The Great British Success Story
Posted on
August 12, 2014 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
This isn’t a spoof. We checked.
It was posted on the “Better Together Aberdeenshire” Facebook page by Scottish Conservative activist Stewart Whyte, who teaches history at Aboyne Academy.
It’s an instructive insight into the No campaign’s mindset. Foodbanks aren’t a problem to be solved, a shameful blight on a rich society, but an acceptable, “enriching” norm to be pleased about. We don’t think any more needs to be said.
The reason there are NO posters/banners around Aberdeenshire is Burnett who owns half of it and is married to a relative of the Queen. An ok guy but a complete landowning Tory. This sentiment is not a reflection of the local populous. The majority will still vote YES. The teacher should be sacked.
Did anybody else notice that the woman on the Inverness panel, in response to a no voter’s question/comment called him by his first name? Coincidence that she knew him? Aye I am paranoid.
Lesley-Anne: I think you are close with your suggestions there Achnababan except your suggestion will be missing. Trident will NOT be negotiable, it WILL be gone by 2020 provided there is an SNP government returned to Holyrood…
I agree – I should have said the timescale for removal of Trident would be negotiable!
I received this email from Livestream,
“Yes Kirkintilloch, Lenzie & Villages”
“Wed Aug, 13 2014 7:30PM — Wed Aug, 13 2014 9:00PM.”
No more details are on the email.
Does anyone have anymore information on this meeting tonight.
We need to get these meetings packed out with the undecided voters in the Kirkie area.
What Westminster offers Scotland in not democracy but plutocracy, where the wealthy rule.
It will be interesting to see what history makes of this history teacher… (I should live so long…!)
@Lesley-Anne says:12 August, 2014 at 11:58 pm:
“FINALLY Calgacus, Danny Alexander tells the TRUTH!”
Perhaps somene has reminded Danny of the old Scottish saying, “Honest men dinna cairy salmon under thir coats”.
Lesley-Anne says
“Jim Murphy and his gang of dumbledorks!”
Is that no a group?
link to youtube.com
caz-m says”“We’d rather have a Panda than a Prince”. (Tartan Army Song).
I think it should be called “Independence”
Why dont we ask Ricky Ross?
link to youtube.com
Lesley-Anne says
“Well to be fair to Westminster Jim they do need every penny they can get hold of you know. I mean what with their two, cheap at half the price, aircraftless aircraft carriers still in production, Cross Rail and everything else they need to find the money from somewhere don’t they? Who better to step up to the plate and *ahem* offer to fill the financial gap but the poor, ill, infirm, disabled, elderly, jobless, low paid. I mean they get money and what on earth do they do but squander it needlessly on irrational things like light, heating and food. Who on earth do these people think they are for gawd’s sake? ”
Thats it,
stop right there,
get that on a billboard!
Desimond @ 5.17
!
No words required.
Nana Smith says
“Anyone believe this…”
Show me the money!
link to youtube.com
Jim MacIntosh says
“O/T anyone understand this, or where it comes from, just noticed someone link to it on YES Scotland page.”
Sounds like bluster to me, or someone who hasnt a clue what he/she is talking about,
Anyway good luck taking THAT argument to the ICJ
Donald anderson says
“Fat pig.”
Skinny get.
Faltubh says
” I’ve no doubt that most posh folks and English will vote no.”
Im not so sure about that Faltubh
driving around (which we do a lot of) my navigator ( the wife) has made a point of counting and noting where she sees yes posters and flags, and the bulk of them are to be found (at least where we go) in/on private homes, so homeowners/middle class are not at all more likely to vote no ,well not in my opinion anyway.
One person is putting up all the 200 – NO signs, and complaining if they are vandalised.
An abuse of privilege.
Good debate last night ,apart from “Mrs Undecided ” .
Too tired to watch Andre Neil and his buddies – may catch up tomorrow ,may not bother.
Cameron , I have never had success with cling film .Apart form swearing at the roll when attempting to use the stuff the best I have ever achieved was polythene string. Much like my success rate with super glue ,which finds fingers stuck , object to be stuck free as the proverbial bird.
Regarding my insanitary keyboard I may have to employ a mouse , of the wee brown variety , to fill its boots with the remnants of pastries and chocolate bars.
Andrew Neil’s programme last night didn’t highlight any effects of a Yes for rUK we didn’t know. However, two thing stood out for me.
