The unacceptable face of politics
Is mine, of course. From last night’s Scotland Tonight, in case you missed it:
Particular kudos to STV for finding footage (it’s right at the start of this clip) of Clare Lally introducing and launching Johann Lamont’s Scottish Labour leadership bid in November 2011, even though the Daily Record said in August 2012 that she had “no previous political experience”. We expect someone will resign.
Susan Dalgety’s performance is as remarkable as it is hypocritical. From the first seconds, she dodges almost every question and embarks instead on a series of rants entirely tangential (at best) to the subject under discussion, raging against a whole series of straw men nobody else had raised, and then constantly trying to interrupt someone (ie me) who was at least trying to stay vaguely on-topic.
Weirdly, despite just having been on a TV show with me, in which both she and host Rona Dougall repeatedly referred to me as “Stuart” (reasonably, as that’s my name), she tweeted later the same evening that I was actually someone called Alan Barbour:
Despite repeated requests, she’s refused to forward the supposed email, hasn’t publicly retracted the allegation and won’t delete the tweet or elaborate any further on its contents. I fear, readers, that she may be a little crazy. (Which probably means that STV put me in the same category. C’est la vie.)
Resignation? I fear your recent excellent TV exposure has fuddled your head Stu! An apology for misrepresentation perhaps? Of course not!
Oh, I see a blue moon is forecast!
We expect someone will resign.
Don’t hold your breath.
Wow she’s a barrel of laughs, eh? 😛 Still the world would be a better place I’m sure if repeatedly denying any counter-arguments to yours made you right.
“I think she may be a little crazy.” That’s putting it mildly. But on balance, was Flipper’s vote yes and you’re a nazi last week any less nuts?
She certainly has something of the night about her.
Cool calm and collected Rev and thought STV and help me Rona did a fair job.
Well done.
Well done laddie, you did well.
Well done Stu – calm and accurate.
Stu, we are so lucky to have you…
Oh does anyone know where I can hear the Naughtie interview this morn with the Scottish Gov lady, I hear she put in a barnstormer. Dont think it will be on iplayer yet.
link to yourbritain.org.uk
You’ll note that Clare Lally’s position on the National Policy Forum ISN’T EVEN ABOUT CARERS. Her position is on “Britain’s Global Role.” When will her lies be be exposed?
Not helpful but my tweet was the first shown. Internet fame at last lol
If she ask me its all gone ‘doolally” 😉
Slight O/T
Delivering papers earlier today and was accosted and shouted at by a guy who claimed that I and the rest of the “cybernats” were threatening to shoot Clare Lally (and Anus Sarwar, but that was less important). I’m sure the guy believed what he was saying, but my (silly) comment that he might be mistaken was greeted with another load of personal abuse, so I left.
I think Susan Dalgety’s just a little in love with you, Stu!
Great stuff Stu, you handled yourself perfectly.
That Dalgety woman seems to be a nasty hateful human being.
At 9:29 in the video when Rona mentions that YES will need to win over women voters. Dalgetys` little facial contortion when she says “it does” is priceless.
She is thinking, ” HA we got them on this misogynist smear, i am so smug and proud of myself right now”
But in actuality i think that Dalgety comes across to everyone, yes and no alike, both male and female as a very unlikable lump of wind.
Where do the Labour Party find all of these people? Seriously! I loved here “I think you’re based in England?” remark to the Rev. What a petty, parochial and narrow nationalistic thing to say. There would never be a huge media outcry if a pro-independence person had said that to a unionist Scot living in England. Right?
bunter
It was Anabelle Ewing, and she really left Naughtie speechless and spinning. More from Anabelle please.
Why is Rona misinformed about the New Statesman. Doesn’t she read WingsOverScotland? good grief.
Susan sounds like an overheating pug when she’s breathing… 😀
@Rev,so is that your alter ego Alan the Barber in the bath,
mental disengagement fae Susan Dalgety,from the same stable
as Mc Teirnan,arent we lucky to have them on the other side,
LoL.
Ghengis D’Midgies
Haha. Yeah, maybe Rona just pretended to be misinformed.
@ Justin Ross
Thanx!
Just read more of the Survation poll and voting intentions for SNP 46% and SLab 28%. Its clear this stramash is a diversionary tactic.
Mrs Dalgety’s reaction at the 9:30 mark regarding women in the indyref debate seems quite telling. Right, Wings body langauge experts, what is she saying here? 🙂
You are all cybernazi scum of the Voldemort-arian race-muggle-hating kind. Shame on you. Shame on you for questioning them. shame on you for having a fikken BEARD!!!!
Clearly this was a well Orchestrated and implemented plan to put women off voting for YES. It was a trap and muggins fell into it. Even if what he said was unbelieveably non controversial.
Oh well maybe Sarah Smith will get Tom Conti, that well know foreigner on the case to say we are all a bit “silly” for having an opinion which does not match the establishement and for having a dream.
You scumbags beard wearing muggle unpureblood.
Laugh of the night was her smug, patronising “Let me explain how the Scottish media works”.
Thinking that you, of all people, need enlightening on the ways of the Scottish MSM shows either a lack of research into her subject or simply a breath-taking degree of arrogance and feelings of superiority.
@bunter 1.17
Anabelle Ewing was on top form this morning and lt seemed James Naughtie was caught out by her quick thinking and articulacy. She even managed to rubbish BBC on air, in the nicest possible way.
You did good Stu. no surprise there.
But Susan Dalgety? If she was aide to Jack mcConnel no wonder Labour are in the mess they’re in.
And is that C word she mentioned CLOWN is it? Lordy…
It is perfectly clear that there was no “attack” on Ms Lally in the e-mail. It is perfectly clear that there were two statements, one of which was factually wrong but not in any way derogatory. An apology for the error of fact has been given and rejected: not very gracious at all
In this clip Ms Dalgety was all over the place: it seemed to me she had no coherent case to make at all. The Unionists continue to try to make out that all of the abuse is coming from the Yes side: indeed on Scotland 14 the presenter asked the SNP spokesperson to say whether the SNP should be taking action to stop it: a question not put to the Conservative spokesperson, at least not in the clip I saw. The implication is clear. It is also false.
As Mr Campbell said, it is not the general public on social media who are setting the tone of this debate: that would be official representatives who have repeatedly abused the First Minister and others, using the lowest of gutter language. I consider the “blood and soil” statement, and likening the First Minister to Kim Jong il, is hate speech far worse than using the “c” word, though I realise we are not supposed to think that. Pardon me if my sensibilities differ slightly from those of middle england: who seem to think you can make any vile statement you like so long as certain “bad words” are avoided: which demonstrates merely that they mistake manners for morals, at best.
Nobody should be abused, and we all agree about that. But this is desperate stuff.
Ah, so that’s what you look like 😉
Will have a watch of this tonight, missed it when it was on the telly due to avoiding political programmes late evening because they tend to annoy me and don’t help me sleep… or so the wife says. Personally I think it’s a move to stop me from fighting in my dreams and kicking her out of bed. Apparently I talk in my sleep and I’m ‘very angry all the time.’ Total contrast to normal demeanour.
And I’ll have to watch it tonight anyway, since work computers very helpfully do not have speakers that work.
I never realised you were so handsome Rev.
So is Susan Dalgety going to resign or be given the sack for committing the exact same crime she denounces Alex Salmond’s Special Advisor for, of mistaking someone for someone else?
Well done Stuart, and well done Rona and STV for managing a semblance of fairness even if they fudged Darling’s smear.
