Wings Over Scotland

Genius ….

It was pretty decent of Ed and Johann to have posed for those drawings. I like their choice of costumes too.

Greg is providing a terrific service to democracy by outlining OneNation Labour’s actual policies.

Oh How true, but we must convince your Labour voter who responds, my granpa voted Labour, my faither voted Labour so I suppose I’ll vote Labour brigade that they are voting for Scotland not New Labour or Alex Salmond et al.

Auld Rock

Behind Ed.
Is it the horses mouth or the horses a**e

Man, that is one ugly elf :p

If Labour elves are your thing, here is Scotland’s Maddest Unionist Cllr Terry Kelly with an elf.
link to councillorterrykelly.blogspot.co.uk

9.5/10! You lose half a mark for the lack of tubas.

I suppose we could list the factors and principles that defined Labour’s foundation and ask:
“Is that what your father and grandfather voted for?” – YES
Then list the actions and policies now(as Greg has done).
Then ask the question again!

Focus on what the party stands for, not the label.

..as for Liberal and Democratic, that’s another story!

Won’t somebody think of the children?

Spoof pro UKOK channel goes too far this time-

27 April 2014 Last updated at 15:36
“Scottish independence: CWU backs ‘No’ vote in referendum”

Scottish independence: CWU backs ‘No’ vote in referendum
link to bbc.co.uk

“Members of the Communication Workers Union (CWU) will be urged to back a “No” vote in the Scottish independence referendum.”

Dear Wingers please excuse me for going o/t and for butting in on another great wings article but we need your help, our facebook page has some signed copies of Jim Sillars book In Place of Fear 2 which we are selling to help fund our local campaign and as I’m sure you will know, buying from YES Scotland ain’t cheap please feel free to drop by and PM us if we can help you help us. Thanks everyone and keep pushin YES.

Sorry,OT.
Is the main YES page under attack?It doesn’t display properly on any device.Articles are all bunched together and overlapped.

THANKS REV, You do a great job keeping us right.

Cheers. Its a terrific YES facebook page straight in with “John Reid claimed for a pouffe and a glittery loo seat on MPs’ expenses” from Torygraph. John Reid perched on his House of Lords expenses paid glittery loo seat and Daily Records stuffed in loo roll holder.

The Communication Workers Union (CWU) is the biggest union for the communications industry in the UK with 202,700 members. It was formed in January 1995 when the Union of Communication Workers joined forces with the National Communications Union.

Our members
CWU members work in Royal Mail, the Post Office, BT, Telefonica O2 and other telecommunication companies, cable TV, Accenture HR Services, financial services, and Santander, including subsidiaries Geoban, ISBAN and Produban. Our members’ expertise includes engineering, computing, clerical, mechanical, driving, retail, financial and manual skills.

link to cwu.org

Betsy says:

27 April, 2014 at 3:47 pm

If Labour elves are your thing, here is Scotland’s Maddest Unionist Cllr Terry Kelly with an elf.

O/T – Is that not Mr. Kelly’s father in the photo with the two elves – compared to the one depicted on his blog?

Is that not misrepresentation?

Frank Roy doesn’t have the best night on his own patch.

link to dailyrecord.co.uk

@TJenny

I’m not related to Professor Pengoo, although I do live in Edinburgh Pentlands. The climate here must be good for penguins!

Ninja Penguin – Pentlands does indeed seem to be an ideal setting for penguins, even unto breeding? If so, remember nae emperors in an Independent Scotland.

Will you be at the Jolly Ferry jolly?

With regards to the CWU it was the initial decision taken by the CWU NEC (National Executive Council).

Conference therefore endorses the NEC decision to recommend to all members in Scotland that they vote ‘no’ in the forthcoming Scottish Independence Referendum and appropriate communications are circulated to our Scottish membership to this effect.

Now looking through the list of 16 National Executive Council voting members there is only one name that I recognise as actually being a Scot.

