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Posted on July 25, 2019 by

After it became the most-watched episode in the show’s history, the producers of The Alex Salmond Show made a double-length “Director’s Cut” of our recent interview, which you can watch below if you should feel so inclined.

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    1. Ruglonian says:

      Nice!

      We can’t have too much of our two favourite guys 😀

    2. Betty Boop says:

      @ Ruglonian

      Agreed 🙂

    3. John Graham says:

      Excellant interview. 40 minutes well spent. Congratulations to both Stuart Campbell and Alex Salmond for an entertaining and very informative video.

    4. Cactus says:

      An excellent interview/chat, cheers for sharing the unclipped cut

      The video should assist former no voters on their journey to Yes

      It’s said 1 week is a long time in politics, this time next Thursday

    5. john dickson says:

      I’ll have to wait till i get home, eagerly anticipating though.

    6. manandboy says:

      Listened all the way through, Stu, and glad to have done so. I’m left with the idea that once the broad canvas has been created, the present, and possibly future, interest lies in exploring the important details. Notably the tension between waiting to see how Brexit unfolds past October 31st,on the one hand, and on the other hand, the itch in the Yes Movement to get organised, get ready, and have something prepared to move Independence forward.

      Boris Johnson’s elevation to PM came as no surprise whatsoever, but his choice of Cabinet surely revealed an almost ruthless intent to bulldoze his way to leaving the EU.
      Adds a bit of urgency to the Independence timetable, does it not.

    7. Robert Kerr says:

      On Youtube soon?

    8. kapelmeister says:

      An extra helping of Stu. Grand.

      BoJo is now promising a new golden age. Deluded isn’t a strong enough word.

    9. Sharny Dubs says:

      Play it again Sam,
      And again,
      And again,
      And….

    10. Abulhaq says:

      Off topic.
      Johnson on PMQs…wind in sails, England arising? Anglo-Saxons sweeping like wolves on the fold? This may be just a flash in the pan, public school debating society performance. If not, and you do need to take stock of his entourage, do we possess those with the ‘know thine enemy’ skills and chutzpah to stir up a fine cleansing Scottish storm?
      Truly there is no finer, and more easily targeted sight, than the English ruling clique on the make.

    11. Tartan Tory says:

      Really good interview Stuart! I spent a good amount of time discussing Wings and the Wee Blue Book with Alex (& Moira) over lunch a few years ago, and I’m very pleased to see him taking it seriously enough to warrant this episode.

      It’s easy to assume that all our politicians spend their days reading everything that’s on-line, but for many of them, they only see (or hear) about a minutes worth of Twitteratti outrage and are left to form an opinion of something, or someone (hitherto unknown to them) based upon this.

      Of course, Alex was aware of Wings before our meeting, but he was a lot more informed after we parted! 🙂

    12. Colin Alexander says:

      Well done Stu for highlighting the failure of the SNP to establish in law whether an s30 is needed for an indyref.

      Or if it is, and refused, what is the legal basis for Scotland to exercise it’s right of self-determination. Such as a majority win for pro-independence manifesto MPs.

      When I say indyref, I don’t mean an opinion poll but, a legally authorititive vote on whether Scotland should dissolve the Union.

      The SNP have grown too comfy in their Scottish Parliament devolution seats as administrators of the British Empire’s Scottish colony.

      Following the EU Withdrawal Bill, the devolution powers of the Scottish Parliament have ALREADY been pre-stripped ( if Brexit goes ahead), with powers reserved to Westminster.

      Expect even further action to nullify the Scottish Parliament and SNP while the SNP administer their British Empire devolution.

      And Tweet about the injustices of it all.

      The SNP will be left to decide who can decide who is a man and who is a woman and administer the austerity cuts on councils and the Scottish NHS.

      And it seems that’s been the role the SNP have been happiest doing since 2014 under Nicola Sturgeon’s “leadership”.

    13. Colin Alexander says:

      New Craig Murray article out today:

      “Johnson’s Westminster Cabinet is Far to the Right of Thatcher”

    14. misteralz says:

      Really enjoyed that, thank you.

    15. Cactus says:

      A fine and hot sunny afternoon to you Alex Salmond

      Hmm, now that you have interviewed the excellent Wings…

      Would you like to consider writing a guest article for WOS?

      Cheers for all to date Alex, ahm ah big fan 🙂

    16. Sinky says:

      Labour gearing up for early general election. Ian Murray has sent a letter to 22,000 constituents which must cost a small fortune. Printed in Northumberland and posted via Royal Mail in Newcastle.
      Probably paid for by London Labour.

    17. Colin Alexander says:

      I wonder Why a couple of my comments went on the pre-moderation?

    18. Cactus says:

      Listening to ILR and watching the Johnson on a guest tv in their Hoose of Commons (between the signal intermittently disappearing… Note, all non-BBC channels continue to broadcast fine) the body language from him and his backbench tories is very revealing, work it out for yourself Wingers

      One week is a very lang time in politics…

      Ah reckon 24hrs should do it!

      Come Friday

    19. Cactus says:

      Aussi, fair play and comment to our politicians from and of the Scottish National Party, presently holding the tory party in their HOC to account

      Check out JRM nervously squirming in the background, they’re all static

      You’re going down Johnson

    20. Clootie says:

      Post Independence we will still need a fact check blog. The BBC and Unionist media will still be working against our Nation for man,many years after we gain political freedom.

    21. Cactus says:

      Two observations from yesterday…

      Did you notice:

      – Former PM Theresa May being upstaged by her hubby’s reactive comment of “that wisnae me” when a protester shouted out “Stop Brexit”, she lost her place ha ha ha then said “I should think not”

      – Boris the Johnson arriving to meet the queenie and having to be told by the 2nd greeter to turn and wave back to the people, he forgot

      Ain’t it fun!

      Mark

    22. Terry callachan says:

      Great interview
      Where would we be without these guys

      I’ve just received my letter from Dundee council checking who lives at my address regarding eligibility to vote ,you can now respond online.

      I decided to do that and then thought who is behind this company IDOX Software Ltd that collects the online information for councils.
      Can they be trusted
      I’m suspicious now of companies like this because of Cambridge analytical

      Checking IDOX software history I see it’s a company that is registered and operates from Hampshire the current CEO David Meaden used to be CEO of Northgate public services .

      His appointment at IDOX was immediately followed by a few resignations which were then followed by a few new appointments

      One of interest to me was a solicitor who is said to be Irish and had been working for Midlothian council

      Anyone know these people or this company IDOX solutions ?
      There is a YouTube presentation video online from 2016 which celebrates the appointment of the company by Glasgow city council to handle its election data collection

    23. defo says:

      Haun’s aff. The internet free cave is bagsy’d.

    24. Fireproofjim says:

      BBC’s news at 1.30 claimed it had heard that Ruth Davidson was “fuming” at her advice to Boris Johnston to keep Mundell was ignored.
      Word was that some Scottish Tories were calling for an independent Scottish party.
      Collapse starts with a few cracks in the rotten edifice, but actually I would welcome a truly Scottish Tory party. There will always be right wing and left wing in any healthy democracy but they need to recognise the fact that only in an independent Scotland will their voice count for anything.

    25. Petra says:

      Great stuff Stu and I can’t wait for Alex Salmond to clear his name. If you’re reading this Alex I’m sending all of my love and best wishes to you and Moira X

      ……………………

      BBC news reporting that Ruth Davidson is raging about Mundell getting the heave-ho and talking about breaking away from England again. Not on their online site yet (if ever). Just wondering what they’d actually do if they did dump England? Support remaining in the EU? Aye right!

      https://capx.co/splitting-the-scottish-conservatives-will-not-serve-the-union/

      ……………………….

      Johnston gets telt by Iain Blackford:-

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland

    26. Cactus says:

      Well said defo, may aye join ye’s both there, all welcome 😉

      Let’s have Riders On The Tory Storm…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv8GW1GaoIc

      Take a long holiday, let yer children PLAY

      Independence is a comin’

    27. Petra says:

      Ooops (Blackford Video) meant to add scroll down to ‘latest updates.’

    28. Del G says:

      Last time England had a golden age was in Elizabethan times. So Boris is going to see off the Europeans in the English Channel? Who is Boris’s Francis Drake?
      Spanish fleets repelled. No fish for them, then. Expect someone to get kippered.

    29. Abulhaq says:

      This is worth a scan.
      https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-dark-side-of-Scotland
      Especially so in the light of the new English pm’s exalted views on ‘being British’ and being independent.
      It also implies that if we truly desire independence we must be prepared to boldly go ahead and seize it.
      Whether that ‘we’ constitutes a majority is academic, as it is the case that a minority of hard liners, supported by the British state apparatus is holding Scotland back and that under the new régime that apparatus will not be lacking in aggression.
      As for ‘grievance’, the notion that Scotland doth complain too much is based purely on an anglocentric, blithely colonialist and cultural supremacist perspective. The subtext of history books tells a different story for those with the wit to work it out.
      Put simply, there are some views that will never change no matter how much ‘preaching’ they might receive. What then, brothers and sisters, is to be done?

    30. Cactus says:

      Afternoon Morgatron, wur awe and aye daein’ fine, from The End to The Storm, we might get some flash and boom-booms later tonight, that yin twas for you and all

      Scorchio on the east side of Caledonia

      It’s 69DegC in Westminster 🙂

      Second mark

    31. kapelmeister says:

      Looks like Ian Duncan is staying as the other minister at the Scottish Office.

      So the SO ministerial team is a major landowner who has hardly ever spoken in the Commons and a failed candidate who was ennobled and put in parliament literally within days of being rejected by voters in the 2017 election.

    32. Bob Mack says:

      What we are witnessing from Boris is the old “double bluff”.

      He knows fine well he will never get no deal through Parliament. He has been blocked already from that very route of suspending parliament in the final weeks. His Ministerial appointments of hard brexiteers is to give weight to the bluff for EU listeners and negotiators.

      Mr Johnson has made a career of bluff and buffoonery. He knows as well as the DUP that no deal will indeed mean the end of the Union in Scotland as well as N Ireland.

      This is a game of out staring your opponent.

    33. Cactus says:

      Thursday afternoon, fuck it! (that’s me quota for today, mibbies)

      Our former no voters be The Changeling’s:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8bwSJJhaW4

      Knock yerselves out!

      NB There are 10 songs within the L.A. Women album

    34. Cactus says:

      HA! That’s Woman, not Women

      Ah sound like Corbyn

      You knows

    35. Scozzie says:

      With Boris and his extreme right wing government, we’re definitely facing the end game one way or another. I hope this is the catalyst to shake the SNP into action. This is all or nothing territory now.

      I cannot see the EU granting a extension for the UK to sort its shit out – what has changed? There is even less likelihood of the current WA terms on the table being agreed by WM.

      They may grant a token short extension to see the results of a GE but it will be futile as a GE is all pointing to a Tory / Brexit Party coalition.

      All those Wings BLT waiters – how long do we keep waiting?

      Everyone in WM/HR has fucked off for holidays like it’s a normal governmental cycle!!!!

      Time is now, time to act. Forget stopping Brexit get on with independence.

    36. Petra says:

      O/T

      C’mon folks we’ve suffered greatly, enormously, at the hands of the English for centuries now. The last round of Eton buffoons have now been replaced by the most vicious cabal of cruel, callous and corrupt right wing Tories in British history: Lead by a narcissistic madman.

      Scotland could be one of the wealthiest, overall best, countries in the world to live in if we could rid ourselves of our parasite.

      Please join us in saving Scotland, our children and grandchildren from further misery. Total devastation in fact.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCtJ4kXUtb8

    37. Cactus says:

      IF nobody has any objections… think ah’ll try out the other eight, within space and time

      Don’t ye just not LOVE the Theresa May as she’s NOW walked oot the door.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th04azA3ueg

      Scotland has been down SO GOD DAMN long under Westminster overrule

      Break the lock & key

    38. Socrates MacSporran says:

      To be fair to Boris Johnson (and how difficult I found it to write that) – he is on the record as saying that any referendum – be it on independence, or leaving the EU – should be a “once in a generation event.”

      Now leaving aside that Alex Salmond said, when he made the once in a generation remark, that is was his personal opinion (and in any case he was referring to a “political generation”, roughly five to seven years); and remembering, the Tories have tried, ever since, to make out that that was the official SNP stance; it is surely clear, Boris will never agree to a Section 30 order.

      The SNP therefore, can now safely push ahead using their triple lock mandate, to hold their referendum – since Westminster will never agree to it, for as long as Boris is PM.

      Boris has decided, with or without a deal, the UK is leaving the EU on October 31. The time for dithering is over, we must push ahead with the referendum, with or without the S30 order.

    39. Cactus says:

      New analogy forthwith:

      See with the Johnson being ‘king’ of the present UK…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1rh-RQoX2I

      He be the crawling snake… don’t you know

      What ah room eh (NB Jim sounds very Scottish within THIS song)

      Hey marky mark!

    40. Robert Peffers says:

      Great stuff Stu & Alex. Helped to stop me going mad as I can watch on-line video but cannot follow the printed word. The other uplifting stuff was Ian Blackford getting at Boris. Boris can consider himself weel telt.

      I believe they just don’t understand what is being told to them or just do not believe it to be true. Just how many times must they be told that Scotland will not be dragged out of Europe against the will of the people of Scotland?

    41. Effijy says:

      I’m deeply concerned that the First Minister’s petition to show support
      For Independence is well short of the paltry 300,000 signature target she set.

      While the Irish among many others were willing to lay down. Their lives to
      Free their country from the stifling grip of Westminster, it seems Scots are
      Unwilling to put their name on a petition.

      So many of you wonder why Nicola has fires the starting gun for independence
      I think the obvious answer is she hasn’t been given any bullets.

      Unless this target number is reached, we are giving the Unionists a silver bullet
      That kills off the idea of breaking away from the Union.

      I’d be grateful for any post explaining why People can’t be bother to sign up when the alternative
      Is Bojo’s Tory abuse of our country, a fascist future and economic disaster.

    42. Cactus says:

      Mad dugs and the Johnson go out in the mid-day sun

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcBr3rosvNQ

      Peak glow is frae 11am to 3pm

      It’s safe NOW

    43. cynicalHighlander says:

      Have you got a double over at the radio chat Cactus?

    44. Cactus says:

      It is SAFER now, not safe, RA is powerful

      Keep putting it on until you next floss

      Sunscreen, that is…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ7AzBIJoI

      YOU are NOT as fat as you imagine… you be bonnie

      Stretch

    45. Vestas says:

      Decent watch, filled out some rather obvious editing on the previous video which left me wondering what had been cut.

      Not at all sure Salmond “got” online indy media properly.

    46. Cactus says:

      Indeed cynicalHighlander ~

      One is everywhere 😉

      How’s yer evenin’?

      Cheers for saying hi

    47. kapelmeister says:

      Johnson and his crew are the neo-Elizabethans.

      They’re all just in it for the lute.

    48. TheItalianJob says:

      Saw the online “cut” version a few weeks back but good to now see the full “uncut” version.

      Lots of good questions and replies by Stu.

    49. Cactus says:

      Do one thing every day that scares you, said Baz…

      But don’t vote for ukUnionist parties

      Why would ye vote for the dying?

    50. Cactus says:

      Watching ah guest tv RA NOW… it’s all England, England, England!!

      Did ye see that, Scotland, watching ur everyday television tv?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgw5j9h8528

      The sun shines UP on Scotland

    51. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Fireproofjim @ 14:29,

      Well said. The existence of pro-indy parties across the political spectrum would also frustrate the usual BBC/STV tactic of heavily front-loading news and topical programmes with BritNat voices (all in the interests of political “balance”, natch!).

    52. Abulhaq says:

      @Robert Peffers 3:59
      “Just how many times must they be told that Scotland will not be dragged out of Europe against the will of the people of Scotland?”
      To which Johnson retorts…so go ahead, stop it, and btw how might you intend to do that?
      That is the question to which we have, as yet, no firm answer; and don’t for pity’s sake say it’s a ‘secret ploy’.
      Huff n puff, bluster, legalism, constitutionalism, plans A&B and an array of ‘possibles’ is what the SNP leadership has delivered to the faithful over these three years. You can hardly blame Johnson for not taking the threat of Scottish independence seriously, anymore than May did.
      Do your worst! If only….

    53. William Habib Steele says:

      I watched the original programme on the AS Show. I’m glad to have watched this today.

      All the best Stuart!

    54. Cactus says:

      Headin’ oot furra stetch Wingers.. have FUN, bblaters

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWlTlplbISY

      BREAKING NB: There be trains buckled on them tracks, shock horror!

    55. twathater says:

      Effigy @ 4.o3 pm do you have a link for that petition , I have signed so many petitions re Scotland’s independence that I have lost focus and count ,

      I commented on a previous post that Nicola has asked the Scottish people to let her know when they want indy , but she has never supplied the official methodology or avenue to gauge the people’s opinion or number . It is all very well asking people to sign a petition but as we all know these methods are open to abuse and disruption ,also it relies on the people to inform others of its existence rather than a broadcast from our government to inform people ( I know ,I know not allowed ) .

      The idea floated in the past re Clearpoll apart from a referendum would be the most indicative of opinion

      The problem as I see it is that the efforts are not focused enough there are too many people and organisations working independently from the central point although they have the same goal , the very fact that the people voted the SNP and Nicola into government for Scotland where their very reason for existing is independence negates any further confirmation

      I know that there are some ( ahem ) who supposedly voted for the SNP for better governance in Scotland but shurely they are not stupid enough to think that independence would NOT be the ultimate goal , but there again when we vote in a referendum they will have a choice , Scotland independent with a choice of good governance , or remaining in a union with a corrupt ineffective imbecilic shower of racist xenaphobes who treat them and their country as FODDER

      Their choice will be made at the ballot box ( maybe )

    56. Cactus says:

      Televisual TV Shock! Horror!… ahn here’s me thinkin’ the ‘Tipping Point’ was ah sexual position

      He he ha-ha 🙂

      Naughty

    57. Vestas says:

      “Effijy says:
      25 July, 2019 at 4:03 pm

      I’m deeply concerned that the First Minister’s petition to show support
      For Independence is well short of the paltry 300,000 signature target she set”

      I think that’s more a case that fewer and fewer of us think Mr & Mrs Murrell are likely to ever call a plebiscite, regardless of how many sign up.

      One of them needs to go, simple as that.

      Scotland’s future can’t be in the hands of a husband & wife team, both of whom make a very nice living with the current constitutional arrangements.

      I’m sure many of you will disagree however I’ll leave you with this thought :

      What the fuck is the point of another “mandate” if you’re totally unwilling to act on any of the existing mandates you hold?

      I no longer believe the current SNP leadership has independence as its first priority.

      No more excuses, what do they want – a fucking alien invasion?

    58. Cactus says:

      Just did it, cheers Rev

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIYGhs9K9yk

      Full V… coolio guitar solo and stretch

      Ahm awa NOW!

    59. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Effijy @ 16:03,

      It’s the old chicken-and-egg conundrum. Ordinary people – not least during the holiday period – have other more-immediate interests to pursue, whether we obsessives like it or not. It’s deeply regrettable, since it’s everyone’s future, not just ours, but I fear more won’t get engaged until a campaign is fully underway.

      It will require real political courage and a resolute shrugging-off of dependence on focus groups, polls and suchlike. Given such leadership from the front, the latent frustration and wish to escape from this mess will explode, I feel. By whatever means, we require action on the pro-indy side to open up a tangible process for exiting the UK that offers a more plausible alternative way forward for the future than BoJo’s claim to “cut the Gordian knot” with an abrupt Brexit at Halloween.

      But we probably have to wait just a little longer to see that claim exposed as hollow, and for events to demonstrate conclusively that the pro-EU BritNats like the FibDems can’t possibly deliver either. All comforting illusions shattered.

      Still, in the meantime a visible hardening of the SNP position would be very welcome, as a definite declaration of intent. Significantly upping the pace of important preparations such as the Referendum Bill, for example.

    60. Fergus Green says:

      Can anyone work out what is happening at All under One Banner?

      Looks like the in-fighting has come to a head, but the march in Campbelltown will still go ahead (but under a different banner).

    61. lumilumi says:

      Thank you, a very enjoyable and informative watch.

      I’m going to show this to my friends who work at YLE, our national broadcaster that still gets almost all its British news from the BBC, usually quite uncritically.

