neoliberalism has decimated the lives of ordinary citizens.

And our North British administrative class still pretend to be leftish or Social Democraticish while adhering to the Whitehall/City of London ideology that ‘There is No Alternative’.

Well there is an alternative.
People just have to recognise it and vote for it.

TURABDIN

The marmalade Doncat among the rainbow pigeons.
Happy hunting!
«Plus ça change» but not necessarily «la même chose»

Frank Gillougley

So, the Goatfuck beat the Batshit crazy. Given the choice, the American electors voted for common sense. The rabid msm also have a lot to answer for.

Skip_NC

There’s one curiosity that got me thinking. Before the polls closed, Trump shouted on social media that there was huge fraud in Philadelphia and that law enforcement were on the way. Maybe he’s right and maybe the fraud extended to Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina and Georgia that’s the wrong flag emoji, Apple). That wasn’t a very smart comment and, perhaps, indicates that he didn’t expect to win.

Or maybe the Democrats really messed up, starting with the mass crapping of their pants a few months ago.

Athanasius

Bit hard on The Donald. I can yet see him on Mount Rushmore. There’s a space between Teddy Roosevelt and Abe Lincoln. Or maybe to the right of George Washington.

James

LOL good one.

Skip_NC

Aye, really far right of Washington. Somewhere like Texas.

TURABDIN

In anglosaxon cultures it can seem that politics is all about sex, on the other hand London is the considered money laundering go to and the WEF model is effectively politico-economic corporatism ie «stakeholder» fascism and not a whimper from liberal quarters.
Very queer!

Callum

Comedy writers, comedians and comic actors will be breathing a big sigh of relief. 4 more earning years in the bag. As for Americans the Yanks have truly fecked everything.

Pipinghot

And four more years of biden the dribbling corpse would have been better somehow?

Mac

Stu, the 34 felonies and rapist stuff are lawfare bollocks. Not dissimilar to what was done to Alex (just nowhere near as bad). Trump has some significant flaws but these are bogus ones IMHO.

By far the largest flaw is his support for a state currently executing a gen0cide / ethnic cle@nsing.

Other than that I think the rest of what he saying is totally fine and I think a lot of it will really work.

RFK Jr, again apart from his raging zi0nism, is really excellent and Musk is a stone cold genius. Just for those two alone Trump was the better choice. So apart from all the raging Zi0nism I think they are at least talking a very good game.

But then we come to his second greatest flaw, his ability to appoint the wrong people in key roles. Who then frustrate his agenda… but listening to his last few speeches he is very aware of this. So we will see what happens second time around…

I don’t normally watch any UK media at all, print, TV, nothing. But watching the BBC, Channel 4 etc this morning they are so anti trump and pro democrat I can see why people in the UK are all the same.

Something like 75% of Scots support Harris. That is insane. The funny thing is it really reminds me of the anti-ru$$ia, P-u-tin reactions you get as well.

What blows my mind is that even hard core Scottish nationalists who know that the media are lying sacks of shit still buy into what they say outside of the Scottish independence bubble. Why? it is mind boggling.

They are lying to them about everything Scotland but telling them the truth on everything else… They just buy it. If anything has made me doubt independence it is this ability to engineer and shape public opinion. What would be the fucking point. Independence is about thinking for yourself, at least it is to me.

Campbell Clansman

Under the Biden regime a Republican politician can’t get a fair trial, or even a fair prosecution, in New York City or Washington D.C., any more than a black freedom rider could in 1950s Mississippi, or a pro-democracy activist can get in Venezuela or Cuba.

gregor

“…the 34 felonies and rapist stuff are lawfare bollocks. Not dissimilar to what was done to Alex…

What blows my mind is that even hard core Scottish nationalists who know that the media are lying sacks of shit still buy into what they say outside of the Scottish independence bubble. Why? it is mind boggling…”

Well-observed and good points –

Take a good look into your mirrors (find your true self) and wake up to reality (it’s your ultimate ally).

gregor

Team-Reality knows no bounds (don’t be a forever-loser)…

Independent (2023): Trump: Sturgeon is a ‘negative force’ who ‘hurt Scotland’:
“Donald Trump has said Scotland’s former first minister Nicola Sturgeon is a “negative force” who “hurt Scotland”…

