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We don’t not need no education

Posted on September 02, 2015 by

Kezia Dugdale in the Scottish Parliament yesterday:

The daughter of two teachers, there.

The line wasn’t a Freudian slip like Dugdale’s recent one about Scottish Labour not being “afraid to shy away from debate”. This time those WERE the words she meant to say, because she was demanding that every child should have an education that was not merely satisfactory but excellent.

That’s a fine sentiment, but it unavoidably means the word “satisfactory” has just literally been redefined to mean “unsatisfactory”, which probably isn’t going to help children already struggling with their English.

In her cavalier disregard for language Dugdale was echoing former Tory education minister Michael Gove when he said in 2013 that he wanted all schools to be “above average”, something which is of course mathematically and logically impossible.

If we want our kids to be smarter, it’s time for our politicians to stop setting them such bad examples. Kezia Dugdale’s dad should probably put her in detention for a bit.

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eric russell

i can just picture her poor father and mother, shaking their heads and wondering if she was maybe swapped in the hospital.

Alastair Seago

The quality of the leadership of the “Scottish” Labour Party diminishes daily.

Sinky

Just phoned in to hear Labour love in at Call Kaye where Scott Arthur, Keir Bloomer and Ian Gray conducting a sustained attack on the SNP education policies.

Donald Gillies

Ah….another brick in the wall!

Anagach

Was Kez not head girl ?

Donald MacKenzie

I think I’m correct in saying that she, like the FM, doesn’t want a testing system that leads to meaningless rating tables of schools. But what Ms Dugdale is betraying here is an adherence to the gradings as used by the arms-length inspection services; e.g. Care Inspectorate, where we have the gradings of Excellent; Very Good; Good; Satisfactory; Adequate and Unsatisfactory.

So is she’s thinking that way and using that language, which she clearly is, then she is you have top be concerned that she will be unable to avoid thinking in terms of ‘lists’ of better, good, bad.

Colin Duff

I’m reminded of Ivor Cutler (a former schoolteacher himself) and his immortal line “There’s nothing quite like a Scotch education. One is left with an irreparable debt.”

John Walsh

I would send her to the naughty step but GCC is knocking them down and Kez can’t seem to remember the funds being deprived to Scottish education because of Slab failed PFI agreements.

fudgefase

Ah, average. I was at a recent graduation where there were 25 2:1’s, 3 2:2’s and 2 Firsts. Now, ‘scuse my ignorance, but isn’t a 2:1 supposed to be ‘above’ average? It strikes me that that particular university has to rethink their gradings.

Colin Church

NHS doing well so let’s move onto education with Labour before the next winter kicks in.

See the BBC editorial agenda has actually got worse with Labour’s Ian Gray sitting on the call Kaye phone in for an hour with free reign for SNP BAD / not right priorities, what’s the point, blah, blah.

Arrogant buffoon Garry R channelling Naughtie levels of disdain in interview with FM. It is going to be a long and hard run in to May.

Carp, carp, carp. Worry, worry, worry. Chip, chip, chip away.

Project Fear morphs into Project Fret.

mike cassidy

Was Kez not head girl?

More like dropped on her head.

gillie

“An average pupil in prosperous Elgin, I was suddenly near top of the class in my new secondary in Dundee.” – Kezia Dugdale

The way to bridge the attainment gap in your children’s education is to do what the Dugdales did and move to Dundee.

Muscleguy

The statement of course needed a ‘merely’ or a ‘simply’ or maybe an ‘only’ in front of satisfactory.

SLAB, unable to form sentences properly even when they get to write them down in advance.

Melo

A Hothersallesque display of semantic finger-wagging isn’t what I’ve come to expect from Wings.

Boo! Hiss!

Dougie Bee

Is that Gray sitting behind Kezia?..the look on his face when she says it is priceless

You got to remember Kez..engage brain before opening mouth..her da must bae fair prood o her

Brian Powell

In a speech it should have been ‘merely satisfactory’ or ‘simply satisfactory’ to create the emphasis intended.

robertknight

Stopped listening to BBC Radio North Britain’s “Call the SNP ‘Bad’ with Kaye Adams” some time ago.

Perhaps “satisfactory” has now become merely an aspiration for those associated with Labour. The 7,500 who voted for former Deputy Dug can only dream of a satisfactory performance at FMQs. The reality usually falls some way short…

Scot Finlayson

Every time Kez opens her mouth Scotland gets dumber.

link to youtube.com

annie

@ Dougie Bee – No think that’s James Kelly and he always looks like that.

Chitterinlicht

I have a kid just started school.

I am not worried about their education.

I am more worried about they type of society they will enter as an adult in 12 years time and what kind of work will be about.

I think the SNP do have a vision for a better society for the people living in Scotland and that is why they will get my 2 votes next year.

labour have no chance of getting my vote as they are reduced to sniping from the sides and are devoid of ambition or vision and hamstrung by unionist masters.

Liz Wallace

Well done Rev! Does Kez ever open her mouth and not put her foot in it!?!

heraldnomore

Na, Dougie, that’s the one and only James Kelly, so excited he nearly discovered a second note on the scales.

Fred

Watched the Labour gang of four interviewed together last night, very much Corbyn against the three duds.

[…] We don’t not need no education […]

heedtracker

Another red tory bullshitter, shock:-(

One_Scot

‘wanted all schools to be “above average”

Man, that’s a belter. Probably even better that Brian Taylors divide by zero howler.

Scot Finlayson

Sounds like the Tokyo Kaye radio show is broadcasting to the citizens of Scotland the usual anti SNP anti Scotland pro Red Tory Pro Union misinformation and propaganda.

Dr Jim

If we all get 9 out of ten for our sums then we’ll all be average and that’ll definitely be unsatisfactory

So we’ll then have to get 10 out of 10 to be excellent but then that’ll turn out to be average again and that’ll be…..

And then……………

Capella

If Kezia’s translation from mediocre to excellent Head Girl occurred after moving from Elgin to Dundee, I think that demonstrates the terrible record of Labour in education in Dundee. Was Dundee not a Labour stronghold in the 90s?

Would the YES city want to return to that?

Tom Webster

@ fudgefase – No a 2.1 does not amount to being measured as ‘above average’. Each piece of work is assessed on its own merits, measured in terms of coherence, accuracy, independence, persuasiveness, critical engagement and communicative skills and the like and given a grade of between 0 and 100. If one essay does well by these criteria it would get, say, 65 and the grade would not be increased on the grounds that it was in a batch of poor essays or reduced because it was in a batch of excellent essays.

Training Day

In excoriating (rightly) the BBC ‘SNP bad’ mantra we shouldn’t overlook the input of their chums at STV.

Scotland Tonight last night devoted around ten continuous minutes of airtime to an SNP bad-athon, with contributions from Iain Gray, Liam McArthur and the reprehensible Alex Johnstone.

Expect much, much more of the same from them, just as from their bedfellows at Pacific Quay.

Auld Rock

Morning All. Now correct me if I’m wrong but I seem to remember that the worst results, highest number of teacher vacancies, largest class sizes are nearly all in areas where SLAB control or have recently controlled the Council??? Also while deprivation plays a part we must start recogising the effects of DRINK or DRUGS sozzled parents on childrens learning at home.

Auld Rock

Phil Robertson

Your comments simply illustrate that KD knows more about Scottish education than you do. For some time now, the “satisfactory” rating has been seen as “unsatisfactory” by the powers that be. The three above-average grades are good/very good/outstanding.

However the real worry about education standards is the proposal to ditch schemes where we compare with other countries and to introduce an internal system which lacks objectively but has the huge attraction for the government in the opportunity to “massage the data” to ensure a favourable outcome.

indigo

The Scottish Gov can only do so much to address failings in education. Until we have SNP sweeping the board at the Council elections in 2017 we won’t have transformative change. Any failings in education to a large extent can probably be laid more at the door of Labour-run local authorities than the Scottish Governement.

Peter McCulloch

Of course pupils should be leaving school with a level of maths, English and writing skills that helps them secure good well paid employment.

It seems that schools today have been turned into what my late secondary school headmaster was against, exam passing factories.

Clarinda

Gaffe supremo Iain Grey (remember he was a maths teacher) in 2009 when asked about the record of the Scottish Parliament stated that before it was one in five children living in poverty and “now it is one in three – that’s significant progress.”

heedtracker

She was educated in the gentle art of public speaking by one of UKOK’s greatest grammarians, James Tiberius Murphy, fundemundally the saviour of the union, currently backpacking round south America with Dougie Alexander.

Dugdalese English from Torygraph bullshit artists yesterday

“Despite last year’s referendum, that independence cannot be ruled out in the decades ahead; an SNP victory in next year’s Scottish Parliament elections could yet lead to an early second referendum. Independence would be a historic mistake for Scotland, one we trust the Scottish people would not make. Yet no matter how slim the chance of independence, ministers in London must ensure that there are proper plans for basing the UK’s nuclear submarines afterwards. Perhaps HMNB Clyde could remain UK territory much as the “treaty ports” did after Irish independence. But indentifying an English home for the Trident successor would be a prudent contingency too.”

Fabulous liars, cannae spell identifying, shock. These are the great Torygraph editors/twits too. Maybe UKOK unionists aren’t just Nic Robinson BBC grade liars but can also invent language, as they toddle along to teamGB greatnessising.

John

In daughter’s year at Harris Acad. Not just any secondary, but the highest achieving state school in Dundee, with amongst the best exam results in the country. Afraid she’s havering.

nathan

The biggest impediment to an “excellent” education is poverty. No money for the food to cook in Home Economics Class, school trips, or the basketball club. Going home to a cold house where Mum or Dad has been sanctioned, or on zero hours so they may or may not be there. Labour quite happy to support the Tories Welfare Cuts and not a peep out of them about the £500 million to be spent on War. Banish inequality = better education & skills = more productive = pay taxes = banish inequality etc.

Take Independence

It’s official I now know why I’am thick it’s all because of my parents.

Clarinda

Auld Rock – 11.18

Not just the effects that you mention but the deadening affects of indifference, lack of aspiration and poor role models that suffocate ambition in too many of our primary school children from deprived neighbourhoods.