EXCELLENT point about how abuse from Yes comes from fringe nutters with 20 followers while abuse from No comes from the top.
As for Ms Dalgety and her “mistaking” Stu. By using the wrong name she was probably trying to dismiss your utterances.
My sister used to call people who annoyed her Senga.(apologies to Sengas reading)!
Somebody give Cockers his specs back..
Found it funny on STV Player last night! STV Catchup would be more appropriate! It looks like the only person involved in that debate that was up to date and willing to discuss current issues was yourself young man – you didn’t take any prisoners when trying to put your point across and the other 2 wanted to sidestep your points mainly because they didn’t have a clue! Well done!
Just watched it. Well done for not getting sidetracked.
I think anyone watching that will see Labour as devious (which they are).
That’s got to be a result.
@petermackbeastie – I share your pain brother 🙂 (sleeping after political programmes! Thursday nights are the worst!)
“I think she’s an extraordinary mother, because she cares for her young child 24 hours a day.”
Extraordinary indeed then that she has time during the remaining hours of the day to indulge herself in Better Together activities.
I’m astonished!
To be honest, Stuart, I don’t know if you caught Ian MacWhirter having a right old barney with John McTernan just after you. At one point, I think even McTernan realised that even he had crossed a line, because he certainly reeled himself back in.
They are scared. They can hold up as many polls as they want, but something tells me that they’ve seen something that keeps cropping up again and again and again. I think the polls definitely show either level-pegging (or dare whisper it …Yes are winning…)
Susan Dalgety’s behaviour on Twitter today is fascinating. A curious mixture of self-pity, mock outrage, cute kitten pictures and continued vilification of the dastardly cybernats. (backed up by no proper evidence)
It may or may not be significant but there are no leading Labour figures rallying to her support, either.
Very well done Rev. I particularly liked your notion that most ordinary mums aren’t part of the Labour shadow cabinet!
Desperate stuff from the no campaign this week, ahead of some stunning poll results showing YES again gaining ground (and Labour in rapid retreat on Holyrood voting intention).
@ Kenny
Interesting in light of the fact that the story is:
She is an ordinary mum…oh, well, an ordinary mum who fights for disability rights…well, I mean she is an ordinary mum who has decided to join the labour party the better to fight for disability rights…er..that is, an ordinary mum who decided to join the labour party and is an adviser to the Shadow Cabinet on disability because that is her sole concern….well apart from her expertise on globalisation, obviously….um…would you just shut up and accept that you are just vile for even bringing this up…..
Watched STV news last night to actually catch what was going on in Iraq, as I missed the story from the previous night. Was funny watching Willie Hague squirm at some nice hard questioning about that the UK government have now “caused”. To then have the pleasure of seeing Stu and McWhirter get stuck in about the lies and mistruths of the NO side was simply divine !! Well done to you both….and well done to STV as well I guess….I even got the impression that they were on “your” side…..surely not !??? As a footnote….After learning about the Iraq situation, it’s certainly plausible that the US and UK governments will , again , find it impossible to stop themselves getting involved , and we’ll find ourselves going to war , yet again…..As terrible as it would be for this to happen , I feel it would actually push a lot of people in the NO camp to YES….. Time will tell.
I heard Annabelle speak at a Yes Scotland town hall meeting…I was pleasantly surprised at how well she communicated.
Did anyone hear Naughtie this morning on the article about social media. I loved the continual references to how balanced the MSM are…well I laughed a lot.
AAH, Im afraid her Sainthood is shortlived, back to being an ordinary housewife ?
Calls for Campbell Gunns’ resignation is the top story on BBC Scotland’s homepage. Surprise surprise, so no collusion between the No campaign and the BBC there then.
Good performance, Stuart. Glad you managed to make the point about the real abuse coming from senior Labour politicians on the No side.
I thought the wee guy with the beard was quite good, STV should use him more often!
Dalgety was…a twat. Typical Labour airhead who comes across as being in Spin Mode from the moment she wakes in the morning, full of faux indignation about the supposed rancour of the Yes supporters.
Rhona was better than she usually is, I thought?
Very well done Rev.. One criticism tho.. You need to get the little head nod of “thanks” when the host signs you off… look to that Churchhill dug for lessons 😉
“bawbags and zoomers” quality terms and I’m glad that they have entered the debate, I know loads of them. 😛
Stu, did you dye your beard for the telly?
I also think your cheap Star Trek jumper is a rubbish rip-off. The arrow should be gold, goes on the other side and placed vertical not horizontal
🙂
I particularly the sharp intake of breath from the hard core Labour person when another Labour person was described by your good self as hard core Labour.
Which is entirely correct link to archive.today
I hope to see much, much more of Susan Dalgety over the next 100 days. I want many, many more people to listen to what she has to say on complicated subjects.
I’d also quite like Rona to listen to the ‘blood and soil’ audio again. I have and I don’t need anyone to transcribe it for me. The NS interviewer asked if the SNP supported blood and soil nationalism, & Darling said “Yes, at heart,” clearly disagreeing. Rona’s attempt to ignore it was unwelcome.
STV’s Scotland Tonight explored the issues and, to my mind at least, was fair and balanced. On the other hand, BBC’s Scotland 2014 coverage (watched this morning on the iPlayer) was laughably one sided and a disgrace to a broadcaster charged with impartiality. It’s no wonder that practically no-one watches that programme “live”, although I’m sure Ruth and Johann both love it.
liked, I meant liked. I guess this seems out of place now.
Well done, hope the bite marks on your tongue heal up soon 😉
Calm and intelligent, Rev. Great to watch and hear. Can I call you Stu, now?
Gosh! Isn’t Susan Dalgety an absolutly gorgeous woman? And she is so intelligent as well. I love the way she is able to grasp the point of an argument and argue her case in such a cogent and convincing manner.
There now! That didn’t insult anyone did it?
Far am bi a’ mhuc, bidh an fhail-mhuc.
Your Britain is the British Labour Party website where it recently buried the report it commissioned disabled activists and academics to write into disability and poverty. It has still to publish a version online which is even accessible to disabled people.
Compare Labour’s silence and disinterest in its own report to the recent fanfare and publicity the Scottish Government gave to its own Expert Working Group on Welfare report Re-thinking Welfare: Fair Personal and Simple. It’s like night and day.
Your Britian Reference –
Breaking the link between Poverty and Disability
Is it just me, or does it look like Susan Dalgety cannot hear what Rhona is saying? For instance, when she’s first asked a question, she leans forward as if she cannot hear, and then she says something that has nothing to do with the question. Either that, or she’s simply decided to say what she wants no matter what.
Congratulations Stu, that was an excellent piece of interviewing last night. Kudos to you for managing to achieve the impossible, staying on topic whilst your opponent wandered all over the place.
p.s. I’ve just realised you were in the corner of the pub open air section before last year’s march. I was in the wheel chair along with my partner her daughter and grandson who had stopped down the alleyway. If I had known what you looked like then I would have introduced us to you, too late for a badge unfortunately. 😛
If you want to listen to Anabelle Ewing’s interview on the radio this morning its here:
link to bbc.co.uk
Starting at 2:36:50
“STUART LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW THE MEDIA WORKS”
Condescending cow.
She had nothing of substance to say. Ducked the questions, and got in a few sly digs about Rev not living in Scotland.
I went to a Kiltr debate at the CCA in Glasgow a few weeks back with Susan Dalgety arguing alongside John McTernan against The Artist Taxi Driver (aka Chunky Mark, aka Mark McGowan) and Brian Cox (actor).
