Wings Over Scotland

Great drawing, you captured Mundell’s glaikit face perfectly.

What’s with the left handed driver?

Excellent Chris, covers it very well.

Can you find Cairnstoon Hamish…?

Click to enlarge.

For all his faults and their are many- Trump will recognise Mundell for the snivelling wee suck up toadie that he is, straight away. Seriously, why is he even meeting him? Supposedly representing the ‘uk’ Government in Scotland or some such rubbish. I do not doubt Mundell literally pleaded to be ‘allowed’ to take part in the Trump visit, and, rather than be allowed to participate down in London at the proper ceremonies, was told, he could get to meet trump, up in Scotland for a few minutes afterwards. F*****g pathetic.

Honestly, in all history if you ever wanted to find a true weasel of a man, then many might think they have found him in Mundell. Zero personal integrity, zero self respect. A nothing man. A truly pathetic excuse for humanity. happy to sell out Scotland for his masters in England.

With any luck fascist Trump will take him home with him to the USA as a pet lapdog or whipping boy.

I saw a placard in George Square yesterday, “Trump has shit hair”

Robert Louis, the picture you conjure for me is from ‘Aliens from Mars’ (very hi brow me) when the ‘lap dug’ ends up with his head on the body of a wee jappy dog 🙂

(sorry folks this is a pretty old niche kids’ film ref but hey it fits!)

Beautiful, Chris.

Spot-on.

@Thepnr says: 14 July, 2018 at 7:15 am:

” … What’s with the left handed driver?”

Aiblins yon Trump gadgie mun bi corrie jukkit, (Perhaps that Trump fellow may be left handed).

BTW: the term Corrie derives from the large Borders Family Carr who were predominantly left handed.

Spiral staircases in their Borders seat homes were built left handed. The reason being that if they had to defend the fortified dwellings the right handed spiral staircases would be a handicap to their use of swords in their left hands but being built left handed they were a handicap to the attackers.

Robert Louis puts it beautifully. Fluffy is the epitome of the crawling weasel. All he will show Trump is the weakness in some Scots.
He (Trump) will do well to not underestimate the resolve of the majority of us.
Great cartoon such a laugh.

Captured Trump’s ‘Mussolini expression’ perfectly!

And there oor wee Hamish keekin owr the bankin’.

Ian McCubbin says:
14 July, 2018 at 8:34 am
Robert Louis puts it beautifully. Fluffy is the epitome of the crawling weasel. All he will show Trump is the weakness in some Scots.
He (Trump) will do well to not underestimate the resolve of the majority of us.
Great cartoon such a laugh.

Agreed. Remember when Spitting Image depicted David Steel as a sycophantic toady for Michael Owen? By some accounts the depiction destroyed his credibility and ended David Steel’s career, but you’d have to wonder how Spitting Image would depict the likes of Mundell.

Breeks

Good point re Spitting Image. It was great in the 80s with Thatchers cabinet. Theres a massively richer vein of material to mine now. Would love to see them do it again

Breeks, @ 8.54 am there are no levels of degradation to which our Brit Nat Uncle Tom politicians won’t stoop for money.
Mundell’s latest public grovelling to the New World Order does inspire us to literary comparisons.

Uriah Heep Dicken’s sycophantic arsehole, wringing his’wery ‘umble’ hands and bowing to his betters, for money and the promise of elevation to the Elite Club.

Mundell is Lewis Carroll’s slythy tove in ‘Jabberwocky’.

Like the modern day not very talented Dim But Nice Tory Boys,he will do anything for money no matter how humiliating, or insulting to our country in the eyes of his fellow Scots.

Like Gorgeous George before him who crawled on hands and knees in a pink leotard lapping up milk from a saucer, or Kezia fucking off to the jungle to drink penis wine for dosh when she was supposed to be serving the citizens of Scotland, or Mum 2B Davidson whoring herself on TV shows, Mundell, with astonishingly little skills or basic human qualities is used by May and the London Elite to act as this megalomaniac’s batman and gopher.

Tories will do anything for money except serve the people of Scotland.
A Master Class in Arse licking and defeat.

‘Mars Attacks!’

That was the film where Fuffily Mundelly ended up with his head on a wee dug’s body.

Abulsag, you are so wrong.

Nicola Sturgeon is showing the world it IS possible to be true to your beliefs and to have integrity, even in the highest positions in politics.

