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Posted on August 15, 2013 by

We were very proud of a terrific performance from Scotland at Wembley last night, in a highly entertaining friendly the national side was unlucky to lose due to a couple of lapses in concentration at set pieces. We also greatly enjoyed the tremendous atmosphere created by both sets of fans, which we read about in the Daily Mail:

It seemed the days of booing national anthems had passed. But old habits die hard against the Auld Enemy so Flower of Scotland got the treatment and God Save the Queen was booed in response. Pretty unsavoury all round.”

And also in the Scottish Daily Mail:

“The sing-off was generally good-natured but the Scottish contingent let themselves down badly at the start as a cacophony of boos drowned out God Save The Queen after respect was afforded Flower Of Scotland.”

Wait, what?


(As an aside, we generally deplore the booing of away team anthems as boorish and disrespectful and counter-productive. However, we make an exception for Scotland vs England games. The two nations have spent much of their history at war one way or another, and we can hardly recall experiencing anything more thrilling and funny and theatrical in sport than the Euro 2000 playoffs, where first God Save The Queen at Hampden, and then Flower Of Scotland at Wembley, were rendered completely inaudible by deafening waves of boos, whistles and jeers from the home fans. It was a glorious spectacle both times, adding greatly to the sense of occasion, and was a wholly sporting phenomenon, with no ugly scenes at or outside either game.)

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  1. ronald alexander mcdonald says:

    Slightly OT. “We’d rather have a panda than a prince” sang the Tartan Army. Brilliant!

  2. Chic McGregor says:

    One for the dossier.

  3. mogatrons says:

    Is it the same reporter credited for both? … that would be the cherry on top.

  4. John Lyons says:

    I mentioned the phenomenon of things that have to have Scottish at the start of thier name to prove they’re actualy Scottish to one of the lads at work the other day and was saying how that’s a dead give away that they’re not really Scottish. You know, Scottish Conservatives, Scottish Sun, Scottish Labour and the like.

    Whereas real Scottish institutions don’t, like The Daily record, the Scotsman, The Herald. (You can dislike them if you want, but they are at least genuinely Scottish hence they don’t feel the need to put the nation in thier name.) You don’t get the English Daily Mail or the English Sun, because everyone knows without being told they are English papers. The conversation was going very well until he said “What about the Scottish National Party?”
    I had to mutter and mumble about the exception that proves the rule.
    The Scottish Daily Mail isn’t really Scottish. Were the two articles by the same Journalist?

  5. beachthistle says:

    Anybody would think the ‘Scottish’ Daily Mail has an agenda!
    During a twitter exchange with one of their Scottish hacks last weekend, he said I would have to read the paper to see how much of their print-edition indyref related stories make it onto the Mail online site. Well, I was able to get hold of all of the previous weeks’ editions from an elderly neighbour. I haven’t gone through them all yet, but the score so far is 0. Anybody would think that they are trying to keep their indy-ref outpourings under the internet scrutiny radar!

  6. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    There’s no credit on the Scottish DM piece. It’s a small boxout on a double-page spread.

  7. John Lyons says:

    Jeezo, I clicked that link to the Mail online. That’s not a story, it’s a photo gallery with tag lines. My kids could do better with a pair of scissors and a pritt stick!

  8. Arbroath 1320 says:

    I heard about the “new” panda song last Ronald as well as “you can shove your royal baby up yer e****” 😆
    Nice to see the “Scottish” Daily Fail doing its best to put down the Tartan Army…..and FAILING! Just a pity they didn’t read the tweet I saw last night from a woman who was traveling on the tube after the match last night. She compared both sets of fans, the English fans made her feel terrified that she was about to be attacked whilst the Tartan Army were real gents, her words not mine. She also seemed to enjoy the banter amongst the Tartan Army and the songs they were singing. Now you can call me biased but I’d rather give my full support to the Tartan Army ANY day of the week before supporting England fans who made a single woman feel scared to travel in her home town! 
    Here’s a link to the Daily Fail I got on Twitter last night, unfortunately it does not have some photos that I think were really entertaining, namely the photos of Trafalgar Square’s fountain AFTER it had been “cleansed” by the Tartan Army. By “cleansed” I am of course referring to the “incident” where some washing up liquid was “accidentally” spilt into the fountain. 😆

  9. Jiggsbro says:

    before supporting England fans who made a single woman feel scared to travel in her home town!
    I think being scared to travel is a default position in that London.