Our daughter, a recently qualified primary school teacher, working in one of the most deprived schools in Scotland, worries along with so many colleagues that it is almost pointless pouring money in at their particular end of the education process when it is the social and family background that is too often the barrier to learning potential. A bit coarse perhaps – but ‘taking horses to water’?

Iain More

What can the wicked SNP do? Since the Brit Nats consider the residents of Scotland too thick to be Independent then what is the point of education at all.

Indeed what is the point of even learning Ingerish?

Robert Peffers

mike cassidy says: 2 September, 2015 at 10:05 am:

“Was Kez not head girl?”

More like head banger I suspect. I had to laugh at Ian Gray this morning. Labour are proposing to double the funding for education. Has the numptie not yet realise Westminster is cutting funding for Scotland?

The new session of Holyrood had not even begun when the State Propaganda machine, (BBC Scotland), was chip! chip! chipping away at the Scottish Government at full blown volume. Mind you it is rather futile to chip away at a solid rock with a small, blunt penknife.

Do not these people, from the PM right down to Scottish Labour and the entire state controlled media, realise that a majority of the sovereign people of Scotland are now deaf to their propaganda?

No sane person resident in Scotland now believes a word they say or write.

heedtracker

Phil Robertson says:
2 September, 2015 at 11:21 am
Your comments simply illustrate that KD knows more about Scottish education than you do

And you Phil just highlighterfied the problem with Dugdalese waffle. She’s the shiny new leader of the red tory party in Scotlandshire, so she is duty bound to express herself and her party’s stuff with clarity and with articulatorising for everyone out here, what lives in their region of Scotlandland.

Is that clear Phil? I too graduated with hons from the James T Murphy College of Public Speakerising, like Kezia.

Iain More

Nothing can be done about education in my area as long as the dunderheided, inept and corrupt British Nationalist Coalition runs the Council.

But hey what is the point according to the Brit Nats we are all thick anyway. Far too thick to be Independent.

What a Better Together Legacy we have inherited. We aren’t fit to stand on our own two feet and we aren’t fit and just too fick even to find gainful employment.

I am off to listen to Another Brick in the Wall.

call me dave

Just back from a lost weekend and a double trip to Oban and still trying to make inroads concerning the last two threads which I will give some attention to anon.

I thought at first “FGS!” include me out but I’ll dip my toe in deeper.

Now Kezia and Kelly in the same photo. and education as the topic, is a bonus and has many seams of potential mirth in it.
Let the lampooning begin!

OH! heard on radio 4 deep into the night, coming soon.

Naughtie ! link to archive.is

Sinky

Dugdale is also an economic illiterate and needs to explain that the limited income tax powers being devolved next May means that her call to increase Tax Rate to 50% for those earning over £150,000 would also mean increasing the basic tax rate from 20% to 25% as Scottish government has no power to varying any single band of tax rate.

Correct me if I am wrong

desimond

Scottish Labours new slogan:

Satisfaction NOT Guaranteed

Farnorthdavie

average in Elgin, near top of class in Dundee

These positions are all relative to those around you!

DerekM

i see the new labour is the same as the old labour,still trying to use the line its your fault you are in government routine.

When will they get that we can see right through their westminster style of reprehensible politics and know full well who is to blame for the sorry state of affairs Scotland was left in and will act on this knowledge in 2016 and 2017 to remove the biggest bunch of crooks this country has ever had.

Dr Jim

There is of course a certain amount of the “Ah canny be bothered” factor to which almost no amount of schooling will ever be enough

That’s due to years and years of Labour apathy and our young people knowing they had to leave Scotland to secure a job because their futures were always at risk from Westminster asset stripping causing depressed jobless parents and a blank home life with little expectation

And that’s a different problem

But one that would be better addressed in an Independent Scotland able to help our youngsters have some pride in their country, some choice,some responsibility, some future, and a big say

Scotland is on the cusp of a great boom which is sod all to do with Westminster and our kids are ripe to benefit from it Independence can’t come quick enough before our assets are ripped out by Westminster all over again

scotsbob

1st September the First Minister is going to unveil the government’s programme

2nd September the BBC have Ian Gray on the Kaye Adams show

Am I being too cynical, maybe sceptical, to think this was a BBC plan to blunt any positive SNP press that would come out today.

Effijy

I called in to confront Ian Gray sitting on the call Kaye UK OK phone in.

Gray and some numb skull agreed that more money should be spent on Education.

If Gray Labour were In power we would get double everything?

The issue I left with their researcher was that the economy crashed under Labour’s Watch, mainly because he Finacial World told the government how they wanted to be monitored.

The recession has a big part to blame on Libores failings. In order to bail out the filthy rich bankers, our filthy rich politicians started the austerity measures.

Labour, being incompetent, let in the Tories who ramped up austerity to new levels, fully backed by Red Tories.

From there the next Tory government proposed further austerity measures, which the vast majority of Labour MPs
voted for again.The shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls agreeing with everything that this involved in the Blue Tory Budget

How sweet of Gray to suggest that we should spend more on Education while he and his Red Tory team have agreed to chopped Scotland’s budget to pieces.

How strange they didn’t select my comments for broadcast?

Dave McEwan Hill

Surely Kezia’a education remarks are an insult to the people of Dundee

Batbite

She’s obviously a monoglot. Lacks language and communication skills

Eh? What? Too soon?

Me Bungo Pony

Don’t see a story here. “Excellent” is a fine aspiration and everyone can have an “excellent” education without the need to redefine “satisfactory”.

There is a danger of turning Ms Dugdale into a martyr if this kind of cheap, sniggery, finger pointing becomes the norm on sites such as Wings which we rely on to highlight real issues.

Jack Murphy

ScottishLabour,on it’s Twitter Page posted this 22 hours ago:-
“KD: No parent wants a satisfactory education for their child. It’s my mission to ensure they have the best possible start in life.”
I’m puzzled. 🙁

Lenny Hartley

Didn’t Iain Gray complain in Parliament that the SNP had cut funding for those with learning difficulties to go to College. Brilliant use of public funds Mr Gray, at a time of massive Westminster
Funding cuts!!!

orri

Nope, it’s an admission that the cases of an unsatisfactory education are vanishingly slim. No redefinition at all just a slightly grudging acknowledgement that education in Scotland is actually meeting it’s targets.

asklair

I voted SNP because they are the only option for a better society. Saying that my last kid has just left secondary education, Scottish education is in a mess. I had to fight the local council for trying to introduce a compulsory school uniform policy which is not legal under Scots Law, the then Scottish Education Minister (SNP) would not get involved. Why was it so important to me, look at history, no European school promotes compulsory school uniform. I want a society where kids will question authority, and not be processed to become work drones as it is being done in my local authority.

NN

I don’t think things are going to end well in the long run if sanity doesn’t prevail in politics sooner rather than later:

link to mirror.co.uk

galamcennalath

Me Bungo Pony says:
“… cheap, sniggery, finger pointing ….”

Problem is, Labour in Scotland, that non-party fronted by a non-leader, aren’t allowed to get involved in “real issues” because they daren’t take or show any initiative because that might mean stepping outside the bounds set by their masters at HQ.

Yet, the paradox is, they pretend to wield power and some Scots who don’t open their eyes think Labour in Scotland is indeed some form of Scottish Labour.

I have no recollection of Dugdale making any serious point whatsoever! However she can’t be ignored because Labour still represent a threat to constitutional progress. All that’s left is to highlight her total ineptitude even if that means highlighting her poor language skills.

On the one hand Scotland needs an effective opposition party, on the other hand an inept Labour helps the Indy cause!

Dr Jim

@ asklair

Not having a go at you here just to say that the preferred option of school uniforms is to address the problems experienced by poorer families who couldn’t afford £100 Nike trainers or top of the range Bergen Jackets and the like

The idea was to save parents from the “My pals have got better clothes than me” problem, and given that most students couldn’t care less what their school uniform looks like the desired result is achieved

At least that was the plan

call me dave

Ipso-mori STV poll

53% YES 44% NO and 3% Dinnae ken.

I thought it would be a bit more 🙂

ross

NN,Sorry i dont have time to read the link youve posted but ill tell you this, its an absolute disgrace that people are starving in this country and at the other end of the spectrum the super rich are dishing out money for new buttholes. Ones enough in my opinion. Its just greed with that lot.

ronnie anderson

Stv news. Why oh why do Slab insist on printing posters for stage the backdrops, with Kezia Dugdales name on them, do the people attending these speeches not know who she is,does Kezia even know.

heedtracker

Scottish education is in a mess. I had to fight the local council for trying to introduce a compulsory school uniform policy which is not legal under Scots Law, the then Scottish Education Minister (SNP) would not get involved.

Teachers I know sometimes say it’s not the kids, it’s the parents.

Muscleguy

@sinky

That was SLAB’s proposed system, yes. My understanding is that the version in the Scotland Act 2015 allows for individual band varying but does not allow for new bands or the abolition of bands. So we cannot reintroduce the 10p band but we can vary them individually. SLAB did not, fortunately, get the final say on this matter.

They are still a trap of course. When Barnett gets cut the unionists will simply cry ‘well increase taxes to compensate then’. Wehave already seen that with the Tories criticising the SNP for not doing more for those folk disadvantaged by erm the Tories’ benefit changes. This will be tactic hoping people will just blame the SNP and not see it as Westminster’s fault.

This is partly why we need a new Yes campaign. To inform folk.

Tam Jardine

I agree with Stu highlighting this. Satisfactory encompasses everything from adequate all the way up to outstanding – it doesn’t make a distinction. It is often used incorrectly to mean crap. Adequate is also used wrongly to mean crap.

Pretty poor for a pre written speech. With regards to some of the personal stuff above- I’m sure Mr Dugdale is very proud of his daughter and I wish her well in the onerous task she has taken on.

Willie Rennie came across like a cross between an ambulance chasing lawyer and Holy Wullie yesterday.

I couldn’t help thinking – if all his damnation of the SNP were true, how does it reflect on him and his party that the Scottish people have absolutely zero appetite for putting the Lib Dems in charge.

Might as well stick Eleanor Bradford in his seat at Holyrood- that’s how Scottish politics is working right now anyway so why not just streamline it?

Zen Broon

As others have pointed out “satisfactory” means “bad” in edu-speak on both sides of the Border. I don’t have the context, but it might even be a clever remark.

