Wings Over Scotland

The symbol of the crown that Scots are not answerable to.
The crown’s anthem that body’s of suppressing the Scots
The crown that represents England before Scotland
The crown that takes our resources and then we subsidise them.

If that bloody mace represents the UK parliament than I expect it to be
Cut in half so that Scotland takes its share on Independence Day.

We paid for it.

Next time throw the damn thing in the Thames.

Should have used the Mace to cleave the bastards with their own petard.

But aside, what are we doing down there?

Aye, Cairns!

I thought the real goal was to remove our MP’s not the English parliamentary mace this might impress some people but it doesn’t impress me. A stunt by the SNP which to distract us all from the real reason why we sent 48 SNP MP’s to Westminster to remove Scotland from the union. I really can’t see why people are blind to the fact that the SNP have had it in its power to protect Scotland from the leaving the EU to the Internal Markets bill but have chosen to pass that sovereignty back to Westminster and called it the Gold standard.

Someone needs to pick the mace up in Scot Parly if Humza`s Hate Thought Bill goes through.

England is like a bowl of onion soup. The UK is onion soup with croutons added.

Unionists can call it something different but it’s still basically onion soup.

I’d rather be my own sandwich than just decorative bits in someone else’s lunch.

The MPs are put in their seats by the constituents, not by England MPs, the speakers or the “custodians” of the UK parliament, I don’t care how many swords they carry.

With this in mind, I believe it is a blatant abuse of power for any England MP, I don’t care in what position they are or how many plums they have in their mouths to sound posh, to “suspend” an MP from Scotland.

No England MP has any right to deny the constituents of Scotland representation in Parliament. As far as any England MP is concerned, that Scottish MP was speaking on behalf of his constituents and they have no right to tell those constituents they are wrong, never mind punish them without representation. Who are they do do so?

It is not for England MPs to decide “the rules” of a parliament that is as much England’s as it is Scotland’s. It is for the representatives of Scotland and England, together, to decide those rules.

I think this “suspension” should be fought in the courts, as it is at all practical effects, an unlawful way to deny a whole constituency in Scotland representation in the UK parliament just for saying aloud what many of us in Scotland are thinking.

The idea that touching a stupid, ugly artefact that most of the UK electorate would not give a sht about is any more important in a parliamentary democracy than ensuring representation of each and every one of the constituencies of the UK is as absurd as it is abusive.

This is just another blatant example where England MPs self-appoint themselves to a position of power over Scotland to deny Scotland’s constituents representation in the UK parliament. That is completely unacceptable. They are Scotland’s MPs equals, not above them and most certainly are not above Scotland.

Muscleguy @9.55am.

Thank you for that reply, I see British nationalist George Galloway also had to change the name of his unionist party for next years Holyrood elections from Alliance for Unity to, all for Unity, he too is waiting on the EC’s considerations.

@ Muscleguy

I’m behind the ISP 100% and it’s my intention to persuade as may people as I can to vote for them next year I think I’ve persuaded a few people already but it’s a drop in the ocean,

How do they get the message out to the general population, the D’Hondt system isn’t really that complicated but it’s not that simple either, it does take some explaining and getting people to listen while you try to explain it is like pissing against the wind.

Whilst I sympathise somewhat with Andy wightman, he’s part of the reason I walked away from the greens. Not long after winning his own court case (to which I donated) he joined in the pile-on on Alex Salmond after he was found not guilty by the same court system. After he publically fawned over Danni Garavelli’s ‘retrial’ article about the salmond case I stopped funding the party. It was the final straw on top of a number of other things.

Their latest behaviour means they won’t get my vote. They are no real help to the biosphere and have massively under achieved. How Harvie is still there is beyond me.

Sorry for being O/T so early but I may have stumbled on a possible reason why so many young people are experiencing Mental Health issues Which in some manifests itself as a desire to be the opposite biological sex, it could be down to Diet perhaps Fast Foods?
I am a contributor to the Zoe Covid-19 symptom study group , today I was reading some info on how diet can improve the Immune System with a Good diet giving you good gut microbes which in turn is good for your immune system.
The article said this “ A healthy gut microbiome may protect you against many health conditions, including metabolic diseases, digestive disorders, and even mental health problems. Your gut microbiome also affects how your body breaks down and responds to different foods. ”
So its possibly not Big Pharma but Big Mac’s!

Effijy
Great to see that you’re a Daily Mail reader.
You obviously love Littlejohn who has a big spread today.
Anyway, rather than keep spouting your usual rubbishy sound bites,why not listen to the great interview between Andrew Neil and Andrew Wilson about the SG’s plans for independence. Remember Wilson headed up the Growth Commission and recommended sterllingisation.
Very articulate and informative debate.
You should then follow the twitter debate between Neil and Tim Rideout who espouses a completely opposite approach by espousing our own currency and certainly NOT rejoining the EU.
You might learn something and enable you to come up with something useful rather than your daily rants, albeit they probably make you feel a little better.
Anyway, have a nice Saturday.

@Hatuey
Me neither, after a minute or two considering it I Thought maybe it’s mr Cairns’ yellow submarine moment.

At least Drew Hendry did something as opposed to SNP MPs just saying something.

