Scottish independence referendum, plus jokes.

Wings Over Scotland

About us

Wings Over Scotland is a Scottish political website, which focuses particularly on the media – whether mainstream print and broadcast organisations or the online and social-network community – as well as offering its own commentary and analysis.

The site is edited and maintained by Rev. Stuart Campbell, a Liberal Democrat voter at every election for the last 22 years but now non-aligned. It advocates Scottish independence, but is not affiliated or connected in any way to the SNP, and neither gives to or receives money from the party, or indeed any other party. We have an inquiring mind, and actively welcome intelligent contributions from all sides of the political debate. Got something worthwhile to say about Scotland’s future? Try us.

We are registered with the Electoral Commission as a “permitted participant” for the Yes side in the independence campaign. Our address is:

Wings Over Scotland
Suite 55
196 Rose Street



The site has an open comments policy – if you’re a new user your first comment needs to be manually approved as an anti-spam measure, but after that anything you say will be published automatically and unmoderated, and without making users negotiate irritating Captchas or social-media registrations/logins.

(However, please note that the Akismet spam filter built in to all WordPress sites will sometimes place comments which contain links – and particularly multiple links – into the moderation queue, even from approved users. Such comments won’t appear until we manually accept them, which can take anything from a few seconds to several hours if we’re out at the shops or something. This is outwith our control, unless we want the literally hundreds of spambot messages a day that Akismet intercepts. If you want to post several links, it’s best to do it in several comments with one link in each.)

We reserve the right to edit/remove comments at any time, for legal reasons or in the event of sustained personal abuse, trolling that’s aimed purely and intentionally at disrupting rather than promoting debate, or spam which somehow manages to evade Akismet. But you’ll have to try very hard indeed, and ignore repeated warnings, to have any sort of censorship for content applied here.



There are, however, some rules. As the site’s readership has grown, so has the number of comments. Four-figure numbers in a single day aren’t unprecedented, and that brings with it certain responsibilities for commenters, because we can’t spend all day monitoring them and still produce the site. So please keep a few things in mind.

1. Write as if an undecided voter is reading.

Fewer than 1% of the site’s readers post comments. That means the comments give you an inaccurate picture of the overall readership, and things that might go down well within a small group of dedicated activists don’t sound so good to people who’ve come to the site looking for information to help make up their minds.

People without whom we won’t win.

So try to avoid puerile name-calling like “Bitter Together”, “Johann Lamentable” or hilarious mis-spellings of/puns on Anas Sarwar’s name. Do you think they’re more likely to win someone over, or to put them off? Would they work on you?

(We’d also happily live for another 300 years without ever again seeing anyone using the phrase “parcel of rogues” as if they were the first person who ever thought of it, or posting entire poems or song lyrics. That’s what YouTube’s for.)

2. Play the ball, not the man (or woman).

And by all means disagree, by all means disagree forcefully – but argue with people’s views, don’t insult them personally. And that includes calling them “trolls” or implying they’re undercover Unionists. We’ll decide if someone’s trolling or not. But in the meantime, if you think they are, ignore them.

If you know what a “troll” is, then you’ll also know that getting you angry and talking about them, derailing the conversation off the subject, is exactly what they want.

Email us about suspected trolls if you want. But don’t engage them in debate if you doubt their motives, and DEFINITELY don’t engage in on-thread discussions about whether they’re a troll or not.

3. Show other commenters some courtesy.

It’d be nice if all that ever mattered was the content of what you wrote. But it isn’t. Whether we like it or not, the way things look also has a huge effect on whether people read them and pay any attention.

If you post a comment that’s 3,000 words long but doesn’t have a single line break or punctuation mark, not one living soul will read it. But more importantly, the chances are that they won’t read anything that comes after it either, and that’s an arrogant and selfish thing to do to other people’s comments. We have some amazing commenters here, and they deserve not to have the information they impart undermined.

So please, please, please put some paragraphs breaks into your posts. One after every two or three sentences is a good ballpark figure. And as you’re using the internet, not a typewriter, there’s NEVER, EVER any reason for hitting Return once. It’s either none or two, depending whether you’re starting a new paragraph or not.

Terrible use of paragraph breaks (which includes using none, or far too many, or sticking loads of extra ones at the beginning or end of your post for no appreciable reason) will put your comment at severe risk of deletion.

4. Microsoft are evil.

Please don’t paste comments in from Microsoft Word. It creates utter havoc, because Microsoft are made of liquid incompetence and general horror. (Ref: Windows 8.)

5. There’s a time and place for everything.

Comment threads go off-topic. That’s okay. But posting about a completely different subject in the first few comments on an article is just mind-bogglingly rude.