Abulhaq

I had this concern after he was elected and thought nicola was unwise to have made the comments she did before he was elected.
however, nicola spoke out very clearly saying that sometimes you need to stand up for what you believe in.

with hindsight, i think she was and is right. principles matter.

wrt trump, making an enemy of the most powerful person in the world is not something you do lightly, but i dont think trump coming out against indy scotland will lose us any votes. he has become a figure of fun, if anything, i’m betting the unionist hope he keeps schtum. he is now a liability and a vote loser

NS is damned if she dose and damned if she doesnt meet him.

I am guessing damage limitation wins the day with a no meet, but it doesnt have to be done discourteously, i think she is on the money with this one – again.

does

fat fingers, wee phone!

You get to choose your politics in an Independent country:

We don’t have different politics in Scotland we only have one, either you’re for Scotland or you’re for the UK and anything inbetween is a pretendy excuse for being a British Nationalist

The folk who start discussions with *I would support Independence but* usually followed by references to Nicola Sturgeon or finance or *the future in doubt* are just making up excuses to buy themselves time to come up with their own reason to convince you to buy into the UK status quo because you either believe a country should be run by itself or you don’t, whoever is in charge of that country at any given time would be a matter for the people of that country to vote on when you’re a proper country like every other country

The counter argument for the UK is simply you don’t want the people of your own country to have a meaningful vote thereby denying democracy, because to believe in the UK version is to believe that England by right should maintain a voting ratio of ten to one over Scotland in perpetuity thereby always, always denying Scotland a legitimate say on anything, and that’s dictatorship in anybodies language

Big countries with military ambitions always want to be bigger and will happily absorb every other country they can if they think it’ll make them more powerful or even seem more powerful and those bigger countries will always tell the smaller countries they would be doomed to penury or violent destruction without their larger protectors being the benevolent dictators that they are, but when you take a look around the world you see that the only people doing the destroying are those bigger countries by gobbling up everything in sight and then sucking them dry to feed the original big country

Where does it end? well it ends by telling the big country with it’s military showy offy ambitions NO I’ll join up with a whole load of other countries who don’t subscribe to that idea thanks and in the case of Scotland there’s 27 of them just across the water and a whole bunch of them to the north of us as well across another bit of water who don’t want to take us prisoner and threaten us with all that unpleasant stuff, and I know there are is the argument of defence that the British Nationalists always come back to but I have to counter that one by saying the future of defence isn’t a big bomb or a big gun anymore, get with the program, the future of defence is a bunch of laptops and a bunch of geeks

I think the most inventive country in the world, Scotland, has both and I’m very confident in my children and grandchildren to continue to make that so, whereas left to much of my generations apathy we really would be doomed

It’s not a risk it’s an adventure…….. Vote YES

@Robert Peffers 08:26 “the term Corrie derives from the large Borders Family Carr who were predominantly left handed”.

That’s interesting I hadn’t heard that one, I always thought it came from the much older Gaelic “cearr, left or wrong hand”.

Truly brilliant Chris 🙂

Marker Post at 7.45

Saw this from Des Clarke this morning “Trump flies up to Scotland on Hair Farce One.”

Anent the Tangerine Tube’s visit to Scotland. In the lead-up BBC Shortbread showed clips from President Eisenhower’s weekend visit to his apartment in Culzean Castle.

That apartment was given to Ike, for his use during his lifetime, in thanks for his work as Supreme Allied Cmmander in WWII. As such it was as much his property as Trump Turnberry is the current POTUS’s property.

But, the then Secretary of State for Scotland was not ordered down there to greet Ike, and, of course, we didn’t have a First Minister then.

He was left to get on with it and pretty-much left alone apart from the obligatory photo-ops for the press.

That visit was before Dallas, after which security around POTUS was ratched-up several notches, but, at the end of the day, in both 1959 and 2018, the presidential visits to Ayrshire were private affairs, so why all the kerfuffle.

A 30-vehicle motorcade FFS, he could have got off Air Force One waved to the crowd, got onto Marine One and been at Turnberry in less time and with a lot less fuss and bother.

Of course, unlike Ike, who was a simple soldier, accepting the call to serve his nation, the Tangerine Tube has an ego the size of Alaska and wants the world to know He’s Da Man.

Had to drive to Monkton to pick up a pup for the Mrs, what a waste of money Traffic Cones every 10/15yds & Police on 12 hour shifts to protect his plane /helicopters ect.

BTW Police Scotland your officers are exposed to the SUN no shelters , wee Gizbo’s would come in handy should that Muppet come back to Scotland .

a carrier bag is more useful than this bag carrier

High Heid Yins such as the Tangerine Tube have to meet and greet so-many people in the course of a day, they cannot possibly know who is next up for the formal handshake and maybe, if they are lucky, the picture.

