Wings Over Scotland

It’s concerted Cybernat baiting,we need to deal with this eloquently.

I’ve got no time for people taking offence at everything up this is truly jaw dropping. I take it it’s meant to be funny? I don’t get it…

“Try anything once apart from incest and Morris dancing”
Can’t remember who said that. Will google.
Steve Bell has clearly list his mojo.

That is absolutely appealing and shameful they really have gone to a whole new low surely that merits a law suit?

That looks more like Johann Lamont. And incest? If that’s the best they can do we’ve nothing to fear.

WTF are they gibbering aboot? Whats next. burning the Waverly novels and the works of Rabbie in a bonfire in Trafalgar square? My Lord it is a short walk from “we love you” to this.

This is getting close to rabid paranoia on the part of the English chattering class.

Be prepared for anything from now on and get down to your local SNP and work your socks off.

With the recent MP comment over the First Minister the Unionists can show that they can dig down to deeper depths than we can imagine. What next infanticide?

Sewer and cesspit comes to mind with that lot.

And they wonder why their readership is dying. I’m surprised still so many people are buying this rag.

The English press. What a disgrace. I suppose it makes them feel good to denigrate Scots. I note we have no such bigotry going the other way and yet we have many English folk whining about anti-English sentiment. You would need to be a saint not to be annoyed.

Yup…that about sums up the opinions the of the London press towards Scotland

I don’t think either of them would wear a MacLeod Tartan..

I used to be a big fan of Steve Bell’s since his if cartoons in the time of Thatcher.

Yet another example of a lack of understanding of current Scottish politics.

Yet another source of disappointment along with Private Eye.

If that cartoon depicted people of colour while making British colonial sounding references to witch doctors & jungle drums, the paper would rightly be trashed for outdated, bigoted & racist attitudes.

But amongst the London Establishment, Scots are illogically exempt.

Grate Britain more like.

Fucking hell.

That’s the level we’re down to now, is it?

Well, on the bright side, it speaks to a degree of tone-deaf political ineptitude that will be more or less defenceless when 40+ SNP grown-ups come down to London and start teaching those entitled, soft-headed expenses junkies and state-sponsored child-molesters how politics really works.

To paraphrase Gimli: Westminster is only still twitching because Nicola’s axe is embedded in its nervous system.

No other country in the civilised world would allow such racist bile in their press. I suspect every Scottish no-voter is as disgusted as I am right now.

Is this as bad as it gets from the Guardian? Anti Scots democracy Graun rage has been building up lately.

Try everything once expect incest and folk dancing but looks like even English phoney leftie Britnats down south will not allow Scottish MP’s in Westminster, and only loyal red tory.

Surely someone somewhere in Scotland has to chose this moment to press the charge of racism? This has gone on way way way too long now? This is just not acceptable in anyone’s book. Everyone knows there are limits.

Last time I saw Steve Bell he was an overweight, unkempt, boozer with a bad temper, who sat about and farted a lot.

I remember thinking, you should get out more often.

Oh dear.

I’d just about calmed down after reading Massies “rivers of pish”article from yesterday as well.A new low indeed.

Mr Bell lost it a long time ago.

He is the unthreatening Cartoonist Laureate of the British Establishment.

…then they laugh at you ….. and then you win.

Tom: “Free speech. He can say what he likes unless he defames somebody specific. You may think that he’s a diddy, which to me seems like a fair comment, but running around with our hands in the air is a bit Charlie Hebdo. In other words, calm down, it’s only a cartoon, nobody has died and you will get over it.”

Why do people think “free speech” means “slag off whoever you like with impunity”? Free speech allows Bell to continuously show himself up as an anti-Scottish idiot – but it also allows us to criticise both him and the publication that didn’t think to go “err, Steve, could you maybe get back to us when you have something which is, you know, funny and satirical?”

If I was the grauniad editor, I’d be telling him to go back to the drawing board…

(Ba-doom TISH!)

That is absolutely appalling and shameful they really have gone to a whole new low surely that merits a law suit?
What is the I will kill you with hammers thing is that someone hacked your site?

Incest and Scottish country dancing – the cutting edge of British political satire.