If you have something totally unrelated that you really really have to say, either post it in an older thread or just bite your tongue for the four or five minutes it’ll take for there to be half-a-dozen on-topic comments. Break this rule and you’ll either get timestamp-shifted to two hours into the future or deleted, depending how cranky a mood we’re in.

6. Scotland has a world-renowned education system.

So there’s really no excuse for putting spaces before full stops and question marks at the end of sentences, or for starting your paragraphs with an indentation. Or for doing this: “…………………………..” or this: “ .  .  .  .  .  . ” when you mean this: ““.

Or for not at least knowing that sentences start with a capital letter.

Your comment won’t be deleted for breaking those sorts of rules, but please believe us when we say that if you do we’ll be positively itching to find other reasons.

7. Don’t mess up the page for everyone else.

If you post YouTube links with the http:// part at the start, they’ll embed on the page rather than being posted as links. That can lead to this sort of thing. So don’t include the http:// bit or you’ll find your video in the spam bin.

8. Above all, NO CITE TAGS.

Now, you probably don’t know what CITE tags are. They’re not a thing you can directly add on purpose. But they make our life absolute hell, so here’s how to avoid them.

To quote someone’s comment in a reply to them, you’d highlight their text like this:


That’s all dandy. Nothing wrong with that. And if you’re the best sort of person, when you paste that quote into your comment, you’ll also put it in quote marks and italicise it so that people can easily tell it’s a quote, like this:


However, if you do this:


ie copy the text in such a way that it includes the nametag at the top and the timestamp at the bottom, you’ll trigger a CITE tag and we’ll have to murder you.

CITE tags, in fact, are such a massive pain in the arse from an admin perspective that as of now, any comments featuring them will be instantly deleted – regardless of their content – rather than painstakingly manually cleaned up. No exceptions, no second chances. Gone. So don’t do that, is our advice.


Please note that spelling errors and typos are excluded from our grammar-Nazi purge. Being dyslexic isn’t a crime. But for CITE tags and the absence (or excess) of line breaks, there will be no mercy. Those are the rules. That is all.

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  1. Jennifer says:

    Was looking for a button to subscibe to your site and couldn't find one.  I know it's probably something obvious but I can't see it!  Cheers,  Jenny

  2. RevStu says:

    There’ll be an RSS feed shortly.

  3. Jim Campbell says:

    Great site
    in a lot of cases you are printing what I was thinking.

  4. Just want to say I have been finding the blog a great read – I remember Stuart Campbell from Your Sinclair and Amiga Power and I’m sure several other of the periodicals I used to avidly read.  It’s a joy to see you all writing so eloquently on the topic of Scottish independence.

  5. Dan says:

    RevStu says:
    17 November, 2011 at 1:56 am

    There’ll be an RSS feed shortly.
    Liar, liar, pants on fire! :)

  6. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    Um, there’s been one for at least a year:

  7. Old Mikey says:

    It seems to me most of these polls are unreliable and shown to be following an agenda of their own. In the council elections in 2012 not one of them got near the correct outcome. Wherever these polls were taken it was not Scotland, it must have been in Poonacandy or some such place. A far more reliable poll is the old common or garden betting shop, these establishments follow the money. I wouldn’t dream of encouraging anyone to gamble but i like a wee punt. My two pounds a week on the lottery will be going on a yes vote in 2014 whenever the odds become available. If the yes outcome or the yellow horse becomes favourite, or joint fav. or thereabouts this will impact on both campaigns. The yesses will gain confidence and the nays will be trembling in their troosers. OOOOH i forgot, gambling’s a sin.  

  8. Bill Laing says:

    Cannot contribute to your lets get serious site I press continue and it doesn’t follow through to allow payment

  9. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    Sorry about that. What browser are you using?

  10. Bill Laing says:

    Internet explorer

  11. PattheCat says:

    Ok new to the comments section, but been a reader for a few months, Decided to commit to £10 a month to help Rev with his target.
    Was gonna say I am a proud Scotsman, but just found out I am in fact an Englishman in all but name….
    great :-(

  12. Angus Coull says:

    Great idea! And long overdue! I have encountered censorship issues, hidden behind the pretext of ‘moderation’, at both the Herald and Scotsman comments threads. Not only did they do this, they were also completely unwilling to offer any detailed explanation for doing so when it was requested.
    Hopefully, this site will offer a greater opportunity for free expression from all views in the independence debate, with only posts containing genuine cases of personal abuse, spamming or trolling being removed.