So, they have jobsworths ready to whisper in their ear, something like: “The small lady in the big hat, carrying the hand bag, she’s the Queen of England, has been for 66-years; she’s met 11 previous Presidents, so be nice Mr President.”

Wonder what was whispered in his ear when he looked out of the window of Air Force One and saw the Viceroy waiting for him.

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Folk are being too hard on Fluffy, it’s not every day you get promoted from teeaboy to bag lady.

Great toon Chris. 🙂

On leaders?

Personally? I’m good with the FM we’ve got. 🙂

O/T 51st Highland Division

For those interested Sunday 8pm channel 4 tells the story of the capture of the 51st HD at St Valery during the Dunkirk retreat.

More Scottish soldiers sacrificed for the greater westminster good, told by the soldiers that were their.

Terrific cartoon. Sums it up so well.

O/T

Marches in Catalonia today to demand freedom for politicians jailed by the Spanish Fascists.

Despite all that is going on here we should spare thought for our friends in Catalonia.

Disgraceful situation continues over there.

For anyone who may be asking
About Attending a Service For
Mitch,, There will be no service
Just a Celebration of his Life
Mitch Organized his Own End of Life
Arrangements, He did not want any
Fuss, No speeches No nothing
Only For people to Have a Celebration
of his Life, All he asked for Was
Chris the Piper to Play
Flowers of the Glen for him
And Elaine Page’s Memories,
So we would Appreciate that Everyone
Honor his Wishes, And Please
Come help Celebrate his Life
And his Commitment To Indy

I was a wee kid in primary school when we were ushered down to the North Deeside Road to wave our wee Union Jacks to Ike and the Queen as they were driven past on their way to Balmoral.

Changed days indeed, in so very many ways. Not least, though, in the character of presidents.

I don’t know about protocol, but an intelligent and astute Pres would surely have jumped at the chance to meet that very interesting political character and pleasant person, our FM. How better to get a grasp of what’s going on here from someone at the very centre of things? “Meet-and-greet”, isn’t that what the visit is supposed =cough= to be all about?

It’s a mark of the man that he would rather play golf with that useless nobody, Fluffy, and whatever other fawning acolytes he can muster.

(Oh, and BTW, “Toom Tabard” was an outright insult, not a faint compliment.)

People can come across the Royals accidently on Deeside. Just by coincidence passing by, frequently in the area. The protection squad hardly noticed. Recognised by the short haircuts and the shiny shoes. Barbours and pinstripe suits.

The Police have gone totally over the top. Trump came in and out of Scotland with hardly any notice. He is just one person. Now with an entourage of hunners. What a carry on. The jet is at Aberdeen airport. (Sons) Two globemasters flew into Scotland. Full of navy seals. They might have a swim among the eyesore turbines. If yer dinae laugh yer would greet. Up pops the whales.

Nicola’s off on the other March. Already on the Calendar schedule.

ronnie anderson @ 14:22,

There is a fine war memorial at St.Valery, Ronnie, War Graves Commission or no. It’s on the bluff to the NE overlooking the town.

Also, a couple of years back when the Tour de France cycle race was passing through, on the coast nearby there was another monument (to a sunken French navy ship, I seem to recall) consisting of a ship’s gun and three flagpoles, one each flying the Tricolore, the Union Jack and the Saltire. The English commentators (or course) hadn’t an earthly as to why the third.

But the French locals had clearly not forgotten.

Thomas @1:59pm

link to collinsdictionary.com

I think both are correct. You would have noticed the WE in my earlier post. I am a Kerr, and the stairs are left handed. I am left footed but right handed as is my daughter, but I have a left handed son. Probably just coincidence but I like to think otherwise.

If you notice the reference above then it suggests that ker means left handed. I think this is probably a llalands spelling version of the Gaelic as at some point Gaelic was spoken in the borders and further south too. Gaelic was largely erased in the borders and the central belt probably as an aftermath of Culloden, don’t hold me to that though, Mr Peffers might have more info.

We met some Americans in Scotland on a long dreamed for holiday. Their surname was Kerr, whose ancestors had come from the borders. My mother said to Mr Kerr “you’ll be left handed then”.
Turns out he was, and seemed to think my mother was some kind of seer!
This was in the mid 90s and she then went on to tell us about how back in the day, the Kerr’s/Carr’s in the borders being left handed and their staircases going the wrong way and that this helped them in battles.
Not sure how true, but a good story and impressed the Americans lol.