I just feel so crushed 🙂

To those on the comment feed that are raging… fine, that’s understandable to a degree, but by raging, screaming and moaning YOU’RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.

Stay calm and work your socks off to win GE2015 for the indy party of your choice.

He’s afraid, very, very afraid.

On a slightly different matter: Labour claiming responsibility for the good social change over the last 100 years. The best Home Rule deal for Scotland, which was control of all policy, including defence and foreign policy, was put forward and debated in 1913, but was stopped by WW1.

Now, in more ‘democratic’ times none of the parties want democracy for Scotland. They are all afraid, very, very afraid.

I phoned up to make a complaint to BBC radio 4 this morning about appaling anti Scottish racism on the London/UK wide morning program.

Apparently a Tory alliance with UKIP to destroy the British economy is OK and not worthy of comment- and likewise a Tory alliance with the DUP threatening the Irish peace process is fine.

But God forbid any thought of a party representing Scotland in partnership in government. An alliance with the only party in the kingdom capable of balancing the books while protecting the vulnerable is beyond the pale.

Bells cartoon clearly is racist -please make a formal complaint.

It is not acceptable to use the word “incest” to insult the Scots and the current First Minister, and former First Minister.
The rUK wanted us to stay, and now the people of Scotland want the SNP to ensure delivery of Smith, end austerity and not to renew Trident,they don’t like it. Methinks the Tipping Point has been reached for this failed state.

This clown obviously thinks Jo Lamont’ is Nicky Sturgeon

Can’t you just feel the love.
Clearly democracy only suits them, if Scotland votes to have a load of seat warmers.
Vote SNP, give Scotland a voice.

Well this has made me change my mind.

I was going to vote SSP because I have never believed in tactical voting. I have voted SNP since I was able to vote (except, obviously, when I lived in England) and this was to be the first time when in Scotland that I wouldn’t.

So, SNP for me once more.

I am truly disgusted and heartily sick of being portrayed by Westminster politicians and the right-wing media as a subsidy junky, a whinger, a virus, a Nazi, a Commie, and so on. And now we Scots in this ‘family’ of nations are incestuous.

So if we are incestuous and we’re in a family with England perhaps he’s right as I hope Scotland fucks England over this general election.

I have no problem with English people (who are like any other – good and bad), the countryside and some towns are beautiful but this ‘England’ Establishment mindset is starting to make me quite resentful.

Satire in the Guardian is dead. For Whom The Bell Tolls? It tolls for Steve…

Wow. Allan Massie, John Major and Steve Bell all spewing vicious anti-Scot bullshit these past few days. As ever, I do a wee test – how would this sound if you replaced “Scots” with “blacks.”

“If the blacks are allowed to rule England…”
“Our red lines are jazz and incest.”

It would be utterly unacceptable racist abuse and would simply not be tolerated by right-thinking people. This kind of thing MUST be highlighted and MUST be stopped. Steve Bell should be fucking ashamed of himself and should be publicly shamed for his attitude. It wouldn’t be so bad if half of them didn’t spend their time accusing US of vicious anti-English racism while completely ignoring the planks in their own eyes.

They’ll whine and bleat that it’s “just a cartoon” and “it’s all light-hearted banter” and je suis fucking Charlie, but it is part of a broader movement in the English press to exclude Scotland from British democracy. It has to stop and it has to stop NOW.

Enough bullshit. Call the cops on these idiots.

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Paul patience says:
9 March, 2015 at 9:59 am

“Right I need to make a complaint before I fly to London and find this cunt.”

A wee bit of advice, if you are serious.

1 Someone, somewhere is already trying to find out who you are, just in case.

2 Don’t take a hammer with on the plane, as cabin baggage as it will be confiscated.

Only being satirical Officer.

Steve Bell slips from the gutter into sewers.

This is an insult to Charlie Hebdo, the SNP and all those victims of sexual abuse.

I think what both mean, is that regardless of who we vote for, we’re imposing something the rest of the UK doesn’t want.

If we vote labour we’re imposing a labour gov on the uk

If we vote Green/SSP or anything else – we’re imposing a labour gov on the UK.

If we vote SNP we’re imposing a labour and a tory gov on the UK.