In the debate Susan Dalgety kept bringing up straw man arguments and not answering the questions, as mentioned above. I have not actually watched last night’s performances yet, but I immediately recognised that description.
Dr Stephen Watson, from Academics for Yes (not sure if he’s on Wings) also asked a belter of a question at this debate quoting back some very specific comments from McTernan’s past much to his surprise!
I was with Truth from Wings, who tends to have a better memory than me for these things, so perhaps he can remember some of what was said.
I never saw it last night ,I have really stopped watching anything political or news on mainstream channels a waste of time.
That said Stu ,you were brilliant you got over every point that needed saying and stressed that no evidence of any abuse has been forthcoming.
Your fellow debater ,what can I say beyond , was she really an adv isor to a previous FM??
she was not the most articulate and seemed ,shall I say a little excitable.
Really loved Susan Dalgety’s melodramatic open-mouthed gasp at one point. More calculated and theatrical over-statement bordering on the comical coming from the BT side.
@Harris Tottle
Muc breagach cunnartach
Jings, I didn’t go to the debate WITH Susan Dalgety! Just thought I’d clarify that!
I was NOT arguing alongside her!!!
(Got to be more careful with my grammar!)
Triangular Ears,
here is a link to a video of the KILTR debate you refer to which someone posted yesterday on WOS –
Debate #3 – The Media. Live from the CCA Glasgow 25th May 2014
The KILTR Referendum Debates
@Harris Tottle
Should of course state I am replying to your gaelic statement of which I fully agree
Far am bi a’mhuc, bidh an fhail-mhuc.
(Where the sow is, there you will find the pigsty)
Works for me Stu. Shall we send more cash?
Brilliant and brave. You tell it like it is and they can’t handle it.
Watched last night taped Scotland 2014
Sarah Smith is as neutral as a golf gti in 1st gear
Who was that crazy cow with the glasses? oh sheet just used the c word what a cvnt i am. 😉
Great quote from Annabelle Ewing this morning during an interview with Naughtie;
“I’m not entirely sure I remember a BBC radio programme focused on the terrible abusive that they (WEIRS) had to suffer”
Nice wee dig and of course entirely true.
It amazes me the people of Scotland havent waken up to the crazy batshit liebour party. I mean its like that everyday crazy batshit lies that the public seem to eat up yum yum give us more we love this crazy batshit party.
I love that. “Stuart, let ME explain how the media in Scotland works” haha Now, if we could team her up with Gordon Brown, we could be onto a winner.
Well, it looks to me that its a real drama over nothing.
500,000 POOR WEE SOULS, fleeing their homes in Iraq, indirectly due to Anglo American warmongering and this lady going on about this.
Doesnt make sense to me.
I don’t think Susan Dalgety is any way representative of most Scottish women, and I don’t think we will hear or see much of Clare Lally in the future either.
Is anyone else just completely fucked off with this unionist projection pish? Lamont in that piece alleging collusion on the Yes side? Seriously? The unionists do nothing but collude with their MSM buddies. Tomorrow’s headlines of faux outrage are usually predicted either here or on twitter FFS!
I look at Ms Dalgety and wonder at the state of Labour in Scotland. My Dad, an old Labour die-hard, a former steelman who spent a year on strike in support of the miners and 82 yesterday, shakes his head in frustration.
‘Tony Blair. New Labour’ he says, gutted.
Enough to make this grown man (me) cry. The old man is a stoic. I wonder how he keeps it all in.
Has any journalist thought to ask Blair for his views on Iraq today?
Well done Rev, you’re becoming quite the celeb. You’re going to have to think about personal appearance now, need a tan and an oil up so that you are all shiny for the women voters! Brilliant, it was like watching the Rocky movies. We’re going to do this and they are now into “completely bricking it” mode. Loved the use of “zoomers” straight talking and will totally relate to REAL ordinary people
FFs Rev time for another crowd funder we should be aiming to get you a mansion with enough space for a newspaper and television station. lol bt wouldent know what hit them. 😉
I thought you were excellent Rev, you were clear concise and straight to the point, and you delivered the Alistair Darling , blood and soil remark superbly. Susan Dalgety was all over the place,and actually failed to answer her very first question, from there on in it was down hill for her.
I must say the focused scowl and the Abraham Lincoln beard gave you an air of authority, hopefully they’ll invite you back on the show.
Well done Stu – keep the level head, deal in the facts.
I wish everyone would stop the shit slinging and represent people speaking on either side of the debate for what they and their interests actually are.
When I first saw the name Dalgety in a comment on another thread I thought “it couldn’t be, could it?” but it is! None other than the former senior writer and out and out Nat basher from the Edinburgh Evening news. I used to wonder what happened to her, now I know. You’ll find a useful resume here: McConnell international foundation then search for Susan Dalgety.
Excellent contribution last night. Cool, calm and collected unlike your opponent who I suspect, may have other issues to worry about.
most impressive Stu you stepped into the lions den and came out without a scratch well done ,got to say im surprised though as i feared the worst when i heard you would be on had visions of them trying to tag you as some crazed lunatic blogger but for once STV actually kept it reasonably fair.
Is this woman related to the Dalgety Bay where the radio active material was dumped? That would explain a lot.
My favourite bit was when Susan Dalgety offered to tell Rev Stu how the media works in Scotland 🙂
I know many ordinary Mums, in fact my best friend’w wife is an ordinary mum. Strangely she doesn’t support Weapons of Mass destruction being stationed in Scotland. My own mum is an ordinary mum and she doesn’t support a political party that endorses the Bedroom Tax. My sister in law is an ordinary mum, she is appalled at the economics of greed that have resulted in the poor getting poorer and people relying on food banks. None of these ordinary mums support the Labour party. That must make them extraordinary mums.
fairiefromtheearth
An SNP majority at Holyrood with constant high approval ratings would at least suggest the slumbering giant is getting restless!
@ NL Says
“You’re going to have to think about personal appearance now, need a tan and an oil up so that you are all shiny for the women voters! ”
They’ll be suggesting that you undo another button on yer shirt next Stu, and wearing a medallion.
🙂
Great TV presence Stu – hopefully we will see a bit more of you in the next 98 days.
So,was JK Rowling the one with the beard or the one with the glasses??…..Meanwhile,the nukes are still on the Clyde.Folk are still going to the food bank.
Ive just realised whats been perplecing me about the Revs pic above….
The Rev..the missing link between Will Weaton in Big Bang Theory and director of the wonderful Dogma, Kevin Smith 🙂
Iraq today lol the Saddam youth are doing exactly what the army said they would do in 1991 thats why their was no searious invasion of Iraq in 91. 300,000 boy scouts of the sunni clan trained in gorilla warfaire every sunni boy was in the fediee every one of them trained in gorilla warfare thats why i cried when Tony war criminal Blair lied to get us into the war. we destroyed all the bio and chemical shit in the first war and the sunni boy scouts must have been at the millions at the start of the second war, rule brittianya lol
Jackie Baillie welcomes Clare to Labour’s Shadow Cabinet:
link to archive.today
Just a thought but, is anyone keeping any tabs on how many convictions each side have for internet abuse? Off the top of my head:
No – 3 (assasinate Salmond, stalk Sturgeon, Orangeman yesterday fined 200 quid for sending anti-catholic stuff to a SNP activist)
Yes – 0
Any more?
I watched Scotland Tonight last night and thought Rev Stu never needed to get out of first gear to deal with the rather patronising Susan Dalgety. Dalgety, on the other hand was literally huffing and puffing in a series of attempts to look outraged.
Kudos to Rev Stu.