Britnat Westminster continues to hold Scotland and its people with utter contempt. SNP MPs and the rest of us should reciprocate. Westminster is a rotting carcass; Scotland must escape from it before the stench overwhelms us. Let England writhe amongst the maggots.

Breeks, very well said at 9:16 am.

“It is better to die on your feet than live forever on your knees.”

Hatuey @ 12.24. To understand the cartoon you have to read the small print, and realise – I presume – that what the hand is about to grasp is NOT the Westminster (English tradition’s) mace but the (Scottish, traditional) thistle.

The hand going for it is not primarily Drew Hendry’s last week. Rather, it is ours – the hand of all of us – at last coming for the thistle, to clutch and grasp it and pick it up, maybe where Drew H’s hand left off the mace the other day.

So, his action was just a signal to all of us to do what the cartoon’s headline says we should do: ‘GRASP the Thistle’. Pick it up; don’t just leave it lying there! In other words, time to get off our backsides and get moving, really moving, on Scotland’s cause. Not just talking about it – TIME for ACTION.

‘TIME TO GRASP THE THISTLE’

A bit dangerous, of course: you could cut yourself in quite a few places doing that. A thorny thing, a thistle.

Which brings me to reading the small (and not so small) print. Something the posters don’t seem to be doing. What do you think those printed messages are, if not the thorns currently sticking out of the thistle? Like wounds that have grown out the way from within, or have been plunged into her (the thistle) from without.

Whatever the case, they are things that make us bleed, and certainly will do if we pick it up.

My eyes are not strong enough for (some of) that small print. It’s like being at the optician’s for an eye test and you can’t read the bottom line, or even the line above it sometimes. Others with sharper eyes that mine might be able to supply the information. Some of the bigger letters I can make out, and here is what they say:

BREXIT (on the orb, underneath the cross): Now there’s a mighty thorn, if ever there was one.

There might even be a nice wee pun here – on the ‘REX’ inside the ‘B.REX.IT’. Maybe the REX is being portrayed as no small thorn in our side as well, whether the ‘REX’ is indeed referring to the reigning monarch herself or, as might be better, to OLD KING BORIS (that not-so-merry old soul) himself.

The next bit my own old eyes can read, lying horizontally along the bit of the crown that is staring us straight in the face, is the following very clear message (which, despite its clarity, no one had commented on when I started writing this post):

SECTION 30 RIP: Grasping the thistle in this regard means killing off that hoary old Section 30 diversion stone dead. RIP, indeed – and don’t you dare get up again. Section 30 is a hoax: it ought to be shown up for the total irrelevance that it really is, and discarded NOW, once and for all.

The next and – alas – the last bit I am still able to read, stretches vertically along the ‘face’ or ‘cup’ into which the four ‘arms’ of the crown are lodged. Again, no one was commenting on it when I started writing this, but the message is loud and clear, though this time it’s not a thorn damaging us but a factor encouraging us to get on with the job of grasping the Scottish thistle:

‘YES . 58%’

Unfortunately, I can’t read the rest of it. The print is just too small, but there are at least 6 other messages. So, if there’s a Hercule Poirot out there, please get out the magnifying glass and let us know what Chris Cairns is telling us.

Unless I am mistaken, here is where you find these 6 small print messages:

No. 1 runs vertically along the rim of the cup;

Nos. 2 and 3 lie horizontally, one above the other, between the bottom of the cup and the ‘knobble’ which the stem of the thistle runs through, on its way from left (the right hand side of the picture as we look at it) to right;

Nos. 4 and 5 run vertically along that wee ‘knobble’, and

No. 6 runs horizontally along the stem of the thistle, before it reaches the knobble.

If we knew what these messages, we would understand the cartoon far better. I may be proved all wrong once the codebreaker deciphers them. But if I called 2 of the 3 messages I can read ‘thorns’, and the third one an ‘encouragement’ that is crying out for us to ‘grasp the thistle’ and get a shift on, then I suppose the other 6 messages indicate further reasons for doing just that.

In other words, the cartoon – presumably – is highlighting the combination of factors that mean the TIME IS NOW to do what Chris Cairns has telt us to do: ‘GRASP THE THISTLE’. The word ‘grasp’, of course, reminds us of the notion of ‘grasping the opportunity’. Or, to change the metaphor, strike while the iron is hot.

And as for the THISTLE – please remember, it’s not a mace, it’s a thistle, and as such represents Scotland – what are we to do with it after we grasp it? Not just clutch it to ourselves, in some misty-eyed Romantic dream (reminiscent. as so often of glorious defeat). No. Nothing like that. Let’s see, and in order to do so, look again at the cartoon.

Where is that thistle? Aw naw – it’s lyin’ doon.

An’ whit’ll we dae with it efter we grasp it? WE’LL MAK IT STAND UP.

ON ITS AIN TWA’ FEET. AT LAST.

AN’ SHE’LL DAE FINE. SHE’LL BE BRAW!

On that last post, I seem to have got my ‘left’ and my ‘right’ mixed up somewhere. Not just my eyes that are going then … The mind too?

Tha last post indeed, gradually coming nearer … Do I begin to hear the not-so-distant drum?