Trump’s just annoyed that the plan for the UK to become the 51st state has been scuppered by Brexit real politik.

Never mind, 19th hole is almost as good.

Ronnie Anderson at 2:22

It doesn’t surprise me that the war graves commission didn’t want to know about any sort of official memorial cemetary at St Valery.
The evacuation through Dunkirk was an unmitigated disaster for Britain
although to get 300,000 men out out was a miracle.

To get so many out has always been portrayed as a great victory but the overall picture the foray into Europe was an unmitigated military disaster.

To have an official war grave at St Valery would have meant recognising failure and they couldn’t countenance that. After all it was only jocks who Wellington characterised as expendable.

Alba 46 says:

About time the 51st Highland division story came out.

They held the Germans just long enough for “The Dunkirk miracle” to happen,before running out of ammo, and being surrounded by 3 sides,sea on the other, by German troops and panzers they had no option but to surrender.

My dad was only 16 years old, having lied about his age, he joined up at 15 years old. So I know very well what happened, they were sacrificed by Churchill to allow as many English troops to evacuate as possible.

However,my dad escaped after capture, he was recaptured and escaped many times and had many adventures in France, Spain and North Africa. Most were unfortunately taken back to German work factories.

He got the military medal, from the King at Buckingham palace.
Was a PTI for a while after that, and when the war was in late stages he ended up being a translator in French
for the American’s as he had self learned fluent French during his adventures.

He always said Churchill had a lot to answer for. I look forward to the ch4 documentary to see if some truths are told.

Great toon as usual Chris. Spot on.

Big fearty Trump skitters off surrounded by his many bodyguards, LOL.

link to youtube.com

The man that had the cheek to say that John McCain wasn’t a war hero.

link to newyorker.com

Trump the cowardly draft dodger. Money talks right enough.

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@ robert peffers

Hi robert , but the clan system wasnt just the highlands and islands.

At one point it was all over scotland before retreating to the highlands and islands so that by the mid 18 th century that was all that remained.

For example the macdowalls are a well known clan from galloway.

link to rampantscotland.com

Again , i think your scottish historical perspective is based mainly on pro teutonic and post 14th century rather than the older and larger celtic systems which are the bedrock for much of scotland as we know it.

And also the link to one of paul kavanghs excellent articles about gaidhlig once being spoken in the borders.

link to newsnet.scot

Where the language was once spoken , so did the culture including the clan system prevail and it wasnt till the introduction of the norman french feudal system that ended this in parts of scotland post 12th century

Hi schrodingers cat.

Sorry if you are mistaking me but im not saying there is.

What im saying is robert largely ignores the older celtic traditions and re brands scottish history in a more teutonic fashion for example giving his version of where corrie fisted comes from which i dont agree with , and saying there was no clan system outside the western highlands which isnt true.

His very own south east of scotland was conquered by gaelic clans which is why it became a part of scotland , and wouldnt be part of scotland today if the likes of kenneth macalpin hasnt invaded south east scotland 6 times and burned dunbar to the ground.

The great battle at carham entrenched the south east borders as part of gaelic scotland , hence many of the gaelic place names survive today and symeon of durham recorded great gaelic lords ruling as far as the tyne in the late 11th century.

No offence was certainly intended by saying robert is very pro teutonic in his historical opinion of scotland , im simply offering an alternative to what he is saying.

@thomas

our understanding of early history in these islands in currently undergoing a complete overhaul. mainly due to genetic testing.

gaelic is now proposed to be the bronze age language of ireland, scotland, wales, england, france, portugal and galicia.

the linga franca of the tin trade.

with the advent of iron, influences from greece and turkey were responsable for the change from q celtic to p celtic in the area we call today france.

from 500bc onwards, tribes of gauls and belgians invaded britain, bringing p celtic and early germanic belgian to these islands. This early germanic language was confined mainly in the southeast but also into the lowlands of scotland.

see dunfries, river Aa, torwald etc. in irish and scots early manuscripts they are refered to as belg, (firbolg) and laterly as saxobrit
cf, Selgovae with Belgovae

this very early germanic introduction to lowland scotland is possibly an early precursor of what we now recognise as scots(lallans)

The Scottish first minister led Scotland’s largest ever LGBT event in Glasgow this afternoon. Leaves me wondering where was oor Ruthie when all this was happening? Trump Turnberry perhaps?

@ greannach

Thanks for that pal.

I think a lot of the problem was the norman french takeover in the lowlands circa 12th century during the davidian revolution , which resulted in kings like william the lion becoming more french than the french , then the subsequent language change to english 14th century onwards by the nobility and administration led to gaelic being marginalised.