The No campaign and it`s media branches are in full smear mode now. There`s only so much people will take before it all becomes white noise. I passed that stage sometime around Spring last year.
The ‘C’ word?
Where, when and by whom?
Utter ‘C’laptrap.
As said by others before a unsubtle smear designed to turn women against YES
As Scots our healthy life style pie suppers fags booze probably makes us a bigger danger to our lifes than anything else, if you were a muslim the biggest threat to your life would be from another muslim, weird world.
NL & GP – you forgot the lashing of Brut guys …(chortles into hand)
After this trivial episode is behind us, might we can resume discussing important topics?
That the Scottish themed media chooses to be outraged by a bloody email that contains a factual error (not a threat, not a promise of violence, not a slanderous comment, not even a smear), is a sorry indictment of what pretends to be the barometer of our society.
Maybe I’m being harsh on our media & it’s our society that presents the comical theatrics that the media feels inevitably obliged to report?
Is that why, you can’t get someone to come to the door when they have glued their arse to the couch for the full HD experience that is the miserable chronicles of “Eastenders” or the Eliza Doolittle facsimile of “Britain’s Got Talent”?
Has the democratization of stupidity gone too far?
Campbell Gunn walks into a bar
barman says “What you having?”
Campbell says “A right bad week”
Tomorrows headlines today…one of these three:
(No) Gunn Fired
Gunn Goes Off
@fairiefromtheearth Makes your heart bleed.
This comment from a guardian reader says it all
This is the whirlwind which was sown by Bush, Blair and their Neo-con cronies in 2003, as the civil war in Afghanistan and Pakistan is the result of the failure of their invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. The whole PNAC strategy was doomed to failure from the beginning, and its principal outcome has been to strengthen enormously the hand of Islamists whose fanaticism is the mirror-image of that of the American supremacists.
One can only feel the most profound pity for the millions of innocent civilians whose fates are now in the hands of brutal forces unleashed as a result of our meddling.
I find it extraordinary that anyone from Labour would have the gall to complain in any way shape or form about an e-mail that was NOT abusive. I think it might be time to remind Labour, the MSM and the UKIP (spit) Channel, sorry BBC about this incident from 2010 which went, as far as I can tell, totally unreported. Newsnet reported it but then again as we all know only cybernats use the internet the REAL news comes from the MSM and the UKIP (spit) Channel, dammit, BBC. 😛
link to tinyurl.com
Thought for the day ….
A boiled egg is hard to beat.
@dramfineday.
Ahm an Old Spice man masel’
🙂
View from the USA, OK a Carnegie Institute Fellow and Scot
http://www.scottishglobalforum.net/opinion—speedie-view-from-america.html
Keep it up boys and girls.
It’s true. Clare Lally was repeatedly called the “C word” – Cabinet-member.
Feck, sorry http mortal death post transgression.
Forgive me My Lord Darth Vader
I think what they have tried to do here is contrast a reasonable-sounding woman (a member of the target demographic, and one that can evoke the theme of ‘women under attack’ that’s been set up with both Lally and Rowling) with a weirdy beardy internet conspiracy theorist.
Well done to Stuart for actually sounding pretty reasonable. It must be extremely nerve-wracking to be questioned live on TV, never mind keeping a coherent argument at the same time. Thanks to Susan Dalgety too, though I admit I found her repeated interjection of shocked and outraged noises while Stuart was speaking quite distracting.
It’s interesting that she kept making the point that people should be free to say whatever they want, implying that it was ‘cybernats’ that were trying to shut down the debate. I guess citizen journalism and using social media politically must be a different kind of free speech that we all deserve freedom from.
You came across clear and to the point Rev. But between the two of them, still managed to play up the nasty cybernat mock offence. And play down the tone that the likes of Lamont and Darling have set.
Mmm…If I google “Alan Barbour Wings Over Scotland”..The first page to come up is this article
@Bugger
shouldnt that be
Forgive me My Lord DarthEater Vader now
I note both she and McTernan when asked if the abuse comes from both sides categorically avoid answering the question.
That speaks volumes.
Ask any yes supporter and they will admit there are those on their own side who can be abusive.
Ask these no supporters and they squirm and avoid the question.
They are fundamentally dishonest people. Scotland take note.
Pleasantly surprised that they referred to Wings as a “website” rather than a “blog”.
Desimond
Fetch me some more Intergalactic Alpha Dendroid Nectar Juice.
——and be quick about it.
zap !
Anybody know if there’s a link where I can watch last nights Scotland 2014?
Stuart
I’ve met people like Dalgety. You can only laugh in scorn and walk away. There is no rationale for their hypocrisy, no intelligence behind what they say, other than they are briefed to make the most of a lie.
From what I’ve heard from others today – ‘ordinary’ members of the public – people are bemused as to her and Labour’s complaint, and rather bored with it too.
And by the way, you and I share the same brand of shirt! Politics and shirts; not bad.
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gimme a shout if your gonna soon need a body double stu.
We need to hammer home at the next BBC demo that we are absolutely sick of misrepresentations in the wider media going unchallenged. I think the BBC are corrupt but not totally and they more than any other news outlet should have the talent and funds to not be so easily manipulated by exterior forces like political parties or ideologies. I think Scottish democracy is too important to let a few corrupt placemen in high places get away with manipulating the outcome of any vote. Please please could everyone who is able come to the next demo outside the BBC in Glasgow with your homemade placards expressing your feelings about this.
@col,
We Ginger Dug has some great graphics wot can be made into badges, tea shirts etc.
Thank goodness none of these people baying for blood would ever consider a career as an English rteacher. They would fail the basic level interpretation test.
If someone showed me a ginger moggie and told me it was a black cat I would tell them they were wrong and that in fact the cat is not black, it is ginger. So who would I be correcting (attacking) the cat or the person who got it wrong?
Having watched this stuff for a couple of days now it seems that this attack is definitely co-ordinated. All of the BT parties are flogging the personal abuse line (which it wasn’t) and they are all stressing the guidelines for personal advisers (which have not been contravened). The target audience is women obviously, which they see as the Yes campaigns weak point. It leads me to wonder if they know something that the rest of us don’t. Could it be that their private poling has uncovered a willingness among more women to vote Yes?
Iraq was not “our” meddling. How rich has war made Tony Blair or Bush and Dick Cheney?
It’s interesting watching all these banal panicky unionists with charisma by-passes to a man/women, all desperately trying to stop something incredible happening in Scotland.
Sorry, just looking at my new ipad wallpaper of the Scots butterfly. Will it be broken on the giant BetterTogetherBBC wheel of grot? Nae chance.
and also they are beginning to reference W.O.S more and more. You must be getting under their skin.
If i ever get onto one of these TV debates and Alistair Darling is in the panel I don’t think I could pass up the chance if chosen to direct a question at him and then just give a bunch of dolphin noises keeping a straight face all the way through.
@AyeAlba trust me mate you never missed anything on 2014 just the same old nonsense from a biased propaganda machine ,and anyway its to close to the fitba starting for you to have to buy a new telly after chucking it out the window in a fit of rage lol
Stu, If I was doing your PR, I’d make sure that on every occasion your name was used, the words ‘the brilliant’ should precede it. Yeh, I know, it’s not the kind of idea you would come up with, but that’s ‘cos you are much too grounded for that, but I was just saying like.
manandboy says:
12 June, 2014 at 3:06 pm
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Who the hell is Alan Barbour then?
Funny, the first interaction I’ve had with Susan Dalgety was on Twitter yesterday, where she was shrieking about abusive Yessers having women issues because they use the word cunt a lot.