…her resignation as first minister was a “good change for Scotland”. He added: “She has hurt Scotland. She has hurt education and tourism. She should have embraced us… He said he believes “you should embrace people…”

A source close to the former first minister said: “If Donald Trump wants to see a politician who has had a negative impact on a country then he should maybe reach for a mirror…”:

link to archive.ph

Skip_NC

The 34 felony charges were appropriate under New York law. Whether that should be the case is neither here nor there. Anyone who does business in that state (or the City, for that matter), especially someone who grew up there, should know that you don’t mess around when it comes to financial matters. The only way a felony will not be charged is if the falsification was not to cover up another crime. So what that means in practice is that recklessness in recording business transactions is a misdemeanor. Doing it to cover up another alleged crime is always going to be charged as a felony. I must say, I am relieved I no longer have any clients in New York.

I actually think the prosecution missed a trick. They might have charged Trump with property tax fraud, with the way he was elevating the value of his properties for loan purposes and, weeks later, deflating them for property tax appeals. Why neither Mr Bragg or the state Attorney-General did not do so is puzzling. If proved, he would have been guilty of defrauding taxpayers, many of whom struggle to pay the painfully high property tax bills that are a feature of the north-east.

We will see in a few weeks how fair Justice Merchan is, at sentencing.

Jay

Mac, as you say, “Independence is about thinking for yourself”. Definitely a necessity! Disagreements will inevitably arise between people as a result of observation of the world around, seeing different things.

I have seen use of the term ‘personal autonomy’ in connection with being independent, as an individual person, and maybe it means the same as you say, thinking for yourself. It would be regrettable to give up on Scottish Independence because of a widespread tendency for people to have opinions different from one’s own. The bigger the population, the worse it becomes, look at England; who in their right mind would vote for an MP who would support Starmer, a nasty little authoritarian?

In the UK we have to cope with cliques who are completely unethical and dishonest, who engage in endless joint enterprises, using money-power to fool large numbers of people into ways of thinking often against their own interests or principles. The shaping of public opinion is often disgusting and dishonest.

I have seen reasons for your mention of “gen0cide”, “ethnic cleansing” and “Zi0nism” but others might express disagreement, for their own reasons.

I have read through all paragraphs of your comment, several times, before asking this, so please tell what the “anti-ru$$ia, P-u-tin reactions” are and who was reacting? Your help with clarification would be appreciated. I do read carefully in order to understand.
It is always a struggle to sort truth from lies or delusions. Thanks for any clarification.

Ruby

I don’t have a clue about American politics. That became very clear to me when I read about the Amish coming out in force to vote.

I haven’t heard anything about the Amish since 1985 when Harrison Ford starred in the film ‘Witness’

link to youtube.com

Ted

They came out in force to vote for Trump. Their vote was anti woke, pro farmer and fundamentally anti gender woo woo. The latter was the reason the Hispanic vote switched yo Trump too.

Republicofscotland

Lets hope the SNP and the Greens get booted out of office in such a spectacular fashion.

Mac

What I found notable in his victory speech was he said something like his central policy theme second time around is going to be ‘Promises Made and Promises Kept’.

So Trump knows he was largely thwarted first time around and the way he is making this explicit and front and centre I think is a very good early sign. This is definitely going to be interesting.

They have fucked up here, they should have let him win in 2020 and he would have been containable as he was in the previous 4 years.

Now they have created a monster with a monster mandate who has had four long years to understand what went wrong in his first term and how.

Trump could now actually fuck the ‘deep state’ up in a meaningful way (and I really hope he does).

If they had let him win in 2020 I don’t think he would have been capable of it, now I do.

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Umpteenth Steve

Millions of lives will be spared by Trump’s election. He will end the Ukraine war and resist attempts by Deep State to drag the US into other wars. Kamala Harris is the Deep State’s puppet and would have done the opposite.

Trump will avoid global conflict because that is the most profitable course of action for him and the gangsters he represents. They want to milk the US taxpayers for their own benefit rather than spend $trillions conquering the world on behalf of Globalists who mostly aren’t even American.

For all the wrong reasons, the world is a safer place with Trump as president rather than Harris. Unfortunately both candidates are in thrall to Israel so the Palestine slaughter will continue.