  10. handclapping says:

    I’m not sure about all these earpieces. It may affect your hearing as is possible in this case, but having a director whispering in your ear certainly affects the reporting, on the BBC in particular.

  11. Andy-B says:

    Not surprised one little bit by the DM’s bias….probably because there was only one arrest (No story their then) and it was for drunken nakedness in the Trafalgar fountain.
    To see a YES placard stuck right on the head of a lion monument in the heart of London, fair cheered me up, personaly I cant abide the”God save the Queen ” anthem, unless its the Sex Pistols version.

  12. AberdeenLoon says:

    @ronald alexander mcdonald
    Slightly OT. “We’d rather have a panda than a prince” sang the Tartan Army. Brilliant!
    Fantastic haha

  13. Dcanmore says:

    It’s the sheer level of dishonesty they have reserved for the people in Scotland that gets me. At least, I suppose, the Daily Fail are only preaching to the converted (96,000 daily circulation and counting down).
    So now it’s the Tartan Army for demonisation.

  14. Vronsky says:

    Reminds me of complaints a few years ago that Scottish fans at an international  7s tournament in Murrayfield had booed the England team whenever it appeared.  BBC attempted a live vox pop on this, to be told by a bemused French fan – no, everybody booed the England team!  Microphone suddenly cut off.
    On a couple of occasions I’ve met people who were part of events or incidents (not political) and later read accounts in the newspapers.  They were mystified – they knew that that wasn’t what happened.  Sometimes they had been inteviewed only to discover that words had been attributed to them that they never uttered.  These people now treat the press with, shall we say, caution.  It’s happened to me too, but then I never expected anything else.
    So, on the credit side (my glass is always half full) there would have been Mail readers at the game who will be a little nonplussed at that second description of events, and consequently a little doubtful of what they see in the papers. Good.

  15. pmcrek says:

    Loved the comment from a tweeter who said we won on Goals per Capita! xD

  16. Arbroath 1320 says:

    Forgot to mention in my last post about the lions at Trafalgar square being covered in YES 2014 posters and that there was plenty of YES paraphernalia being circulated amongst the Tartan Army in Trafalgar Square. Oh and did anyone else see the fans at, yes Trafalgar Square, with their banner made up of Saltires and Catalan flags with “Glasgow says YES” across it?
    Congratulations to the Tartan Army and their frontal assault on the lies, deceit and misinformation from MSM and BBC.
    Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that despite all the lies, deceit and misinformation being spurted out by the MSM/BBC etc the REAL message IS getting out there and we WILL win in September 2014?

  17. Training Day says:

    Arbroath. is there a link to the photos of YES on the lions in Trafalgar Square?  Can’t see anything in your Daily Heil link.

  18. Juteman says:

    I was told at work today that the naked bather was a fellow Dundonian. 🙂
    He was released before the match.

  19. Seasick Dave says:

    Passing through CDG Airport in 1998 when the World cup was on, we heard exuberant French cheers coming out of a bar.
    Thinking that the French had scored I popped my head in the bar to find out the score only to find that Germany had conceded against Croatia!

  20. Macart says:

    We’ll be comin’
    2015 Hampden… THE REVENGE. 🙂

  21. heraldnomore says:

    Photos of Yes Trafalgar were on HuffPo yesterday, and linked then

  22. Seasick Dave says:

    I suppose he found the Mr Matey 🙂

  23. Arbroath 1320 says:

    Sorry TD I don’t have a link just read about it on twitter last night before the game. I wish someone would put up a photo THAT would be brilliant. 😆

  24. Training Day says:

    Cheers mate, excellent stuff!

  25. Vincent McDee says:

    Enough negativity!

    Just relax and let your bumps get all goussy.

  26. Dramfineday says:

    Great Article, great comments and all things considered, not a bad performance either. Well done Ricky Lambert – a great header to win it (and I wish you played for us).

  27. Chic McGregor says:

    Hope by then they’d found his bisht.

  28. Chic McGregor says:

    Thought MacGregor was off form.  Most decent keepers would have had at least a 50:50 on each goal and apart from that he hardly held on to a ball all night.  One decent save though.