Ah well. So what?

Meanwhile, if any Scottish exporters are wondering where their goods are,,,

link to google.com

And this is all happening BEFORE we leave the EU.

Brilliant!!!

We need much more of this to awaken Scots from their slumber.

@Wull

1. Internal Market Bill
2.3. Broken Promises
4.5.Democratic Deficit
6.Indy Ref Mandates

It appears Brenda is still creeping around.

link to twitter.com

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Potential Flash Campaign subject to exert pressure?
Doing nothing is effectively consent.
If you tolerate this then your children could be next in the queue for puberty blockers and removal of healthy body parts…

Many thanks Dan, Seoras Liath and Bob W.

I didn’t even think of that (clicking it!). Time to be put down, I think!!!!

Robert Louis says: “Scotland will never be independent with her in charge.”

Exactly Robert. Funnily enough that is what my Mum said as soon as Nicola Sturgeon took over from Alex Salmond. She has never liked nor trusted her from the beginning.

Sorry to go slightly off-topic, but the following video is brilliant:

link to videos.files.wordpress.com

A small banner is by nature restricted in how much detail it can state and convey re. complex subjects.

link to twitter.com

However Jim did produce a few articles for the National earlier this year with more detail. The three articles were written before he was selected as the SNP candidate for the Perthshire South and Kinross-shire constituency for next year’s Holyrood elections.
Is his suggestion in the following article a way around the Section 30 issue, and would such a method be considered and adopted by the Party.

link to web.archive.org

Dan @ 3.05pm.

Dan.

I don’t see any mention of independence on Mr Fairlie’s banner, maybe its on the back of the flyer who knows.

@ 100%yes 9.16am I agree with you totally , once again another wee stunt to keep SNP members and supporters from looking at the BIG picture of what STURGEON is NOT DOING, a distraction for the FAILED PROMISES

It’s like giving a wean a sweety when it wants a drum kit , it only works for so long then you have to address the REAL issue , Sturgeon has been feeding us with sweeties for the last 6 years , NOW I want the independence drum kit , nae mair sweeties

This is something else that needs to be grasped.
link to globalresearch.ca
Independence wouldn’t be worth a hill of beans if this dehumanising process is allowed traction.
Under the veil of a so called pandemic we are being brain washed to be obedient to a new order which has no respect for nations, boundaries or cultures and is rather accommodating to the type of dysfunctional gender politics currently destroying the SNP.
Redesigning humanity seems to be aim. All very « Nazi ».

Westminster wants fish in Scottish waters to self-declare to be English. Then fisherfowks from Grimsby can catch them with impunity.

Ottomanboi, I agree, and said as much two or three blogs back, this is the agenda that NS has been following for quite some time now, and most of the snp, along with Husafs hate crime bill,
We can not leave this to governments any longer. It is Not only England that is following this destroy the culture and existence we all know, as you hear all politicians across the world spouting build back better mantras, this is now being done in Australia, Canada, France, Germany and America, covid might be real, but it seems to be an appropriate tool for the great reset that is to come and spoken about world wide, it also explains why the business are being allowed to go under, if it is to be an economic reset as well, the idea is to cause panic, destroy support systems cause economies to collapse, take down statues to bring in a new version of history, to watch the nhs service not actually do its job for all illnesses, and to watch police forces take a blended knee to bullies, and obviously been instructed to do so, it certainly does make you wonder if this great reset, is actually being implemented and is no longer just a conspiracy
.

.. and Holyrood wants English tax receipts to to self declare as Scottish gravy train. .. oh wait … it already does.

… I’ve never played “insult thy neighbour” before … it’s fun though isn’t it!

Stand by for Defcon 4. Nicola is going to make an unscheduled statement today.

We all knew it was likely that Christmas was going to be fucked this year, but I don’t want to hear any complaints from the ones who protested about (insert cause here), refused to wear a mask, went to parties, went abroad on fucking holiday, tested their eyesight in their car, allowed conferences to take place, gave expensive PPE contracts to their chums, went trainspotting to London and back, popped to the holiday home (be it castle or cottage), shagged a high profile scientist… (feel free to add to the list)

I’ve actually paid closer attention to the cartoon Chris. Missed the writing first thing this morning 🙂

I see Aunty Nicola and the dentist have issued your instructions on Christmas socialising. Better do as your told, or she might get one of her pals to stitch you up on false charges.

you’ll have HAD YER VIRUS

– now here’s the SUPER VIRUS

at what level tier do they just call in the airstrike?

sensible – you are breaking tier 10 restrictions by posting here; chain yourself to your front radiator and wait for the plods – you dont need to call them, they were listening on your mobile

“some appear to think that the Scottish Parliament has been giving our sovereignty to England”

I am no constitutional lawyer, but I like to read and I am full of opinions.

It is my firm belief that it is not only the Scottish Parliament who is doing so but also the current Scottish government under Nicola Sturgeon, and the Scottish MPs who are legitimising the systematic abuse of Scotland by England by continuing to sit in Westminster and by continuing to participate in the vote for laws and bills that should have never been allowed to enter that parliament in the first place because they are at all practical effects a subjugation of Scotland and therefore unlawful in the context of the Treaty of Union and international law.