Neil Singleton

I had no skin in the US election game but it gave me a certain amount of satisfaction that the utterly anti Trump BBC, ITV and Sky News are weeping bitter tears. What I hope Trump DOES do is complete the investigation of Hunter’s laptop and expose the bribery and corruption of the Biden crime family, release ALL the names of Epstein’s guests who visited peedo island, and clean out the anti Republican CIA and FBI.

Kit Bee

Ahem… Trump himself was Epsteins’s guest on that island (I believe). The CIA will probably have the tapes and if there is compromat he will be a CIA puppet president. If not…….

wally jumblatt

I think he wants America to be independent of Washington, the Deep State and Wall St.

Maybe independent-minded people would understand that.

He is a flawed candidate -but hey, Bush, Bush Jr, Hillary Clinton, O’Bamma, Biden and Harris -come on. The Democrats haven’t offered up anyone in decades.(not a very democratic bunch as far as I can see). Bill Clinton not a crook? Anyone who flags Trump as a ‘convicted felon’ is a hypocrit.
He wants small government, the Harris option was purposely taking away all freedoms.

He wasn’t Adolf’lite last time around, won’t be this time around, and is trying to bring in talented people from outside DC. Give him a break, it’s a primitive country and it works best with simple solutions (not that we can talk)

Jay

Are you one of the Druze people?

wally jumblatt

Years ago when I transitioned into Wally (not Walid) I was stuck between going for Wakky Bakky (who was an East African prime minister I recall), or Wally Jumblatt, so sorry, nothing deeper than that.
Never planned to comment on serious stuff but the world changed

Liz

I hope Trump is mad enough at Swinney to release all the info re the Alex stitch up.

I’m not so much glad Trump won as the reaction to his win from all the Brit media, celebs, woke politicians
It’s hilarious

I believe our politicians should court Trump to raise our profile re independence but they’re too busy being woke twats for that

Breeks

Hmmmmm… maybe. But I seem to recall Trump and Salmond weren’t exactly best buddies.

What Trump should do is pretty obvious.

The US spends $3 Trillion maintaining, I think it was 800 military bases all over the world, but for all that eye watering cash spent, Western weaponry has been exposed as obsolete and ineffective… (mostly). Trump needs to think about his own rhetoric, and focus upon lesser foreign commitment, bringing the boys home, and finding some R&D funding at home. Make American “guns” Great Again.

That catch is, while that course of action may be obvious, Trump has the wee problem of a lunatic wee Zion1st who donated $1billion dollars to his campaign, and now expects Trump to deliver for Netanyouknowwho, because you know, the US has the best democracy that money can buy. Is it a billion? 100 million… I think that’s a billion to the yanks… Big fat cheque anyway…

(As an aside: Do you recall how many people were chewing wasps about alleged interference and nefarious contact with the Ru$$ians? Yet a $Billion bung from the Genocidal maniacs in the Middle East is perfectly fine… Nothing to see, move along there).

I think Trumpy Boy has a $Billion tiger by the tail, and at some point, he’s gonna have to let it go.

Europe is kinda screwed… at least until the Ru$$ians have grown tired of all the grovelling and endless democratic crises, not to mention fallout from global car companies contemplating bankruptcy. Europe will grovel, grovel some more, and “R” will do business, in a BRICS friendly way of course… See your wee Euros? How do you say it, err, “Non,… Nein…”

As for the UK? Oh! Oh! I suspect a Storm Shadow missile to the foot is gonna take a long time to heal, in a friendless and bitter world. Don’t invest in gold folks, my advice buy land, and stick some oats, neeps and tatties in it. You know the drill…Lots of carbs and fibre to fill you up and keep you warm. Yum! Yum!

Please excuse me doing the mini-me Rev Stu, but those of you paying attention might remember wee Breeks bringing all of this tragic potential to your notice several years ago… But don’t feel bad. Apart from Indy in 2014, or 2016, pretty much all of this was, and is, beyond our control. (Although shutting down Trident would have got us mega Brownie points…)

Scapa Flow is still sitting there, all deep and empty, and it would still make a lovely BRICS friendly freight handling terminal for uber-Container Ships continually frustrated by shipping congestion in Western Europe.