I wonder what kind of issues she has, considering she compared those in the SNP to the Omagh bombers!
farrochie ?@farrochie
So from love-in with big hitters, big beasts, big guns and bruisers, media now cries out “Rhona, save us from abuse”. #indyref
According to Scottish conservatives living on planet zog
Salmond in chaos over future of key adviser. No mention of Ruthie’s chaotic FMQ’s
link to scottishconservatives.com
@ John J
My wife refuses to get involved in the debate since I’ve probably hacked her off with my telly shouting routine every time the news is on.
She is an undecided, however I was truly gob smacked when listening to the lies on Scotland 2014 and upon hearing me moan that this is so much one sided unionist crap, that she quietly stated…”reasonable people aren’t stupid you know”
@ Rev Stu, I assume the Gillette sponsorship deal has gone tetsup then ? 🙂
Oh look, Wings on the BBC, website and twitter, ordinary mum.
link to bbc.co.uk
And instead of squirrels did I hear Anna Burnside, rather than expressing an indy ref opinion, confess to saying ‘oh look a kestrel’, as her way of changing the subject.
We have produce some bloody awful lagers over the years.
The Herald, The Scotsman, The Evening Telegraph and STV News web sites all have reports on the man who was fined for sending anti-catholic abuse to a Yes campaigner. The BBC News site hasn’t mentioned it.
Ms Dalgety is a step up from Alistair Darling in terms of staying on point. Well done rev Stu for keeping cool and very clear.
I am pressing for Johann Lamont to be given a central role in making Ed Miliband PM. i’ve designed a three stage strategy:
1. Request David Cameron resign as PM
2. Request the Conservative party sack David Cameron as PM
3. Make speeches demanding the David Cameron resign or be sacked.
It’s a complex political strategy but I think we can do it.
The Herald, The Scotsman, The Evening Telegraph and STV News web sites all have reports on the man who was fined for sending anti-catholic abuse to a Yes campaigner. The BBC News site hasn’t mentioned it.
Then again, they’re probably busy.
bbc.co.uk/news/scotland/
Scottish independence: Salmond faces calls to sack adviser Campbell Gunn (updated at 15:04)
Scottish independence: Who is Campbell Gunn? (updated at 15:18)
Scottish independence: Salmond faces new calls to sack Gunn (58 minutes ago)
Timeline: Where did the Campbell Gunn row start? (updated at 14:54)
manandboy
That’s an idea, it worked for Marvelous Marvin Hagler. He changed his name to Marvelous as commentators weren’t adding it when discussing/introducing him. What about, getting your name change to, Brilliant Rev Stu
Abuse is like a river – the first thing to work out is –
which way is it flowing?
Independence is what the Yes campaign is trying to achieve.
The No Campaign is trying to stop that.
The Yes Campaign is focussed on Independence.
The No Campaign is focussed on the Yes Campaign.
The Yes Campaign presents the case for Independence.
The No Campaign attacks the Yes Campaign’s case.
The No Campaign attacks those in the Yes Campaign.
The No Campaign uses lies,smears,threats and warnings.
The Yes Campaign has no choice but to defend it’s case.
The flow of abuse is from the No to the Yes
The No Campaign is destructive.
The Yes Campaign is constructive.
Let’s be absolutely clear.
Scotland has a fundamental right to self-determination.
The No Campaign seeks to deny that right by maliciously interfering with it.
Abuse – a Unionist speciality.
Congratulations Rev on an excellent TV appearance. You made the important points and stayed on topic despite constant attempts to derail. Rona was definitely agitated about the Alistair Darling “blood and soil” reference. Here’s the link for any who missed it. link to archive.today
Talking of orchestrated attacks, the interview speculates on which famous author might step in for the NO camp:
“A problem for the No campaign is that it is not firing the imagination of writers and artists, those who can dream a nation into being. I cannot think of a single significant Scottish writer or historian who would rhapsodise about the British Union as Schama does. Instead, journalistic commentators such as Joyce McMillan and Pat Kane, and literary writers such as the Booker prizewinner James Kelman, Irvine Welsh, Alasdair Gray, Kathleen Jamie, James Robertson (the author of And the Land Lay Still, a favourite novel of Salmond’s and something of a sacred text for nationalists), the historian Tom Devine and many others have, through essays, columns, novels, books, film scripts and poems, created a national culture that is defined against England (or more specifically against London) and perceived English hegemony.
I mention some of this to Darling and wonder at the absence of support for his campaign from literary and cultural Scotland. He says I am wrong. So, a little unfairly, I ask him if he can name a prominent Scottish writer or artist who supports the Union. There follows an awkward silence before he replies, cryptically: “There will be one,” as if he is expecting a declaration of support any time soon from someone notable – J K Rowling, perhaps?”
And abracadabra! As if by magic, JK Rowling appears! Incredible.
And on Scotland’s positive future…
I know one North Sea Oil executive reasonably well, well enough, that is, to be able to call him most times of the day, or go for a drink with him.
Mention the alleged dwindling reserves of oil and he always begins with a glass cracking guffaw.
“There’s masses of the stuff, there for decades to come and longer. We’re investing billions every month because we know where it is and how much. It’s delusional for anybody to claim North Sea oil has almost run dry.”
And he continues …
“One of the main reasons I am voting Yes is because I know the wealth we have yet to harvest.”
link to bbc.co.uk
Its the BetterTogetherBBC Muppet Show! Its time to annihilate Scottish democracy, its time to save the rich, its time to sell project fear…
link to youtube.com
serious violence sao Paulo world cup
Oh my, someone used the C word to describe Labour ladies. She must have been really gutted at being labelled ….. a CONSERVATIVE 😉
JK Rowling abused by ‘Death Eaters’
“She said she is voting yes even though in the past she backed the Labour and labeled herself as not a fan of the coalition. The yes vote is the means of sticking it to David Cameron. For her, it was a form of patriotism that she will not understand.”
link to techsonia.com
Credit to you Mr Campbell for your dignified composure and points well made on the STV program.
Rather a strange response from Susan Dalgety in that interview. On just about every aspect of the discussion.
Glad to see you staying on subject, being erudite and focussed and demonstrating to us all how to hold a political conversation against a very hostile opponent.
Don’t call me a conservative! I worked for two years in London which was great but occasionally this might happen.
link to youtube.com
@bookie from hell
Sarah Smith is as neutral as a golf gti in 1st gear
Correct. Lets call a spade a spade. Her father was Leader of the British Labour Party, while her mother is presently sitting in the House of Lords. Gerry Hassan had this to say about her and Naughtie:
Both Naughtie and Smith have qualities. They also have deep Labour roots and backgrounds, and have not been immersed in the Scottish debate, having spent long periods living elsewhere. It is no secret and not a surprise that both have been known to express dismissive views of the SNP. Naughtie has done this several times since his arrival north, off air to BBC colleagues.
The bit where Susan Delgaty said “let me explain to you about how the media work in Scotland”. HAHAHA. Too funny.
BBC News – What does ‘Death Eaterish’ mean?
Harry Potter author JK Rowling has called some campaigners for Scottish independence “Death Eaterish”. What does she mean, asks Justin Parkinson.
“To use the D-word is pretty much as low as you can go in the Harry Potter fandom,” says expert John Granger. “It will really hit a nerve with JK Rowling’s fans. She is trying to get back at the people who say she’s not really Scottish and shouldn’t intervene in the debate.”
“Death Eaters are very unpleasant,” says Granger. “Their belief in bloodlines has, if not a racist, then at least a racialist idea behind it.”