Sorry on so many levels here, o/t but no idea where to put this.
BT Latest bumff put through my door tonight.
Not even trying a roasting like the good rev but i am sure wingers will figure it out if they have not had this crap posted yet.

Ha..just got bumff from BT and UKIP, the BT crap is simply astonishing.
Banging on about collapsing Scottish banks and how the uk “signed the cheque that kept them running” !!!!
No mention of US money doing the actual bail out.

Apparently, leaving the uk still involves losing the pound…and joining a, wait for it…” eurozone” style CU.
Have you ever read such nonsense ?

Cost of living next…

” things are already too expensive”…yet breaking up the uk would mean higher costs for families. Does not say where but guessing in Scotland.

Apparently shopping for identical random shopping basket will be 16% higher in the uk than ireland, WHAT THE FECK !!!!!!

Then there is the old tired pish about the big hitter employers going to set up in england(as opposed to wales, NI, Europe)

Then it’s “save our shipyards”
Not even going there..!

Collapsing oil revenues (this year) would be same lost as is spent on all our schools..as part of UK spending on schools and our NHS is protected from risk !!!

There was me thinking scotlands NHS was completely separate from down south so the only threat is from a huge reduction in the barnett formula.

BT seemingly expect the oil to run out in 2034/35, just as the pensioners peak…so they also seem to know when people will live until
They even produced a graph !!

Best of both worlds next ..

Devo today.

We have full power over.
NHS
SCHOOLS
UNI and COLLEGES
LOCAL TRANSPORT
POLICE AND JUSTICE
ENVIROMENT
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
………………………………………..
Devo from 2016.

Plans have been put in place which blah blah blah….

Ok, it’s Devo Nano !
……………………………..
The Next Stage of Devo.

All 3 parties are putting forward their own proposals, like these..

More power to raise taxes without undermining the ability to transfer money to Scotland in times of need.
(Devo nano no change)?

Bringing the delivery of benefits to local areas including things like housing benefit..!
(there goes universal benefit i guess)

So there you have it (roughly).
The BT mailshot. 
I am away for a wee lie down.

@TJenny

I’m more of a rockhopper myself (some might say a jackass!). Hoping to make it to the Ferry jolly. I’ll get my human-suit dry cleaned specially.

Ninja Penguin – ah cannae wait. 🙂

Ninja Penguin – are rockhoppers the ones with the punk hairdos? You’ll be easily spotted then. 🙂

Penguins live in the southern hemisphere, in the northern we have the auks of which the puffin is a family member – here’s where they meet…

link to scottishpoetrylibrary.org.uk

Yesterday watched Scottish Parliament Committee’s on BBC Parliament channel81. Yes I did!

Economy Energy Tourism Committee’s session on BANNOCKBURN LIVE event. Made me sit up. SNP MSP’s rightly gives hard time to Stirling Deputy Provost Conservative Councillor Neil Benny for putting success of BANNOCKBURN LIVE in jeopardy by double booking ARMED FORCES DAY, on same day! SNP MSP’s suspect deliberate spoiler of Scotland’s BannockBurn celebration by UK MOD and Stirling’s LabCon Council!

ITS A ONCE IN LIFETIME EVENT:
Bannockburn Live is a two day event for all, on Saturday 28 and Sunday 29 June 2014 from 10am-7pm. Homecoming Scotland 2014 signature event of Scotland’s history and culture, commemorating 700th anniversary Battle of Bannockburn and best of Scottish traditional and contemporary music, food and drink and battle re-enactments, and the Gathering of 38 Clans.