In short we went from a cherished neighbour and the jam in their jelly roll, to an existential threat to the fabric of the UK. We are banquo’s ghost, the ghost of the commandant in Don Giovanni and the spirit of Xmas past/present & future. And we have scared them shitless.

The mask of banal unionism as slipped. Their terror of our influence has extended beyond the SNP and is extended to all parties.

We are The lords of Misrule. The Lords of Chaos. We are Godlike, malign & are known to bear malice. The Thames will foam with the blood of the innocent. etc etc.

Bell is just picking up on this Bilious froth that passes for cogent debate.

I am going to have to stop now as my Hyperbole & plausibility mincer is backing up with crud.

As someone said above it is paraphrasing the conductor Thomas Beecham: try anything once except incest and folk dancing.

It is a story Steve Jones uses to talk about genetics. He used it before explaining how closely related we are but here I cannot see the link beyond a generalised slur.

Brian W

Big LOL!

This makes me fill sick to the stomach
To use child abuse , Incest to attack Nicola & SNP is sick beyond belief

Incest must be a reference to all David Hamiltons “brothers and sisters” in the Labour Party.
Because they are well f**ked!

Just makes me very sad

It’s not a good cartoon and it is not “biting” in its satire/humour! (It’s not funny at all)

I compare this to the quality of Greg Moody and Chris Cairns and therefore consider it pitiful.

I’m not outraged just amused by the lack of skill.

eloquently kick his baws

Last time I saw Steve Bell was on ITV news coverage of that first Labour conference Milliband speech where not so Red Ed went speech note free and had just sacked poor old Morphy from Defence for kicks.

What a mess it was but Bell was in the front row and he stuck out with that beard but mainly with a look of quite creepy ecstasy, less man crush more idolatry for the saviour wunderkind.

Unfortunately prodigal Ed’s turned out to be just one shade less blue than your average Tory boy, so now we’re getting a kicking. He’s still funny Bell, a coward and bully sure but someone has to at least attempt phoney progressive liberal teamGB satire.

If Scottish democracy’s done anything for England, its really exposed the incredible stench of UKOK middle England hypocrisy to high heaven.

Aw, c’mon. There’s nothing like a good satirical cartoon……and this is nothing like a good satirical cartoon.

Greg Moodie he ain’t.

I challenge mr bell to do the same to Islam if he hs the balls

Where is oor friendly Will Podmore to explain it all to me .

I just do not get it …… Will …. ffs

Am I alone in being delighted at seeing this filth?

We are clearly winning and as Alex might say we are a furlong ahead going into the last furlong.

They now want us to get enraged and do something stupid but most of us are clearly not stupid.

If you read any stupidity like the K word or militancy please just suspect trolling.

“Work our socks of” is the clever thing to do!

i made a comment at the Guardian cartoon. I just used the one word: Racist.
– that was it and then it was removed! by the moderator of the comments page. Hmmmm
i have now unsubscribed.
So, how does this freedom of speech thing work then?
– Il est un charlatan.

From having seen some of Steve Bells work before, I knew he harboured an unhealthy hatred towards Scotland.

Clearly the man has some sort of psychological problems and deep seated mental issues, which he has difficulty dealing with.

Taranaich

Well said.

On the subject of Cartoonist, check out the double standards of the French:
link to davidicke.com

This quasi-racist attempt at humour so annoyed me I thought i’d check I was on the electoral register. Turns out I am not, despite having voted last Sept.

This could turn out to be a big issue. I have heard that those who were on the register/roll last Sept are still okay to vote in May but I am not certain. To avoid doubt, go to

link to gov.uk

with your National Insurance number and get registered.

I guess it is the only way to get back at the likes of Bell.

If you click to be on the Open register you will have your details offered up to anyone willing to pay for ’em. So avoid that option.

I see that anyone and their dog can get a postal vote – so plenty of room for postal vote fraud to commence, a la the Referendum last year.

Minute I saw the cartoon I wrote to the Guardian. My post attracted six upvotes in one minute before the moderator-police pulled it. Anybody tell me what’s “inappropriate” about this?

Oh dear, I didn’t think he could stoop any lower but he has.
I posted this a couple of months ago after another of his breath-taking insults directed against the Scots. Might as well wheel it out again . . .