“As much as I like and admire JK Rowling,” says John McRae, an English lecturer at Nottingham University, “as an insult it’s pretty alarming and referring to her own work does her no favours.”
link to archive.today
The New Statesman retracted the Darling interview? So that’s alright then? It sort of unhappened I suppose?
First @ Bugger(the Panda)
Thanks for that link. Interesting article, makes sense we can all acknowledge.
However, back to the tiresome little spat which set off the media.
As an ordinary member of the public. you can make your own opinion known. No harm in that, it is supposed to be a democracy. If say, Ms Lally as an ordinary member of the public, had said that the NHS was not safe if we voted Yes, we would still have said that she was misinformed and quite simply wrong. If someone in a political role says the same then it is more reprehensible since someone in the political establishment should really know better and is misleading the public.
It seems that we are not permitted to say that. So if Ms Lally says that black is actually white, we are not allowed to say so, because it is her opinion. Or she will go back to being an ordinary member of the public and beyond reproach for purveying something which is factually wrong.
One way to sort out folk like Susan Dalgety, call her out on her tactics at the start of any debate and ask the audience at the end if they had noticed in a joking but serious way.
Naughtie has done this several times since his arrival north,
Worst Naughtie BBC moment of his vote no camping, so far?
His no currency union triumph BBC in Scotland news blast and his endless crowing about the “widely respected” supersonic vote No OBR and IFS. He really believed he’d shut down Holyrood single handed.
What next from this deeply corrupt little character?
Mr Stuart. What a good, cool and precise collected presentation of the facts. I thought Rhona did well too. You held your line well, against the usual provocation from your adversary. We need to see and hear more of you on the tele/radio. If you get the time that is. Congratulations.
“let me explain to you about how the media work in Scotland”.
We tell them what to say, and they say it.
I was going to suggest a wee financial help for our own Lallands Peat Worrier who around midday today posted a plea to keep him supplied with pasta and sauce. A modest target on Indiegogo was obliterated in about 4hours.
Personally I love his quirkiness and just like our Rev Stu he has broadcast on BBC Radio Scotland. He would be grateful for a bottle of Chateaux Margaux 1971 to celebrate with
link to indiegogo.com
What i have been finding increasingly odd about the comments made in the New Statesman article and Alistair Darlings impression of Yes voters is that it seems almost as if the whole sorry episode was embargoed by Better Together or another similar group (Labour/Tories or another).
The New Statesman were happy to release the information initially, then backtracked after an intervention (Blair McD was instantly aware of the situation), NS made a poor excuse. When they tried to print the further text later again it was quickly changed and the audio was then released.
There is more to this interview than we are being told – either through pre interview conversation or other background as well as the reasons that this story has changed over time.
The BBC and STV seem to be unable to discuss further but I would hazard a well educated guess – along with some reading between the lines that just like some of the Westminster leaks there is more information that the MSN/press are aware of. Yet they are unable to report further……..to be continued.
@ Tam Jardine, Wings Nite Oot Edinburgh Newsroom 4th July
how far ur we fae the American Consulate ,an kin a set aff
some rockets in Celebration of Independance Day.
BTW, with or without rockets I’ll be there.
Stu does this mean ” you have arrived, on Wings!”
I have no doubt you will be a well kent face before this is over. You did very well, and with contained passion.
I am sure you will be requested again by the dark forces.
o/t
It would appear Graeme Pearson shadow justice minisyer is not flavour of the month. He has not been selected to stand as the candidate for the 2016 election.
A councillor of 2years standing has been chosen instead who just happens to be the son of Unites union’s political officer in Scotland
When local members recieved the candidates’ personal statements through the post Mr Pearson’s name did not appear. The corrected documents had to be re-issued before the vote last Sunday
@Adrian B, D notice in place perhaps.
Is it just me (probably) or is there something of the Orson Wells about the Rev in that image at the top of the article?
JK Rowling backs Alistair Darling’s holy war against Salmond.
“The author sides with former Labour Chancellor and pal, Alistair Darling, who runs the crusade“
link to entertainmentwise.com
“Scottish themed media” thankyou Mr Graham. What an amazingly simple and fantastic way of describing the :’#*- ????
Alistair’s crusading skills are legendary.
Darling unveils welfare ‘crusade’
The government will not shirk the “difficult decisions” as it tries to bring about radical reform of the welfare system, says Social Security Secretary Alistair Darling
He has already clashed with Labour backbenchers who forced concessions for asylum seekers and rebelled over attempts to cut benefits for single parents and the disabled.
link to news.bbc.co.uk
Benefit plan defended by Darling – Charities attack Government crusade
The Herald, Tuesday 29 June 1999
ALISTAIR Darling, the Social Security Secretary, was yesterday again at the forefront of the Government’s crusade to root out abuse in the benefits system as he vigorously defended a decision to reform housing benefit.
Mencap said it was ”extremely concerned” that the proposed changes to housing benefit were targeting the most vulnerable in society. Calling on the Government to reconsider its proposals, Mencap spokesman Brian McGinnis said: ”Benefit cuts which deny people access to housing do not constitute reform but are a denial of basic human rights.”
See what I mean (courtesy of a weel kent newspaper image library)
link to i.dailymail.co.uk
Rev, theres a wee white arra on your chest in that screen
photo,ah hud typed screen shot then chinged it tae photo.
Take good care when out & about.
If JK Rowling was Alistair Darling’s response to the New Statesman challenge about the Scottish writers on the side of Yes, then I think all the intellectual heavyweights are on our side.
@ronnie anderson,
D notice in place perhaps.
Yes or something incredibly similar.
Really good article by Robin McAlpine
Would be good to print and send to all households
link to bellacaledonia.org.uk
Rowling using her own art to attack Scottish yes voters only works if you’ve managed to get past the first chapter of her awful writing. But great artists have often used their work for politics, like Rowling’s Harry Potter and the shameless plagiarist, Solzhenitsyn and Gulag Archipelago, Guernica and Picasso etc.
Not been a great day for the better together/thanks but no thanks team,bad poll in the Daily Record, followed by their tennis player gubbed in the 3rd round of Queens. Oh dear! tee hee!!
Labour now claiming on twitter that the Referendum is about
Scotland against Alex Salmond.
Scotland needs you.
Scottish Labour @scottishlabour · 1h
This referendum is Scotland vs. Alex Salmond, and Scotland needs you: link to scottishlabour.org.uk … #Indyref #LabourNo
No are in dire straits with this stuff
So did JKR call us Nazi’s
A self referencing Godwin?
The scamp!
Jim Thomson says:
Jim, that is just eerie!
mandboy
It certainly seems that way. The private polling must be desperate. However, let them do it. I can’t but help think that it will backfire badly.
An article by Stephen Noon of Yes Scotland;
link to stephennoon.blogspot.co.uk
Get signing!
you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/independent-enquiry-into-bbc-bias-regards-scottish-independence-referendum?bucket=&source=twitter-share-button
Dalgety in the fine stairheid tradition of SLAB.
Apologies if anyone has already asked/answered this question, but is Ms Lally paid for any of her duties?
//you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/independent-enquiry-into-bbc-bias-regards-scottish-independence-referendum?
bucket=&source=twitter-share-button
@kendomacaroonbar
Watching last night for the fist time I was astonished at the obvious pro-union bias being shown by Smith but when it came to the interview with Tom Conti, the sight of two ‘London Scots’ smugly talking about a country neither have lived in for years (40 in the case of Conti) then that was enough. when Smith said (with her smirk) that “you don’t need a weather map to know that it’s raining in Auchtermuchty” then that was enough. I believe they are getting viewing figures of around 20,000; make that 19,999 from now on.