It is my personal opinion that forcing us to accept the requirement of a S30 as a fundamental condition in order to be able to exercise our right to self determination and our legitimate right to end a voluntary union to which Scotland entered as a sovereign state, is nothing other than taking our sovereignty and handing it to England for free. In my opinion the creation of such requirement where there was none under international law is also in direct contravention of the charter of the UN, which clearly states:

“Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom”

The way I see it, that S30 is a “condition or reservation” and therefore in contravention of that article of the charter.

Instead of using the S30 as a veto to hand over to England as Nicola Sturgeon has been doing since 2016, what she should have done is to ensure those powers to hold the referendum were already in Holyrood and if not, demand its immediate transfer or threatening with taking the UK government to the UN court.
I wonder if that is what Mr Salmond must have done because Cameron never opposed.

The transfer of powers to hold indyref2014 took place very quickly indeed. But then of course Mr Salmond really wanted that referendum to take place and therefore never came up with the self-defeating idea of handing to England a veto over Scotland’s right to self determination like Sturgeon has been doing since 2016.

Instead of demanding those powers to be in Holyrood “without delay” in 2016, she used that artificial need for an S30 as a tool to collude with Westminster into denying us our right to self determination for 4 years and counting.

I do also think our Scottish MPs are handing our sovereignty to England because I think it is their sitting in that parliament what is giving legitimacy and validity to each and every toxic law/bill passed by England MPs that aims to subjugate Scotland (also in contravention of the UN charter), to strip Scotland of its assets for England’s own benefit, to force England’s will over Scotland against Scotland’s own expressed will and interests, to remove Scotland’s rights and to take control of Scotland’s markets to Scotland’s own detriment.

For instance, the minute the vote was announced to decide if A50 would be triggered, if those SNP MPs had any respect for the fundamental principle of Scotland’s popular sovereignty as they should, they would have exited that chamber in masse and point blank refused to legitimise that vote, never mind taking part in it. They only had a mandate from Scotland to NOT exit the EU. At that point, those MPs should have issued an immediate ultimatum: either England ditched the idea of the UK exiting the EU without Scotland’s consent, or the union would end and each equal partner would go parted ways.

I will never be able to describe with words the profound disappointment and disgust I felt when I saw those 56 SNP MPS in that parliament voting like sheep and helping England to subjugate Scotland.

As it is, their presence there legitimised not only the triggering of A50, but the theft of our veto, the withdrawal bill that includes for first time ever the sovereignty of Westminster in UK law, the power grab bill and this new market grab that is the so call “internal bill”.

Now, by abiding by the “discipline” issued to that SNP MP for grabbing the maze and not demanding him to be allowed to get back in the UK Parliament, they are, in my opinion, legitimising the concept that England MPs can, at will, leave an entire constituency of Scotland without democratic representation in what should be the Parliament of the UK simply for their MP speaking his mind and not abiding “their” rules.

If that was not bad enough, in my opinion, by remaining in that parliament as they did, they legitimised also the breach of international law on behalf of Scotland that the England government has threatened with. Now, by continuing in that parliament after the special treatment of NI has breached the Treaty of Union, they are also legitimising the idea that such treaty of union is worthless.

The way I see it, the sitting of the SNP MPs in Westminster is not benefiting Scotland at all. It is benefiting England and their bank accounts.

The people of Scotland have never given their sovereignty to England. All those bills have been passed without the consent of Scotland, every single one of them. The assault on the Treaty of Union has also been done without the consent of the people of Scotland. It is a rogue FM, a rogue Scottish government, a rogue Scottish Parliament and a bunch of 59 coward MPs who are doing that on our behalf, albeit without our consent and against our will.

Scotland was sold to England by a parcel of rogues in the 1707 and it looks like it continues to be sold by a parcel of rogues to this day.

STV news carries the story, back to Tier Four come Boxing Day for a minimum of three weeks, no cross border travel either unless its essential. A new virulent strain of Covid-19 is the culprit, as far as I’m aware it first arose in London and the South East, several cases were reported in Glasgow earlier this week, the shutdown is to stop it spreading and overwhelming our NHS.

The 18th of January is the date touted to exit Tier Four, we shall see if mainland Scotland comes out of it on that date or not.

It is a delusion to think that Westminster has any hold over Scotland. The only authority they have is derived from the Treaty of Union which Brexit invalidates. All we need is the mettle to tell Boris Johnson and his merry band of proto-fascists to “Piss Off”. With the IMB and their determination to put themselves beyond the rule of law, the implications could not be more ominous. We are effectively signing our own death warrant if we fail to act now.

@Scot Finlayson,

Apparently yes.

I’m honestly not the pushy sort and would not be pressing a case I wasn’t certain of. So here’s a bit more constitutional theory that might prove helpfull.

NATURAL LAW IN AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL THEORY
link to core.ac.uk

“NATURAL law has had many meanings and diversified interpretations. Whether in the form of jus naturale, the law of nature, the law of reason, lex naturalis, lex aeterna, natural justice, or due process of law; natural law, in the broadest sense, has evolved as the needs of a particular civilization and the endeavors of its legal scholars have directed.’