Scottish Parliament’s Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee’s session on the Bannockburn Live event, repeated again today on IPlayer at 7:30pm:
link to bbc.co.uk

BannockBurn Live 2day Sat&Sun event:
Adult: £20.00 + £2.00 booking fee.
Child (5 – 13): £12.50 + £1.30 booking fee.
Family Ticket (4 people- must include at least 1 adult and at least 2 children (5-13)): £55.00 + £5.50 booking fee.
King’s Ticket: £75.00 + £7.50 booking fee (only purchased via ticketSOUP.com®).
Children under 5 go free (except for King’s ticket)

link to bannockburnlive.com

http://www.stirlingarmedforcesday.co.uk

ps: We must support BannockBurnLive and make it a roaring success. I’m going, I’m coming down from the frozen north, Aberdeen. Stirling has great road, rail links.
Event managed by Unique Events, of Edinburgh’s Hogmanay fame. It’ll be spectacular!

Bookie from Hell

The poor Sun is way behind the curve this time. Attacking cybernats is soooo yesterday. This will be it for the next 4 months – a rehash of fear and smear. It’s getting to be a bit tiresome and tedious.
Wasn’t Einsteins definition of madness doing the same thing again and again but expecting different results:)

Who chinged the rules on mockery, that wee lepreconey’s

needing rideculed fur wearing ah cone hat wie nae big, D.

Saw on YES SCOTLAND Dennis Canavan has invited G Brown to a debate on independence. What do you think the chances are of Big Gordie coming out of his den?

@TJenny

YES we must get it right up’em!
BannockBurn Live was in jeopardy.
Armed Forces Day nearly made it an uneconomic event, barstewards!
It’ll be good opportunity for YES Flags and Banners!
Have to get Wings and HorseBoy Tshirt printed.
Lets make it an All Scotland YES gathering.
See you all there!

Why was pedal on parliament dominated by unionists and not cyclists?

Why are the SNP anti-cycling by spending half as much on the new Forth crossing as labour?

Why does nobody in the SMSM ever ask anybody any pertinent questions?

@bookie from hell says:
Scottish Sun on Sunday
jim(fcuk off x 3)murphy

Here is the Sun piece on Jim (crybaby) Murphy.

link to i.imgur.com

Summary: He is brave and tough but is scared of the odd sweary tweet.

Utterly embarrassing.

I think the Sun may have put it up to make Jim look like a prat.

john king

Too late,there’s hundreds round my way chipping,putting,driving…oh,”gophers”..sorry.

@HorseBoy

Bannockburn Live Sat 28th

Going with Wife & Youngest daughter; just to get it right up Stirling Council !!

Couldnt miss the opportunity.

Also hope WoS do something big in Glasgow (or nearby) in August –
West Coast really needs something big before September > even to hammer the hostile media. Need to rally the troops!

Johann is saying: “Em … Ed. Are you forgettin something? There’s nae need fur aw that political claptrap. Folk in Scotland are no politically programmed tae make political decisions.”

CWU. Unbelievable they are supporting No. The post office is privatised under the Union!! They claim 60% of members in Scotland support this decision. I just don’t believe that.

Tartans you say ? ScotWeave dot com is me..

Dr. J Reid baron Reid of Cardowan.
Lord Robertson of Port Ellon KT, GCMG, FRSA, FRSE, PC.
Baroness Liddle of Coatdyke, PC
Brian Wilson.
Baron Martin of Springburn. PC. Unvieled Maggie Thatchers statue in parliament with pride.

They certainly did ok out of the working class, and the British Establishment, now they wrap themselves in the Union flag to show their gratitude and thanks to HMQ.

“The working class can kiss my ar*e I’ve got the bosses job at last”!

The 60% of the Scottish CWU members don’t appear to be the ones on Twitter, who are fuming about the declaration for No.

Les Wilson

What was even worse was the six women at the end of the programme posing idiotic infantile questions and with no answers offered

Quoting from Bella …..