Rona Dougall is either a biased liar working for BT or she’s out of touch with debate and current events. She repeatedly covered up for Alister Darling, pretending he did not say that we were all blood and soil nationalists (a well known nazi term) at heart. New Statesman released the records showing that this happened. There is no denying this as fact. So is Rona a liar or unfit for her job? Isn’t it the job of her and her team to be informed on these events? It wouldn’t even require special effort in this case. She dismissed a very important example in this topic to bolster support and remove criticism for Labour.
I notice Rona also was seemingly happy to act as some sort of bizarrely naive person, taking everything Labour says or claims as absolute truth “Labour person x claims something/says they are something, so must be true” and using that as a counter argument repeatedly as if it was valid.
I don’t know why Susan Dalgety was being so aggressive with RevStu either. He was politely listening and giving her her time to speak and in turn she talked over him and was generally rude. The two have never even met before.
@ Nana Smith – Let me help you there
link to you.38degrees.org.uk
Clearly the BT campaign and unionist media have nothing positive to offer in this Independence debate, so the only thing they can do is drag the debate into the gutter so they can try to deflect their muck onto the Yes campaign. It is an absolutely disgraceful strategy that shows the unionist side for what they really are.
However, as long as the Scottish Government, the Yes campaign and supporters of Independence rise above the unionist sewer level, then it will only be a matter of months before we give Scotland the future that she deserves.
On the subject of Naughtie, Smith and some other ex-pat Scots. I do believe that there is a sort of inverted cringe about a few of them that would make them hate to see a successful independent Scotland. It would imply perhaps that their status of having ‘left Scotland behind’ was no longer valid and affirming.
@G Campbell
The BBC have mentioned it in the last hour hidden away in another article. Interestingly, the recipient of the abuse was David Kerr a former BBC employee and SNP candidate.
Jim Thomson – you need to replace the cigar, with say a finger of Twix, and it could indeed be an older version of oor Rev. 🙂
It really is quite staggering how clueless and petrified the unionist politicians and acolytes are about social media. For so long, they’ve had a free unchallenged rein over controlling their message through willing press outlets, and conducting campaigns through soundbites and TV studio fluff interviews.
But now, when their opponents stand up in large numbers on self-built platforms in a truly democratic fashion, expose their lies and hypocrisy, they get hysterical.
It reminds of the way they bundled out that old boy, Walter Wolfgang, out of the Labour party conference in 2005 for heckling. All that’s going on is electronic heckling – don’t think that’s illegal?
I’m sure if there was a way to get us kicked off Twitter, Facebook etc, their instinct would be probably to use it.
@Haggis,
Rona Doudall managed to run a pretty decent by all accounts interview with two people. I am sure that she wished to keep the conversation on topic and while I think her comments on Alistair Darlings New Statesman interview were incorrect the overall interview was of a reasonably high and acceptable standard.
Thanks …Archie [not Erchie]I didn’t want to put the https part in.
I think you will find that the Labour Party is also based in England, just like Wings .
Thanks @Nana for sharing that article by Robin McAlpine, it’s excellent. It also relates quite closely to what I wanted to say. I think that the JKR and Clare Lally items were totally orchestrated and what suprises me is how little real abuse they seem to have suffered.
I am not condoning online abuse in any way, one look at the BritNat Bot on Twitter details how vile much of this abuse is and a great deal of it is aimed, not at no supporters but at those who support yes. Anyone who spends any time online will see that for themselves. Despite the fact that the whole of the Scottish media will have been out scouting for it yesterday, there don’t seem to have been many examples shared. Where are these tweets that are too awful to be shared, even with certain words redacted?
There is horrendous behaviour on the internet. I know several intelligent and informed young women who are active in various forums online and have to hide their identities because of the rape threats and appalling misogenystic abuse that they recieve. Better Together (or whatever they have decided to call themselves now)are trying to cash in on this behaviour for the benefit of their woefully poor campaign. Anyone who has any experience of the Internet can easily see how manufactured their outrage is and I think that more and more people are becoming sickened by it.
People might give them the benefit of the doubt once,perhaps twice, but after that they will stop believing anything that they say. Perhaps, in fact, if the latest polls are correct, it has happened already
The No campaign have failed yet again. It wasn’t that long ago that Wings supporters were monstered as ‘cybernats’ doorstepped by the media, photographed and villified and all of them (apart from Stu of course) are ordinary people, one of those so-called cybernats is even the mother of a disabled child, where was the media outrage then? All of these people suffered far more than Miss Lally, or JKR who has her various secretaries and security guards to protect her. But what happened at the end of it all, was that the readership of Wings increased dramatically and has continued to do so ever since.
Stu held his own wonderfully yesterday, as did Iain McWhirter. They came across as reasonable and informed, unlike their opponents who quite simply ranted. So effective were they, that Stu, Patrick Harvie and Robin McAlpine seem to have been either edited or left out of the BBC programmes that they took part in altogether.
The BBC is beyond repair I believe as is the national press, and more people seem to realise that every day, it’s not just Indy supporters who have issues with the MSM. However, that means that people seek alternative places to seek information and, as we all know there are richly creative, informative and entertaining sites waiting for them.
Nice to see that the sectarian bigot and all round racist Cllr T Kelly is infesting the Herald comments and denying outright that the Weirs were ever abused by anybody. When will J Lamont take responsibility for the filth emanating from her members? See also A Gallagher BNP-Labour member for Largs.
@frankieboy
Ha ha, brilliant.
That would have been an amazing retort, but is worth remembering for the future.
@manandboy
#LabourNo
BEST HASHTAG EVER!
@ Nana Smith – Tiz ok. Its the YouTube links that you have to leave off the http// or https// indicator.
Nana I have just signed, husband did it a few weeks ago, thanks to all involved in supplying the link.
What I liked about Stu’s performance other than what he said was how he conducted himself.
He refrained from interrupting Dalgety and allowed her to speak.
This was a refreshing change from what we have come to expect in these debates, and will not have gone unnoticed by viewers.
Just thinking that yesterday was a wee bit like the classic game Worms(Armaggedon).
I can picture Big Blair getting aw excited shouting “Now throw the Sheep bomb…oh finish them with a Concrete Donkey” and jumping for joy when our wee men fall, only to be totally crestfallen when the screen then scrolls backwards and he sees loads more of our side laughing away armed to the teeth and prepared for hi-jinks!
Cue Tomorrows headlines
Cybernat calls online-posters Worms!
Thanks @Marcia for that Stephen Noon link. There is another good one from Ruth Wishart in the Guardian: archive.today/9lXu1
oops link to archive.today
If the Tram fiasco was anything to go by, this “directon of travel” is only headed up a dead-end
link to bbc.co.uk
Given the massive amount of air time given to this Clare Lally story and how she has been widely and ferociously attacked in the social media for just supporting Better Together, where is Alastair Darling? Johann Lamont seems to be the one raging at Salmond. Surely it should be AD? It would have been in past. Maybe his advisors need him to keep a low profile after his ‘blood and soil’ comments?
link to heraldscotland.com
Purely coincidence that these gruesome picture inducing stories appear side by side on BBC News listing
What does ‘Death Eaterish’ mean?
Man found eating Love rival’s heart
Just a wee thought, if any Winger ever manages to speak on air to Naughtie or Smith could they ask them “in the event of a NO vote would you move back to live in Scotland?”