By the reformation a pro english group came to power in edinburgh intent on preparing scotland for union ,the persecution of the gaidhlig language and culture intensified and the destruction of much of scottish historical records by both the english and anglified scots left us with the confusion and ignorance we have today , and the two nation myth of scotland.

The arrogant expression of Trump in that cartoon is a masterpiece!

New poll tomorrow for the Observer has the Tories dropping 6% and UKIP rising 5%. Nobody could have seen that coming LOL.

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Abulhaq says:
14 July, 2018 at 9:13 am
“Nicola Sturgeon rather than having a day out in Glasgow might have shown some diplomatic, statesmanlike nous by meeting the guy”

The “guy” did not come to Scotland in official business, but rather to enjoy himself. The guy came to play golf in his property, not to be bothered with more official visits. So let him play golf and amuse himself.

Now, the question really for me is what on earth Mundell was doing tagging along. He is just an MP. He is not a member of the Government of Scotland. Was he invited to play golf and make a fool of himself? was he sent by her English masters to finish the “negotiation” that clearly May didn’t finish? or rather he invited himself to make trump feel “welcome” and give his own Britnat interpretation of current Scotland’s business?

Isn’t fascinating that none of the English tory imperial masters felt in a position of strength to come up here, strut their stuff in our country and continue the back-licking of the POtUS?

long post for a warm lazy sat evening

thomas says:

What im saying is robert largely ignores the older celtic traditions and re brands scottish history in a more teutonic fashion
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no, he merely points to the time period in history which he is interested in, where such terms were in use. i find no fault in the points he made. Culturally and genetically, Robert is probably as “celtic” as any highlander. so are most englishmen btw

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for example giving his version of where corrie fisted comes from which i dont agree with ,
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i know this as corrieducht and the word ducht (sp) is the same word the americans use when they say, put your “dooks up”
it is of germanic (anglo saxon/belg) origin

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and saying there was no clan system outside the western highlands which isnt true.
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I agree with this. the clan system (clann=children) is a tribal/familiar/pateral/matriarchal system. It was once the basis for society across the whole of europe. it isnt a highland invention, it was the result of social evolution across the world.

as such, it was as much an anglosaxon lowlands cultural meme as it was a highland gaelic one. the difference being that due to scotlands isolation and remoteness, this type of society endured much longer here, and in some parts (macphees and other tinkers) still endures today.

eg, anglosaxon (scots/lallans) communities in lowland scotland in the 5th,6th,7th,8th centuries were just as clannish as highlanders, feasting halls, champions portions etc, even their ornamentation is now termed celtic.

when comparing these same groups of people in the 15th 16th and 17th century to those in the south of england, they may speak different dialects of the same germanic language, but socially and culturally they are much more like the highland clans than they are londoners.

isolation, remoteness and living in close proximity to the gaelic highland clans meant they missed out on romanisation, normanisation etc, hence their continued attachment to a clan like society.
btw, the border reivers were very successful clans

as to gaelic in the lowlands, as i have pointed out, from 2500-500bc, gaelic was the language of all britain. after the ironage invasion in 500bc, p celtic (gaulish) and germanic (belg) were introduced.

by 1st century AD when the romans arrived, the southwest of scotland spoke cumbric (belg areas probably spoke a hybrid germanogaulish) but brythonic and cumbric, while being P celtic languages) are far closer to irish and scots gaelic than they are to gaulish

60% gaulish words are cognate with german
40% cumbric/brithonic words are cognate with german
30% of gaelic words are cognate with german

thats how we know that gaelic split from a common language shared with german about 2000bc and gaulish about 1000 bc. and that P celtic influence in britain is a much later event.

subsequently, gaelic influence in lowland scotland has ebbed and flowed throughout the centuries, ayrshire and galloway much influenced by irish settlement. kenneth macalpine’s endevours you mentioned also influenced the retention/reintroduction etc of gaelic.

malcolm canmore’s marriage to queen margaret probably cemented these germanic (lallans/anglosaxon) speaking peoples into the scots identity.

history isnt a contact sport, but politics is, gaelic and lallans are dying, even the saltire is removed as a brand and denigrated as a separatist symbol by scots unionists.

People like Robert Peffers, and yourself Thomas,are fighting for the continuation of our varied culture, a deliberately neglected culture, scotland has and has always had a varied culture. all strands should be cherished.

lallans and gaelic are not dying languages and cultures, they are exterminated languages and cultures.

there is a difference

Les Wilson @ 16:20:

They held the Germans just long enough for “The Dunkirk miracle” to happen

[…]

they were sacrificed by Churchill to allow as many English troops to evacuate as possible.