  13. Eddie Dow says:

    Hi, loving this site, and if I win my impending Atos battle, then I hope to be able to pay my share to help keep the coffee pot full, I do have a couple of minor points I would like to ask about, from an almost completely computer illiterate point of view, is it possible to view the various links that many people put up, on separate pages? I know it may sound daft, but I have had to stop clicking on links, as when I have finished reading them, I usually close them, losing the WoS page I was on, probably something I am doing wrong. The other point, again probably my own fault, when I read other sites such as Bella, I can simply hit reblog on posts, meaning I can put them straight up on my own blog (again, something I am new to, but working on) not that I have much of a following, more for me to be able to find points of interest etc when arguing a point, without having to try to remember where it was! I use WordPress, and someone tried to explain to me about rss feeds or some such, but it went in one ear…….
    Anyway, hopefully someone can point me in the right direction (I know where the pier is and that didn’t help!) and look forward to learning a bit more both about this new fangled thinking machine, and the increasingly good points in the indy debate that are sadly lacking in the MSM and our “broadcasters”

  14. ecossenkosi says:

    Great Site

  15. Alan MacD says:

    Strange question, but hypothestic i suppose.
    Would you? Born an Englishman condone such actions of the fucking malevolent mob of today?

  16. Alan MacD says:

    Ive just read my own post aNd know its time for bed..,

  17. Onzebill says:

    Keep up the good work, helps keep me sane, there are times I cannot believe the hatred which emanates from some of the No Scotland brigade. The SLAB people especially cannot accept that they were rejected by the Scottish electorate,

  18. Xander says:

    Great site Rev – have been lurking for a few months now.
    I’ve just found my independence anthem and thought I’d share –
    Songwriters: Kerr, James / Macneil, Michael Joseph / Burchill, Charles

    (Yes Scotland)
    You turn me on, you lift me up
    And like the sweetest cup I’d share with you
    You lift me up, don’t you ever stop, I’m here with you
    Now it’s all or nothing
    ‘Cause you say you’ll follow through
    You follow me, and I, I, I follow you

    (Better Together)
    What you gonna do when things go wrong?
    What you gonna do when it all cracks up?
    What you gonna do when the Love burns down?
    What you gonna do when the flames go up?
    Who is gonna come and turn the tide?
    What’s it gonna take to make a dream survive?
    Who’s got the touch to calm the storm inside?
    Who’s gonna save you?

    (Yes Scotland)
    Alive and Kicking
    Stay until your love is, Alive and Kicking
    Stay until your love is, until your love is, Alive

    Oh you lift me up to the crucial top, so I can see
    Oh you lead me on, till the feelings come
    And the lights that shine on
    But if that don’t mean nothing
    Like if someday it should fall through
    You’ll take me home where the magic’s from
    And I’ll be with you

    (Better Together)
    What you gonna do when things go wrong?
    What you gonna do when it all cracks up?
    What you gonna do when the Love burns down?
    What you gonna do when the flames go up?
    Who is gonna come and turn the tide?
    What’s it gonna take to make a dream survive?
    Who’s got the touch to calm the storm inside?
    Don’t say goodbye
    Don’t say goodbye
    In the final seconds who’s gonna save you?

    (Yes Scotland)
    Oh, Alive and Kicking
    Stay until your love is, love is, Alive and Kicking
    Oh, Alive and Kicking
    Stay until your love is, love is, Alive and Kicking

  19. Johnnie McMillan says:

    How to I subscribe to the site for articles, newsletters etc.
    It’s unclear on the site whether this is how it works.

  20. Gizzit says:

    No question marks at the end of a sentence?  Am I misunderstanding?

  21. @Gizzit and alasdair
    Those aren’t two separate instructions, but just one. An alternative way of phrasing it would have been ‘Full stops and question marks at the end of sentences do not require a space before them.’

  22. Stevie says:

    It’s good that your comments mod policy is relatively relaxed — Newsnet has lost a lot of good faith and donations because their comments moderation became stiff and unfriendly.  They are still big but would have been a lot bigger if they’d not closed the door in the faces of so many.

    I go to NN for articles for my pages but tbh as an afterthought and I often forget – I keep forgetting about them and their articles appear less and less and less in my FB news feeds.

    So, good that you are keeping a loose grip on comments.  It can be an expensive mistake to become rigid and that goes for any online site.

  23. Patrick Roden says:

    Hey Rev,  Now I’m confused! Why am I called PattheCat?
    Not a big deal but just wondered if my picture has been somehow been connected to another Patrick? lol.
    Keep up the good work Stuart..104,000 and rising :-)

  24. Juan Pablo Del Roomigrant says:


  25. Dave says:

    Have you ever thought about adding a discussion forum to WOS? There are a lot of great comments on here but maybe they would be easier to follow in separate threads. It would also allow users to post comments not related to your (great) articles.