The establishment, the London Bubble, the folks down south … just don’t think it will happen. A Yes win and the end of the UK is simply beyond their mindset.
And, secondly, the arrogance and ignorance towards Scotland they are quite content to express openly is astonishing.
Scotland needs a YES for Scotland!
But, there’s a bit of me which wants a Yes win just to watch the reaction from down south
This was sent to me by friends in England. Did Danny Alexander say the NHS was not being sold off…..
link to unionstogether.org.uk
Andrew Neil is a charlatan and a liar. A complete Thatcherite. Do not trust him. He recycled the lies for years.
This is worth a look.
link to derekbateman.co.uk
link to lril.oxfordjournals.org
Marr feigns ignorance to make a point and attack Yes. She is a proud Brit who is perfectly comfortable with foodbanks in Scotland, 1 in 5 Scottish children in poverty, Trident and bonkers economics.
@Dorothy Devine says: 13 August, 2014 at 8:16 am:
<b."Regarding my insanitary keyboard I may have to employ a mouse , of the wee brown variety , to fill its boots with the remnants of pastries and chocolate bars.
The solution, Dorothy, is to get a tiny wee battery operated Computer Vacuum thingy from a computer shop. The benefit is that the vac won’t breed, steal your cheese or crap all over the house.
@Marcia
Baxter Park
There was a million/billionare yacht in Aberdeen Harbour. The head of Aker on a visit. Opening new offices, in Aberdeen/shire. Rent £1.7 million a year.
Think.
Q. What subject will no Better Together politician speak of?
Q. Which single revenue source is a sine qua non – vital to Westminster/the City for currency, interest and credit rating but also for economic/political status?
Almost the entire No campaign has been a squirrel,
To take the country’s attention away from the one thing
which Cameron & Osborne hold dearest but which they nor anyone
else ever discuss.
Oil.
The Yes Campaign simply MUST get OIL onto the most talked about list.
wow. just wow.
Just received my voting leaflet from the EC. The no thanks statements are a pack of lies. I wonder how easily this may worry older folks who do not have access to the truth.
I am disgusted.
Over on the Herald the Yes commentators are trying to counter the No side who are denying any sell off in the NHS. I am not registered to comment so perhaps someone on here could add these links to the comments.
link to unionstogether.org.uk
link to nhsforsale.info
After Andrew Neil last night there was another programme and the interviewer spoke to Mike Small and someone else. I found the other person, a young woman whose name I did not catch, a bit strange. It is almost as if there is a Labour school of how to attack your opponent. Rather than engage with any debate she treated each element as an opportunity to attack Yes/SNP/Salmond. It was almost robotic and it could have been an android channelling Lamont or Bailey. I was particularly struck by this when they discussed Salmond’s comment at the informal book event in the festival that both sides stretch the truth. Both the interviewer and Small thought it refreshing candour and the Labour person immediately latched onto it as disingenuous Machiavellian politics. I find this “attack whatever the issue” profoundly shallow and depressing. I am sure she will go far in New Labour.
If you want to protect your keyboard. £3.95 from a well known online bookstore.
Universal Silicone Keyboard Protector Skin for Laptops Notebooks 15″ 15.6″ 16″ 16.4″ 17″ 17.1″ 17.3″ inch 367mm*143mm
Our ruling elite in London do think Scotland will vote no. Their task now is how to keep devolution under their complete control and dilute it.
They can’t close Holyrood but they will remove power from Holyrood, probably by building on their devo for big UK cities schemes. If labour get in 2015 it’s going happen faster but in 10 years Holyrood will have same power as Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow.
Watch BBC liggers, pressurise Scotland, eg your NHS is shite but local NHS for local people works is their kick off leverage. Making Police Scotland all one force is probably a reaction against it all.
Social Attitudes Study,
“THE latest Scottish Social Attitudes survey found support for a Yes vote increased from 36 per cent to 39 per cent during the last 12 months, while No support fell from 64 per cent to 61 per cent, excluding undecided voters.”
Prof John Curtice is involved in this survey (surprise surprise) and he is telling us nearly two thirds of Scots are happy to vote for more of the same. Those 61% of NO voters don’t half hide it well, don’t they.
And we are seemingly feeling more British as well.
I think you need to get out of the house more John and stop being so patronising.
Meet the Scotcen team who came up with all these fascinating results.
link to scotcen.org.uk
manandboy,
Absolutely.