It is significant, however, that as a philosophy of law, natural law continues to thrive, although the particular system which one community constructs may be abandoned by succeeding generations. Periods of growth in the law have been freqently accompanied by shiftings in natural law premises. An old system of natural law soon becomes sterile when there is immediate necessity for an extension of legal principles.

The American Constitution has been a fertile ground for the seeds for natural law, and constitutional theory has already passed through several stages of development, and is apparently upon the threshhold of a new period of growth….”

OT

Mortuaries are less full than this time last year.

Just think about that for a second.

@Ahundredtheidiot,

Covid danger is not just about death and mortuaries. It is also about long term debilitation, which can be serious.

My daughters friend caught it at work as a nursjng sister in hospital. Younger very fit healthy woman. She has been off work for 5 weeks ,and has lung damage.

She has to have physio every week for this.

Since Postcodes PH IV and AB are classed as Highlands and islands Tier 4 can’t be delivered here.

@Bob Mack –

If The Blessed Nicola told you to go and jump in the nearest river you’d give it some thought, wouldn’t you?

Mia @ 6.39

Aye, it does seem strange that, after winning three successive National Party majorities, Scotland’s elected sovereign representatives still prefer colonial diktat.

Being scolded for lifting the mace seems rather like a Scots schuil-bairn being sent to stand in the corner by an Anglophone teacher for daring to say ‘aye’ or ‘naw’.

Maybe its the colonial mentality that’s holding them back?

Mia the Scottish goverment/Parliament has given its sovereignty to England’s parliament by asking permission for a referendum section 30,
However the sovereign Scottish people have not given away their sovereignty to Westminster parliament, these two sovereignty’s are distinct from each other.
We the people can decide or choose whom governs us any time we like, under the claim of right, here in Scotland, in layman’s terms that means you have superiority above governments.
If Scottish people were to choose to take this action as a nation of people, there is very little the Scottish Parliament or the English/British Parliament could do about it, as it is wrote into the Scotland act, it is in legislation in uk Parliament it is also in the Crones report, it was part of the impact from the treaty of the union, and in all these references, nowhere does it say the Scottish Parliament or goverment are sovereign
It specifically states the Scottish people have that claim of right.
So the two sovereignties are very distinct.
The remnants of people’s sovereignty can be seen in Britain elsewhere, governments are chosen by people through the right to vote, (supposedly) Brexit was put to the people to vote on and decide.
Police in Britain police by consent of the people (supposedly)
The difference between these old remnants of law in Britain from the past that are vague in their construction compared to the position we hold in Scotland, is ours is defined into legislation. The Scotland act, the crones report, passed through Westminster in 2018. And was part of the agreement that constructed the treaty of the union. And is in writing.
The new internal market bill knobbles the sovereignty of the Scottish Parliament/goverment. But not
the sovereignty of the Scottish people, as we are able to choose a different government from any that exists at present.
My hope is that once enough people in Scotland realise their distinct sovereignty over governments, we will declare that we no longer recognise the present ruling governments, and we will temporarily choose a people/citizens parliament.
Because the Scottish Parliament/goverment does not hold sovereignty it can not do this, it would be construed as UDI.
However the sovereignty of the Scottish people allows for this to come into being in a legal manner. With our picking up weapon or fight,

I was reading Confused’s link (link to unz.com) to C.J. Hopkins’ excellent article “Year Zero”. As regards Covid Christmas the following passage stood out:

“It is regularly taught in penitentiaries when the prisoners start to get a little too unruly and remember that they outnumber the guards. That’s where the “lockdown” concept originated. It isn’t medical terminology. It is penal institution terminology.”

@Ian Brotherhood, 8.06
have you seen the following presentation by Dr Kory and interview of Professor Perronne?
Efficacy of ivermectin: link to swprs.org
Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine: link to covexit.com
https://hcqmeta.com

Given the early and prophylactic treatment options already available, people should not have to die or be damaged by the virus nor is the societal house arrest necessary.

Lenny @10.53 am
I’ve thought for a long time bow that the Gender re-alignment issue has come about in this period because of microplastics in everyone’s food, water, air, clothes etc…

We’ve known for a long time that plastic pollution – be that from phthalates lining the insides of cartons/tins or other food grade plastics – has been seeping into the waters around this island. We know that, for some time now, fish are appearing with both sets of sex organs and that some of the chemical pollutants in the water are endocrine disrupters which affect our hormones. We know that microplastics are being found in surprising amounts on the seabed and are penetrating the food chain.
Perhaps those people currently wanting to realign their gender are actually ‘the canaries in the coal mine’ and have had their systems disrupted by chemicals/plastics/polluted foodstuffs. Only time will tell.

@Bob Mack and all the other resident WOS lockdown cheerleaders –

If the new measures are so urgent that the FM has to interrupt all normal programming on a Saturday dinner-time and Jason Leitch goes to the bother of wearing a tie, how come the actual restrictions aren’t coming into force until Boxing Day? What’s that all about?

Some of us have been trying, ever since March/April, to post links to the latest revelations about all sorts of aspects of this, and we’re always met with the same withering – often angry and abusive – dismissal from you ‘experts’.

