The world's most-read Scottish politics website

Wings Over Scotland


Unionists ponder suicide pact

Posted on November 08, 2011 by

David Maddox in the Scotsman livens up a previously-slow news day with a report that Labour are preparing to team up with the Conservatives in the UK Parliament to force a Westminster-led referendum on Scottish independence. The article is short on solid quotes to contradict David Cameron's repeatedly-stated position that the referendum is a matter for the Scottish Parliament, relying instead on unnamed "sources", but if true it would be an astonishing development. None of the UK parties stood on a platform of holding a referendum – indeed, all three explicitly opposed the idea – so where they'd be conjuring a mandate to do such a thing from would be anyone's guess, whereas the SNP have an extremely clear one from the Scottish people to conduct the vote in the second half of the Holyrood parliamentary term.

Most observers on both sides of the debate agree that a Westminster-imposed referendum would be an enormously risky gamble for the Unionists, as Scottish voters are unlikely to take kindly to such a democratic trampling. But it may be that the three London-based parties sense a growing trend of support for a Yes vote – reflected in recent polls – and consider it less of a risk than waiting for three more years of brutal cuts to take effect and persuade Scots that they're better off away from Tory-led UK governments. Labour especially, though, would be dicing with death were they to collude in such a scheme. We shall see.

Comment - please read this page for comment rules. HTML tags like <i> and <b> are permitted. Use paragraph breaks in long comments. DO NOT SIGN YOUR COMMENTS, either with a name or a slogan. If your comment does not appear immediately, DO NOT REPOST IT. Ignore these rules and I WILL KILL YOU WITH HAMMERS.


  • About

    Wings Over Scotland is a thing that exists.

    Stats: 6,931 Posts, 1,244,671 Comments

  • Recent Posts

  • Archives

  • Categories

  • Tags

  • Recent Comments

    • Hatey McHateface on Wider Than A Mile: “Great post, Northy. But, assuming you’re not just making up words again, you haven’t explained how to pronounce the ‘?’…Jun 12, 19:11
    • Skip_NC on Response Level Upgrade: “Dan, I have lived in the USA for almost 25 years so I am not up to date on disabled…Jun 12, 19:00
    • Alf Baird on Response Level Upgrade: “Robin assumes Scots exist in a ‘normal’ political state where ‘honour’ and ‘democracy’ are the norm, and public inquiries will…Jun 12, 18:52
    • Dan on Response Level Upgrade: “Is there a distinction in law that toilets for the disabled are only to be used by those with a…Jun 12, 18:32
    • James Che on Wider Than A Mile: “If only one of the two parliaments to the 1707 treaty is dissolved that were to create the united kingdom…Jun 12, 18:11
    • Cynicus on Response Level Upgrade: “I really hope that more courteous response is not as good as it gets. Unfortunately, I think Robin McAlpine is…Jun 12, 17:52
    • Skip_NC on Response Level Upgrade: “Disabled toilets exist so that those who need to use them have the same opportunities in life as any other…Jun 12, 17:49
    • James Che on Wider Than A Mile: “Aiden, That may have been their intention, however after dissolving the Scottish parliament in the 1700s and then dissolving the…Jun 12, 17:45
    • 100%Yes on Response Level Upgrade: “Thank you.Jun 12, 17:40
    • crisiscult on Response Level Upgrade: “Becoming more and more rare, but great to see there are still folk out there like Roddie D. and that…Jun 12, 17:26
    • David Blake on Response Level Upgrade: “Trying to reconcile their earlier reply, Swinnet’s admission and the statement they had been advised.” There would be no further…Jun 12, 17:09
    • sarah on Response Level Upgrade: “The KC is none other than Roddy Dunlop, Dean of the Faculty of Advocates – the Rev named him in…Jun 12, 16:59
    • MaryB on Response Level Upgrade: “The SNP did a deal with the Greens to avoid a specific investigation into their own finances. Is it coincidental…Jun 12, 16:36
    • 100%Yes on Response Level Upgrade: “Sorry Sarah replied to you by mistake.Jun 12, 16:34
    • 100%Yes on Response Level Upgrade: “Lets be honest the SNP isn’t going to last as a political party, this is a fact. The party has…Jun 12, 16:17
    • robertkknight on Wider Than A Mile: “I think you’ll find the Irish have done very well out of EU membership. As technically did Scotland, in particular…Jun 12, 16:03
    • robertkknight on Response Level Upgrade: “If you need a crowdfunder for a Judicial Review sing out!Jun 12, 15:59
    • Oneliner on Response Level Upgrade: “I wouldn’t get too excited – it looks like a Cheyne letter to me.Jun 12, 15:52
    • Knuckle_Heid on Response Level Upgrade: “At least the Police have acknowledged it properly this time, that’s a small victory. Stu has basically done their work…Jun 12, 15:32
    • Captain Caveman on Wider Than A Mile: “@Northy You appear to have missed off the “… lengthy meaningless waffle on WoS BTL rather than say, spending time…Jun 12, 15:31
    • sarah on Response Level Upgrade: “Rev, whilst you have a KC at hand, could you ask him if anything can be done to remove an…Jun 12, 15:19
    • Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh on Wider Than A Mile: “MICHAEL FORAN – Lecture 2: SINGLE-SEX SPACES www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO3sdGmeZtU « Michael Foran is Associate Professor of Law and a Fellow of…Jun 12, 15:05
    • barelybare on Response Level Upgrade: “Very good. Don’t hold your breath waiting for similar from COPFS.Jun 12, 15:04
    • Northcode on Wider Than A Mile: ““No wonder you spend your whole time posting…” This comment thread: Northcode – comments: 4 (inc this one) AI Dan…Jun 12, 15:01
    • Sian Laidlaw on Response Level Upgrade: “This is the response you should have received for your first email Mr. Campbell. I am delighted Police Scotland have…Jun 12, 14:59
    • holymacmoses on Response Level Upgrade: “It’s football time. Jo will be rooting for Ingland:-)Jun 12, 14:36
    • Aidan on Wider Than A Mile: “But of course it wouldn’t be required by default, it would be a highly unusual and novel arrangement that would…Jun 12, 14:05
    • MP on Response Level Upgrade: “I can’t help wondering if the SNP let on privately during the investigation that the ‘ring fenced’ money had been…Jun 12, 14:04
    • James on Wider Than A Mile: “Poor Adrian. More to be pitied than scorned.Jun 12, 13:57
    • cirsium on Response Level Upgrade: ““Economic Crime Investigations” – I like the sound of that especially when I remember that criminals like Al Capone were…Jun 12, 13:56
  • A tall tale



↑ Top