R4

Just heard on STV News that a new opinion poll has put YES at 53% NO at 44% and don’t know’s at 3%.

Maybe it’s time for referendum 2 after all.

Nana Smith
Craig MacAonghais

I keep waiting for any evidence of rational thought from anyone in the UK Labour mob…more fool me I suppose.

Martin

Unfortunately, Stu, this satisfactory in not satisfactory pish is already embedded in the youth of today. There are only superlatives: Everything is either the best or worst thing ever,we only care about 5 and 1 star reviews, even though the others are likely to better reflect the truth. In this, Kezia is simply following rather than leading. Which, granted, is still the wrong thing for a party leader to be doing.

Iain More

BBC is on the NHS bad attack today I see. Who would work fro such a organisation when it is attacked in the Brit Nat Press and Media every other day of the week.

BBC London obviously thinks all NHS employees are unfit skivers judging by todays outpourings. Disreporting Jackie is just the usual SNP bad.

Dr Jim

@ R4

55% is the magic number says the First Minister if it holds or goes up Yes Yes Yes!!!

One_Scot

If it’s saying 53% Yes, in real money it’s probably 60% plus. Whether it will stay at that level once ‘Project Fear 2’ gets started and bottles start crashing, is anyone’s guess.

Morag

Just listened to that. I was prepared to cut her a bit of slack if her actual meaning (“no parent wants an education for their child which is merely ‘satisfactory'”) was conveyed by rhetorical nuance. It wasn’t. The delivery was dead-pan and mechanistic.

Onwards

call me dave says:

2 September, 2015 at 1:59 pm

Ipso-mori STV poll

53% YES 44% NO and 3% Dinnae ken.

I thought it would be a bit more 🙂
————

That’s a 9 point lead.
Or 55% when removing the don’t knows.

Brilliant news.

55% SNP for Holyrood also, and Nicola at 71% approval.

I think people admire this honest, less confrontational approach she has taken.

One_Scot

There is a lot to be said for the School of thought that states we had to lose the first Referendum in order to realise that Scotland should be Independent.

manandboy

Iain Gray (laughing stock), Johann Lamont (laughing stock), Jim Murphy (laughing stock), Kezia Dugdale (laughing stock) – all voted top of the class by their contemporaries in the school of Labour politics. Consistently the laughing stock of Scottish politics. You’ve got to give them 10/10 for that.

Luigi

Steady folks!

It’s easy for someone to say “YES”, when there are no consequences. It’s a wee bit more scary to put that “X” in the box on the day (as we found out last September). Quite a few folk bottled it at the last minute, IMO. Some of the bottlers will be more determined to put things right when the opportunity comes knocking again (2020?), but let’s not allow one poll to get ahead of ourselves again.

There is still much to do before IndyRef 2. The main job is to finish off the red tories so they are no longer an effective (unionist) force in Scotland. As Ms. Dugdale has said herself: “Labour is down but not out”. There are still too many Labour MSPs and councillors lingering for my liking. These have to be considerably reduced in number in 2016 and 2017.

It’s not as if removing red tories isn’t fun now, is it? Enjoy the journey. 🙂

heedtracker

53% YES is probably same as it was last year and then Project Fear went mental, especially that last two weeks of terror they dumped on Scotland. BBC only has to flick a switch and their attack moves back up to full on Projectt Fear 2. From the ongoing SNP bad campaign alone in the Pacific quay bunker, its just a quick UKOK gear change.

Look at who got BBC promoted for saving UKOK last year, Nic Roboson and Laura Keunisbergers. Lovely couple. And yes, I know, Blair MacDougal says it was him wot won it but if that’s true, how come Lord thunderbit’s not a Lord or knight or even an OBE.? Poor Bliar, so many lies, so little time.

schrodingers cat

STV poll
The majority were happy with Nicola Sturgeon, with 71% saying they are satisfied with the way she is doing her job.

David Cameron did not fare as well, with 68% saying they are dissatisfied with the Prime Minister.

schrodingers cat

Holyrood
Labour are predicted to fare worse than four years ago, getting 20% of the constituency vote and 20% of the list vote

labour support still dropping, goodo, this needs to drop to at least 15%

Macart

Nice catch Nana. 🙂

James123

I know this is just one poll, but if they continue on this trend the consensus of waiting until after 2020 for another referendum may have to be rethought.

jcd

Apparently her old man is some kind of SNP activist, right?

If so I’d have thought he’d have died of embarrassment by now.

Andrew McLean

Not at all off topic! link to WWW.whale.to

Great reading if you want to understand MSM, BBC, and any of our favourite unionist posters on any media,!

Andrew McLean

Not at all off topic,

This is great reading if you want to understand the subtext of the ramblings of Dugdale, Sliarabour, MSM or the little army of unionist posters on any forum you like.

link to whale.to

And to spot the trained UKOK poster

link to whale.to

Andrew McLean

And to spot the trained UKOK poster

link to whale.to

Lenny Hartley

O/T just reading new edition off splendid I-Scot magazine (fundraiser still running)
And notice that Paula Rose has a letter advising of a couple of Wos get together so, but I love
The I-Scot strapline “The only writing that could ever reach me was the pen of a preacher man”

Brilliant

CameronB Brodie

There is still much to do before IndyRef 2. The main job is to finish off the red tories so they are no longer an effective (unionist) force in Scotland….

“Only pursuit of the beaten enemy gives the fruits of victory.” 😉

link to clausewitz.com

Proud Cybernat

O/T

In light of today’s STV commissioned Ipsos/Mori poll showing a 53% majority of the Scottish electorate in favour of independence, I thought it might be useful to repeat here FM Nicola Sturgeon’s comments from last week:

In affirming her commitment to an independent Scotland, Sturgeon said: “We have to be patient. I would call another independence referendum in a heartbeat if I thought we would win it. And next time I want to win it. But that is not what the opinion polls are presently telling us. No opinion poll since the referendum last year has put us ahead. We need to be consistently polling around 55% in favour of independence before another referendum on independence can be called.”

I can only imagine that independence “…consistently polling around 55%…” will be regarded as a “material change” in Scottish opinion and will trigger IndyRef2.

Getting there… small moves…

galamcennalath

STV poll. With DKs distributed, it’s more like 54% yes. Nice!

Interestingly, support for a referendum being triggered by … EU exit 52%, EVEL 50%, Trident renewal 41%. Shows people are unhappy with EVEL when half would see it as an indyref2 trigger!

yesindyref2

Slow and steady. Drip drip drip, YES = YES + 1.

Steady as she goes number 1!

Take Independence

I am going to say it because it needs saying it’s not the system that is failing it’s the lazy bitches that are teaching the kids. In the past if teachers complain enough guess what they get a pay rise and the government believing that this will cure the problem, yes there needs to be a standard a standard in teaching and wither or not these teacher are up to the job which in my opinion most are not. The f*cking no campaigners stop moaning you got your wish were still in the UK little tory F*cking lovers. This may have been bottle up inside of me what a relive.

Andrew McLean

Re STV Poll
Kezia Dugdale, who took over the Scottish Labour party on August 15, has not made much of an impression. Of those polled, 32% think she is doing a good job and 31% are dissatisfied.

I take it she is a “satisfactory” Leader?

Robert Peffers

@Brian Powell says: 2 September, 2015 at 10:17 am:

“In a speech it should have been ‘merely satisfactory’ or ‘simply satisfactory’ to create the emphasis intended.”

Wait up, Brian, remember this is Kez we are discussing. One must never even guess what such as Kez, “intends”, to impart to the good people of Scotland when she opens her tiny wee mouth to communicate what is going on within her tiny wee head.

Taranaich

@Rev: You call it that, I call it “caring about fucking language”

I can’t remember a time on this site when there’s been so many people caring about language… 😛

*runs away giggling maniacally*

David McDowell

Ms Dugdales’ gaffes are starting to become embarrassingly frequent.

I suppose that’s what happens when you’re reading off a pre-prepared script.

What is the big problem with just thinking and speaking at the same time?

People do it all the time!

Nana Smith

@Macart

Call me dave is faster on the draw. Good to see the polls rising. Fair cheered me up!

Take Independence

Try saying fucking with a star in it.

Schrodingers cat

What ever it is the unionists think they are doing, it doesn’t appear to be working

71% think Nicola is doing a good job, 68% think Cameron is rubbish

They don’t sound like hard unionists to me, the hard unionists I know would never say such things to anyone

This is a very hopeful statistic, it says there are enough people in our population that we can convert and convince to vote yes

I find this very comforting

yesindyref2

@Take Independence
My daughter is a teacher and she’s far from lazy. Once school is over she has all the CfE reporting stuff to do, then prepare for class the next day. She’s been up at times till the wee hours doing the work. And even in the school holidays there’s work to do, courses to attend.

Will Podmore

When the Rev was criticised – ‘this kind of cheap, sniggery, finger pointing’, he responded ‘You call it that, I call it “caring about fucking language”.’
Sounds like he’s lost it.

boris
ahundredthidiot

Move along now Will Podmore

Nothing to see here

Robert Peffers

@annie says: 2 September, 2015 at 10:36 am:

” – No think that’s James Kelly and he always looks like that”.

That reply, Annie, made me laugh out loud on a day I otherwise had absolutely nothing to laugh about. It began badly and it continues to become worse.

heedtracker

Will Podmore says:

He’s not standing for election Will, the Rev I mean. Y’see Will, you must have missed all the times Jim Murphy stood up and talked bollox and now we have Dugdale doing exactly the same. And now, one SLab MP is left in their Scotland region. Red tory Murray gets a lovely puff from hard core blue tory Press and Journal today, but even these creeps cant find a nice photo of that dude.

steveasaneilean

Is Scotland leading the world education league? No but it’s doing okay. We have world class universities producing world class graduates the majority of whom went through Scottish schools so they can’t be that bad.

The constant sniping from (Not) Labour only serves to dishearten the dedicated professionals trying to do their best whether it be in health, education, social work or whatever.

And Stu is right – anyone who thinks that it is possible for every school to be better than average is statistically illiterate. Unless we accept that some schools will perform better than others then the only logical alternative is for every school to be as good as every other school – in other words average!