I am inclined to the view that Bell has become (or maybe always was) that particularly obnoxious type of Anglo-British nationalist of whom there are only too many in this little island.

Quite some time ago, his brand of narrow-minded insularity and racism was one of the numerous traits of the English noted by another satirist – an Irish one – who, by the way, would not have allowed Bell’s tongue to have come anywhere near his footwear.
You’ll have heard it before no doubt but, in response to Bell and his ‘followers’ on CiF, Jonathan Swift’s opinions are worth repeating here.

You may recall he put his views into the mouth of the King of Brobdingnag who, following Gulliver’s boastful description of his English countrymen and their institutions replied:

“I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth.” (Gulliver’s travels Part II, Chapter VI)

Now, Steve, that’s what I call satire – funny isn’t it?

What about the guardian editor

Oh that looks fine steve,nothing wrong with the script,maybe put in a few extra tartan colours

wtf

I’m so infuriated that I have skipped straight to comment, so sorry if someone else has said this.

If those were two black people or two muslims depicted in that “cartoon”, the feet of the person behind it wouldn’t touch the ground. They would be charged with a Racial Breach of the Peace, have a night in the cells and appear in court the next day.

That is a Racist slur, period.

I can’t (because it would compromise me), but I would urge someone to report this matter to a local Police Station.

In Law, If a comment or action etc. is perceived as a racial Breach, then it must be dealt with.

I recall from last year that there was a cartoon of Alex Salmond as a dead haggis/set of bagpipes dripping blood and being carried off the hill as bagged by two presumably English hunters. This kind of shit has to be stopped.

I never did buy the Guardian when all the trendy Brit lefties were drooling over Tory Wedgwood Benn. If I said that about Morris Dancers and female Labourites I would have been called rycist.

I note this funny as cancer cretin has already been reported to the press complaints commission over nazi imagery. This deserves another complaint. Chocolate teapot time.

What ever Steve Bell comes out with, we should not go down into the same sewer. There isn’t enough pot holing equipment around to get that far down!

Lazy cultural mistake.
Sir Thomas Beecham said ‘Try everything once, except morris dancing and incest.’

Steve Bell has picked up on that, and assumes that Scottish Country Dancing is much the same thing.

Too obviously ignorant to be properly offensive.

@Brian Powell 10:07am

There was an interesting programme on BBC2 Scotland last night (not broadcast down south, as far as I can make out) about the use of highlanders during WW1.

Essentially, we were a source of canon fodder and it really didn’t matter that whole communities were effectively doomed through loss of significant numbers of breadwinners.

It can be viewed here link to bbc.co.uk

The Daily Mail finally switched to broadsheet?

Author_al says:

“Satire in the Guardian is dead. For Whom The Bell Tolls? It tolls for Steve…”

For Whom The Bells Trolls…surely 😉

Ron-this is a new one on me that the English perceive us as relative shaggers!

The cartoonist isn’t that good when he draws Susan Boyle in a strange way. I would ignore it. It proves that they are worried.

Nana posted a link to the telling off given to Labour this morning by the Scottish Sun’s Andy Nicoll. That is more important;

link to twitter.com

The linked ‘toon is an illustration of Bell’s archaic mindset.

Green Crap in one hand and a Sturgeon puppet in the other of a Dave Cameron with an English flag painted on his head.

That’s a typical right-on Britnat belief system about UK politics in full colour:

British nationalism (ahem, “Patriotism”) is a wonderful, unifying internationalism, as compared to the evil divisive nationalism of any of the UK’s components;

The SNP and the Tories are conspiring to destroy Great British Labour with their un-British nationalisms;

The ancient imbalances of the UK constitution don’t need to be examined;

The Green Party and all other left-of-centre parties are right-wing stalking horses meant to destroy the True Left of the Labour Party.

I note that he depicts NS as a neanderthal with a continuous eyebrow.

Really quite scary.

Wonder where the English get this warmongering, jingoistic, arrogant, racist, obnoxious superiority complex from? Living on past glories? They are an amoeba on the world stage now but still think they are a serious player. I detest these no voters that have lumbered us with this lot.