Sorry Les, I don’t know what your dad told you, but you’re repeating a confusion that has appeared here before.

There were two actions happening at the time of Dunkirk. The first was the perimeter defence of Dunkirk (and incidentally to that, another “last-ditch” defence, this time of Calais, which could not be withdrawn). These troops were necessarily sacrificed in order to make the withdrawal possible, and knew very well of what they were asked. An unpleasant but necessary military fact of life.

These actions of the BEF did not involve the 51st (Highland) Division, as some unfortunately seem to persist in believing.

The second action was that of the Highland Division, an entirely different situation. The Division was under the command of the French Army, and had originally been part of the infantry support of the Maginot Line around the Hackenberg Fortress. Once the panzers broke through to the west of the Maginot defences, the French Army pulled troops back to cover the breach, including the HD. They were in action in defending the Somme and were pushed back with the French.

Lines-of-communication troops, which included parts of the newly-landed 52nd (Lowland) Division, were withdrawn back to ports such as Dieppe and Le Havre, due to the imminent danger of being cut off. The HD could have done the same, but Churchill ordered it to remain with the French, because he feared that a withdrawal would be further demoralising for the already-demoralised French and give them an excuse to capitulate. So the HD were eventually driven back, still under French command, to the coast much further south (and nowhere near) Dunkirk, where the shoreline is predominantly high cliffs rather than sandy beaches.

With panzers and field artillery eventually dominating all the high ground, no ship could safely enter the harbour of St.Valery and the HD were trapped with nowhere to go and no relief possible.

So can we please once-and-for-all bin this “brave defenders of Dunkirk” myth. There were brave defenders of Dunkirk, and thst mustn’t be forgotten either. But it most certainly wasn’t the HD.

As for the upcoming TV programme, what that is actually about we’ll just have to wait and see. From past experience, the HD might not get even a mention, or only a passing one.

Lenny Hartley‘s reference is a valuable summary of the entire HD experience in 1940, and well worth a read.

Incidentally, if any of you care to visit the Hackenberg Fortress, which is near Thionville by the border with Luxembourg and eminently worth a visit, in the museum there, among all the other exhibits, is a mannequin dressed in an HD uniform. So the French there haven’t forgotten us either.

Trump is a cunt

ABULHAQ Given your name why dont you apply for a visa here

uk.usembassy.gov/embassy-consulates/edinburgh/us-citizen-services/

Mind come back & let us know how U got on lol.

I see Nicola’s Twitter page is a cauldron of hate from our Unionist friends A gem from the Blue Sea of Ibrox…presumably pastor at his local church because no doubt that is exactly what Jesus would have typed.

What I have noticed with sturgeon she happily goes to every other religion but the Protestant one and that don’t need to be the OO just Protestants in general and the daft cunt talked about equality for everyone in Scotland fucking muppet needs to look at her constituency

That is relatively mild compared to some of the others. No doubt JK’s staff are working overtime filing this lot in their folder.

abulhack

Is it Rock? Colin Alexander? Either way he is a wee yoony troll for all to see.

@ ronnie anderson – welks! 🙂

Croopenstein 7.31

Abulhaq appears to be the same.

Not sure why people are getting in a right fankle about who should meet Trump. He’s been here several times before, it’s not his first visit.
He’s met The First Minister before, Alex before her and had plenty of discussions with MSP’s. Though oddly never needed a mad cavalcade before.

That fucking arsehole Obama was here too if anyone remembers. A round of golf, a statement that Scotland should not seek independence (he was very much against it) and then a jaunt over to Estonia – There to make a proclamation praising a small nation’s independence on its anniversary and how successful small independent nations were and it’s such a great thing being independent, everyone should try it (he is all for it) Except Scotland though, Scotland can go fuck itself.

Quite frankly, I have heehaw regard for any of the retarded fuckwit American Presidents who come here. They can holiday and golf all they want. But once you’ve met one and realised he’s a retarded fuckwit you’re not in a hurry to meet him again. No-one from Scotland’s Parliament who has met him previously was in a tearing rush to waste time on him.
Why would they? Has anyone actually listened to his previous statements to Scotland’s elected politicians? Away and dig them out. Quite frankly The First Minister is acting in the height of diplomacy, for the simple fact there was no official statement telling him to get himself hunted.

@ Macart – aw shucks 🙂

Did anyone else hear that wee slice of snideyness on Shereen’s show this morning?