    62. Cactus says:

      Ahm oot, yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

      The sun shines UPon Scotland

      Evenin’ Fergus Green, ah’ve followed many of your posts on the BBC web btl pages, cheers for stickin’ it to ’em, like…

      Math Man, No2EU, EnglandistheUK…

      Shout out for and to Peter Piper dude

      That’s not cricket he-he ha-ha hey!

    63. Colin Alexander says:

      Thanks to Stuart, I enjoyed the video.

      When talk was about s30 and Edinburgh Agreement, am I the only yin that wanted Stu to ask Alex:

      “Do you accept that that was a mistake, that the SNP Scot Govt didn’t go to court to establish if an s30 was even needed?

    64. Robert Louis says:

      So now Ruth Davidson, the lazy do-nothing pretendy ‘branch manager of the Tories in Scotland’, is upset because she has just been ignored by Boris the clown Prime Minister. All I can say, is welcome to the reality of the union, Ruth. This is EXACTLY why so many Scots now desperately want independence. How did it take so long for you to notice??

      Here’s how it works, you’re Scottish, so as far as Westminster is concerned, you should shut the F up, and do as your London masters tell you.

      The oh, so f***ing ‘precious’ union, that you love. Suck it up, Davidson, suck it up.

    65. Balaaargh says:

      The new laird claims no-deal would not be seriously damaging.

      Yet another Brekshiteer who fails to grasp how fucked up the 1st November will be for those outside the landed gentry.

      It’s not that the UK can’t survive outside the EU and it’s not that it can’t do a no-deal successfully, it’s that in order to do that safely, it takes a hell of a lot longer than the three years we’ve already had to invest in new infrastructure and processes across the entire economy to prepare for it properly.

      The Rev retweeted a brilliant thread on Twitter about the impact to Mars bar manufacturing and the only responses were “well, mars bars make us fat so it’s a good thing”. None of them grasped the fact that it would take years of investment and training to upskill any of the UK ports to be able to handle cocoa to the same level of expertise as Rotterdam – which somebody has to pay for. Companies exist to make money and you’d think our entrepreneur Tory laird would understand that. Raising and spending the sums required doesn’t happen overnight and companies would prefer to avoid hocking themselves out to build a new cocoa processing plant if it turns out they didn’t need to after all because politicians were able to do sensible things.

      Replicate that across the entire UK. How much of our food supply chain involves processing outside the UK border? Chocolate, vegetables, fruit, meat, sugars? Dairy? And then there’s other business sectors. Medicines? Clothing material?

      Leaving on no deal means there will be no cost or time saving in spreading the supply chain across the EU. So then there are only two options: do everything in the UK or import completed products from elsewhere.

      As mentioned, doing everything in the UK requires a lot of time and money to do right. Meanwhile, you have shortages and rationing of those products. Or you import stuff already made elsewhere and how do you think those Mars employees in Slough will feel because Mars bars will be imported direct from the Netherlands (like HP sauce, BTW) making them redundant?

      Renting out tents and storage lockers might have made him rich but that doesn’t mean he understands how business works.

    66. Cactus says:

      Exactly, take Joy Worrall for example, she DID do the suicide:
      https://twitter.com/LouiseRawAuthor/status/1154404485030133760

      There have been 120,000+ uk people that have been killed by Austerity ~ FACT

      Like Joy Worrall, who killed herself aged 82 with £5 left

      Ah heidin’ back doon the harbour

    67. Cactus says:

      Joy Worrall could have been YOUR late mother

      HOW does that make you feel Scotland?

      Love yer maw xxx

    68. Cactus says:

      Check out several of Cairnstoons contributions to our debate

      The tories have copious amounts of blood on their hauns

      SO does Trump’s L’America…
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7eEkT9oBak

      The incoming and outgoing tide is the tide, ye cannae alter it

      Gonnae teach YOU how to… find yourself

    69. Essexexile says:

      Enjoyed the 12” version even more than the radio edit!
      Surely that ‘our man in Moscow’ quip was staged though? Everyone knows that’s Alex! (He may yet turn out to be a spectacularly elaborate double agent who, after years of pretending to be anti UK establishment, gets close enough to Putin’s inner circle to pass vital intelligence back to his handler, Fluffy Mundell)

      Seriously though, not sure I remembered it in the shorter version of the interview, but AS questions about swearing / controversy leaving you open to attack from Unionists were well put and tbh I wasn’t blown away by your answer. ‘They’ll attack me anyway’ is absolutely true but giving them the ideal opportunity not to take your message seriously should be, well, taken seriously.
      Don’t get me wrong, I love it when you refer to a Unionist dullard on Twitter as an imbecilic wankpuffin (you can have that one, gratis) but AS as devil’s advocate representing the ill informed masses, does have a point.
      More generally, I thoroughly warmed to AS the interviewer having been thoroughly lukewarm about AS the politician for decades so there’s progress there. You also come across extremely well. Confidently assured, genuine, intelligent and eloquent. All of Bojo’s cabinet are missing at least one of those qualities although that’s a pretty ropey point of reference.

    70. Cactus says:

      Open stage for YOU lurkers at 1830hrs…

    71. Col.Blimp IV says:

      Vestas says: “…what do they want – a fucking alien invasion?”

      It might have happened about twenty years ago…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdWVQQbYDY8

    72. Cactus says:

      Excitement still exists… it’s Thursday evenin’ Scotland

      Get yerself in amongst it awe

      Night-time comes

    73. Hamish100 says:

      Albuhacker

      “….What then, brothers and sisters, is to be done?”

      R u T. Sheridan esq. by chance?

      Lol

    74. Fireproofjim says:

      On the BBC News tonight our new colonial governor, (name escapes me) was asked what would happen if Holyrood asked for Inde2. He replied without a moment’s hesitation “it would be refused”.
      I believe the SNP are quite aware of that, and that is why the legal instruments for an alternative route are being prepared.
      Its still all confusion over Brexit and clarity will be some time in coming. Patience comrades.

    75. Maria F says:

      Thank you for the video, Stu. I was left wanting to hear more about the section 30. It is a matter that I really want to hear being properly discussed at all levels (not just legally, but rationally and logically) and nobody seems to be really getting their teeth into it properly as they should by now.

      Like you, I would like to see a real court challenge to that section 30 order. But differently to you, if I understood you correctly (apologies if I didn’t), I am not really sure that an English supreme court would be the place for it. In my view the place for it would be a Scottish court, because that section 30 order is, in my opinion, impairing Scotland’s right to self determination, Scotland’s claim of right and Scotland’s right to unilaterally dissolve an international treaty whose circumstances have changed dramatically in the last 300 years. The English supreme court is an entity whose existence relies on Scotland giving its consent for the union to go on, so I do not see how such a court could be considered impartial enough to treat such matter.

      I must admit I have never understood the need for this section 30 order and who in fact should be issuing this if indeed there was a need for one.

      If I understand correctly this section 30 order is merely an agreement to accept the result of a plebiscite in Scotland.

      Well, who should really be accept the result?

      Primarily Scotland itself, so in a way, if anybody here has to issue a section 30 order at all it should be the Parliament of Scotland because this is the only Parliament in the UK that exclusively represents Scotland and where every single MP has been elected by the people of Scotland. To me this is a no brainer. I would understand that such parliament would need to issue such document to guarantee that ALL the political parties in Scotland will respect the result and with it the democratic will of the people of Scotland.

      The UK
      Why should the UK issue a section 30 order? What is the UK? The UK is not a new state independent from Scotland. It is not a state that “owns” Scotland. As a matter of fact the “UK” only exists because Scotland allows it to continue to exist. The UK will cease to exist the minute Scotland votes for independence or files for dissolution of the treaty of union. Entities such as the UK gov and UK parl only have legitimacy to act over Scotland for as long as Scotland gives them such legitimacy. So how can credibly be any entity whose existence depends on Scotland giving its consent for it be the one that determines if Scotland can dissolve it or not? Doesn’t that point to a massive conflict of interests there and therefore partiality on a mammoth scale? Isn’t stopping Scotland having a referendum a for which its people has already given a mandate a violation of Scotland’s right to unilaterally dissolve that treaty?

      How can it be possible then for Scotland to unilaterally dissolve the treaty, as it must be its right, and not possible however to run a simple independence referendum that will determine if the people of Scotland gives a mandate to dissolve that treaty?

      Those are, in my view, reasons why the UK issuing a section 30 order is absurd and violates Scotland’s right to unilaterally dissolve the treaty.

      I think it is also absurd because there are only 2 partners to that treaty that Scotland signed: the kingdoms of Scotland and England – the UK is both. So isn’t it silly that Scotland has to give the section 30 to itself? And if it has to give consent to itself, isn’t it more logical and rational that such consent comes from the real Parliament of Scotland, the one that is elected 100% by the People of Scotland, that is located in Scotland and that represent exclusively Scotland and that whose existence will not be threatened by such referendum?

      As per the Kingdom of England, which is, in my view, really who in practice is giving/denying this section 30 order because every single MP in the gov cabinet is from England and 90% of those sitting in the UK parliament are representatives of the Kingdom of England, it really begs the question: why on earth should the Kingdom of England or any of its legitimate representatives have any say whatsoever in Scotland’s own constitutional matters and own constitutional decisions? If Scotland dissolves the treaty, the treaty is over, no matter if the Kingdom of England wants it to continue or not. The kingdom of England on itself will not be able to preserve that treaty.

      This brings us to the same situation as the EU and brexit. Did the UK gov ever requested a section 30 order or similar from the EU to “avoid brexit being challenged in the courts” or to ensure the 27 would respect the vote of the people in the UK?
      No. Why should then Scotland have to request one?

      The only situation I can see whereby Scotland needs this section 30 order is if Scotland is not an equal partner in the union and it is not in any union at all. It is in fact a dominion that has been absorbed by a partner who has abused an international treaty to implement a take over. That is the only possible situation where I could understand the requirement for this. In this instance, it will not be the “UK” issuing the section 30 order but rather the Kingdom of England.

      But if this is the case, and Scotland is a colony, then why they continue calling it “union”? And if Scotland is a colony, why has our gov and parliament, the minute the vow was breached, Scotland’s vote overruled and our devolution settlement bulldozed, not applied directly to the UN and request the immediate commencement of decolonisation procedures under the charter of the UN of which “the UK” is a signatory? We gave a mandate to the Scottish gov for a referendum and that is, if I am not mistaken, contemplated within the articles of the decolonisation charter of the UN as a reason to facilitate by the main state what is required for that plebiscite to take place.

      I think all this must be explained and explained in full detail and comprehensively. There are far too many questions now, questions regarding the real status of Scotland in this union, questions regarding the real authority of a UK gov and parliament to limit Scotland’s right to self determination and to end a treaty and the requirements of a section 30 order when the same was not required for the UK to trigger A50.

      I think we are having both bad worlds combined into one here and that is why I think it is time the real status of Scotland is revealed:

      We are treated like a colony, and the idea that Scotland even requires this section 30 order to exercise its right to dissolve the treaty is a clear example. Yet, because they Kingdom of England’s representatives talk about a “union” to deceive us into believe the Uk is a real union, then they escape scrutiny and escape the decolonisation charter of the UN that they signed to.

      So what is it going to be then, is Scotland a colony and therefore requires a section 30 order and consent from the Kingdom of Engnland’s representatives to hold a referendum and can therefore request the start of decolonisation process under the UN charter, or Scotland is an equal partner in a voluntary union where it retains all the rights to unilaterally dissolve the treaty of union and therefore the requirement of a section 30 order is just nonsense?

      I understand that attorneys like Mr Tomkins and others (unionists the lot of them) who advised the UK gov regarding the need of this section 30 order, have claimed and still claim that the “union” is considered a reserved matter under section 29 of the Scotland Act and that is the reason as to why a section 30 is required because allegedly, the parliament of Scotland does not have competency for reserved matters.

      I am not lawyer and have no legal education, but I do have a brain that I like using and subjecting to challenge as many times as I can. Like anything else in nature, in a 21st century democracy law cannot pretend to supersede or escape logic or rationale and then expect to remain credible or acceptable – that is what a dictatorship would do.

      On the basis of this, I question this “reserved matter argument” and would much appreciate if anybody out there has the energy and will to read this rather long and boring comment and would be so kind as to offer a credible, verifiable, reasoned and expressed in lawman terms please, explanation.

      I question it because if it is true under international law that international treaties can be unilaterally dissolved after a material change of circumstances or after the failure of one of the partners in the agreement to respect the conditions/articles of the treaty, like for example attempting to impose on the other partner/s its own interpretation of the treaty for its own advantage; doesn’t in fact such restriction in the Scotland Act by unilaterally “reserving” matters of the union actually constitute at all effects an attempt of the Kingdom of England to impose on Scotalnd its own interpretation of the treaty?

      I question this because until what point is it legitimate for the UK state/UK Supreme Court/UKgov which actually relies on Scotland’s consent for its legitimacy to continue to actually impose any limitations at all in Scotland’s right to unilaterally dissolve the treaty of union? Wouldn’t it be far more logic that the matter of the continuity of the union be if anything reserved to the Parliaments of Scotland and England which were the ones that passed the Acts that gave legitimacy to the UK parliament to exist in the first place?

      Shouldn’t therefore be those the Parliaments that should legislate to end the union?

      Am I the only cynic here that thinks that perhaps the reason why the “union” has been selected as a “reserved” matter is because England does no longer have its own parliament and therefore Scotland can stop this union whenever it wants but England cannot because that would mean having to use officially the Parliament of the UK as if it was England’s parliament and this would completely destroy the idea that the UK parl was ever a UK parl at all?

      I also question this “reserved” issue from another angle, the one of clear breach of contract. The Scotland Act was an agreement between 2 parties, the Kingdom of Scotland and the UK(Kingdom of England??). That Scotland Act may say that matters of the union are “reserved”, but it also makes the assumption that all the powers that are not reserved are devolved. That Act also included the right of the kingdom of Scotland’s parliament to pass bills.

      Now, those 2 staples of the devolution contract between Scotland and the UK State (The kingdom of England?), have been violated unilaterally and without the consent of the people of Scotland.

      In business, if one partner breaches a contract or informs the other partner that intends to breach the contract, not only this leads to potential lawsuit for damages but it gives the other partner the right to end the contract for breach. If one partner does not longer abide by the conditions of the contract, then it cannot expect that the other partners must continue abiding by the conditions of the agreement as if nothing happened. In other words, the contract comes to an end because the trust and the agreement has been broken.

      The Scotland Act/Devolution settlement was essentially a contract between 2 parties. One of them was Scotland, the other I am not sure if the UK state (of which Scotland is part of so it seems ridiculous that Scotland is doing a pact with itself) or the Kingdom of England. That contract was breached truly and fully with the power grab and the recent ruling of the England Supreme Court regarding Scotland’s bill. This to me means that the demands from the UK state/Kingdom of England now for us to continue abiding by the conditions of that breached contract are just complete nonsense.

      In conclusion. I have looked at this from many angles and, admittedly without a legal perspective, I have failed every single time to find any logic in this section 30 thingy. The only possible scenario where I can logically understand this is in the colonial situation, but even in this case, and in line with the UN charter, as there is already a mandate from the people of Scotland for this referendum, the UK cannot simply turn round and deny this. Perhaps this is the reason by Jo Swinson has been given the brief of repeating, repeating and denying and denying again that Scotland has a mandate.

      Here is a link of a Tomkins’s article in 2012 where he discusses this and says interesting, very interesting things about the repercussions of the question in the ballot, particularly because it would be Holyrood who chooses the question. He also mentions that what is reserved is the union between the Kingdoms of Scotland and England,. Interestingly, the union with the Kingdom of Ireland does not appear to be reserved, which begs the question as to why, but that is another matter entirely).

      https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2012/01/12/adam-tomkins-the-scottish-parliament-and-the-independence-referendum/

      I particularly like this part:

      “Recall also the rather elementary point that something can be binding in the British constitutional order without it being legally required in the strictest sense. Referendums are not opinion polls: their purpose is not to test public opinion, but to make decisions. They are appeals directly to the people to make a decision that, for whatever reason, is felt to be more appropriately made by the public than by a legislature. As the House of Lords Constitution Committee observed in its authoritative report on referendums and their place in the UK constitutional order, even where a referendum was legally only advisory, “it would be difficult for Parliament to ignore a decisive expression of public opinion” (12th report of 2009-10, HL 99, para 197). This sense of the binding/advisory distinction may therefore not amount to very much.”

      “it would be difficult for Parliament to ignore a decisive expression of public opinion” (12th report of 2009-10, HL 99, para 197)

      This bit, in my view, explains very nicely why the unionists (colonialists?) are so, so desperate to stop a referendum even if is only advisory: because once the people of Scotland has voted for independence it is a mandate for dissolution of the treaty and they cannot turn round to the world and say that they do not accept it.

      And this is yet another reason more why I think this section 30 order is pure bogus and just another tool to add obstacles to independence and to create the illusion that the UK state/Kingdom of England have any say in Scotland’s referendum.

    76. Petra says:

      @ Abulhaq says at 4:47 pm … ”You can hardly blame Johnson for not taking the threat of Scottish independence seriously, anymore than May did. Do your worst! If only….”

      Oh Boris Johnston IS taking it seriously Albulhaq, as did Big T before him, hence the Queen Bessie Hoose in Edinburgh, Gillian McGregor now holding the post of Scotland Office Director and Gove, the most experienced politician in the Johnston Cabinet, being made Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. One of his key responsibilities is overseeing constitutional affairs and maintaining the integrity of the Union.

      And of course the issue of Indyref2 is never off of the news now with the Secretary of State for Scotland, Alister Jack, reiterating again tonight that he won’t allow Scotland to hold a referendum. If ever there was something that would get up the noses of the Scots is someone telling them that, ”they won’t allow them.” I was pleased when they announced that he was basically a grouse shooting, estate owning millionaire. That’ll go down a treat with the Scots too.

      ………………….

      @ Fergus Green says at 5:16 pm … ”Can anyone work out what is happening at All under One Banner? Looks like the in-fighting has come to a head, but the march in Campbelltown will still go ahead (but under a different banner).”

      There was a video on here recently Fergus that covered the AUOB, ”in-fighting”, issue. It involved two committee members being interviewed with them basically saying that they had sacked Mannie Singh. 14 of the 18 committee members voted him out for a catalogue of reasons including assaulting a stall holder. Drugs and links to EXTREMELY ”shady characters” was mentioned too, but I won’t go into that. The bottom line now (as of watching the video) was that the Campbelltown march was going ahead as most bills had been paid already, however Mannie Singh is the only person who has access to their banked donations (£11,000) and won’t hand the money over to cover costs for further marches.

      They ended with a plea to people to trust them and to keep supporting them through this difficult time. I hope they do get this sorted out as we really need these marches, more than anything now. If Mr Singh won’t hand over the money, I’m hoping that we’ll all support them in raising some cash.

    77. Legerwood says:

      Last item on CH4 news tonight suggests the Tories are gearing up for a GE.

      In the past 24-48 hours the Tories have flooded Facebook with hundreds of targeted adds. Apparently this will help them to get a better handle on what issues/approach plays well with voters. They monitor the likes/shares etc to get an idea of what plays well in different areas.

      Straight out of the Cambridge Analytica playbook. And one that requires very, very serious amounts of money which the Boris party clearly already have in abundance.

      So get ready.

    78. Fergus Green says:

      Petra. Thanks for the update ?

    79. Fergus Green says:

      ? is meant to be a thumbs up sign. Comes out wrong on my phone

    80. cynicalHighlander says:

      Cactus there are only 24 hrs in a day not 124 lol

    81. wullie says:

      If England wanted to dissolve the union would they ask Scotland for a section 30

    82. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Maria F @ 19:43,

      To keep it short, Maria, in the conventional “British” view, WM is paramount and can dish out legal favours as it wishes, or withhold them likewise. And that’s the writ of law that has to be enforced in the courts, whatever judges’ personal inclinations might be. And heretofore supported by the vast majority of people in Scotland, which is the essence of the problem.

      However, what you are experiencing is a change of mindset, one which most of us on here share, but which is still developing in many others in Scotland, although increasingly.

      Peter Bell has a good take on the subject of framing and mindset in his latest blog, if you care to follow-up:

      https://peterabell.blog/2019/07/25/people-are-annoying

      (He starts though with some comments on behaviour on our side which we all might well keep in mind.)