Ultimately the key to a fairer education system and better education for all is to tackle underlying societal inequalities. But without indepence and the full fiscal responsibility that goes with that any Scottish Government will be working with one hand tied behind its back.

asklair

Seen a few replies to my post re compulsory school uniform, I did hours of research to reach my personal opinion. At the time the best performing education system in Europe was in Finland, no school uniform, no streaming of abilities, shorter school times and more respect for teachers. Try sending your kids in white shirts everyday, any kid whose home life is in turmoil is soon identified, just ready to be bullied. I questioned the fact that much of the “cheap” school uniform, most probably was made by children, “thats not our problem”. Two fingers to all the people who talk pish about how good compulsory school uniform is, great for training the future generation to obey orders.

Take Independence

I’ve hard all this before and I am sick of hearing it so don’t start preaching to me about your daughter it’ll fall on deaf ears. If she good then be proud, I ask myself the question why would you need to start mouthing off about your daughter and her standards.

Robert Peffers

@Tom Webster says: 2 September, 2015 at 11:13 am

” … No a 2.1 does not amount to being measured as ‘above average’. Each piece of work is assessed on its own merits, measured in terms of coherence, accuracy, independence, persuasiveness, critical engagement and communicative skills and the like and given a grade of between 0 and 100. If one essay does well by these criteria it would get, say, 65 and the grade would not be increased on the grounds that it was in a batch of poor essays or reduced because it was in a batch of excellent.”

I’ll give the above comment a 4 out of 10.

Signed, Professor Stanley Unwin.

bugsbunny

Years ago, in the Private Eye, there used to be a regular column called Coleman Balls, attributed to, of course, the Sports Commentator David Coleman and his many gaffes.

Can we please have Duggie Balls? it’s only fair and proper. Maybe we can archive all these Duggie Balls into a Wings Folder for future reference?

Stephen.

Petra

I don’t know how Nicola Sturgeon can bear to listen to Kezia Dugdale and her colleagues, such as Baillie. She must have the patience of a saint. Anyone with a modicum of brain cells knows that children who are living in abject poverty don’t do well at school. Abject poverty relates to many of these children going without meals, sleeping in cold homes / beds, leaving for school without having had any breakfast, wearing inadequate clothing and the general misery of many of them no doubt living with anxious and depressed parents all of which has an impact on learning.

Ms Dugdale supports the financial and moral obscenity known as Trident renewal. Her party backed the Tories austerity measures. Statistics show that most of the areas that have the highest level of poverty (and educational attainment), consistently over many decades now, are run by Labour Councils. And let’s not forget that the Labour Party in Scotland didn’t have to deal with Tory austerity measures when they were in power. For the best part of the time they even had Blair and more so Brown throwing money around like confetti.

If she’s truly concerned about the Scots and the children in particular it’s about time she (and others) cut out the SNP blame game, started telling the truth and stood up to the real culprits i.e. the Tories.

It’s just too bad that she has no one in her party, north or south of the border, of the calibre of Phillipa Whitford (from 6:32 on).

link to youtube.com

There’s no doubt that we always have to keep a vigilant eye on what’s happening in Scottish primary schools (and secondary) but don’t you think it’s strange that you never hear Kezia Dugdale, the BBC, STV etc etc mention the fact that according to UK statisticians (such as ONS) Scotland is THE most highly-educated country in Europe and stands alongside the best-educated countries in the World overall such as Finland, Luxemburg, Canada and Russia.

ONS chief economic adviser Joe Grice has stated (June 2014) that ” More than two-fifths of Scotlands 25 to 64-year-olds have a college or university qualification. In terms of the proportion of the population going into higher and tertiary education, Scotland actually has just about the highest in the world. Scotland also does very well in terms of people in the working-age population (16-64) that have got a qualification at NVQ4 or above. Both of those are strong indications of a skilled workforce in Scotland.”

tony O'neill

Her parents must be very proud of her,lol.

Stoker

Will Podmore wrote:
“When the Rev was criticised – ‘this kind of cheap, sniggery, finger pointing’, he responded ‘You call it that, I call it “caring about fucking language”.’
Sounds like he’s lost it.”

Away and raffle yer doughnut, he’d buy and sell you twice before he even opened his eyes in the morning. You truly are an attention seeker of the thickest order, eh! Wee Willie Wolf, amateur commie and bullshitter extraordinaire.

Anagach

asklair says:
compulsory school uniform

Meta studies of whats effective in education show no link to uniform and attainment or improvement.

I am not aware of studies in social ostracism, bullying or social inclusion based upon the use of a uniform or not. But there may well be some.

Marcia

Nice poll news to read on returning home to Scotland today. We would need to have a few consistent polls showing a comfortable yes lead before triggering Ref2. However we know what the establishment will throw at us and a lot of it won’t wash the second time.

call me dave

@Nana Smith

Ach! But you brought the goods to the table with your link Nana which is better.

I’ve given up on the previous two threads…my heids hurting and I am just standing on the sidelines without carping. Life too short!

Just reading that labour would double the money the SG is putting into ‘try’ closing the educational gap. Money to burn has labour and many magic rabbits to pull from John Bull’s hat.

Also listening to the man from Shelter Scotland bestowing very faint praise on the SG initiative for the their assisted buying scheme. It’s not enough he says…Makes you weary…init!

I hope Sturgeon is not kidding when she says that the SG may reject all these pretendy powers that were not getting.

PS:
My Sunday Post Lib Dem father in-law frae Oban actual said without me prompting a discussion.

“I’ll give the wee lassie (Sturgeon) her due, she did Oban proud on her visit earlier in the month”

I nodded, in a state off shock, looking into the middle distance where I spotted a ‘Royal family calendar’ on his lounge wall next to the 1953 tapestry of the royal coach and horses.

To add insult to injury there was a card from Betty behind the door when I brought them home frae Fife after their 60th Diamond Wedding do.

Didn’t tell him I arranged it all through the Anniversaries Office at Buckingham Palace. 🙁

Still waiting on radio Scotland to mention the poll…maybe later.

yesindyref2

@Take Independence
If you put your fingers over your ears, you can better hear the voices within.

yesindyref2

Mmm, 53% inc DKs, nearly 55% for YES. Makes me think of a song:

Indy’s is in the air
Everywhere I look around
Indy’s in the air
Every sight and every sound

And I don’t know if I’m being foolish
Don’t know if I’m being wise
But it’s something that I must believe in
And it’s there when I look in your eyes

Nana Smith

@call me dave

I was sure you had given a link, brain somewhat frazzled after yesterday!

Need to go lie down in a darkened room.

Good to see you survived the in laws.

CameronB Brodie

steveasaneilean
Watch out, watch out, there’s a Utility Monster on the loose. 😉

dakk

Will Promote

‘He’s lost it’

It’s called hard hitting ,shoot from the hip honest writing.

Something we enjoy as an antidote to the lies,and propaganda of the anodyne BritNat MSM.

If you don’t like it go and read some back issues of Soviet Weekly like a good ‘communist’ 🙂

Robert Peffers

@Me Bungo Pony says: 2 September, 2015 at 1:16 pm:

“Don’t see a story here.”, but then you would say that – wouldn’t you?

” … There is a danger of turning Ms Dugdale into a martyr if this kind of cheap, sniggery, finger pointing becomes the norm on sites such as Wings which we rely on to highlight real issues.”

Oh! I see what you mean – like the way the, “kind of cheap, sniggery, finger pointing becomes the norm.”, way that the electorate now treats the, “Establishment”, unionists these days because of their cheap, sniggery, finger pointing they were doing this very morning.

This on the day a opinion poll has been published which shows the Scottish electorate are now well over 50% in favour of total independence. It seems not to prevent them from, “cheap, sniggery, finger pointing”, propaganda. In fact they seem to have stepped it up over the past few days.

Fireproofjim

Petra
Thanks for the link to Phillips Whiteford’s speech. She is great. Not a glance at a note during the whole speech.
The people of South Ayrshire are lucky to have such an MP.

Dave McEwan Hill

We only need to convince a majority of our population that we are self supporting and we win.
That has always been the case. That is why our opponents expend so much energy in trying to convince so may that the opposite is the case. That is their only tactic

yesindyref2

@call me dave
It’s perhaps the lull before the storm, as Indy supporters become restless, eating our fingers and each other, waiting for whatever comes next. It’s why Indy Ref 2 may have to come even if not the ideal moment, to keep the momentum, though 55% consistenly (as per Sturgeon) is a good guide.

I think she recognises this restlessness, as I’d say the SNP would prefer 60%, not 55%. It’ll be hard work, but I’d opt for a fairly short campaign, maybe 6 months this time.

yesindyref2

@Dave McEwan Hill
The low oil price is a blessing, not a curse. The revenue would only represent 1% or so of Scotland’s GDP, so the Unionists won’t be able to pull the “volatile resource” card from the deck.

“If oil prices rise we’ll set up an oil fund with it” would be unchallengeable.

sandycraig

” Andrew McLean @3.19 ”
Good reading on disinformation. I think the all the ” better thegitherers and their media pals ” must have learned that lot by heart. They used every single item in your post.

Saw the Andy Patterson ” 3000 Trees ” play about W MCRAE at the YEScafe in Liberton last week. Excellent, and then a wee blether after the performance. Recommended.

Al Dossary

The Scottish education system is not failing by any means, but it still suffers from the age old malaise that is the British education system.

The bottom tier of the system was designed to churn out kids at 16 (or younger if you go farther back) to populate the multitude of jobs that existed back then – whether it was to be as a labourer, secretary or apprenticeship for example. The higher tier was designed to churn out pupils for white collar jobs, maybe even further education whilst the elite (private) tier churned out kids for Higher education if the parents were rich enough (or indeed the kids were clever enough to get a bursary)

Fast forward to the late 70’s / early 80’s and the jobs had started to disappear. Kids were now being churned out from the lower tier to either get work, a YTS or on the dole.

I would even go so far as to say that the entire education system is designed such that the vast majority of pupils never rise above their designed social standing.

Not for a minute do I believe that those at private schools are any more intelligent than their less fortunate peers – rather that they are taught in a much better ordered system, and worked that much harder than our normal schools do. Their day is filled from morning to night by classes, sports and homework. And it churns out well qualified, confident individuals who consistently outperform the majority of our state educated children.