Twas Tom Harris along with the other guests and they were discussing Trump, the demos etc. Other male guest said something about how he’d probably be joining the demos if he was younger (no idea what age he is) and later, Harris said he’d also have participated ‘if younger’. Shereen stepped in, asking ‘what is this about age? what’s that got to do with it?’ whereupon the guest who wasn’t Harris referred to David Mamet and quoted him, saying ‘if you don’t protest before you’re 30 you don’t have a heart…if you protest after you’re 30 you don’t have a brain.’ Cue much laughter from all present…

We’ve discussed this programme before right here and there have been suggestions that Shereen’s show is more-or-less ‘scripted’. I’m wondering if that wee exchange this morning is a reaction to the very obvious prevalence of older citizens on, e.g. the AUOB marches?

ronnie anderson says:
14 July, 2018 at 7:32 pm

“ABULHAQ Given your name why dont you apply for a visa here”

Hypocrites complaining about President Trump being racist, what do you have to say about ronnie anderson’s comment?

lumilumi says:
14 July, 2018 at 8:41 pm

“After Trump and Putin said they want to have a f2f meeting in Helsinki, Finland, most of ordinary Finns go ‘oh shit, we don’t want either of them here’”

100% populist fake news.

Have you got any opinion poll supporting this?

What is wrong with Presidents Trump and Putin trying to achieve better relations between their countries and in the wider world?

The neocons and Scotland’s English masters obviously don’t want that.

Interesting to see so many Scottish independence supporters on the same side as Saint Theresa and the neocons.

Ronnie anderson. No, he might get a cage.

Pacman.maybe its because they didnt want to privatise our NHS
or sell us chlorinated chicken.

I wonder if we clubbed together and bought some ‘Immodium’, it might just help Rock (and Abulhaq)?

A bit of topic but i had a rather disheartening exoerience
today and then an hour later a more uplifting one and all to do with independence in a small town in the middle of the limousin france(eymoutier).I was working at a car boot/market and was speaking to two couples(scottish)who have holiday homes in the town and the subject got round to independence.The two woman were unbelievably hostile towards nicola sturgeon and therefore independence the two guys were very quiet.Although i live in France i am a memeber of the SNP and made it clear i would be backing her decisions.I also said if i had known then what a i know now i would have stayed in Scotland.I would also never move back to the UK as things one of the woman seemed to be anti eu also.There was a defenite cooling of the conversation after that and they moved on.
It left me on a bit of a downer so my daughter and boyfriend turned up and i went for a walk.I then bumped into a couple a scottish guy and his wife who was northern Irish and they were all for independence.We had a good chat about various aspect of the independence movement,economy,history ect and it lifted the spirits no end.Its very clear we are fighting over 10-15% of the population as both sides are very deeply entrenched and are not for changing.
It was a bit sqtrange as i have lived in France for nearly ten years and have only met Scottish people at this particular market and the majority of woman have been very hostile re independence and the guys very quiet.

Ian. Any scots indy supporter would be shouting it from the rooftops to a fellow nationalist. These ‘quiet’ guys are obviously castrated follow the unionist wife sorts.

Ian. And it will be interesting to see after brexit if these union loving wives will find it so easy to go to french car boot sales after brexit.

In..should be ian. Apologies.

@ Rock, 9.22pm 14.7.2018

Huh?

You know nothing about Finnish history or our present politics or mindset, so do not patronisingly tell us what’s what. Just pipe down, aye.

Also,
“What is wrong with Presidents Trump and Putin trying to achieve better relations between their countries and in the wider world?”

Let me tell you something. We have a fucking 1000 mile fucking land border with Russia. I find all the Brit scare stories about big bad Russia laughable. You have no idea. That’s why tablod press can whip up all kinds of frenzy, to hide domestic problems.

Anyway, back in the late 1930s Hitler and Stalin divvied up the “buffer states”. My country was supposed to be for the Soviet Union (Russia), only, they couldn’t take it, thanks to those pesky Finns who defended their own independent country.

Do you see why a Finn might still feel a bit wary when two fascist superpower leaders meet in my country. Not just any superpower leaders but these particular ones. One is wily, essentially a dictator, basing his power in nostalgia, popularism, nationalism, and pseudo-democracy; and the other one is the same, except stupid.

@lumilumi

Well said, you put him in his place, he’s clueless at the best of times, just ignore his ignorance.

lumilumi @ 11:21 pm

Funny and scary at the same time

ken500

Your obvious love of Putin has clouded your judgement on most other things/. As for defence spending some will be based on perceived threat either internally or externally.