    83. mr thms says:

      I watched Mr Johnson speak earlier at Westminster and he let slip,in a response to a question by Ian Blackford, the word ‘campaign’ or ‘campaigning’?

      Will the General Election come before or after Brexit?

    84. Cactus says:

      Evenin’ Martin,

      Maybe one day it will be

      One has eaten

    85. Cactus says:

      Ahm an animal

      Tomorrow Scotland

      Tomorrow

    86. Ottomanboi says:

      The time for talking is behind us.
      https://www.craigmurray.org.uk

    87. Cactus says:

      Stu, ahm in the best wifi bar in the east side of Scotland…

      Somebuddy just walked in with THAT emblem

      The suicide song… happy happy happy

      NB Suicide is BAD, they say it’s painless and it brings on many changes

      Ah’ve never felt it… there be ah personal share fur ye right there

    88. @wullie,

      `if England wanted to dissolve the union would they ask Scotland for a section 30`

      the whole reason for Independence,

      England under the guise of the UK can do anything it wants,

      Scotland is in enslavement,we cannot do anything without our English masters say so,not a thing.

    89. Dr Jim says:

      A section 30 transfer of power order has not yet been requested or demanded so as yet it has NOT been refused, just because some politicians bump their gums before the event means nothing
      It’s unlikely to be refused unless the UK government want to take themselves to court and overturn their own legislation of 27th November 2014 as laid out in the Smith commission and agreed to (paragraph 18)(It is agreed that nothing in this report prevents Scotland from becoming an independent country in the future should the people of Scotland so choose) Ian Campbell Honorary visiting professor, school of law University of Liverpool says in the unlikely event of a refusal of a section 30 order if the Scottish government took this to court I do not envisage them losing such a case

      I’ve been pointing this out for some time and informed the party also, but until now I still have had no reply from anyone, and that’s unusual, and that in itself tells me much

    90. Glamaig says:

      wullie says:
      25 July, 2019 at 8:22 pm

      ‘If England wanted to dissolve the union would they ask Scotland for a section 30’

      Well exactly. Since Scotland formed the UK with England, who exactly is Scotland asking for a Section 30 from? Cant be the UK because we ARE the UK. Must be England then? But why?

    91. Legerwood says:

      cynicalHighlander says:
      25 July, 2019 at 8:14 pm
      Cactus there are only 24 hrs in a day not 124 lol””
      ……..

      Not the way Cactus lives it there isn’t

    92. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      mr thms @ 20:38,

      Euronews tonight speculated that Boris is in effect already campaigning in an election rather than making serious overtures to the EU. There have been other rumblings about Tory preparations. James Kelly (the sensible pro-indy one) is currently pondering that very isssue:

      http://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2019/07/are-we-heading-for-october-election.html

      I have heretofore thought that the safer electoral route for the Tories was to get Brexit out of the way first, but Boris is a chancer and a prompt exit may not be achievable with the current HoC anyway. So thepnr might well still be proven right on that call!

    93. cynicalHighlander says:

      Legerwood

      I know

      for his playlist.

      David Hayman – The Great Dictator

    94. Legerwood says:

      Robert J Sutherland @ 9.14pm

      The Tories have definitely started their election campaign as the CH4 news item I referred to in my post at 8.09 PM
      Reported.

      Here is the link to the item. It certainly merits watching and paying close attention. There is clearly a lot of money available to the Boris party

      https://www.channel4.com/news/could-online-adverts-promoting-boris-johnson-be-a-sign-that-a-general-election-will-be-called

      What they are doing is straight out of the Cambridge Analytica playbook.

      A wake up call if ever there was one.

    95. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Legerwood @ 21:25,

      Apologies. I must surely have subconsciously registered your previous posting and transmuted it unattributed into “rumblings”.

    96. Scotspatriot says:

      Tomorrow I’m putting a substantial bet on, that a GE will be called soon, for Mid October .
      Doris is playing to the English Nationalist……..and he’ll continue this form until Sept 4th, when WM reconvenes…….. !!
      With the help of Sly News, and the right wing Media….this is a given.
      I sincerely hope our independence Political Wing are all over this, right now !!

    97. mr thms says:

      Other factors to consider from his statement at Westminster.

      Mr Johnson also confirmed the status of the 3.2 million citizens of the EU resident in the UK.

      This would mean that in a referendum on independence, EU citizens living in Scotland and on the voters roll for local elections would be eligible to vote.

      He also mentioned GMO crops.

      Not sure why he thinks this is a vote winner?

      I always put products made with modified maize back on the shelf.
      He

    98. mike cassidy says:

      An election in October?

      That’s as good a way of ensuring we leave without a deal as any.

      Unless Boris intends to do an instant Nick Clegg and ask for a Brexit extension.

    99. mike cassidy says:

      Like son, like father.

      “Boris Johnson’s father makes bizarre gaffe in interview with Iranian state TV”

      http://archive.is/1ThHg

    100. Legerwood says:

      Robert J Sutherland @ 9.29 pm

      Definitely more than ‘rumbles’ it seems.

      There is an article by George Kerevan on Bella about Boris and the hedge funds which may be one source of the money behind Boris.

    101. Robert Louis says:

      Wullia and Maria F,

      I too agree the section 30 is nonsense. Sadly, I am of the opinion, that the FM/SNP is using Westminster’s refusal to give a section 30, as an excuse to do nothing right now as regards independence (and I know not everyone agrees with that). Yet, with each passing day, independence for Scotland becomes even more urgent. But, no matter what apparently the FM wants to hold it late next year, regardless of circumstances, or events, or, indeed, Scotland getting dragged out of the EU against its wishes.

      Wullie, in my honest opinion, you make the really pertinent point, that were England wanting to leave the union, they would NEVER feel the slightest need to ask Scotland. And it is this which angers me about the current SNP leadership, they simply refuse to stand up for Scotland’s right to hold a referendum or indeed leave the UK if it wants to. I have lost count of the number of extremely tenuous ‘technical’ reasons they state for not leaving the union, none of which England would give a second thought to, if it wanted to leave.

      England would leave the union at the drop of a hat, if it wanted to, and I see no reason why the Scottish Government keeps creating new hurdles it must overcome to do the same.

    102. Robert Louis says:

      As regards an election, I’d say, it is a near certainty. The clown prime minister knows the parliamentary arithmetic, and he knows, that all the bluster in the world, won’t change that. He needs a majority. I think an election is an almost certainty.

      In such circumstances, the question I would ask, is, what will the SNP slogan be? ‘stronger for Scotland’ or some such nonsense, or will they state independence first and foremost in order to keep Scotland in the EU? I strongly suspect we will all be very dissappointed.

    103. Petra says:

      @ Dr Jim says at 9:04 pm …. A section 30 transfer of power order has not yet been requested or demanded so as yet it has NOT been refused, just because some politicians bump their gums before the event means nothing. It’s unlikely to be refused unless the UK government want to take themselves to court and overturn their own legislation of 27th November 2014 as laid out in the Smith commission and agreed to (paragraph 18). (It is agreed that nothing in this report prevents Scotland from becoming an independent country in the future should the people of Scotland so choose) Ian Campbell Honorary visiting professor, school of law University of Liverpool says in the unlikely event of a refusal of a section 30 order if the Scottish government took this to court I do not envisage them losing such a case. I’ve been pointing this out for some time and informed the party also, but until now I still have had no reply from anyone, and that’s unusual, and that in itself tells me much.”

      ……

      Let’s not forget too that Tomkins, a constitutional legal expert, was one of ten (two Tories) representatives appointed to the Smith Commission: A signatory to the contents of that document, Dr Jim. Prior constitutional adviser to the House of Lords Constitution Committee and constitutional adviser to the Scotland Office / Secretary of State for Scotland (EX) David Mundell. Between one thing and another he knows exactly how the land lies.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29479442

      Notice that he brought up the Referendum Bill, last month, and makes no mention of a Section 30 order even although a number of people make reference to it.

      https://twitter.com/ProfTomkins/status/1143819759496105984

      You know we read so much about this Section 30 issue and I would imagine that it’s a key issue for Nicola Sturgeon too, lol, to the point that she’s no doubt had numerous conversations with MANY experts on such a subject and is taking their advice. We’d need to be crazy to think otherwise. She’ll know exactly what to do when the time is right.

    104. mike cassidy says:

      Re Scotland asking for a Section30

      Its the UK government at Westminster who would be asked

      Not England.

      Likewise England would have to ask the UK government.

      Not Scotland

      I’d pay good money to see that particular farce.

      Which would presumably take place during EVEL time!

    105. Robert Louis says:

      Scot finlayson at 903pm,

      The question I would ask, is who is stopping the Scotgov? They themselves? They really need to have the strength of their convictions, and stop dreaming up these ‘what if?’ scenarios, where ‘London won’t let them’ do something. They should just do it, on many levels, since their are only so many fires Westminster could try to fight at once. They should be constantly pushing and challenging these supposed ‘boundaries, over and over and over again.

    106. Capella says:

      Just finished watching the video. What a tonic.

      After the depressing spectacle of a Boris Johnston cabinet and PMQs and the appointment of a callous sounding SoSfS, Alistair Jack, it is great to hear Stu and Alex talking about Scottish politics.

      A weekly show would be great.

    107. Effijy says:

      I posted a link to the First Ministers petition but it seems to have
      Been taken down??
      It was there for a short time.

      We are all frustrated but I think giving Bojo enough rope
      And pulling a no deal Brexit will be enough to see us win Indy ref 2.

      We don’t in-fight like all the rest and we support SNP, Nicola and the Rev
      No matter what for 1 year maximum

    108. Liz g says:

      Dose a general election campaign no suspend parliament?
      Which is apparently what he wants!!
      Either way Johnson’s best chance may be to take a chance on winning a General Election.
      It could get the DUP of his back and allow him to just put the border in the Irish sea,which they’ve probably wanted to do all along.
      Neutralise Farage who said he won’t stand against a party that he’s convinced is taking Brexit seriously,which Johnson is bending over backwards to do.
      Corbin is facilitating it all by sayin Labour will campaign for remain and really really wants a General Election..
      So all things considered an election looks likely.
      Even looking it let’s him of the hook and as leader he can concentrate on winning the next one with the UK safely back in the EU…

    109. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Robert Louis at 10.07

      Ypu have joined the growing list of respondents to WOS that I no longer read

    110. Liz g says:

      Me @ 10.19
      Losing it….. Obviously DUH!!

    111. Effijy says:

      Link to Yes Scotland petition from our First Minister.

      Please sign and send everyone that you know.

      https://www.yes.scot/?mc_cid=f7ddd7c372&mc_eid=2ca6f3edb9

    112. mike cassidy says:

      Here’s somebody who thinks Baldrick Johnson has a cunning plan.

      It makes as much sense as anything else.

      “Soft Brexit is more likely than ever, thanks to Boris Johnson’s new hard Brexit cabinet”

      http://archive.is/yxAuv

    113. Elmac says:

      Dave McEwam Hill @ 10.07 and many others.

      Good god, what is wrong with you guys. By all means debate and beg to differ if you can’t agree. Excepting the trolls we all want to see an independent Scotland and everybody’s viewpoint is worthy of consideration.Tantrums do not help and merely give encouragement to the enemy.

    114. Maria F says:

      mike cassidy says:
      25 July, 2019 at 10:17 pm

      “Its the UK government at Westminster who would be asked”

      And I ask: Why?

      Why should the UK gov be asked about Scotland’s exclusive constitutional matters and Scotland’s right to dissolve unilaterally an international treaty that has been breached and whose circumstances have changed in the last 300 years?

      The “Uk gov” is not an independent entity that “owns” Scotland. The legitimacy of the UK gov to rule over Scotland lies entirely in Scotland giving that entity consent and legitimacy to do so.

      A referendum on independence will be directly questioning that legitimacy, and therefore it is totally absurd that an entity whose legitimacy to rule over Scotland is being questioned is the one that decides if Scotland can question the legitimacy of this entity and act upon its decision. This is a massive conflict of interests and does not make sense at all.

      Scotland should be part of that UK gov and this means that Scotland has to ask permission from itself, which is also completely absurd.

      “Not England”
      Well, I challenge that. Take a look at the highest political figures of the so called “UK”: PM, Leader of HM opposition and every senior member of the cabinet with portfolio. Every MInistery is being held by an England MP. Not a single senior minister holds a seat from Scotland, Wales or NI. How can you even consider “UK” gov an entity that is formed exclusively by England representatives? It may be the UK gov in theory, but surely as hell that is not a UK gov, that is England’s government.

      “Likewise England would have to ask the UK government”
      England is the UK gov.

      “Not Scotland”
      So why is Scotland expected to ask England’s gov?

    115. Undeadshaun says:

      All this optimism from the UK government is it fueled by a Coke head pm?

    116. mike cassidy says:

      Maria F

      I’m not disagreeing with you.

      Just pointing out that if the SNP go down the section 30 route it will be the UK government who will be asked – not England or a non-existent English government.

      And that would be the case whether the members of the UK government were all English, all Welsh, all Northern Irish or even all Scottish.

    117. Petra says:

      The narcissistic Liar King might be mad but he’s not daft. He knows that a GE is looming and is of course preparing for it.

      If this comes to pass should Nicola Sturgeon use a GE to cover Indyref2 or not? All opinions / views welcome, lol.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49114147

      ………………..

      Jeezo Robert Louis your posts are becoming increasingly depressing. I remember a time when they were quite, in fact extremely, uplifting. Yes we are / have been going through a he**ish time but we’ll get there. We are getting there. Support for Independence is rising. You have to believe we’ll win this, if not you’ll go stir crazy. C’mon Robert (and other) let’s buck up. Let’s not forget what our ancestors had to put up with. In comparison this is nought. We CAN do this.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_Scottish_Independence

      ……………………………..

      Mac’s link for a laugh.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0f1xEnLM08

      ……………………………..

      Nana’s links for an education.

      https://indyref2.space/category/nanas-links/

    118. geeo says:

      Petra and Dr Jim @10.14

      Smashing it out the park yet again. Great posts.

      Cannot wait for the spin on the next indypoll..!

    119. manandboy says:

      BEWARE DOMINIC CUMMINGS – Unorthodox, surprising, unconventional and very, very sharp. And, as of yesterday, backed by virtually unlimited Tory funds, is responsible for Prime Minister Johnson’s campaign & election strategy.

      As sure as 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5, then PM Johnson + the very tight political corner he is in + Dominic Cummings + a huge current Facebook campaign + Ian Murray mailshots 22,000 constituents = a snap General Election, to get PM Johnson out of a bind, and to catch his political opponents off guard. Notably, Labour, Brexit party, & the SNP.
      In 2017, the SNP were found to be asleep at the wheel, losing 21 MPs, when Theresa May announced a snap General Election.

      It would be interesting to know how many SNP MP’s and MSPs are or are going on holiday, and are blissfully unaware of the info from CH4. https://www.channel4.com/news/could-online-adverts-promoting-boris-johnson-be-a-sign-that-a-general-election-will-be-called

      This is no time to be going on holiday, unless you know for sure that PM Johnson and Dominic Cummings are taking theirs at the same time.

    120. manandboy says:

      B.Johnson PM may be off his trolley, but Dominic Cummings isn’t.

    121. Cactus says:

      Last orders soon Scotland…

      Ye good?

      ARE YOU HAVING FUN?

      Never let them take that away frae you

      Ahm courtesy of wifi, c’est bon

    122. Col.Blimp IV says:

      Hae the Sassenachs ran oot ‘o watter yit?

      Dinnae gie them oany till they let us gan’ free!

      Sorry … it must be the heat stroke.

      That or I had a whiff of whatever Cactus has been sniffing.

      Scoltand’s future has got nothing to do with any Englishman or Woman, living or dead. … It is the Vichy Scots and the Fearties who are holding us back.

    123. call me dave says:

      @manandboy says:

      25 July, 2019 at 11:15 pm
      BEWARE DOMINIC CUMMINGS – Unorthodox, surprising, unconventional and very, very sharp. And, as of yesterday, backed by virtually unlimited Tory funds, is responsible for Prime Minister Johnson’s campaign & election strategy.
      ……………………………………………………..

      Yes indeed you could have added ruthless!

      A man described by David Cameron as a ‘political sociopath’

      Ran the leave campaign A dangerous man.

    124. Cactus says:

      Recap…

      Brexit shall NEVER darken OUR independence day

      “Take that one to heart!”

      Said Axl

    125. Colin Alexander says:

      Effijy

      Re petition, I won’t be signing. It’s a gimmick. It’s the FM’s way.

      “Triple mandate” and a Scottish parliament vote for indyref2. If that’s no enough for the FM, she should resign.

    126. Petra says:

      @ manandboy says at 11:18 pm …. ”B.Johnson PM may be off his trolley, but Dominic Cummings isn’t.”

      Agree. He’s one seriously dangerous individual, manandboy. THE one to watch, imo, that is if we know where he is. What he’s getting up to.

      http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/07/boris-johnson-s-decision-hire-dominic-cummings-more-controversial-it-s

    127. Cactus says:

      Good evening Col.Blimp IV

      How ye doin’ fine Winger, ahm intrigued

      Tell me sumthing aboot yerself…

    128. manandboy says:

      https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2019/07/?m=0

      “All kinds of scenarios are now possible, many of which end in an early general election.”

      Please read.

    129. Reluctant Nationalist says:

      “We have nothing to do with the SNP.”

      Hahahaha! Oh Christ, that was a good one.

    130. Colin Alexander says:

      If GE, one issue only in the SNP manifesto: a vote for the SNP is a vote that ALL the affairs of Scotland are decided at Holyrood by the people of Scotland.

      We are taking back control from Westminster.

      A.K.A Dissolving the Union, aka independence.

      I’ll vote for that.

    131. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Nicola has said
      and she has said
      and she has said
      and she has said
      and she has said
      we will take the next step towards independence when we know what is happening re Brexit
      Entirely sensible
      Which part of that do eejits not understand?

      Lots of pretendy supporters pulling the plonkers of the more gullible in our support.

    132. Col.Blimp IV says:

      Sláinte Cactus,

      I’ve taken no part in “the struggle” for a number of years for one reason or another. Though a lifelong nationalist, not too enamored with the SNP’s “Boss Class”, who seem to me to be cut from a similar cloth to the Blairites.

      Never given serious consideration to voting for anyone else though.

    133. Sarah says:

      @ Terry Callaghan re IDOX: I read either on Wings or perhaps Craig Murray that IDOX should be worrying us all – Peter Lilley, ex-Tory Minister, is a director.

      I was shocked to learn that election counts etc are not organised solely by the local authority. It is appalling that yet another vital public service has been farmed-out to a private company, let alone one with political party links.

      I remember that article I got this from said that it was a breach of electoral law to have a politician involved in the way Peter Lilley is.

      Perhaps somebody else will have the link to the original article.

    134. cirsium says:

      Legerwood – thanks for the heads-up re a General Election. I was thinking that he would need to call one to consolidate his hold on the office of PM. If he goes for Brexit on 31 October, he would attract the voters away from the Brexit Party which could end up giving the Conservatives a workable majority of English MPs.

    135. Dr Jim says:

      @Petra

      Nobody in the party is talking about strategy or plan but they are all saying it’s going to happen and there’s nobody who’s not confident about it, so whatever it is they have in mind nobody is going to pry it out of them

      Frustrating, but if it were me my lip would be buttoned up as well because if they let anything slip the news would be blurting it out every hour on the hour and filling up telly time bringing the opposition and their “experts” on to rubbish every aspect of the plan every hour on the hour bashing the confidence from everyone

      When Mhairi Black says it’s on I have no reason to doubt that lass, I believe her to be a straight shooter

      If the SNP don’t do it for whatever reason they know their vote share will plummet and they’re not daft enough to vote themselves out of office what would be the point of that

      I’ll take a leaf out of Boris Johnson’s book and say we have a ton of doomsayers and gloomsayers who seem to be more than happy if it didn’t happen because their pleasure is more to do with shouting I told you so than getting Independence

      It’s bad enough having to put up with the Unionist zoomers without the armchair anarchists supposedly on our side

    136. Cactus says:

      Lost mah beer…

      Just found mah beer

      Life has been good to me SO far

    137. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Sarah (11.51) –

      ‘IDOX’ were in charge of overseeing the indyref postal ballot. In Ayshire at any rate.

      I was a ‘WOS’ observer at the count, as was Jim of this parish, and he will, I’m sure, confirm that the IDOX insignia was clearly visible on the drapes/banners in the counting room.