If we’re awe Jock Tamsons bairns, then Steve Bell must be the PLACENTA .

“nemo me impune lacessit” which translates to “no one provokes me with impunity” Yes it shows they are running scared, and that we are doing something right. From indy-ref to now, the one thing we have exposed is how the establishment closes ranks & swings it’s propaganda machines into action, from daily rags to mainstream TV, from supermarkets to banks, watch & learn as come next indy-ref we know what to expect.. The best way to react to provocation like this is to get active in your local SNP campaign & make sure we send as many MP’s down to the corrupt cesspit that they call THEIR WM & expose their lies, hypocrisy & downright illegal actions..

Steve Bell has obviously used up what little wit he had of his own and had to scrape the bottom of Bernard Manning’s barrel. Or maybe he just scraped Bernard’s bottom. A very sad individual.

This is racism at it’s worst, this should be reported and acted upon end of.

What happened to the “Love ” I ask. Oh well that will truly ended now that the Scots vote democratically! Meanwhile everything is fine, as long as we allow Westminster et al, to do whatever they want with us, without consequence.

But the cat is out of the bag…..

Of course it’s vile , of course it’s provocative ,it’s meant to be and it’s because they fear us like they always have, that’s the only reason to do this and it shows we’ve gotten to them
So boys and girls, lets do what we are the best at
Lets be funnier than them
I’ll guarantee you they’ll lose the plot first

I mean read the posts, i keep looking at it and there’s no joke it’s just offensive
I’m funnier then that in my sleep
“So lets get oot there and stick it tae thae cartoonists”

see what i did there!!!!!

It was once a commonly held belief in Scotland that the English were born with tails, which had to be docked. At the christening of Jamed VI the English delegation were mortified when their tables were served by satyrs with big long tails and so upset were they at this slight that one of their number wouldn’t eat his dinner and faced the wall. 🙂

Incest? I think we have been treated to an unwanted peek at the inner workings of Mr Bells sick mind.

Good luck to those that want to try their hand on the threads, but I now bear in mind that you can’t really wrestle with pigs without feeling shitty, and the pigs like it anyway.

I noted Will Podmores comment about the cartoon being vile, so well said, Will. I think you know well, we do not hate on the English, only Westminster.

I thought two things when I saw it, at least Muslims are getting a rest, and hopefully, right minded people will see how vile the cartoon is. It appeals to the very lowest common denominator.

I would say they are scared, but shame on those editors that let this, and Massies article through.

Tom: “It doesn’t mean that. It means slag off whatever you like with impunity. See Denmark for reference, a nation where nothing is off-piste, unless it’s personal. They seem quite well adjusted.”

You’re missing the point though – free speech extends both ways. Yes, he has the freedom to call us incestuous country dancers, but others have the freedom to get pissed off about it. I’d be very surprised if people in Denmark react any differently to humans everywhere else.

put it this way, if this was an African, Chinese or Pakistani people and culture they are trashing would this cartoon see the light of day? This is no different than a Ukipper going bongo bongo land on television.

Now I’m all for free speech and I’m happy for them to have their cake simply because they reveal themselves as not the enlightened well-educated middle-class press for the masses they think they are. Instead it casts a light on themselves and the readership they reflect. This is a suburbia of curtain twitching racists that have allowed the rise of a multitude of extreme right-wing groups to take hold in their communities, not because they are the silent majority, but they agree with them to some extent and see someone like Nigel Farage as a champion of the people.

So what we have here are people who can’t stand to be English, dress up their embarrassments in a British mask but actually only love the union if it is exclusively on their own terms. I’ve said it before on here, the denizens of the SE bubble love the Scottish scenery but don’t want the people that go with it.

Scotland is an important cash cow to the Treasury, we own 10 per cent of the British economy. That is the bottom line, take that away and there is a collapse, but it is also colossal leverage for us. All this fear of the Jock is dressed up as something to laugh at and nothing can upset where the power is, where the influence comes from and where the money goes. Reality of the situation is Britain is bankrupt and Scotland is key to fiscal recovery.

Smell the fear folks, they are choking on it.

Love bombed in the Referendum.

Hate bombed in the General Election.