  29. Doug says:

    The conversation was going very well until he said “What about the Scottish National Party?”
    I would say that it is indeed different because it is a distinct entity, as opposed to a branch trying to distinguish itself from the larger English/British neighbour (see SLAB etc)

  30. sneddon says:

    John Lyon- to identify any publically traded organisation as ‘scottish’ is only true if they are owned wholly by shareholders in ScotlaTo claim any compnany is ‘scottish’ especially the examples you mentioned is just plain wrong.   The companiesyou mention `retrading in the UK otherwise, paying tax to the Treasury in London and regulated within the UK regulatory framework.  My mum’s cafe was a scottish cafe, run in Scotland operated by scottish staff(mum and gran) (I won’t mention to whom she paid tax) 🙂

  31. Neil MacGillivray says:

    I wonder why the Unionists including the Press and BBC do not take (for them)  the entirely logical step of pleading for a Team GB to replace the anomalous and ianachronistic situation with non nations such as ScotLand, Wales, England and Ni competing internationally! I am unable to suggest this on their website having been banned for pointing out certain errors in their logic – politely expressed opposing views do not please them.

  32. Murray McCallum says:

    FOUND in translation.  Sorry if you have seen on Bella Caledonia regarding Lord Foulkes but it is funny.

  33. Neil MacGillivray says:

    Foulkes is a buffoon and has been since he was SRC Presdient at Edinburgh University 50 years ago!

  34. Iain says:

    But weren’t the Scottish crowd boo-ing their OWN official anthem. Don’t we still have to keep that one for another 400 days?
    And if so, its OUR anthem we were boo-ing and we can do what we want to it.
    When it is no longer OUR official anthem then we will show more respect (probably).
    I still think it more bizarre that in an international of this nature both teams don’t have their own anthem. Why does England have to use a SHARED one?  Surely there is a tune/song that is specifically English to stand to, or a special one could be written for them?
    Maybe the Mail should be thinking out the box a wee bit. What was the percentage of Scots fans boo-ing and if that percentage translates into #yes votes, what is the likely outcome?

  35. gordoz says:

    Edinburgh news story  – Magic
    cheers Chic McG

  36. gordoz says:

    Speaking of the great Balloon
    Can anyone name all our political Peers (per party)
    Any ideas for what to do with them after independence?
    Its just like the Pandas & that, they are endangered after all and our responsibility: Edinburgh Zoo 
    (Comedy value? or would they scare the kids?)

  37. Chic McGregor says:

    Another thing lost in translation is this interesting url, try it and you will see what I mean:

    P.S. Don’t accept the cookies.

  38. beachthistle says:

    As I said above I am trawling through week-old Daily Fails to see what they are saying off-line in their less-monitored print edition indyref propaganda and spin. If I could do it in real-time I would, but I travel out of Scotland a lot for my work, so can’t commit to doing more than a retrospective review…but will keep up with that in the meantime unless there is a volunteer out there who can do it in real-time?

    This goes back to a comment/suggestion I made a few weeks ago: that some of us on here could help Rev Stuart to monitor ‘everything’, by getting organised, by divvying up each MSM title/station to one of us (each a willing volunteer of course) to keep an eye on and comment on/feed stuff to Rev Stuart.

    I’ve just been doing a bit of that on twitter at the moment re BBCScotland/HeeHaw Newsdrive: the presenter called the delegation of Scottish government civil servants that went to NATO the “SNP delegation”*. Half an hour later, when interviewing a representative of Scottish senior citizens, she spoke over him and cut him off when he started talking about why he is going to vote Yes: “We’ll come to that in a minute” she said. And then, er, didnt…

    So, over to the rest of you – anybody up for volunteering to do some crowd-source-esque style media monitoring?  At least one volunteer to read/listen to an MSM title/programme so the rest of us don’t have to? And to help/take some of the pressure off Rev Stuart!?

    *Stop press!  The BBC Newsdrive presenter (Laura Maxwell) just made an on-air apology and correction about the “SNP delegation” slip because of my twitter comment!

  39. Morag says:

    Another thing lost in translation is this interesting url, try it and you will see what I mean:
    Oh, not a 404, it’s a 500!

  40. gordoz says:

    How did that Happen – dirty tricks again ??

  41. scotty says:

    conservative friends of the union???jesus god above 

  42. Chic McGregor says:

    Dunno.  Some form of skulduggery.  Obama’s boys?
    Electoral Commission be interested?
    Someone on NNS comments posted it.