Please stop telling us how many people were killed in WW2 in the Soviet Union . We know the human sacrifice of individuals and the extreme measures the soviets put in place to ensure victory. We know Stalin murdered millions of his own people and had a peace pact with the Nazis.
Putin and Trump are dangerous but they fear China more.

It wouldn’t matter if Nicola had met with him, anyway. He’s only got eyes for one man.

link to youtube.com

Bottom line is that Trump, the most powerful person in the world, is a TOTAL IGNORAMUS. So how do we all get round this?

TAKE NOTE FOLKS. He knows nought about history: And he knows nought about geography (hence not knowing where and whom he is bombing for whatever reason).

He knows nought about ANYTHING at all. Seemingly he is incapable of reading in fact. Aspergers? Whatever the case God give me strength.

His eyes are on making a financial deal and on rooting out beautiful women. Grab their you know whats. Twenty years of ruling the roost over the Miss Universe pageants. The pageants included Miss USA and Miss Teen USA. Say no more.

Here we have it. An absolute MORON is now ruling the world.

He has no compassion for the suffering or the dispossessed, even although his ancestry (four grandparents and his mother) and two of his three wives came from elsewhere. He’s a blinkered bl**dy moron.

Mrs May leader at Westminster is now on her knees to him (and continues to hold his VERY WEE hand). The erseh*le. Begging him. Please Donald give us your chlorinated chicken, beef full of hormones and destroy our NHS. Please Donald. Do it. Tell us how to cage children too. Use aluminium foil? Cheap or what?

So what do we do now folks?

GET OUT ASAP.

If you voted NO before do your homework and help us to get out of this.

PLEASE.

Maybe the nasty man will putt by playing Mundell like SO:
link to youtube.com

Just like the purple beastie.

Golf, croquet?

Just to say, I went to the demo in Edinburgh. Thoroughly enjoyed it. The other thing I enjoyed was reading that whenever his Trumpness is on the phone to Theresa, they can’t discuss anything serious as he spends all his time moaning about Nicola Sturgeon.

Big coverage in the Guardian ‘ close to ten thousand people” marched agin’ Trump in Edinburgh – I’m sure there was another march on another day which had somewhat greater numbers which the Guardian didn’t bother covering.

I wonder what Trump thought of the Sec. of State Against Scotland.

It should be remembered that it was actually Jack McConnell that had a “cosy” relationship with Donald Trump which Alex Salmond inherited. That didn’t last long.

Keep saying it. Trump is a confidence trickster. He is a chameleon who can change his colour in a flash. He can be blunt and disorientating to suddenly become mellow, or disarming and affable then suddenly ruthless when it comes to the take down. He is the epitome of a wheeler dealer who belongs in a used car lot or an estate agents, but somehow he has scammed his way into the job of US President.

I am absolutely no fan whatsoever of Hillary Clinton, but nobody has summed Trump up more succinctly than she did when she Tweeted that you shouldn’t give the Nuclear red button to somebody you can bait on Twitter.

Trump is popular with the US rednecks who buy into his Farage style populism and appeal to the more bass human instincts of fear, hatred and mistrust. Trump needs an enemy or his modus operandi simply doesn’t work. Without creating a bad guy, he has no leverage. He is a living caricature of Orwell’s Big Brother Organisation in 1984, – there is always an enemy, but it doesn’t matter who the enemy is, or even if they are real. It is a necessary component for mass control of the people.

@ahundredthidiot

I cannot find the actual wording as most reports of Liam Fox select bits.

I heard a clip in which he described Trump as the “leader of the western world”.

I snorted at that one. Leaders who harangue, berate and tell lies and then deny they said them do not lead for long.

I think those big inflatable Trump babies are ridiculous, so does my wife, and neither of us know what they’re supposed to mean. And if I was a protest attending type that would have put me off going. They’re just childish to anyone who doesn’t understand their significance, and that’s me and persumably a lot of other people since generally I’m politically aware.

Whether I’m right or wrong, and Trump in himself is largely an irrelevance to getting a YES vote, it’s a message WE need to keep in mind – themes, tropes, memes whatever, are all very well to those in the know, the few thousands, but others take them at face value only. Hamish for instance is great, he’s staring at me as I’m typing this wondering what I’m on about noo, but nobody outside of Wings would understand why!

Jings, see how easy it is to give the wrong idea. In the context of Chris Cairns’s cartoon, Hamish is perfect along with John Bull, I think everyone would get the significance easily, and a picture as they say tells a thousand words.

But stuck on my desk?

I need another cuppa tea.