    There are plenty of good, free boards out there like Simple Machines or phpBB. I have set them up before and would be happy to do it for you.
    The boards have built-in anti spam but you would need volunteer moderators as well.

  26. gerard mcguigan says:

    INDEPENDENCE – “A rose smells just as sweet by any other name”

  27. scottiedug says:

    Love this site.    Intend voting Yes, and will point those friends who are undecided to this website.  Great stuff.  Keep up the good work.

  28. AndyPandy says:


    I would like to sign up for the cybernat orgy please! I have a mask if needed…Very refreshing website. Also, I used to be an avid reader/subscriber to YourSinclair ;)



  29. Bebe says:

    I can’t believe he feels he’s justified to comment on the referendum when he’s lived in USA for many years and changes his accent when it suits him….. Not a great ambassador for the Better Together forum.

  30. Aikenheed says:

    Would it be possible to commission printed copies from the FT for distribution? I know magazines, papers etc do this sometimes

  31. Aye says:

    Do you control the twitter account? just had to block it after it transcended into a childish footballing argument, losing all credibility

  32. yerkitbreeks says:

    Can’t seem to make a post. Am on a Mac.

  33. Hamish Burgess says:

    and I’ll show you how and provide references (at the end)to back my claims up. Just as Cambridge was the pivotal point of the spy ring based on Communism, Glasgow Caledonian University is a pivotal point of a Tory conspiracy where the common thread (no joke meant) is – believe it or not – fashion.

    Listen to Cameron’s speech on Youtube. Note the lectern has a GCU logo on it. GCU has a campus in London covering several subjects including fashion. I’ve heard (I do NOT know) that the London campus has its own logo and the lectern has that of GCU in Glasgow. I would like to know how and why GCU is the sponsor and if the Scottish taxpayer has paid the cost.

    Cameron was introduced by Professor Pamela Gillies who is Principal and Vice-Chancellor of GCU and among other things has ‘worked’ with the Institute of Directors and been voted onto the board of CBI Scotland – two organisations not noted for un-Tory activities. (Ref 1)

  34. Hamish Burgess says:

    Because the BBC was slow to go over to Cameron, we missed the introduction by Pamela Gilles on the video, but Derek Bateman on his blog quotes Getty Images as reporting that Pamela Gillies and David Cameron arrived together to campaign for a ‘No’ vote. (Ref 1A). A comment on his (Derek’s) blog from ‘VowofSilence’ states, ‘We are not allowed to comment or question Pamela’s motives. If you comment you are asking for your P45′. That seems to be a GCU employee who is not impressed by the Great Blue Elephant.

    Meanwhile, back on the video; ignore the usual blethers and go to where the time on the bottom caption reads 11.15 AM. There you will hear Cameron saying, ‘My wife is an ambassador for the British Fashion Council and sees – and raves about – the international impact of our fashion, helped along massively by Scottish designers like Christopher Kane and Jonathan Saunders’. Amazing that fashion gets such a high profile in a constitutional matter, but neither his wife’s side-line nor these two names are there purely by chance as we are about to see.

  35. Hamish Burgess says:

    Still with Cameron’s speech on Youtube video, spin forward to time 11.22 as he starts to take questions (a total of four). Look at Cameron’s face – concentrated and deadpan. Now go to 11.24 and watch his actions: he looks around, points to the rear on his left and says, ‘Lady over here’ and a quickly hidden, hint of a knowing smile, flits across his face.

    The lady replied, ‘Tessa Hartmann, Scottish Fashion Awards. I work in fashion and retail in Scotland. The Scots have played a very significant role in this wonderful British heritage that is cashmere and textiles manufacturing. Do you agree that now is the time for Scotland instead of arguing amongst themselves we should be combining resources and tackling the French and Italians and sustaining global competition.

    Not surprisingly, Cameron hastened to agree with her, praising Scots fashion. THIS WAS A PLANTED QUESTION in the best traditions of House of Commons Prime Minister’s Questions. Like PMQs fixes it started with an over-the-top praise session followed by the weasel words ‘ Does the Prime Minister agree with me’, knowing fine he will. Note that this Scot, talking about Scots, refers to ‘themselves’, not ‘ourselves’. Her butchered grammar suggests she did not master her lines properly. It may seem funny that a person to do with fashion should be sitting there and out of a hundred people be chosen ‘at random’ to ask a question. It was no coincidence and Tessa Hartman is no mere ‘worker’ in fashion as you will see. MORE FOLLOWS

  36. Hamish Burgess says:

    We will end with the speech video, but before we do, try what I did: download and put together clips of Cameron’s face as the four questions are asked. In the other three he is dead-pan, but in the second (Hartmann) you can definitely see a quick smile of recognition on his face. By acting as if she was a stranger he lied by omission.