The Establishment can do/say what they want about Scotland with impunity because the majority of Scottish citizens voted to keep the Establishment yoke around our neck.

Both sides of the House of Commons are controlled by the same Establishment (banks,multinational business empires)and it has been since the days of the East India Company (Founded: December 31, 1600)and the thought of the SNP getting in the way of their control of the public purse will not be tolerated.

The Establishment control the political system the legal system the security services the media so they have multiple options in taking you out of their way and it looks like all are being used to destroy a strong uncorrupted SNP and anyone that dares to support the SNP.

Democracy is a sham, we live in and always have a Plutocracy,pay your taxes watch your soaps do your 9 to 5 but do not ever start thinking for yourself, believe me it aint good for your health.

Well I do hope that those who thought they were better together with these people are happy. Nothing surprises me about Steve Bell his Referendum Cartoons were equally disgusting. I think we should say to people that they are not discriminating that this is all Scots.

Could the glove puppet and luminous turd be party of an acid flashback?

Is the cartoon an example of British Jock & Awe?

Good morning You beautiful Peoples.

Some people somewhere don’t like us do they,never mind.

Jesus Loves us as WE know

Don’t you Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, he canny hear me he must be still readin the Guardian. I’ll try him later oan.

That “hilarious” cartoon may not be eligible for a criminal charge INCITEMENT TO RACIAL HATRED, but as a former police officer, I would be inclined to seek a standard BREACH OF THE PEACE infraction against the miscreants as it fulfils the general lawbreaking definition…

“To prove a Breach of the Peace: The most important things to prove is that people were Alarmed, Annoyed or Disturbed by the incident.”

Then again, if any of us here on WoS did make a formal complaint to Police Scotland the acidic vile contemptible Guardian would trot out the “Whinging Jocks with no sense of humour” excuses.

Probably best to role with the punches.

But here’s the thing, and this is directed to UNIONIST READERS AND UNIONIST JOURNALISTS that visit this Wings Over Scotland website.

I WAS A LIFELONG LABOUR VOTER. All I want is for my country to be governed well. Hence I lent my vote to the SNP in 2007. The SNP did what they promised. Governed well. That’s excellent as far as I am concerned.

All the Guardian and their ilk do by insulting me and my countrymen and women with this excrement is make my vote – and it seems many others – stick even more with the SNP. You aint going to get this Labour voter back by insulting ex Labour voters! Nor I suspect hundreds of thousands of other Scots.

So Grauniad, you are marked zero out of ten for that puerile cartoon garbage.

Try harder or lose. Big time.

Methinks you are going to lose Scotland. Heavens above to think I wasted so many votes over decades ticking the Scottish Labour ballot. Just to send deadwood troughing MP lobby fodder down from Scotland to Westminster.

I feel far far more comfortable with the SNP fold now, and a lot cleaner for some reason?

For example, is it because Labour KILL DISABLED PEOPLE with their TOXIC welfare cuts introduced by Labour Minister James Purnell and obscenely revelled in by Iain Duncan Smith? This is a fact neither party can get away from nor wash their hands of the blood stains. Just Google “Welfare Reform Deaths”.

That is one example that will come back and bite those Westminster Yes Minister types in the backside.

The SNP have a DECENT set of policies that the real Labour Party would, or should be proud of. Looking after students, pensioners, the disabled, business [Small Business Rates Bonus Scheme helped us create over 100 jobs] – the whole SNP package is good.

But Labour? All we have now is the ghost of Labour led by a cadaver of a SLAB person.

I’m off for a while in disgust at the New Labour Party, Scottish Branch, and that vile rag of a newspaper.

Free speech and political cartoons are one thing; racism is another. Replace Nikki ‘n’ Eck with a couple of black people in grass skirts with bones through their noses and this is a court case. Imperialism still rules in some quarters.

It truly is war ‘twixt The Establishment and Scots. The Establishment will learn on May 7th that there is only going to be one winner.

Hail Alba

scott says:
“Maybe Steve Bell knows a lot about incest I don’t know.”

scott, my thought exactly!
😉

Where else would he get such a thought? Especially when you consider the fact that there has never even been one single incident associating the SNP with his subject matter.