A less technical precis of William Cameron McLaughlin’s, ‘Scottish Atlantic Margin Oiland Gas: The Game Changer’ with a graphic of current drilling would open the eyes of a lot of people.
I have printed out copies of these pages:
link to gov.uk
link to gov.uk
link to gov.uk
Which show the blocks put up for sale this year. Interesting to note and clearly a policy decision, that they call it all the North Sea.
Quite frankly the maps look like a fire-sale. Lets flog as much as possible while we can still get the money for it!
missing posts, try again without the link:
Have a look at Munguin, and a BT tweet on postal voting tactics. I know nothing they do should surprise us but…
I would not be surprised if you cut the Scotcen team in half if they had UKOK running through them.
if it is a No
the only change of powers coming to scotland will be the removal of the right to hold any more referendums
the edinburgh agreement set a precedent
if it is a No
a resurgent SSP will split the labour vote in glasgow
the SNP will win big in the 2015 GE
The SNP and SSP will win the 2016 HE
another referendum in 2017, 2 referendums if the torys win the 2015 GE
this fight is not over
There are also similar maps of the actual North Sea blocks available in the same licencing round.
Macart @ 8.24.
re-Oxford Journals, I particularly like the phrase;
‘The first partner has become the last colony.’
link to scotlandscensus.gov.uk
Page 9, Q 15!
Muscleguy
Thanks – in the Maryfield ward.
Quite frankly the maps look like a fire-sale. Lets flog as much as possible while we can still get the money for it!
Scottish Fracking licences too. No point in leaving Scotland without creating havoc, constitutional havoc, big energy co havoc etc and if they do chicken out, hey ho! Rule Britnatia
Propaganda for BetterTogether via Guardian
link to theguardian.com
“But the study, widely seen as the most authoritative of its kind, found voters are increasingly seeing themselves as both British and Scottish, as attitudes changed during the campaign. The number seeing themselves as Scottish as opposed to British fell to 65% – the lowest level found by the SSA since 1979, when it stood at 56%.”
Fact
link to nrscotland.gov.uk
Sixty-two per cent of people felt Scottish only, 18 per cent felt both Scottish and British and two per cent felt they were Scottish in combination with some other identity.
Have a good feeling that the Scot Gov is now making its move, with powerful YES arguments appearing in the papers this morning over the NHS protection and welfare and benefits. With the implosion of beaker and his pound scare last night, the currency thing will only get weaker.
I would hazard a guess that folk will have a greater attachment to their NHS than anything else, but the lies of NO will need to be countered that it will be safe under Westminster.
Another good story is the emergence of a powerful Farmers for YES lobby and also the Bateman story regards the 1707 union.
Feeling upbeat after last weeks bludgeoning by the papers.
News about the Clair field is beginning to slip out
link to bbc.co.uk
In the Salmond/Darling debate Salmond said an independent Scotland would be using the pound at least 30 times.
Could someone, (very loudly), ask him how the post independence Kingdom of England Parliament proposes to prevent Scotland the use of Sterling? Either that or write the question upon a bit of cardboard as Blair seems to have lost his hearing aid.
Heedtracker,
Given the sale of fracking licences, I think the first power to be repatriated in the event of a no vote, would be planning permission.
Without planning consent the fracking licences are worthless. Similarily, the decision on where to create a nuclear waste dump was delayed until later this year.
@Ronnie While it’s a nice phrase, it’s not true. We in Wales will still be a colony after you (hopefully) get your independence.
@Robert Peffers says: 13 August, 2014 at 10:21 am:
That should have read : –
In the Salmond/Darling debate Salmond said an independent Scotland would be using the pound at least 30 times.
Could someone, (very loudly), Blair McDougal how the post independence Kingdom of England Parliament proposes to prevent Scotland the use of Sterling? Either that or write the question upon a bit of cardboard as Blair seems to have lost his hearing aid.
sign of things to come? not if we vote yes.
“Labour will be tougher than Tories on benefits, promises new welfare chief”
link to theguardian.com
@caz-m
link to new.livestream.com
cearc says:
“I think the first power to be repatriated in the event of a no vote, would be planning permission.”
I think that planning is one of the powers taken back by WM in the Scotland Bill. At work now, so don’t have time to find it.
Are we in for a RUN of good jokes & SATIRICAL comments ie
John H, with his 3.95 keyboard protector,
Robert Peffers, advice to Dorothy Devine a keyboard hoover,
CLINGFILM you,s lot are the ruination of our cultural image.