    138. Col.Blimp IV says:

      Cactus

      Lucky your sane after all you’ve been through…

    139. Cactus says:

      Hey Liz g, ahm still on courtesy WIFI

      Alexa is another story…

      Did ye see their queenie had her own Alexa device by her fireplace

      Queenie says, “Alexa, PLAY some Queen”

      Boris the Johnson sucking cunt… whoopsy!

      It’s a new life, it’s a new day

    140. Cactus says:

      Cheers Col, you know

    141. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Ach, FFS, just realised my last comment has been put in moderation because I was describing curtain-type materials with the word ‘dr**es’.

      Sorry Rev.

      🙁

    142. Al-Stuart says:

      .
      Stu.,

      PLEASE CAN YOU AND ALEX DO MORE OF THESE VIDEOS?

      MAYBE A 1/2 HOUR SHOW…

      “SALMOND & STU DISCUSS INDY FOR YOU”

      A michty powerful way to go. Said it yersel… the most viewed Alex Salmond show in it’s history.

      P.S I am an old school dinosaur and in spite of the BRILLIANT spectrum of downloadable formats on WoS I wanted to buy one of my NO voting friends a WEE BLUE BOOK as she is ripe to go YES.

      So went on EBay to see if a physical copy was available.

      Stu., it is SHOCKING to see what you have done to the Wee Blue Book…

      https://tinyurl.com/WeeBlueBookUnexpected

      .
      .

    143. manandboy says:

      Layla Moran is the Liberal Democrat MP for Oxford West & Abingdon. In the article below, she reminds us that the LibDems, particularly now with Jo Swinson as Party Leader, (constituency is East Dumbartonshire, but lives in Wiltshire) is no friend of Scotland or Scottish Independence.

      https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/07/boris-johnson-s-decision-hire-dominic-cummings-more-controversial-it-s

      “Plaid and the SNP are pro Europe too, but are rubbing their hands as all they ultimately care about is independence and breaking apart our precious union, a prospect now more likely than ever before. Given this is their raison d’etre, what will they put first? ”

      As usual, the LibDems have not been paying attention, otherwise they’d know that for the past three years, the Scottish government has been striving to remain in the EU, with little real attention being given to Scotland’s Independence.

      MPs, and MSPs, really ought to be required to sit an IQ test, or else meet the standard required for entrance to University.

    144. Thepnr says:

      Lets assume that there is a General Election before the EU deadline of 31st Oct then what might that mean for Independence?

      First off I think it likely that the SNP will increase their number of MP’s at Westminster and there is a good chance that both Labour and the Tories end up with just 1 or 2 seats each.

      That’s not really important though, there are really onnly two scenarios we aught to be concerned with and that’s who ends up being the largest party.

      It seems very unlikely that any one party would win enough seats to win an outright majority so in order to form a government there must be an agreement between 1 or more parties os as they have a majority in parliament.

      Scenario 1 see the Tories being the largest party and forming a government with the Brexit party and if necessary the Lib Dems.

      A fantastic result for the cause of Independence I would argue. Another 5 years of Boris backed up by Farage! I honestly cannot envisage a situation more likely to encourage Scotland to vote for Independence.

      Scenario 2 Labour miraculously are the largest party after an election but still require the support of other parties in order to form a government. For the Independence cause that means the world is their onion.

      Eh Cactus isn’t that right 🙂

    145. Pete says:

      I hope you don’t stop its the best website. Indi all the way and from a just north of the tweed supporter!

    146. Cactus says:

      Aweright Col.Blimp IV, ahm back HOME now wae mah guest ghostie, be ye well?

      What’s the 1st thing that you will do when Scotland returns to being independent?

      We have SO much to do

    147. Cactus says:

      Howde thepnr, how do bro

      Ahm no right, definitely, that’s ah given

      Who is?

    148. Thepnr says:

      @Cactus

      You are right! well most of the time. Watch this it’s for you.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptFegqTOYYc

      Just give us a shout.

    149. Cactus says:

      Steve H knows dude, cheers for that yin

      What will indyref2 look like?

      Ahm havin’ ah good time

      Are you?

    150. Flower of Scotland says:

      @Robert Peffers.

      Glad to see you commenting again. Hope someone can read this to you if your sight is bad.

      Great stuff from Alex and Stu. Warms the cockles of your heart to hear some REAL Scottish politics for a change instead of all the British/English rubbish.

    151. Cactus says:

      Ahm still east coast, Scotland…

      Walking back HOME soon

      More Doors like…

      NB naebuddy “fuckin'” dis fine marning?

      It’s ah new life, it’s ah new day

      Ahm in room 101

    152. Cactus says:

      Hey Scotland

      Whenever yer ready…

      Aye am

      Are you?

    153. Cactus says:

      One is in the company of South Africa

      We are SO similar

      We are

    154. Cactus says:

      Aye LOVE meeting new company

      New people are cool

      Scotland is…

    155. Cactus says:

      Whit a fucking release tae just get away frae the city

      Ye don’t know until ye go…

      When did ye last like?

    156. ben madigan says:

      @ Thepnr who said:
      26 July, 2019 at 12:32 am
      “Lets assume that . . .”
      With all due respect Thepnr and believe me I have a lot of respect for your posts and views and have no wish to quarrel or start a diatribe but . . .
      We’re beyond that type of analysis now, beyond calculations of “he might ” “they might” she might”
      It’s now Scotland’s time to act if she wants Independence
      Let’s hope she rises to the occasion and makes our land a free land

    157. Cactus says:

      Dudes… we’re going to the top of the rollercoaster…

      Ye don’t get aff ah THIS ride any earlier

      Like the auld Pepsi MAX ride in Blackpool

      Scream if you wanna go faster!

    158. Thepnr says:

      @ben madigan

      Yes it is time to act, there really cannot be a better time. I’m happy though just to give Boris a wee bit more rope for now. I’m pretty sure he will use it and then we win.

    159. manandboy says:

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/25/brussels-throws-out-boris-johnsons-plans-to-alter-brexit-deal

      The fantasist, Johnson, meets the realist, Junker.

      But only Johnson is ‘active’, and has a strategy in place , while the EU is passive, with no strategy. Therefore, Johnson will win. And as with EuRef16, only then, will the electorate wake up to the reality of leaving the EU without a deal.

      And everyone will say, for the second time, ‘how did that happen’?

      That’s the way it looks.

    160. Cactus says:

      Ahm gonnae head back tae the harbour afore ah head HOME

      There be things that need tae be seen and felt

      Thereafter and then to be socially shared…

    161. Cactus says:

      Life is good, we will soon know better…

      Today is Friday

      Still no storms

      The presumed weather is a lie

    162. Cactus says:

      The beach is beckoning

      There may be water

      There will be a tide

      Hey Scotland in the morning

    163. North chiel says:

      Another interesting post from Maria F @ 0743 pm . Quite simply & very briefly , I find it to be completely illogical for the United Kingdom government ( formed by the union treaty of 1707 by the Kingdoms of Scotland and England) to via “ the Scotland act “ ( mentioned) devolve certain powers to Scotland ( an equal partner “ supposedly ) , without simoultaneously devolving the same powers to England ( via an equivalent “ England act”. The very fact that there is no devolved English Parliament tells you all you need to know about the REAL IDENTITY of the Westminster U.K. parliament ( and government). Ie The “ de facto parliament and government of England. This completely illogical “ bourach” in my opinion is the root cause of the constitutional conundrum whereby as you say quoting Tomkins article of 2012 ( “ what is reserved is the union between the two kingdoms of Scotland and England”). If that is so then obviously only a vote by the U.K. parliament could end the 1707 treaty. However, that would ensure that only English parliamentarians could terminate the treaty due to 10:1 majority ratio . Notwithstanding the claim of right and also “ sovereignty of the people of Scotland being vested in the elected MP’s from Scotland “ surely thus a majority of Scottish Westminster MP’s voting to end the treaty is sufficient to secure our Independence , is it not ? Otherwise Tomkins assertion as regards the union between the 2 Kingdom partnership being reserved would deny the sovereign right of the people of Scotland to withdraw from the union .
      Strikes me for example that this would be similar to the EU parliament saying that the U.K. could not leave the European Union without a majority vote in the EU parliament? Despite the Westminster parliament say , having a majority vote in favour of leaving .
      Finally, I was quite taken with this excerpt from Bojos speech today in the HOC : “ No country that values its independence and indeed self respect, could agree to a treaty which signed away our economic independence and SELF GOVERNMENT “
      Perhaps Boris should have been around in 1707 then and prevented the Kingdom of England ( and Kingdom of Scotland) agreeing to a “ United Kingdom Parliament”??. Prevention better than cure ??

    164. Cactus says:

      Tis toddy time…

      Nae challengers

      Cool

    165. Cactus says:

      Aye ahm, are you…

      Why would ye anyways…

      Ahm ah son of Scotland

      Ahm yer sibling

    166. Cactus says:

      ps mah maw is alive and well

      Just thought ah’d say

      She’s beautiful

    167. Cactus says:

      One is HOME

      Jim knows… he’s in the sky right now

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laAT18_YbDo

      Oh what ah night Scotland

    168. Cactus says:

      Mornin’ Breeks

      Whaddya think?

      Sleepies for me, cheers dude

    169. Mary miles says:

      Hi Robert (P)

      Have you a date to have your cataracts removed? I don’t know how quickly the NHS in Scotland does these operations. From people I know who have had it done it is quick (10 minuets or so) and they have been so pleased with the outcome. There is usually a 2 week gap between having the first eye done and the second.

      Hope you are back to reading soon!

      Regards,

    170. DerekM says:

      Yea that was a great interview Rev,good to see the finished article and not just the edit,though to be fair they did do a good job with the edit.

      Well looks like we have a new colonial governor seems to be a massive surprise all around though i will tell you who is probably the most surprised and that is Jack himself.
      This is man who tries to do as little as he possibly can get away with this is not a man who says first i will do that,is this really the man who lobbied for the top position in the Scottish office,and has anybody told him there will be work involved.

      No i reckon Boris has gone total rogue on the Scots tory branch by putting the guy who stands at the back trying not to be noticed in charge of the running of the unionist branch offices and its tame media circus.

      Wee Ruthie’s BBC house of cards is tumbling down.

      Yea have a wee celebration Scotland operation destroy the blue tories is proceeding as planned.
      Of course it stands with out reason he is a tory therefore he will be a liar and all the other derogatory names used to describe a tory.
      And he has got to be better at hiding than wee Ruthie i mean apparently he works for the Scottish people and damn that was news to me as i like everybody else in Scotland went “who”.

      Be interesting to see who start kissing ass first as all the little tory minions line up with their adoration for the new tory Scottish chief.

    171. Ken500 says:

      All around the world. That’s right. Sticking up for what’s right. The inequality and injustice of the British State. The state of it. The corruption of any justice system by the British unionist imbeciles at Westminster. In a state of collapse. Now run by thieves and Con freaks in charge. Appalling.

      Independence will come out of it. With the contribution of these fellows. Right will succeed over might. Scotland will be free of the Westminster unionist sycophants fools, at last. Thanks to people like Alex and the Rev Stu. The greatest contribution to rights and justice Scotland has ever had. Going round the world for all to see. The greatest contribution for humanity. Thanks a billion for the good guys. Going down in history. They will be mentioned when the path is plotted. Always remembered forever. Forever the good people.

      The Westminster U chaos is just disgusting. Absolutely despicable. They will be gone before long. Absolutely wicked.

      Vote SNP/SNP. Vote for Independence. Save the world from the crooks at Westminster. Break the circle and the cycle. Vote for a better world. A better place.

    172. Ken500 says:

      Johnston has no majority in the Commons for a no deal Brexit. A majority of 2?

      30 Tories will not support (a no deal) Brexit. There is no way it will get through. The Gov will collapse.

      There needs to be 2/3 majority vote for a GE. The illegal fixed parliament action. The ConDems. In it for the monies. Still tax evading troughers, Brown, Clegg and Cameron. Their appalling legacy left behind. What a total mess. The Tories will have to call an election, they can lose, to get out of it.

      Tory against Tory. but getting support from other U parties to ruin the (world) economy. A complete and utter shambles. A hands tied hung Parliament. No way out of it but a GE. The unionist do not want to have to lose any majority. A total mess of collusion and corruption. No opposition.

      £8Billion for the EU contribution. £Billions come back in jobs, trade and shared Defence etc. A total benefit. From a UK budget of £770Billion (including borrowing).

      The way the economy improved after Thatcher was greater ties with the EU. That is why she had to go. The violence and chaos of the Thatcher years. The high unemployment, financial fraud abd tax evasion. Thatcher policy supported tax havens. The reason for Brexit. The illegal wars caused chaos, suffering, in the world and migration into Europe. The EU has to pick up the tab costing £Billions.

      The UK does not even pay full EU contribution but gets a rebate. It costs Scotland. nothing and brings benefit without Westminster imbecile interference. The EU benefits Scotland more than the UK union taking £Billions out of Scotland. Chronic Westminster mismanagement of all the major industry. Fishing, farming, renewables the oil sector all mismanaged by U Westminster.

      Brexit will ruin the economy. Just as well the Tories will be gone into oblivion. Labour/LibDem are no better. They caused the circumstances around Brexit. Deceitful and dishonest. They will not pay £20 a week to help support essential services. Important for all but are killing off the elderly. Life expectancy going down in the rest of the UK. It will could decrease because of obesity, sugar and alcohol consumption. Westminster U does nothing about but carry on about Brexit. Charlatans.

    173. Willie says:

      Excellent stuff Alex Salmond.

      But isn’t it remarkable the difference in the SNP under Sturgeon as opposed to Salmond.

    174. Robert Louis says:

      Anybody know what is going on with All Under One Banner?

      Report in The National today is very worrying.

    175. Ken500 says:

      Aye they had to muck it up. Some folk can’t help themselves. It needs a united front. The U authorities have been trying to shut it down for ages. Infighting about nothing could give them what they want.

    176. Sarah says:

      @Effijy re the http://www.yes.scot: it is difficult to sign up. One of the people I sent it to has been trying but it just has that circle going round and I tried to look at it yesterday and now and it won’t open at all!

      The figure is 258,562. Has that changed since you last looked?

      I agree that the party are looking for a spike as some indicator. [Tho’ I wish they wouldn’t wait…]

    177. Effijy says:

      Yes the First Ministers petition is growing in numbers I believe through the
      Link here on Wings over Scotland.

      I’ll be contacting SNP HQ today as I agree the web page is overloaded
      And I can’t see any to forward the period with Whatapp, which is my main
      Contact for friends. This must be supported.

      Colin, I never thought you would sign having endured your posts for some years now.

      Great interview Rev and it richly deserves to be shown on the BBC.
      Fat chance!

    178. Would be a great weekly slot (15min) on RT if you had Alex and Stu doing a `Bunk the Mainstream`,

      just going over the worst lies and propoganda of that weeks press and BBC political news,

      would love a morning paper review from Alex and Tasmina.

    179. auld highlander says:

      Sarah, it’s still going up and easy to sign.
      https://www.yes.scot/

    180. Effijy says:

      Car crash interview on BBC boakfast show this morning.
      A Boris bluster clown tried to bully his way through fake figures
      By talking incessantly and at great speed.

      Boris claims he will put 20,000 new police officers on the Street over a 3 year period.
      That would still mean that there has been a cut in police numbers
      Since the Tories came to power.
      They cut and partially replace numbers and they see it as a massive step forward?

      A leading police official presented a report showing that 8,000 officers per annum
      Are likely to leave the force or retire.
      That’s 24,000 over the next 3 years and Boris is going to replace them with 20,000
      and the Tories tell you it’s an increase?

      Mr Bluster Clown boasts of this being a 1.5 Billion investment.
      When asked where the figure was calculated and where the money
      Would come from he claims governments just have to get a move on
      And spend the money then look at where it might come from???

      With Boris it might well come from a cut to police budgets.

      Farce is too inadequate a word for Westminster these days.

    181. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Willie at 7.44
      Indeed. Highest poll ratings ever under Nicola Sturgeon. Highest number of members under Nicola Sturgeon. Highest international esteem under Nicola Sturgeon. Anything else?

    182. Legerwood says:

      Sarah @ 8.19 am and Effijy @ 8.50 am

      Signed the petition a few moments ago without any problem

      People signing thick and fast, 258,600

    183. Ottomanboi says:

      It is cliché to say Johnson & team are hard right. However J & Co have a clear vision of what they want England and its dependencies to be. Effectively there is no room for dependencies and their particularist shtick, they must toe the straight Anglocentric line and be manifestly glad to do so.
      This Neo Unionism has been in formation for years like some minor planet gathering the rocky debris of the past. It now has a recognisable landscape; swashbuckling, Merry England resurgent.
      Being in England’s orbit has never been a joyride. This circuit may prove particularly nauseating.
      Any fast-acting independence pills in the handbag Nicola?

    184. Al-Stuart says:

      .
      If we had a regular “Salmond & Stu., on Scotland” television programme, they could be discussing matters that are missed off of the BBC.

      For example, interviewing Brigadier Davidson about operation “Erse Yersel Back” with Field Marshall Boris Benny Hill masterminding the deployment of McExocet Alister Jack as new Secretary of State for Feckless Soundbites.

      As corporal Jones is want to remark : “They don’t like it up em”. Whilst private Fraser might rejoin with “GIRFUY we’re all doomed” or is the new Borisism word: “doomsters.

      Also, the defenestration of Mundell has the typical fingerprints of how malignant Johnson conducts himself in high office. In this instance with delicious irony. But NO SCOTTISH TELEVISION BROADCASTER HAS ASKED GENERAL COMMANDANT DAVIDSON ANY PROBING QUESTIONS.

      A television program with two of Scotland’s top tv talents would be a braw addition to the new Indy media scene.

      I WOULD GLADLY TUNE INTO A “SALMOND AND STU., SHOW”.

      Top subject’s abound. The infliction upon auld Caesar! of a sociopathic prime minister from America.

      Sociopath and/or psychopath? Name that loon. Boris, you are the master of that dish which is best served cold. A man with Godfather as his favourite movie and his fat fingers on the nuclear launch codes is not a good look. How is BBC Scotland not investigating Boris’ fitness to control the Faslane Armageddon Factory?

    185. Colin Alexander says:

      Effijy

      If people think it’s a good idea to sign the petition, they should sign it.

      I have my own point of view on it. If a democratic triple mandate and Scot Parl vote is not enough for the Scot Govt branch office of UK Govt and UK Govt headquarters itself, I can’t see a petition making any difference.

      My view is it undermines the Scottish democratic process that the FM sees it even necessary to also have a petition.

      At least I’m not pretending to others that a petition will help.

    186. manandboy says:

      It’s as if all the major rivers have chosen to take another path to the sea and have burst their banks and overflowed to do so, causing flooding and disruption everywhere. This is politics today. In England.

    187. stu mac says:

      I see the National reporting that a campaign launched by Rangers Football Club to help promote diversity and inclusion has been welcomed by Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf.

      I posted this comment on the online page:

      This is a joke. A club who does nothing about the regular sectarian chants that resound from what sounds like a majority of their own fans every week. (I’m not a Celtic supporter or a Catholic by the way, and it makes my point that I feel I have to add that). The Justice secretary is being willfully ignorant in giving this unconditional support – the condition should be that they do something about their own fans. I’m sure if the Rangers’ fans belted out songs of hate against Muslims or Jews every week, telling them to go back to their “own country”, he’d have something to say about that!

      BTW if you think this is a move against such fans, just wait till the new season starts.

    188. Sarah says:

      @auld highlander and Effijy: thanks for the good news re http://www.yes.scot – my circle is still circling – probably due to the unusual heat here!

    189. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Sarah (11.51) –

      You express concerns about Peter Lilley/IDOX etc.

      My comment is still in moderation – what I was saying was that IDOX were in charge of organising the postal ballot count for indyref1, in Ayrshire anyway. I was an ‘official’ WOS observer, along with Jim T, and I’m sure he’ll confirm that the IDOX insignia was plain to see in the counting room, on banners and suchlike.

      We did discuss this a long time ago but I can’t remember if we ever determined whether or not IDOX was also involved in the ‘proper’ Sep 18/19 count.

    190. Dorothy Devine says:

      Effijy , signed with no bother.