@Colin Duff – Many thanks for reminding me of Ivor Cutler. Currently listening him on Youtube, reminiscing of my late night John Peel sessions as a teenager. Absolute genius of a man.

manandboy

With thanks to Andrew Maclean above at 3.19pm.

A message for those who feel the hand of Unionist oppression and exploitation.

“Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression. The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. God, as truth incarnate, will not long let stand a world devoted to such evil. Therefore, let us have the truth and freedom our spirits require… or let us die seeking these things, for without them, we shall surely and justly perish in an evil world”.

(Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
by H. Michael Sweeney)

heraldnomore

Did I just hear the doughty Brian Taylor Esq use the words ‘powerful speech’ and ‘Iain Grey’ in the same sentence? And he a linguist lover, just t like the Rev. Sheech.

Petra

Woweeeee!! some good news delivered by Nana et al. I’m just watching the Chase but it was interrupted by John MacKay STV News who said that a poll has shown that the majority of Scots would now vote for Independence. Have to wait until 6pm to get the finer details ‘big smiley face’.

Another few months of the Tories policies and hey ho who knows?

call me dave

Big Brian opines on the Scottish radio, excluding the DK’s it’s 55% YES he offers us in subdued tones.

He prefers to let us hear the powerful speech by Mr Gray at Holyrood but included Mr Swinney seeing him off. Fair enough!

But wait, his parting shot, hinting that the polis is bad!

Meanwhile Teflon Tony spins another book as he claims he gave us the devolved parliaments but never saw the Scottish thing!

Didn’t know where the bodies were buried….Dunbar Tony!

link to archive.is

Take Independence

yesindyref2

I know what my voice within tells me about you mouthpiece. I notice you didn’t mention if you where proud of your daughter.

Blair paterson

I think the Labour Party and the bbc are doing a great job of digging their own graves

Take Independence

yesindyref2

Your dreaming for the sake dreaming it’s called a referendum not a neverendum. It need to be called when it will be decisively won and not untill.

gus1940

Re Ref2 one of the biggest advantages that YES2 will have over Project Fear2 is that unless they can think of something new second time around The Guys In The Black Hats fired off all their ammo last year at the last minute in their desperation.

The electorate or the vast majority have now seen through the cr-p that was thrown at us in particular the ever so sincere love-bombing and we shall be ready for whatever they try next time.

O/T Is there no escape from the awful Mone creature? – she even featured in yesterday’s Pointless in questions about famous Scots (don’t laugh)and there seems to be a serious outbreak of cross-infection of Mone Mania from The Herald to The National.

Bill Dale

Philippa Whitford is indeed a class act. We are lucky to have her as our MP, but she is Central Ayrshire, not South Ayrshire. She is a tireless campaigner for Indy and was a top cancer surgeon until winning the seat in May.

Graham

@Al Dossary 5:43 Agree with much of what you say, but main reason for education “failure” is inequality and poverty. NS should have thrown that back at Ms Davidson – since 1979 successive blue governments have increased inequality and have not invested in education because they refuse to tax progressively. I would also get rid of Private Schools – they are the main way the rich continue their lineage.

Cadogan Enright

I hope the SNP Government make ‘Civics’ a compulsory part of the curriculum and that it includes a basic understanding of International Law and Human Rights with its concomitant respect for diversity, minorities and one’s own human self.

I would hate to see an Independent Scotland where children grew up like in Bath where even the better educated members of society feel that it is acceptable to refer to other peoples skin colour, religion, language, culture as “obsolete”, “pointless” and lacking in utility.

This sort of expression of dodgy blood-and-soil ethnic nationalism needs to be left with the Rest of UK (ROUK).

These sorts of abuses have been used by an elite in the UK for generations to impose what they perceive as their dominant and pejorative opinions of culture on other parts of the 3 Kingdoms and the Principality UK-wide.

Let them keep their colonial right wing opinions to themselves in ROUK while Scotland shines in a country where there are citizens and not subjects and the Government knows the difference while embracing international law and human rights.

louis.b.argyll

Graham,

No need to point our such glaring inadequacy in Tory polic…

It’s an argument we have already won.

yesindyref2

@Take Independence
Nice try Kez, off you go to FMQ, good luck, you’ll need it.

David Smith

@Takeindependence Might I politely suggest you get back inside your Trojan Horse and fuck off back to 77 Brigade HQ?
While you’re doing that you might want to stop by 1975 and leave your condescending sexist bullshit back there in its proper place. Male teachers exist too.
And don’t give us that standard self made, self employed work ethic shite either.

Now fuck off, there’s a good troll.

Tackety Beets

Call Me Dave @ 5.49

And there was I clicking your link thinking it was to the ” Dunbar ” story of the day .

Naw it was C@@t face Teflon Tony’s coupon !

Ach well ND on RS will give me the real story ……. Aye right !

galamcennalath

gus1940 says:
“Re Ref2 one of the biggest advantages that YES2 will have over Project Fear2 is that unless they can think of something new second time around The Guys In The Black Hats fired off all their ammo last year at the last minute in their desperation”

Exactly. This Better Together scenario we were offered isn’t working out too well! Half the scaremongering of Fear 1 are coming to pass within the Union. And, a lot more Scots see it is only going to get worst with the Tories in WM.

What will they try next time? Perhaps more personal insults and smearing of individuals supporting Indy? It will be even dirtier, I fear.

Gary45%

Classic, every time Duggers opens her mouth, all you hear and see is the sound of a western wind with tumble weeds blowing by.
Future First MInister!!!!
of WHAT?????

yesindyref2

@galamcennalath
Yes, it’s going to be more down and dirty, in fact it’s started already. We’ll need to rise above it and not respond in kind.

call me dave

@Tackety Beets

Sorry here is what I read a while ago.
A lot more than about 20 skeletons I fear. Hard times 🙁

link to archive.is

link to geni.com

link to scan.org.uk

CameronB Brodie

Cadogan Enright
We all live and learn, hopefully, as it’s the only vehicle that advances understanding and enables us to read the signs in front of us. 😉

Robert Peffers

@yesindyref2 says: 2 September, 2015 at 5:38 pm:

Who said in reply to – Dave McEwan Hill, who in turn said, “The low oil price is a blessing, not a curse. The revenue would only represent 1% or so of Scotland’s GDP, so the Unionists won’t be able to pull the “volatile resource” card from the deck.”

“If oil prices rise we’ll set up an oil fund with it” would be unchallengeable.”

More to the point, Yesindyref2, is the stark truth that as Scotland doesn’t get a penny of the oil & gas revenues because the Establishment classes it all as revenues from, “Extra-Regio-Terrirories”, and takes every last penny of them as UK property, it doesn’t change Scotland’s income in any way.

When the price drops it is the UK’s income that drops and only ther UK’s income..

Take Independence

David Smith

Are you claiming your a teacher dave, and what’s your link to what I have said to the British Army It’s poeple like you that Scotland doesn’t want, you sound like a small man with no substance. Are you the Husband our what, I bet I can round you off to a tee, you have all your sixty years voted Tory.

yesindyref2

I see Curtice is on the Ipsos Mori poll “caution caution caution”.

Dr Jim

Whit did ah tell ye twa weeks ago

The first Minister is going to need a set of those ear defenders she wears when she’s visiting the factories for FMQs

She’s going to have us screaming in one ear for Independence and Dippity Chief Dug whining in the other Eagh Eagh Eagh
With Ruthless in the middle tank gun firmly between her loins

Oooh I just heard that and made a mental picture (I’m so sorry)

Roll_On_2015

OT – Incoming

Scotland would vote for independence in a second referendum, new poll finds.

The dream will never die!

Take Independence

yesindyref2 and David Smith English name

Talk about being two faced I have only post a comment and your hatred has come right out and youv’e got a fucking cheeck to turn round and say “We’ll need to rise above it and not respond in kind” think before you fucking speak.

David Smith

Says the man who roundly writes all teachers off as lazy bitches.
That shows true depths of character. Yes I’m a sixty year old lifelong Tory voter.
That’s why I support a socialist republic for Scotland

Now fuck off.

Peter Craig

Don’t want to burst anyones bubble but last year three late polls put Yes slightly ahead and the unionists just cranked up their project fear rhetoric.

If support for Indyref2 starts north of 55% then they will go to DefCon 1 right at the outset.

I am certain we can win, just don’t think it’s the shoe-in some believe.

galamcennalath

yesindyref2 says:
I see Curtice is on the Ipsos Mori poll “caution caution caution”.

He is probably right. We want to see a series of polls giving similar, or better, figures.

Even with the normal +/- 3% on samples of ~1000, this latest poll is good. We want this one to be part of a significant swing to Yes.

john king

@Take independence…
TAKE A HIKE!

David Smith

“English name” Relevance, please?

You’re not very good at this, are you?

Take Independence

David Smith

“That’s why I support a socialist republic for Scotland” Since when, I bet that before the Referendum you never even given SNP or Scotland being independent a second thought.

Truth

On the topic of school uniform. I recall as a schoolboy a debate I had with a teacher who was calling for school uniform.

I told him I disagreed, but if it was to be forced through I would be starting a campaign to bring back uniform for teachers. Ie mortar board and gown.

He soon shut up.

Scunterbunnet

@David Smith

“Yes I’m a sixty year old lifelong Tory voter.
That’s why I support a socialist republic for Scotland”

Are you related to Prof Tompkins by any chance? 😉

@Take Independence … you’re not very good at this, mate. Some of the other trolls have been satisfactory, average even. I award you an F minus. Read this, then come back to re-sit the test.

link to wikihow.com

heedtracker

Take Independence says:

Friendly advice, whatever you think you’re doing, you’re making a complete fool of yourself. Its really funny but its not a good look for all and any NO campers creeping about.

We have already have a fool house of NO horrors doing a far better job than ever can. No pun intended.

link to twitter.com or
link to twitter.com

Take Independence

Its not my place to come on her and teach “john king David Smith or yesindyref2” but rather then ask me politely explain my comments or should I say have good manners.
I am going to say it because it needs saying it’s not the system that is failing it’s the lazy definition bitch “express displeasure grumble”, hence my comment about pay I thought I was making myself clear about teachers. I wasn’t refering to a dog now please stop with your hatred it’s not what poeple want to read if I have offended anyone I sincerely apologize but my experence as a child in the educations system wasn’t a plesent one.