“Unionists do not understand the complex, elaborate, consensual nature of the Union or what has actually held it together. Unionists do not do consensus; their Union is simple, naive and profoundly wrong-headed; a centralised London-centric British State. The failure of Better Together to ‘rise to the occasion’ is thus a function of Unionists’ failure to understand the real nature of what they believe in. Bewildered, frustrated and uncomprehending about what is happening to their unconsidered, confused, ill-thought-through verities; Unionists have replaced argument with resentment; facts with accusations; debate with hectoring. ”

….hit, nail, head.

horseboy says
“YES we must get it right up’em!
BannockBurn Live was in jeopardy.”

What a sweet victory that would be on two fronts,
to save the Bannockburn commemoration for the National trust,
and all thanks to the Yes campaign,
when the National Trust despise the very thought of independence,
if you listen really carefully you can hear teeth being ground into dust

What are the CWU trying to prove? Are they not meant to look after the interests of their members? They should be more concerned with how the privatisation of RM is going to affect their members not voting on an issue that frankly is fuck all to do with them

If Miliband’s foray into Scotland was meant to be him leading by example then we have little to fear.

Lidl and Reid won’t dare show face in Scotland, certainly not on their home patches, and if they do, they’ll be stealth missions. If they do any public appearances, and we get wind of them? There are people who will move heaven and earth to give them the welcome they deserve.

(Does Greggs do custard-pies? As well buying a stack of fruit from the bargain bin and leave it to fester, just in case…)

The choice for all CWU members in referendum:-

1. Vote “No”. Get a Tory or Tory/Lib Dem govt next year. ZERO chance of Royal Mail being brought back into public ownership.

2. Vote “No”. Get a Labour or Lab/Lib Dem govt next year. Point (i) : Labour originally proposed privatisation (Mandelson). Point (ii) : Cable, Clegg, Alexander et al are not remotely going to entertain re-nationalisation. Point (iii) : Despite 2013 Labour conference vote to re-nationalise, this was ‘slapped down’ by the leadership. “Senior Labour sources made it clear (to the Guardian) the party was not in favour of re-nationalisation, signalling that the leadership was prepared to ignore the motions in its election manifesto.” (source : labourlist.org.uk). In other words, ZERO chance of re-nationalisation.

3. Vote “Yes”. In an independent Scotland, SNP have pledged to bring Royal Mail back into public ownership (Salmond, First Minister’s Questions, 19/9/13).

If you’re a CWU member, it’s a no-brainer…

@haud on the noo

Great textile design site, you have. Looks very sophisticated!
I’ve searched tartan sites and the WALLACE seems to be Blue and White tartan.
I’m gonna see if I can Hire for the day.

You never know after 18th.September, YES may require an Independence tartan of say, mainly the Saltire’s, YES’s & WING’s Blue White with traces of SNP Black Yellow, Red for Independent Labour, Green for Greens, Red Yellow for SSP, Tommy’s Soidarity, and other trace colours of YES parties.

ps. sharpen your pencil.

pps. Rebus actor Ken Stott declares support for Yes!

I’m getting pi**ed off with people referring to Lord Reid as “john Reid”.He was elevated to the House of Lords many years ago.He accepted the title.He accepted the position as your superior.

@Mealer,yer gitting peed aff wie people cawing him John

(reid ) ah never cawed him anything other than John an I

met him a good few times, mind you his bodyguards were a

bit suspicious as to what I had in my briefcase, but never

asked Grrrrr.

In England, Labour voters defecting to UKIP.

link to thetimes.co.uk

Lord John “wi the Jag under ma arse that you all pay for” Reid of the Wishi brits oot – apart fae Scotland republican movement. to give him his full title if you please

I think Ed fired Jim Murphy as shadow defence sec because poor Jim kept whining about cybernats. Think about it, you’re future PM Milliband, you’re about to launch a Trident nuke strike and you’re righthand MOD man’s a bloke who’s frightened of tweets.

Hello Ronnie

Did you get together with Jock Scot and pen an “Anthem for Wings”.

Ronnie, we need a good marchin song to get us through to Sept 18th, and I don’t mean Glenn Miller.

Put yer heeds the gither and come up wi a Classic.