    However, there is much more in this chain of deceit:
    Hartmann (Ref 2) is head of Hartmann Media, founder of the Scottish Fashion Awards, has other commercial interests, is the Fashion-Editor-at-Large for the Herald (fancy title), writes for the Times and Telegraph and appears in other papers as well as magazines like Vogue and many others, including on-line. One daughter, Tessie, is a ‘No’ on the Heralds Youth Panel for the Indy Ref (nice touch of nepotism)and the other is Tallia Storm, a singer. She has also been a guest lecturer at GCU where she knows Professor Pamela Gillies (see the link). Shy has been anything but publicity shy, but yet Cameron doesn’t know her!

    How strange, considering her political activities: In early March 2010 she was ‘unveiled’ as a ‘high profile’ Tory supporter and immediately created a fuss with her views on immigration. (Ref 3) In February 2012 she hit the headlines after collapsing at Heathrow airport the morning after attending a £1,000 a head fund raiser for the Tory Party in London. Present were ministers, including David Cameron. (Ref 4)She held a ‘LadiesLeadersLunch’ on 8th February 2013 to raise funds for the Conservative and Unionist Party in Scotland. Guest speakers were Ruth Davidson and Hone Secretary Teresa May.(Refs 5 & 6)
    IN October 2013 she held her Scottish Fashion Awards in Dover House, the Scots Secretary’s official London residence. She moved after both Glasgow and Aberdeen councils decided they weren’t using taxpayers money to subsidise her champagne booze-up. The co-host was the (then) Secretary of State, Michael Moore.(Ref 7) And still Cameron doesn’t know her!

  37. Hamish Burgess says:

    In 2011 Hartmann held her Scottish Fashion Awards in Glasgow. An award for being ‘Fashion innovator of the Year’ went to no less a person than Professor Pamela Gillies.(Ref 8)Less than a year later, in June 2012, Hartmann was given an Honorary Doctorate by GCU and is to be seen happily posing with Pamela Gillies. Nice to give each other gifts, isn’t it! (Ref 9)

    Henceforth she made great use of her title as Doctor Tessa Hartmann. Funnily enough she forgot to use it when she asked her question of David Cameron.In 2013 she made a video supposedly praising GCU (which she did) but spent half the time praising her friend Professor Gillies (whom she called ‘Pamela’) to the skies. (Ref 10) So now we have a GCU/Gillies/Hartman/Tory link, but there is more.

    Back to the 2011 Fashion Awards: Remember the two designers named in Cameron’s speech? The winner of the designer award that year was Jonathan Saunders. The award was presented by the guest of honour who was wearing a dress by the other designer mentioned, Christopher Kane. The guest of honour was the British Fashion Council’s ambassador, a certain Mrs Samantha Cameron. Some excellent photos of her posing with fashion designers and Hartmann are on the internet. She must also have met Gillies as she received her special award. Cameron said she ‘raves’ about Scottish fashion. Did she forget to rave about Hartmann and Gillies when she was putting the snaps in her family album? Didn’t Cameron ask his wife what she was up to in Scotland overnight? They say that Gordon Brown is irresistible to women! (11A & B)


  38. Hamish Burgess says:

    In 2011 Hartmann held her Scottish fashion Awards in Glasgow. An award for being Fashion Innovator of the Year went to no less a person than Professor Pamela Gillies. (Ref 8) Less than a year later, in June 2012, Hartmann was given an Honorary Doctorate by Prof gillies and GCU and is seen happily posing with Prof Gillies. Nice to give each other gifts, isn’t it! (Ref 9)

    Henceforth she made great use of her title as Doctor Tessa Hartmann. Funnily enough she forgot to use it when she asked her question of David Cameron. In 2013 she made a video supposedly praising GCU (which she did), but spent a large part of the time praising the one she called ‘Pamela’ to the skies. (Ref 10)

    Back to the 2011 Fashion Awards: Remember the two designers named in Cameron’s speech? The winner of the designer award that year was Jonathan Saunders. The award was presented by the Guest of Honour who was wearing a dress by the other designer mentioned, Christopher Kane.