      I wonder if Colin is going to tell us all again that he won’t be signing – if your thinking about it Colin , dinna bother we heard you the first time.

      Now I’ll be quiet because I think Cactus is sleeping.

    191. manandboy says:

      Worth repeating, everywhere and endlessly :

      “ No country that values its independence and indeed self respect, could agree to a treaty which signed away our economic independence and SELF GOVERNMENT “ (Prime Minister Johnson.)

      Except that 312 years of abusive colonial propaganda by Westminster has succeeded in its purpose, to produce a nation which seemingly by majority, does not value its Independence, nor its self-respect.

      That is, if you believe the result of the 2014 Independence Referendum is authentic and was not rigged by an unlawful campaign of lies, false assurances, fear-mongering, threats of deportation to EU nationals, postal vote interference, holiday home owning English no voters, civil service and military personnel relocation to Scotland, etc, etc, etc. Don’t get me started.

      In the Independence Referendum campaign 2012-2014, England waged a dirty tricks propaganda war against Democracy in Scotland, and against Scotland’s right to self-determination.

      And won. In true English Imperial style.

      Sixty British Colonies have recovered their independence. Its about time it was sixty one. After all, it’s not like its unusual or abnormal or out of the ordinary. Not when it’s been done 60 times!

      Independence is Normal.

      “ No country that values its independence and indeed self respect, could agree to a treaty which signed away our economic independence and SELF GOVERNMENT “ (Boris Johnson)

    192. hackalumpoff says:

      See Nana’s links here
      https://indyref2.space/category/nanas-links/

    193. Cactus says:

      Mornin’ Dorothy, thankies for the quietness, now rousing

      Yesterday was fun

      Commiserations to England on not reaching a record temperature

      There’s always next year or week…

      Let’s leave it up to climate change

    194. sassenach says:

      I hope that the above statement by the English PM viz :-

      ” No country that values its independence and indeed self respect, could agree to a treaty which signed away our economic independence and SELF GOVERNMENT “ (Boris Johnson)

      will be plastered all over any Indy literature, it’s a gift for us, let’s use it to the full.

    195. Cactus says:

      Incidentally, mah Maserati does one eighty-five… 🙂

      Let the fun continue… forevermore!

      Afterall, Boris the Johnson is their PM, priceless

      The weekend is coming

    196. Les Wilson says:

      I willjust leave this here

      “Johnson’s ancestral Turkish village abuzz with excitement”

      KALFAT, Turkey (AP) — A village in central Turkey where Boris Johnson traces his Turkish ancestry to is abuzz with excitement and pride over the news that a man they see as one of their own has become the new prime minister of Britain.

    197. Effijy says:

      Colin Alexander-

      In my life time, we have one more chance for Independence.
      We must be certain that our timing is right and the people are
      Behind it.

      I’d make every check and balance possible to check the public perspective.
      In this case, if a paltry 300,000 people cannot be bothered to sign a petition
      And send it on to friends then I wouldn’t consider the time to be right?

      These signatures that are coming in now are generated through the Wings Over
      Scotland contributors as the SNP membership had already signed up.

      No where else in UK Media land does this petition exist.

      If I need to be involved in generation 10 mandates then that is what I will do.

      If you are happy that Scotland is not a country but a source of revenue for England,
      If you want to see Scotland run by a fascist Tory Toff and his filthy rich associates then
      Do nothing and it all falls into place.

      We are in the dirtiest and deciding battle in a war against a very wealthy and powerful enemy.
      They will take no prisoners.
      Your future and the future of your children and country demand your greatest ever efforts.

      This choice is yours or our country is theirs to keep!

    198. Clapper57 says:

      Dominic Cummings , Matthew Elliot, Chloe Westley….so who’s next..Kate Andrews will she fit in somewhere…and let’s not forget there is still the appointment of UK Ambassador to US to be announced..I wonder who will be appointed to that post hmm….Ruth D now wallowing in shit courtesy of Bojo ……Tories in Scotland can , as per, now only operate in deflection mode because the reality of what is happening in their UKOK blows their argument for us, the Scots, remaining in their UKOK out of the water.

      If people living in Scotland do not want Independence from UKOK now then one wonders what the hell it will take to persuade them….cause this is the perfect storm that should lead to us leaving….this arsehole in charge is complicit in major shit with Vote Leave…like Trump he is but a figurehead to distract the gullible from the shit going on behind the scenes….like Trump it is those behind the scenes who are the real power and their decisions are going to f**k up everything….does one cry or laugh ….or do both at every new development in this neverending blatant corrupt shit show …let’s not wait for England to fully wake up from this…let’s stop now trying to save England…Now really is the time to save Scotland while the stars are aligned in our favour…..PLEASE !

    199. kapelmeister says:

      The new colonial governor Alister Jack, his name can be shortened to Al Jack. Al Jack is an anagram of Jackal, that most opportunistic and scavenging of canids.

      I know anagrams are not considered to be clever debating. Couldn’t resist saying it though.

    200. Petra says:

      From Nana’s links:-

      Letter from Nicola Sturgeon to the Liar King.

      http://www.gov.scot/news/letter-to-the-prime-minister-2/

    201. galamcennalath says:

      OT …. “Visit Scotland … People voted Glasgow Commonwealth games as the biggest draw for tourists “

      https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1439524-glasgow-2014-voted-greatest-moment-for-tourism-in-50-years/

      Not being a ‘sporty person’ my memories of the Glasgow Commonwealth Games revolve around the political manipulation where the BritNats did everything they could to play down the fact that it was Scotland hosting. They tried so hard to push UK, ‘British’, GB, and England even. They didn’t want Scotland to be seen as the country, the nation, and the capable host. They couldn’t allow us to shine through. They even forced the Red Arrows to do red, white, and blue … for NZ maybe? No members from these Isles have RWB flags.

      Team Scotland did really well. I feel good for the competitors and about that. But I don’t feel so good about the blatant politicisation.

    202. Effijy says:

      I hear on radio shortbread that Scottish Tories are not happy to Jack Al appointed Westminster’s representative in Scotland.

      It seems he has bought his position by inviting senior Tories to his estates for shooting and fishing
      With no expense spared.

      I can hear his empathy to those working in lie paid jobs with families and having to use food banks
      “ Why don’t you go out on your estate and shoot a Stag and bag a fee Pheasants for your Tea”?

      Let the peasants eat pheasants !

      So sorry for Scottish Tories as it must be awful to be ignored by Westminster as though your opinions don’t matter and find dark money Is working against you!

      GIRFUY.

    203. Dr Jim says:

      @Petra 11:37am

      In other words it’s happening and it’s constitutionally correct and I’ll be demanding by return of post

      And you will comply

      At least I think that’s what she meant, I’ll just take it as that anyway

    204. kapelmeister says:

      galamcennalath@11:48

      Not forgetting the display of Scottishness organised by the then Labour run Glasgow City Council. Nessie, Jimmy wigs and the ultra unionist Sir Tunnock’s teacakes.

    205. Petra says:

      From Nana’s links:-

      Dr Paul Monaghan sorts Mhairi Hunter out.

      https://twitter.com/_PaulMonaghan/status/1154141307348164610

      ………………….

      DirtymoneySwinson ousts DirtymoneyDavidson.

      https://thoughtcontrolscotland.com/2019/07/25/scottish-tories-fall-to-fifth-and-no-jo-swinson-surge/

      …………………..

      Marion Fellows correcting the Liar King.

      https://twitter.com/marionfellows/status/1154373574607691776

    206. DerekM says:

      Scot Finlayson

      They would need more than 15 minutes to do that,where do you start with the tsunami of sewage the tories pump out every day.
      Its an entire industry of fear,disinformation,half truths and downright blatant lies stuck together with some rule Britannia flag waving and pointing at johnny foreigner for all our woes which is produced daily and rammed down joe public`s throats if they like it or not,you can not escape it even when you are aware and trying,it is insidious.

      Would need to give them their own daily channel to cover it all i think 😉

    207. Dr Jim says:

      @galamcennalath 11:48am

      Alex Salmond did a fantastic job of putting Scotland into the spotlight with the games and he politicised the hell out of it but I guess he had to because as you say the BBMedia did their absolute best to hide Scotland from the world and downgrade everything about the games, but in the end Alex and the games won because the world got a chance to have a look at Scotland the modern country and not just the pile of rocks lochs and whisky soaked kilts the BBMedia portray us as

      If we’d had shortbread tin dancing the BBMedia would have done a half hour mocking programme on it, but they never got the chance

      The fact our sports people did well was a bonus

    208. Petra says:

      If you can’t be bothered lying just say that you have no idea!

      MP @DeidreBrock: “What did the prime minister meet Cambridge Analytica about in December 2016 when he was Foreign Secretary?”

      Boris Johnson: “Mr. Speaker, I have no idea”

      https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1154364007178014723

      ……………………….

      Liar from the taxpayers alliance set to join Boris’s criminal gang.

      https://twitter.com/MikeStuchbery_/status/1154438088200007682

      ………………………

      And there’s loads more. Check them out.

      https://indyref2.space/category/nanas-links/

    209. ScotsRenewables says:

      Campbelltown march going ahead tomorrow – watch this short IndyCar special from Gordon Ross

      https://www.facebook.com/indycargordonross/videos/1337142439767260

    210. galamcennalath says:

      Petra says:

      Letter from Nicola Sturgeon to the Liar King.

      http://www.gov.scot/news/letter-to-the-prime-minister-2/

      A very well crafted letter. That should spoil the last UK PM’s day 🙂

    211. Socrates MacSporran says:

      Now we know, come what may, with or without a deal, we are leaving on 31 October, perhaps Nicola should recall the Holyrood Parliament to debate implementing the mandate and calling the referendum, with or without a Section 30 order.

      If nothing else, it would scare the Toerags shitless.

    212. mike cassidy says:

      I wonder if my fellow Fifer would still think there’s evidence of sweetcorn.

      https://twitter.com/gweccles/status/1154406963821850624

    213. Dr Jim says:

      There are still some folk shouting this UDI nonsense and they don’t seem to understand that doing that is tantamount to admitting you’re owned by another country and Scotland is not owned by anybody but the people in it

      Some other want all sorts of other convoluted methods of achieving Independence just because they want it, but then they forget that a substantial amount of people wouldn’t accept a result for yes that didn’t appear to be democratic because they don’t care about that they just want to win

      The problem with do anything to win politics is the resultant fallout afterwards, Scotland’s on the verge of a Northern Ireland situation as it is thanks to Ruth Davidson ‘s campaign style and approach, we really don’t need that and it would give the UK just the opportunity to do what they love *Impose*

      Independence has got to be and be seen to be democratic legal and fair for the sake of us all and our overseas connections or we’ll have achieved nothing but chaos giving the enemies of our freedom everything

    214. call me dave says:

      Scorching if Fife!
      Just back from the beach, budgie smugglers everywhere.

      Catching up:

      I see the FM wrote a long letter on a short piece of paper to PM.

      🙂

      Nana’s sausages too… lots to read.

      Check in later.

    215. gus1940 says:

      After today’s OFCOM fine of RT for breach of impartiality surely the door is wide open to go after the BBC in particular PQ and the Question Time farce when it is broadcast from Scotland.

    216. mike cassidy says:

      That sweetcorn post must seem strange as the link doesn’t work.

      It was a reference to author Ian Banks

      who said that there might be a few decent tories

      but they’re like sweetcorn in a turd

      maintaining their integrity but still in the shit

    217. kapelmeister says:

      Dr Jim@12:35

      Excellent post. Agree completely.

    218. kapelmeister says:

      Looking at stills of Theresa May and her cabinet the pen rests in front of each cabinet member were dark brown. In the picture of Boris Johnson and his cabinet the pen rests are clearly orange. Arlene and the DUP will be well pleased.

    219. bittie45 says:

      gus1940@12:48

      EXACTLY!

      Class Action by Scotland. Any solicitors willing to instigate?

    220. Legerwood says:

      Dr Jim @ 12.35 PM

      Totally agree.

    221. Petra says:

      @ Socrates MacSporran says at 12:21 pm … ”Now we know, come what may, with or without a deal, we are leaving on 31 October.”..

      Do you think so Socrates? You know the old saying … there’s many a slip between the cup and the lip. Who knows what will happen next?

    222. Jack Murphy says:

      Ottomanboi said at 8:51 pm last night:

      ” The time for talking is behind us.
      https://www.craigmurray.org.uk

      Thankyou for that link. I’ll begin the article:

      —-Johnson’s Westminster Cabinet is Far to the Right of Thatcher——

      ” I can only imagine that the media people who are saying this is the most right wing cabinet since the 1980’s were not sentient in the 80’s.

      Thatcher never had a Home Secretary remotely as illiberal as Pritti Patel, never had a Foreign Secretary remotely as xenophobic as Dominic Raab, never even had a Chancellor as anti-State intervention as Sajid Javid (though came closer there) and never had a Defence Secretary as bellicose as Ben Wallace.

      Even Thatcher’s final and most right wing Cabinet contained figures like Ken Clarke, Chris Patten, John Major, Virginia Bottomley, Douglas Hurd and William Waldegrave.
      All Tories with whom I have fundamental disagreements, but every single one of them is far, far to the left of virtually all of Johnson’s appalling cronies……”

      This is an important observation from a former UK Ambassador and deserves to be READ BY ONE AND ALL IN SCOTLAND.

    223. galamcennalath says:

      I do have faith that the inner circle of the SNP know what they are doing. I completely understand the need to keep their cards well covered.

      I’d love to know when IndyRef2 will actually be. And I’d like to know what the plan is should WM keep saying “now is not the time” for a S30. However, both these things must remain top secret.

      But jeez, it’s frustrating for us foot soldiers!

      If I have criticism of the SNP/SG, it revolves around not managing nor responding to that widespread frustration and folks’ high expectations. They’ve been saying the right things in the last week or so right enough – ‘last PM’, ‘Scotland needs to decide’, etc..

      It’s happening, but I just think some attention to the foot soldiers might ease tempers.

    224. Dr Jim says:

      The BBCs pockets are bottomless and they can keep you in and out of court long after you’re dead, that’s why the *power* of broadcasting was always refused to Scotland so the UK could always have its own personal propaganda outlet

      Independent Scottish government legislation will sort the BBC soon enough
      Watch the BBC rush to make more promises to change after we win for fear of what’s going to happen to them and the more than £330 million quid they remove from Scotland at the moment to subsidise Gary Lineker and the English premier leagues wages

      I personally think *plums* is the word most will use

    225. Colin Alexander says:

      Effijy

      I’ve signed the pledge of support for Scottish independence found here:

      https://www.yes.scot

      I did so to encourage support for independence and to encourage people like you to keep trying to persuade others to see the many benefits of independence, not least:

      the people of Scotland being able to decide what’s best for Scotland’s people.

    226. kapelmeister says:

      Jack Al is saying a no deal brexit would not be seriously damaging. This idiot makes Mundell look like an Einstein.

    227. call me dave says:

      Some ‘Scottish’ cabinet appointments to be announced at 2PM.

      Not Ross Thompson says the BBC man (for no apparent reason). 🙂

      Christine Hair mooted as being in the frame.

      Boris to make a new title for himself: Minister for the Union?

      Jings. Annabelle Goldie coming back too!

    228. galamcennalath says:

      Guardian … “Boris Johnson’s government has played down the idea of fresh Brexit talks with the EU unless Brussels first agrees to reopen the entire withdrawal agreement and scrap the Irish backstop “

      Now that is a firm ‘no deal’ position.

      Does he really plan to spend the next three months sitting on his hand saying he waiting for the EU? Looks like that might well be the plan. Put all the effort, facilitated by a loyal media, into trying to blame the EU.

    229. Effijy says:

      Thank you Colin,

      Almost 259,000 signatures at this juncture.

      Well Done the WoS Clan for this wonderful surge in numbers!

      Keep them coming and send on to all your contacts.

      I’m trying to send it to Boris and Jack Al.

    230. DerekM says:

      Well Jim i like it,there is no harm in exploring options and debating them and the feasibility of the options together or giving the SNP a wee nudge when their knees a be a knocking at the daunting task before them.

      It did kind of go way off on a tangent when the idea to muddy the waters with different options outside a sec30 referendum was introduced,though some of the options were lets say enlightening in their own way and definitely added to the discussion the Scottish people are having,of course you always get a few that get carried away in the moment.

      If we had the option of having all tories abducted by aliens and them forcing the end of the UK on us i would be up for that or at least discuss and debate the option lol

      Plus shhhh it really drives the yoons crazy howling at the moon when their single brain cell kicks in that we might just do it without asking them if it comes down to it 😉

      The option i like is the UN properly planned it could actually work,its not calling UDI it is merely ending a treaty with a fellow UN partner which we share a UN membership with who have reneged on the treaty and are either deliberately or failing to discuss the situation diplomatically,therefore we call on the immediate right to Article 1 as Scotland the nation and UN member to hold a referendum to see if the Scottish people wish to use their right to Article 1.

      Of course they would be out with the sec30 to stop this from happening cant have all those pesky UN observers snooping about.

    231. Scozzie says:

      Effigy @ 11.07
      No county achieved independence by singing a petition. It’s a pointless exercise. What we need is direct action from our government to advance independence simples.

    232. starlaw says:

      Gordon Ross at Indy Car has just reported that a Scottish Conservative party has just registered with the Scottish companies House, or whatever the Scottish equivalent is. Wonder if the unionist part of the name is still there.

    233. kapelmeister says:

      Annabel Goldie to be an MOD minister. Is that to have a familiar old style Scots Tory to reassure people if BoJo the fuhrer ever puts tanks on Scotland’s streets?

      Colonel Ruth will be jealous of Goldie getting to play with all that military hardware.

    234. katherine hamilton says:

      To the tune of “Guantanamera”
      All together now

      I’m singing a petition
      I’m really singing a petition
      Singing a petiiiiiiiition
      I’m really singing a petition.

      Did you join in Scozzie? (2.12pm)

    235. Liz g says:

      Effigy
      Signed and shared….
      And remember the view that no other Country got independence by signing a petition is probably true.
      But the fact we’re doing it differently is what is confusing the British Nationalists and State.
      They can’t use the play book that was developed to deal with other independence seeking countries precisely because we are not playing by their rules.
      If the FM wants us to let her know by petition…
      Then a petition she shall have..
      Thanks for promoting it here x

    236. call me dave says:

      @katherine hamilton

      Now now then… Onyhoo! I singed along to it a few days ago!

      I don’t live in a county…Kingdom of Fife for me 🙂

      Baroness Annabelle Goldie…defence! Heavens who next?

    237. Effijy says:

      The petition doesn’t give you independence but the First Minister
      Has asked us to confirm our support for it to see if the time is right.

      The closer to 300,000 signatures we get the greater her confidence
      In calling it.

      Nicola requests your support so that she can support you and Scotland.
      Boris doesn’t give a damn about your vote, your opinion, your priorities nor
      Your country.

      He has full control over the nation he hates and treats with contempt.
      Sign up for everything and anything that gives Scotland back control.

    238. Mac says:

      @ Col. Blimp 1130pm 25th

      Col.Blimp IV says:
      25 July, 2019 at 11:30 pm
      Hae the Sassenachs ran oot ‘o watter yit?

      Dinnae gie them oany till they let us gan’ free!

      Are you for real? Where did you learn to speak and spell like this?

    239. Bobp says:

      I can assure you that the sassenachs will be taking scottish water, as and when required.

    240. Republicofscotland says:

      Signed petition.

      Any route that get the bal rolling is worth trying in my opinion.

    241. Scozzie says:

      Effigy @ 2.40pm

      The FM shouldn’t need a petition to give her confidence in calling a referendum. She already has the mandate via the 2016 HR election and the HR parliamentary vote – she just needs to use it.
      Petitions are pointless, she has the mandate time to use it.

    242. Capella says:

      I’m sure I’ve signed petitions and pledges for Independence at least twice already. Don’t the SNP do their own internal polling?

    243. Al-Stuart says:

      .
      Apparently, Brigadier Ruth Davidson DFC, DM, Ph.D., BBC., Dip Pleb., is so mega pi$$ed off with her LOT in political life she has been sounding out the £300 sinecure at the House of Lords retirement home for washed up politicians, has-beens, never-were’s and retreadMPs. At least until BoJo burns through his tenure as PM.

      Lady Davidson of Mooth Wie Foot Innit perhaps?

