The world's most-read Scottish politics website

Wings Over Scotland


Trust me, I’m a liar

Posted on February 13, 2012 by

This is Scottish Secretary Michael Moore in The Times (Saturday 11th February 2012, paywall link), in an interview widely interpreted as a pledge to move forward with greater devolution for Scotland should the country vote No to independence in 2014:

“The central point is to let Scotland decide whether it’s part of the part of the United Kingdom or not.  I’m confident it will say ‘we are’. Then we can work through the detail of what the next stages of devolution will be… The referendum is the start of the conversation, not the end.”


This, on the other hand, is Scottish Secretary Michael Moore, quoted by the Telegraph on the 22nd of December 2010 on the subject of the coalition government:

“Tuition fees [are] the biggest, ugliest, most horrific thing in all of this. I signed a pledge that promised not to do this. I’ve just done the worst crime a politician can commit, the reason most folk distrust us as a breed. I’ve had to break a pledge and very, very publicly, in what is a car crash, train wreck, whatever metaphor one wishes to put in terms of the politics of this, and it is deeply damaging to my party, to me individually and lots of others.”

Far be it from us to suggest that Mr Moore’s promises literally aren’t worth the paper they’re signed on. We don’t need to, because he’s just told you that himself. You’ll have to make your own mind up how far you trust him to deliver more powers to the Scottish Parliament if you decide to leave those powers in the hands of Westminster.

But when you’re doing that, be crystal clear on how things will stand in 2014 – a No vote is a vote for the status quo. Anything after that depends on the honesty of liars.

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

7 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Jen

I think people have seriously lost confidence in the lib dems as a political party.  Letting the students down in the way they did for power and a seat at the goverment table.   To believe in jam tomorrow is the biggest mistake the Scottish electorate can make as none of the parties will deliver.  Histroy shows that very well.
 
 

An Duine Gruamach

New headline: "Yes vote would win Scots all tax powers".  Hmmm.
 
Does anyone honestly think that London would ever devolve so much as control over toothpicks if the nuclear option of independence wasn't there?

Shodan

Everything you are saying makes sense, Stu, but it is hard not to expect the worst or believe that something like this could ever happen even if it seems like it is in reach. It's like winning the lottery. You don't really expect to win the jackpot with every ticket…

Mind, it's not like there haven't been many attempts before now, so it's got to be our time to win through. Hopefully people don't squander this chance due to fear or ignorance and vote "no".
 
I also hope that everyone  understands that there certainly will be consequences to a "no" vote if they end up going that way in majority. It won't be status quo or blow over. They will certainly start stripping powers and changing the rules over these things, just in case. There's no way the Scottish public or independence movement will get a chance to work from where they are now again in even another generation as so much will be changed before then to scupper it. People shouldn't think of the "yes" being the only one with consequences or changes.

Shodan

I also expect them to be jeering and taking full advantage to strip Scotland bare for a generation, secure in the knowledege they can keep pointing to the results of the vote to back them up. It will be brutal.

I can agree with almost all that has been written.I fear a no vote by trickery,like last time,just how they are going to do it is the big question.Really please don't blow it as I don't think I'll last another 30 years or so.

Jen

I agree with many commenters here.  A no vote is invitation to remove free education, privatise the NHS and ensure econonic hell for those residing in Sccotland for the next 60 years or more. 
 
This is our chance.  Hail alba


  • About

    Wings Over Scotland is a (mainly) Scottish political media digest and monitor, which also offers its own commentary. (More)