  43. Chic McGregor says:

    Try it again, I got that first time.
    But note cookie warning above.

  44. Murray McCallum says:

    Chic McGregor / gordoz
    I guess they bought the license to use that URL?  What would be interesting is when they bought it.  If it was after the Yes campaign was launched then it does seem rather misleading and dishonest.  But then again, what do we expect from these people!

  45. gordoz says:

    Tried to let YES Campaign know but doubt if they’ll see facebook comment and couldn’t get through on the phone,
    Does anybody have a contact to let them know

  46. scotty says:

    just asked our conservative “friends” to explain this anomally on their faceache page!!eagerly awaiting reply. :/

  47. Doug says:

    Anent the false URL:

  48. Chic McGregor says:

    Found the following info on
    Registrar: 123Reg/Webfusion

    This domain is provided by 123-reg. We’re the UK’s largest
    registrar with over 3 million domains sold. We also provide
    cheap, easy website creation.

    Domain Name: YES-SCOTLAND.COM
    Creation Date: 2012-09-28
    Expiry Date: 2013-09-28
    Registrant Name: Identity Protection Service
    Registrant Company: Identity Protect Limited
    Registrant Address: PO Box 795
    Registrant Address: Godalming
    Registrant Address: Surrey
    Registrant Address: GU7 9GA
    Registrant Address: GB
    Administrative Name: Identity Protection Service
    Administrative Company: Identity Protect Limited
    Administrative Address: PO Box 795
    Administrative Address: Godalming
    Administrative Address: Surrey
    Administrative Address: GU7 9GA
    Administrative Address: GB
    Administrative Email:
    Administrative Tel: +44.1483307527
    Administrative Fax: +44.1483304031
    Technical Name: Identity Protection Service
    Technical Company: Identity Protect Limited
    Technical Address: PO Box 795
    Technical Address: Godalming
    Technical Address: Surrey
    Technical Address: GU7 9GA
    Technical Address: GB
    Technical Email:
    Technical Tel: +44.1483307527
    Technical Fax: +44.1483304031

  49. Boorach says:

    Re I have sent email to the genuine YesScotland

  50. Holebender says:

    Oh come on guy! How many times have “cybernats” grabbed one of the enemy’s potential URLs to deny them the use of it, or spoofed a Unionist site? All’s fair, and all that.

  51. Boorach says:

    @ Holebender
    citation required

  52. Taranaich says:

    So we have two papers, one for each country, both part of an ostensible political union. One paper says both teams booed each other’s national anthem, the other said only one team did, with the other one “afforded respect.” What kind of Bizarro-world is it when the country which says the nation which engaged in such boorish behaviour was their own? In just about any other rational situation you could conceive a country trying to score jingo points by saying their country was respectful while the other nations’ was impolite. In what other country would the opposite be the case?
    It just… It completely blows my mind.

  53. scottish_skier says:

    It just… It completely blows my mind.
    Yes, I’ve seen some shite from the Mail, but whoever wrote this is a complete fuckwit. 

  54. Ghengis says:

    I wouldn’t worry about that URL. Any numbers of similar domains can be purchased on both sides. I’m sure our side did something similar, but maybe not .com or whatever it is. (Who reads that crap anyway :))

  55. Erchie says:

    I know there is a mistaken URL you can type looking for NNS that takes you to BT’s site

  56. Alabaman says:

    Would that all these Scottish supporters were “YES” men, but sadly,I am reminded of Jim Sillers remark Of “90 minute patriots”

  57. Dave mcEwan Hill says:

    Exactly. God save the Queen is NOT the English national anthem.
    It is the British national anthem and for England to use it assumptive arrogance.
    They can keep it though

  58. Chic McGregor says:

    “I wouldn’t worry about that URL. Any numbers of similar domains can be purchased on both sides. I’m sure our side did something similar, but maybe not .com or whatever it is. (Who reads that crap anyway )”
    I would sincerely hope that is not the case.  If it is, I think I might be even more angry than with the above example, since it would be no big surprise in their case really, leopards and spots etc.

  59. David Halliday says:

    Iain’s right. The booing of God Save the Queen was originally because it was being  played as OUR anthem. We weren’t booing anyone else’s. That was booing beyond any moral criticism. Personally, I think it’d be better to treat England’s exactly the same as everyone else’s and clap it at the end. That’d mess with their minds.