Alan Mackintosh – I haven’t got a link but I think it just changed the ‘Thanks’ to ‘Need To’, so that it read:
‘Lose the pound – No Need to, Vote YES’.

Maybe?

@Tam Jardine,

Here are some of the Yes wins since January, maybe someone can add to this? I have no idea how to make it into a graphic to post to twitter or anywhere.

Ayr College, 46%Y, 43%N, 11%DK
Prestwick Academy, 51%Y, 40%N, 9%DK
FOSIS Event, Strathclyde Uni, 68%Y, 32%N
Cambelltown Grammar, 51%Y, 28%N, 19%DK
Dundee & Angus College, 83%Y, 11%N, 6%DK
Tingwall Hall, Shetland,50%Y, 34%N, 16%DK
Glasgow Skeptics, 85%Y, 15%N
Plockton High School, 58%Y, 40%N
Glasgow Cally (Debate), 62%Y, 30%N, 8%DK
Glasgow Clyde College,44%Y, 39%N, 17%DK
Strathclyde Uni (Debate), 52%Y, 37%N, 11%DK
Speyside School, 48%Y, 44%N, 8%DK
Carloway, Western Isles, 57%Y, 37%N, 6%DK

Mary Bruce – thank goodness you posted these stats. The lot that Tam Jardine posted of Better Together’s stats had me worried – for a nano second. 🙂

@Les
I wasn’t happy with their coverage of the Margo commemoration either. Many minor issues, but the shot of Jim Sillars looking unhappy with some comment, who knows? maybe even the one which actually preceded the shot, stranger things have happened, really exemplified their instinct for bottom feeding in the unionist cesspool.

@geeo
“Remember guys, one complaint and the posters are gone…!!
Thats how it works right ?”

I think your forgetting about Exception 1, sub paragraph 5, codicil 6. 🙁

In case you havn’t looked That Story on the CWU actually says

“This decision is based on a need for unity against austerity and the barrage of cuts from the coalition government and the SNP in Scotland.”
:0

Democracy Reborn

Thanks for bringing it up. I saw your post on another thread then could not wade through the 600 or whatever comments from the last 24hours to find it again and address you!

Ian Brotherhood

Bon Appetite when the time comes

I expect that if someone traced the computers that produced those figures on wikipedia the trail would lead right back to Whitehall…

The other thing about NoBlair’s school polls that makes them kind of meaningless is that they include all the 12 to 15 year olds who can’t vote anyway.

In the Plockton School debate they asked the whole school but gave the results for both younger and older pupils (who will be eligible to vote). Including the younger pupils the result was 55 yes, 44 no. Excluding the younger pupils the result was 58 yes and 40 no (the figures I included above). Therefore, younger pupils were much more likely to vote no. From what I can see, all the schools on NoBlair’s graphic included the juniors.

I was wondering where that traffic cone over the statue had gone!

John King

Its the broken glass and debris on the cycle path that makes riding on them so unpleasant.

They are never maintained.

Drivers and bike riders are all human beings and a little more tolerance on both sides would go a long way.

The few seconds you lose behind a cyclist are soon made up should your rush be that important.

I always acknowledge cars that may be held up behind me but its rare that they return the compliment.

OOO whats this new Good Morning Britain thingy. More brainwashing.

Craig says
“I was wondering where that traffic cone over the statue had gone!”

Beat me to it,
that was exactly my first thought as well, maybe she’ll get done for vandalising a monument by stealing a fixture from it? 🙂

If you want to read about the Labour / Tory tag team that vetoed the zero hour contracts in Wales then there’s a good article here.

link to aberdareonline.co.uk

I shared it on my FB page and it has proven very popular with yes groups, especially NHS groups.

@Welsh not British,good post keep them comeing,Wales next

in line for Indy.