      She already agreed to the attraction of dumping Holyrood for Westminster…

      https://tinyurl.com/RuthieSaysAyetoHouseofCommons.

      The adages:

      “Leave them wanting more”

      and:

      “Leave at the top of your game”

      Come to mind for Ruthie’s CV., as part of a strategic military retreat.

      The House of Lords is something she has mentioned to Scottish Tory MPs and MSPs.

      Her off the cuff comments may be bait, a ruse, or anger at being scorned. Certain (alleged) man-junk groper Tories are a bit indiscreet, so who knows what Ruthie’s end game is. But usually where there is Tory smoke someone’s pants are on fire!

      Times are definitely changing and the Mooth appears ready for a shift.

      If one were into the twisted way the minds of ruthless career Torys work, one might consider a move to London preparation to launch her own bid to be Prime Minister. She knows she will NEVER be First Minister.

    244. Thepnr says:

      @katherine hamilton

      Excellent retort to the buffoons apprentice 🙂

      Your the useless one Scozzie not the FM, you’re a total waste of space. Keep up the good work for your lords and masters 🙂

    245. Petra says:

      @ Effijy says at 2:40pm … ”Sign up for everything and anything that gives Scotland back control.”

      Spot on Effijy. Some people would rather just sit on their ar*se and do nought. Feeding some data into their computer is just too bothersome and a waste of time. I sometimes wonder how Robert the Bruce managed to keep going with no phones or computers.

      And by the way Effijy thanks for keeping on top of this. I’ve just got another two visitors to sign it.

    246. Scozzie says:

      Katherine Hamilton @ 2.26pm
      Yeah dyslexic fingers on the keyboard…Maybe we can all sing Kumbaya to get our independence (at this rate it seems the SNP doesn’t have a better plan anyways!!!)….

    247. Effijy says:

      Fellow Wingers, your are the most read political web site and the
      Most incredible!

      You have now taken the First Ministers’ Yes to Independence through
      The 259,000 barrier and I have every faith our friends and contacts
      Will take it through the 260,000 mark quite soon.

      Thank you for your comments and your support.

      Great to be part of a community who cares about people and their country.

    248. Petra says:

      Talk about shifting sands. It looks as though Rooth the Mooth knows that her days in Scotland are numbered. What happened to all of the big talk about her becoming the next First Minister, lol? She and her party are joining Scottish Labour in the stank now and we may find that the battle is between the SNP and the Libdems, both pro-EU, but one wanting to remain in the UK under the control of the Tories, DUP and maybe Farage. Who’ll win?

    249. Dr Jim says:

      @Capella 3:32pm

      The SNP do have ways of finding out what the population thinks, these other petitions and public surveys are useful drivers but the main use of them is to keep folks interest up and the publicity they generate in the same way the Telly uses adverts to sell stuff

    250. Scozzie says:

      Threpnr @ 3.40pm

      Eh??????? What does that even mean?
      It seems that those of us who want our government to decisively strike ahead now, are to be labelled as trolls, unionists, underminers etc etc.

      Has it occurred to those that wait patiently for a magical perfect time – that there is never a magical perfect time? The UK is literally fucked up beyond all recognition at the moment – surely you must see that Threpnr?

      But hey ho let’s sign a petition that will show WM we mean business!!!!

    251. Thepnr says:

      @Scozzie

      This tune is specially for you. Kumbaya for Independence, enjoy 🙂

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbvPGlNn89I

    252. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      I’d wager that El Colonel Blimp IV learned to type “Scotch” at Denison Barracks @Mac says at 3:03 pm

    253. manandboy says:

      INDEPENDENCE IS NORMAL. SO VOTE FOR IT.

      Having read PMJohnson’s ‘speech’ in the House of Commons, it is clear he didn’t write a word of it and that it was written in order to provide an image of the new post Brexit wonderful Britain. In other words, it was laying a foundation of hope for the Johnson premiership in the minds of the TV watching Electorate. They know how to play the game. They know what you have to do to win the battle for hearts and minds.
      Sadly, but entirely predictably, such hope is completely false, for the same reason that the message of Vote Leave also gave false hope. The promises themselves were false. It was and is still, all lies.
      These people are the political equivalent of shady used car dealers, who know how to make a knackered written off rust bucket look like the car of your dreams. It helps of course if you know very little about cars, are a poor judge of character, and have a strong gullible streak. Something tells me an awful lot of voters are like that.

      So I’ll not be paying any attention to the false promises of the new English dawn spouted by PMJohnson. Instead, I’m going to concentrate on the activities of the man credited with the EU Vote Leave victory, Dominic Cummings. Johnson can play the clown as much as he likes, but the Ringmaster, Dominic Cummings, is the one to watch out for. Make no mistake, he himself will stay out of sight most probably, but his decisions, his moves, his strategy will be seen and heard every day by millions, without them knowing.

    254. Clapper57 says:

      You know the tactics of Guy Verhofstadt stating “There is only one true remain party in UK, the Lib Dems”…this could backfire..because some peeps who support SNP might state f**k your second EU ref we will not vote in Scotland if you choose to ignore our party as pro remain..for him to not acknowledge the SNP as being a pro EU party is a tactical mistake and kinda feeds into the anti EU narrative.

      This I am sure is driven by the Lib Dems here who NEED Scotland’s support should there be a second EU ref and yet who

    255. galamcennalath says:

      kapelmeister says:

      Annabel Goldie to be an MOD minister.

      Yikes! An unexpected interest in Gaelic language and culture! 😉

      Inverness, next year.

    256. Dr Jim says:

      @Clapper57 4:12pm

      Guy Verhofstadt’s a member of the Liberal party in Europe so he’s just geeing up his own team, he knows the SNP are pro EU but the SNP aren’t in his gang

      But you certainly might not be wrong about the Lib Dems here moaning about the SNP to him and asking him not to mention them

    257. Clapper57 says:

      oops my post entered without completion so………….

      contd.

      at the same time are actively denying the pro EU position of the SNP…..so do they want us, SNP and Indy voters who are NOT Lib Dems supporters, to help the UKOK to vote remain should a second EU ref happen…go figure this illogical logic…f***ed if I can.

      You know the amount of exposure Jo Swinson is getting is obscene when one considers the amount of MP’s they have…mucho less than SNP….however her honeymoon period will soon be over ..very much thanks to her jumping on the Unionist SNPBAD bandwagon…cause that’s worked out SO VERY WELL for Ruth D has it not…wahahaha

      What comes around goes around etc etc ….those UKOK remainers are in for a shock if they are putting all of their EU eggs into the Lib Dem basket….cause power..career…lack of principles all up for the taking whenever those liars are involved…bought shares in a popcorn company…perk being endless supply … essential food ….cause this never ending Unionist shit show will run and run….Lol

    258. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Aye Tory Whip Obeying FibDem Jo Swineson (no typo) is now the best hope to save their ‘Precious Union”.

      Even BBC snidely pointing out Colonel Yadaftie is yesterday’s hero.

      So since Indy Ref 2014 Scotland has had:

      1. Saviour of the Union, Jim Murphy (British Nationalist Labour Party in Scotland) lost all seats bar one!

      2. Colonel Yadaftie, Ruth ‘flip flop’ Davidson (Neo-Facist BritNat Tory from Scotland Party) serial Election loser!

      3. Tory Whip Obeying, Jo Swineson (no typo) (Yellow Tory British Nationalist FibDem Party)…………

      Who next?

      Brexit One Nation British Union of Fascist Party (North British Branch)?

    259. Clapper57 says:

      It is 4.30pm and I am currently drunk so anything I write on here could be crazy…hopefully I am still compos mentis enough to NOT offend anyone…hey it’s Friday and we are living within a Bojo UKOK government….hopefully that will allow some to …cut me some slack….

      Have a good weekend everyone….we are almost there…hence Mundell’s sacking and Toffee noses’s appointment as new chief YES man for UKOK government……Brexiteer too…why knock me down with a feather .

    260. Ealasaid says:

      The latest video from Indycar Gordon Ross

      Why are the Tories registering a Scottish Tory Party?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4wiDv–m4M

    261. Clapper57 says:

      @ Jockanese Wind Talker @ 4.28pm

      Exactly Jockanese….in fact the only neverendum, other than their war cry of neverendum Indy referendums, that we Scots have to endure is the neverendum saviour/s of the Union which always ends up another Unionist dud consigned to the UknotOK scrapheap….the mistake Jo Swindle has made is that she is lying..quelle surprise.. to make her point(less) assertion that we are better in UKOK AND EU….has no one explained to her that the English have decided that they DO NOT WANT to be part of the EU.

    262. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Jockanese Wind Talker @ 16:28,

      Yup, Swin(e)son is the No-Remainers last hope. And with her fatuous arrogance she will likely end just like Murph. And the sooner the better. Then we can all move on with a clear view.

      When the going gets tough, there’s only one who will still be going, know what I mean…?

    263. geeo says:

      galamcennalath @1.28pm

      There is an aspect that some may not have thought about, re: closely guarded indy plans keeping everyone guessing.

      When the time comes, and plans are announced, there will be a sharp and sudden rush of relief, enthusiasm and utter euphoria from yessers, which will create a tsunami of excitement and passion, that the No campaign will never be able to match.

      It is an aspect i have yet to see discussed, what do you reckon ?

    264. Thepnr says:

      There have been 32 new political parties registered with the Electoral commission in 2019, the last of these was the Londependence party on the 21st June.

      No sign yet of a new Scottish Conservative party registering with the Electoral commission.

      So is Indycar Gordon Ross right then? He might be but I guess we’ll have to wait and see when the register is next updated.

      https://tinyurl.com/y47tpruv

    265. Proud Cybernat says:

      Heard rumour on Twitter that Alex Salmond could be about to launch an Indy Party for Scottish Elections but purely just for the List Votes.

      Anyone else hear anything about this? Anything in it?

    266. Liz g says:

      Thepnr @ 5.00pm
      If it is true and the Tories in Scotland are forming a separate party?
      What an open goal for us…
      They would be basic sayin that it’s not in their interests to have their Westminster crew making their decisions for them.
      🙂

    267. Thepnr says:

      @Proud Cybernat

      I’ve heard nothing but I hope it’s true. A new Scotland for Independence party led by Alex Salmond would clean up on the list vote.

      Tories, Labour and the Lib Dems must be skittering themselves if the rumour has any merit at all. Go for it Alex!

    268. Abulhaq says:

      @Dr Jim 4:12
      Guy Verhofstadt is typical of the EU career ‘type’ who will say anything to suit the moment without actually being committed to any opinion. They’ve all had a go at being sympathetic to Scottish independence, usually to fire a warning shot over Britannia’s bow. There are precious few actual Scotophiles in Brussels. Anglophiles there are a plenty who perversely admire some of the imperious British traits we condemn.
      The EU burocracy is systemically ‘corrupt’ and wasteful and needs reform, we all know that, or we should, but an independent Scotland needs the EU’s ‘clout’.
      If we could manage without it would be brilliant but we can’t.
      Rosy tinted views of the organization we should not have.
      We should not exchange one form of subsidiarity in political unionism for another.

    269. Thepnr says:

      Alex Salmond would be the perfect person to pull off such a stunt as forming a new political parter based around only one policy. That policy of course would be regaining Independence for Scotland, they really wouldn’t need to be offering anything else.

      Isn’t that exactly what Farage has done with the Brexit party?

      Nippy bum time time for the Unionist MSP’s hahaha. Nothing would make me happier than to see the likes of Murdo Fraser, Annie Wells and Adam Tomkins out on their arse and replaced by Yes supporting politicians.

      By the way when we win a referendum next year we will still have to vote in our representatives for Holyrood in 2021, lets elect as many Yes politicians as possible. We can get rid of all the deadwood. Might even get rid of Davidson, Rennie and Leonard if we try. You can do it Alex 🙂

    270. Dr Jim says:

      The Lib Dems latest strategy against the SNP is a pretty pathetic and feeble one of saying “It’s too difficult to get out of the EU so imagine how hard it’ll be to get out of the UK” (except for the over 60 countries who’ve already done it)

      There are a lot of things wrong with that plan of attack and the first one is comparing Theresa May and her pathetic government’s attempt at withdrawing from the EU to the SNPs plan of dissolving the UK partnership which the Lib Dems don’t even know and will have no need to know because they are not a Scottish political party, so basically none of their business anyway unless in the unlikey event they become the UK government thus not a party to any negotiations

      They used to have financial complaints about it but they’ve all been blown away so all they have left now is Mbwaa Mbwaa gonnae stoap that!

      The second thing wrong with the Lib Dem plan for attacking Scotland and Independence is the notion that the degree of difficulty of separation is so high that we just shouldn’t do it is the argument of a child avoiding homework (coz it’s too hard Ma) and we’re back to the Mbwaa Mbwaa etc

      It’s no wonder the Liberal Democrat’s name has become synonymous with Bouncy Castles and now Tooth Floss

      Liberal Democrats = Tories with coffee mornings

    271. Hamish100 says:

      Johnson to give more power to the people by giving a millionaire a job as SOSS. Brexit won’t be seriously damaging he coos. Damaging is fine. His coos on his farm drop a coo pat.
      Now dame unelected Goldie is to be given a MOD job. The good people of Bishopton and parts watch out for an old unelected Tory bulldozing over your gardens wi a tank. Davidson must be fizzin. Her old mentor taking control.

      Democracy Westminster style.

    272. Dr Jim says:

      @Thepnr

      In order to be Scottish politicians they’ll have to be registered in Scotland as a political party and if elected they’ll have to swear allegiance to the people and the parliament of Scotland because HM the Queen even if retained by Scotland will not be constitutional monarch, it would be titular only, so no swearing allegiance to Queenie because the sovereignty of Scotland rests with the people

      How will Murdo cope? I bet he’ll do it though the cringing little basket, they all will, if they get elected, can’t see Annie Wells going back to working in M&S much as I’d like to

    273. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Aye and useless Regional List fuckers like BBC and P&J EssEnnPeeBaaad rent a gob Lewis MacDonald MSP (BritNat Labour in Scotland) and as Lib/Lab Coalition Transport Minister struggled to keep the A9 and A96 in the winter and his wife is one of the ‘Aberdeen Labour’ Councillors propping up the Tories in the Aberdeen Townhouse! @Thepnr says at 5:35 pm

    274. galamcennalath says:

      Jeez, Jacob Rees Mogg has instructed staff to use Imperial Measurements!

      Minister for the 19thC right enough.

      I’m in my sixties and last had much exposure to Imperial in primary school with elderly teachers. Since 11 I have almost reclusively used metric. Career, DIY, spanners, everything, life, metric. I couldn’t think in feet or pounds now. Miles for road travel, yes, but that’s it. I couldn’t tell you my weight in stones or pounds.

      But get this, Mogg is only 50! Where did he use Imperial?

    275. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Thepnr @ 17:35,

      I’m not so sure about that, if it’s true, because it might signal a definitive break in the SNP between the ultra-gradualists and the ultra-activists. (And maybe even something a little personal in it as well?)

      Or is it just a clever way for AS to influence events from the (enforced) sidelines and put more urgency into the business…?

    276. I am still amazed at how most of you on here forget how the e.u. Leaders were lining up in 2014 to run down Scottish independense and assisting the u.k. Government to defeat us they are now using us for their own agenda just as the unionists did aye none are so blind as those who refuse to see

    277. Hamish100 says:

      Abulhacker is up to his divide and rule nonesense again. Still keeps him busy.

    278. kapelmeister says:

      Tales abounding from his constituents on social media that Baggy Eyed Jack of the Scottish Office disnae show much diligence in answering queries. That you have to book an appointment to see him instead of just turning up at an advertised MP surgery in the usual manner.

      There’s one thing even worse than a Tory landowner…..and that’s a social climbing Tory landowner.

    279. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      kapelmeister @ 17:59,

      If there’s anything worse than a Tory laird it’s an absentee Tory laird.

      We’re going from Toom Tabard to No-Show, it seems.

    280. galamcennalath says:

      @me at 5:56

      Rees Mogg and Imperial.

      Of course … people like him don’t actually measure anything, they just take as much of it as they want. The only counting he will have done is counting money.

    281. Thepnr says:

      @Robert J. Sutherland

      There’s probably nothing in the rumour (who knows) but if it gets the Unionist list MSP’s all hot and bothered then what’s not to like.

      The Scotland in Union green ink brigade will be exploding in rage, that’s worth a laugh so spread the rumour far and wide. I know it’s sad but I love the thought of them sweating over their jobs.

      The Yes movement can get rid of at least half of the list MSP’s if it could be organised by someone who is trusted by the Yes support. Alex Salmond is that man if he chooses to do so.

    282. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Blair Paterson @ 17:58,

      Pretty rich that, coming from a dedicated Leaver!!!

    283. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Blair Paterson at 5.58

      Complete and utter rubbish. Please supply us even a tiny piece of evidedence for this ludicrous nonsense.
      No EU leader suggested any block on Scottish membership (except the Portuguese Barroso who had no locus in the matter).
      All EU leaders maintained the EU position that it was inappropriate to make comment on an internal issue of a member state (the UK).
      The notion that the EU would in any way hinder the membership of the country with most of Europe’s oil and gas,most of its fishing, huge energy potential and a strategic command of the North Atlantic is absurd and for half-wits.
      Very few of them on here.

    284. Dr Jim says:

      De decimalisation next, we’ll all have more money with 144 pennies in the £ and Ten Bob notes coming back, oh Guinees will be in common use again not just for the horse racing toffs

      Think of all that change just flopping around in our pockets again…..except? I thought we were doing away with money to move to a cashless society? Oh well we’ll all just have to have leather purses on a string like Jacob’s forebears

      Atternoon Guvnr

    285. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Thepnr @ 18:10,

      If the SNP could be sure of winning most of the constituencies, as last time, it might work. If anything can work in this damned daft two-ballot system. The media would be full-on “SNP SPLIT” though.

      I do however like the idea of putting a Big Scare on the BritNat parties. (Ruthie the Busted Flush even thinking about bailing?) And events on their own are just getting scarier and scarier for them around here by the day.

      Heh, heh.

      Karma, sweet karma.

    286. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Dr Jim @ 18:17,

      Well, that would put the mockers on Scotland keeping the (English) pound, anyway.

      What’s not to like? =grin=

      It just gets better and better.

    287. Republicofscotland says:

      The unionist news programme STV, up to their usual yoon tricks, by attempting to lay blame at the door of the Scottish government for not nationalising and English company’s branch arm based in Springburn Scotland which closed today.

      I’m not even sure that is possible, Richard Leonard and the RMT union wanted it nationalised immediately.

      Leonard the Labour sage, wasn’t so upbeat about the nationalisation of Prestwick airport. Double standards I think.

    288. Dr Jim says:

      @Abulhaq 5:24pm

      You’re a million miles wide of the mark on that one I’m afraid, Scotland has very many powerful allies in Europe and we in the SNP hear from them on a regular basis and receive emails regularly stating their positions on many things
      Post Brexit we will hear and see them very publicly as they turn up in Edinburgh to Bute House to demonstrate that fact

      Post Brexit the doubters and NO voters are in for a big surprise when the EU is politically free to speak to whomever they want about whatever they want, as the UK will no longer be a member state and can have no say in who Scotland can or cannot speak to, unless the UK care to declare they are indeed a dictatorship or that Scotland is not a country and I don’t think they’ll really want to do that

    289. Legerwood says:

      Thepnr says:
      26 July, 2019 at 5:35 pm
      Alex Salmond would be the perfect person to pull off such a stunt…””
      ………….

      People in the main may not show much interest in the minutiae of politics but they do know when something is just not right and they are being ‘played’. The ‘stunt’ – Mr Salmond forming a new party to contest List seats is just the sort of thing that would turn them off.

      It would also split the vote and we all know how well that worked the last time don’t we?

      Mr Salmond seems to be adopting a Ted Heath like posture – on the sidelines in a huff – which does not bode well at any level.

    290. Proud Cybernat says:

      That Alex rumour read here:

      https://twitter.com/fatzdomingo/status/1154312747573751809

      Probably nothing in it but, well, wi’ Eck yae never can tell!!