Bloody MEAN SCOTS, nae mair ah say, nae mair.
Ah fugoat aboot being THRIFTY
Robert Peffers, I have a hearing aid which I am not using do you think I should forward it to Blair, it did not help me but then my Tinnitus gets in the way but it might make things clearer for him. He will have to pay the postage but then he has all these wee donations to help.
The Scottish Gov should be saying to those Fracking companys there will be a Recall of all Licences issued during this period.
UK gov slash & burn policy, I would have used another word but I would incur the wrath of the Rev.
Ronnie, I like to feed the wildlife so any mouse who can get the pickings off my keyboard is welcome. It will also keep the dug fed.
@Ronnie
Yeah, that put a smile on my face too.
@Helena Brown feeding the moose with crumbs is ok, but am a bitty concerned wie that bit aboot keeping the dug fed,care to expand.
cynicalHighlander
Kirkintilloch Meeting tonight,
Cheers for livestream link, but there is no detail of where the meeting is being held.
@ Macart smiles we do in abundance, better than soor puss lot on BT site, Helena am sorry ah brought a cat into the site hide the moose
You can’t be serious? They are actually saying that foodbanks are normal? I’m sorry but proper and decent compassion would come from making sure foodbanks aren’t needed. Making sure that people have what they need, when they need it.
@caz-m & cynicalHighlander
“no detail of where the meeting is being held.”
What? There’s options in Kirkintilloch?
re; personal independence payments (PIP), “Benefits blow: Study reveals that cruel Con-Dem cuts will slash £100m off sick and disabled.” Scotshttp://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/benefits-blow-study-reveals-con-dem-4042856
this is on top of the £1.6bn+ pa already removed from the sick and disabled in scotland, as vox political reveals; “Cumulative effect of welfare reform revealed – deprived areas hit much harder than the rich.” then there are the 900000/yr sanctions that affect those on jsa/esa alike. foodbanks are hardly a story of success, but a story of slashing benefits without showing a shred of humanity.
Contact details.
link to independencelive.net
I just watch them because they do us all a great service running around all over the place and recording them.
These folk as well.
link to referendumtv.net
http://batemanbroadcasting.com
Heedtracker – I see what you mean about page 9 Q 15 in the document below. How can they extrapolate whether you are Scottish or British if both options are included in the same q?
link to scotlandscensus.gov.uk
Ronnie, we’re canny Scots.We know a bargain when we see one.
Thank you Robert , John and Ronnie – I had a wee hoover Robert but it had nae sook , I take your point about the wee rodent , I think Helena’s dug is a better bet!
Anyway you’ve made me splutter a pineapple cake this time and I may have to lick the keyboard myself.
Do they have any in Norway?
@Marcia
Yes, most of the group headed into the houses south of the Arbroath Rd. I think we were the only ones doing the north side.
FWIW – I’m late to the thread but it strikes me that the example of Smallpox could be used as a response to arguments such as those of Stewart Whyte.
At one time in the not so distant past, Smallpox was considered an everyday threat for those living in a European country. Did everyone just accept that and learn to put up with Smallpox? No. Scientists worked tirelessly to eradicate it for good. One foodbank is one foodbank too many.
@ronnie anderson
The power of positive waves ronnie.
Well said Wee Jimmy.
Helena Brown says:
Tinnitus
Neck exercises works for many. Nipped nerve?
No more sommersaults in the 4 poster for you, I am afraid.
Foodbanks & Welfare State event Thu 14th from Westerton Hall, Bearsden, Glasgow starting at 7:30pm. Julie Webster (Greater Maryhill Foodbank), Denis Curan (Loaves & Fishes Foodbank), Michelle Thomson (chair – MD Business for Scotland) and more on panel.
If you can please attend event and have your say, or tune into out LIVESTREAM and send us your questions.
More details on our website: independencelive.net
There is a point here though. Whilst food banks are unfortunate it is better that they exist rather than they do not. They help the current failing but what is to say any future government would not fail the people. Good that people remain compassionate and better that politicians state how they will change things.
Sure – but the counter-point is that they shouldn’t HAVE to exist in the first place. I’m quite sure if the foodbanks were no longer required, the excellent people who operate the foodbanks would still contribute to their community just as tenaciously. There are always social injustices that need righting.
Does anyone know how many foodbanks we have in Scotland? I’m finding it hard getting an actual figure somewhere
Thanks in advance