    The Guest of Honour was also mentioned in Cameron’s speech – the ambassador of the British Fashion Council, Mrs Samantha Cameron. Some excellent photos exist of her with Hartmann and others are to be found on the internet. She must have met Gillies when Gillies received her special award. Cameron said she ‘raves’ about fashion and Scottish designers. Did she not rave about Hartmann, Gillies et al when she was putting photos in the family album? (11A & B)

  39. Hamish Burgess says:


  40. Hamish Burgess says:

    Going back to Hartmann Media’s site (Ref 1 again) note that in the centre is a photo of a basket of bottles with a Union Jack label on them and the word ‘POP’. I suspect this is actually champagne, but it shows the money they are happy to squander and were hoping for Scottish taxpayers to help with.

    Look to its right and there is a twitter window. Scroll down and there is a tweet from Downing Street on the day of the speech which Hartmann has re-tweeted at some point.

    Now go to the No 10 Twitter feed (Ref 12) and scroll down
    until you come to a posting which reads, ‘PM: Think of global impact of our fashion, helped by Scottish designers like Christopher Kane’. Below is a drop-down photo of Kane holding a Scottish Fashion Awards trophy dated 2013. The time of the tweet is 3.18AM – about six hours before Cameron made his speech and by sheer coincidence chose from 100+ people the woman responsible for these awards, who just happened to be associated with the sponsoring organisation, Glasgow Caledonian University, who was a prominent fellow Tory and fund raiser, who had entertained his wife, who had attended at least one bash where he was present, who is known as a fashion guru and who is splattered across papers, magazines and the internet. And he didn’t know her! Rubbish – he was treating the whole of the UK population as a bunch of half-wits.


  41. Tasmanian says:

    Can someone tell me how to set a custom avatar for comments?

    Also, Hamish, what are you doing? Why not just email the article to Stu via the Contacts page?

  42. Hamish Burgess says:

    Tasmanian: I am not exactly Au fait with computers so this gets it done. I started life as a Morse operator! I’m going to re-do my last section, the ref list, because it seems to have vanished. I’m just hoping that somebody picks up on this and puts it to use.

    If I knew how I would upload the videos and docs instead of giving references.

  43. Brotyboy says:


    Go to and create your avatar from there.

  44. Hamish Burgess says:

    I’m gonna try yet again. I’ve fed in the final section with the references to the various sites a couple of times, but they’ve vanished.

  45. Hamish Burgess says:


    YOUTUBE – David Cameron’s speech, 7 Feb 2014

    REF 1 –

    REF 1A –

    REF 2 –

    REF 3 –…

    REF 4 –…

    REF 5 –

    REF 6 –


  46. velofello says:

    Why am I having to continuously re-register?

  47. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    Because of caching measures caused by an ongoing DoS attack targeted specifically at this site. Hoping to have it sorted this week.

  48. velofello says:

    Thanks Rev. Logging-in is no big deal I was just concerned that I wasn’t up to IT speed.

  49. Just joining this site

  50. bookie from hell says:

    Do you think, better together are terrified of a YES vote over 40%,I get the feeling if its under 40% nothing will change.

    The only opinion poll I trust will be the vote 18th sept

    I hav moved from undecided to YES,after watching Lord George Robertson,Stewart Hosie debate.

    Lord George Robertson said 2015 Scottish parliament would get 30% more powers,I thought 30% of what?

    thx my 1st post

  51. Wee Copey says:

    Hi Wings Over Scotland,

    This is my first post and would just like to praise your site, I was steered towards it by a friend of mine who incessantly shared your page and I couldn’t take it anymore so I thought I’m going on to it to see what it’s all about. Am I glad I did, I find the articles and follow up comments engrossing I spend, literally, hours reading through to the end of comments and totally love it.


    Oh and I’ve steered numerous other undecided, confused and just generally looking for information people to this site.

    Thanks again.

  52. Dawning of the day. The Corries version.Say’s it all for me.for forty years and more.

  53. May and Angus Macpherson says:

    It is great to read the truth for a change. Please continue the good work.
    We are both totally committed yes voters and want a fairer Scotland for all.

  54. sharyn stobie says:

    a wee £20.00 donated, Rev Stu I think you are Scotland’s secret weapon, keep up the good work!

  55. steven Seagull says:

    I love the site. Great stuff,and very witty.
    I was checking out how many embassies/consulates Iceland has,as a small country.

    15 embassies.
    2 consulates.
    5 permanent missions.

    And no standing army.

    Way to go.