All we need to do is find the deepest water, furthest from the shore, maybe add a Killer whale or two, and throw all our dysfunctional tre@cherous dipshit politicians overboard for a swim; see if they can outrun the Ferry on course to run them down. Then we do exactly the same for continued Westminster rule by those Imbeciles.

Back to Trump… Who knows with Donald, but Miriam Adelson might be in line for a wee cultural reminder that you really shouldn’t pay the ferryman until you’re standing on the other side… even when the fare is for a $billion. I’m gonna stick my neck out and take a guess she’s a bit too much money on her hands anyway.

The genocidal maniacs might get upset, as is their want, and send a wee drone to take out another Leader they disapprove of, but I hope Trump gets lucky again, because Oor Donald being a wee bit of a shite to Miriam, might just save us all from nuclear annihilation…. Maybe…

FFS Donald, don’t stop being a wee shite all of a sudden… If ever the world needed a dodgy wee c*#%t with somebody else’s money…

Anne Kerr

Trump could well be dead by next Jan – then it would be Mr Vance, worth discussing.

Ted

Also an excellent candidate. His book Hillbilly Elegy is brilliant.

Mia

hahahahahaha!!!

It was worth watching Trump winning if just to make Swinney look like the embarrassment he is, and see all the UK establishment apparatchiks and the cocks in frocks in frantic meltdown.

I hope the first thing Trump does is to eviscerate the deep state and release another load of secret documents. Who knows? We might even find out if this gender id frenzy shite is a form of warfare that has been sponsored and encouraged from the rotten bowels of USA’s secret service.

Looking at how utterly useless Harris, never mind Biden, were at speeches or interviews, one wonders who the hell was the unelected hand governing the USA for the last 4 years.

I heard that black gloves “we did this for Beth” Cole-Hamilton was also supporting the democrat puppet Harris. Goodness, are our entire political class in Scotland puppets on demand from the USA’s Democrats? Looks that way, doesn’t it? Didn’t Dugdale at some point go to support Hillary Clinton’s campaign? Didn’t the political fraud Sturgeon have nothing but praise towards the warmonger Hillary Clinton?

What about the “Greens”, any of them went to support the democrat puppet as well?

When did Scotland become an extension of USA’s deep state?

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Peter McAvoy

When Trump becomes President,will be order the man in the naval uniform to dress like a man and use men’s facilities

Skip_NC

Admiral Levine’s post as an Admiral stems from being the US Assistant Secretary for Health. This is held at the pleasure of the President. He will be gone on January 20th unless he resigns beforehand.

Confused

elon musk makes shitty electric cars that go on fire and crash, killing people; the chinese make them better and cheaper …

– elon makes a new friend; donald. Donald and Elon are friends.

donald likes tariffs, tariffs on imports, imports from china 

tesla share price up 14%

tesla market cap is 900B USD

this is realpolitik.

this is smart.

elon is smart.

are scottish nationalists “smart”

– you gotta do what u need, to get just what you want 

rumour has it elon has chipped trump’s brain and now controls him with a playstation gamepad 

sam

Hard to know how Trump will behave Early signs of dementia? He bears grudges.

Very unlikely any criminal trials or sentencing will happen. How would it look to the rest of the world?

Neoliberalism won’t end and the harmful effects of it are likely to worsen under Trump.

“Deaths of despair” will continue in the UK and USA. For USA see Angus Deaton. For UK take your pick – Allik et al

Ted

Quite a few people bear grudges as you will see from those who continue to support the reputation of the late Mr Salmond on the one hand and those who continue to victimise and traduce him on the other. And that’s not a symptom of dementia.

Scott

Pete Buttigieg is interested in becoming the Democrat nominee for President in 2028.

After yesterday, that surely cannot happen, at least for the foreseeable future.

An openly gay candidate would haemorrhage votes from the African American and Latino communities.

It would be political suicide to select him.

shug

If you think Trump is batshit crazy have you met Swinney and the trans cult coven of perjurers and those that think the can pervert the course of justice and the Brit security services are not going to dob them in it. Now that is crazy
tick tock there is one whistle blower ticket on the table.

Iain More

I would like to congratulate the Wokists and Alphabet Queers for getting Trump Elected. Thank fuck I am old and I dont have a lot of time left I reckon. The Gender Ideologues have fucked us all.


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