    291. Dr Jim says:

      There’ll be a nice new shiny house building scheme getting underway in place of the dud St Rollox rail works if I’m not mistaken

      It’s a perfect site for a city housing development, main road, shops, buses, bicycles, commuter town access, in fact all the facilities you need right there for something new modern and affordable

      Growth not groans (a slogan eh)

    292. Ken500 says:

      There are plenty of Scottish supporting Reps in the EU. The standing applause for Alyn Smith. Mr McAllister, Merkel deputy, had a stand up row with Coburn. about Scottish Indy EU membership. The EU leaders know Scotland votes for EU membership. The EU supports Scotland with grants and extra CAP hardship payments (taken illegally by Westminster Treasury)

      Many EU countries have an affinity with Scotland, a more social community. It was recognised by the EU Courts and authorities that Scotland as a member of the UK Union had less democracy and self governance. than the emerging Eastern bloc countries. One of the reasons for the limited achieved Devolution. Blair/Labour, Held back for twenty years by Thatcher/Tories, People in Scotland wanted full fiscal autonomy. People in Scotland have to vote for it. Support rising.

    293. Clapper57 says:

      David Davis obviously deliberately f**ked up Brexit negotiations to reach this current impasse …..however not to worry the Unionists in Scotland are offering blinkers for us to wear to ensure that there is nothing to see here, there or anywhere….just cross your fingers and your toes and join us No’s is their message…wow we dodged a bullet by staying in the UKOK did we not….messages endorsing this can be found on the back of a postage stamp…provide your own magnifying glass to read them.

      Meanwhile I still need to know …has Jo Swinson asked for a statue of Theresa May to be commissioned…and more important will Guy Verhofstadt fellow Liberal get funding from EU to fund it….I would like a statue made of Jo Swinson…Picasso style..to reflect not analytic cubism more synthetic TUBEism….yes I am still intoxicated…don’t worry eventually I will burn out….be tolerant peeps….the demon drink befriends the ranters….when sober God’s influence will once again take over…apologies to the religious on here…no offence intended or meant….really.

      I am surely allowed this self indulgent nonsensical posting ..yes…maybe…after all we are in the middle of the Sh*TTiest of Sh*t fests….it’s enough to make anyone temporarily lose their sound mind to succumb to maniac tendencies…Lol

    294. cynicalHighlander says:

      Dr Jim says:
      26 July, 2019 at 6:17 pm

      De decimalisation next, we’ll all have more money with 144 pennies in the £ and Ten Bob notes coming back, oh Guinees will be in common use again not just for the horse racing toffs

      tut tut 12x 20 = 240d in pound

    295. Ken500 says:

      Alex could be limited on what political participation could be achieved. Ie bail conditions. The false flag accusation. No doubt dropped or an acquittal by January. A put up job by the Westminster imbeciles. There could be another IndyRef called by 2020. Then full participation. Alex back in action. The bet is on. IndyRef by 2020, that can be won. Full EU membership or as close as possible. Indy is the key.

    296. Ken500 says:

      For goodness sake. Decimalisation is so much easier. In line with the rest of the world. The Tories will take the UK back in time. Deja Vu. Thatcher unemployment in Scotland 15%. The only place unemployment under 10% was London S/E. The Oil revenues secretly and illegally taken. The Scottish economy devastated and the budget illegally cut. Appalling Gov lies.

      Total violence and Westminster U mismanagement. The banking fraud. Offshore havens. Now massive tax evasion. Inflation up to 25%. Interest rates 17%. Thatcher even encouraged people on to the sickness benefit payments, To stop them starving on unemployment benefit.

      The loads of money banking. Ponzi scheme. The bankers funded the Tory Party. Total fraud and corruption,. Child abuse covered up. Westminster U politicians. The expenses scandal. Winter of discontent. The dead not getting buried. Rubbish piled in the street. Strikes and three day weeks. Electricity cuts. Candles. Who wants to go back to that. The Tories.

    297. SilverDarling says:

      I quite like the idea of a one policy Indy party. A pressure group to keep Indy at the forefront of Scottish politics.

      It would allow the SNP to get on with the day job and appear reasonable and civilised but use their firepower when needed.

      Meanwhile the Indy party get to shout and drown out the Ruth Davidson party and say all the stuff the SNP are too afraid to say in case it upsets people.

      They get to be a proper party with the status that comes with that. Rather than dividing the vote, the SNP pearl clutchers can tut tut and position themselves as the voice of reason and the Indy party can mop up the people who don’t like the hyper cautious approach of the SNP but have reluctantly voted for them as there was no other option.

      It might even draw people to the SNP if they know that they are not associated with people who just really really want Independence.

    298. Thepnr says:

      @Legerwood

      There are 56 MSP’s elected on the list system, 46 of them are currently Unionist MSP’s just 4 are SNP and 6 Green representatives. The Greens got their 6 elected MSP’s with just 6.6% of the vote.

      How well might a properly run Yes supporting party do? It’s not a tricky question, the Tories got 24 MSP’s including Murdo Fraser, Tomkins and Annie Wells with 22% of the vote, Labour similarly got 21 MSP’s with just 19% of the vote.

      Know what I think? I think we should steal all their list MSP’s and that wouldn’t be hard with the right person in place. Splitting the vote? Hmmm 4 list MSP’s is what the SNP got last time, do you really not believe that could be bettered?

      I have zero anxiety at taking seats from the British Nationalist parties in Scotland by whatever means possible, I don’t believe we should be shy about using any legitimate means possible in order to increase the advantage of the Yes supporting parties. Makes sense to me to hit them where it hurts and that’s their political representation. If we could wipe them out using the voting system to our advantage then why wouldn’t we attempt it eh?

    299. Ian Brotherhood says:

      re ‘One-policy indy party’

      It’s a great idea.

      FWIW, I’d like to see it very ‘boring’ matter-of-fact, kind of stoic, taking the line that ‘we have to just get on with it’. Same patter as the Brexiteers have been using, especialy those who don’t want to be viewed as xenophobic fannies.

      And no marches, demos, flags, people covered from head-to-toe in badges like pearly queens, and definitely no photogenic dugs. Imagine a typical Sunday Post reader – that’s who it could (and should?) appeal to. The pragmatic, thrifty generation (esp the women) who buy the Francis Gay annual, keep the funnies for the grandweans, and submit leters to the editor about how to get the most from your pressure cooker. Those are the voters we need.

    300. mike cassidy says:

      Ian Brotherhood

      I think you might be battling the forces of Mordor if you take on the Francis Gay readership!!!

      https://www.facebook.com/ScottishFellowshipofChristianWriters/posts/i-am-proof-reading-the-friendship-book-of-francis-gay-2018this-book-was-first-wr/1400458873313567/

    301. call me dave says:

      @Ian Brotherhood

      Whoo hoo! Francis Gay annual. Brilliant!

      Nevertheless if the Tories have registered as a Scottish Party there is deviousness involved.

      Something is afoot (sorry for the imperial measurement) because they’re no daft and little Tory ducks are being put in place but for why?

    302. Fergus Green says:

      @Thepnr 7.11

      I have always advocated this and suggested it on this forum in the past, but much of the response was lukewarm.

      If the SNP were pragmatists, they would buy into this idea.

      They could maybe still put up list candidates in selected regions e.g. South of Scotland, and retain their 4 list MSPs.

      This would allow the Indy Party a free run in places like Tayside or Glasgow to pick up a few list seats which the SNP can never win, because they are so strong on the constituency vote.

    303. katherine hamilton says:

      Ach Scozzie
      It was meant as a bit of fun. You chose to make the political point. Aye we’ll be singing. But not to your tune, bro or sis!
      Take care.

    304. stonefree says:

      @Sinky 1:30 pm

      Might not cost a much as you think,Simple franking alone get you a discount of 34% on postage…….I’d hazard a guess at Murray if he paid himself under £1000, plus it would be a reclaimable expense, and not under electoral regs. Of course Labour could have paid it

    305. Thepnr says:

      @Fergus Green

      Others also have been proposing much the same on here since the last Holyrood election, most notably schrodingers cat I would think.

      The idea has always been shot down so far, vote SNP/SNP was the cry. Should that be the case with a totally new party standing only on the list with the sole aim of Independence for Scotland as their manifesto? It’s not a political party as such it is a pressure group that comes straight from the grass roots of the Yes movement.

      Led by the right person and I can think of a right good few candidates who I’d happily elect, you probably know of a few yourself.

      Lets put it this way if it was possible to deny Murdo Fraser or Prof Tomkins a seat by electing a Yes supporting candidate on the list vote I’d take such a result every day of the week. Wipe them out, even talk of of such a possibility will have them sweating. We should big this up.

    306. Sandy says:

      Thepnr @5.35 pm.

      Not Jim Kelly, tho’. We need some hilarity.

    307. Legerwood says:

      Thepnr @ 7.11pm
      “”How well might a properly run Yes supporting party do?””

      Very poorly. Underestimate the Scottish electorate at your peril. They may not know the minutiae of who won what in nineteen canteen but they do know when someone or some party is trying to hijack a General election by pushing a single issue.

      If you want a country to vote for independence you must first give them the confidence to believe they can succeed as an independent country. A difficult thing to accomplish yet by and large the sNP in Government has done that.

      It has governed for the betterment of the people of Scotland and that has been recognised by the people of Scotland and duly acknowledged in election after election.

      People have seen, and appreciated, what a party with the interests of Scotland front and centre can achieve.

      The SG have also realised that the transition to full independence will result in a degree of shock to the economy. Therefore the SG has worked to ensure that the economy of Scotland is as strong as it can be the better to weather the transition to independence.

      Again, as with the confidence issue, a difficult task but by and large the SG has managed it to a greater degree than thought possible with such limited powers.

      Introduce a new, one issue, party into that anyou put all of the progress towards independence in danger. And yes there has been considerable progress made and a considerable amount of preparatory groundwork put in place which only the purblind, or those with a personal agenda, would deny.

    308. Robert Peffers says:

      @Scozzie says: 26 July, 2019 at 2:12 pm:

      ” … No county achieved independence by singing a petition. It’s a pointless exercise. What we need is direct action from our government to advance independence simples.”

      Yeah!
      Right!

      And, of course, you will be the first independence supporter to volunteer to lie down in George Square in front of the Westminster tanks and be a target for the Westminster drones to aim at. Of course you will –
      Aye!
      Richt!

      In any case you are talking pish. Not all former British Empire states gained independence by violent methods. In any case there are no other states, countries or kingdoms in the World that have the same legal status as the Kingdom of Scotland has with the Kingdom of England.

      Legally Scotland is an equally sovereign partner with the Kingdom of England in the United Kingdom. Those Wingers with good memories will remember that ever since I came to comment on Wings I have advocated that we all, including our leaders, should interrupt unionist politicians and their tame propagandists every time they referred to the United Kingdom as a country and thus implanted the truth into unionists and Indy supporters alike the real status of the United Kingdom’s two partners.

      The union is, after all titled, “The United Kingdom”, and not the United Country. This would not only highlight that the true status is two kingdoms in union forming a united kingdom and not four countries in union, three of which are the Kingdom of England. (except now one of the original English Kingdom countries is now a politically partitioned country.

      The legal status of the two United Kingdom partners is unique and could, and should, be tried in the international courts. There is absolutely no doubt that the United Kingdom is legally a bipartite union of kingdoms but has never since day one been run as such. Furthermore the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England have their own, (agreed), legal systems and that of Scotland stipulates that the people, and not either the crown or the parliament, are legally sovereign.

      It cannot be otherwise disproved for it is plainly stated as so in the Treaty of Union that constituted the United Kingdom and without which there is no united kingdom.

      Now my eyes are getting tired so I’m not going to either argue with you or read any more tonight. Just consider the truth that I have stated and stop trying to get6 people killed.

    309. Col.Blimp IV says:

      Thepnr says:
      26 July, 2019 at 5:00 pm

      “No sign yet of a new Scottish Conservative party registering with the Electoral commission.”

      No sign of a “Scottish Labour Party” either, strange considering that Wikipedia tells us that :

      The Scottish Labour Party branded Scottish Labour is the UK Labour Party’s devolved Scotland administrative subdivision.

      Stranger still that the Electoral Commission’s rules for candidates state that a candidate will be listed as Independent (without any accompanying slogan or statement), if they are not standing as a representative of a REGISTERED political party.

      Yet these shills appear on ballot papers as “The Scottish Labour Party” sometimes with slogans like “choose kids not cuts”.

      Has anyone ever taken the EC to task over this?

      Maybe the Rev Stu should bag the name and threaten to sue for breech of copywrite / slap injunctions on them preventing them from distributing unauthorized election material / or from attempting to pass themselves off to the electorate as something they are most definitely not.

      Might be a tad cheaper than an appeal … and a “knock for knock” out of court settlement might seem like a bargain to the impostors.

      Though the aggrieved party could allways adopt a more principled/vindictive stance…

    310. Legerwood says:

      Thepnr @ 8.11 PM

      “”The idea has always been shot down so far, vote SNP/SNP was the cry.””

      Except at the 2016 election when the idea of giving the second vote to the Greens took hold and didn’t that work out well…NOT.

      The SNP lost their overall majority and ended up in thrall to the Greens loonier ideas/policies.

      Now you are proposing what would in effect be a 3 way split. What you are proposing is an attempt, a very transparent attempt, to gerrymander a result. One which would lead to any party associated with however periphelly being punished at the ballot box.

    311. PictAtRandom says:

      I’d like to see a Real Nationalist (Scotland in EFTA) Alliance as the list option in a 2021 Independence Mandate election.
      Maybe some of our frustrations at seeing 36% of SNP voters blatantly ignored by the party’s 120-odd MPs and MSPs could then be put to good use.
      Get all IFW (Indie Fae Westminster) parties and candidates to sign ahead of the vote saying that a vote for them would be an assertion of Scottish sovereignty and statement of independence and then…

    312. CameronB Brodie says:

      OT. I’m pretty sure that Dr Louise Raw would agree with me that the combination of neo-liberal extremism and imperialist xenophobia invested in the full-English Brexit, indicates British politics is moving into dangerous territory.

      One with Tory fanboy D Torrance in mind, and Reluctant Nationalist, of course. We do need to be mindful to be inclusive. 😉

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    313. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Legerwood @ 20:19,

      Perhaps an SGE being fought on the burning issue of “independence now” is the one time that a single-issue pro-indy party/pressure group might be tolerated by the Scottish public. That’s what we had here with the multifarious opposition in the 2017 UKGE, after all. (“No to IR2”)

      I do tend to share your general scepticism, though. Just when SG/SNP steadfastness and sound policies appear to be bearing fruit, not least with the cautious who will deliver the necessary swing.

    314. Thepnr says:

      @Legerwood

      “Except at the 2016 election when the idea of giving the second vote to the Greens took hold and didn’t that work out well”

      Do you really believe that? Well why is it that in the regional vote the Greens got just 6.6% of the vote and gained 6 list seats. The SNP got 41.7% of the vote and won 4 list seats.

      I’m pretty sure most SNP voters stuck with the SNP for the list vote and did NOT transfer them to the Green party. Just another myth it would seem as the evidence does not support your assertion in any way.

    315. Fergus Green says:

      @Thepnr

      Vote SNP/SNP didnae work in 2016, even though it was heavily promoted on this site and on Scot Goes Pop.

      A few strategic changes and some standing-aside by the SNP would have strengthened the pro-Indy majority and, as you say, got rid of some obnoxious Tories.

      Regarding candidates, a few names spring to mind such as Gordon Ross and Lesley Riddoch.

      It would be good to see Alex Salmond first on the list in NE Scotland. He still has a strong personal following, probably enough to counteract the negativity surrounding the court case.

      Remember also that if he was elected and then one of the charges against him actually stuck, he could resign and be replaced by the next candidate on the indy party list.

    316. kapelmeister says:

      Rees-Mogg, what century is he from? He probably forbids his servants to read Lady Chatterley’s Lover.

      BoJo has him in the cabinet to make the rest of the government look hip and cool by comparison.

    317. naina tal says:

      PictAtRandom at 8.29
      I think that would be a sure way of letting the British Nationalists form a government and end of Self determination for (another) generation.

    318. Anybody wanting to hear what the new government is going to be like should listen to Any Questions on BBC R4 just now.
      An extremely bombastic, and nauseating Geoffrey Cox is basically telling anyone who is listening that the Tories are now in charge, 17.4 million people voted to leave the EU and we are leaving, the Union will not split up and to say so is scaremongering and no matter what the question is, he is repeating the same message i.e. once we leave the EU everything will be marvellous and if you don’t think so then you have no right to express your view because this is a democracy.

      If you can’t listen just now, catch the repeat at 1.00 pm tomorrow – audience boo-ing him at every chance.

    319. PictAtRandom says:

      @naina tal 8.29

      Pourquoi? And please stop spreading the idea of such a thing as “British Nationalists”. Brit(ish)Stat(ist)s, if you please.

    320. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Thepnr @ 20:39,

      Yes, but is that not an extremely selective view? What about the previous ones? The SNP did better before with less constituencies and more lists, did it not? (Majority government, even. The supposedly impossible.)

      Trying to game this mad bifurcated system with which we have been foisted is something of a fools’ errand.

      In that (our) James Kelly is still right.

    321. If the Scottish Tories have decided to go their own way then there has to be a benefit for so doing.
      Perhaps the Scottish tories are about to set up as THE voice of the Union and the only party that can stop Indy ref 2. ( again!)

      If it comes down to a GE campaign ‘for’ or ‘agin’ Indy ref 2 then they will only have the one policy – ‘stop Nicola breaking up the precioussss Union’.
      They want to be distinct from Boris, as there is no guarantee that the Tories would win a sudden GE, Farage and the Brexit party could well pip them at the post, even with Boris.

      Boris has definitely clipped Ms Davidson’s wings and she doesn’t like it. If she separates just now then she is still in charge, if they stay as a branch office then I guess Boris could replace her at any time?

    322. Thepnr says:

      @Robert J. Sutherland

      Nobody would be trying to “game” anything by starting a political party that wanted to stand on an Independence single issue ticket. You could do it or I could, nothing stopping us is there?

      The fact is a serious challenge and attempt at this has the potential to wreak havoc in the Unionist ranks if such an idea gained momentum wouldn’t you think?

      I’d be all for it, tell you that much.

    323. Col.Blimp IV says:

      I’m not convinced that post devo, the SNP’s Westminster MP’s have served any useful purpose vis promoting independence.

      No doubt some of them have scored brownie points helping the odd constituent with beefs with the customs or immigration authorities … but their main mission seems to be trying to convince the punters that referendum results do not matter.

      Not an entirely praiseworthy endeavor.

      Westminster elections should serve only one purpose … For the people of Scotland to decide whether they want to be governed by the people they elect … or by the people the English elect.

    324. Ian Brotherhood says:

      A swathe of the Scottish electorate regards all-parties bar SNP/Green as single-issue insofar as they are pro-UK.

      It may even be fair to say that a hefty % of that swathe consists of people who define their politics solely in terms of how much they hate SNP/Nicola/Alex Salmond.

    325. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Thepnr @ 21:05,

      Well, still all speculation, but I guess if AS is really involved, it won’t be for no reason. We’ll just have to wait and see.

      I reckon though your prediction of an early UKGE is on firmer ground, and for that the SNP will surely need no help (or distraction).

    326. kapelmeister says:

      Jeez. It just gets worse. Robin Walker the MP for Worcester, who has no Scottish background, has been made the number 2 at the Scottish Office. Another kick in the teeth for Scotland.

      Walker is the son of Peter Walker, one of the ‘Wets’ in Thatcher’s early cabinets. Robin Walker isnae a chip aff the auld block and seems to be as right wing as BoJo.

    327. Thepnr says:

      Glasgow has to put up with the odious Prof. Adam Tomkins as their representative due to the list system. I’m pretty sure that the good people of Shettleston would be much better served by the the likes of Paul Kavanagh the wee ginger dug than a rat like Tomkins.

      How about Prof John Robertson I’m sure he’d work hard for the people of Scotland, James Kelly can get in there too. There’s room for all those that have Independence as their primary goal including the Rev, Craig Murray, Jeggit, Grousebeater etc ect, too many to mention. Give me a chance to vote for them on the regional list and I’d snatch it from your hands in a second.

    328. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @kapelmeister –

      It’s almost as if they want their shiny new Edinburgh office to come under siege in the near future.

      Can’t imagine why they would ever want to encourage the possibility of such a thing…

      😉

    329. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      kapelmeister @ 21:28,

      Worse or better?

      Isn’t this an eerie echo of Sept.2014, where the euphorically-triumphant winners think they have swept all before them, so no need to give even a millimetre (sorry, 1/64″) to the poor benighted losers.