Your war cry is ‘all the evidence shows!’, yet you never actually show any of it. Not one of you has ever submitted a link to a source which isn’t blatant shitery of the sort punted into abody’s heids 24/7 by the global msm.

And yet here on WOS, where we, more than anyone else on this planet, are aware of just how sleakit and manipulative Scotland’s FM can be, you expect us to suspend our disbelief on this one issue because, er, well, she’s ‘better than Boris’?

To see such a dearth of critical thinking on this subject, in this place, is depressing.

It’s now over two months since the World Health Organisation agreed with John Iaonnadis, that lockdown doesn’t work. The following link also has an embedded link to a very short video by Irish biochemical engineer Ivor Cummins – his analysis could easily be applied to the Scottish data with very similar observations.

link to mothwo.blogspot.com

Here’s the original Iaonnadis paper, as approved by WHO.

link to who.int

If anyone cares to respond to this comment, please make reference to the links supplied – the usual ad hominem rubbish is expected and will be ignored.

@cirsium (8.34) –

No, I haven’t seen those before.

Thanks.

😉

@ahundredthidiot

I’ve sent you a pm, if you can come back to me

Yep, get yourself down the circuit

Thanks, Ian@8.59. I’m with you on this one.

@Mia, 6.39

Well said.

The Ioannadus paper posted by Brotherhood is already proven to be wrong. Where in this paper does he mention mutation which every scientist knows is the problem with an RNA virus?

He doesnt. Did he forget?

@Mia says:
19 December, 2020 at 9:21 pm
“Agree 100%. I have been questioning that abandonment since 2017, the day they allowed the A50 to go through the House of Commons and did nothing to put a stop to it.”

I’d like to see the A50 road diverted through the Commons, although it’s a helluva diversion from Stoke…

Some people don’t like the idea of taking this vaccine. It’s beginning to look as if we won’t have a choice shortly.

@Ian Brotherhood,

The Rev can take any action he wishes though I am qualified to make that judgement, so report away till your hearts content.

I have answered your post. Even if you find 1000 scientists to agree with you, there are 8 million who would not.

I suppose you skip over their papers.

By the way ,I am no fan of Ms Sturgeon, but I would jump into any river holding your hand if she asked.

Ian, I’m not quite sure you understand how debate works.

See, generally you would be expected to put forward a theory or argument, supported if you feel necessary with citations, links, quotes, etc., and the rest of us would have a right to respond with counter-arguments, etc.

Until tonight you seem to have assumed that you could invoke some right to make arguments and insist that those of us who disagree refrain from responding. For the sake of keeping the peace, I have refrained.

But now in what seems like a major u-turn you seems to be insisting that we respond and are suggesting that we haven’t done so in an adequate way thus far. How odd.

To make matters even more perplexing, you invite us to respond without actually making an argument – in a radical departure from all accepted norms, we’ve to respond to whatever your sources say rather than what you say.

Please. I am locked and loaded and keen to engage. I beg you, give me something to engage with. In other words, say something. Make a point about covid-19. One point.

@Ian Brotherhood,

My eyes. I read it. Next!!

AYRSHIRE NOB

The Wee Gingerbread Man is down the road a bit.

You are on the wrong blog,,, AGAIN.

Now run along numbnut.

And before ye go,,,howz Donald Trump doin the night???

@Ian Brotherhood says:
19 December, 2020 at 9:27 pm
“Before you start work on your humorous guided tours of Rutherglen and Burnside, perhaps you’d like to share your thoughts on the links I posted?”

I’ve read them (well speed reading as second link is large).
I’m not disputing his findings. But since there is little that can be done to stop the lockdowns I’ll get through them in my own way.

@ cirsium re Dr Kory’s testimony and Ivermectin.

Deeply controversial things have been ongoing with the scribing of Ivermectin in the USA and UK for some time now. The UK doing the cut and paste thing and following the USA.

The drug was invented in 1979, has a fantastic success record and safety record. And won the Nobel Prize for medicine for that reason.

However the company which owns manufacturing rights got into financial difficulties – and merged with Johnson and Johnson. I think (but from memory only) late 1980’s early 1990’s.

With regards the treatment of Scabies – which is showing more and more resistance to the 2 main types of creams (permythrin and malathion) – according to WHO – Ivermectin is the last drug of resort, with a very high success rate. It costs about dollar a tablet to manufacture.

Scabies is infectious and will not go away without treatment.

In the UK – GP’s have had their authority to prescribe drugs like Ivermectin withdrawn – it now has to be a Consultant who prescribes it.

With regards the treatment of Scabies – A classification of A1 scabies (which is what a Consultant would insist upon) – can only be done with high magnification skin scrapings/examination – NHS Tayside no longer carries out such services. Dermatology Consultants in Tayside – and Glasgow – will examine from arms length, with no magnification in any way, and fob the patient off with a diagnosis of Eczema (caused by prolonged used of Permethrin or Malathion creams).

Should the patient become upset and insistent – the Dermatologist in UK and USA will make a psychiatric diagnosis of Delusions of Parasitosis.