Stoker

As soon as i seen Nana Smiths news, re; new poll, i thought – ‘YES, YA BEAUTY, first step in the right direction, now we need many more of these with the percentages steadily rising.’

C’mon folks, let’s keep the focus, step up the efforts, keep talking to and converting folk and direct them to WOS.
Let’s take this fight to the enemy and educate our brothers & sisters. Let’s not wait for a date – let’s make it happen.
Get out and about and make it count.
😉

Take Independence

john king says:
2 September, 2015 at 7:43 pm

@Take independence…
TAKE A HIKE!

Are you the owner of the site Yes or No.

dakk

Take Take Independence and shove him up his COs arse.

Petra

Some great informative posts on here once again. Some are also totally inspirational such as posted by manandboy at 5:46pm quoting H M Sweeney.

@ Fireproofjim says at 5:31 pm ‘’Petra thanks for the link to Phillips Whiteford’s speech. She is great. Not a glance at a note during the whole speech. The people of South Ayrshire are lucky to have such an MP.’’

If you want to hear all of the SNP maiden speeches go to the SNP Stirling site Fireproofjim. All brilliant. Listen to Tommy Sheppards speech given without the help of notes too.

@ Boris at 4:42pm. Thanks for that link to Adam Tomkins Boris. So MUCH to read through such as on the Constitution, Who owns Scotland? Scandal of the hidden rural lords and of course the legality of holding a Referendum.

On ‘’who owns Scotland’ he (Tomkins) warned that ‘’A vote for independence could spark a bitter tug-of-war between Scotland and England over ‘shared’ UK property” and predicted that under international law, all government buildings, institutions and organisations could be up for grabs.

On ‘holding a referendum’ he stated that ‘’the law was clear and insisted that the Scottish Parliament could not hold a referendum without Westminster permission.” “The Scottish Parliament was created by the Scotland Act 1998, and the Scotland Act 1998 is the instrument which delivered devolution for Scotland, it created the Scottish parliament and it provides for the powers that the Scottish parliament has …. the Scottish Parliament’s legislative power was limited to that which was devolved to it and as the Constitution was a reserved matter, it had no power to hold a referendum on independence.” The academic claimed that to attempt to try to take on more powers would be in breach of law and would be liable to end up in court.

And if we were to get our Independence he says ‘’we can be clear about what it would mean in legal terms for Scotland to leave the UK. The rest of the UK would continue and, legally, it would continue as the UK. It would need a new name (the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland) and a new flag (there would be no blue on it anymore) but, in international law, it would be the continuing state. Scotland, by contrast, would be a brand new state. The continuing UK would inherit all of the international legal obligations currently in place in respect of the UK, including its EU membership, its UN and NATO memberships, its seat at the Security Council, as well as treaty obligations under 14,000 different instruments of international law.’’

I thought that MANY (not all) International legal obligations / treaties and so on made from 1707 until now (such time as we become independent) would become null and void with Westminster having to renegotiate too ….. one of the main reason for the Unions opposition to Independence other than robbing us blind, Trident etc. Maybe someone like Robert (Peffers) could make sense of this.

Just to let you know that Alex Salmond is on Scotland Tonight at 10:30pm. No doubt will be questioned about the recent poll / next Indyref.

PS I see that I made a right booboo in my last post. Meant to say highest level of poverty (”and lowest level of” educational attainment).

Dr Jim

Nice to see the Trolls back on when the percentages go up isn’t it though

It gives them purpose I suppose

Try not to have battles of wits with them though

They’re unarmed

yesindyref2

@Take Independence from your first posting: “it’s the lazy bitches that are teaching the kids.”

No mistake about that, so trying to crawl out from under the stone with “the lazy definition bitch “express displeasure grumble”” won’t work.

HAND FOAD

Grouse Beater

Education is the province of the political charlatan.

They know it costs too much to alter radically so they snipe at it, and snip away at the edges.

Al Dossary

@Truth
Mortar boards and gowns. My English teacher back in the late 80’s was still wearing hers – as she had been when she taught my mother 20+ years earlier.

Also just gave my wife the good news that I get back from Saudi on the 18th Sept, and will be going to George Sq on the 19th for a certain rally. She took it surprisingly well, although I have a feeling that it will cost me dearly somehow whether she decides to accompany me or not.

Grouse Beater

Petra: Thanks for that link to Adam Tomkins

link to grousebeater.wordpress.com

call me dave

@Take Independence

Your views on teachers are your own, I don’t agree that all teachers are bad, some are , but others are good examples.
One of your posts was, in my opinion rude, but after the previous threads on here …well.

I had a range of teachers from sadist tawse swingers who had to get their daily dose in no matter who or what a pupil had done and others who lit a way forward for me towards adulthood.

The best bunch were in FE and I appreciated all of them.
Been one myself for a long while after working for a living but not with children, that is a real vocation.

I’m sure some will cut you a little slack on here for a while…everyone has a song to sing, don’t give up yet.

Mind you if you are agin independence, you’ll have a hard road to travel.

Now, who mentioned Ivor Cutler a while back, I’d just about forgotten him and his waste of the airspace on radio 4 extra!

He’ll be due a re-run soon. An acquired taste 🙁

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yesindyref2
bitches also means whining excessively I have noticed that you are on here all the fucking time just doing that christ havn’t you got a life. Your never going to change the world.

Roll_On_2015

Here is James Kelley’s take on the latest poll over at ‘SCOT goes POP’.

In conclusion he states…

What we could really do with now is an independence poll from TNS – the only other regular ‘real world’ pollster on Scottish political affairs.

They use the face-to-face approach rather than telephone, and if they come close to replicating Ipsos-Mori’s finding, it could be hugely significant.

(If they don’t, of course, it increases the chances that the online pollsters are closest to the mark.)

More details to follow…

HandandShrimp

Kezia’s speechifying would make GW’s heart swell with pridefulness.

Take Independence

I noticed you still havn’t answered my question and I am willing to bet that your daughter has never been a teacher your on here every day moaning about one thing or another.

yesindyref2

@Dr Jim
Ah, they’re ‘armless. More Westminster cuts.

Scunterbunnet

Peter Craig: “Don’t want to burst anyones bubble but last year three late polls put Yes slightly ahead and the unionists just cranked up their project fear rhetoric.”

That’s true. But looking at it another way, there was a 20 point swing to yes over the course of the campaign. Starting at 53%, it could easily be 73% by the time the votes are cast… well maybe 🙂

There is a big difference from last time though, if a referendum campaign starts with Yes in the lead. The entire Scottish political and media classes will be seriously looking at their job prospects post-Independence: you betcha they’ll modulate their rhetoric accordingly… the House of Lords won’t be swelling much to accommodate failed Uncle Tam hacks from Johnny Foreigner Jockland.

Similarly, the UK State apparatus will be making contingency plans this time – probably with the view that a split is nigh on inevitable. They’ll keep their sleekitness powder dry for negotiating the divorce. All nicey-nicey during the referendum campaign, and then hardball when agreeing a settlement.

(IMHO as a random commentard on the internet)

David Smith

Must be short staffed tonight; they appear to have deployed the tea boy…

shug

Am I the only person who listens to the labour party speakers and cringes with embarrassment for them and their party.
There was a time when, even if you disagreed they could speak in public. The last 5 leaders are barley capable of reading their notes and delivering simple sentences
It is no wonder the BBC do not broadcast their ineptitude. They know the effect it has!

Robert Peffers

@john king says: 2 September, 2015 at 7:43 pm:

“@Take independence…
TAKE A HIKE!”

Tell you what, John. What with the simultaneous barrage of outright attacks opening up against the SNP/Independence Movement by the Scottish based Establishment parties and the instant support they received from the State Propaganda Broadcasting Company and the rest of the MSM, I was not at all surprised to see lots of new names popping up on WoS.

Now I may be wrong, and it wouldn’t be the first time, but the former clearly identifiable unionist trolls had gone AWOL then, after a shot rest, a new batch of either infrequent or new commenters immediately pop up with rather chancy posts.

I have to wonder if this is a change of shift by Brigade 77 or perhaps just the same old trolls flying false colours?

It is all so well co-ordinated as to raise immediate suspicions. In fact it seems the exact kind of thing you would expect to come from the UK, (they are, “A”, British military not, “The”, British Military force), mind-set.

The military mind-set is a bit like the Cybermen made infamous by the Dr Who series. Lots of mindless automatons directed by one centrally shared, (usually addled), brain.

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call me dave
Not all teacher are bad teacher I will except the wording of my post was wrong, but I can’t see how anyone can say that the education system in Scotland is failing then look at the goverment to blame, when teachers have the one to one in the classroom with the kids if a adult leaves school and is unable to read and write surly it mostly lies with he teachers not being able to provid the correct method in atracting the kids attention in the first place.

yesindyref2

@David Smith
Jezerna’s wee brother maybe. Or sister!

Dr Jim

David Cameron must be in a right panic now
all in one go he could lose his job as Prime Minister, Lose Scotland, AND Lose the European Union he’ll go down in history as the biggest Tory disaster they’ve ever had

I wonder if Brenda’s Purring Tonight

Oooh!! Just remembered Former First minister The Rt Hon Alex Salmond is on Scotland Tonight with “JOHN MCKAY” was that loud enough

Ye jist know whit Alex is gonny say eh?

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David Smith
Have you talk shit all your life what’s “Must be short staffed tonight; they appear to have deployed the tea boy” If your the best Scotland has to offer fucking god help us all you best stay in the trenches redcoat.

Dr Steinberg

I’ve been waiting all day to hear this. She never disappoints. But somewhere a village is missing it’s idiot 😉

Dave McEwan Hill

Robert Peffers at 7.04

Well said. I’ve been rabitting on about this for ages. I must have written more than ten letters to newspapers pointing this out and none of them have been printed.

Dr Jim

Idiot Stephen Daisley you know the one
reckons we’ll definitely be Independent in 20 years but even at that we probably still lose

Consistent thinker that man+ I don’t think he’s paying proper attention to what folk are saying

“If the people of Scotland demonstrate a demand for Independence” The First Ministers words, so upwardly polling percentages mean, (not a trick question) we get what we, the people demand,

That’s democracy, and I’ll put money on it being in the Manifesto ( Caveated )

Scunterbunnet

@Robert Peffers
“It is all so well co-ordinated as to raise immediate suspicions.”