  60. Jamie Arriere says:

    I’d rather have a panda
    Than a’ yir propaganda
    I’d rather have a panda than a prince!

  61. Ben says:

    To me, now I am a unionist mind, I think the fact we can all have a good old boo at each other at football games shows why we should stick it together. 

    Question for you pro-independence lot then – and I genuinely wanna know your answers – I have a grandparent from Ireland, Scotland, Wales n England. Because of that, I’m a Brit – through and through. What happens to us if you leave? You are my brothers and sisters, what do I call my country without Scotland as a part of it?

  62. Silverytay says:

           I am in much the same boat as yourself , most of my relations are English and the rest reads like the U.N but I will be voting YES .   There is nothing I can do to help my English relatives but I can help ensure a brighter future for my son’s & grandchildren .
    Your country will still be there after we vote YES , it is not going to float away into the North Sea or the Atlantic .
    It is just that we will be Scottish first and British second as we will still be staying on the land mass that is known as the British Isles and has been known as that since Roman times  .

  63. Morag says:

    Ben, it’s not at all unusual to have grandparents from several different countries.  It just so happens that at the moment the countries yours come from are in a political union, but it also just so happens that that might be about to change.
    What if your grandparents were from France?  Or Poland?  Or Australia?  Would you somehow want to see all these as a sort of uniform “my country”?  Of course not.  You’d be used to the fact that you have grandparents from several countries, that’s all.  You say you have a grandparent from Ireland.  Well, unless you mean NI, then you already have a part of your heritage from outside the UK.
    Where do YOU feel at home?  The majority in Britain these days identify with their country, not the state.  They’re English, or Scottish, or whatever.  If you were born and brought up in England, what’s wrong with an English identity?  Or if in Scotland, likewise?  The entire world isn’t going to enter into a political union just because lots of people have grandparents from across various borders.

  64. Morag says:

    In the same vein, Ben, imagine if you were Norwegian, but happened to have grandparents from Sweden, Denmark and Finland.  Would that be so terrible?  Would you be upset because these countries weren’t in a political union?  Would you feel bad about identifying yourself as Norwegian?  Would a secondary layer of Scandinavian identity not sit well with you?

  65. Onzebill says:

    O/T Did the Yorkshire chap (currywurst??) who was going to provide positive reasons to stay in the Union ever do so, apologies if I’ve missed his post.
    @Morag 07.46 & 9.27 Well said superbly put.

  66. gordoz says:

    Ben :
    You would call your country England
    and the good folks to the north over the border will still be your bros/sisters cousins, friends  neighbours  anything you like; up for games of football or rugby.
    We’ll just be in the next garden so to speak.
    Well even play golf together for Europe.
    What do you call the Irish at the moment ? 

  67. gordoz says:

    Currywurst ?
    Dont request more from that hotdog.

  68. Morag says:

    I think Currywurst (who was probably Duncan Hothersall) may have been banned.

    The person who was going to do the “positive reasons” thing was Captain Caveman.  Although he trolled a bit when he first came here, he’s been behaving well recently and seems quite sincere.  He spoke of doing an article, and I think he takes it seriously enough to want to do a good job.  He may also be finding it harder than he thought it would be.

    Patience, grasshopper.

  69. gordoz says:

    Currywurst = Duncan Hothersall Now that makes sense
    Good to catch out the Cyberloyalists because the press say they dont exist.

  70. Onzebill says:

    Captain Caveman it was Thanks Morag I will hang fire and bate my breath

  71. Taranaich says:

    Question for you pro-independence lot then – and I genuinely wanna know your answers – I have a grandparent from Ireland, Scotland, Wales n England. Because of that, I’m a Brit – through and through. What happens to us if you leave?
    Nothing. Nothing happens. Nothing changes. Ending a political union does not mean your grandparents from Scotland will somehow become “different” in the event of Scottish independence. The thing is, you’ll STILL be a “Brit, through and through,” because you were born during a time when the UK still existed. Likewise your grandparents. So, again, nothing would change. Independence wouldn’t retroactively make you non-British: it’s not like some sort of annulment of identity.

  72. NorthBrit says:

    @Ghengis @Chic McGregor

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