Delusions of Parasitosis was first named around 1930’s ish. When chronic alcoholics went through withdrawl symptoms and started trying to rip their stomachs open, claiming ants were crawling out of their bellies. Drug addicts have shown similar behaviour.

The diagnosis sat on the books doing nothing for many’s the year, until about the time (although its difficult to prove as public records are strangely missing) about the time, the company which produces Ivermectin got into financial difficulties and merged with Johnson and Johnson – who make Permythrin and Malathion.

On being diagnosed with a Psychiatric condition – the Dermatologist and GP – will make absolutely no referral to psychiatry for follow up treatment in any way.

Current diagnosis of Delusions of Parasitosis stand at 60ish percent for women, 30 something percent for men.

It could be argued that D of P is being used as a gagging / slander / discrediting the witness type of diagnosis.

Ivermectin used to be licensed for prescribing in the UK. If anyone can find any public record of when and why it was withdrawn from being a licence drug for prescribing in the UK – I will buy them a whole packet of chocolate hob nobs. And that information absolutely should be in the public domain – as a matter of routine. But it is not.

But of course – without this date – if one suspects that the diagnosis of Delusions of Parasitosis by Dermatologists started being frequently used/misused at the same time – one would not be able to find the data to evidence that in any way.

Ivermectin CAN be legally prescribed in the UK by a Consultant – As long as they inform the patient that it is Unlicensed in the UK. That’s it. It’s not unethical, or illegal, in any way.

In the mid 1990’s Westminster held Committees – heavily influenced by big Pharma – ostensibly to find ways to ‘cut back on the NHS drugs bill, and encourage doctors to scribe generic alternatives to common drugs.’ It is likely that it was around this time that GP’s had their authority to prescribe certain drugs reduced.

It is common knowledge that – certainly in the last decade – big pharma is all about increasing their profit and actively admit that quick and efficient treatment of medical conditions is the antithesis of their business model.

I did see elsewhere in another interview – that other drugs which were extremely effective in treating medical conditions have been magically removed from manufacture/license. But unfortunately I can’t remember where, or which ones.

Ivermectin is still prescribed in other parts of the world, not just for Scabies, but for other conditions, including in other parts of the EU. And as I said earlier, a Consultant can issue it in the UK as long as they explain its unlicensed status. Privately in the UK one treatment will cost around £75. So – the not prescribing of it, is not a money issue.

Of course if the above is correct, and that a cynical decision was made by big pharma, and dermatology – to increase sales of ineffective drugs, by withholding the effective one, and thereafter discrediting the patient with a mickey mouse phsyciatric diagnosis to discredit the patient and make them go away.

There would be some very big, class action, law suites in the wings. For that reason all eggs are in one basket and closes ranks all round are needed.

Its also likely that the current batch of younger GPs have zero experience of prescribing drugs like Ivermectin, and have not a clue about all of the above.

Dr Kory’s statement – that the highest levels of patients he was treating from Critical Covid are amongst the poorest, and a high proportion of african american, latino and elderly – as much as this is chilling, the really chilling thing is its also not surprising.

We live in interesting times.

@Beaker (9.46) –

Thanks.

That’s a response.

You agree that lockdown is not necessary.

Glad that’s settled.

Well that’s our Christmas plans ripped up. We have decided to sleep on it and try to salvage something tomorrow. Hundreds of pounds down the tubes. Economic prosperity not one of Nicola’s strongpoints. The young people are really upset but there is not a lot we can do. Who is taking note of the consequences? Police Sturgeon better know the exemptions because we do. And we are printing them off now.

Yeah right TB

The doctrine of personal exceptionalism.

Hope you get the virus. (And that you make a full recovery…)

Why is it that, whatever the topic that starts the thread, the same boring know-alls end up arguing over their limited knowledge and adamant options on the subject of Covid.
I almost want Cactus to make a come back. Almost.

The Covid virus has changed an aspect of its spike protein from aspartine acid to glycine. It allows it to enter human cells more easily.

Clever. Just pray it does not change into something more lethal rather than something which just gains easier access to your body.

@Ahundredtheidiot,

What civil liberties did you fight for that was so hard won?

Just curious.

@Pete,

I concur. Its refreshing to see that evolution is not inevitable.

Tannadice Boy says:
19 December, 2020 at 10:13 pm
@Scotrenewables 10 04
I have already had the virus. I came to terms with my mortality a long time ago.

Well hooray. Except it is not about you, it is about who you might infect.

@ScotRenewables 10 04
I am coming back to you on your post. It has irritated me. Not only have you wished the virus on someone else you have completely missed the point of my post. It’s the impact on young people that you have underestimated. They are not as resilient in the main, as previous generations. Granted exceptions are there. A shocking post from you. A taste of Nicola’s Scotland. And they are dying on the streets of Fundee as we speak. No more excuses. Thanks for reinforcing my belief to not vote for the SNP in May. You have clinched it.

@mia who said “that special deal that NI got breaks one of the fundamental restrictions of the treaty of union”

I tried to show you that the 1801 Treaty of Union (England-Ireland) was broken by the 1920 Government of Ireland Act, which set up NI in a different way to what remained of the UK after the Republic of Ireland left it. In this light, the 1985 Anglo-Irish Agreement and the 1998 British-Irish Treaty (GFA-based) could be seen as other breaks.