The crack troops have been recalled from the provinces, to deal with Corbyn’s slave revolt in Londinium. A single ill-equipped auxiliary has been left at the frontier, to lob the odd amphora of flaming pish at us over Hadrian’s Wall.

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It doesn’t matter how many polls we have saying that yes is in the lead, we are never going to be able to convince these that have somthing to loose to vote yes, I was hoping for the full fiscal powers,then independence,but that isn’t going to happen. I think our best chance of changing the no voters minds is this in out referendum on the EU and hoping England pulls us out,then and only then will we stand a chance of achieving Independence

Nana Smith

Front pages tomorrow.

A child’s body being carried up the beach and that bastard Cameron says no to refugees. No to helping people who are in dire need caused by the UK’s insatiable greed and lust for empire.

Bloody hell is this your shit British values Dave.

Hate this bloody dirty government and their lackeys at the bloody bbc

Mealer

Things certainly appear to be drifting to Yes.Its difficult to see anything on the horizon to stop the drift.Four more years of Cameron followed by a long stint of Osborne? It’s not going to appeal to many in Scotland.

Brian Doonthetoon

Hi Robert Peffers.

You typed,
“Signed, Professor Stanley Unwin.”

Ochone! Deep fundimundilly of joy for the menshold of the mastery of the Anglyfold langwich, the one and twicely Stanley Unwin.
Deep kudos for the recognishy! You may find this prevail a deep interymost:-

link to sites.google.com

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Hi yesindyref2

You typed,
“It’ll be hard work, but I’d opt for a fairly short campaign, maybe 6 months this time.”

To me (and others), 6 months is too long. It’s up to the SNP, and all the continuing YES groups, to reinforce the debunking of the LIES that were spread before the referendum. (Like the myth about “no UK pensions”.) A maximum of three months when the time comes would, to me, be sufficient.

We shouldn’t be using the time before the next referendum to explain where the last one failed; we should have had the info out there – well before any announcement of a vote – so that ‘the ordinary people’ merely need confirmation that a vote for YES is just normal and expected.

Nana Smith
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Nana Smith
The World wants to hold its head in shame, why isnt the UN doeing somthing.

gerry parker

Nana@ 9:50.

Have you seen Munguin’s latest post?

link to munguinsrepublic.blogspot.co.uk

Jim McIntosh

We quite rightly should be excited that YES is now standing at >53%.

NO voters are 11% down, these are probably Labour voters who were hoping for a win in GE 2015. With the Labour party crashing and burning both north and south of the border the chances of a Labour government in the next 10 years is pretty slim and they’ve accepted the fact the only way to break free of the Tory grip is through independence.

So 8% have crossed the floor and 3% aren’t sure any more, but they have taken the first steps.

What’s really significant is that this is happening when the oil price is at its lowest for 6 years. So people aren’t being taken in any more with the scare stories.

Rubbing our noses in it by giving peerages, knighthoods, promotions etc. to leading members of the Better Together brigade, be they official (Tories, Labour, Libs), or unofficial (BBC, Civil Service) hasn’t helped their cause either.

Ironic that Andrew Gilligan of the Telegraph was up in arms a month before the referendum basically complaining Scottish civil servants had become part of the YES campaign. There was a great quote in the article:

“John McTernan, a Labour strategist, says: “When we have a Labour government, there will have to be a truth-and-reconciliation commission and people will have to be executed.”

Could be while yet before they have to call Albert Pierrepoint 🙂 🙂 .

Fred

Interesting intervention by Angela Merkel into the Catalonia question, she states that it will have to apply for EU membership on independence. Fast forward to England voting to leave the EU and Scotland for staying in?

Will Podmore back from subverting the Labour election I see. Three quid well spent?

Alan Mackintosh

Muscleguy, re your thoughts earlier on the tax issue. I’m sure I heard Nicla this morning explaining that the new powers, (if the Scot Parliament vote for them)did not allow for varying of any single tax rate. Gary R was pushing her for an answer and she said it a couple of times as she was explaing she wanted a progressive system and the way it is set up won’t allow it. To increase the top rate would mean increasing the basic rate. And likewise, reducing basic rate, would mean reducing top rate. Guess its just another example of the trap set by Smith/westminster.

galamcennalath

Scunterbunnet says
” The entire Scottish political and media classes will be seriously looking at their job prospects post-Independence ”

Yes, it’s a whole different scenario if we go into IndyRef2 with a good lead and a real prospect of winning.

Let’s face it last time many in the “political and media classes” , the Unionist part of course, treated it all a a bit of a joke. Only in the final few weeks did they take it seriously and panic.

Then there is the whole aspect of being the norm and mainstream, rather than being the fringe and outsider. The pressure is to join the winning side and not be left standing with the losers. Yes would be the conforming option, No would be going against the flow.

Where careers are at stake, people have to assess their position in a different way!

Graeme Doig

Nana

Depressing, depressing scenes.

Cameron reckons ‘Britain is doing it’s bit’. Scotland can only sit and watch.

heedtracker

HandandShrimp says:
2 September, 2015 at 8:41 pm
Kezia’s speechifying would make GW’s heart swell with pridefulness.

I’m not a Doctor but the clinical term for Kezia’s condition is spoonerism, as in James Tiberius Murphy showed classic symptoms of spoonerism and it’s highly contagious.

There is no none cure, other than losing every seat bar one on their Scotland region but cant wait to see what the Dugdale reign of SLab jibber jabber producerises.

Robert Peffers

@Petra says: 2 September, 2015 at 8:13 pm:

“The rest of the UK would continue and, legally, it would continue as the UK. It would need a new name (the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland) and a new flag (there would be no blue on it anymore) but, in international law, it would be the continuing state.

Aye! Petra I can make sense of it and the good professors take on it is all utter and complete balderdash. Facts, as always, beat bullshit.

Let’s start with what would be the legal, “Status Quo Ante”, , before 1 May 1707., (This legal term simply means the situation as existed before the event). It was this – the existing state south of the Scottish/English Border was legally entitled, “The Kingdom of England”. It comprised three former independent royal realms and the legal system of all three was, until 1688, “The Divine Right of Kings”.

The English monarchy annexed, (not simply joined with), The Princedom of Wales in 1284 by the, “Statute of Rhuddlan”, after defeating the then Prince of Wales, see:

link to en.wikipedia.org

The English Monarchy also annexed all Ireland by, “The Crown of Ireland Act, 1542: see :-

link to en.wikipedia.org

The English tried to also annex Scotland but failed to do so. However, after the wrongly named, “Union of the Crowns”, of 1603, the Scottish King inherited the Crown of the three country Kingdom of England but as Scots law was NOT Divine Right of Kings, James Vi of Scotland could not legally annex the Kingdom of England and thus his designation was James I & VI of two, still independent, realms.

Then, in 1688, the English who were even then assuming they owned Scotland, deposed the monarch the shared with Scotland, (James II & VII). The English parliament imported King Billy & Queen Mary of Orange as joint monarchs but, (as the price of their monarchy), removed from them the royal veto over the English Parliament. Thus began what England still calls, “The Jacobite Rebellion”. However, you cannot rebel against a monarchy not your own and Scotland was still an independent Kingdom. This Scotland vs England war was to span the Treaty of Union, (1707), until 1745.

The 1688 importation of William & Mary also changed the law of the three country Kingdom of England into a Constitutional Monarchy but Scotland remained legally different as she still does today – in Scotland the people, and not either the parliament or the monarch, are legally sovereign.

This was part of the Treaty of Union and Scots law is still different. In Scotland neither Queen Elizabeth nor the Westminster Parliament are legally sovereign. The Professors whole theory is thus balderdash and he quotes English Law which does not apply in Scotland.

“Scotland, by contrast, would be a brand new state. The continuing UK would inherit all of the international legal obligations currently in place in respect of the UK, including its EU membership, its UN and NATO memberships, its seat at the Security Council, as well as treaty obligations under 14,000 different instruments of international law.”

So the above is utter pish – is anyone surprised?

“I thought that MANY (not all) International legal obligations / treaties and so on made from 1707 until now (such time as we become independent) would become null and void with Westminster having to renegotiate too ….. one of the main reason for the Unions opposition to Independence other than robbing us blind, Trident etc. Maybe someone like Robert (Peffers) could make sense of this.”

100% correct, Petra and if you read the links above re- the Statute of Rhuddlan, The Crown of Ireland Act, The Declaration of Arbroath, The English Glorious Revolution and the Treaty of Union the truth is very obvious.

“Just to let you know that Alex Salmond is on Scotland Tonight at 10:30pm. No doubt will be questioned about the recent poll / next Indyref.”

Thank you for that reference, Petra I’ll get my pal to record it for me. He often gets more use of my Blu=ray recorder than I do.

“PS I see that I made a right booboo in my last post. Meant to say highest level of poverty (”and lowest level of” educational attainment).”

Ach! We kent whit ye meant.

Grouse Beater

New poll states Scotland will vote overwhelmingly for independence if there was a second referendum.

Worth repeating:

link to grousebeater.wordpress.com

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@BDTT
I wouldn’t disagree with 3 months. I’m not sure what the requirements might be though, in terms of Electoral Commission, registration of parties and campaigning groups, checking over the question even if the same as last year’s, passing through Westminster and Holyrood, I guess I was hoping 6 moths for the lot! Which is perhaps a little optimistic all the same.

boris

O/T The second part of the article on Prof Adam Tomkins

link to caltonjock.com

Brian Powell

I would think Merkel is very worried if Catalonia becomes independent from Spain, Spain would collapse and need bailing out.

Catalonia is 15% of Spain’s population but 25% of it’s economy.

So the conversation between Merkel and the Spanish PM would focus on that, hence the threat.

yesindyref2

@Robert Peffers
The rUK can claim to be the cUK (Continuing UK) and probably be so de facto – unless challenged. Which would be messy and uncertain for iScotland, but also for the rUK.