@George Kerrivan on Bbc,why are the Bbc members of the

CBI { they would’nt know the differance between a Spanner

& a Widget } thats the polite way of saying,

They dont know their Arse from their Elbow but question

why some of Bodies are members of the CBI as their not

Buisneses
Just another networking body,lobbying group hiding behind

unwary buisnessmen.

Did CBI member, GMS BBC Scotland do a report on Alex Salmond’s speech in Belgium today. If so, I must have missed it.

I caught them talking about the re-make of Dad’s Army and who would play Private Fraser. Are they havin a laugh.

It’s got to be our own messenger of doom, CBI card holder, Douglas Fraser.

“If you vote YES, we’re doomed, doomed a tell ye”.

I have heard that Douglas Fraser burst into uncontrollable fits of joy and excitement when he found out that BBC Scotland was actually a member of the CBI.

I’ve just had another removed by the CBI’s. Perhaps it wasn’t the friendliest but I think it is reasonable comment.

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It benefits from the security of a strong and stable currency

You’re having a laugh right? The UK’s GDP to Debt ratio is the eleventh worst in Europe, including non-EU nations.

and access to international trade markets

These would be closed to and independent Scotland?

An independent Scotland would need to mirror the UK’s Government’scurrent pace of deficit reduction to avoid breaching the 3% maximum deficit allowed by the EU’s Growth and Stability Pact before members have to consolidate their finances.

Is this an acknowledgement that Scotland will be allowed into the EU?

As part of the UK’s monetary, banking, fiscal and political union, Scotland also benefits from UK Government backing for the banking sector and deposit protection.

If you aren’t aware that bad banking debt is the responsibility of the country in which it was conducted, then you may have been promoted above your station. Are you seriously suggesting a Scottish governemnt wold allow such corrupt banking practices in the future?

As part of the UK’s monetary, banking, fiscal and political union, Scotland also benefits from UK Government backing for the banking sector and deposit protection.

And you need look no further than the Eurozone for salutary lessons about why currency unions may not be viable without banking, fiscal and political union.

So you disagree with Mark Carney, Governor of the Bank of England, that monetary union is workable and would require a limited sacrifice of sovereignty on both parts?

Keeping the pound is the best option for Scotland but that is only on offer through maintaining the Union.

Sterling is a fully traceable currency that any nation can use if it chooses. Would you care to correct this untruth?

Meanwhile, costs would increase for consumers.

Got any empirical evidence?

There would also be serious economic consequences for Scotland’s major economic powerhouses: defence & aerospace, financial services, energy, food & drink and higher education which together employ almost a million people.

Is is debatable as to whether such production of technology designed to kill and destroy, should actually be counted as a benefit to society in general. How sustainable is an economy built on violence?

Drawing a line between Gretna and Berwick, will also lead to Scotland drifting apart from its biggest trade market, the UK, and losing a significant amount of economic clout.

Is there not already an international border between Scotland and England? Are you suggesting border posts and razor wire?

As for Scotland’s future relationship with the European Union, an independent Scotland would also have to negotiate hard to get back into the EU. President Barroso has already made clear it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible.

I don’t think this is consistent with your point regarding “the EU’s Growth and Stability Pact”.

Mr. Cridland, your have been found lacking in the probity of your corporate governance, not to mention what appears to be a rather undemocratic approach to the independence debate. Please have the good grace to leave quietly.

@Betsy: “If Labour elves are your thing, here is Scotland’s Maddest Unionist Cllr Terry Kelly with an elf”.

Suffice to say that Terry Kelly’s article contains this, “Wendy and I then done a local radio interview”.

The conclusion being that the the local radio interviewer was well ant properly, “Done”

Caz-m

They covered AS speech in Bruges but immediately neutered it by quoting William Hague saying entry to Europe would be difficult. The omnipresent Curtice was added to the mix and what I understood from what he was explaining was both Yes and No are on a loser by bigging up the EU as most Scots are not that keen on EU.Are you following that so far? If you are I have not accurately reported the BBC!