    Stats: 6,679 Posts, 1,205,135 Comments

  • Recent Posts

  • Archives

  • Categories

  • Tags

  • Recent Comments

    • Geri on Trump’s Card: “Besides all the wars the US has started & lost how many have died from illegal sanctions? You’ll be aware…Dec 15, 01:28
    • Geri on Trump’s Card: “Not according to it’s own charter. One country in particular will soon be asked to leave. It only turns up…Dec 15, 01:10
    • gregor on Trump’s Card: “Northern Genocide: Genesis, Vol. 666: Soul Dystopia: “…the same life in a lie I’m feeling, I’m screaming, deep inside I’m…Dec 15, 00:42
    • Geri on The New Britain: “No they aren’t. I dunno how many times I’ve to say it but the gender bullshit is a directive from…Dec 15, 00:38
    • Mark Beggan on Trump’s Card: “They’ve been making an arse of the UN eversince the UN began. That’s what it’s for.Dec 15, 00:25
    • gregor on Trump’s Card: “In fact, the dark side can’t stop exposing itself… #BrightDarksidEejitDec 14, 23:56
    • gregor on Trump’s Card: “The Alan Parsons Project: Turn of a Friendly Card “There are unsmiling faces and bright plastic chains And a wheel…Dec 14, 23:30
    • Mark Beggan on Trump’s Card: “That’s right Geri you just one big Shit Kicker.Dec 14, 23:30
    • gregor on Trump’s Card: “On the bright side, I’m nothing special and WEF (Old World Order) will be crying and extremely unhappy with itself…Dec 14, 23:15
    • gregor on Trump’s Card: “Donald Trump Jr. @DonaldJTrumpJr: “Apparently a large group of Democrat legislators plan to boycott my father’s inauguration, which is great…Dec 14, 22:10
    • Geri on Trump’s Card: “Aye cause we can be forgiven & that tosser can’t. I watched a video ad for this organisation a while…Dec 14, 22:07
    • gregor on Trump’s Card: “satan is the dumbest fuck of all time – The diabolical freak is terrified of humans: #HeavenlysatanDiapersDec 14, 21:51
    • Geri on Trump’s Card: “I wonder why they were colonised for centuries then? You’ve been at the Christmas crackers haven’t you? Fun fact but…Dec 14, 21:44
    • Geri on Trump’s Card: “The Swiss have gone full tonto. It’s the NATO membership doctrine. All laws must now be rewritten to accommodate one…Dec 14, 21:31
    • gregor on Trump’s Card: “Luke Garfield: Yes You Are: Yes You Are: “You spoke the stars Into existence You gave the laws of gravity…Dec 14, 21:21
    • Geri on Trump’s Card: “WEF Where Satan gathers his wealthy minions to discuss ways to fuck up the lives of the poor..Dec 14, 21:20
    • Mark Beggan on Trump’s Card: “The success of the AK. Is in its design. It can operate under the most extreme conditions. In an enclosed…Dec 14, 21:10
    • gregor on Trump’s Card: “World Economic Forum: 75 years of NATO: The North Atlantic Treaty Organization explained: ‘We stand with you in your courageous…Dec 14, 21:01
    • Hatey McHateface on Trump’s Card: “Maybe naebody kens fit a repocussion is, Geri. Could it be some kind of replica soft thing you sit on…Dec 14, 21:00
    • Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh on Trump’s Card: “Dr John Campbell’s broadcast today (‘The Banality of Evil’) highlights this powerful quote by CS Lewis: “The greatest evil is…Dec 14, 20:59
    • Geri on Trump’s Card: “I can’t for the life of me think who was responsible for that.. You must be delighted they’ve emptied all…Dec 14, 20:57
    • Captain Caveman on Trump’s Card: “Still waiting. /tumbleweedDec 14, 20:56
    • Hatey McHateface on Trump’s Card: “It’s certainly a great favourite of the chief Orc himself, poot. He said it’s: ”a symbol of the creative genius…Dec 14, 20:50
    • Geri on Trump’s Card: “Well isn’t that strange? The ICJ ruled that countries had to cease & desist supplying weapons to aid in gen-ocide.…Dec 14, 20:32
    • Hatey McHateface on The Wage Thief: “So you believe protesters “dress up” to protest? My, my, Geri, who could ever accuse you of being “boring”! Get…Dec 14, 20:30
    • Mark Beggan on Trump’s Card: “Down Among The Big Boys.Dec 14, 20:24
    • Mark Beggan on Trump’s Card: “The AK-47 is the African way of doing business.Dec 14, 20:23
    • Geri on Trump’s Card: “Aye, she says she’s not leaving. WTF do they find these mentalists?Dec 14, 20:16
    • gregor on The Wage Thief: “The Sherbs: The Skill: I Have The Skill: “I have the spirit, I’ll never be broken… W?ll maybe you think…Dec 14, 20:04
    • Hatey McHateface on Trump’s Card: “Syria is already a war torn failed state. Inexplicable you couldn’t have noticed, Ros, but maybe there’s no media in…Dec 14, 20:03
  • A tall tale



↑ Top
33
0
Would love your thoughts, please comment.x
()
x