Logically speaking, the Brexit outcome for NI, which was due to hard diplomatic work by the Republic of ireland’s government and anti- Brexit parties, follows on from the others.

Could they all be construed as breaching the 1707 (Scotland-England) Treaty of Union? Maybe so.Did Scotland raise objections to any of them?

Having said that,I fully agree that the lack of initiatives by Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s MSPs and MPs over the past 4 years since the Brexit referendum and Scotland’s democratic vote to Remain is totally unjustifiable and apparently inexplicable, even considering what the Rev Stu has been writing about over the past few months.

I do not know if any move will be made to safeguard Scotland’s democratic vote to remain within the EU or whether No/Slight Deal will pass ahead without response from Scotland.

I am not particularly confident that Scotland’s current leaders will do something and as I mentioned on another thread,given the IMB, I am worried that the May 2021 elections will not take place

Believe me, as a long time supporter of Independence coming from a Scottish background on my father’s side, I am greatly pained and saddened by the predicament Scotland has been led into and fervently wish it were otherwise.

@Daisy Walker,

I actually heard someone on social media stating the vaccine was chipped so they (who ever that is) could monitor you.

People were responding giving positive affirmation to this lunacy.

We’re not going to get through this pandemic and maintain cohesive resistance to English Torydum, if we take rigid and dogmatic positions that alienate different opinions. Other than those that would undermine public health, that is. So here’s a look at “Relational ethical approaches to the COVID-19 pandemic”.

link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“Key ethical challenges for healthcare workers arising from the COVID-19 pandemic are identified: isolation and social distancing, duty of care and fair access to treatment. The paper argues for a relational approach to ethics which includes solidarity, relational autonomy, duty, equity, trust and reciprocity as core values. The needs of the poor and socially disadvantaged are highlighted.

Relational autonomy and solidarity are explored in relation to isolation and social distancing. Reciprocity is discussed with reference to healthcare workers’ duty of care and its limits. Priority setting and access to treatment raise ethical issues of utility and equity. Difficult ethical dilemmas around triage, do not resuscitate decisions, and withholding and withdrawing treatment are discussed in the light of recently published guidelines. The paper concludes with the hope for a wider discussion of relational ethics and a glimpse of a future after the pandemic has subsided.”

Talking of vaccines,,,is there any sane Scot going to allow any doctor to inject them with that English Oxford rat’s pish???

Naw,,,me neither.

‘Bob Mack says:
19 December, 2020 at 11:24 pm
@Daisy Walker,

I actually heard someone on social media stating the vaccine was chipped so they (who ever that is) could monitor you.

People were responding giving positive affirmation to this lunacy.’

Westminster will give the ‘chip n prick’ vaccine to one of their mates, and it won’t work as a vaccine, or a tracer. But it will make them a fortune. Wonder if we’ll get a batch number bar code tattoo to go with it. All very Matrix.

Good to see everyone on here d diligently working their way through their christmas and new year bevvy tonight, whilst arguing politics and covid with members of the family. Just like the real thing 🙂

The spirit is lost on no one 🙂

@ayrshire rob

Have you ever met someone from ayrshire referred to as rob?

Wee have a few elfatso’s like yirsel to.

Without getting into a bun fight over lockdowns, my personal opinion is that lockdown can work if it’s done hard and fast and in it for the long haul. Scotland and the rest of the uk have been doing the lockdown Hokey Cokey for months and that approach just doesn’t work. It took Melbourne 4 months of hard lockdown to get from a peak of 750 cases per day down to zero. 3 weeks ain’t even going to touch the sides. Yes the Victorian economy has been trashed but what’s happening in Scotland is also trashing the economy but a slower death. But the economy in Victoria is rebounding as we’ve now had 50 days of no community transmission. So my point is unless Scotland is prepared to do it for the long haul probably best not doing it at all. Anyway just my 2 cents ….

Here’s a bit on risk management that might help folk think there way through the pandemic. Though I don’t think I need to remind folk here that Scotland and England are politically polar opposites. Yet we are being forced to adopt English Torydum, whether we like it or not. That’s not democracy, that’s despotism.

Cultural Cognition as a Conception of the Cultural Theory of Risk
link to papers.ssrn.com

“Cultural cognition refers to the tendency of individuals to form beliefs about societal dangers that reflect and reinforce their commitments to particular visions of the ideal society. Cultural cognition is one of a variety of approaches designed to empirically test the cultural theory of risk associated with Mary Douglas and Aaron Wildavsky.

This commentary discusses the distinctive features of cultural cognition as a conception of cultural theory, including its cultural worldview measures; its emphasis on social psychological mechanisms that connect individuals’ risk perceptions to their cultural outlooks; and its practical goal of enabling self-conscious management of popular risk perceptions in the interest of promoting scientifically sound public policies that are congenial to persons of diverse outlooks. “

Gfaetheblock@11.42pm

Tae paraphrase

COVID is probably not real and has not killed anyone.

Vaccines rarely work and have killed many.

Lockdowns don’t work for if they did why are we here?

Believers in the COVID CULT are probably naive fools.

Wake up.

J Galt