      And we know how well that worked out for them, don’t we?

      I’ve always said, the Union’s assassins are the very Unionists themselves.

    330. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the tribal hatred some hold towards anything SNP. Such prejudice is rooted in culture, and undermines the potential for rational decision making. Remember, human rationality is grounded in self-preservation. None of the parties supporting the union are truly Scottish, they lack autonomy from their London HQs, and that simple fact highlights their dishonest practice of passing themselves off as representing the best interests of Scotland.

      Processes of prejudice:
      Theory, evidence and intervention

      https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/research-report-56-processes-of-prejudice-theory-evidence-and-intervention.pdf

    331. Robert Peffers says:

      @Scozzie says: 26 July, 2019 at 3:28 pm:

      ” … The FM shouldn’t need a petition to give her confidence in calling a referendum. She already has the mandate via the 2016 HR election and the HR parliamentary vote – she just needs to use it.
      Petitions are pointless, she has the mandate time to use it.”

      Sore eyes or no sore eyes I’m going to answer this pish. In the first place you need to find out what a mandate is and what it does.

      A mandate, in this instance, is the permission of the legally sovereign people of Scotland to carry out an action that only the legally sovereign people can authorise her to do. Her triple mandate is to hold a referendum to find out what the majority of Scots want her to do. It is not permission to do anything but only to hold a referendum.

      The point being that under Scottish law neither the crown, (shared with the Kingdom of England), nor the parliament, (either the UNION parliament or the Scottish parliament are sovereign under Scots law), unless they have a mandate to do so from the legally sovereign people of Scotland.

      To date the Scottish Government/SNP/SG or Nicola Sturgeon have not been given that mandate. That requires over 50% of the sovereign people to demand it. All that they have as yet is a mandate to hold a referendum to establish if a majority of the people want independence.

      Opinion polls are not reliable – for if they were we wouldn’t need elections. Seems you are not comprehending basic English language, Scozzie.

      Nicola has only a triple mandate to hold a referendum to establish if the people want Scotland to be an independent kingdom. It stands like this – we had a referendum on Scottish independence and Westminster has claimed ever since that we don’t get another chance for, “A generation”, (whatever that period happens to be), This is in spite of the fact that not only did they lie to us during indyref1 but things have changed a great deal since indyref1.

      So there you go. This mandate you imagine Nicola, (the SG in fact), has is only to hold indyref2 to find out if a majority of Scots want to be independent – it is not to declare independence.

      Which, by the way, is why the FM has called for a petition. The very worse thing that could happen is for the SG to go for independence – and to lose the vote. Got it now? Nicola has a mandate to hold a referendum – not a mandate to declare independence and she has nothing but opinion polls to indicate if a majority even want independence. Hence the petition to indicate a majority exists.

      Now this time I really have to stop straining my eyes as I’ve now got a cracking headache.

    332. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Ian Brotherhood @ 21:33,

      I’ve always assumed that the “shiny new Edinburgh office” was actually planned to be the future English Embassy.

      (As the French have done in their way as well.)

    333. Masslass says:

      R. Peffers 9.

      Good to see you back again. Missed you. You always make so much sense

    334. galamcennalath says:

      Alarm bells? The full Telegraph article is behind their paywall, but ….

      “Boris Johnson warned that ‘no deal’ Brexit will require return of ‘direct rule’ in Northern Ireland

      The British government will need to introduce legislation to impose direct rule on Northern Ireland in the event of a ‘no deal’ Brexit, incoming Johnson administration ministers are being warned. The highly politically toxic move would pit the Johnson administration squarely …

      Would they dare take the same approach here?

    335. kapelmeister says:

      The Hub in UK Government Hub must be short for Hubris.

      Ian@9:33 and Robert@9:37. Yes they are overreaching themselves big time.

    336. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      galamcennalath @ 22:05,

      No worries, the depleted British Army will be so distracted by all the renewed rioting and bloodletting in NI that they won’t have anyone left to spare for us. =sigh=

    337. kapelmeister says:

      11 MPs for Scottish seats to choose from to be No.2 to Mundell’s successor as SoSfS and Johnson snubs Davidson once more and appoints the very English MP for Worcester.

      The Colonel probably feels like flattening the gates of Downing Street with a tank.

    338. call me dave says:

      Radio 5 Brexit. discussion just started.

      Only NI ; Scotland & London voted to leave says a Tory the ‘rest’ of the country voted to leave.

      Borders are only lines on maps nowadays. Backstop phfft!

      🙂

    339. ahundredthidiot says:

      Those proposing any sort of Indy only Party outside of the SNP could ask the British Regime to pay for it.

      They’d be only too willing.

    340. galamcennalath says:

      kapelmeister says:

      11 MPs for Scottish seats to choose from to be No.2 to Mundell’s successor as SoSfS and Johnson snubs Davidson once more and appoints the very English MP for Worcester.

      Perhaps a none too subtle message? Scots, even Tory ones, aren’t suitable for Johnson’s new English Nationalist outfit. “Know you place, Jocks”.

    341. call me dave says:

      Oops! NI; Scotland and London voted to remain. (sorry)

    342. Dr Jim says:

      Lots of folk are complaining about non Scots being chosen by the new regime to have positions of power concerning Scotland

      Something occurred to me thinking about that, and it’s this, none of the people chosen for these roles are Scottish, they’re all British

      Nobody in the Tory party Labour party or Lib Dems is Scottish , they’re all British

      So no matter who they put in charge is not working FOR Scotland but for the UK to continue to bleed Scotland of everything we have including our Oil Water Electricity Gas Fish Beef and strategic location

      If we in Scotland vote for an English person or a French person or a person from Timbuktu who is on Scotland’s side that’ll be our choice, not the choice of another country for someone who represents them in our country

    343. kapelmeister says:

      galamcennalath@10:25

      Aye, you’re right. Johnson thinks he can intimidate the entire population of Scotland as easily as he bullied his way to being President of the Oxford Union. We’ll mak him know his pkace.

    344. Thepnr says:

      How long before Johnson sets fire to a baby box? Just thinking aloud.

    345. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      call me dave @ 22:24,

      Yes, borders are so passé these days, all sorts of technical miracles available to ease one’s transit, saith the Leavers…

      …so why =ahem= is BoJo so insistent that the EU remove the NI backstop? For the border, y’know, that supposedly is no problem…?

    346. galamcennalath says:

      The Express tells us …. ” Boris and Trump to meet next month as they hail Brexit an ‘unparalleled opportunity’

      The two leaders will meet at the G7 Summit in Biarritz in August. They both spoke to each other by phone this evening and expressed their commitment to deliver an “ambitious free trade agreement” post-Brexit. “

      Here’s the thing, the EU hasn’t managed to get a GOOD trade deal with US. TTIPs seems to have got nowhere. The EU has negotiated many good deals, but there are some significant omissions. You have to ask yourself why?

      To put it another way – who would you trust to negotiate a trade deal which is compliant with high European standards and in our best interests? The EU or the Tories? It’s almost self evident.

      Can anyone doubt with Brexit, the UK will walk away from a portfolio of good trade deals, and will set about grabbing replacement bad ones in a state of desperation?

    347. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Dr. Jim –

      I don’t get the outrage either.

      Aside from anything else, it’s top trolling by Johnson. He doesn’t give a fuck about us and doesn’t care who knows it. He may only have that job for a few months so he’s making the most of it. It’s just the biggest-ever jape dontcha know!

      (Bit beastly for Ruthy, yah, but hey-ho, so it goes, what?!)

    348. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Robert Peffers @ 21:43,

      There’s no guarantee in life or politics, and especially not from those dubious oracles of the modern age, polls, focus groups, etc., so the very worst thing that could possibly happen, surely, is if the SG doesn’t have enough self-belief to sieze the main chance when it’s staring them in the face and won’t “go for independence”…?

      Thankfully I’m confident the SG is made of tougher stuff, and will suitably discount the palpitations of the ultra-gradualists.

    349. jeff says:

      Maybe BoJo doesn’t like girls?

    350. Dr Jim says:

      @Cynical highlander

      Christ, you’re right how could I forget that what a numb scull, I know what I did though, I was thinking about a Gross, another lost term

    351. Giving Goose says:

      kapelmeister

      It’s only a kick in the teeth if you accept the appointment.

      Should you think the move, and person, are no more than a turd on the path that you can ignore and walk past, then it’s a turd.

    352. Footsoldier says:

      Robin Walker, the MP for Worcester, is to be parliamentary under-secretary of state at the Scotland Office. Mr Walker has represented the English seat since 2010 and previously served in the Department for Exiting the European Union.He was educated at St Paul’s School in London and at Balliol College, Oxford.

      Just what we need in Scotland, thanks Boris.

    353. Hamish100 says:

      So of the remaining Tory MPs in Scotland no one is good enough for being dep SOSS. Of course even the shadow SOSS is a labourite despite their lamentable performances.

      Such is Westminster’s democratic deficit.

      Not one will put the nation of Scotland and its people first.

    354. kapelmeister says:

      Giving Goose@11.08

      Don’t get me wrong GG. I reckon the Johnsonites are virtually winning indyref2 for us.

    355. Dr Jim says:

      If all Nicola Sturgeon wanted to be was a comfortable politician making an easy and well paid life for herself she wouldn’t have joined the SNP at 16 years of age when the SNP were nobody

      The FM has been a Nationalist longer than half the population of Scotland at 32 years a member, some people tend to forget that when they chuck around the insults about her not being what they think she should be (like she doesn’t know what she’s doing) she does y’know

    356. Thepnr says:

      Might be a good time to remind you of the abuse that Yes supporting politicians and the grassroots supporters had to put up with back in 2014.

      Take a swatch at this if your stomach can handle it.

      https://twitter.com/BritNatAbuseBot

    357. Footsoldier says:

      Another interesting take on sovereignty from Bella and somewhat more credible than some of the wishful thinking spouted from a Wings poster.

      https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2019/07/26/the-brexit-crisis-and-problem-with-absolute-sovereignty-from-the-loss-of-the-american-colonies-and-ireland-to-brexit/

    358. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Dr Jim at 11.15

      Thanks, Jim. Well said. Lots of clowns doing the unionist work for them by creating division.

    359. Boris has been busy getting all the Prefects sorted out to crush the rebellious Scots and keep those Irish people firmly back under the thumb.
      (t)Ruthless must be squirming by now. Wasn’t (Lord) Duncan one of her trusty men and he’s been moved sideways. She’s losing her network and that will severely restrict her influence – just in case she tries any anti-Boris campaigns.

      Would he really impose Direct Rule in NI? The DUP would love that and they would support him to the gates of hell in return. I think he might just go ahead and do that even without his extra 20,000 policemen.

      Over to you Nicola – we might just need that lifeboat a wee bit sooner than first planned.

    360. Dr Jim says:

      How about the latest Lib Dem stitch up

      There are ten candidates for election in Shetland

      4 of them are Independents, four, 4

      Well ye kin believe that if ye like

      I watched this exact thing happen at a hustings I visited in the Borders where three 3 of them were Independents and all 3 were ex Tories one of which was only the year before

      I despise these vote diluting tactics that are a Lib Dem trademark, no policies just fill up the list with stalking horses

      People of Shetland pay close attention to who and what you think you’re voting for because experience and history tells us that Independents are very rarely Independent

    361. Dr Jim says:

      I love Jacob Reese Mogg, I think the guy is great entertainment and extremely knowledgable on English history as well as the most polite gentleman you probably could ever hope to meet, but with sadness in his eyes because it had to be done, he’d gas your children

    362. Ofcom have fined RT £200,000 for not following the Brutish State script on reporting Skripal and Syria,

      Brutish values,

      what a complete and utter corrupt sewer the Brutish State is and has always been.

    363. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      “How long before Johnson sets fire to a baby box? Just thinking” you ask at 10:43 pm @Thepnr

      Why would Boris, ‘King of the World’ Johnston waste his time and effort on a baby box when he’s busy burning down a whole Unitary State?

      He really isn’t the Recruiting Sergeant Major for IndyRef2 we all hoped he would be, he is 100% better than we could have ever dreamed possible!

      Looks like the Neo Fascist Disaster Capitalist Government are up for 31st October the UK is out of the EU, No Deal and WTO Rules all the way.

      Yon Sun Tzu was right about not interrupting your enemy!

      The Binary choice of European Union or UK Union that the BritNat Parties in Scotland fudge an answer over when challenged is about to require a straight down the line Yes or No answer at the Ballot Box.

      😉

    364. Colin Alexander says:

      Nicola is the ultimate gradualist / creeping powers by devolution politician.

      Unfortunately, the SNP have now had that same policy at Holyrood for the last 20 years and the UK Govt have seen that Holyrood devolution has become the SNP powerbase and are now taking action to pull the rug from under the SNP. The EU Withdrawal Bill was a major step to strip devolution powers and they got away with it, completely reversing Smith and the gradualist policy in one fell swoop.

      We can expect further action from UK Govt under Johnson to sideline and undermine the devolutionist SNP at Holyrood.

      The SNP Scot Govt have played the Referendum Bill card. I expect the UK Govt to block it or block Holyrood.

    365. call me dave says:

      O/T
      I decided to allow windows to update to the new version at exactly
      22:35hrs and it has taken to 01:20hrs to complete. 🙁

      Longest one I can remember.

    366. Petra says:

      Thanks for the link Footsoldier (at 11:29pm). So, so tired now but will have my say, lol.

      Great article and of course it makes us all wonder why one of the most powerful and influential countries (Empire) of all time, with the brains of Britain at their disposal (mostly Scottish), couldn’t or wouldn’t construct a written Constitution. Taking into account that most countries Worldwide have a written Constitution I reckon that we can rule out the “couldn’t” excuse in relation to old blighty.

      One reason of course, relating to the fact that they “wouldn’t” do so, boils down to … well it suits them. It suits them to find themselves in a position to control their ability to change the rules as they go along (over centuries now).

      The (only) other reason of course is that daft, wee Scotland, filled with poor drunken dolts, stymied their ability to do so. We held onto our own unique legal system thanks to our (highly intelligent and astute) ancestors who could no doubt see what a bunch of bl**dy charlatans they were dealing with (more so) then .. over 300 years ago.

      That is the crux of this matter now and it’s so very simple and pure. Over the last 300 years no brain box has emerged with the knowledge and ability to pull the two legal factions together to the point of being able to produce a UK wide written Constitution.

      No written Constitution?! That means that we, Scots, don’t have to make any attempt to analyse centuries of English convoluted propaganda, such as considering the Henry 8th legal garbage. It’s all tommyrot in relation to the Scots. Scottish law. Well before our time, in fact, with regard to being part of any Union agreement. And of course the rest since then, their laws, we can kick into the long grass because they didn’t consult with the Scots … Us.

      If, and when, a majority of Scots (50% plus) want to shred the Treaty of the Union that binds us to this Union (into small pieces and flush it down our pans) our links with England will be over and out. Key word “majority.” And no one, but no one will stop us. And hey, don’t they know it now?

      I’ve often come across many ideas on here that related to focusing on the most effective ways to disseminate important information to the Scots in general, such as using billboards and posters. Taking into account that most Scots that I’ve ever met (and maybe you too) have no idea of the power that they wield, the concept of their sovereignty versus English people’s lack of, maybe it’s high time that we kept this simple and pure too. What about just outlining the Scottish versus English sovereignty facts on leaflets and / or on billboards?

      Time to start with the basics, IMO.

    367. Petra says:

      4:42 am now!

      Another post, of very many, hits the dust. Turn up in moderation? Totally scunnered with this. What’s going on with Wings now? I’m just wasting my extremely precious time.on here. I’ve masses more to do on a daily basis.

      I just wonder what AS would have to say about this … site …if he knew? Oh right he has no idea of what’s actually going on, on here. Par for the Unionist, I’ll take your dough. course.

    368. Ken500 says:

      Just vote SNP/SNP. Do not dilute the vote, The SNP got an outright majority and could do it again. If enough people vote. 4 SNP are better than any (6) green. Or change the corrupt voting system. Evans introduced illegally to favour the Unionists, Not allow an outright majority. A total muddle. Mucked it up. Under FPTP the SNP would have an outright majority. All the 3rd rate hanger on losers would be gone. Voters can’t stand them or get rid of them. No one would have to listen to their nonsense.

      Imagine voting in Tories to make this mess. Some voters in Scotland really should think again. What an embarrassment. The Westminster unionist Gov a total laughing stock. A majority of 2 trying to ruin the economy. Just a bunch of total losers, due to Tory voters in Scotland. They should be completely ashamed of themselves. Never trust a Tory, especially in Scotland. Some people never learn. After Thatcher how can people vote Tory in Scotland it makes no sense.

      It’s like watching a nightmare. The car crash happening. Down and down they go, How did it ever come to this. People voting Tory in Scotland.

      Just vote SNP/SNP. Vote for Independence. Get one other to vote. Save Scotland and save the world from the useless, incompetent unionists imbeciles at Westminster. The only positive outcome Scotland will vote for Independence and Ireland will vote to reunite. At least some good will come out if it. Good out of evel.

    369. Ken500 says:

      Mad cow came from Alabama

      Let’s hope a surge more people join the SNP. Join, donate and start campaigning. Get even more support and organised.

    370. Ken500 says:

      Rev Stu is a Scottish Ambassador standing up for Scotland. Beaming around the world. More influence than any MSM. Well done. Thanks a billion,

    371. Ken500 says:

      Twa Scottish heroes,

    372. Golfnut says:

      @ Petra.

      Regards Sovereignty.
      Great comment, your right, most people in Scotland have little understanding of what sovereignty is or the rights it gives them, and in my opinion it is the right protected within the Articles of the Treaty of Union.
      In Campbeltown today, looks bright but the rain has just started, hoping for a good turnout.

    373. Legerwood says:

      Robert J. Sutherland says:
      26 July, 2019 at 8:36 pm
      Legerwood @ 20:19,

      Perhaps an SGE being fought on the burning issue of “independence now” is the one time that a single-issue pro-indy party/pressure group might be tolerated by the Scottish public. That’s what we had here with the multifarious opposition in the 2017 UKGE, after all. (“No to IR2”)””
      …………

      With all due respect I do not think it would be tolerated by the Scottish public.

      In the 2017 UKGE the three Unionist parties were all saying no to a 2nd indyref. That was the time, the Maybot given opportunity, for the people to come out and vote for the pro- Independence SNP and did they, no. They stayed home.

      Yet Ms Sturgeon had announced just a few months before that there would be a 2nd indyref and set out a draft timetable for it. This was then endorsed by the Scottish Parliament.
      Yet with all that people did not come out and vote for the SNP.

      So gambling on them voting for a new, single-issue party is, to say the least, pretty risky.

      There is a second, and no less important, issue with this idea of forming a new party, namely, money.

      Where is the money going to come from to fund it? People use the Brexit party as an example of what a new party can achieve. They should also remember Change UK.

      The Brexit party went from nothing to winning seats in a manner of weeks but that took a huge amount of funding. Where would the funding come from to fund this new, single-issue Scottissh party?

      The SNP is not awash with cash so the new party may end up starving the existing party of much needed funding. The petition that Effijy was promoting also contained a plea for donations to fund a booklet to be sent to every Scottish Household. I wonder how many who signed also donated?

      One way or another division results and a house divided cannot stand.

    374. Al-Stuart says:

      .
      Hi Petra,

      I run websites and it is VERY hard work. Am pretty sure Rev Stu., can and will speak for himself, but comments do get stuck in moderation. With respect, do you expect the guy to be at your beck and call at 3am and 4am just to upload your words out of moderation queue…

      I’ve witnessed many of my contributions get stuck in moderation. Usually keyword triggers. Ray writing the word: A. l. b. a. As a single word…

      Caesar!

      The system Stu., runs is semi-automated. This example of A l b a being automatically replaced by the word “Ceaser” is part of the charm and mischief. I know not why the Rev., dislikes certain words. He will have a dry witted answer no doubt.

      This leads to the more complex issues that Stu., has with sophisticated trolling and toxic link prohibition algorithms.

      Petra, basically you need to be patient.

      If you then make grumpy posts, this is likely to get the Rev going Frankie Boyle on your derrière as he takes no prisoners when poked with a sharp stick for no good reason….

      https://tinyurl.com/FrankieBoyleRepliesToHecklers

      Genuinely good luck to you Petra.

    375. annie says:

      Magic



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