O/T
I see Wee Ginger Dug has been busy with the crayons and come up with some excellent ‘No Thanks’ images which would make damn fine badges.
Great work WGD, with guys like you on our side I am really starting to look forward to our new country.
Thanks to guys like WGD i’ve decided to drop ‘_the_doubter’ from my name. I’m open to suggestions.
This lally thing just ponders on, backed by all the media.
I have no doubt this was an organised attack on the SNP and Cyber Scots at the same time.
Our Media is the pits, but we all know that,right!
Labour are a shambles and cannot forget the drubbing they got in the polls. Every Slab politician that is an interview is always similar in their poisonous talk.
I think the must go through the Slab school for nasty bastards, before they are let loose on the public.
@rab –
How about Agamemnon O’Flahherty?
I’ve been wrestling with my new laptop all afternoon and finally got round to watching this.
Go on yoursel Stu and what a daft old bag Dalgety is.
Is that abusive?
Ian,
Went to school with him, dont want him smeared as a cybervillain.
@Rab_the_Doubter
Howzabout Rabel Rouser or Rab_the_rouser ? 🙂
Want a laugh?
Stv 10.30pm, the awards for News reporters!!!
Must be a laugh, right!
Brilliant Rev. You always have more than ample reason to take the bait and bite, however, you stuck to the relevent details admirably. I defy any undecided voter watching that to think that Susan Dalgety was anything other than a ranting loony with no coherent argument.
More of the same please!
I’m sure that I had read in the past that JK Rowling was abused online by Harry Potter fans but a brief search via google didn’t find anything in the first page or two, and then I got a bit bored looking. However, I did find a page that states “IF ANY GOSPEL TRUTHS AND CHRISTIAN MORALS OFFEND YOU, THEN PLEASE LEAVE THIS SITE IMMEDIATELY.” on a site called God Hates Goths.
They have a page entitled “God Hates Harry Potter”. The first part of it provides more abuse for Ms Rowling in a few lines than anything I read from any pro-independence campaigner yesterday. Why wasn’t this headline news??
“JK Rowling abused by God-Fearing Christians” should have been on the front of every paper worldwide. Surely that’s a bigger story as there are many, many more of those god-fearing christians than there are cybernats. Surely?
link to godhatesgoths.com
Having read a wee bit of the site (while shaking my head at it), I think a job writing BetterTogether press releases may be in the offing for the author of the site, or at least Johann Lamont’s FMQ scripts.
Desdimond asked: What does ‘Death Eaterish’ mean?
It an unsavoury group of evil wizards from her children’s fantasy novels, a supremacist – hence Rowling insults as much as those she condemns of insulting.
Jim Sillars open letter
link to 1001campaign.com
Comments about London living Scots media careerists …
It takes a courageous person of high integrity to face up to his colleagues and associates who are his daily living and his social world.
Always a surprise to find one in London who claims they support greater democracy for Scotland and if that means autonomy so be it.
The closest I’ve heard such folk opine is, federalism is the answer, but they usually carry on to suggest regions of England be given the same status as if Scotland is a region too.
It’s a cop out doctrine, a false egalitarianism that spectacularly fails to address Scotland’s deficit.
Jim Sillars open letter
What a sadness to read something so far off the mark.
He’s the man who called the rest of us, ’90 minute patriots.’
Just to alert people of another new tactic, underwritten it seems by Newspapers, this was emailed to me.
link to uk-mg42.mail.yahoo.com?.partner=sky&.rand=5oahk4j3i1otc#mail
You know who the information is intended for of course, and forms one of their next attack.
8pm livestream event.
link to new.livestream.com
Iraq is spiraling out of control and the media and better together are still focusing on this nonsense.
The scottish public are beginning to notice and will hardly be very impressed. Our media is becoming even more of a laughing stock than usual.
Ref my last post, their unsubscribe link is disabled, thought they had to have that by law?
I watched that last night and felt sickened and ashamed at the fact that I used to vote Labour, never again.
Good job Stu.
Sillars Open Letter–Jim, do you know what a ‘false flag’ is? Can you prove, Jim, that any of this abuse you claim was made against JK Rowling or Clair Lally actually exists and that it actually came from YES supporters?
Think, Jim. Think.
Jim Sillars says MI5 are working in Scotland right now but I wish people like Sillars would just say where they are and what they’re doing. If an MI5 spook pretending to be a Yes voter is online abusing Rowling or Lally, they’re not doing it very much.
At the very least, MI5 will be doing what spooks always do, watching for any serious trouble, taking out trouble makers etc. Why would they waste their time doing much more with the whole of the uk media attacking Scottish democracy?
“Are you so naive, that you never think that perhaps MI5 and special branch are taking a role in this campaign? As their function is protection of the British State, they would not be doing their jobs if they were not.”
On STV news, Better Together are delivering their wee blue book to every household at the end of the month, the Secretary of State for anywhere but Scotland, Alistair Carmichael, posed at a post box and smiled, as he popped their book containing 24 reasons to vote no in it.
Seen the new poll results on Newsnet – looking good! Maybe the cause of more abuse to come!!!!!
Is the Jim Sellars thing for real? Who is he talking about?
In other news, Anas Sarah tweets that the referendum is “Scotland vs Alex Salmond”!
It’s like some parallel universe.
Sarah = Sarwar, obviously.
@Nana Smith, Thanks Nana/Erchie, for the link Just signed.
Someone should obviously ask Sarah Smith on scotland 2014 tonight if she considers being related to the late Labour leader John Smith as an insult.
The Open Letter by Jim Sillars should be widely read and its wise message taken to heart by all Yes supporters. I’m sure he wasn’t having a pop at anyone on this site. It was addrssed to all supporters with access to the internet, a few of whom have let themselves and our cause down by sending abusive comments to prominent No campaigners. Please, let’s leave the nasty stuff to our opponents.
You did well there Rev … could have cracked a smile at the end though 😀
After his onscreen battle, Iain Macwhirter brings this to the fore about McTernan and his wicked ways …
link to abc.net.au
Okay, who has seen the English (free) edition of The Sun today? Is it the same as the Scottish edition? The Sun published a free edition in England which is a celebration of all things English, nothing nationalistic about it honest guv’nor. Headline ‘This is our Engtland’ ‘free histoic edition for 22 million homes’ with montage of everyone from The Queen to Nigel Farage, Jessica Ennis to Harry Potter, about 100 faces on the front page. Then we have 24 pages of celebrating everything that is England including mock front pages of the Sun recording historical events such as 1066 through to Oliver Cromwell and both world wars (for English views only). It’s bright, cheery and celebrates all that is good about England (not nationalistic in any way though).
We have columnists Andrew Corden with a St George Cross painted face (not nationalist) and Tony Parsons who says ‘No one else on the planet comes close to our genius’ that’s the heading of his piece by the way (not nationalist in any sense). Plus there is a free flag giveaway promo (white with a red cross) in Tesco’s courtesy of The Sun, and of course it wouldn’t be an England-fest without our favourites Jeremy Clarkson and Katie Hopkins (lovable but not nationalistic though).
Was there a Scottish version today with a free flag you can get in Tescos?
Brilliant interview.
If that ‘book’ is being delivered by registered BT activists then it has got to be counted as part of their funding allowance. I resent having donatrd against my will to this propaganda.
At no point did Susan concede that Labour was at fault to misrepresent who Clare Lally is. I also find it highly disappointing that Clare herself is deliberately perpetuating this story that she was attacked by Gunn.
She, knowingly, misrepresented herself too. That, in my opinion, makes her untrustworthy.