Crawford & Boyle considered the 3 statuses of Scotland’s Independence, but, as per remit, dismissed the other two and proceeded on the basis of the rUK being the Continuing UK. Even if both rUK and Scotland accepted the rUK as the cUK it would have to be accepted internationally (which it probably would).

Unfortunately for the rUK this advice was not only published but endorsed by HMG in their very first “White” Paper, as pointed out by one of the SCFF (Scottish Constitutional Futures Forum) writers, which means it can be used against them, as it were. Which is why nobody sensible publishes their legal advice, or even if they’ve taken any (as per Salmond / EU).

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Jim McIntosh
Do you really think if there was a referendum in six months time we would win, we would have to convince over two hundred thousand Scots that had a valid reason to vote No, what polls has shown us is that opinion polls can get it wrong just look back at the west minster elections.

Robert Peffers

@yesindyref2 says: 2 September, 2015 at 8:19 pm:

“No mistake about that, so trying to crawl out from under the stone with “the lazy definition bitch “express displeasure grumble”” won’t work.”

Oh! Come on! Get real! Be fair – He specifically, if you will pardon the expression, fingered ONLY the, “lazy bitches”, among the teaching profession and for all we know the lazy ones referred to may indeed be all females. One thing I know is that I certainly don’t know.

CameronB Brodie

Re. the most recent pole and whether there is a discernible movement towards Yes. I’m no pollster but according to extensive poling and academic studies in the run-up to indyref, over 60% of Scots want ‘devo max’ powers, at least. Where are they to find satisfaction as Britain turns EVEL and Scotland is hamstrung by an insipid Scotland Bill?

Charles Edward

The measure of her verbosity should not be misunderestimated.
Perhaps the OED might consider the adjective Kezian?

yesindyref2

@Robert Peffers
Well no, he/she wasn’t specific at all, he/she implied all female teachers were lazy bitches and then reinforced it by “wither or not these teacher are up to the job which in my opinion most are not”. Note “most”.

Also when my perfectly reasonable posting about my daughter contradicted what he/she said, he/she threw a typical Jezerna style hissy fit and went after me on a personal level, rather than addressing the point.

Possibly an attempt to elicit teacher-denigrating postings supposedly in support of the Scottish Government, hence sowing seeds of discord and division.

Or just a “concern” troll, as in later postings “oh, ah, well, …”,

Gary45%

Watch out for even more lies and biased garbage from the unionist parties.
Remember last year, oil was on the decline in the build up to the referendum.

New fields have just been reported to the masses,( the details were kept quiet last year, to help sway the vote.)
The minute Westminster becomes aware the natives are getting restless again, they will do anything to try and scare the electorate.
We peaked in the poles one week too early last year.

galamcennalath

CameronB Brodie says:
“over 60% of Scots want ‘devo max’ powers, at least. Where are they to find satisfaction as Britain turns EVEL and Scotland is hamstrung by an insipid Scotland Bill?”

There is no Yes campaign active at present … Yet the latest poll seems firm evidence of a shift to Yes.

I would be very surprised if some of those moving are not folks who are disappointed that WM appears set to deliver DevoFA instead of their extensive referendum winning offers!

Or, the poll shows 50% consider EVEL sufficient reason to hold IndyRef2 as opposed to 41% motivated by Trident renewal. Cameron’s EVEL fiasco is not going down well. It may well have caused people to switch to Yes.

Or, it could be others who held out hope that Labour would win the GE in May. They now realise that we are in for at least five years of unbridled Tory excesses.

When campaigning for IndyRef2 does begin, WM are certainly supplying us with plenty of ammunition!

Robert Peffers

@Take Independence says: 2 September, 2015 at 9:41 pm:

“I think our best chance of changing the no voters minds is this in out referendum on the EU and hoping England pulls us out,then and only then will we stand a chance of achieving Independence.”

You think so?

My own feelings are that when the drastic cuts already in that great big sewerage pipeline that runs all the way from the Westminster Establishment’s cabinet room right into the very heart of the Scottish Parliament’s debating chamber.

The knock on effect of this will not only set the Scottish ling on fire but will see the old Scottish volcanic plugs erupt, casting a very large volcanic ash cloud over the entire Scottish landscape.

That reminds me, I’d best get the old claymore out of the thatch again and get the Phosphoric acid onto it.

Note: – in addition to being a chemical reagent, phosphoric acid has a wide variety of uses, including as a rust inhibitor., (it is also a main ingredient in a well known brand of Kola. Just think what it does to your insides).

Fireproofjim

Great that a poll puts Yes on 53% but ca canny. That was about the figure of the last poll before the referendum, and in a few days the vote came out at 45%, as the timid were scared off by Pproject Fear.
I would wait until several,polls agree that Yes is over 55%.
I also agree that the campaign should be short – 4 to 6 months, and that postal voting be confined to the unfit.
Otherwise I would like to see the re-opening of Yes offices in as many places as possible.
Oh! And Tommy Sheppard to head it up.

Robert Peffers

@Nana Smith says: 2 September, 2015 at 9:50 pm:

“A child’s body being carried up the beach and that bastard Cameron says no to refugees. No to helping people who are in dire need caused by the UK’s insatiable greed and lust for empire”.

You are not alone in that sentiment, Nana Smith. However, the figures for the numbers of disabled and sick people in the United Kingdom who have died a short time after being passed as fit for work in the UK also includes the parents of young children. Who will care for those orphaned kids in this cruel UK?

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yesindyref2
I have already made my self perfectly clear you seem to feel that a miscarriage of justice apon yourself when you made the refernce regarding your daughter if you fell I am lying or I am a so called troll by all means seek legal assitance with what has been said if you fell so strongly about this take the matter to a solicitor and lets sort this out I have provided my correct detail when I signed up from my small conversations with you seem to have a axe to grind.
“Well no, he/she wasn’t specific at all, he/she implied all female teachers were lazy bitches and then reinforced it by “wither or not these teacher are up to the job which in my opinion most are not”. Note “most”.

Also when my perfectly reasonable posting about my daughter contradicted what he/she said, he/she threw a typical Jezerna style hissy fit and went after me on a personal level, rather than addressing the point.

Possibly an attempt to elicit teacher-denigrating postings supposedly in support of the Scottish Government, hence sowing seeds of discord and division.

Or just a “concern” troll, as in later postings “oh, ah, well, …”,. I bet I’ll never hear any thing from you or your solicitor.

CameronB Brodie

galamcennalath
If you want to swank up your quotes, the HTML tags you need to bracket the quote in are [blockquote] and [/blockquote], replacing the square brackets with chevron thingies. It’s not obligatory though, or even expected. At least, I don’t think so. 😉

yesindyref2

@Take Independence says: “yatter yatter yatter”

Good grief.

CameronB Brodie

Robert Peffers
The ‘leaders’ of the ‘civilised’ world don’t want peace in the middle east. Though I would also wish for an improved response, I would still recognise it for the rank hypocrisy it would be.

Completely OT. The Black Vulture of the Americas, has such a robust digestive system that it enables the consumption of carrion infected with Bubonic plague and other nasty pathogens. Fastidiously clean animals though, apparently.

yesindyref2

@Fireproofjim – YES offices.

The SNP tried to distance themselves from the official YES campaign during the last Ref, and I think they were right to do so. Support for SNP was around 44%, not enough to get a YES especially as (from Ashcroft) 14% of SNP voters were NO voters. It had to get to the Labour voters.

I’m not convinced they need to do the same this time, it’ll be a different Ref from the last one, different circumstances with Labour voters down to 20%. I think this time they need to target also the conservative (small c) voters, the likes of the Wealthy Nation project which kept a low profile.

From that point of view the SNP have a lot of offices, though I’m not sure how many are constituency offices and therefore perhaps unusable for YES purposes.

The last YES campaign aimed at a warchest of something like £23 million but achieved anout £8 million, though YES offices were self-funded.

So what I’m trying to say, I have absolutely no idea! YES to YES offices, I guess.

scotspine

@ Take Independence.

For what it’s worth Private Independence, your grammar, spelling and punctuation are shite.

Your teachers obviously couldn’t grab your attention sufficiently.

Is that how you ended up in 77th Brigade? No other option because of an academic deficit?

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yesindyref2

Good grief. I could agree anymore lets all focus whats up ahead I want the same thing as everyone else on here a free Scotland.

Indigo

I now can’t go to the rally on the 19th due to my 8 yr old son getting an awesome musical educational opportunity via his primary school. Damn that Scottish education providing enriching opportunities that get in the way of my political interests…

I’ve complained about education issues regularly over the past 4 years, there are lots and lots of ways things could be improved, but for all it’s perceived failings a Scottish education is still amongst the best in the world.

Dr Jim

“It doesn’t matter how many polls there are”

Well yes it does, the First Ministers express words were exactly that

What she’s saying is if we keep shouting for it and the polls prove that we are then the people of Scotland have spoken
It’s like a big “HINT” saying C’mon people don’t leave it up to me to look like I’m forcing it on the country you’ve got to make it look like you demand it

It’s not as if we don’t have the ammunition Cameron’s in a vulnerable position now between The Refugees, The EU vote, Corbyn, The Scotland Bill Vow Promise Pledge Thing and now support for Independence at it’s highest ever

There’s not a EU Minister wants anything to do with Camerons behaviour at the moment he is Mr Unpopular with everybody

One last thing, how come the Labour party has got as much as 20% for Holyrood, that needs to come down

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Robert Peffers
Time will tell if you are correct I some how think that a lot of poeple wanted to vote yes but decided to vote No because of there financial circumstances like pensioners I need to make sure I get my wording right or I’ll be crucified I am not saying that pensioners where wrong voting No I just cant see how we can convince somone on a steady income to vote yes, when over two hundred thousand is a lot of poeple to convince in order to make up the numbers.

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Ruth Davidson pritty good with predictions lets ask her when the next Referendeum will be.

The Dog Philosopher

I have just seen the front page of tomorrow’s National and I feel shamed that I live in a country that voted to remain politically hinged to a domineering, jingoistic, right-wing neighbour that helped to destabilise the middle-east.

I also have a three-year-old grand-daughter. If she were to ask me about that front cover I would have to explain that there is nothing we can do, that decisions are made elsewhere, that we have no power to act. She might not quite understand.

But one day she will.

Jim McIntosh