  56. No No No...Yes says:

    Not sure about Douglas Fraser, Business and Economy editor, BBC Scotland. Subliminal messages?
    Yesterday, his blog about “Scottish independence: balancing the books” analyses the GERS figures. The blog was was actually an interesting read. The last few paragraphs refer the productivity of the various parts of the UK. The eye opener is the last paragraph,

    “At the wrong end of the table, rural areas dominate. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news to beautiful places, but within the UK’s least productive 10 sub-regions are Orkney, the Scottish Borders and Caithness and Sutherland. It could be worse. You could be in Powys.”

    Now does he mean the geographic areas, or their Westminster MP’s:

    Orkney- the current Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael (Lib Dem)

    Scottish Borders- ex Scottish Secretary Michael Moore(Lib Dem)

    Caithness and Sutherland-John Thurso (Lib Dem)

    You decide..

  57. Sarah Logan says:

    Have just been authorised 3 weeks holidays from 18th September to 8th October and I’ll be partying when we become an independent country again.
    I am so proud of my roots, my country and my wonderful culture, and just know we will create a more fair, just and equal Society for our children and grandchildren.
    The better together campaign are modern day “parcel of rogues in a nation”, penned by the genius of Robert Burns.
    Love your site, Glasgow My Heart, Scotland My Soul.

  58. goldenayr says:

    Slightly OT,but since we are,rightly,lauding Brewers interview,I thought I’d add some balance.Did anybody else find the beebs man,on the ref debate on bbc2,was reminiscent of a schoolboy,who thinks he can get one over the teacher,when he was questioning John on beeb impartiality?
    I didn’t see him give Baillie the same treatment when she spouted obvious lies.He also gave her a bigger platform and kept cutting John and Michael off mid-sentence.
    Rev,since I stopped posting on the Scotsman I’ve not done much discussion on the ref and I,d just like to thank you for hosting a forum that isn,t biased to supporters of a YES vote.

  59. John D aka Nkosi says:

    Just so you are not confused. The strikethrough does not work.

  60. Joe Harrower says:

    Just discovered this site due to the banning of ads on the Subway. I am still dithering, but most likely will vote Yes as i am getting hacked off with the bullying by the Financial institutions telling me things are better together. If they hadn’t got us into the financial mess I would probably be a NO voter—is that totally thrown of me?

    Also Westminster won’t change if Scotland votes No, so I am tending towards a radical change for Scotland and a radical change for whats left of the UK, or whatever they are going to call themselves.

  61. edinbro says:

    Hi, I just registered with Gravatar and am trying out how to post on here.

  62. stewart says:

    The British government is SO concerned about conserving cash that it has reduced benefits to people who need them – poor people.

    Meanwhile MPs at Westminster CONTINUE to unashamedly abuse the expenses system, overclaiming, and allegedly funding private parties, while their party bosses refuse to correct the system.

    By contrast the Scottish government has legislated to assist people in need, and has dealt quickly and firmly with the few MSP expenses-abusers.

    So long as Scotland is ruled from Westminster unfairness will continue.

    England will ALWAYS be Tory, but Scotland need not be ruled by Tories – Blair and Brown were “obliged” to act like Tories in order to gain power.

  63. stewart says:

    Brian Wilson affirmed my view when he said during the Orkney debate that England will be Tory – but why does he feel this is a reason for Scotland staying in the Union?
    I say, leave England to its voted-for feudal Tory state, but free Scotland to adopt its own natural egalitarian and caring government.
    Current Scottish MPs and “lords” will of course return to Scotland after the YES vote, and more, experienced native politicians can only assist a free Scotland’s development – here of course there will never be a house of lords – Scotland is egalitarian.

  64. Public Opinion says:

    Is it okay for me to use a pseudonym, like this one:- ‘Public Opinion’?

  65. David says:

    Thanks for enlightening report on UKIP meeting. Looks like Scotland’s referendum on EU in or out is definitely happening this year. I just hope enough of my fellow Scots take that on board. Vote YES for EU membership on September 18th.

  66. Roll_On_2014 says:

    STU how can I put a link to a utube vid in a comment. Not an embedded one.

    I have tried a number of ways but without success.

  67. markmywordzzz says:

    Help me understand this please. I get the point that without Scotland, Labour would lose seats and these losses are largely cancelled out by the “other” parties that also lose numbers. I also get these “other” parties count as the opposition under a Labour government, but these ohers are still not the Conservative party. So in any future election without Scotland, Labour total seats will be “down”, the “other” parties are also down (or now non-existent like the SNP) but the Conservatives are not,as they have no seats to lose…. which means proportionally they gain surely?

  68. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    They gain, just not enough to make a difference.

  69. Paula Rose says:

    @ Roll_On_2014 – if you’re still listening doll, copy and post the link THEN DELETE EVERYTHING BEFORE THE www – otherwise you are toast and get fed to the rats.

  70. markmywordzzz says:

    Thanks Rev. Stuart Campbell. Still not sure I understand that though. In older times the lack of Scottish seats may have been roughly distributed across all the parties. However in more recent times though the loss is much more keenly felt by Labour. So looking at 2010 figures, Labour lose 41 seats, the Conservatives lose 1. The total of 18 Scottish non-Labour seats are significant in a Labour win as they count as opposition and subtract from their 41 but the total removal of 59 Scottish seats is nothing but a big plus for the Tories if their expected portion of that loss is just one seat.

  71. Alistair says:

    Silly question time, is this the same Stuart Campbell that was (or is) in the game industry?

  72. jonGZ says:

    Hi there,
    I’d like to check in, please, after hanging around outside for the last couple of months; I like they way this hotel works.

    One quick question: do I have to take the “http” off all links, or just Youtube ones?

    Oops, and now that I check out the preview; why doesn’t the 2nd (there’s a left arrow,b,right arrow before and after “all”, and after “2nd”) stop the bold print?

    Are the italics the same? Yes

    Help! ????

  73. jonGZ says:

    Ah, ok .. I think i’ve got the html under control ..

  74. jonGZ says:

    Merda! I hate typos; I’m a grammar nazi, and then I go and write “I like they way” in my first post..

    I hope you’ll be erasing these trial posts, Stu?

  75. David Hind says:

    Have been following this site for a long time but never commented before.Sending this as a test so I can comment in future to help in the fight for independence.

  76. Andrew David Mackay says:

    I will not buy a Daily Mail. I do not believe in giving My money away to tripe. Massive respect to “Wings Over Scotland” for the way it responds to this sort of malignant rubbish.

  77. robby says:


  78. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    That’s nice, dear.

  79. Jim Clark says:

    Just watched the indyguy/Maryhill video, upsetting but uplifting at the same time. Obviously not politicians, (they spoke from the heart) how anyone with an once of moral fibre could watch this and still vote no, doesn’t deserve the title of human being. Saor Alba.

  80. Masson says:

    Hi Wings
    I am wondering if you have heard anything about the Armed Forces, getting letters telling them to vote no in September, also asking which way they intend to vote surely this is illegal.

  81. Paula Rose says:

    They’re being asked to vote No to the UK to save their future?

  82. Duke of Albany says:

    I too was very moved, indeed I was bursting with pride that my country was offering this humanitarian aid, unfortunately it was not long before a labour politic muppet brought me crashing to earth by branding the Scottish gov terrorists for helping Hamas, oh well back to the battle for independence!

  83. Jim McLean says:

    Pie in the sky when you die. Apologies to Joe Hill

    Tory preachers come out every night
    Try to tell you what’s wrong and what’s right
    When you ask them to tell you the truth
    Up jumps Cameron or Ms Untruth Ruth

    ‘You will eat, by and by,
    In that glorious land above the sky
    Vote for Ruth, it’s the truth
    You’ll get pie in the sky when you die’ – that’s a lie!

    Lamont joins in the same Tory song
    ‘Stay with England, that’s where you belong
    And remember what Uncle Ed said
    Tomorrow you’ll get jam on your bread’

    ‘You will eat, by and by,
    In that glorious land above the sky
    Vote for Jo, just say No
    You’ll get pie in the sky when you die’ – that’s a lie!

    Willie Rennie has made this his boast
    ‘I will promise you jam on your toast,
    Tomorrow’, he shouts from afar
    ‘If I manage to open the jar’.

    ‘You will eat, by and by,
    In that glorious land above the sky
    Vote for Willie, if your silly
    You’ll get pie in the sky when you die’ – that’s a lie!

    Working folks of all Scotland, unite
    Side by side we for freedom will fight
    When we’re free from Westminster again
    To the winners we’ll sing this refrain:

    We will eat, by and by,
    In a land free from Tory Lib lies
    Just say YES, just say YES,
    Then you’ll eat in the sweet by and by – that’s no lie!

  84. flux_capacitor says:

    I’m a daily follower of this site. This is a test post, as my previous attempt to contribute to a recent thread disappeared after awaiting moderation. (It was a fair comment and broke no rules)

  85. mpopples says:

    Some useful light was thrown on the currency issue in this morning’s BBC Good Morning Scotland.

    The topic began with Alec Salmond and Alistair Darling making their points. This was followed by a very illuminating interview with an “independent expert” (the economist John Kay) spanning approx. 08:35 to 15:00

    It ended less usefully with two other economists to represent opposite sides of the debate.

  86. G. Campbell says:

    Test post.

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